SEPTA Strike Preparations Underway, Says Transport Workers Union

“Get ready,” the union told its members on Monday.

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Four SEPTA contracts are set to expire between now and April 7th, and the leadership of the Local 234 Transport Workers Union says that a SEPTA strike is looming if negotiations don’t go in its favor. “If negotiations fail,” reads a memo sent by TWU Local 234 to its members on Monday, “the unions representing SEPTA workers may all be on strike at the same time, idling bus, trolley, train and regional rail service for the first time ever.”

“The last thing we want is any type of service disruption,” SEPTA spokesperson Jerri Williams tells me. “We are at the table, and we are talking. We truly hope that’s not an action that they are considering, and we’d love to have the chance to continue talking.”




The main sticking points are cuts that SEPTA wants to make to workers' pension plans and retiree health insurance coverage, and the proposed elimination of two paid holidays.

TWU Local 234 is the largest and most powerful of the 17 unions representing SEPTA workers. Where it goes, so go the other unions. The four contracts in question cover approximately 5,400 workers. The first contract set to expire is the TWU City Division, which includes city buses and subways. That division has 4,713 members.

According to the memo, Local 234 president Willie Brown "told SEPTA at the bargaining table [that] the Authority's chances of getting such outrageous concessions are 'as likely as a fish drowning.'"

"Given SEPTA's total disregard for the well-being of our members and their families, Local 234 is now stepping up its preparations for a strike," the memo continues. Union representatives have contacted local supermarkets to "arrange for discounted food" for TWU members and their families should a SEPTA strike ensue.

"Get ready," the memo proclaims in large, bold letters. "When the time comes, we may have to act on short notice."

"We hope we can continue negotiations and come up with a contract that's beneficial for everyone," says Williams. "But we are preparing a service interruption plan, and that would be released to the public when appropriate."

Brown was president in 2009 when the union threatened to launch a SEPTA strike during the World Series, which was being played in Philly. In the end, the union waited until the series was over, and went on strike for just six days. (The SEPTA strike record, which we hope to never beat, is 108 days, set in 1983.) Brown lost reelection in 2010, but returned to his post in 2013. He was not immediately available for comment.

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  • matthew brandley

    these union trolls are going to walk w/o notice just like they did last time and lv people stranded. They get paid outragous benefits no as is! what the heck do these clowns want? blood? they have great benefits that people would kill for! how pathetic can they be? greedy slime balls destroying the city, the region and as always out for themselves again. people have it hard enough as is and now these losers have to add to the misery. A clown is a clown and the union twu 234 has been nothing but union goones

    • sick of the insults

      I work for septa & its easy for you to blab off at the mouth about the worker being greedy when this company has the money & resources to pay. Were the front line putting our lives on the line, some being attacked, shot at due to people ignorance not the people making 6 figures who are set when they retire, so don’t speak on it unless your walking in our shoes. Evaluate the head people’s salary before bad mouthing the drver cause if you worked for the company you would better understand what were asking for. So is it fair to work at a place for 15year & somebody with 4 years make the same salary as you dealing with the public is not easy.

      • Northeaster

        Its not, but plenty of other people deal with the public all the time. SEPTA employees are well-compensated, and going on strike is foolish. Why did you all re-elect Willie Brown?

        • sick of the insults

          He’s the best man to negotiate our contract & won’t let SEPTA bully him around thats why.

          • sick of the insults

            Yes alot of people deal with the public & go through hell to, not all people are ignorant & angry for no reason.That why union jobs are better then non union people losing jobs every day for no reason because they can just fire you cause they don’t like you or cause you stood up for yourself or cause your more qualified and pose as a threat to them.

          • matthew brandley

            hes a union thug . trash who speaks like a ghetto thug. hes a moron. hes only out for his fat self

          • Phoenixrising212

            You know what, when you strike do you really think you hurt management? No, you hurt the citizens of Philadelphia who depend on you to get to work and school. Most of those people make way less than you. So, if you are wondering why you are getting so many insults its because you have better pay and better benefits than most and yet you still complain. You hurt us and you hurt yourselves when you don’t get paid and then you want our sympathy. Oh and one more thing you want a discount at food stores for basically choosing not to work. That is BOLD. How about the people who will not be able to get to work because you choose not to work? Are you asking for a discount for them too? Oh no of course not because it is clear that the Union does not care about the working people of this city.

      • wait…WHAT??

        did you just say putting your LIFE on the line… really?? c’mon man

        • sick of the insults

          Yes really YOU DAM RIGHT, you tell me whats so safe about people attacking you & even shooting at the bus & on the sub hell some of these attacks are on tbe public as well.

          • James

            maybe you should hire more transit cops.

          • sick of the insults

            Have any of you contacted Septa GM stop coming at the union & the workers on the frontline & complain about how they waste alot of the funding they get on bull shit bonus that the GM & other in charge of it funding get. You all always blaming the drivers what about the people who runs the company.

          • matthew brandley

            they get no bonuses idiot

          • sick of the insults

            Blah blah blah your the f’n idiot you think you know so much well you know so much then you do your research you must have been one stranded aren’t you…ctfuuuuu

          • matthew brandley

            dude! chill! they are salaried! you lie as much as obama does! and as much as willie your union thug! no wonder your about to have a cardiac! relax. its people like you that can never handle the truth. if mgmt was getting bonuses I would see your outrage but theres no mass transit agency in the country that I know that gets them and I have been following mass transit for 30 years!

          • Two sides to every story

            Are you crazy! Septa recieved $8500 for every employee hired regardless it they stay employed for 1 day or 10. Where do you think that money goes? They hire people knowing Damn well they won’t last. They do slick shit but you don’t hear about that. You only hear about what the unions want.

          • matthew brandley

            if they did how far do you think that goes? realy? look at the aging infrastucture they have to maintain you fool! its not about you or you union thugs! what part of that do you assclowns not get? are you that stupid? oh hold it! union . pulse. your hired!

          • Two sides to every story

            I’m a fool because septa doesn’t fix the infrastructure the way they are suppose to? What does the falling infrastructure have to do with the employees wages? Who’s the ass clown here? Septa does pay well but they have to. How many paid sick days and non paid sick days do you receive? Employees that work outside every day recieved five sick days. Management recieves pension, paid sick leave that rolls over, every holiday off, and the ability to fuck something up and receive a promotion. Employees put up with a lot and our pay has nothing to do with that. The pay is to compensate for what they don’t receive. There’s three sides to every story and you’re taking the big fish version and spotting off at the mouth about something you know shit about. When you feel you can come out and work in the different weather conditions, with the different types of people, and carrying cash that’s not yours but you’re totally responsible for if stolen then let’s talk. Till then you stop being the ass clown at be open to hearing another side.

          • matthew brandley

            well now are you a little irate! emt that work for transport companies get paid way less, have worse benefits and also many vol at squads outside the city like I use to for many years in all kinds of weather and not once did I ever complain about my job like ou are! you are what they call a union cry baby obama liberal entitled loser!

          • Theresa Rooney

            I think u are the loser! because you cant get a job with good pay and benefits or you would! So you just want to be an asshole to people who have a better job then you!! That’s what this is about! go apply 1234 market ….I bet your ass wont last a week!

          • Ken Hamilton

            Don’t like working in the bad weather, get a new fucking job jackass

          • Whowe

            That happens anywhere in Philadelphia. No one in the city gets paid hazard pay.

          • sick of the insults

            Well when it happens to you maybe you’ll want sympathy and a better pay to risk you life to the angry birds that rides or the hang around down in the subway or at the bus stops looking for trouble so call it what you want f u pay me.. lmao

          • Whowe

            Move out of the city then. I don’t expect to get paid more to live in a dangerous city. F U move out.

          • sick of the insults

            I get paid to much…lmao

          • Ken Hamilton

            FU, get a job that doesn’t put you in the line of fire if you’re so scared

          • brii214

            But you applied for that job knowing what could happen so you put youself at risk. But if you got shot at ehy are you still working for them. I know I wouldn’t be after that kind of experience. So I doubt it has ever happened to you. Like everyone said every year yall go on strike and we are effected… yall sit on yall asses all day literally. I can see if the janitors for septa had a problem but be real yall been going on strike for years and if yall jot happy with what yall check look like quit and find another job. Think about the people who work for septa and when yall asses decide to go on strike they can’t go to work either all yall do is hurt yourself and eventually who ever decides these contracts are just going to say fuck who ever dont like it your fired. I bet u won’t be complaining after that.

        • http://www.philadelinquency.com Christopher Sawyer

          Like he’s ever had to walk miles each way to get to work through the hood. Fuck that noise. If they strike, SEPTA should start firing.

        • wolf

          yes bus drivers are assaulted every day

      • http://blog.philadelphiarealestate.com/ Sandy Smith

        One, it’s not a private company, it’s a public authority, and more than half of its operating budget comes from taxes, not what we riders pay at the farebox. Everyone in Pennsylvania, whether or not they ride, chips in to keep SEPTA running.

        Two, the agency has for the last six years or so neglected needed infrastructure spending in order to keep service at the levels we need – the service you and your fellow workers operate. SEPTA could have slashed that too, and where would you – and riders like me – have been then?

        Three: Are the top brass paid too much? I can’t honestly say one way or the other, but I see no signs that the folks who run this agency are livin’ large while everyone on the front lines starves.

        Many of the people who board your buses and trains – including me – have had to adjust to diminished circumstances. Neither the economy nor SEPTA’s balance sheet have come back that much yet. Look what had to happen just to get stable transportation funding through Harrisburg. Sheesh, I’d love to have fringe benefits of any kind. May I borrow yours?

        • Twu and prou

          Matt if it takes a thug to get me what I deserve than I like the rest of the union will support Willie. What’s wrong did you apply and not get hired. Bitter table of one
          If you think those salaried positions don’t get bonuses your nuts

          • sick of the insults

            Glad u can join meThanks cause there just angry at the union they know everything about Septa at least they think they do. Get me my CORPORATE RAISE WILLIE BROWN

          • Twu and prou

            The public only know what they read. So I don’t blame them to much. What if they new about swings we don’t get paid for. Or how we only get paid ten minutes to report and do paperwork and pretrip vehicle and get out the door but it’s a three minute walk to the blocker than another few minutes to get bus and just a few left to do a proper pretrip.
            Unskilled labor hahahaha we might not be brain surgeons but unskilled kiss my ass. If we weren’t skilled there would be accidents killing hundreds of people each day because of just the outside distractions like being cut off, people jumping off the curbs in front of us plus all the inside noise. Crying babies, music, fights, loud talking oh and my favorite the gum snapping. We can go on all day but with out us this city is at a stand still. When was the last time you thanked an operator instead of acting like we owe you money

          • Whowe

            “When was the last time you thanked an operator instead of acting like we owe you money”.

            I thank my driver every chance I get, but that is besides the point. Are you going to stop demanding more money when more people say thank you? Why do you act like we owe you money? SEPTA is a PUBLIC service that relies on PUBLIC funding to continue operating. When you strike, the public gets f*cked over every which way. SEPTA shuts down, the prices go up and much needed improvements (electronic payment options for instance) never happen.

          • Twu and prou

            If you thank your operator than you are a rare commodity. My regular passengers love me because I know where they get on and off. I look for them before I pull off. And I tell almost every passenger that gets off the front doors to be safe and have a good day. Also I have never had an accident and I have an average of 87 percent on time. I also clean my bus every trip and spray disinfectant to make it smell better. I go above and beyond to make my passengers comfortable. I personally hope not to go on strike. But the misconception that my job is overpaid and easy is crazy. You be safe and have a goodnight. Not all bus drivers are equal and the same

          • Whowe

            I don’t think you’re overpaid in the slightest. But I also do not think you are underpaid. You work for a company that has a negative public perception. You can be the coolest, cleanest and nicest bus driver; but strikes, lack of infrastructure improvements, price hikes, etc. isn’t going to make that perception any better. Ask someone that works for Comcast what’s the first reaction they get when someone asks them what they do. Guaranteed it’s probably the same reaction you get. But that is your choice to work for a company with a bad rap, I don’t think you should be paid more for it. I’m happy to hear you are not for the strike, the strike does nothing to help the situation, it just delays it for another couple years while inconveniencing the public every step of the way.

          • Mister_Crowley

            Oh boo hoo…try getting shot at and dodging IEDs in a combat zone. When I was a soldier I made less money than you do now, in a much more dangerous job, yet I did my job because of service to country.

            $54,000 a year, plus benefits is just fine.

          • angry man

            Yeah, try getting shot at with NO WEAPONS, ARMOUR, or BULLET PROOF VESTS.

            Much respect for your service bro but you’re talking about a combat war zone. No comparison not fair to compare the two.

          • http://blog.philadelphiarealestate.com/ Sandy Smith

            I make a point of thanking my operator whenever I exit the bus by the front door. And I don’t think anyone who works for SEPTA “owes me money.” I just don’t think they’re a bunch of “greedy fat cats” at 1234 Market Street, either.

            I do understand that this job is more stressful than many riders know, and anyone who calls SEPTA bus and train operators “unskilled” deserves all the ridicule we can heap on them.

            If SEPTA engages in the sorts of practices that the poster above alleges the NY MTA did, then I too would be upset. But a number of audits of the agency over the recent past have shown that SEPTA has actually been a good steward of the public funds entrusted to it.

            Given that, I find the rhetoric that paints SEPTA management as living high on the hog, and the agency as sitting on a pile of cash, doesn’t ring true and thus undermines legitimate grievances TWU 234 may have.

          • Ken Hamilton

            They need to fire your asses the moment the contract is over and you refuse to work, hell just fire your ass anyway, start over.

        • Paul Santiago

          I work for MTA in New York & SEPTA is no different. I have been working for over 25 years @ the.MTA and they are NEVER willing to do the right thing for their employees…. NEVER. The Forman at MTA worked the last 4 years without a contract while the MTA sat on a 1.5 BILLION dollar surplus. Gas,food,heating oil ect.. prices went up the last 4 years not to mention property &.school tax.. motor vehicle fees…. you name it & the price went up. You would think that knowing this the MTA would get the contract settled ASAP for everyones benefit bit instead they do the opposite & drag things out as long as possible. Keep this in mind… while your sleeping SEPTA employees ate working so you have a safe & clean bus,train or trolley to get to work. They sacrifice time with their families birthdays,weddings ect…bus drivers average life span after retirement is 5 years due to the stress associated with driving a bus. they sometimes work under conditions that most people wouldn’t. And they have to threaten or actually go on strike because their employer doesn’t want to EVER give them anything. You have to walk a mile in our shoes….. Oh and did I mention the time the MTA got caught with two books? One for use before a contract is settled showing them operating in the red & one for use after,showing them operating in the black! That’s how low The’ll stoop to deny us a wage increase.

          • Ambrose Milner

            Paul……amen!!!! And to add to your point, nymta don’t even give the operators up in NYC the respect they deserve, if they did they would honor y’all with a decent contract. Septa is the same way, that’s why we have to strike!

          • http://sictransitphiladelphia.org/ Michael Noda

            Please don’t tar SEPTA with the MTA’s brush without citing your sources. Unlike New York, we can run a transit system here in Philadelphia without running up $33 billion in debt. (That “surplus” you mention was a temporary gimmick that let Andrew Cuomo and the NYS Legislature stick MTA with more state debt, not a real surplus.)

            I’m all for workers getting a fair shake, but right now the best allies management has in the PR battle are the workers themselves, and speaking as someone whose family has deep union roots, that’s just tragic.

      • Twu and prou

        Our unions might seem greedy to most.. But at your jobs don’t you want more wages and better benefits oh and wouldn’t you like to retire and be able to live comfortable after working hard for 30 yrs. if any of you answer no you are a liar.
        We get blasted because we want all the

        • http://www.philadelinquency.com Christopher Sawyer

          Guess who deals with traffic conditions and weather conditions: people who commute and DON’T use SEPTA. Boo the fuck hoo. The only real gripe you have is when you have to take a piss and you’re nowhere near the turnaround and the next 5 stops where you could get out the porters haven’t cleaned the bathrooms in weeks. That’s it–that’s about the only gripe you got. I can’t wait until the labor exemptions to those healthcare cadillac plans expire and then you get to shovel part of the tax. Oh you’ll be bawling when that day comes. And liability suits? Please—the people who play the SEPTA Lotto sue SEPTA, not the drivers. The personal injury lawyers aren’t looking to extract money from the bus driver when they’re after SEPTA cash. The union is there to protect you when management does a dumbass maneuver to terminate your employment–but to threaten a strike a month out from contract end is just stupid. I was here during the last 3 SEPTA strikes honey; the public had no TWU sympathy the last 3 times, what makes you think the next time will be any different?

          • Twu and prou

            Guess i deal with traffic twice as much then. Because i drive my own vehicle to and from work. You have no idea what we deal with. What you see is nothing. Why don’t you ride a specific line like the 14 or the 18 or the R for a 12 hour shift and see what its really like.
            More people fail at our jobs than make it because it takes a special person to deal with know it alls like yourself everyday!

          • Byron C Mayes

            If you hate the public so much, why are you in a job that requires that you deal with the public? Truck drivers make good money and they don’t have to deal with passengers.

          • Twu and prou

            Never once did I say I hate anybody. But it’s very easy for all of you to judge us. If you were in our shoes you also would want more. Have a good day all.

          • Theresa Rooney

            these people have shity jobs and that’s why they are so pissed! ther has to be a reason why they don’t have3 a decent job! And if they did they would stop crying!

      • Stephanie Zimmerman

        I have a family member that works at SEPTA and he was hit with a dead cat, had the fire extinguisher shot in his face and many more since he’s been there since 98

        • matthew brandley

          Its the ghetto trash that rides septa that makes the system unsafe

          • Twu and prou

            Most valid point you have said yet. But septa makes us pick up everyone including drunks and junkies. This job would be safer if we could refuse service to some. But as long as they pay they ride!!

          • skilled operator

            we have cameras watching us and what we do, we get fired for something management didn’t like, the way you stop the bus or curbed the bus,people walking into the side of your bus, we get fired cause we didn’t see this person in the blind spot. everything is our fault. you can have 40 years with the company spotless record one mishap your gone! They don’t care! That is why we are a union.

        • Ken Hamilton

          Boo Hoo, if you can’t stand working FOR the public find a job that you don’t have to deal with them. Too freaking bad.

      • matthew brandley

        IF they had the money then why would they be begging the state for more, cutting back service on almost every bus route to the old standards? Take the route 58 for example. use to run to the county line on sundays almost every 2 0 min now every half hour with a 40 min gap just like years ago. again they inherited a aging infrastructure from conrail you moron! bridges , electric sub station cantenary , tracks, depots, station all need to be replaced for safety reasonsbefore they fail. again union goon, thug its not all about you clowns

      • They_Call_Me_Bruce

        What company? SEPTA gets most of its money from my pocket and I am just about tapped out.

      • john

        Not trying to be rude or anything but you guys really don’t deserve nothing.Half of the time your late picking people up inconviencing people from where they need go The drivers are ignorant especially the women they can’t drivr they are always late you keep raising the fares and like the guy said matthew you’ll want more money benefits you’ll should be happy you got a job and be thankful.i understand that willie brown dosent give a damn about the public and how they are going to get from point a to point b bit neither do the septa.drivers or septa period so people are going to suffer lose out on money from they’re jobs because you guys wanna strike because you think you’ll should be entiltled to more everybody else pay little for med insurances and others things what makes you’ll so special youll make me sick.i wish there was another trans system a better one then the trashy one we got now.

      • Ken Hamilton

        You get paid mostly from TAX dollars, if it were a FOR PROFIT business it MIGHT be a different story, SEPTA is a quasi-public agency that gets hefty infusions of money from Federal, State, and Local TAX dollars, they inherited a crumbling system that needs major repairs, all the greedy unions see is the State setting up a stable source of public transit money and now they want a bigger suck at the public teat. That state funding should go to fixing and upgrading the system, not in your fat ass pockets.

      • Busdriver

        yes it is fair to be paid the same for someone w 15 years versus 4 years getting paid same. You are in a union and thats how it works. You and your own people agreed to it. It’s called a contract. What do you want everyone to negotiate there own deal? Some work harder than others and some are more skilled than others but thats just how it is w unions. Hard to get rid of ones that suck at their job. Good and bad to unions. Some call it socialism but I have been in one and prefer it than not having one to protect me from unscrupulous management. If you didnt have one your wages/benefits would be much less. And Fat Cats always eat first in any industry.

    • Ambrose Milner

      You are clueless!!!!!

      • matthew brandley

        why is it when somebody points out the facts you call them clueless? wow . Guess I am to educated

        • Ken Hamilton

          Because the truth hurts

    • nathanael

      You are so right my husband works for septa also

  • GE

    I can’t wait to see the people’s reaction to this “playing hardball” by the unions. They’re certainly not going to blame SEPTA. They’re going to take it out on the unions. When Union perception is at an all time low (at least in Philadelphia), one would think Union representation would do everything in its power to improve upon that perception, not drive it further into the ground

    • Veillantif

      People may not be too fond of the unions but they sure love to vote for the politicians who enable them.

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    • http://chirpchirpchirp.chirp/ chirp chirp

      chirp chirp people love transit & teachers unions, don’t like building & trades

      • Northeaster

        No one loves the transit unions and the teachers unions are losing popularity massively.

  • Literal_Jim

    Another union making themselves look bad. Enough with the union thugs. Anyone remember when the plumber’s union in Philly sued the builders of the Comcast tower because they were installing waterless urinals and their members wouldn’t be running water lines to the back of them??? They won. The union successfully got the plumbers the right to run water lines to the back of urinals THAT DON’T USE WATER. Nothing but bullies & thugs.

  • BH Obama

    If you like your trolley schedule, you can keep your trolley schedule. PERIOD.

  • sick of the insults

    How about you all come work for septa & see how you feel about how they play with your benefits. How about working for a company for 30years and you die, if your not married they (SEPTA) keeps your pension that you work hard for. How about if you have children or a companion they don’t collect on your hard work. I should be able to leave my pension to whom ever I choose as the beneficiary. They have been cashing in on the one who wasn’t married for years. Then once you retire you only get health insurance for 3 or 4 years. The only benefit is to ride the bus for free when most retirees have cars. LIKE REALLY

    • JS

      I understand what you’re talking about because I work in an organization where the powers that be have done the same exact thing. What you’re describing isn’t something unique to SEPTA. It’s happening EVERYwhere. I agree that the insults need to stop. It’s also very, very important for the unions to take a look at what’s happening across the whole nation instead of just making the assumption that they’re being singled out specifically and then typing in all caps GET READY. Beginning negotiations with a thinly veiled threat such as that doesn’t make the process of coming to a middle ground very easy.

    • Debbie Thomas

      Most people who retire don’t even get health insurance for 3 or 4 years from their employers.

      • sick of the insults

        If I gave 30 years your not gonna give 3 or 4 years of medical what gets me with these comments is the hostility you all have about my livelihood & my pension. I would hope you would fight for better wages & not settle for pennies but half of you work at a place were you have to humble yourself & crawl to a corner a piss in your pants when it comes to standing up to your boss cause you have NO union & SCARED to speak up so before you talk about us SEPTA DRIVERS gets some ball & stand up for what you think is the right price for your services & get off the clearance rack & get paid what the job is worth $$$$

        • Debbie Thomas

          I have no hostility whatsoever towards SEPTA drivers. I just don’t happen to like the fact that they want to shut down all forms of public transit and preventing people from getting to work. Do you realize that many of those you will be hurting will be the poor? Also temps, and they are a pretty significant part of the workforce, would miss days and therefore not get paid. Why not just find out where the SEPTA management lives and go in front of their homes and protest. It might surprise you that I am also in favor of the management at 1234 Market taking some cuts in the benefits. All should sacrifice. I know that at my employer I get frustrated because the people who are paid lower wages are laid off and the hiring of those who earn 6 figure salaries continues. Another thing that you guys have is job security. No worries about a bus driver having their job outsourced overseas, nor do you have to worry about automation taking over what was done manually.

        • Ken Hamilton

          You forget you’re on the public teat, most of you wages come to SEPTA in the form of subsidies from taxes we pay to the city and state, so technically we’re paying you greedy bastards twice. You should all be fired as soon as the current contract is over and refuse to work.

    • matthew brandley

      Its the same thing with ss benefits! stop your crying you union crybaby. typical union whiner. wha wha wha. sounds like a obama liberal. entitled to everything for nothing

  • OG

    They really need to make these strikes illegal, since public
    transportation is an essential service. The greedy TWU unions have it
    too good already anyway, and have been holding SEPTA back for decades.

    I’d say fire them all, like what Reagan did with the air traffic controllers.

    • sick of the insults

      Well it NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!! I thinks some of you are made because u didn’t get hire with SEPTA & we don’t need a degree to make good money!!

      • http://www.philadelinquency.com Christopher Sawyer

        No but we vote and since SEPTA is a state agency, maybe Tom Corbett can step up. Perhaps he should. HINT.

      • Philly57

        Are you really that big of an idiot. I am terrified knowing that you possibly will either be driving a train, bus, or trolley that I may be a passenger on. Listen, we respect your job, hell some of us really do, but at the end of the day, you work servicing the public. Your service is essential, but YOU are not essential. There are many of people lining up for jobs at SEPTA, the problem is (and well documented at that) that the agency prefers to be understaffed (look at recent regional rail issues). Step up to the plate and realize that NEARLY EVERY OTHER person, INCLUDING those who are the “6figure types” as you so aptly put it are having their benefits slashed. It is a factor of the economic climate. Furthermore, why on earth do you think you have the privilege and importance to hold an entire region hostage because you do not get as you want. Take it up with the SEPTA management, but placing that burden on the entire population is nothing short of ignorant. You are pathetic, your organization (union) is pathetic, and I hope to god all of your asses get fired. You don’t deserve that fat pension check you are sitting on.

      • matthew brandley

        look up douch bag in the dictionary and this clown would be next to it

  • http://www.philadelinquency.com Christopher Sawyer

    We live in your shoes TWU234 we ride SEPTA and have to wait in the hood for you to arrive. Don’t give me this dumbass shit that we don’t know what it’s like. YOU won’t have to walk the 4 miles from home to job each way while you’re on strike like I may have to.

    • sick of the insults

      So go to1234 market and you let the corporate people know how you feel. The 6figure people can play with our benefits & our livelihood. Thats who you need to address not the workers. I dont see nobody complaining about the people run the company who our salary dont even match but a quarter of there salary.

      • Whowe

        Why should you be paid the same amount as a corporate person? I’m not trying to degrade your position, but the people in corporate a) worked their way up from a position similar to yours or b) got an education along with experience to not have to drive a bus around. You’re a bus driver not a director of public relations for SEPTA.

        • Twu and prou

          We should be paid more!!!!

          • Whowe

            You get paid more than enough for what you do. I used to work in 1234 Market, I’ve seen the salary average of a SEPTA employee. Take a look at your salaries in comparison to other states/cities with public transit. Your Union Rep Willie holds the public hostage with SEPTA strikes every few years and couldn’t give two f*cks about the public or you.

          • Twu and prou

            You have no clue com paired to the top ten transit agencies in the U.S and we are the best we are paid below 7 of them and only 2 have a higher cost of living

          • Whowe

            I do have a clue. A new hire gets an average salary of $32K and a veteran has a salary of $52, keep in mind a veteran is like 2+ years. Add to that benefits and a great pension plan and it’s not half bad. What more do you want, do you think you should be make 6 figures driving a bus or a train? Show me the mansions these top execs are living in. Like I’ve said before, I worked in 1234 Market for 3 years, everyone’s suit in there comes from Burlington Coat Factory; ain’t no big shot Calvin Klein suit wearing SEPTA execs fanning theirselves with your money in there.

          • Twu and prou

            I can tell you your figures are not completely accurate. Also I never said all the upper management make six figures. I have friends who are upper management that make about 80k.
            Your figures are close to right but not on a 40 hr week. I personally don’t work O.T so those numbers never applied to me. My 2nd year I made 38k and third 42k and if you worked for septa than you know there is not a job in that company that is over paid. Because if there was you would still be working for septa.
            Those figures you are showing anybody can goggle. But because it is on the net it must be true.

          • hateunions

            Year 2 Making 38k and Year 3 making 42k? Over a 10% raise per year? Heck, sign me up for that….

            Most large corporations have standard raises based on performance/cost of living adjustments of 2-5% year… Why should a Septa worker be any different?

            On top of it, after graduating with my degree, I was making $24,000 before taxes and health insurance premiums. My take home pay was low.. yet, I didn’t have the luxury of striking to earn more than I deserve.

          • Ken Hamilton

            I think there would be many in the Philadelphia area who would beg to differ with your opinion that you are the best. Must be nice to live in that make believe world you and your fellow union goons live in.

        • Two sides to every story

          Here’s a story for you. Septa manager retires, recieved full pension. Goes and hires at a track for similar position. Septa then contracts said man for new project. Septa is now paying that retired employee twice… Did any of that get brought up on the news?

      • matthew brandley

        dear union goon. do you know what living with in your means is? you should try it sometimes like the rest of us normal folks do

        • Twu and prou

          I like nice stuff and love to spoil my wife and kids so maybe I will never make enough but I will never settle for less and for sure won’t settle for them taking away from what I have now. That’s what septa is trying to do

          • matthew brandley

            heres some food for thought and I hope you sleep well on this. The cost of health care has risen 10 pct the past year and the avg american has had to foot the bill out of pocket thanks to the fuer obama. food , clothing , gas everything has gone up while expendable income is now at a 40 year low. the price of beef is at a all time high due to the drought in the west and is about to go up though the stratospher. pensions are bankrupting goverments all over the country. theres companies going bankrupt such as jcp radio shack sears . you should be thankful for what you union clowns have! theres over 90 million people out of work thanks to commie obama re inflating a bubble that should have been left to crash! what septa wants is not much and you clowns have to whine like a bunch of liberal 3 year olds every time you never get your way instead of working with them. you always screw the pubil over why obama keeps screwing us. so you tell me when does it end? when does the greed from the union ever end?

          • Twu and prou

            So what your saying is we should take less and pay more when you agree the cost of living has gone up. Thats exactly why this country needs unions.
            We have jobs so because unemployment is at an all time high we should lay down. You are nuts.

          • matthew brandley

            be gratefull with what you assclowns have now!

    • Twu and prou

      If you don’t want us to strike maybe you should support our cause. Because we will and it could be a long one.

      • http://www.philadelinquency.com Christopher Sawyer

        Fat chance. I’ll switch to bicycle and cancel my Transpass. Maybe decreasing ridership and tighter funds will force management to reign your ass in. I pay for my benefits, I pay 5 figures just in state and local income taxes ALONE and I pay raised fares to go to you pay for the toilet paper you buy to wipe your butt with. Richmond Street will be finished soon and it will be bike lanes the entire way to work. Suck. On. That.

        • Twu and prou

          Peddle peddle peddle

          • Chris

            First of all, twu, judging solely by your use of the English language, it is very obvious that you should have been better educated. Or at least, consult someone else to proofread your remarks. It’s better for PR as well as good for you and your kids. Second, will you be courageous enough, along with Willie Brown, and the rest of your unions’ leadership, to face protesters of your picket lines?

            And, lastly, I’m curious, regarding security – why doesn’t your union petition for far better police presence, as well as beefing up SEPTA police? And taking self-defense classes? And involving citizen groups to supplement all of that? Or even, get licensed to carry a gun??

          • Twu and prou

            Oh when the time comes I will face protestors. I also do have a permit to carry but we are not allowed to have any weapons at work. As far as my grammar or spelling really. Guess I’m over paid for an idiot.
            Guess me being smart didn’t count when I was in the service fighting for this country.
            Anyone can tell someone they are stupid. I’m not the smartest and never claimed to be. But I make my family proud by being a great provider and not sucking the system and playing the victim

          • Byron C Mayes

            Ah there we go: the military card.

            Thank you for your service. It isn’t relevant to this potential strike.

  • James

    replace them with scabs.

  • matthew brandley

    Listen folks. I have taken a behind the scenes tour at septa . I know what goes into running this intermodal transit agency. If you ever have a chance I suggest you take a tour when you are offerd the opportunity. It requires alot from all departments . Now to adress the unions. Greed pure and simple. you already have the best health care , job seurity , benefits , vacation, pensions that money can buy your pension plan is starting to break the back of the transit agency like all goverments and is becoming unsustanable Either you do something about it now to save it or you lose it fools. Its your choice. time you union thugs start paying more for h c like the rest of us. your not obama voters who are entitled to everything for nothing!

    • AreaMan

      So SEPTA employees have good healthcare, job security,benefits, vacation and pensions. And you feel like it should be taken away from them. Sounds like you are penalizing success. Maybe instead of complaining that somebody has it better than you, you can go fight for better healthcare, job security, benefits,vacation and a pension. Stop crying about people that have worked hard and earned it.

      • Ken Hamilton

        Ha. SEPTA Workers working hard, that’s the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

        • AreaMan

          I reckon you don’t read much.

  • Debbie Thomas

    So in order to get what you want, you’re going to prevent people from getting to work? All that will do is create hostility towards the bus drivers. You should be thankful for the benefits that you get. You have a great pension, hardly pay anything for health insurance. A starting salary of $32,000 for driving a bus isn’t too shabby for what I term “unskilled labor”. Experienced drivers can earn $50,000.

    • matthew brandley

      thats what I tried to tell them and they ripped me!

  • Kat

    If you are a SEPTA worker and you go on strike you truly are a Piece of SHIT.
    Yeah, your job is hard, but it is your god-damned job! You knew what you were being hired for! It shouldn’t be a surprise!
    When SEPTA workers decide to have a temper-tantrum and not work you are fucking over thousands of other people and fucking with their jobs!
    That is just fucked up.
    You can’t just have a hissy-fit and leave thousands of people without a way to get to work.
    You have to be a truly fucked up person to be that SELFISH.

    • mamamamamadmadmad

      LoL you are mad

      • Kat

        Yes, I am. Rightfully so I think.
        I usually don’t care what people do at work.
        But when your job is literally to drive some form of Public Transportation than you shouldn’t be allowed to Strike.
        Because by you deciding that you don’t want to do your job, you are putting thousands of people in jeopardy of losing their jobs because they have no way of getting to work.

  • jj

    Try teaching in Philadelphia…..Talk about deserving hazard pay

  • Maria

    I have to say that I’m somewhat neutral on the subject. I have to say that Willie Brown is not exactly somewhat is want representing me, and it does seem that SEPTA workers make a reasonable salary with reasonable benefits. With that being said, I don’t begrudge them their right to strike. Simply put, there is no way I’d ever take a job as a SEPTA driver. Therefore, I feel that they’re worth pretty much whatever they’re asking bc their jobs suck! If you truly feel like the pay and benefits outweigh the job, then I’d strongly encourage all TWU naysayers to fill out an application.

    • Twu and prou

      Well said.

  • enufalready

    ridiculous and outrageous. Just take a look at what a driver makes not only in salary, but overtime, benefits, holidays, vacation and pension and we’re paying for it all in addition to paying to ride the el/bus. Yet they keep gouging us for more. Where does it end?

  • Ambrose Milner

    Im sick of you moronic idiots who talk about our salaries, yet you have no clue what we Septa operators have to put up with. Being cussed at, spit on, insulted and called out of names. Sometimes the public throw piss and feces on us and even shoot at buses and trains. Also we are stressed out over the possibility of being fired for a knock down due to the public not paying attention where they walk, having earphones on, texting and walking out in front of trolleys and buses. WE DESERVE A FAIR DECENT CONTRACT!!!!! ENOUGH SAID!!!!!

    • Ken Hamilton

      Boo Freakin HOO! Don’t like it go find another job, oh wait, you can’t suck on the public Teat at another job, Feck off!

      • Ambrose Milner

        Wait….you must be 10 trying to act tough on your moms phone eh?….why don’t you stop sucking on your family pets twat and get off the short bus and leave grown ups to tend to this businesss

        • Ken Hamilton

          Fuck you, you little bitch, I’m a 45 yrs old worker in cc, Get the hell off the publics teat and get a real fucking job Mafia Union goon, and I could kick your pussy ass BITCH!

    • Louis Marinucci

      Hey there Ambrose its been a while I hope this is settled too because I hate to not be without a way to get to work either.

  • wolf

    I hope you guys go out willie. septa treat the workers like shit while the give themselves raises every yr. the rail side has been without a contract to for 4 yrs

  • Natalie

    Does anyone even know what they are fighting for? I didn’t see that anywhere in this article and digging through the poorly written attack comments below to find this info. I think safety is an important issue to discuss in this contract negotiation, but 11% raises and 11% increases in pension contributions as well as keeping it so employees don’t have to pay anything into health insurance (like was discussed during the last strike) is unreasonable. I have a masters level job that pays about what a SEPTA employee makes and I contribute 50% to my health insurance and can maybe look forward to a 1% raise. I understand the employees wanting to get more but I think it needs to be reasonable. There is no way the person who takes my token on the subway (with horrible customer service skills) should be making more than me and have better benefits than me?

    I do however, hate how the transit workers unions (and unions in general in this city) threaten to strike every chance they get. I start to feel like the strike threat is a way for the union leaders to show their constituents that they are working for them.

    Striking does nothing to reach a reasonable agreement and screws over working people who lose money/days of work. Will the unions work with local grocery stores to offer food to the people who lose money/work because of a transit strike?

    • Ken Hamilton

      Reasonable is something the TWU specifically and unions in general know NOTHING about, just a bunch of legal thugs and mafia, look at the Iron Workers Union members and leaders that just got busted. HA HA HA

  • Titanisha

    Septa has tons of mess with them…running late, not running, riding pass stops…etc. At the end of the day they know all too well how vital their service is to the public and everytime you turn around money is ALL that matters! People get assulted and or attacked/harrased rather you work for septa or not…ignorance and disrespect can be found in all fields of work. If the public didn’t ride “public transportation” septa would simply not be relevant! When do we matter? More money in your pockets and more out of ours…to still be picked up late or passed by! FOH.

  • Louis Marinucci

    To sick of the insults I don’t blame the operators personally at all. Some even said to me that sometimes even the higher ups in the Union can’t be trusted. I personally don’t hate the drivers or other works I just dislike Willie Brown that’s all. I mean I also heard from some operators that the other issue is also privacy when it comes to the cameras watching over them when watching. I support the Union’s case only because of the fact I ride the bus let alone support my friends who are operators.

  • Rupert

    Oh, I can remember the grand old days of Anthony Quill who single handed stopped all transit in the 60s. He and Mayor Tate would go at it for weeks. The stoppage was great when you had to get to your finals at Temple during the winter. Passerbys would stop and give you a lift down Broad St. In those days caring Professors would lock you out of the exam if you were more than 5 min. late.

  • AL M

    What you guys need to do is everything to protect yourselves from the management that will pit the public against you. There is a world wide movement against unions and its easy to get the public to go after bus drivers since its not a respected profession.
    Ignore all the negative publicity and all the union baiting and just strike!
    No its not fair to the public but the people that control the $$$ are the ones to blame for any strike. It’s ok for the oligarchs to get rich off transit but they don’t want the front line workers to have a decent life.
    The strike worked pretty well for BART, it will work for you, just have to ignore all the bad press that you will get when the mainstream media which is owned by the oligarchs go after you

  • faithwalk

    Public sector unions are unsustainable.

  • Denise Tenuto-Ward

    I love the part about them calling local supermarkets to get discounted food they are walking out of their jobs and want discounted food what about the people who were laid off through no fault of their own and their unemployment was cut in December I know about 2 million people would gladly take a septa job

  • Rick

    To the employees of septa. If you don’t think your employers cares about you, get another job….the reason septa is in the shape it’s in is the bloated pension obligations the retires enjoy etc….it’s ludicrous….the rest go us achieves in society have to actually compete daily for our jobs

  • ken guy

    These clowns want to keep those awesome benefits that people would kill to have. Maybe one day you can have a job where people above don’t get to use your brand new shirt to clean their dirty boots. Not only are they trying to protect themselves from decreasing wages and a decent future but maybe one day your kids will get a job with septa and they’ll say guess what I got a good job or you can have the fill out an application at your local Wal-Mart.

  • IFRY

    Test

  • IFRY

    OK. I understand that from someone reading what the media prints does make SEPTA employees seem greedy. What SEPTA management fails to report is that Management upon retirement receives anywhere from 1500 to 2000 dollars per month more pension wise! 234 employees pension is capped and the amount is determined by the highest salary year in the last 3 years of employment. Who wants to be in there 60’s and have to work crazy hours so your pension will be enough to survive. Those last years should be where you slide into retirement and not work so hard you can’t reach retirement or die shortly thereafter. Which happens more than the public knows. Also management receives 100% Sick Pay for the duration of their sick time from day one while 234 employees receive roughly around 50% starting after the 3rd day. Also SEPTA contributes to Management’s IRA. While 234 members receive no contributions! These are the issues that the Union should address especially the pension as there is such a large gap between Management pension and 234 pension. And this is always swept under the door. 234 must look at the financial security down the road and not the singles being flashed in front of their faces by Management to prevent a strike. This is why the public perceives 234 as greedy and exactly what Management wants. They don’t drag their feet to print the base salary of the average 234 member. When was the last time their Managments salaries were presented to the public? Please don’t reply that they work harder than 234 members. Anyone on any job not just SEPTA that deals with the public face to face for 8 hour’s or more is the backbone of that company. And should not be rewarded any less because he/she wears a blue shirt and not a white one especially after they retire!

  • HiggetyPiggety

    $60,000 to DRIVE A BUS ?

    Get this over with.

    Pull the Band-Aid off and let these greedy thugs walk… PERMANENTLY