Three Leftover Thoughts On the Eagles

Dec 29, 2013; Arlington, TX, USA; Philadelphia Eagles cornerback Brandon Boykin (22) celebrates with his teammates on the field after making an interception in the fourth quarter against the Dallas Cowboys at AT&T Stadium. The Eagle beat the Cowboys 24-22. Mandatory Credit: Tim Heitman-USA TODAY Sports

Dec 29, 2013; Arlington, TX, USA; Philadelphia Eagles cornerback Brandon Boykin (22) celebrates with his teammates on the field after making an interception in the fourth quarter against the Dallas Cowboys at AT&T Stadium. The Eagle beat the Cowboys 24-22. Mandatory Credit: Tim Heitman-USA TODAY Sports

Three leftover thoughts before we head to the NovaCare Complex for practice today.

1. I had previously been on the fence in regards to whether Zach Ertz could really be a breakout player in 2014. The issue, to me, was whether he could be a good enough blocker in the run game to stay on the field. Offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur had a telling comment on that topic yesterday.




"It's very important for tight ends, number one, to be efficient blockers," he said. "You don't always have tight ends that are just going to knock them into next Wednesday, but you have to be an efficient blocker, especially if your thing is to catch passes. I think Ertz is developing more and more and more. I see his confidence starting to really build."

Last year, Brent Celek was outstanding blocking in the run game. The point Shurmur is making is it's OK if Ertz doesn't reach that level in 2014 - or really, ever. He was drafted because he can be a weapon in the passing game.

We've talked a lot in this space about the size of the Eagles' pass-catchers. But really, the important thing is knowing how to use that size. And Ertz does that as well as anyone on the roster. He attacks the ball in the air, can box defenders out and is a precise route-runner.

Ertz had five touchdowns in the Eagles' last nine games last year. Four of those came in the red zone where guys have to be able to catch the ball in traffic and make contested catches. Ertz is going to be the most utilized pass-catching weapon the Eagles have in the red zone, and it would not surprise me one bit if he led the team in receiving touchdowns.

2. Sometimes, football can be really complicated. Eleven guys asked to all complete their assignments in unison. Different formations and play-calls. Athletes of different shapes and sizes.

Other times, it's relatively simple. For example, if you took someone who had only been watching football for a week and asked him to sit in on yesterday's practice and tell you who the best cornerback on the field was, he would have easily been able to come up with an answer: Brandon Boykin.

The fan favorite played with an edge and was everywhere: getting physical with Jordan Matthews, swatting the ball down in front of B.J. Cunningham, out-muscling Josh Huff in the end zone for an interception.

Of course, Boykin's ability is not a revelation after the year he turned in last year. He's as sure a tackler as the Eagles have on defense. His ball skills are unmatched (only four defensive backs had more combined INTs/passes defensed last year). And his athleticism is off the charts.

Yet for roughly half the snaps last year, on a defense that finished 23rd according to Football Outsiders, Boykin was on the sideline watching. We know the reasons. Chip Kelly sees the wide receiver position getting bigger. He believes big people beat up little people. And Billy Davis wanted Boykin to master the nickel role (which he did).

But what about 2014? Yesterday, we wrote about how the Eagles might stay in base more this season. Kelly and Davis obviously know more football than me, but if good coaching comes down to figuring out ways to best utilize your personnel, I have to think there's a way to get Boykin more snaps. Sure, maybe he'd be at a disadvantage against Dez Bryant or Brandon Marshall. But is that going to happen on a weekly basis?

Really, what we're talking about here is a couple inches. The Eagles are fine going with 5-11 guys on the outside, yet they won't give the 5-9 athletic playmaker a shot out there. A role where Boykin started on the outside and then moved inside in nickel doesn't seem to be an option.

I asked Matthews yesterday what makes Boykin so good. His answer? "Intelligence."

The old adage goes that you don't want to build a team of exceptions. But in certain cases, it makes sense to adapt to personnel. I think it's time to push Boykin and see how much the Eagles can get out of him, rather than not give him a shot at all to earn more playing time.

3. A couple weeks ago, I asked Davis why the Eagles made the decision to go with a two-gap 3-4 in the first place.

"Well, a lot of it has to do with stopping Chip's offense in the spread," he said. "They make you leave the box, and when you're in the 4‑3, it's much harder. You don't have as much versatility to handle the bubbles and the width. When you're in the 3‑4 with the two standup outside backers, you can expand your defense.

"So the 3‑4 really fits not only what he's doing; it's also my history and the majority of what I've done. It's what worked best at Oregon. We combined all... we just kind of sat down and kind of collectively said what's the best for the Philadelphia Eagles and the division we play in and how we want to go forward, and the 3‑4 is by far what we feel most comfortable with."

As others have pointed out, the two-gap 3-4 takes away some of the numbers game that Kelly employs on offense because the defensive linemen eat up multiple blocks.

Not a lot of teams in the NFL play a two-gap 3-4. It'll be interesting to see going forward if defenses start to trend that way.

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  • DEsports

    Couldn’t agree more on Boykin. You have to see what he can do on the outside on a consistent basis. He’s your best playmaker and he needs to see the field more. No questions asked.

    • Anonymous

      The more i read about Boykin the more I think, assuming good health and another excellent season, he is traded after the year. He isn’t going to get a shot outside for the Eagles barring a catastrophic rash of injuries and likely won’t resign after 2015 to just be a slot corner. They’ll have him mentor Watkins this year so he can take over the slot next season while flipping Boykin for picks at the draft to a team who isn’t as gung ho about size.

      • Amar, CB who bought in

        Exactly my thoughts, they brought in 5-11 Jaylen Watkins to serve as a future substitute over Boykin.
        Boykin gives his 110% even when he is not playing the position of his liking. Imagine what he will be when he does. Can’t coach passion, hustle and nose for the ball.

  • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

    Sheil, now that you’re officially on board with pushing Boykin and getting him a shot on the outside because he’s our best DB/playmaker, can you please tell us what it is that you writers see that makes Carroll over Fletcher and not Williams the consensus among you all? You guys have media access so you see more than us. I know Cary’s become a vocal leader of the D, but that doesn’t excuse sub-par play on the field. Hell, Avant was a leader as the 3rd WR. Is Cary outplaying the hell out of Fletcher in camp? Is it Fletcher’s injury concerns? Give us something. Anything. I need to know this information.

    • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

      I think Fletch and Cary are who they are. Not spectacular, not particularly dynamic. Just rangy, athletic corners. Unfortunately, none of that will help Boykin grow 2 inches.

      • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

        Sad, but true, my good man. Although, Boykin seems to be rangy for a guy his stature.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      my best guess is durability. Fletcher has 2 blown knees and did miss 4(?) games last yr, or major parts of. dont think there’s a huge difference between CW and BF (though agree with most BF played better more often, but both left something to be desired at times).

      • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

        Agreed, and injury/durability is the thing I always come back to when asking the question. But even still, if I’m sticking to the height requirements, I’d rather start my two best tall corners and have CW as a 3rd when one goes down.

      • anon

        plus i think BF doubles his DPI calls this year

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          true. think other thing CW does better keep everything in front of him (and at times to a frustrating level). Fletcher is little more hot and cold, and can get beat deep. see how Williams is when/if he can play tighter coverage with hopefully improved safety play.
          .
          now i need to shower, feel dirty after 2 straight posts of defending CWills.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            Shower for not calling him by his proper name, Sconces.

  • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

    Good point about the matchup vs Dez Bryant and Marshall. Here’s what I’d like to see: Boykin plays about 1/2 the snaps, lets increase it without making him a full time starter outside. Tyrann Mathieu is the same size and plays over 70% from the slot corner position. Arizona just does a better job moving him around. I’m not suggesting giving him snaps at safety, but I’d rather see Fletcher or Carroll or Allen come off the field before Boykin.

    • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

      Don’t forget CW

    • aub32

      They are the same height, but Mathieu has about 15lbs on Boykin. Some teams viewed him as a defacto safety. Also, you wonder if he loses snaps this season with Cromartie being brought in as they now have 2 legit CBs.

      • anon

        seems like based on TM at E Thomas Boykin is 15lbs away from being a great safety.

        • TNA

          Davis already calls him a nickel linebacker. (but that’s probably based on literal positioning)

      • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

        true, and again, I don’t want to see him getting snaps at safety. and I don’t think the Eagles will ever make him a starting corner. what I do want (and this falls within the realm of the possible) is a 10 to 15% increase in snaps.

        • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

          Rather see snaps at safety if that’s what it takes to keep him off the bench. Sure tackler with freakish athleticism who can cover. Sounds like he might be better than Jenkins already!

    • CrackSammich

      Mathieu is a different beast, in that he is able to still be a force in the run game at his small size. Boykin gets run over. That allowed them to stay in nickle more than we did.

      • JofreyRice

        Boykin’s not a big hitter like Mathieu, but he’s definitely a good tackler. Consider 6’1 Cary Williams made 60 tackles while missing 13. Boykin made 40 and missed 2.

      • aub32

        No. Having players like Daryl Washington and Carlos Dansby helped them stay in nickel. This slot CB thing is getting so overblown. The ILBs and 4 down line shouldn’t get pushed around like kids on roller skates.

    • Eagledelphia

      Height hasnt bothered Brent Grimes much and he is about the same size as Boykin I agree with just letting him see some snaps outside and if it doesn’t work and WRs take his lunch then fine move him back to the slot

      • aub32

        Grimes also doesn’t play in a press man scheme.

        • Eagledelphia

          This is true

        • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

          That doesn’t mean that he never has to cover guys 1 on 1 though.

          • anon

            Means he doesn’t have to worry about a WR tossing him at the LOS.

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            Boykin doesn’t have to jam receivers to play press. Keep away just enough to still cover and stay with a guy. And while we may be working to play more press this year, wasn’t exactly something we did a ton last year, w/ CW giving 8yd cushions.

          • aub32

            So keep away from a guy who already has a height and reach advantage, but still make a play on the ball. Gotcha

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            Yeah man, run 5 yards off of him and just close because it’s easy and exactly like I said…. Or, instead of going up to jam him, just take a step back to not get too close to be tossed aside.

          • aub32

            Sarcasm? I really can’t tell.

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            Damn, I laid it on pretty thick there (or so I thought). Thought you’d catch it.

          • aub32

            Haha I’ve read some crazy comments the last few days with all the camp hype. It’s hard to tell this time of year.

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            Yeah, plus everyone’s getting fired up and wants to see things go the way they think they should. Myself included. Completely understand.

    • jmkrav

      Right, but they also face a few teams with smallish starting WR or 3WR base offense. In New York ODB is only 5’11, obviously Djax twice a year. Also on the schedule this year are: Tavon Austin, Percy Harvin, and Randall Cobb. IMO boyKING needs to flow those guys everywhere they go.

      • aub32

        First off our defense is being built to mirror itself. Our CBs do not switch sides. Second, I don’t know where this idea that Boykin would be a good match for Jackson comes from. I’ve seen them go one on one. It’s no contest. Harvin is just as dangerous, and he’s bigger than Boykin.

    • shady25

      I get what you’re saying. Stay in base and pull Nate Allen off the field instead of Boykin. I like that idea. Who knows, we might start to see that as the season goes on. You have to get that guy on the field. I understand what Chip and Billy Davis want to do. Press man on the outside and be aggressive with the longer corners. I still think your best players need to play, exceptions need to be made for special players.

    • Amar, CB who bought in

      I think they forgot the Richard-Shermanesque pass defended by Boykin in the Dallas game vs Dez Bryant.

  • TNA

    A role where Boykin started on the outside and then moved inside in nickel doesn’t seem to be an option.

    I hope this is where the Eagles are headed and I thought this is what Davis said was the long-term plan mid-season last year. That said, I would rather keep Williams and Fletcher on the field and instead take off Wolff/Allen, leaving Jenkins as the single safety. Or put Wolff/Allen on the field when giving DeMeco a breather against a pass-heavy offense. For example, against the Washington football team, they’ll likely match up better against RGIII, DeSean, Garcon, Reed and Roberts with a faster nickel/dime defense and force them to beat them with Morris.

    • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

      You’re not fooling anyone TNA, you just want to watch Boykin lay out DeSean.

      • TNA

        Q1: Kendricks laying out DeSean on an end around.
        Q2: Boykin beating alligator arms DeSean to the ball for a pick-6
        Q3: CW getting in a fight with DeSean and both getting tossed.
        Q3: Carroll steps in for CW.
        Q4: Boykin ripping off Reed’s arms.
        Q4: Carroll picking off a desperation duck from RGIII to end the game.

        • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

          sitting here, reading that, I think it may have moved

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXvPqOGujXc

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

            excellent.

            that’s the sign! the test!

        • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

          Boykin ripping off Reed’s arms and then beating him with them, a la Billy Bob.

          • Say No to Marc Mo From Easton

            If that needle goes anywhere NEAR Wendell’s leg… I’ll rip your arms off and beat you to death with ‘em!

  • DirtyWaters

    Kelly and Davis obviously know more football than me, but if good coaching comes down to figuring out ways to best utilize your personnel, I have to think there’s a way to get Boykin more snaps.

    Sheil, I hope those guys know more about football than they know about you. Otherwise, that’s just a little creepy.

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

    Sheil, with respect to your last point: even if that becomes a new trend, so to speak, it will take NFL teams a few years to really mold their rosters towards a 34. We were blessed getting Barwin, Demeco, and Cole making a (relatively) easy transition. Plus, Ced Thornton seemed to thrive in 34. But it is already hard to find OLBs with 34 skillsets (rush/cover), and the big mobile NTs are as rare as elite QBs.

    I think what we’re more likely to see is the lines blurring between LB/SS (more guys in a Kam Chancellor type role), and bigger ILBs who can run with some of these freak TE athletes.

    • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

      Yeah, I think the caveat is the two-gap vs one-gap 3-4/4-3 under. Seems that it’s easier to play that hybrid that we thought we’d play last year and find parts for that system than it is to find true 2-gappers.

  • Bird of Prey

    The only question about Boykin is can you re-sign him? The pay for a nickel CB is less than a regular CB, and he’s going to get paid somewhere and will have the offer to move outside as well. He’s the perfect Nickel CB, and probably the best player on the defense. It will be interesting at the end of next year when his contract is up.

  • Eagledelphia

    I really believe that this height baseline for corners that Chip refuses to break to give Boykin a chance is kind of ridiculous 2 inches is such a marginal difference especially when you have a high vertical like Boykin

    • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

      I keep telling my girlfriend that.

    • Clamdigger

      While I sort of agree, you also have to take his shorter arms in to consideration. Not every throw is a jump ball and you need to be able to disrupt the catches of bigger receivers, which often times requires reaching around their body.

  • aub32

    Sure, maybe he’d be at a disadvantage against Dez Bryant or Brandon Marshall. But is that going to happen on a weekly basis?

    Reggie Wayne
    Dez Bryant/ Terrance Williams (6’2″)
    Rueben Randle (6’2″) (also who covers Cruz?)
    Larry Fitzgerald (6’3″)/ Michael Floyd (6’2″)
    Michael Crabtree/Anquan Boldin (Not as tall but much bigger)
    Jordy Nelson (6’3″)/ Jarrett Boykin (6’2″)
    Kelvin Benjamin (6’7″)
    Andre Johnson

    That’s 10 out of the 16 weeks that Boykin’s height and size could play a factor in his ability to cover. Keep I mind that several of these teams are likely playoff teams, and I am not including the Bears two towers or the 2 guys down in ATL.

    • anon

      tell em

    • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

      excellent point

    • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

      So that’s 10 out of 16 weeks that we get to see CW smoked despite having the appropriate size to defend these guys. Quite possibly the same for Fletcher, who’s marginally better than CW. Even Curtis Marsh with his requisite size would get smoked by these guys. So is there really harm in seeing if Boykin can do better, alongside Carroll who seems to be the best of our big corners? Also, KB is 6’5″. Just so it’s clear, I’m obviously not rooting against anyone to fail in favor of proving the point. Just going off of what I saw last year, and that was two corners who played their part in a bad pass D, one of which was a little better than the other.

      EDIT: Barnwell’s article about the new monsters of the midway indicated that Marshall saw over 260 snaps from the slot last year. It’s a trend that slots are going to get bigger. Colston, Boldin, Marshall, even Fitz now Matthews. Let’s say we extend Boykin two years, and this trend continues. What’s the solution then? Bench Boykin so we don’t have a height disadvantage? The whole notion is ridiculous. Size helps, but talent wins. Yes, I’m aware there is a little hyperbole, but it doesn’t make the point invalid.

      • JofreyRice

        Great point. Whether it’s height related or not, 95% of CBs in the NFL are going to be at a disadvantage against Dez Bryant or Brandon Marshall or Larry Fitz. Because they’re awesome players.

        • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

          They’re only HOF caliber receivers. No big deal. Stick the tall guy on him. It’ll totally neutralize their talent because height.

    • jabostick

      I also think that Williams and Fletcher are at a disadvantage against Dez and Marshall.

      • Will, Always Shady

        They actually played well against the Bears last year and Cary did a good job on Dez…

        • jabostick

          Agreed but my point is when people mention mismatches because of size and use Megatron, Dez and Co, – well, they’re mismatches for everyone because they’re really good.

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            Wait, you mean guarding the 5 best WRs in the league is tough for anyone? Who would have thought?
            NOTE: Sarcasm not directed at you, but at people who think they’d give just Boykin trouble because he’s not 6’3″.

          • aub32

            That’s why I didn’t just mention Dez and Megatron. I mentioned all the tall WRs that we are scheduled to face this year, just to show how likely height will come into play.

        • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

          They were in obviously passing downs most of the game.

        • dnabrice

          We got ahead so quickly, we were able to play with the safeties back, which helped neutralize things.

    • Tom w

      Nice job. Boykins stats last year are also skewed because he typically played against the third best or fourth best or fifth best wr on a given time … Not the ones or twos who played outside. He also played against the smaller wrs. Just last week I saw momah take him deep on the sideline and go up about 8 inches higher than Boykin for a deep ball. And that’s momah. What do you think dez or Marshall or megatron or randle or Jeffrey or Nelson or vjax or mevans or Benjamin or Julio or fitz or Floyd or decker or Bryant is gonna do to him. Plus you aren’t taking into account at all that Boykin is barely if at all asked to play press coverage in the slot whereas Davis asks fletch and cwill to do that often on the outside. And just last week you said Carroll was playing better than the rest of cbs throughout camp and the spring.

      • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

        So you cite the play Momah made but then not the one where Boykin got the best of him despite being 10 inches shorter? And we actually hardly pressed last year.

        • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

          anytime Mohmah makes a play, its an accident.

        • peteike

          exactly, I aint buying the height BS. Sure, it will play out at times but its not the end all be all. Dude is super athletic and can jump, its more about position and speed than height. He can get his hands in there to break up a pass if hes always around the WR. A lesser corner cannot and is beat by steps, not inches.

  • Adam G

    Smolenski was on WIP and said Eagles were working with league to change back to kelly green. Makes sense following the divorce. Fans will be excited, to say the least.

    • NCBiRDMann22

      That’s a terrible lie if its not true!

      • Adam G
        • NCBiRDMann22

          This is the best news all day!

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            we’ll see. we all know what’s going to drive this decision. hint: it’s not sentimentality. they use the Kelly Green uniforms as an alternate jersey and local fans will continue to buy them. if the market research indicates midnight is more popular, it stays our color.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            Does it take into consideration all products sold? Maybe this is why the proshop has been flooded with retro gear…

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            well, its why they made the change in the first place. we’ll see.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            True…the retro gear is everywhere. Don’t understand the distain for the Kelly green.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I would be very interested in a mix of old and new. I think in the right design the brighter kelly green would be a great accent to the midnight green. I just want to see a design change that defies the normal ho-hum. Gimme some digital camo to add texture. Something bold but not gaudy.

          • Adam G

            I think they made the change in the first place because Christina Lurie hated the color kelly green.

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            That or she just wanted to exert some influence. Don’t know much about her, but football decisions probably weren’t her forte.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            give her some props. the Vera Wang uniforms gave the Eagles’ cheerleaders instant cache for a few years.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            you almost had me for a second with that one. you know what’s funny? I actually had this conversation with somebody yesterday who made that the crux of his argument. The truth is, Eagles jerseys weren’t selling. They made the switch to sell more. Mission accomplished. So the only way they change back is if the market research says to do it.

          • Adam G

            Ooorrrr, she said so herself:

            “It’s been an interesting road. It’s been a really exciting road, but it’s been an interesting road. We both learned a lot on site.”Like how Philadelphians love their hoagies. And how they loved kelly green. Not that that mattered.

            “When we bought the team, Jeffrey and I were like, ‘We can’t live with the kelly green color.’ ”

            Yeah, so the truth is, the owner’s wife hated the color, so the color was changed. I mean, that happens a lot in life. Happy wife, happy life, no?

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            So you really think the billion dollar corporation changed the most recognizable aspect of their brand on a whim? Clearly you have google, you can look that up too. it wasn’t a secret. They lagged in jersey sales. That’s why they made the change. If they go back, it’s going to be for the same reason.

          • Adam G

            Actually when he bought the Eagles they were 195 million, but yes. Any change will obviously bring more jersey sales because people get new jerseys. But they were middle of the pack. 13th in jersey sales, which I think is usually their number. They certainly aren’t in the top 10 now. So I think maybe you could look at the evidence provided by google and conclude, yes, it was Christina Lurie hating the color, which she mentioned A LOT.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            ok. sorry for giving you too much credit.

          • Adam G

            Must be nice to not let facts get in the way of your narrative. I should try that out sometime.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      know i’m in minority here, but i cant stand the kelly green

      • Adam G

        I like it less than the majority, but the fan base is def on the side of loving the kelly green.

      • Eagledelphia

        Hey I’ll join the kelly green haters team sign me up

      • OverreacSean Jackson, #culture

        What if they modernized it though? There was a guy who did concept jerseys not too long ago. I’ll have to get off my phone and find the link…

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          modernize what…kelly green is an ugly color, to my eyes. i would never wear the color. actually, the only 2 pieces of Eagles gear i wear are a hoodie and a long sleeve heavy t-shirt, and neither are real Eagles colors, just a darker green not midnight green either. in general, green isnt my favorite color.

          • OverreacSean Jackson, #culture

            Oh ok. If you don’t like green I understand. For what it’s worth, here is the link I was referring to.

            http://www.jessealkire.com/nfl/#/eagles/

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            not bad. i was picturing the 80’s uni’s. pants are pretty cool looking. much better white uniforms then now, that’s for sure.

          • Robert Baer

            Oh sheesh. I think those look like a HS or College team’s uniform.

            I like this concept but with this white helmet.

          • JofreyRice

            They should call it catholic green.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

            I’m not a jersey guy at all, but I’ll never own a better hoodie:

            http://nflshop.frgimages.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=%2FproductImages%2F_1050000%2Fff_1050760_xl.jpg&w=400

            bring it back, Lurie

          • peteike

            anyone remember the tee shirt with the eagle pooping on the Dallas helmet. I want one of those

          • RIP illa

            Booooooooo!!!!
            Lol

        • Eagledelphia

          Kelly Green just isn’t a modern color to me it seems almost too retro to work in a modern day professional color scheme. Those mockups done last year or the year before weren’t bad but I couldn’t stand that color full time

          • OverreacSean Jackson, #culture

            Like I said to Cliff below, for what it’s worth, here is the link.

            http://www.jessealkire.com/nfl/#/eagles/

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

            nice, I just found that link myself.

            I like the new BAL, BUF, HOU, and NO.

            the PHI jersey? my first thought seeing the shoulder wings was “Oregon”. meh.

            I did find this, courtesy of Google:

            http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg180/bohob_4_life/NFL%20Re-Designs/a_samuel_variations.jpg?t=1284579440

          • jabostick

            We might as well be the Roughriders ha.

          • MagatBrackendale

            Noooooo!

          • OverreacSean Jackson, #culture

            Yeah it’s definitely got the Oregon influence. What you posted are pretty dope as well. If you do it right, the black alternatives would be awesome.

            Anyway, being a 2000s Eagles fan, I didn’t like the kelly greens when I first saw them. But if they’re modernized like what we’ve posted, I think they’ll be pretty sweet.

          • MagatBrackendale

            Weird. Just yesterday I saw a guy wearing Samuel’s jersey going into a Pizza Hut in a suburb of Vancouver. Quite a young man who might have been from another country.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I don’t like purple, but that BAL mock up is sweet!

          • NCBiRDMann22

            Really sick helmets…I would rep these in a heart beat

          • OverreacSean Jackson, #culture

            I know, right? I also love the wings on the jerseys. I loved it when Oregon came out with them back in the day.

          • Eagledelphia

            That is actually different than the one I was thinking of and I don’t hate them surprisingly enough. I dont like the wings but the pants and helmets aren’t too bad. If the green were a little darker I would like it more

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’ve seen these before. The color is a tad off (dark) though for my liking. I’d prefer a brighter green. I do like the lettering and numbers. The helmet design & shoulder graphic needs a bit more detail that says wings of an eagle.

            I’ve always wanted to see the helmets have the face of the eagle on the front. Kind of like one of the blackhawk goaltender’s had a few years back.

      • CHRIS – CB with dreads

        I have a few of each…black/midnight jersey, all midnight jersey, and a kelly green tshirt..definitely like the midnight green better, but I am of the younger generation so I could be biased.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

        I’d be ok with kelly green and all black alternate (with kelly green trim). Now THAT’s a jersey I’d get

        • RIP illa

          Just as long as we don’t bring back the silver pants. Always hated that combo. Classic Kelly Green and White.

      • RIP illa

        Boooooooo!!!!

      • Amar, CB who bought in

        Why don’t we just stop the c***shoot and switch to Oregon uniform. Also Philadelphia ducks wouldn’t be that bad.

    • Rambler

      Ehh, I like the color, but always hated the helmet design. If they can morph the color with an updated helmet, then I am all for it. I am sure Pope Jordan already has it worked out.

    • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

      Hope it goes through. I only liked the “Midnight” green when it was with the black jerseys. Would love the helmet logo to have the whole eagle carrying the football.

      • MagatBrackendale

        On the West Coast of B.C. eagles are usually seen catching salmon.

    • Andy Six Score and Four

      The bottom line, though, is that these would be alternate unis, worn a few times a year, and right now NFL rules make even that switch impractical.

      Turns out, the Eagles might like for us to see it [Kelly Green], but the league has put in a rule that says you have to wear the same helmet, regardless of what you do with the rest of the uniform. So right now, if the Eagles dressed in kelly green, they’d have to do so with midnight green helmets, which would look silly.

    • dnabrice

      I don’t want to look like the Jets.

      • MagatBrackendale

        Right. Also, Kelly Green will look washed out after Midnight Green. AND, the darker color often signifies greater strength. Many teams use black, dark blue or purple to try to look intimidating

  • aub32

    This whole problem would be solved if Boykin wasn’t so humble. He should brag on twitter about how he’s the best CB in the league. Then have the same year he did last year, and he will be viewed as a top 3 CB. Worked for Sherman

  • Bryan Clayton

    I hate to break the news but either Kapadia doesn’t know what the hell there talking about or Mosher from C
    omcast doesn’t because I just read an article he wrote about Curtis Marsh making a big show at practice making the same three plays. So which one is the idiot ?

    • Andy Six Score and Four

      Niether. Both made plays at practice yesterday. Quite a few of them.

  • Bryan Clayton

    I hate to say it but I just read Mosher’s article about how Curtis Marsh is making a big impact making the exact same plays as Boykin in the above article, so my question is who’s the idiot that doesn’t know what they are writing about ?

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

      wow, first 2 comments on the site and they’re the same!

      so my question is who’s the idiot that doesn’t know what they are writing about ?

  • Travis Papa

    Eagles are talking about bringing back the Kelly green uniforms fully and Djax twisted his vagina a hair

  • anon

    Tom[y] romo’s back still affecting his throws.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      saw that, deep ball, threw couple ducks in scrimmage. wade wilson came out and let that slip. Cowboys have been selling Romo as full-go 100% too. it’s like they create controversy on purpose.

      • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

        Wouldn’t be Dallas without it.

      • G_WallyHunter

        but unintentionally due to organizational stupidity lol, Romo’s throwing a few ducks in practice and we’re a month out? And his deep ball is/was his bread n butter?
        Best news ill hear all day

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          they are really hanging their hats on Romo coming back like Manning. which, i see as a false comparison. Manning beats you pre-snap, and then just needs his body to be able to preform what his mind knows. Romo greatest ability is to beat you after the snap. he’s deadly on the run, avoiding pressure in the pocket often by ducking or spinning out, and makes snap throws almost like a catcher…everything requires tremendous pressure on back.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Yup yup and yup, with their defense I don’t see any better than 3-13

  • jabostick

    I also agree that the “arguing over a couple of inches” thing doesn’t make much sense (there’s a penis joke my wife would make right about now). But thinking an ultra-talented player who is 5’9″ would be dismissed for just a ‘good’ player who is 5’11”.

    I was on board with Davis’ reasoning about having Boykin master the position last year (and it obviously worked well) but I’d agree he deserves a shot outside if he wants it. I guess the question is whether the downgrade at slot is drastically greater than the upgrade he’d be on the outside

    • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

      Their already willing to downgrade the coverage a slot receiver by moving Jenkins down to stay in base. I get it protects against the run, but clearly QBs know by now that they can pass all over Jenkins.

    • Jernst

      Even if Boykin plays outside in the base defense He can still move to the slot when they go nickel. The nickel corner (fletcher or Williams or Carroll would just play outside in the nickel while Boykin managed the slot)

  • G_WallyHunter

    I hope everyone saw the JJ photos that hit the net, holy crap, the one with the brunette almost made me relieve myself laughing. Too good, thank the football lords for division team controversy in this great and calm off-season.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      love them on soooo many levels. 1st, good for him, dirty rich old man doing dirty rich old man things. 2nd, such poor judgment. i’ve got nothing compared to him, you break out the camera at midnight around me, you’ll be down a camera. but JJ, keep up the poor decisions, Romo needs restructured again. 3rd, he looks absolutely hammered. nothing quite embarrassing as embarrassing drunk pics. 4th, dude, leave the girl alone on the crapper. just disturbing. bet that’s not his first venture into toilet-play. 5th, one looks barely legal. other is chubby. wouldnt say either is all that hot. dont think JJ cares. makes me wonder what they did once camera got put away. doubt those were all smiles once Jerrah got done with them.
      .
      as always…long live Jerry!

      • G_WallyHunter

        Hahaha fantastic analysis, isn’t it just great, haven’t heard much about it on the major networks

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

        he won the day

      • Andy Six Score and Four

        What must their parents think…

        • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

          I bet they’re real proud. Especially the dads.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            well, i’m proud of those 2, probably 3 girls-someone is holding the camera, and that’s what really matters. where would this world be without morally corrupted 18-25 yr old girls? i for one never want to find out

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            I only hope to if I have daughters. Otherwise, I’m with ya.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        “as always…long live Jerry!”…

        Thank you!

  • ICDogg

    When they speak of staying in base more often, I think that was a direct reference to the Saints playoff game and how by being in a nickel (which they did to reduce Graham’s effectiveness) it was possible to run all over them.

  • Mr. Wu
    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

      that picture really needs to be modified, putting Shady’s head up top and Jerrah down below.

      “I own Dallas” –>tell ‘em

    • peteike

      what the…. is this real?

    • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

      Mom?!?

    • peteike
      • Andy Six Score and Four

        Curiouser and curiouser.

      • Amar, CB who bought in

        Hoover might be nuts, but he still wouldn’t have signed Tony Romo to an extension.

        A comment on the story :D:D:D

  • JofreyRice

    OK, yeah, I’m about ready to purchase a seat on the Ertz bandwagon, too.

    • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

      he looks really good. had the physical tools last year though too. I’m blaming Stanford and the NCAA for him not getting a full offseason last year.

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        yup, those 2 and Canada…not sure how, but somehow

        • Mr. Wu

          damn you Canada!!

      • JofreyRice

        yeah, they really need to re-evaluate their priorities at that fly by night diploma mill :D

        • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

          You mean the “Rutgers of California?” Yeah, their priorities are all screwed up.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      you held out for awhile.

      • JofreyRice

        still want to see it in games, but Sheil is one of the few I really trust. If he sees Ertz dominating and is making predictions like he’s going to lead the team in TDs, I’m pretty confident in that.

        • peteike

          Only Celek keeps catching all the TDs in red zone drills and practice. Im not buying the TDs yet.

  • peteike

    “Eagles president Don Smolenski went on the radio with CBS Philadelphia this morning, and revealed that the team is in talks—both internally and with the NFL—to revert to the “kelly green” primary color that the team used through 1995.

    “We have talked about it and there are some rules with the NFL that provides some restrictions that we’re trying to work through, but that’s going to take some time,” Smolenski said. “It’s there, and it’s something that we do talk about, but until some things change at the NFL level it’s going to provide restrictions for us. It is being talked about it, yes.”

    • peteike

      oops, didnt see this was already discussed below. Never mind, carry on

  • DEaglesWay

    The thing when talking about Boykin in the slot vs outside is that it’s not only about the height. It’s more about the type of play with the skillset he has. When arguing for this people always talk about height, height, height, but Boykin’s game is more about intelligence and quickness than speed and stenght on the outside.

    • peteike

      Im in this camp. Do we really see that many plays where the WR out jumps the corner for jump balls or is it more getting beat by speed and play design. Ill take the guy who can close with speed and get his hands in there all day over the guy getting beat by steps. It does matter when it comes down to red zone etc and maybe power off the line for short slants but Im not devaluing a player because he might get burned in those spots. Only one way to find out. Im still fine with him in the slot for now anyway, this may play out at some point down the line per injury/depth.

      • DEaglesWay

        I think I’ve made myself misunderstood(Damn english second language)… What I meant was that Boykin’s game with his skillset is more suited for the slot than for the outside which is why they keep him there and not because of his size.

        • peteike

          oh oops, then I totally disagree with you haha

  • Max Lightfoot

    I agree with Sheil on Ertz. I’ve read others who express the same opinion.

    IMO, in dual TE sets, you need one who’s a killer blocker (Celek) and one who’s a decent blocker but has separation height and great hands (Ertz). Go Eags!

  • 370HSSV 0773H

    They had all spring and summer to experiment with Boykin on the outside. Match him up against Cooper and see how he does. If it doesn’t work out, he can go back to the slot. No big deal.

  • Say No to Marc Mo From Easton

    Is it bad that Boykin had more passes intercepted / defensed than every safety who played for the birds last year combined?

  • Sconces

    What teams run a one-gap 3-4? If I recall correctly exactly half the teams in the league run a 3-4 and the other half a 4-3.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Let’s think about that a little bit further… Boykin was 5th in the league in combined INTs/Passes Defended. That with playing just half of the defensive snaps. That’s pretty damn good if you went even a step further and came up with an efficiency rating just based on those numbers versus playing time. I’d agree that he needs to get an opportunity to play more to see what that leads to. But I do also keep that realistic mindset in remembering that playing more and against better and bigger competition may expose him of sorts. But we won’t know that unless he gets that opportunity.

    I will say that I believe that the coaching staff is also reluctant to move him outside due to the fact that they don’t have someone who can take his place in the slot. Maybe they see Watkins as that guy in a year from now. Based on the notes from the spring and also TC, it sounds as if our best two CBs have been Carroll & Boykin. I certainly wouldn’t mind those as my starting two if they can both carry that over to regular season play.

    • Jernst

      Why can’t Boykin play outside in base defense and move to the slot when the go 3CB in the nickel?

  • Chris Jones

    It would be a huge mistake to not let Boykin test the waters on the outside this season. Sooner or later this guy is going to go somewhere where they will allow him to do that.

  • Amar, CB who bought in
  • Jernst

    The Boykin stuff drives me nuts. If he’s the best corner put him out there. If he gets eaten alive by the taller WRs then fine, we know he’s just a slot CB, the whole world knows he’s just a slot guy and he’ll realize he’s just a slot guy, sign an extension with us and we’ll have the best slot guy in the league. If he continues to play lights out, we then stumbled upon a probowl CB that we desperately needed and can still put him back inside in the nickel and have the best slot corner in the league too. Win win situation with whatever happens. Refuse to give him even a shot despite how good he’s playing and he leaves after 2015 and now we have a hole at an already weak position.

  • Jernst

    I do love that according to Davis, Boykin is too small to play CB, but definitely not too small to play OLB and rush the QB against LTs on a regular basis like he had him doing early last year.

  • true

    Why do people think boykin can’t be physical? From what I’ve seen he’s pretty freaking jacked. I know he doesn’t have the longest reach but he’s easily stronger that CW if not fletcher. He’s my favorite player on this defense and if we lose him in 2015 because he’s not 5’11 I’ll be pissed. I wouldn’t be surprised if he could handle bigger receivers better than our outside corners with his rediculous vertical