Draft Daily: Eagles Continue To Look At Lee

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The Eagles are set to bring in USC wide receiver Marqise Lee for a visit, according to Ross Jones of Fox Sports. This will be the third meeting between the Eagles and Lee, per the report.

As we discussed this morning, Kelly leaned towards players he faced — and was beaten by — on the collegiate level in his first-ever NFL draft last year. Lee (6-0, 192) had 12 catches for 157 yards and two touchdown against Oregon in 2012 (The Ducks beat USC 62-51 that day). In 2011, he helped the Trojans topple Oregon with an eight-catch, 187-yard performance.

According to the Orange County Register, Kelly once said Lee “may be the best receiver I’ve had the opportunity to coach against.” (H/T to Bleeding Green Nation.)


Many of the mock drafts have Lee going in the second half of first round. Perhaps he is still available when the Eagles are on the clock at 22.

Here's the way I'm looking at their approach to the wide receiver position for the upcoming draft: They won't hesitate to pluck one in the first round if that player clearly has the best grade of everyone available. In other words, if they have Lee rated extremely high and he falls to them, they'll pull the trigger. But they feel that there is a wealth of talent at receiver throughout the draft. Strategically, then, it makes some sense to address other positions that aren't quite as loaded early on assuming the grades are similar.

“I think we’re going to be sitting there in every round and there’s going to be a receiver we  like,”said Howie Roseman. “It’s just going to happen that way…Guys will be pushed back because of the quality and the depth of the class.”

Lee ran a 40-time of 4.52 at the combine. He had 118 catches for over 1,700 yards and 14 touchdowns as a sophomore. Last season he was hampered some by a knee injury and ended with 57 grabs for 791 yards and six scores. He also returned kicks at USC, taking a pair back for touchdowns.

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  • knighn

    Maybe the Eagles like players who wear the number 9?
    I don’t object!

  • Richard Colton

    I just don’t like this guy. Can somebody sell me on him at #22?

    • Token

      Blocks well. Really competitive.

      I dunno. Does he have the speed and elusiveness to be a difference maker at 5-11 or 6ft? Maybe route running makes up for it? Just not a move that would make me all that excited. But we may as well come to terms with the fact hes likely the guy.

      If im choosing Id take Robinson to pair with Maclin and Cooper over Lee. Dont like that trio as much. I cant imagine Lee will be the BPA at #22.

      • peteike

        ya Ive been on the Robinson band wagone since watching his highlights a few weeks ago. Like him a lot and just had a stellar pro day, def a better option than KB imo. Based on CK limited track record, he may just go Cooks or Lee. I still want them to go D or trade back. Kinda was hoping they could get Robinson in 2nd, no way thats happening now.

        • JofreyRice

          that guy won’t be old enough to drink a beer when he goes to his first NFL Training camp. So much potential. I’d love to see him play for the Eagles.

          • Mark Saltveit

            I bet you he already drank a beer at USC, though.

        • Ark87

          I’m wary of those pro-day numbers. Is his ideal playing weight closer to his pro-day weight or his combine weight?

      • Glenn

        I agree. He is not Brandin Cooks.

    • peteike

      Casserly on NFL last night compared his route running to Crabtree coming out. Neither super fast but run crisp routes and can get open. For whatever thats worth, not sure why that guy is even on TV. He certainly has a face for radio and stumbles through half his comments, too old, retire already.

    • JofreyRice

      He’s better than Maclin. Like Token mentioned, his blocking personality is nasty.

      Good field awareness, in terms of where the first down markers are and how to use the sideline. More polished than someone like Mike Evans. Uses his blockers well, in addition to being a good blocker, himself. I’d say he’s the third best RAC guy at the top of the draft, after Watkins, who runs like a running back, and ODB who is a little more elusive and explosive. Lined up all over their formation. In the slot, the outside, out of the backfield. That could really appeal to Chip.

      Reminds me a bit of Reggie Wayne. Hands aren’t quite as good, but a similar player. I think he might have a little more juice than Wayne, as far as acceleration. Doubt he’s going to ever be a top 5 WR in the league, but I think he could be a 1000+ yard receiver with 7-8 TDs. I’d rather have ODB, but If you know you can get the kind of production I mentioned at #22, I think it’s worth it.

      • ACViking

        JR:

        I think your breakdown on Lee is top shelf. (Wayne comparison excellent — although I think Wayne’s good hands have improved over time.)

        Anyone who wants to see the difference between running a 40 and game speed should watch Lee. Anyway, 40 times are affected more than anything by the runner’s posture out of the block for the first 10-15 yards. I don’t think that matters much when a guy catches a pass, makes a cut, and turns up-field . . . otherwise, Skeets Nehemiah would’ve been better than Rice and Taylor combined (when he could catch the ball).

        Lee’s so quick — explosive? — out of breaks. That’s what made Jerry Rice what he was. When he cut, he accelerated.

        Lee’s not Rice-good, but he’s looks so polished compared to the other receivers in this draft.

        • JofreyRice

          Thanks!

      • mksp

        I would put Cooks ahead of him as well in terms of YAC ability, but agree with the rest. Would also rather have ODB.

    • CJ

      At 22? No. I think it’s safe to say we’re not picking him at 22. Or anyone, barring a colossal fall by Evans or Barr, we’ll be moving back.

      I’m assuming at a minimum, 3 of KB, Lee, ODB, and Cooks will be there at 22. At a minimum, one falls into the top of the second. We’ll be happy to move back to the 30s, pick up an extra pick or two (heck if a QB falls, could even get a 1 next year out of it based on previous trends), and take advantage of a deep position later. Whether it’s moving back and STILL getting one of those 4, or a guy like Robinson, Matthews or Moncrief. In a draft, positional runs are created when there’s a huge dropoff at the position and you have to reach to get your guy before that dropoff hits. At WR, that might not happen until the 3rd-4th round, teams won’t push for a WR over another position with a bigger dropoff until the middle of the 3rd round, possibly later. There’s 10-12 WRs projected to go in the first 2 rounds in some mocks, some even have 6 in the first round alone. I think that’s high. Insanely high.

      A mere 6 picks in a draft this deep is criminal. The best way to rectify that is by moving back in the first. I’d much rather have 5-6 picks in rounds 2-4 than pick at 22.

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah I really don’t think we are picking at 22

      • mksp

        The problem is that Lee/ODB/Cooks >>>>>>>>> KB. So do you want to downgrade from those guys for an extra pick?

        • CJ

          Those are just names, if KB’s there, odds are Robinson, Matthews, Adams, Moncrief and about a dozen others would be up for consideration as well. I doubt it’d be KB would be the pick here. But for argument’s sake, in any other system, I might actually agree with you. And yeah, it’d be cool to get a beast in here and really shred the league. But if it gets me another defensive starter, and/or an opportunity to add Sefarian-Jenkins AND KB to the offense, yeah that downgrade is worth it to me.

          Andy Reid implied for years they could get by without a bunch of star WRs and never could. CK showed in year one by Cooper’s results. It’s about spacing in this scheme. As long as you have size or speed you can produce in this scheme.

      • Richard Colton

        I expect we’ll have more than 6 when we finally trade DeSean.

        Too soon?

        • Amar (India)

          Can you imagine the Browns receiving corps with Josh Gordon and DJax ? They will happily part with their 3rd rounder.

    • Uncle Wonder

      If he is there at 22 I think we could comfortably trade back

    • EagleDuck

      I love the guy… but, nope. Not at #22…

    • Will

      You buy his knee is just fine…and I got some swap land in florida you can buy…hell no sick of all the injured players we take on and they are all busts…Kenny Phillips and Chung last year…Mac healing from knee surgery and they want a WR with know knee issues…GGGeeeeeeeeeeeezzzz Louise..

    • myeaglescantwin

      I’m with you. I actually don’t want any WR with that #1 pick.

      • myeaglescantwin

        no chance at Evans or Watkins. deepest WR draft to date.. makes no sense..

        Unless Chip & Howie feel it’s “their player”,,, outside of that reasoning, i don’t see the value in round 1 with all the holes on the defense.

  • anon

    Cant tell if this is Lee’s highlight or aguilars…

    • Clamdigger

      It’s no one’s highlights. It’s every offensive snap that he was in the game.

  • dnabrice

    If the Eagles pick him, I hope he returns to his Sophomore production and the knee is completely fine.

  • miketd1

    I don’t care how fast the guy is. If he can consistently get open, that’s more valuable than straight line speed.

    • JofreyRice

      I think his speed is a little underrated. Did he test really badly or something? The guy ran away from DBs quite often in 2012 when the knee was 100%

      • George

        @the combine he ran a 452

        • JofreyRice

          I think he plays a little faster than that. If you watch videos of Jordan Matthews, who I think did run faster at the combine, versus 2012 Lee, it would be hard to believe that Matthews ran faster.

          • George

            I havent gotten to his tape yet, but from watching him on tv a few times he DEF plays faster than a 452

      • ceedubya9

        Yeah, his game speed looked pretty good on tape. Kind of shifty too.

  • eaglefansocal

    I agree with Chip Kelly’s quote above. Lee or Cooks will make us forget Desean by the end of this season.

    • CJ

      Who? Oh you must mean LeSean McCoy…

  • GEAGLE

    I know this is who everyone is expecting but I don’t buy it…..thinking he ends up in KC or the Niners

    • anon

      It’d be great if Carolina wanted to jump up and take him…

    • Malcolm Jones

      yeah I smell Smoke Screen…. because everyone knows hes a chip guy, we wont get him….I actually think the guy who isn’t being talked about at all would be the guy…. ODB here we come!

      • Richard Colton

        If he’s there. 3rd best receiver at #22 would be a coup.

        • Malcolm Jones

          I think the Lee and Brandin Cooks talk is to get other teams to take the bait on them and jump up to get him letting our guy fall to us since we don’t have the tools to trade up.

    • travis papa

      3 meetings is a lot of smoke screen for the 5th/6th best wr in a draft filled with wrs don’t you think? What I’m hoping is they are expecting him to fall to 54 or atleast mid 2nd.

      • anon

        Remember when Kelly brought the whole staff, the GM and the owner to WV?

        • travis papa

          Seriously don’t think this is an apples to apples comparison. They all looked at geno and saw nothing there but initially might have had interest til then. Then they past on him twice. Why waste this much time on a guy late 1st if there isn’t some interest if not in rd 1 but rd 2 in a trade back scenario or at 54

          • CJ

            Force someone who likes him to jump them and pushed a different WR they like further down. Eagles don’t telegraph picks like this normally. this isn’t their MO.

            Of course, that would kind of make it awesome to a degree if they take him. They’d leak it so much to the media wherever everyone assumes it isn’t true, and pick him. What better smoke screen than the truth?

          • JofreyRice

            They’ve been telegraphing moves all offseason. I wouldn’t be that surprised if this were true.

        • damrvrhunter

          All likely flew in Lurie’s private jet, imagine the cost of that trip.

  • GEAGLE

    Can’t wait to play the Colts this year…hoping FOles gets to outclass Luck at the Linc

    • George

      I’m so excited for that one, hope its on nat. tv. Im in CT, and i wont get it unless its game of week. I pray it is

      • GEAGLE

        Luck,you, we will be on prime time a bunch of times this year…I love 1:00′sunday games, so all the primetime games will suck, but you will probably get to enjoy 3-5 games for sure

        • George

          plus ginas games…i’m in that neck of the woods

          • GEAGLE

            I play in a fantasy league with a bunch of kids from that area who are all Ginas fans

      • botto

        you can watch any game on the interenet streaming

    • anon

      I’m more worried about 20 sack robert mathis.

    • Eagledelphia

      Im pretty sure the Indy game is an away game at least according to the Eagles website

      • GEAGLE

        Impossible,,.hasnt been released yet. We play two teams in Indy’s division at home, and the other two on the round..same thing with Seattles division…

        Hoping the home games are:
        Indy
        Seattle
        San Fran
        And Jax

        • Eagledelphia
        • Adam G

          They already released the opponents, just not the schedule. Indy and San Fran are away

        • Neanderthal

          2014 Philadelphia Eagles Opponents
          Home Dallas, NY Giants, Washington, St. Louis, Seattle, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Carolina
          Away Dallas, NY Giants, Washington, Arizona, San Francisco, Houston, Indianapolis, Green Bay

  • Tom w

    I remember chip saying last offseason that he doesn’t want similar players who do the same things … He wants different type of pkayers at a position for versatility. Well lee is eerily similar to Jeremy maclin w the durability concerns and add in some work ethic concerns. I’d rather get a player we don’t have at wr … Elite quickness and rac like odb or elite size leaping ability and speed in a Robinson or latimer or moncrief. Hopefully chip feels the same. This guy has Andy all over him

    • anon

      I was thinking the opposite. If Kelly could have 5 6’3 220 WRs that run 4.4 with the toughness of Celek and the catching ability of Ertz plus a Sproles / DAT guy i think he’d be happy.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    hes Great in and out of his breaks. ability to get open is big for him.

  • Scott J

    With all these talented receivers entering the NFL this year, defenses are gonna have their hands full. I bet scoring will be going up.

  • Leegles

    All in favor of drafting him so I can get a jersey with “Lee” on the back to go with the discount #34 Cliff Lee T-shirts I picked up when he was traded the first time.

  • JosephR2225

    Barkley to Lee was deadly in 2012. Foles better be looking over his shoulder.

    • Clamdigger

      If Barkley beats Foles out for the job, that’s great news for fans.

      • Token

        wow

      • NickS1

        How?

        • oreofestar

          because it means he was better :P

          • Clamdigger

            Exactly. If Barkley somehow beat Foles out for the job, that means he’s playing incredibly well, which is a good thing.

            Now, the chances of that happening are probably worse than the chances of GEAGLE posting something under 8 paragraphs, but you never know.

  • Guest

    • Tom W

      Why are all the philly beat reporters confirming sources when all they are doing is regurgitating the national story … mcclane does this all the time too. litterally five mins after the national story they are saying “sources say lee is coming to town.” no shit I read the same story, but don’t pawn it off like its your freaking story. give the national guy the shout it. hack ass philly sports journalism smh

  • 76mustang

    Pat Kirwan had a good write up on NFL offenses moving more towards a 45/55 run pass ratio (from 42/58 last year). He lists the top two reasons being the Seattle effect (in 3 playoff games rushed 95 times to 75 passes), and Chip Kelly’s offense (at owners meeting an offensive coach told him “We are studying Kelly’s run game and the way they do things.”

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat-kirwan/24510461/nfl-a-passing-league-expect-more-teams-to-run-ball-more-often

    So the question becomes, if an O-lineman falls to 22 that projects as a 10 year starter (Martin, Su’a-Filo), do you pull the trigger?

    You’re at 22, and the following players are on the board:

    Zack Martin, Brandon Cooks, Louis Nix, Xavier Su’a-Filo, Calvin Pryor, Dee Ford, and C.J. Mosley – who do you select?

    • CJ

      If that’s my board at 22, I trade back to 30 and pick up whoever happens to fall or a different WR.

    • Neanderthal

      I arm wrestle myself over Pryor and Ford

    • NickS1

      trade back

    • Tom W

      Trade Back faster than fast.

      • Richard Colton

        How far? 5 picks or so? Because there are a few players there who would look really good in Midnight Green. I’m higher on the Golden Domers (Nix, Martin) than a lot of you. Su’a Filo would be crazy value at 28 or 29. Ford/Pryor/Mosely could each be the defensive playmaker we’re looking for.

        • oreofestar

          Only Domer I really would like is Nikolas if his ass dropped to 86

          • Richard Colton

            keep dreaming. he’s a 2nd round pick when its all said and done. he drops to 86, I’m picking up the phone and calling Roger myself.

          • oreofestar

            I know there are too many other guys I like more at 54 but lets say he “fails” a drug test he could drop to 86

        • Tom W

          I’d trade back as far as mid second round bc I think everyone from 25-55 is on par w each other.

          I think mosley and van noy are close. ford and attaboy or marcus. pryor and buchanon.

          The domers are notoriously overrated bc of the national following (same w usc texas and to an extent bama and stanford). nix has knee and weight problems and tuitt isn’t a game changing 5tech.

          Mosley injuries and tread worry me … bama defensive guys typically beat up spending 4 years w Saban killing them in practice notoriously brutally physically.

          Not taking a guard in the first round although I love Sua (and two olineman two years in a row) in the deepest draft ever. He is no where as good as cooper or the bama kid were last year. it would be a mistake we need playmakers and this draft is loaded w them. sounds like broncos may take him or he falls till second round. martin sounds and looks like justin pugh …. not in this loaded draft. doesn’t sound like a chip guy.

          I think Ford is too short and stubby for chip, and will take atleast two years to grow to set edge and defend run. he literally is horrible against the run.

          Pryor does nothing for me … short, not very athletic, poor tackler for a big hitting strong safety in an nfl that doesn’t need or want strong safeties anymore.

          • Richard Colton

            Wouldn’t be over the moon for a guard either…but I look at it as value PLUS the compensation from trading down. Moving from 22 to 29 gets you near the top of the 4th round/bottom of the third. So say (using mustang’s scenario) you walk away with Su’a Filo at 29 and Christian Jones. You’d be happy with that, wouldn’t you?

  • GEAGLE

    Need to get out of round 1. It would be HUGE for us. We need Teddy, Carr or Garapollo to create a trade down situation for us. For starters if I’m a team that really needs to draft a QB, I don’t know if I can just assume that Andy won’t draft one. He has a ton of pieces in place already and I can see him pull a Kolb move this year, especially since his major needs are WR and CB, and he is fortunate that their is so much depth at those positions in this draft…but the first and most important domino that would need to fall is the Browns passing on a QB at #4. If that happens then every team will assume they take one at the end of round 1 with the pick they got from the colts..if I want to jump the browns for a QB, might as well jump KC also…

    If we can’t get a trade down because teams covet a falling Teddy or Carr, then we need to Hollar at San Fran…Thankfully they signed bathea or you know they would have trade into the teens to secure Haha or Calvin like they did last year..now they will almost certainly draft a CB or WR, and #22 happens to be a sweet spot for both…hopefully San Fran wants to trade up and keep Lee in Cali..

    if we trade down to 30, we would get an extra 3rd, and I would assume we would be choosing between Allen Robinson or Su’a FILO….

    In a dream world, when we trade down to 30, a team that needs to draft a QB in round 2,’will want to Jump the Texans(if they don’t take a QB with the first pick)…if they don’t take a QB with the first pick everyone will assume they draft one with the top pick in round two so hopefully a team like the Vikings wants to jump them and trade up to 30…

    If we can trade twice and end up with around the 6th pick in round two..we would have two 2nd round picks (#6 and #22), and we probably would have gotten an extra 3rd, 4th and 6th…if we have two picks in the 2nd and 3rd, we can come way with one guy from each of these categories:
    ..
    WR:
    A-Rob
    J-Mathews
    Moncreif
    Devante
    Possibly KB

    ROLB:
    Attachou
    Marcus Smith
    Trent Murphy
    Demarcus Lawrence
    .,
    LOLB/ILB Hybrid:
    KVN
    C. Jones
    Telvin Smith
    Kirksey

    wildcard:
    Austin Sefarian Jenkins TE
    Stephan Tuitt DE
    Deon Buchanon
    Lamarcus Joyner
    Jimmy Ward
    ….

    • damrvrhunter

      It’s high time you became a GM.

      • Adam G

        Kidding right?

        • damrvrhunter

          No Am serious or shouldn’t I be?

          • Adam G

            Def should not be serious.

          • oreofestar

            Geagle would win 4 rings in 5 years, don’ t play

          • Adam G

            Yeah, as soon as he can circumvent reality and trade for Dion Jordan.

          • damrvrhunter

            Reality is all perception, right?

          • damrvrhunter

            Am in stitches right now!!!

          • damrvrhunter

            He does have his flights of fancy but now and then he can be lucid, no?

          • Adam G

            Not the hallmark of a GM I would say.

          • damrvrhunter

            Yea I don’t know what I was thinking, his madness infected me.

    • Ark87

      Have you watched much on Robinson? The little I’ve watched I come away wondering how his hands are over the full sample size. The highlights i saw didn’t demonstrate that sure handed pluck that many WR’s do.

      • peteike

        I thought his hands and jump balls were his strength and speed and separation possible weaknesses? I only watched highlights which always look good of course

        • Ark87

          I liked how he went up and got it. He was very resourceful on a lot of catches, catching with his shoulder pads, the crook of his arm, second effort focus catches, etc. Fun to watch, as highlights are. Not a whole lot of hand catches, though. A lot of highlight reels don’t show those because it doesn’t have a lot of pizazz. But that would be one thing scouts look for, “plucking the ball out of the air”. I honestly don’t know if he does consistently one way or the other.

    • Tom W

      Problem is KC is looking to trade down as well bc they don’t have a second rounder bc of alex smith. and there are rumors the two sides are working on an extension for alex smith bc his isn’t that old. Also reports cardinals may not let teddy or carr get past them at 20 but who knows.

      I gotta think at least Carr is there and Browns will pass 4 and go Watkins or Matthews or Mack.

      At that point, I’m thinking Jax comes up for him or Houston. get a third and fifth. Not as good as the tiered two trades w niners but more likely.

      Then we gotta somehow get the ravens to trade w us for one of our twos bc they have a shitload of threes and fours and fives.

  • Breakerdog

    ODB over COOKS over LEE
    I don’t think the drop off between these guys and the next projected tier of WR is all that big. We could most likely pick up one of Robinson, Mathews, Moncrief or Devante in the second round and the Eagles might have these guys higher on their board.

    Ideally, one of the S drops (Prior, HaHa). If not, a trade down into the second would land any two of Jimmy Ward, Kyle Van Noy or a dropping first round graded guy like Mosley or Su’a-Filo.

  • Neanderthal

    How can we trade back and then up so we can get Lee and Dee

    • oreofestar

      I hate Ford but lets say we traded down to 26 and picked up a 4 and then used that 4 along with a 5 to get one f the 2 who lets say slid to top of 2 I mean I do not want that anyway so…

  • peteike

    so if they pass on safety in first 3 rounds, are there fears that the position gets really thin after that? I mean its thin already and if they wait they miss out, if they push they are drafting for need instead of BPA. Tough call. I worry about that also with lbs, if they wait too long and take a bunch of offensive guys and maybe a d linemen does that pool get thin. Always the worry come draft day, love the possibility of trading back more than anything. While that seems logical it doesnt always work out the way fans want it to.

    • anon

      We’re honestly thin at every position except QB, RB and TE, OT. Hard to think of “playmakers” on this team outside of McCoy and Foles (I think Ertz may get there this year), and Boykin who sees limited snaps.

      • ACViking

        A –

        You’re spot on. Great point not said enough.

      • mksp

        Sproles is a playmaker.

        Other than him, think you’re right sadly. Why its so likely that ODB/Cooks/Lee is our pick at #22.

  • ACViking

    Is Chip Kelly a “trade back” guy? This is definitely the draft to have lots of picks.

    But if Kelly likes a guy and he’s there at 22, even if a handful of other players (especially if they weren’t in the PAC-8/10/12) are closely rated, I think Kelly says to Roseman “make the pick.”

    Seems that Kelly has a pretty detailed vision of his team — who fits, who doesn’t, and who’s exactly what he wants (doesn’t mean he’ll be right, as the draft’s a crap shoot).

    And, as wily and creative as he is, Kelly’s really just a run-the-ball kind of guy. I don’t think he’s a risk-taker.

    I think he’s actually pretty conservative . . . by which I only mean a man of strong and well-founded, slowly evolving principles.

    Who knows. Maybe there really are a half dozen, give or take, WRs whom Kelly loves and would be happy with.

    Same goes for OLBs and DBs.

    But that just doesn’t seem like Kelly.

    • Richard Colton

      I know for a fact he’s a trade back guy. I hacked his account at first-pick.com. Once he traded back 8 consecutive times and wound up with the entire 4th round.

      • ACViking

        RC:

        That’s excellent. Should have thought of that.

        EDIT: That may have been before Tom W got the site to fix the trade values.

        • Tom W

          I emailed them every day for a week. Now its quite excellent. I ecstatic. They also dont allow you to trade as much now and also can’t get blockbusters every round … sometimes just back two picks for a late pick.

      • NickS1

        We’ve known all along that Chip is a trade back guy and how he wants to draft because Chip is really Oreofestar! Muahahaha!

        • oreofestar

          ….

          • NickS1

            You’re not Chip? Damn. There goes that theory.

          • oreofestar

            *whispers* how the hell did you know

    • JosephR2225

      I recall after picking Lane last year there was some commentary that the Eagles had the three tackles and Dion Jordan all rated highly for the No. 4 pick. Of course they wound up not really having a choice on who they were taking…
      I think he is more adaptable than you are giving him credit for. I think he demands his players buy in, but beyond that I don’t think he has too specific a rubric. At least not to the point where he would take “his guy” at 22 and bypass the opportunity to trade back and collect some more picks.

      • ACViking

        JR:

        I hope you’re right. More picks = better this year. Not always true.

    • Glenn

      I agree. This is why I think trading a fifth for spores was not a steal. I think their are going to be good players available for the saints at that pick.

      • Tom W

        My freaking boy Dontae Johnson who is jarius byrd junior is gonna be there …. colt lyeria, freaking justin ellis, maybe colvin, DAT, brandon coleman, deandre coleman. But I love sproles so I can’t complain too much.

        • oreofestar

          Damn I love Johnson (Byrd Jr. lol we’ll see) I am becoming less sure he lasts all the way to pick 22 in 5th but I hope so

          • Tom W

            I hear ya. and its fine. if we need to go w him at 4.22 that is fine.

            Stay at 22

            ODB
            AttaBoy or Marcus Smith
            Christian Jones
            Dontae Johnson
            Josh Huff or Brandon Coleman or Jeff janis
            Colt Lyeria or Kerr

            We need two more picks so we can get a corner and guard hybrid. Wonder how far Aaron Colvin and Brandon Thomas fall. I would have noooooooooo problem drafting both w an extra fifth or two and sitting on them for a year like Krueger.

          • oreofestar

            Yep love Thomas and Colvin I don’t think ODB makes it all he way to 22 I like Ealy in the first Moncrief, Matthews, Adam, Amaro, Jenkins, Robinson at 54 becasue no way they are all gone

          • Tom W

            Depends on Jets. need them to take cooks or lee or benjamin or maybe barr. Ravens and steelers have giant needs at atleast three other positions and those are two smart gms who realize they can get wr talent later. otherwise it comes down to who jets take bc they are tipping their hand pretty hard they are going wr.

          • oreofestar

            One problem with what you said if Barr is at 18 I pray that the Jets do not take him and take a wr so Barr gets to 19 and then we trade up and give a pick next year to secure Barr

          • Tom W

            Totally but just saying how it could break if Titans don’t take Barr. he will fall.

          • oreofestar

            yeah if he gets past there sure if the Titans pass he is in for a tumble but look at the 2 teams in front of us ARZ and GB that is the problem and that is who I am jumping and working with the Phins

          • Tom W

            Really depends if Chip and Mcgovern think Ealy can play olb. If they do, I’m all in.

          • oreofestar

            I am Chip (according to Nick) and I say he can play OLB

          • Tom W

            Between you and me he looks athletic as hell in his olb drills at the combine and proday. Mayock says no, but jeremiah isn’t worried at all.

          • oreofestar

            In the end it ll comes down to Chip if he says yes who cares what Mike says

          • GEAGLE

            Brandon Thomas will fall to the 4th because of the injury. early 5th at the latest

          • Tom W

            Watched him own Jordan Matthews today. Also get run by sammy watkins but he is absolutely strong enough and good enough tackler to play free safety and can run and cover tight ends

    • Tom W

      Chip drafts players not positions. I don’t think he looks at positional scarcity or the depth of a position vs other positions (wr deep vs. safety not). Howie has echoed as much as well and based on last year’s draft, they were picking players (though they would’ve trade 4 if they had gotten an offer — chip said they had no offers).

      If a value falls to them at 22 I think they make the pick. Value being one of the 15-18 players they have a first round grade on their board. Note nfl teams don’t have 32 players w first round grades … typically no more than 20 at most. also need to find scheme fits.

      Figure they have a first round grade on: (1) Manzel (2)-(4) 3 otackles (5) clowney (6) Mack (7) Barr (8) watkins (9) evans (10) gilbert (11) Ebron (12) HaHa maybe (13) and ODB maybe.

      I could see Chip making Howie pick any of these guys at 22. [Donald doesnt fit our scheme and pryor is very overrated and undersized and not super athletic].

      After these guys I’m praying trade down to a team in top of second round and getting a 3 and 5th. And try one more trade down w ravens who have a two a shitload of threes and fours.

      • Eagles1018

        Just curious, what keeps Lee or Cooks off that list? I think Cooks is a top 20 in that he has that elite WR speed and though he’s short, he’s got a thick frame for his height. 190 is like a Steve Smith, no?

        • Tom W

          See above on Lee. Cooks size and height eliminates him from being rated in the top 22 …. also runs horribles routes

  • ACViking

    Speaking of USC receivers . . . .

    The last great WR from SoCal was Lynn Swann, drafted in 1974. The next best after him was Keyshawn Johnson in 1996. And that’s a big a distance in time as in greatness.

    Since K-Johnson, there’s been only Steve Smith drafted in ’07 who played up to his draft position and college production. (Robert Woods, ’13, may be the next one.)

    Otherwise, we’ve seen WR after WR from USC who didn’t get it done in the NFL, for whatever reason, despite what looked like great measurables and college production: Mike Williams, Patrick Turner, Dwayne Jarrett, Damien Williams, Ron Johnson, Keary Colbert, and RJ Soward.

    Is Lee closer to being Lynn Swann than Steve Smith? They’re all three built similarly.

    As good as Lee is, he’s not shown himself to be nearly as athletic as Swann.

    And Steve Smith put up much better Combine numbers than Lee.
    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=15701&draftyear=2007&genpos=wr

    Is it fair to say Lee seems to play faster/quicker than Smith? Sure seems like it watching on TV.

    Obviously, it’d be disappointing to spend a 1st on Lee and end up with a WR no better than 2nd-Rder Smith. If, though, the Eagles dropped down and took Lee in Rd 2, then that might be a steal.

    Only Kelly knows.

    • Adam G

      I don’t think that anything that happens at a program before the current coaching staff matters at all. Just like anything that happened under Reid means nothing for Chip Kelly.

    • anon

      Is there a school thatd you call a wr factory? Query the quality of usc recruiting post sanctions.

      • Andy124

        Hmmm. Great question.

        I think Miami has been pretty good in that department. Off the top of my head I’m thinking Andre Johnson, Mike Irvin and Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss.

        Georgia Tech, the triple option school oddly enough, has turned out Calvin Johnson and D. Thomas.

        Kendall Wright and Josh Gordon are both from Baylor.

        Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State have all put out multiple decent receivers in the last decade.

      • Maggie

        USC was diverse, though. How many of their RBs names would we recognize even today?

    • Maggie

      Aah, Viking. You often take me back… there is was one more difference between Swann and Johnson, besides the years. Swann would elevate his 5 feet into the air/end zone, grab the ball, scrape off the DBs, drop the ball on the ground and go back to line up again. Keyshawn is STILL yapping.

  • Bird of Prey

    Google this guy: Pierre Desir Read an article on him and he dominated in the senior bowl and East/West shrine game with INTs in each. Much rather see if they find him in camp.

  • greenblood0118

    Latimer in the 2nd…

  • Will

    Lee comes up hobbling on bad knee end of tape…Geez…ya want him at #22 when will the Birds learn…

    • Clamdigger

      Haha, that’s what you took away from that video?

      • Will

        yup…what you take away…no big deal right…

      • Will

        A WR with a bad knee is kinda of a red flag and durability issue for me…

        • Clamdigger

          That’s cool. So if you ever tweak your knee, you have a “bad knee.”

          I guess they should take everyone off their boards that’s ever come up gimpy after getting tackled.

          Seriously, I’m not even a fan of this guy, but writing a guy off because he hurt his knee and/or aggravated it a couple times is just silly.

          • Will

            He did a little more than tweek it….

            USC Trojans star wide receiver Marqise Lee went down in the fourth
            quarter of Saturday evening’s Pac-12 showdown with Arizona State with a
            left knee injury.

            Lee’s status moving forward does not look good, as he was unable to
            leave the field under his own power after his knee was twisted on a punt
            return:

  • JosephR2225

    Marqise Lee stats versus Chip Kelly’s Oregon teams:
    2011: 8 receptions, 187 yards, 1 TD
    2012: 12 receptions, 157 yards, 2TDs (Also 8 kick returns for 251 total yards)

    • Will

      2013 was his worst year stat wise went from 118 catches in 2012 to 57 in 2013…I’d say knee injury is a big concern…

      • JosephR2225

        I’m sure they’ll take that into account. He was also hampered by general dysfunction at USC last year, I would imagine.

      • anon

        think that’s why we are talking to him so much?

        • Will

          could be….I still would pass with 6 picks no shaky knee injuries…

          • anon

            me too, if he falls i’d take him high second in a trade back scenario but doubt he’d be there in a trade back scenario.

          • Will

            If nothing else they get 6 player’s…. health should not be a concern will be lucky if 2-3 pan out and start in the NFL…

          • Will

            Any one know how many picks we got in 2015? all 7?

  • Will

    Kevin Benjamin is only a sophomore played 14 g 54 rec 1011 yards avg. 18.7 15 TD’s….

    • Andy124

      OLD sophomore. Most are younger as seniors.

      • Will

        how old is he?

        • Will

          23 years old…

          • Andy124

            Yup. Should have a couple years NFL experience by now.

  • Neanderthal

    today’s useless shot in the dark.

    Round 2 Pick 7 (JAX): Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California (A)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Kyle Van Noy, OLB, Brigham Young (A)
    Round 3 Pick 6 (JAX): Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (B)
    Round 3 Pick 23 (K.C.): DaQuan Jones, DT, Penn State (A)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Cameron Fleming, OT, Stanford (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 1 (HOU): Vinnie Sunseri, SS, Alabama (B-)<— like this guy
    Round 6 Pick 24 (K.C.): Walt Aikens, CB, Liberty (B-)
    Round 7 Pick 1 (HOU): Anthony Fera, K, Texas (A)
    Round 7 Pick 22: De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon (B)

  • anon

    anyone have a free link for lsu’s pro day? don’t want to miss landry breaking out.

    • cliff henny

      really? hope he ran a 4.8 40….so he’s sitting there in 4th

      • anon

        dropped 10lbs and ran a 4.6. measurables still significantly below odb.

        • cliff henny

          has been since day 1. been pounding his name on here since early Sept. doubt we see him though, looks like he’s dropped far enough that he’ll be competing with rawer longer much more athletic guys that Kelly will be more interested in developing after getting early beast.
          .
          if Kelly can make Cooper serviceable, I just want the freakiest of freaks, get 3, give each 1/3 of playbook to master, and run the ball right up the defense’s giggy

          • anon

            Yeah i thought his measurables would be a bit better, but that’s why he’s a mid round guy. I think he’d be a steal in the 4th b/c he can produce. Agree there’s lots of freaks that could be coached up around there but I’d take a guy that’s a producer even if for one year.

          • Andy124

            Sounds like a poor man’s Avant.

          • GEAGLE

            Hines Ward ish…ran 4.58 today

          • anon

            rich man’s avant. more catches / more yds / more tds than odb. team captain.

          • Neanderthal

            Cliff
            You are my kind of football fan

  • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

    I hate the talk of this WR class being so deep you can still get a good one in the latter rounds. F#CK that noise. Go get the best one you can. No later than round 2. Id like a difference maker, not just a guy. It’s easy to get guys. We have 5 guys right now. Go get a MAN. Big man, little man, whatever. So long as he strikes fear in the defense.

  • Rick H

    As of today at this moment I can confirm that I officially HAVE NO CLUE what the Eagles are going to do in round one.

    • Maggie

      Yay! A voice of reason!

      • Guest

        How can you be this annoying? Are you a social cripple?

  • imnotsorryisaidthat

    Lets get this show on the road

  • Tom W

    I dunno I hear Chip whining about his wrs being able to beat man-press coverage and being physical …………. and that is Lee’s worse attribute. He isn’t physical at all. He is horrible off the press and literally cannot make a tough catch when a corner gets physical w him. He is horribly catching the ball after contact …. and that is what makes the good wrs great in the nfl …. exactly what makes anquan bolden and reggie wayne great and made Jerry Rice the greatest along w work ethic. I am concerned about both w Lee
    Doesn’t do anything as well as Watkins or ODB, doesn’t have short area quickness or RAC better than cooks, doesn’t have size or physicality, and has lingering injury concerns and a poor combine leading me to think he may have some work ethic/conditioning problems. really bothers me he didn’t want to retest at his proday and show nfl evaluators he was better than that sorry performance at the combine. He is like a poor man’s maclin. W little upside.
    Watched a few games w Barkley and while he made some great plays on short throws I noticed a ton of miscommunications and mistakes and errors on routes, etc …. dunno whose fault that is but there was a lot.
    And that’s another thing … chip always says he doesn’t want players at the same position w duplicate skills … well maclin already does alot of what lee does … including the lack of physicality and injury concerns. Why duplicate that?
    Sounds like a good kid who beat the odds and a tough upbringing. But I don’t see how he is BPA at 22 …. I’d rather have watkins, evans, odb, cooks …. shit I’d rather trade down and take Lee at like mid 40s but even there I would rather have Robinson or Adams, or Latimer or Moncrief …. I see way more upside w the bigger wrs who may not be as good as rookies but can improve in so many teachable areas whereas Lee has probably already peaked (other than running better routes) for a guy who already relies on his speed and quickness too much and has horrible vision.

  • SallyForth

    Marquise Lee appears to be a clone (or very similar) to Jeremy Maclin. Obviously a nice receiver HOWEVER, if someone like Brandin Cooks is sitting there at 22 it would seem that he would be a better alternative – more speed and gamebreaking ability.
    Still, this fans sees Defense as the 1st round pick. Will see …

  • SallyForth

    Oh, and please, no projects like FSU’s Benjamin. He may have the “measurables” but he is a very unpolished receiver. The Eagles have “been there – tried that” to little avail.