All-22: When Foles Holds On To the Ball

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Asked earlier this week why the Eagles’ passing game stalled in the second half against Dallas, Chip Kelly pointed to two factors – neither of which had anything to do with Nick Foles.

“They did a decent job generating the pass rush on a couple things, and there were a few times down the field where we just couldn’t get off of some jams,” Kelly said. “It was a combination of the two things.”


Kelly has not hesitated to criticize Foles in the past - when warranted. After the Vikings game, for example, he labeled the quarterback's play inconsistent.

So was he protecting his quarterback here, or did he really feel like the breakdowns had more to do with protections and the receivers?

Based on the tape, it's the latter. On most occasions when Foles held on to the ball, he didn't have anywhere to go with it. For examples, let's go to the All-22.

In the second quarter, the Eagles faced a 3rd-and-5 from their own 21. Picking it up mid-play, you can see no one is open.

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The Cowboys are in man coverage and have two help defenders as well. Because the Eagles only need 5 yards for a first down, Foles sees an opening and decides to take off.

"Always when you can't make the throw on time, for whatever reason, whether guys are not open or they have done a good job on defense, you want to try to scramble if you can," said offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur. "If you can't get anything done with your feet, then throw it away. And I think he's displayed the ability to do both."

Here's the opening from the other angle.

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The problem was the two defenders began to squeeze the opening, and Foles tried to do too much. He actually stopped going forward, turned around and tried to improvise.

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In the above frame, his body is actually facing the opposite end zone.

Foles has been fantastic this season at taking care of the football, but plays like the one above can often result in turnovers. The better move would have been to go with the initial scramble, and if he had to slide before the first-down marker, so be it.

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We've written a lot about the Eagles' split-zone play where the tight end moves across the formation and sift-blocks the backside defender. That's what this play looks like initially.

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But it's actually a play-action pass. That means James Casey has to block defensive end Jarius Wynn one-on-one in protection.

Foles initially has a clean pocket, but Casey (who drew a tough assignment) gets beat.

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The Cowboys were once again in man coverage with a single high safety. This is probably one where Foles could have given one of his receivers a shot, as he did at other points in the game. He had DeSean Jackson running a deep crosser, Brent Celek angling towards the sideline and Riley Cooper on the go-route. LeSean McCoy had some room in the flat too.

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Initially, it looked like Foles wanted to go to Cooper, but there was some contact from the defensive back. As Derek Sarley of Philly.com pointed out, the refs allowed quite a bit of clutching and grabbing downfield in this one.

"Sometimes there was a guy open, he probably could have gotten it out of his hand a little quicker," Kelly said. "There were some other times where he's waiting for guys to get open and they didn't come out of the jam."

***

Sometimes, you have to give the other team credit or chock things up to bad luck. That was the case on the first play of the third quarter. This was one that Kelly referred to earlier in the week. The Eagles use a play-fake, while the Cowboys ran a twist up front. DeMarcus Ware crashes inside, while the linebacker loops around the edge.

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McCoy is responsible for the linebacker, but he runs right into Ware, which frees up the rusher.

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This play falls into the "missed opportunity" category because Foles had a couple guys open - most notably Celek, who had all kinds of room in front of him.

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Foles, however, didn't have much of a shot.

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***

There's not a whole lot to show from the final two sacks. One was just a breakdown in protection. Lane Johnson got beat on a twist, and even though Foles shook off the initial pressure, Jason Peters got beat too from the other side.

And NBC did a good job of explaining the final sack. Celek got blocked into McCoy, and Foles had nowhere to go with the ball, so he slid in-bounds to keep the clock rolling.

The Saints come into the game fourth in the league in adjusted sack rate and overall sacks (49).

The Eagles certainly have some things they can clean up, but the main issue last week on plays where Foles held the ball was that guys weren't open. His play was certainly choppy at times, and there were some breakdowns in protection up front, but nothing that screamed "red flag" going into the postseason.

The other factor here is how Foles is being coached. With an average yards-per-attempt of 9.12 (tops in the league), he has taken plenty of shots downfield. But from Day One, Kelly and the coaching staff have stressed the importance of avoiding turnovers and giving the offense a chance.

As Kelly said: "Obviously you would rather take a sack than an interception. He does a good job of protecting the football."

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  • Joe from Easton

    #7, Van Buren? I believe you two need only read the last sentence…

    “As Kelly said: ‘Obviously you would rather take a sack than an interception. He does a good job of protecting the football.’”

    Sacks are better than picks.

    • Richard Colton

      You won’t see them comment on a story like this. It offends their worldview. Here, I’ll do it for them.

      Foles held the ball too long because opposing defensive coordinators have finally gotten some “tape” and figured him out. Any other QB would have been just as successful as Foles in this system (Vick and Kap would have been more successful! chimed in BBaaS). The only way to turn this thing around is to tank the playoffs and trade Foles so we can draft Blake Bortles.

      • anon

        You guys ran all the vick lovers out and now you miss them, or is it just harder to troll when everyone says the same thing. Sometimes if you don’t have anything to say it’s better not to say anything at all. Happy New Year.

        • Richard Colton

          do you think we did? I hope you’re right.

          • anon

            why if you’re just going to parrot their comments anyway?

          • theycallmerob

            anon, there have been plenty of vick-supporters who made great arguments for him playing, even up to his injury. No one saw this version of Foles coming (except I guess Geagle).
            Most of the attacks aren’t against Vick himself, but the poor logic and entirely subjective speculation they continue to spout by implying that, because Foles did so well this year, Vick would have done even better. “What if” pretty much sums up Vick’s entire career.

          • cliff henny

            johnny g doesnt need your help, he’s pretty happy giving hiself pats on the back over ‘THE RAINMAKER’. credit where credit is due, he was dead on. kendricks is coming around…crisps, if curry turns into pro bowler, he’ll shut down this site.

          • Richard Colton

            or if Casey somehow catches 50 passes next year…

          • EaglePete

            exactly, they even convinced me he was the best option to start and I absolutely was disgusted we ever signed him because of exactly what happened. Wasting time starting him for several years of mediocrity instead of rebuilding. Its always about the play, not the man. Sometimes that gets twisted because there are bigot fans, similar to the Obama bashing. Too easy to paint the broad brush.

          • Maggie

            I like Vick myself. He screwed up, took his lumps, and came back a better man. I think the FO got caught between pressure from the League, who wanted to show their magnanimity and their own greed. Vick sells tickets, and is an athletic marvel. What if the experiment worked?

          • #7

            It ain’t over yet

          • nicksaenz1

            It is. Remember when he lost his job to a guy you thought was a career backup? He’ll go start somewhere like MIN or JAX, but it’s over.

          • #7

            LOL are you serious? You thought Foles was a franchise QB? No one on here did including yourself, and he’s still not a franchise QB. Vick ain’t done, and don’t be surprised if Vick is back here as the #2 and Foles gets benched. It’s possible.

            2014. DCs catch up to every player, Vick, Foles, everybody. Can Nick rise above that? I have my doubts. He already can’t put a team on his shoulders, something Vick has done. If he does, great, but I can’t see it.

          • nicksaenz1

            I’ve said from day 1 he’s more than a backup and deserved to start over Vick to see what he’s got since we all knew Vick would get hurt. We all know what happened. How isn’t he a franchise QB? Because you live in denial and don’t think so or because he wasn’t a first round pick? I hope Vick is back next year. Best backup in the league. And Foles definitely isn’t getting benched for him. That’s hilarious. DC’s need to catch up to Chip’s offense. Kid has 16 career starts, he’s got PLENTY of time to grow. Locker room loves him. All he needs.

          • #7

            You wanted Foles because you wanted anyone but Vick to start. You can be a man now and say it. Your boy has earned it

          • nicksaenz1

            I thought Foles was better from what I saw last year. That simple.

          • #7

            Easy to say that now. Congrats

          • nicksaenz1

            It wasn’t that hard for me to say then. Now it’s just proven.

          • #7

            Ball bounces your way sometimes. All good

          • nicksaenz1

            We had countless discussions (arguments) about the two QBs all through spring and camp. I ate my crow when Vick won the job. Was the first person to do so.

          • #7

            I’ll give you that. But you were all over those “draft a QB” boards. Cmon man

          • nicksaenz1

            I won’t act like I didn’t chime in. But I’ve never not been on the Foles train. Was certainly not happy after the Dallas debacle.

          • #7

            All good man. I knew my memory was correct lol. Jk

          • nicksaenz1

            Lol. All Foles all day. We all watch the NFL. The Nick Foles League, that is. You should be ecstatic you get to watch greatness and records being shattered. Now we just gotta win the SB. Don’t think we’re far off.

          • #7

            You can do that. i don’t want to get my hopes up. Foles is playing well, but I’m not convinced. I don’t care about stats and often look past them. Too many negatives that I see man

          • nicksaenz1

            I’m not saying he’s perfect man. He’s got things to work on, like every QB in the league, but how can you not be encouraged? I’d love to know, outside of not having the league’s strongest arm and not being the fastest QB in the league, is he really lacking?

          • #7

            If you’re not P.Manning you’ve got to be able to extend plays…and not to just run, although that would be GREAT for this offense, at least be able to get outside of the pocket to throw it away or have someone uncover.

            Foles does well with a clean pocket, but so does the majority of NFL QBs. IMO, a QB has to have something dynamic about them.

            Vick – Arm and Legs
            Rodgers – arm and legs
            Newton – arm and legs
            Cutler – arm and legs
            Manning – A damn HC on the field smh

            Foles? Does he have a quick release? No. Can he extend plays? No. The thing that Foles DOES have is a good feel for the game which I like and he can climb the pocket beautifully. Can stand tough and take the hits. He’s tough. Is he SPECIAL? I say no, but could be wrong.

            Bro I’m on the EAGLES train, not the FOles train. If he improves, great, but in the playoffs, especially in the last 10 years or so, QBs that have won the SB has done something exceptionally well and I don’t see that with Foles.

            What I see is Chippah getting our weapons out in space and is a MASTER it looks like at creating great matchups, which I’ve said from OTAs that we had major talent on offense to make the POs and it would be on the D to get us there and I was 100% right. Doesn’t matter how many points you score if you can’t get stops. I think that teams would fear our offense more with Vick at the helm, but had the fluke injury and it cost him. Kudos to Foles for what he’s done, but he has the chance to make a statement on Saturday

          • LeQuan Glover

            And when he makes that statement, will you finally get on the Foles train? You don’t think reading plays and putting your receivers in a position to succeed is special? Tom Brady equally doesn’t have any “athletic” traits to him, but look at what he’s done. Vick has struggled throughout his career at adjusting to what the defense is doing and making guys better.

            Case in point: Cooper looks like a #2 with Foles, with Vick, he looked like a 4th receiver.

          • #7

            Last I remember you were a prominent participant in the “which QB should we draft” talks on here early in the season. No?

          • nicksaenz1

            Negative.

          • #7

            Be a man! Man up! I knew I should have saved those comments lol. Not my style though

          • nicksaenz1

            I’m not a huge college football fan, so I don’t have too much to contribute to the draft talk. I’m not like some of the others on here who religiously watch the draft stuff and follow the players cut-ups.

          • #7

            Yep me neither

          • Joe from Easton

            Hmm 3-5 to 10-6? I’d say that’s carrying a team to some W’s considering he set some records along with that winning pct this year.

          • #7

            Now see that what I’m talking about. McCoy and the D did this. Not Foles. McCoy would be MVP if Manning didn’t have 55 TDs

            Foles ain’t carried anything. He’s at 16 starts. Cmon man

          • Joe from Easton

            McCoy was on the team when we were 3-5 buddy. I agree that the D has stepped up, but we are averaging more points a game with Foles than prior too. We’re also averaging less turnovers on offense. You can make different hypotheses all you want, but the fact is without Foles playing significant snaps we are 1-4 and with him we are 9-2. That’s not an opinion, conjecture, or biased. It’s a fact.

          • #7

            The points were coming regardless. Chip is coaching the hel out of these guys. It’s not just all Foles like you try to force it to be

          • Joe from Easton

            I know it’s not all Foles, but you act like it’s not Foles at all and that any QB can do what he’s doing. The fact is Foles efficient style mixed with Kelly’s ability to get people in space makes for a dynamic offense. If our QB was not efficient we would not be in the playoffs. Vick is not efficient. Cutler wouldn’t have taken this team to the playoffs in my book. Neither would Stafford or probably Romo. We need EFFICIENCY out of the QB.

          • #7

            Agree to disagree

          • Joe from Easton

            So you’d prefer a high risk / high reward player in this system?

          • #7

            Not high risk high reward. Playmaker. Period. Ran this offense with ease. One thing you fail to mention is how important chemistry is and I fully believe that Foles would have struggled early too. The ENTIRE TEAM did early, not just the QB, but you’re so single minded that you cannot see other parts of the team and how they were performing. You focused on Vick because you didn’t want him starting the in first place and he was super critiqued on here and probably on the blog you came from. But now, NOBODY except for you Folsies can say anything about him.

            It’s a joke. He’s not above criticism. You people are setting yourselves up for heartbreak

          • #7

            He made Foles better. And what about that thing called leadership? I guess that doesn’t mean anything to you

          • Richard Colton

            maybe you noticed the above article that, you know, directly refutes the Van Buren troll post from last week? i.e. trade Foles for a draft pick so we can get a mobile QB. But hey, if you’re going to hop on and spout nonsense, stick around for your medicine. fair is fair.

        • cliff henny

          not true at all. i for one supported vick, and was pretty vocal before and after dallas game that foles’ ceiling was career good backup. also, know jeffrey rice was on simialr page. it’s that we are eagles fans first, and willing to accept that nfl changes quickly.

          • anon

            We’re on the same page. i like Vick I frankly think if you could give Foles 1/10th of Vicks athletic ability or Vick Foles’s intelligence then we’d have the best QB for the system. It’d be interesting if Vick leaves if we pick up a late round Geno Smith type project. Given the way we run our camp / practices backups can actually get some reps.

          • theycallmerob

            I think that project is currently Barkley. Chip always saw him as a QB in the same mold as Foles; that is, intelligent enough to trade-off the physical limitations. He clearly wasn’t NFL ready (I imagine just recently was when he fully recovered from his injury), and obviously he was put into terrible situation in the time he did see. He is basically the definition of a developmental prospect.
            With so many other needs on both sides, I would feel upset using any draft pick on a QB, at least this year. IMO, nothing lower than a 5th. And there is a slight chance Vick re-signs.

          • Maggie

            Agree, and besides, I don’t much follow college game, but I do read about the “great” quarterbacks that might be coming out and how this or that one is all ready for the NFL. Problem is that the names change or yoyo up and down the list from time to time.

          • cliff henny

            tell ya what, looking at romo’s and cutler’s bs contracts, i’m taking qbs every draft. those guys are why you need to develope talent. both got overpaid because of shortsighted coaching and gms.
            .
            yeah, joked before if we could frankenstein foles/vick, the best of each is 1st ballot HOF, worst of each would be d3 bench warmer.

        • theycallmerob

          I was always under the impression that even if Vick played well, next year would have the same issues.
          There were some anti-Vick folks, but most of us just wanted good QB play. Foles was simply an unknown, and whaddyaknow- he did great. Otherwise, we were all looking to the draft.

          • #7

            ;)

          • theycallmerob

            Yea, vicks name came up. Figures you show

          • #7

            Since when have I missed an all-22?

          • #7

            About time you admitted you were looking forward to the draft. Just couldn’t do it for me. All good though

          • theycallmerob

            Until foles dominated. Guess you missed the last 10 games

        • #7

          I don’t recall being ran off ;)

      • #7

        Dude you wanted to tank the season from the start because Vick was still on the team and Foles wasn’t handed the job, and you thought Foles should be “handed” the job without earning it, and you wanted Mariota. Oh, and was glad that Vick got hurt. Whew! Long list isn’t it? And now you’re a Folesie.

        So you probably want to chill with your crazy, flip floppin statements. Yound sound like a “freakin” idiot straight up. You’re the only one publicly wishing for injury on here

      • Maggie

        If the name adfasdeferetc hurts your eyes, I’m not sure how you manage to even type Bortles. ;-] Sorry, shouldn’t diss a person’s parents’ name.

    • Adam

      They show up for a day or two after the game then you don’t see them for the rest of the week.

      • #7

        What’s up Adam

    • theycallmerob

      they don’t read, just whine

    • #7

      That’s funny. Even the Folesies can see it. JofreyRice called it and he doesn’t like Vick or Foles or at least that was the case in the past

    • Van Buren

      YOUR ( idc you grammar Nazi) an idiot. Got your panties all in a bunch because I had a little (very obvious criticism) of your boyfriend Foles.

      Look at these examples above and tell me that a mobile QB wouldn’t have had 5 or 10 yards there. IN NO WAY WAS I SAYING FOLES WAS AN INCOMPENTENT QB. In fact he is a very good decision maker. I was simply suggesting isn’t Chip Kelly’s system better suited for a mobile QB. WHile yes Nick can make all the throws, I have too often seen the eagles stall when the get to obvious passing downs. Nick cannot handle the blitz. Like he can literally not escape to save his life. Maybe the worst lateral moving QB in the league. And I am sure Chip would prefer a gain or throw away instead of a sack or intentional grounding your boy Nick cant move, i don’t understand what you don’t get,Make sure you understand the criticism next time.

      • #7

        They refuse to understand even if it’s a valid critique. These guys refuse to acknowledge any type of flaws that Foles has. I was screaming at the TV for Foles to just MOVE and TRY to throw the ball away. That is the key. Make Foles hold that ball and he’s done.

        People talk about how accurate he is and decision making, but almost all QBs in the NFL can do that when you have the best line in the league. It was very frustrating to see all the sacks taken, especially when they turn their backs on us with man coverage.

        • Joe from Easton

          “Nick cannot handle the blitz”

          Foles against the blitz – #1 in the league at 125 QBR (drew brees is second at 114 QBR).

          That’s not a “valid” critique.

      • HowboutdemIggles

        Nick moves pretty well we’ve seen him extend plays and get the ball off, and to think that any qb doesn’t get rattled when being pressured sometimes is silly, because you can start off hitting Brady he’s not going to put up the greatest numbers all the time, you get to Peyton he’s going to get happy feet, you look at two examples of the guy taking sacks when there are qbs who also take sacks. I have seen a guy like Brees turtle when he’s getting sacked, but look at the team they’re in the playoffs and Foles has put up great numbers, and has been efficient while also throwing for the most yards per completion in the league. Why are we faulting him for having an offensive line? Vick had the same line and the Eagles went 3-5 until Foles came in and played the teams on the schedule. I never thought he would be a franchise quarterback, but luckily the NFL isn’t based on what I or any other fan would think coming into his starts. 7 out of the final 8 games is a win, that’s earned him at least another two years on this squad as the starter. You think a 4.4 40 is needed, yet we have seen mostly that it’s not. Second best team in yardage, and he’s throwing to guys who can get open, and he does make guys better as he did with Cooper and Ertz. We can talk about what Vick would’ve done, but that’s all it’s been the whole time he’s been here. Foles could lead him to the championship game and you’d still talk about drafting another guy.

    • #7

      What else would Chip say? He’s too slow to escape the pocket to throw it away? DEEP DOWN, Chip wants a QB that is a THREAT to run. We’re missing that. They’re playing man coverage and turning their backs on Foles and instead of escaping and throwing the ball away, he takes sacks which are negative plays and leads to our super fast 3 and outs in the second half of games.

      I HOPE this is not the case, but we cannot overlook Rob Ryan and that defense. They are vastly improved. You always have to mention me lol. My posts must not be as stupid as you say they are since you name drop me everyday

  • Beastmode

    Weren’t there 6 out of 7 stalled drives in 2nd half? That concerns me.

    • Tom w

      Yes. Me too. But everything looks awesome to Rick h so be quiet

      • #7

        Lol

    • #7

      Foles can’t extend the play consistently, which caused a lot of those stalled drives. I was saying that Foles needs to escape the pocket not to run, because he can’t run, but to extend or throw the ball away. I didn’t think that was a scathing critique, but of course people were pissed about that SMH

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        He’s been throwing pretty well on the run. But when he can’t escape – it’s a wrap. His lack of mobility tends to be a liability in this offense.

  • addicted2mula

    Are we going to have another snow bowl Saturday?

  • southy

    In the spirit of nitpicking his otherwise fantastic play, there are times where a qb can sense he needs to get rid of the ball quickly because his protection isn’t holding up and needs to know where he has a shot at a completion, albeit a sub-optimal one. The Brees does this all the time (often getting up on his toes to sort of flick the ball) and it frustrates the hell out of a defense. In fact I’d say it’s these little things that separate the Breeses and Mannings (well, one Manning) of the world from the rest.

    In that penultimate frame it looks like Celek has been open for a while. You may ideally want to wait to get a crisp throw to him at the far hash, but in this instance Foles could still have gotten the ball out there with imperfect mechanics and still have had a positive play.

    • Harty

      Just take comfort in the fact that Foles is still a very young QB….I think he officially has 16 starts on his resume….If he is doing what he is doing now with protecting the ball, just think how much better he will be with more experience reading defenses after another season or two…..Go Birds!

      • southy

        Exactly. I think that’s where a lot of the criticism comes from: we see the potential in him to be great and know if he can step up a few parts of his game could turn into a real nightmare for defenses. This is Philly; we boo because we love.

      • Beastmode

        I know I constantly forget how young he is. 27tds and all them records is a great roofie

      • HowboutdemIggles

        Right I was on the let’s see what we have in Foles crowd, and now we see what we have, at least in this offense, so it may be about a season or two to see how he is.

    • Eagles4Life

      Absolutely agreed. I think/hope that’s something they work on this week, as Rob Ryan is known to bring the house on a blitz.

    • birdsfanindc

      That’s a great point. These QBs can also read the defense very well and change/adjust the play right before the snap. Hopefully this is a skill that Nick will develop over time.

      • southy

        I think that would require us to change the system. Chip’s approach to that is packaged option plays, which Nick has shown to run more than competently with a few hiccups here and there. What I’m talking about is more about feel in the pocket – sometimes guys will plainly get beat and a good QB can rush his throw to the right guy. Leaves the D feeling like they can’t get a stop even when they beat their man off the line.

  • Tom W

    Chip also hates sacks (just not as much as ints). I’m not just concerned about the sacks, but the grounding plays and throwaways. They are good plays (better than sacks) but we saw this is in the Vikes game too … alot of pressure w 4-5 guys because our wrs aren’t getting open unless the play is perfectly schemed or a pick play.

    Djax and Cooper can’t both be held to 3 catches for 30 yds. Either they double djax or he should be getting one one one coverage and we need to hit on that. If he is getting doubled, then your wr2 (cooper) should be able to beat man coverage atleast a handful of times. I’m not seeing it lately.

    I think that initial wow love for Cooper is waning … he blocks great and uses his body well but the kid is getting little separation on pass routes … forcing Nick to take alot of sacks.

    Avant can’t get open. and his RAC is non-existent. Great hands and great blocker but need more from that position.

    Celek has also obviously lost a step in pass routes. Love him and what he has done this year, but he is coverable in man.

    The inability of Cooper, Celek, and Avant (and non-existant wr 4) to beat straight man coverage consistently is a potential problem.

    Seems like both Cowboyz and Vikes took away the short and screen stuff and rushed 4 and 5 and got the better of our wrs/tes.

    Just demonstrates our need for 1 or 2 better wrs IMO …. If we can’t beat man coverage when they play man and single high safety on Djax then we are in trouble. The wrs from Clemson, Fla St., USC and Vandy would all work out well for us as wr2s and there is alot of speedy slot guys if Maclin doesn’t pan out after the knee.

    • Richard Colton

      don’t you feel like if the O-line can win up front, both our starting WRs will have big days?

      • Tom W

        Winning up front means little if no one is open … believe this article just pointed out that wrs weren’t getting open … if they can’t get open in 2 seconds .. and nick is waiting longer than 3 seconds …. it has nothing to do w the oline. I think the oline played generally really well against cowboyz but guys weren’t open because they were dropping 6-7 in coverage.

        • OldDocRoss

          Only the first of the examples in the article really shows people struggling to get open (it’s also the example where Foles’ response to pressure is poorest). The next couple of examples show Foles with a defender on top of him in no time at all, but if he’d had a fraction of a second longer men were open.

          It goes against everything I believe in to say anything nice about the Cowboys, but they did a good job up front in the 2nd half.

          • Tom w

            2 out of 3.

          • Tom w

            Read iggles blitz game review. Also proves my point along w chips press conference.

        • #7

          The truth.

      • theycallmerob

        too rational

        • Tom w

          And untrue. Online played well and still we had 5 sacks bc of missed pickups by rbs and tes and McCoy falling down and inability of wrs to get open.

          • Richard Colton

            Not according to Sheil and the gang. The offensive line has had a great season, but this was one of their most inconsistent games in pass protection.

            http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2013/12/30/game-review-eagles-offense-vs-dallas/

          • Tom w

            Guess I am the dumb one thing for listening to chip Kelly’s press conferences where he said he thought the oline played well and it was the wrs not getting off press and foles holding it too long. On Monday and wed.

          • Richard Colton

            That’s what happens when you make up your mind, than look for evidence to support a conclusion you’ve already reached. It’s fundamentally dishonest. The O-line had issues in passpro and a lot of those breakdowns were when the Cowboys rushed 4. If they play like they’ve played for most of the past 8 weeks, I think you’ll see a bigger day from Jackson and Cooper.

            “Those plays didn’t show the O-line getting beat once” – TomW

            * Todd Herremans and Johnson had trouble with a stunt in the third, but otherwise Herremans played a pretty clean game. Nice job in the run game – specifically on McCoy’s 7-yard run in the first and McCoy’s 16-yarder in the third. – SK

            * Johnson had some issues in protection. He allowed pressure in the second, which turned into an eventual sack (even though Foles held the ball for awhile). He got beat to the inside by George Selvie on the play where Foles fumbled in the third. – SK

          • Tom w

            Lawlor’s game review also proves my point about the oline and coverage sacks or defensive holding on the wrs.

      • Tom w

        But those plays didn’t show the online getting beat once. It was Casey McCoy and a coverage sack. Baldy and Kelly said the online played well. I’m not making this stuff up.

    • southy

      Agree with you on a lot of this. I’ve consistently said Coop has trouble getting separation because he’s not a great route runner. He fights like hell for the ball, though. Against the Boys, Avant took a short pass over the middle with space and made a truly sad attempt at a cutback/juke that left me shaking my head.

      I’ll disagree with Celek. He doesn’t have off the charts athleticism but we all saw him display some surprising speed on occasion this season. And he blocks well, which is half of a TE’s job. I think he’s above average and good enough to keep around until Ertzy steps his game up. A big upgrade at slot WR would do wonders for our consistency.

      • Tom W

        All for keeping Celek and even Avant as a wr5….for a year if need be. Just saying having too many of those type of guys who can’t beat man hurts our offense.

      • EaglePete

        yup esp on Cooper, when the O is stalling and guys are covered hes usually blanketed and doesnt seem to be getting any separation. I know thats not really fair considering it happens to them all but he just seems slow at times. You rely too much on jump balls and it can easily fail

    • theycallmerob

      Avant can’t get open.

      you clearly haven’t watched him play. RAC is an issue, but the guy can get open and catch the ball.
      Ertz also had one of the greatest rookie TE seasons ever, and considering how few snaps he played he should also help in that regard. Pulling safeties off of bracket or double coverage will also help the WRs.

      All that said, I absolutely agree an upgrade could be had. A few late rd guys in particular could upgrade the slot immediately.

      • Tom w

        I don’t see it w avant. Leader and he blocks but a slot wr he is not in this offense. Trade him to a wc offense or make him yourmwr5.

        • bentheimmigrant

          Depends on the route. He runs them great, so he really can shake coverage enough on shorter ones. If it’s just a crossing route or whatever, he’s not going to get separation. But he uses his body well and obviously has great hands. He’s paid to block and catch the ball in traffic, and he does both of those well.

          • Tom w

            Andy paid him not chip. Chips slot wrs at Oregon were all big rac guys not possession wrs … This isn’t the west coast offense … Heck chip even had him at corner in the offseason. If not for maclin and Benn injuries he gets cut in camp probably. I understand everyone loves the guy but am I insane or is that position easily upgrade able ??

      • Maggie

        Would upvote twice if possible. Avant is a very important part of this TEAM. He seems to be the voice of reason and cool-headedness. For the time being they need him, like Kelly needs or at least uses Duce Staley. In the room.

    • Beastmode

      What you’re saying makes a lot of sense, to my dumb ass anyway.

    • Maggie

      Very recently there were posters on this site who stated that Foles is a better QB because he can lead a receiver BEFORE he’s open. Now you’re saying he panics if he can’t see someone open. Which is it?

      • Tom w

        Didn’t say anything about foles.

    • #7

      Have to disagree with you on Avant. He provides more to the team than just numbers. Those timely blocks and the other little things that he does count. Also, he doesn’t get as many balls because the windows with him can be tight sometimes due to a lack of speed at times and Foles can’t get him the ball.

  • JofreyRice

    I was checking twitter during this game, and Chris Brown mentioned that this kind of defense is exactly why, ideally, Kelly likes QBs that can pick up 10 yards on the ground when given the opportunity. Now settle down, I’m not saying Vick should be the QB, or anything crazy like that, but we all know Chip wants to give a defense multiple things to worry about on every play. Let’s face it, a QB that can threaten the D with his legs when they rush four, turn their back to him in man coverage and leave safeties 25 yards off the LOS does just that.

    Just hard to find guys like that at the pro level that can do all the other things Foles does, along with running like that. Obviously, Kelly wants his QBs to specialize in throwing the ball, but a guy with that additional element is always going to be an intriguing fit into this attack.

    • cliff henny

      it’s really tough not to watch games and think, ‘damn if he only could run a little’. this point, foles as won me over, and seeing cutler get 18m, stafford 17m, romo 25m next yr…foles’ 700k for 27tds/2ints is really juicey!

    • EaglePete

      I guess but minus forcing the safeties deep, many other plays do that and that can be the case in a lot of schemes. Also, the non intriguing fact is that QBs in the NFL that run too often get killed so Ill take the pocket passer all day. I think Ive been hearing about the new player/style that will change the game from the QB position for the last decade, then Joe Flacco wins the superbowl so….I think people get tired of thinking this is some kind of answer or upgrade. Im sure the guy that brought it up a few days ago will agree as he got attacked on a thread

    • adfasdfer9fj34lkasdfa9

      foles is solid. he’s efficient, better than i expected. however, still a ‘game manager’ qb (so far). can win a superbowl, but not the kind of qb that can carry a team on his shoulders. hope he proves me wrong, but …

      http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYardsPerGame

      look at teh top 7 names: 1manning, 2brees, 3stafford, 4ryan, 5rodgers, 6rivers, 7brady.

      where is foles?

      21campbell, 22fitzpatrick, 23foles, 24alex smith, 25keenum, 26weeden, etc.

      kinda amazing when he avg 9.12 yds/att???

      if u look at qb rating, you notice something similar. big name qb’s have high rating/high yards. josh mccown is similar to foles with high rating/low yards and td/int ratio.

      it’s an oversimplification. lots of other things to consider, of course, but something to keep in mind.

      • EaglePete

        if you want a QB to carry a whole team on his shoulders, you prob arent winning any superbowls anyway. Ill take a guy who makes other players look better than they are, ie Riley Cooper

        • anon

          Really bc I flacco is getting paid 20 mil per year probably proves otherwise

        • #7

          You must not watch the playoffs during any season. The game HAS to go on the QB’s shoulders because the run can be stopped (yes even Shady can be stopped unfortunately) and the RULES are in the QBs favor which in turn tells why they get all the money. Wake up son

      • Richard Colton

        I’m downvoting your name. it hurts my eyes and you might be a terrorist.

        • Maggie

          Definitely hurts the eyes, lol. And difficult to spell out with my finger while trying to read out loud.

      • OldDocRoss

        You’ve sorted by yards per game, but that doesn’t take account of whether the QB started and finished the game in question. In this case they’ve divided Foles’ total yards by 13. Off the top of my head there were four games (Denver, NY, Dallas, Chicago) where Foles didn’t play the whole game so that obviously dampens his numbers.

        Divide Foles’ total yards by 11 (he played roughly 44 quarters) and you get to 263 YPG – good for 11th overall and a mere 8 yards behind some guy called Tom Brady. Factor in Foles’ rushing yards (221 vs Brady’s 18) and he accounts for more yards per game than Brady.

        The lesson here is it’s real easy to take stats out of context or use them selectively. Not that I ever would, you understand.

        • adfasdfer9fj34lkasdfa9

          ah, you’re right. the number did seem lower than i expected. stupid of me to assume they’d normalize the data. i’m completely wrong. 286 yds per game is very good and not a game manager at all. thanks for correcting my stupidity, lol.

        • nicksaenz1

          Didn’t even play the full game in Oakland.

      • ya duh

        what do you want him to do? avg 300 yards a game? WE LEAD THE NFL IN RUSHING yds/game and total rush yards. i would rather my team be able run it down your throat at will then have to let foles (or any qb outside brees manning and rodgers) drop back 50 times.

      • Kev_H

        He already proved you wrong. The team won all but one of the games he started and finished. They lost most of the others ie. He carried an otherwise mediocre team to the post season.

      • Media Mike

        Playing sparingly in the Denver and San Diego games is what skewed Foles yard/game downward. He’s actually around 260/game (appx 10th) when you factor in games where he played the bulk of the snaps.

        • adfasdfer9fj34lkasdfa9

          yeah, i’m an idiot. i was expecting a number around 250/game, so was surprised by the 220. but assumed that espn adjusted the number for quarters. foles’ yards are much better than i thought.

          • adfasdfer9fj34lkasdfa9

            hmm, i take it back. maybe not much better than i thought.

            i mentally tend to throw out games that are aberrations. SD 0 , DEN 49, NYG 197 – sub. 1st DAL 80, OAK 406 – outliers. DET 179 – snowstorm. MIN 428 – playing behind.

            so my impressions tend to be formed by games that i think are typical of his play. TB 296, GB 228, WSH 298, ARI 237, CHI 230, DAL 263.

            for the hell of it, did the maths to see what would pop up.
            1552/6 = 258.7 yd/game. neato. kinda what i expected. i haven’t gone completely insane. maybe.

            not the most scientific method. u can cherry pick data to prove what you want, but whatever. =P

          • Andy124

            I wouldn’t call that cherry picking unless you take that number and try to present it as meaningful. As is, it just looks like you’re examining the data to determine how your perception formed, which is commendable.

      • #7

        Game manager is correct. Our team (defense) isn’t good enough to win the SB with a game manager

        • Token

          If only Vick were starting…………….we would have a top 5 draft pick.

          • #7

            Or we could have a QB with 4000 passing and 800 rushing and a 2000yd back, but hey who wants that?

          • nicksaenz1

            Everyone. But we would have never had that. Nice try, though.

          • #7

            We were on our way…. Fluke hammy injury cost us

          • nicksaenz1

            We were also 1-3. Fans take the wins. You keep playing Madden. Plus, it would have never happened. “Fluke” hammy injury. Haha. Your boy is a walking calamity. It’s not fluke. It was a given.

          • #7

            Chargers was defense’s fault. Playoff team

            Bronchos have Vince Lombardi at QB. Playoff team

            Chiefs best D in the league. Playoff team

            Please don’t make me break down the schedule for Foles and all of the stars that coincidentally did not play…

          • nicksaenz1

            Everyone else’s fault but Vick. Guess he can’t carry a team. And you’ve already been disproven plenty on the whole missing stars theory.

          • #7

            We all sat here and bitched about how bad our D was and how bad our line was early in the year which was true..and you people added Vick to your complaints also.

            To me, no QB in the league has a chance without o-line play and consistency. Our line has gelled into the best in the league because of health and talent…and COHESION. That may be #2 on the list.

            We haven’t had a healthy o-line in YEARS and Nick happened to fall in to that. He has the best line in the league and he should rip up the Aints. I think both QBs could do so.

            And Vick has done that bro. No need to elaborate

          • Joe from Easton

            Vick has never posted the kind of efficiency numbers that Foles has. Small sample, big sample, never. Even in 2010 his numbers wouldn’t stack up to Foles’. Foles makes better decisions, period. Are you ignorant to the offensive linemen saying that blocking for a guy who sits in the pocket is “different” (code for easier)? I recall them saying that earlier this year. Maybe that’s why they’re cohesive? The point is that you can point to whatever you want and I agree that nothing is ever in a vacuum, but all things considered; you usually see the proof in the pudding and Foles has put out a better product than Vick ever has.

          • #7

            Let’s see some playoff wins and at most an NFCCG appearance and you might have a point

          • Joe from Easton

            No, I already do have a point. Playoff wins and beyond this season would only further bolster that point.

          • #7

            We shall see…

          • Andy124

            We’ve already seen.

          • #7

            LOL

          • Andy124

            True. And it’s not like Vick, the guy #7 thinks Foles is inferior to, did anything good in his first time in the playoffs.

          • #7

            Wins aren’t good…..since when?

          • Andy124

            I’ll tell you what, if our DST score as many points as they allow and we make it to the next round while Foles struggles to complete passes and throws for less than 120 yards, will you say Foles carried the team to victory? Would that actually make you more of a believer in Foles? Because that’s what Vick did in the 1 Falcons playoff victory his second year. They won despite of Vick, not because of him and you know it.

            Or will you give all the credit to Shady, the D and luck?

          • #7

            Did you watch that game. yes or no.

          • Andy124

            Sure did. Was just another game though, so I don’t pretend to remember it vividly. Do remember the Atlanta defense carrying the day though and shaking my head at Brett Favre. Oh, and where I lived at the time, the Falcons were the most popular NFL team.

          • #7

            Now remove your hate for Vick for a second.

            He didn’t have eye-popping stats but did what he had to do when he had to do it. It’s not about stats Andy, it’s wins. It felt like it was a 300yd game even though it wasn’t. But you, you only look at numbers. That’s all you know how to do. So really, you’re not really WATCHING the game, you’re just “watching”…then have sex with the stats

          • Andy124

            Ahhh, the ad hominem. I’ve watched and played football for a very long time. I know how to watch the game. And I also know that your lying eyes can tell you someone played better or worse than they really did. And that stats will tell you they played better or worse than they really did. If your eyes are telling you there is a very large difference between how someone played and how they actually played, your eyes are lying to you. You shouldn’t be so arrogant as to trust your own, flawed eyes over reality. You have to balance your eye test vs. the stats. You seem to want to completely ignore the stats because they don’t say what you want them to. That’s ingorant.

            And besides, that’s why I asked you the question, if Foles did what Vick did, which a game where his defense and special teams score as many points as they allow while he produces virtually nothing, will you then give Foles credit for carrying his team like you do for Vick? I gave Vick credit when he played well in 2010. I gave Vick credit when he played well against Washington and San Diego. And it wasn’t backhanded credit either.

          • #7

            Well your point is pointless because Vick did more than “nothing” in that game. Everytime GB thought they had him, he made a play and got the first down.

            You can have your own opinion if you like on this, but I thought it was an amazing game considering the roster, weather, and GB being undefeated in the POs at that time. None of this from Foles. Nothing amazing about Foles and nothing great about Foles. Now has he played well? Absolutely, but you can’t sit there and force feed him to me like he’s the next Montana. Maybe if you made your question make sense to answer I’d answer

          • Andy124

            Third best passer rating of all time in his second year in the league isn’t great? 7 td passees in a single game isn’t amazing? HA!

            I’ve had my fun with you for the day. Later.

          • #7

            You can thank Shady for that

          • #7

            Hopefully Brees can make it to gametime. I don’t want to see Foles beat the backups again. Per Phil Sheridan (who I can’t stand, but he’s right):

            The way things have gone for the Philadelphia Eagles this season, you half expected to hear that Drew Brees fell down an elevator shaft or was hit by some space junk. But no, the New Orleans Saints’ superb quarterback will not go the way of Aaron Rodgers, Adrian Peterson and Tony Romo the week before their teams played the Eagles.

          • Richard Colton

            he moved the goalpost again, did you see it? I can’t imagine being an Eagles fan an not enjoying watching the emergence of a franchise QB. Unless you were never an Eagles fan to begin with.

          • #7

            I see you didn’t respond when I roasted that ass last night…

          • Richard Colton

            well what’s the point in arguing with you? NOW Foles needs to win the NFCCG to prove he’s a good QB. Game Manager? Best part of this thread was when Doc Ross pointed out what was wrong with adfas’ stats – then he apologizes for the bad info – but you’re still using them to bolster a mindless point.

            You really are one of a kind. I hope you never leave.

          • Andy124

            If only Foles could move as fast as he moves those goalposts.

          • #7

            Sluurrp

          • rolando

            oh damn i was right.. should have just kept reading…

          • rolando

            i have a feeling that if even if we beat the rest of the nfc make it to the superbowl and beat the broncos, chiefs, or pats that it still wouldnt make foles good enough for you and excuses will keep flowing from your mind to the keyboard about your hero. well when vick was playing our team wasnt gelling blah blah blah… u r just a nick foles hater admitt it and move on…

          • #7

            I would give the team all the props I could give them

          • theedevilsadvocate

            just another example of your hate for foles. all that was said above was if foles did win o ut and win the super bowl you still wouldnt give him props and your response to that. i would give the team all the propls i could give them. team being the key word there not foles. you dont beeat hate with hate…

          • #7

            Are you bored and infatuated with me? This thread is over a month old

          • theedevilsadvocate

            na be real that is all i dont like fake people who hide behind words…

          • #7

            I’ve been very clear

          • theedevilsadvocate

            sure u have… stay fake dude, not very many people on here buy your garbage anyhow…

          • #7

            Then why the F do you keep following me around if you don’t buy it? Obviously you do lol. So STFU and kick rocks. You know I’m the truth

          • theedevilsadvocate

            oh god u big lame ass hooker! if you dont care what i have to say why the fuck do u keep responding wit yo fake ass. u as real as that white vick in your pic. you could never be the truth all you represent is whinny bitchass chumps who idolize the biggest chump of all time. biggest thief the biggest bust. who killed two coaches in the nfl and all he does is take money and time the biggest bust of all time IMO your hatred for foles is based only on hate and your desire to keep your favorite qb on a pedestal where as my opinion on the bitch u defend is based on cold hard facts he sux deal with it he is noone he will never be anyone he will never win anything just like all his fans… except for being the champion of dog fighting. and oooohh having oh so many rushing yards he will always be the king of injuries, fumbles and interceptions. i keep responding back cuz i like force feeding you the truth you little bitch now take that shit down your throat and swallow it thats something you really know how to do…
            now go ahead and report this post cuz i know u will.

          • #7

            Faggot,

            I respond because you keep following me around that’s why. You keep trying to convince me that FOles is great lol. I don’t give a fuck about you or Nick Foles. How you like that? Your stupid ass can’t even spell or write a fuckin simple as paragraph. How in the hell are you supposed to debate someone when you can’t even fuckin spell lol. You’re a fuckin dick sucking clown and you eat dicks for dinner.

            Nick Foles is LUCKY. YOU WILL SEE.

            VICK will shine again. Write that shit down faggot. Now leave me the fuck alone. I can’t stand talking to an illiterate fuck like you. You can keep trying to “force feed” me, but it will never work. Foles is a fucking scrub and he will prove it on the field. Now take your bitch ass someone and smoke you a cigarette or something. Keep suckin dicks you aids infested bitch

          • theedevilsadvocate

            blah blah i cant spell blah blah im a dick riding grammar nazi faggot thats all i read. yep u mad. the old let me become a grade school grammar teacher and try and make some one feel dumb because you aint real and dont know how to talk shit line uh oh no you win! white vick you got me you sure told me! im so hurt you think im dumb. boooohoooo hooooo love it. lol

          • #7

            If you’re going to state your “facts” I should at least be able to understand what you’re saying. I know you damn sure can understand what I’m saying because you keep following me around for months. I’m definitely hitting home with you and you cannot help yourself not to respond.

            What I don’t understand is why do you care so much about my opinion? You’re a Nick Foles dick rider. So what? Suck all the dick you want I could care less. I don’t follow you around harassing you. I think that Vick is a better QB overall and that is my opinion. Vick is the greatest of all time at something. Foles is the greatest of all time at NOTHING and WILL NEVER BE the greatest of all time at ANYTHING. Faggot you just watch and see this season. Foles will struggle. We will see how “loyal” you bitches really are lol

          • theedevilsadvocate

            i can dig that at leasst now you are being real at least now you are being truthful about how your feelings towards foles and my self. thats all i wanted or was asking for. just keep it real G. dont sugar coat your words let people know how u really feel about the eagles qb.

          • #7

            And I’m not a pussy ass faggot like you. I don’t snitch so you don’t have to worry about me reporting shit. Fuck you

          • theedevilsadvocate

            i can dig that at leasst now you are being real at least now you are being truthful about how your feelings towards foles and my self. thats all i wanted or was asking for. just keep it real G. dont sugar coat your words let people know how u really feel about the eagles qb.

          • theedevilsadvocate

            that comment” foles is luck you will see” thats all i have been wanting from you all season long. just be real son just be real no sugar coating no talking sideways just tell everyone how you really feel about foles instead of hiding behind words so you didnt have to feel so dumb as he kept proving you wrong. its ok to be wrong. now just admit that foles doing good this past season burns oh the much more because you were wrong. your continued hate is appreciated.

          • #7

            Well where the fuck have you been? It’s not a secret and you haven’t found out shit. I’ve said it. I gave him credit that he earned, but HE WAS FUCKING LUCKY. Every QB needs some luck dumb ass. ALL OF THEM. DBs slipping and falling against the Raiders.

            Luck.

            All the dropped INTs.

            Luck.

            The past to Cooper against GB (of course, they were missing their star players which is also LUCKY), he throws a “deep” lol pass that the wind catches and it falls right in Cooper’s hands…

            Luck.

            I can name all kinds of shit. You saw it, but your mouth had a dick rammed in it so far you couldn’t see the truth. One thing I do know…..

            Vick has been a SUPERSTAR in this league. Foles….he will STRUGGLE. Now even though I don’t like punks like you, I HOPE THAT FOLES CAN CONTINUE, but I just don’t see it. That’s my opinion. Can’t understand why you take it personal since, according to you, I’m “stupid”.

            If that is the case, why do you respond? Riddle me that

          • theedevilsadvocate

            never have and you never have been this open about your feeling on foles flad you finally came out your shell.

          • theedevilsadvocate

            still no matter how much you think vick is a superstar he is not. how many superbowls has he won yea ok… i didnt really want to knock you on your opinion of vick just get you to admit how much you hate foles. and you are proving me right. so awesome.

          • theedevilsadvocate

            and im not taking nothing you say personal baby. all i do is brush my shoulder off you are an insignifacant speck of dust in my world to be completely honest. i really just wanted you to speak the truth on how you really feel about foles istead of hiding behind words as you normaly do. i have achieved this now i am done with you.

          • #7

            Well you missed it because you cannot read or spell. I’ve been saying that Foles has had a lot of luck the entire season

          • theedevilsadvocate

            na you really havent. now hear this…
            er body wave, wave! er body wave, wave! say goodbye to the hater er body wave! btw you forgot your period at the end of your sentence there.

          • theedevilsadvocate

            now go put your gay lovers cock in your ear and fuck what you heard bout me son… go back to jerking off to highlights of your boy im done with you.

          • #7

            Still trying to figure out where I went…..

          • theedevilsadvocate

            ha lol u didnt go anywhere that was me dismissing you dumbarce… u r dismissed move along now kido

          • #7

            Good. Now maybe your faggot ass can quit harassing me

          • theedevilsadvocate

            yea alright douchetard have a nice life.

          • #7

            Take a hit of meth for me

          • theedevilsadvocate

            omfg… lmao you so want the last word… ok hurl one more insult at me after this post and i promise i wont respond anymore. go mv7!

          • theedevilsadvocate

            ill help you out your next destination will most likely be the jets. now as i said before er body wave and say goodbye to the hater (#7) as no vick on the birds no #7 fanboy on the boards now stfu gtfoh vick is going to be in our past as you will be.

          • theedevilsadvocate

            and as far as responding back… you entertain me lol that last paragraph killed it hough you hope that foles can continue my ass stop lying to your self yo u want to see him fall flat on his face and fail because you dont want him to continue to make your hero vick look bad which vick will do on his own. lol i need to stop. you are entertaining me at work though…

          • Joe from Easton

            Fluke? Dude is 34 years old and has barely finished a whole season once. It’s a regularity with him. I like Vick to be clear here. I thought he won the job in the summer and said so on a different site (I still hadn’t stumbled upon all of this glory yet). I also knew at that time that Foles would see the field again during the season as most reasonable fans would’ve guessed. I didn’t foresee that he would do what he’s been doing however. I just don’t see with how he’s played how any true Eagles fan would still be asking about where the grass would be greener. We have a dude who’s breaking records and being mentioned for doing things that only Manning and Brady have done and people what a guy who’s faster? WTF?

          • Joe from Easton

            Conjecture!

        • ztom6

          Our team probably isn’t good enough to win the SB this year, it’s true. However the offense is already pretty good with the “game manager” at QB and the defense can get better.

          • #7

            Well he better start taking him some “get dynamic” pills or something. Game managers can’t win SBs anymore. Dilfer is the last one and will be the last one

          • ztom6

            You don’t need to be “dynamic” to win a Super Bowl either. Being a good passer is a pretty good pedigree.

          • ztom6

            Anyway, if you don’t think the offense is good enough with Foles to win a Super Bowl– maybe not this year, but some other year if have a more talented defense — then I’m sorry but you’re just being ridiculous. The Eagles offense is very good. The time of year you play the games doesn’t change that.

          • #7

            It’s not about running bro. In the last 20 years, except for Dilfer and Brad Johnson, SB QBs have been dynamic players. It’s not about a singular skill either.

            Foles isn’t that in 16 starts. Calm down man. He might get there, but I don’t see it. Not knocking FOles, but any QB can have a good year. That’s what is great about the NFL. Someone emerges. Teams emerge. Josh McCown has sucked his whole career and now look at him. Foles is playing well, I give him that and have all season, but the man isn’t above critique.

          • Maggie

            Well, ask Eli how destiny or fate or once-in-a-lifetime catch figures in.

          • Joe from Easton

            Foles’ numbers blow Dilfers 2000 season out of the water. He’s no Dilfer, genius.

            Dilfer – 134/226 (59.3%), 1,500 yds (6.6 YPA), 12 TD / 11 Int, 76.6 QBR

            Foles – 203/317 (64%), 2,891 yds (9.12 YPA), 27 TD / 2 Int, 119 QBR

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Well Flacco has a ring and he’s basically a manager with a big arm. Give Foles Boldin to throw too and we’d have an SB too. lol

          • #7

            Flacco looked like a game manager this year because the Ravens got rid of so many players. Flacco played big time football last year in the playoffs and made big time throws. And I don’t like Flacco, but that goes back to my post about QB’s having to have SOMETHING dynamic about them. Foles has a chance to have a dynamic mind as far as decision making, he has a lot to do to prove it. 16 starts doesn’t do that

    • Adam

      You mean when your receivers can’t get off coverage and your line doesn’t handle a 4 man rush you’d like to have a QB that can run? Well, obviously. 2 out the 3 situations here are guys whiffing on blitz pick up. That’s execution plain and simple, not lack of ability.

      Your point (and Browns) is really just stating the obvious. Would it be nice to have a QB that could do what Foles could do but also could run well? Hell yeah, that’d be great. It would be great to have a QB who is essentially the total package. Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson running Chip’s offense would be mint. Problem is finding one.

      The issue is, what do you want to sacrifice in order to get that athletic ability? Because the guys I’ve listed above are a rare breed. 9 guys out 10 that have more athletic ability than Foles are going to either be less accurate, more turnover prone, or don’t have the mental ability to handle Chip’s system (or any combination of the 3). It’s a big roll of the dice.That’s not even including the injury risk, as I’m sure Chip has learned already from Vick.

      Personally, I’d rather the guy with lead feet that takes care of the ball, can see the field and understands the system. That’s something that’s unbelievably rare in a young QB and we’re lucky to have. Our defense isn’t near good enough to deal with a young QB who coughs up the ball.

      Chip and co. will have to take a big gamble to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. It would be like hitting with 17 or 18 in blackjack. You could do better, but there’s a good chance you’re gonna bust. Maybe you take a flier on a mid to late round guy, but they’ve already done that.. and it was another a pocket passer.. so that must tell you something.

      Personally, I think it’s a much, much, much safer bet to put your resources into A) Giving Foles more weapons to work with, like say upgrading our #2 WR spot with someone who can do a better job beating coverage or catching contested balls and B) our defense, so when the receivers don’t get open or when the blitz isn’t picked up properly, Foles can take the sack or throw away the ball and live to fight another day. But I trust Chip, so whatever way he decides to go that will obviously be what’s best for the team.

      • Timmay

        Did u forget about maclin cumin back next year?

        • Maggie

          Nitpicking, but cumin is a spice, often used in chili and Middle Eastern or Asian cooking. Maclin is coming back. Or not.

      • Token

        It still bugs me that people throw Russel freakin Wilsons name around all the time like he is great. Pay attention to his games. If Foles had a typical Wilson game hed be run out of town. The kid is in the best situation in football and still doesnt do a great job. Often the offense bogs down because of him.

        Its just perspective I guess. I have a friend who is a Seahawks fan. He doesnt think Wilson is nearly the elite QB that many Eagle fans do. But I guess its just different when you watch every play of a guy.

        • nicksaenz1

          Exactly.

          • Token

            Glad im not the only one. People really are seeing thing im not when it comes to Wilson.

          • nicksaenz1

            He’s good man, but not as good as he’s made out to be. He’s still young, just like Foles. He’s got a lot of great qualities to build on. He’s just getting the attention too soon, IMO.

          • HowboutdemIggles

            What I think about Wilson is the fact that he’s not needed to be the guy to go out and win a game for you, because his team is so good around him. He is a guy though who can be one to take over, as evidenced by the Indianapolis game, he helped charge a comeback to make it competitive.

        • #7

          Agreed

        • Adam

          I mean in terms of running Chip’s system because he’s got the IQ and the athletic ability, not necessarily him being a great QB.

          • #7

            He can be stopped. Pressure up the middle and tight man coverage

          • Adam

            Where did I say he was unstoppable?

          • #7

            Good Lord man I didn’t say you did. My bad

          • Adam

            Every QB is flawed one way or another, it’s up to the coaches to limit them from being exposed as much as possble. I think that Chip could do a lot with Wilson.

          • #7

            Yeah you’re probably right. I was just pointing out on how to stop him and how’s he’s been stopped in the past. His D is loaded and that surely helps

        • morgan c

          I actually totally agree. Wilson is a good young QB, don’t get me wrong. But he is vastly overrated. Best defense in the game and Marshawn Lynch running the ball. His numbers aren’t eye-popping or anything. People putting him on the same level as Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning are just hilarious.

      • JofreyRice

        Oh, completely agree with your last paragraph. You have to go into next season with Foles as the QB; goes without saying. Considering how closely Brown’s followed Kelly, and the fact that he seems to be such a big fan, I found the comment from Brown to have some weight.

        I think we need to just explicitly eliminate Mike Vick’s name here. I’m not talking about Vick. Regardless of whatever else, he’s just not going to make it through a full season. You cannot build around a guy like that. Not saying that’s the premise you’re working from, but it seems a lot of the responses to my OP were in regards to Vick, which I realize was kind of natural, but not my intention.

        I think it’s a little more than a last resort than just “if all else fails, it’s great to have a QB to run”. I think it changes the way defenses can play you. It will be interesting to see how it goes the rest of the way, but it seems to me that defenses have had the most success playing the Birds with very basic fronts that can be checked into very quickly, to combat the hurry up. When defenses play zone, Kelly’s offense spreads and shreds. They are still a good offense versus man, and like we saw in the first Dallas game, guys can get open, but I think they are really insanely good if you can force a defense into playing zone, primarily.

        Greg Cosell calls Foles a “safe thrower”, meaning he looks for clearly defined coverage before letting it go. He thinks that kind of caution leads to him holding onto the ball too long sometimes, and taking sacks. I don’t know I completely agree, I think there are a handful of throws every game where Foles will put it up for a receiver to go get (Avant’s leaping one in the last one, the pass right through Stephen Tulloch to Cooper in the Lions game) but I do agree there are times when it seems Foles is just back there waiting for someone to get open.

        I still really don’t have any sense of what is going on in Chip’s brain, but I wonder. If you look at his recruiting career at Oregon, he targeted QB’s that could run the ball. I know he won with guys that didn’t run the ball as much–and was able to adapt to that–but the list of whom he actually went after is pretty convincing. Manziel, Manuel, Pryor, Mariota, Tahj Boyd, Russell Shepard. Maybe at the NCAA level, he saw the QB as more a lump of clay, he could mold, and wanted a guy with the athletic skills as a baseline? I dunno. Just conjecture.

        • theycallmerob

          Great post.
          I think towards the end you keyed in on the NCAA and NFL difference. He also always had dominant RBs, helping pave the way for his blur offense. With talent disparities being so great, it truly took a dominant front to stop him.
          Similarly, as you mentioned, that has worked at the pro level. KC was a good example of a team with great front and also corners who can hold their own in man. Of course we shot ourselves in the foot, just using that team defense as an example.
          But how many of those are there? KC, CAR, CIN (pre-injury) are probably the best fronts. Ok, that helps stop the IZ run. But then you need good man corners, a speedy DB or S because of DeSean), someone to cover our TEs, and a LB that can cover Shady out of the backfield. And still get home to Foles in time. It is certainly asking a lot of a defense. And of course, we have plenty of room to improve at some positions to make life easier for us as well (right side of line in pass pro., WR).
          As you say, mobility is always great. To me, Rodgers is the only QB today that absolutely has both those weapons. And as we’ve seen, he has played at an all-time level and is likely a HOF-er. Steve Young has been mentioned as well.
          This has been said before, hundreds of times. Who knows if Chip finds that kid with every tool. I’m sure he values it. But he now also has the best RB in the game (something he didn’t have in college), as well as an OL up there with the best (something else he struggled to recruit at OU). I think Chip is simply smart enough to realize what he has and look to filling in our many holes.

          Truly excited for the offseason, to see how he manages his first go-around and also the personnel moves.

        • Token

          If they pick a QB remotely early id be shocked. I cant imagine Chip is that dumb.

          I personally think Foles second guesses himself sometimes. I think hes not always 100% sure of where he wants to go. Thats something that can and should improve as he gets more comfortable playing QB in the NFL, seeing defenses, playing in this system.

          What runners wont titles? For years we talk about how challenging it is to defend them. But at the end of the day they are defended. They fail in the playoffs.

          Its a throwing mans game and thats not changing. Harbaugh has one of the most promising running QBs there is and has tried to take that out of his game this year. Is Harbaugh an idiot? I dont think so. I think he wants his guy to develop as a QB. Not a guy that runs and can throw a little.

          The guy that can do both extremely well doesnt exist. People will bring up Steve Young. Didnt run as much when he started winning titles. Rodgers can run enough to get a 1st. But hes a passer well before hes a thrower.

          I dont think we will see that guy who runs a 4.4 and also excels at doing all the other QB traits. When you play that position with that speed you will go through HS and college running a bunch. You wont learn the things necessary to become a elite thrower.

          Until proven otherwise, I think at this point its foolish to talk QBs. We seem to be in a fortunate spot and have one that can play. At times has played at a very high level. Hes played QB better than everyones hero Wilson. Sorry, he has. But theres obviously something about him people dont like. From media to fans. Im trying to put my finger on it but cant. Is it just that his style isnt exciting?

    • Token

      Id say its nearly impossible to find.

      Guys that really excel at running are generally bad QBs overall. They tried really kinda taking it out of Kaepernicks game. And hes not been anything to right home about as a QB this year. Many love Cam Newton. I think hes mediocre to above average. Rodgers runs well enough to pick up a 1st.

      Fans will always fall in love with a runner. But its always fools gold. Ill take TD passes and low turnover numbers. In the end you want a accurate smart thrower above everything else.

      Kelly now has a entire offseason knowing who his QB will be. Im excited to see if Foles can continue to improve on his flaws. Id rather have a QB that can navigate the pocket to buy an extra second then a guy who runs a 4.4 and runs at the first sign of trouble.

      • #7

        When d-lineman are hanging all over you since the line didn’t have the chemistry it has now and a new offense…I would run too.

        • HowboutdemIggles

          Then he can run his ass into Houston, just face it Vick is done in Philadelphia he did that when he seceded the job to Nick Foles.

          • #7

            You better hope so

          • Mike Calabrese

            I am not even being sarcastic or condescending at all when i ask this. In what sense do you mean better hope so?

            Like better hope he leaves Philly so doesn’t take job back? Is that what you mean?

          • #7

            I think Foles will struggle next year. Newton and RG3 and numerous others aren’t above it and neither is Foles. You guys try to force him on others if they’re not convinced. You guys compare him to Manning and others because of his numbers this year when it makes no sense to do so. The man has a small body of work so why even do it Mike?

            Now, make note, I did NOT say that I hope he struggles. I just don’t feel he’s as good as you people think…and I really feel that you guys are just reaching for anything you can get your hands on and clinging to it, which is understandable, but when/if the heartbreak you people turn on players in a heartbeat.

            I do feel that you guys will give more leeway to Foles because he’s young, for a bit, and because he’s not Vick. And other reasons I care not to discuss

          • Dustan M. Howell

            “And other reasons I care not to discuss”

            LOL, I know exactly what you mean, and there is no reason to mention those reasons because it will be met with denial.

          • #7

            Yep you know the deal

      • HowboutdemIggles

        Cam Newton is pretty solid and needs more weapons to truly be great.

  • anon

    I’ll echo tom W, i think Vick ran into some of the same issues, i think it’s just a product of the offense (notice no issues about throwing the ball open). It’s frustrating when the offense stalls, we seem to score points in bunches, which can make the game seem long when we aren’t scoring. That said we score 25 a game (and over 40 twice) so that’s pretty good. The o-line has given up the 8th most sacks in the league (crazy considering we run the ball 50% of the time). Foles has done a good job protecting the ball, or throwing it a way so we eliminate turnovers, not every game is going to be perfect all the time — Chip has given us high expectations.

    I think the scheme has made the players look a lot better than they are — be interesting to see what we look like with better quality talent.

    • Beastmode

      Watching the edited game on nfl network I was really impressed with how we played, of course all the 3 n outs aren’t shown but Foles made some plays for sure.

      • Rick H

        Unfortunately for the naive Tom W. who focuses on the negative during a super positive time but he also shows he doesn’t understand the game. Coverage sacks? Tom W. you have no understanding of what one is! Tom W. go on the Giants or Cowboys or Redskins websites and rebuild their teams. That way if they take your advice the Eagles will win the division indefinitely.

        • Tom w

          Your an idiot bro. The coach said it was coverage sacks and so did baldinger. And you can’t read. I’m honestly pointing out some weaknesses on the offense. Not being a cheerleader and dope

          • Rick H

            I rest my case pal! Look at your comment. Come back when you grow up…

          • Tom w

            You started insults first cuz and starting proclaiming how great everyone was and how awesome the season … I didn’t bring up half the pkayers you mentioned and was trying to look critically at the team and what needs we could address in the offseason much like our front office will do. Let’s hope they don’t think everything is puppies and candy like you and look to improve thee team at obvious positions. And finally if you don’t realize everyone on the offense is Benefiting from chips scheme and sports science you are nutz. A lot of guys who looked past their prime are having good years but not realizing they can’t be upgraded is short cited and gets a franchise in trouble

  • addicted2mula

    I believe this game Eagles should do a lot of screens

    • mtn_green

      Cowboys were good at screens. I don’t know if saints are. Also gotta switch it up when DL sniffs it out and grabs McCoy.

      • addicted2mula

        Yea boys do. I just think Rob Ryan is going to want to blitz a lot. So screens will help. More stretches. And more motions

    • #7

      Screens getting shut down bro. Scares me a bit because a lot of Foles’ completions are screens hence the high comp %

      • nicksaenz1

        Man you find any way to hate you can. They got shut down one game, and they don’t make up for the %. They contribute, but it’s not “a lot”.

        • #7

          If you could only take off the Foles colored glasses…..

          • nicksaenz1

            They’re off. Let’s say Foles averages 4-5 screens a game, and completes 3-4, missing one a game, that’s 75-80% completion but on like about 20% of his throws. Simple math. Not a huge portion. I also fail to understand why you think it’s a such a travesty and a knock on the QB when he makes the plays that are getting his playmakers the ball. Baffling.

          • #7

            LOL ok man….

            All I know that Dallas was making him spike a couple of them because he couldn’t move. They keep saying he was a basketball player. Why can’t he run 5 yards to escape pressure to throw the ball away?

          • nicksaenz1

            Playing basketball has very little to do with it, but okay…. Kiffin knows Chip’s offense the best out of anyone in the league, and, again, it’s one game that it happened. Not the end of the world.

          • #7

            You have to run on a basketball court. What was his position? Center? Because that what he moves like. If he was a guard, I hope he was a great shooter because he couldn’t drive past anyone

          • nicksaenz1

            Weird thing about bball is you don’t need to run a 4.3 to be good, at any position. He’s been stated as the best bball player on the team, so, again, not sure of the relevance.

          • #7

            He must have played center then. Mentioned nothing about a 4.3 sir

          • nicksaenz1

            You brought up running, sir. Not I.

          • #7

            5 yards to escape the pocket to extend the play or throw it away. Nothing wrong with that. Sick of seeing unecessary sacks

          • nicksaenz1

            I bet Pats fans bitch about Brady not running all day.

          • #7

            He gets the ball out. Every QB does it differently. Dual threats happen to run to escape trouble.

            Tell me nick. What does Foles do when the play breaks down? I see easy sacks and intentional groundings. And what I mean by breaks down, it’s when no one is open…

          • nicksaenz1

            But what you don’t see is the picks, those things that your boy loves to throw. In all of Foles’ time, 10 starts and two other games of spot duty, he’s been sacked 28x. He would have cracked top 10 in a full season. Right around the same amount as SB winning QBs Brady and Roethlisberger. Keep nitpicking.

          • #7

            Nitpicking lol. Dude you can’t be serious. Vick couldn’t even have a press conference without you people grading it

          • nicksaenz1

            I’m dead serious. You’re infatuated with a guy who has more natural physical talent than just about anyone in the league and he pissed it away for the most part. He started to try by the end but it was too late. Dude isn’t a winner. End of story.

          • #7

            According to his WL record he’s won more than he’s lost…

          • nicksaenz1

            Wouldn’t brag about it, plus, he’s .500 as an Eagle, which is all that matters.

          • #7

            Romo is 25-28 and people call him great….

            It’s a team game to the ultimate.

          • nicksaenz1

            Weird, you discuss it as if it’s not. Oh, and Romo isn’t 25-28. He’s 63-45.

          • #7

            You have a short memory….always said that it’s a team game. Been arguing with you for a while now. i remember what you say….

          • nicksaenz1

            I just said you discuss as if it’s not, despite what you say. Just like you say you respect Foles, but then discuss anything regarding him as if you don’t. It’s because you don’t. It’s all about Vick for you. I remember what you say. We all do.

          • #7

            Well what about all those compliments I give him and fair critiques? So I have to be a 100% Foles fanatic like you. Why? I have a different opinion and still want to win.

          • nicksaenz1

            Back-handed compliments aren’t really compliments. Neither is insincerity.

          • #7

            No answer. That’s the nicksaenz1 I know

          • ztom6

            good… good… let the hate flow through you.

          • nicksaenz1

            “If you got hate in your heart let it out.”

          • #7

            I don’t hate Foles like you people hated Vick and wishing for injury

          • Will

            Say what you want about Foles basketball skills. Foles is still a hell’va good QB which is why he choose football for a career!

          • #7

            All good. Not ragging on him

          • Will

            It takes the O-Line,Receiver’s and QB all doing there jobs to pass effectively…I for one see flashes at 24 and Foles will only get better at being a pocket QB…I will admit he is still raw but he is honing his skills as an elite NFL QB…

          • #7

            We’ll see. If he does, great

          • Will

            Foles is one of 11…I think if he stays healthy we have found the QB of the future…

          • #7

            Thank you Rolexes from Foles should be given to McCoy and the defense

          • Will

            Shady is the Shat…This Billy D Defense is coming on strong considering the Safeties in the secondary…

          • #7

            We don’t make the POs without Shady. He doesn’t get his due on here. If it’s not about Vick, it’s about Foles on here

          • Will

            I’ve posted his HOF equipment on here when he got 217 yds in a game…but it takes great blocking from the O-line,Te’s,Wr’s too…but McCoy is a super talented RB for sure…if we beat the Saints it will be cause McCoy puts this team on his back and runs for another 200 yds. Foles will need to pass too, WR’s got get open and no turnovers…and the D will have to play lights out…

          • #7

            Well you’re one of the few. Kudos. Best player on the team

          • Will

            The O-Line as a Unit is pretty damm special as well and the Coaches schemes this year…

          • #7

            Cohesion. Awesome how the line has come together. Thats what happens when you talent and health..and a goo scheme.

            These same players were terrible with Howard Mudd minus the Rook

          • Will

            Man are we blessed to have Chip and this is his first year….fishduck.com sold me on Chip. The Eagles got the right Coach to go get a Super Bowl. I’ve followed the Eagles for 41 years now. Cunniham, McNabb, and Vick couldn’t get it done. I was a Vick supporter since he got here. Yet Foles has won me over…I look at Brady, Manning , and Rodgers all pocket passers and they win Super Bowls….A Great QB is hard to find…Nick Foles has a lot of the intangibles….winning a 40 yd dash isn’t one of them but that doesn’t mean he can’t be successful… the Eagles are 7-1 in the last 8 games enjoy this team will only get better… .

          • #7

            Sure it’s possible, I just don’t believe it yet. 16 starts is a small body of work. I just think that the team is just better coached than it was the last couple of years. Chip has done a great job. I still think that we could be in this same position with Vick. Chip appears to be that good, but apparently it was not meant to be. Foles has taken the reins and has played well. I just can’t annoint as quickly as people do on here. In the NFL, it’s different every year which make it the best sport in the world. Foles has his chance to prove it

          • Will

            After 41 years of watching you learn to spot talent and special player’s the Eagles have a few, McCoy, DJax, Petters, Mathis, Bryce Brown, Boykin, Vick, and Foles to mention a few…Flacco isn’t a great QB but was good enough to win with….Foles gets 700 k which means money can go else where to build a solid team…remember Foles is 24 not 30….Foles needs experience and there will be growing pains…Trust in Chip….Go Eagles…Vick may play yet you never know what Chip might do…The Saints are no push over if Foles struggles Chip might put Vick in…

          • Will

            http://fansided.com/2013/12/12/nick-foles-mounting-case-nfl-mvp/ Here’s a nice article to put things in perspective…a few weeks old but a good read…

            Nick Foles this years awards…

            Career highlights and awards
            NFL record for Single-Game Touchdown Passes (Tied, 7)
            NFL record for TD-INT ratio in a regular season (27 TD, 2 INT)
            60th Perfect Game in NFL history (November 3, 2013 vs. Oakland Raiders)
            2nd player in NFL history to throw for over 400 yards with a perfect rating.
            3rd highest regular season passer rating in NFL history (119.0)
            Youngest player in NFL history to throw for 7 TDs in a single game
            2x 2013 NFC Offensive Player of the Week (Week 6, 2013; Week 9, 2013)
            2x Fedex Air Player of the Week (Week 6, 2013; Week 9, 2013)
            NFC Player of the Month (November 2013)
            Pro Bowl (2013 – first alternate)

            Not bad for the Kid’s first year and his 40 yard dash wasn’t any better…

          • #7

            Will check it out

          • Will

            check what out?

      • addicted2mula

        Doesn’t mean to abandon it

        • #7

          The defense can force us too though. Dallas, the weakest D in the league shut it down. Hopefully the Aints can’t do it. Foles without screens scare me man. You can tell that it helps him get in a rhythm

          • addicted2mula

            Yea because their front 4 was good enough. Remember Aints have a rookie going against Cole so they should see a lot of blitz. Plus its Rob Ryan. Kiffin knows what Kelly likes to do. But at the same time the Allas defense was holding like shit

          • #7

            Yeah they do have that rook on the left side. And no Vacarro. Chip will try to isolate Roman Harper

      • theycallmerob

        wrong

        • #7

          What took you so long buddy

          • theycallmerob

            Still wrong. Defend your statement, a $$

      • HowboutdemIggles

        We’re really using his rookie season critiques now? I’m done trying to decipher your comments and making a logical statement against you because everything you’ve said is just flat out ignorant.

  • Rick H

    Tom W. did you watch the Eagles 10 wins this year? Seriously your critique is ridiculous! 10 & 6 is an incredible record especially with some of the teams they beat. Dallas was playing for their jobs and they played well. Cooper is outstanding as a blocker and very good receiver, Jackson has had a career year and was snubbed for the pro bowl.
    Celek has had his best all around year of his career. Ertz is developing into a potential All Pro. Foles set multiple records this year. Our excellent offensive line did not have a great game for once and our defensive line was non existent all last game but they have been excellent in general.
    The Eagles are going to be playing a very very good team on Saturday. For the little bit it is worth the Eagles are favored.
    Sheil, for your article that states first that Kelly said it had nothing to do with Foles, I find it weird that you keep Foles right on the chopping block in almost every analysis/comment you make???

    • EaglePete

      its the difference between being analytic and/or a cheerleader. Were all Eagles fans first and everyone couldnt be more excited about how this team is performing. Per Sheil, its his job to point out flaws, not a chopping block at all

      • anon

        Preach

    • Tom w

      What are you babbling about … I suggested an improvement at our wr2-4 positions and the alarming amount of coverage sacks we are giving up. I didn’t say shit about the defense or foles or ertz. I was looking at ways teams have exploited us and where we can get better. To admit we can’t is childish and short cited. I’m the biggest supporter, but to not realize that we can’t improve at wr or that celek isn’t the receiving threat he once was is silly.

      • Rick H

        Tom W. SERIOUSLY man get a grip and go to a website that cares about your irrational comments. I have been faithfully watching the Eagles for 52 years and played this sport at a high level. I wouldn’t dare make the mistake of making the naive comments you typed. Babbling ??? You are funny…

        • Tom w

          Mistakes … I’m repeating what Kelly said in his press conference. Stop being a cheerleader

  • cloisterwater

    Love your All-22′s, but how can you say there isn’t much to show on the last sack? Yes Celek got blocked into McCoy, but Riley Cooper also had his jersey yanked accross half the field, giving Foles nowhere to go with the ball. You can clearly see him looking for Cooper as well.

    • mtn_green

      Check out the play before as well, celek was mugged and lost his wallet.

  • @PhilthyBird215

    I like the QB from UCF last night. Blake Bortles, he looks like a pretty good fit for what Chip likes to do. He has size, accurate, very good on his feet, and good decision maker. look for that guy in the up coming draft. If he lasts to where Eagles pick.

    • EaglePete

      No way he lasts til the 32nd pick

      • Richard Colton

        He’s a top 6 pick. I can’t envision a single scenario where he makes it out of the top 20. It would be Rodgers-esque.

        • GEAGLE

          He has a better chance of going number one overall when it’s all said and done, then falling into the 20s…top 5-6 pick, maybe the number 1 pick in the draft,depending on what QB guru OBrien thinks

          • Andy124

            O’Brien got a real close look at him this year.

    • Tom w

      Why waste the pick

      • @PhilthyBird215

        why would it be a wast? first of all no one knows if he will come out this year. second; if he dose I doubt he will last to where the eagles pick. but in the off chance he dose. Eagles will pick him. he is a clone of Roethlisberger, but faster. Watch him when you get the chance. Every body is talking about Teddy Bridgewater, and Johnny Football. but when all said and done Brotles is going to out play and out last both of them on the NFL level. Johnny and Teddy are a bit on the small side for the NFL. smaller than Vick. that’s a gamble.

        • GEAGLE

          You realize you are talking about a top 5 draft pick “falling” to the eagles?

        • Tom w

          I am a temple season ticket holder. Seen the kid play in person and on tv several times. We have a very good young starter. Why waste the pick and take any qb at 25 and incite a media storm and uncertainty in the locker room. You are obviously trolling but the idea is just dumb to begin with.

        • HowboutdemIggles

          Can Foles catch a break for once? I mean the guy turns 25 next season, and he’s played one where his team has been depleted then he’s played a season where he’s setting records, please give the guy a chance to mess up before drafting another guy who may or may not be good in the league. Plus he’s not falling no matter what.

          • @PhilthyBird215

            I believe you’ve misunderstood me. i like Foles. i think He is Great. terrific even. but that dose not mean the eagles should not draft a QB if a QB is there for the taking.
            the current most valuable commodity in the the NFL is a QB, Andy Reid traded Low Throw McCblow for a 2nd round pick well after his prime, Kevin Kolb for a 2nd and A.J Feely for another 2nd. So My friend, Mr, HowBoutDemEagles, I am not in the slightest trying to suggest that the eagles should actively try to find a replacement Foles. But, with a careful look at the current Landscape of the NFL and its future trajectory suggests that QB’s have been, and are going to be a commodity a team can’t pass up if the opportunity presents its self. Recent draft history of the Eagles drafts suggests that very sentiment. Kolb, Foles, and recently Matt Barkley.
            Thus if by some dumb luck Brotles declares for the draft and lasts to where the eagles pick, history suggests that they draft him. And that is not a bad thing. if anything he will sit out his first year, and seriously push Foles for a starting job in his second year. which in my book is what one calls a WIN WIN.
            Considering the current QB situation in Philadelphia Vick is at the end of his run, and Matt Looks more like an A.j Feely than a Drew Brees. so, Its smart for Howie and the eagles to keep an eye out, and pull the trigger if one becomes available.

          • HowboutdemIggles

            I’d make sure I have a good shot before I pull any trigger on anyone other than a pass rushing linebacker, or a coverage safety.

    • Token

      Makes a ton of sense…………………………………………………………

    • theycallmerob

      No. We have foles. Get over it.

  • Maggie

    This piece mentions something we tend to forget. There is another team on the field, and sometimes they do things right.

    • bentheimmigrant

      It’s extra hard to admit that when it’s Dallas.

      • GEAGLE

        Dallas defense was the most prepared defense to face us that we saw all year…a team like the saints who is seeing us for the first time…is in trouble

  • mtn_green

    When I watched the game second time the cowboys were grabbing jersey every down. I’d bet that on those all22s shown above there is a fist full of jersey on each Wr.
    That last sack was ridiculous, 2 and 11 clek throw before it the LB had celek with both hands. Then on 3 rd and 11 when Foles slid, they had cooper by the jersey for a full second.

    Chip doesn’t complain just says we gotta do a better job getting off jams.

    Rob Ryan must’ve told the nearly worst secondary in history, ‘only way your gonna survive is to hold on for dear life and hope you don’t get PI calls’

    • Media Mike

      The officiating was so one-sided in that game it just about made me puke to hear the idiotic broadcast team continue to harp on the ONE penalty Dallas actually got (the delay of game) as some type of injustice. 6 to 1 is a travesty. EVEN THOSE CALLS UP!

  • Adam

    I would how many other team’s fans would do what we’re doing now. We’ve got a 24 year old QB with 27-2 TD/INT ratio, broke team and league records, and we’re already wondering what if we had better. Ridiculous.

    Do Tom Brady and Peyton Manning get an article written about them when they take a coverage sack and their team doesn’t pick up the blitz?

    • #7

      Lol smh

    • Andy124

      People are cray. Imagine any idiotic point of view you can think of, there’s someone out there on the interwebs that is already touting it. Just have to tune out the nut jobs. Life on the webz…

    • Joe from Easton

      I just asked the same question myself. I’m sure Bill Belichick would’ve been happier with a guy who can play like Tom AND run a 4.4 40, but that doesn’t exist. I’m sure Brees’ coaches would like a guy who’s just like him, but 4 inches taller, but guess what, not worth looking for if you already have Drew. I could go on and on. People always think the grass will be greener because of one little flaw that makes it easier to win with Scam Newton than Foles in madden 25. People don’t get that football is an efficiency game, in the end. McNabb, for his flaws, was efficient. He didn’t throw a lot of picks and he didn’t fumble very often. Sure he made some bad throws, but they were in the dirt and not picked off. He took some sacks, but at least he didn’t turn it over with the game on the line. We happened to win a lot with him. I like Foles from the efficiency standpoint more than McNabb through year two. Let’s be excited you idiots!

  • GEAGLE

    I would be more worried about facing a nasty defensive front like Carolina! then a team that relies on I high volume blitzes to get pressure. We are going to burn the saints

  • ia

    Foles will always be looking downfield no matter how many blitzers are coming. I’ve seen him do it in AZ. He’ll even take a hit to make a play. He has no fear. I think that’s a great quality since he can make all the throws.