Monday Open Thread: Free Agency Buzz

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8:53: Peter King of The MMQB isn't sure Jairus Byrd is going to get the money he's seeking on the open market:

Jairus Byrd’s landing spot? A secret. He wants $9 million a year, and I can’t figure out who will pay a safety that much.

While the Eagles are still probably a longshot, King's note is why they should not be ruled out completely. You just don't know how the market is going to play out. Howie Roseman and his team have a value on every free agent they're interested in. If the price falls, maybe they take a look.

Meanwhile, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network says the Dolphins are one of the teams showing some level of interest in Byrd.

8:56: The Broncos are expected to be players for T.J. Ward, according to The Denver Post. The Jets are also expected to have interest in Ward, per the New York Daily News. --SK

8:58: Some have asked about Seahawks defensive lineman Michael Bennett. He has emerged as the Bears' top target in free agency, according to The Chicago Tribune. --SK

9:01: King floats out the 49ers as a possible destination for Michael Vick. Vick obviously would not get a chance to start there, but teams with Super Bowl aspirations need capable backups. If Vick can accept that role, playing behind Colin Kaepernick wouldn't be a bad move. --SK

10:12: The Redskins have expressed interest in Jairus Byrd, according to Mike Jones of the Washington Post. He adds that talks are not serious yet. -- TM

11:41: Mike Mitchell has been mentioned quite a bit, but he's not the only safety the Eagles are looking at. Antoine Bethea is also a player of interest from what we hear. The nine-year vet has played in all 16 games each of the last six seasons for the Colts. He had 110 tackles, a sack and two interceptions in 2013. He turns 30 in July. -- TM

11:51: A league source told Eliot Shorr-Parks of NJ.com that the Eagles have expressed interest in Dolphins cornerback Nolan Carroll. -- TM

12:14: The Eagles do not appear to be in the mix for TJ Ward at this time. -- TM

12:37: Another DB to keep an eye on: Corey Graham of the Ravens. The 28-year-old brings a degree of versatility, having played corner on the outside and nickel. And he's also been a contributor on special teams. Graham played his college ball at New Hampshire when Chip Kelly was there. Per Geoff Mosher of CSN Philly, the Eagles have inquired about Graham. --SK

1:17: Why you have to take every report with a grain of salt today: Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald says the "Dolphinw interested in Byrd" talk is a smokescreen. For all the chatter about what Byrd is worth, it's going to be fascinating to see what the final price tag ends up being. --SK

1:52: Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the Browns are "very serious" about signing safety Donte Whitner. The Bears, Jets and Niners are also supposedly in the mix. -- TM

1:55: According to the Associated Press, the Browns, Rams and Dolphins are three of the teams interested in signing Jairus Byrd. -- TM

3:28:

8:38: The domino effect with the safety market is worth watching. The Dolphins, for example, agreed to terms with free agent Louis Delmas. That means Chris Clemons is out, per Armando Salguero of The Miami Herald. As I wrote last month, Clemons would purely a stopgap option. I'd be surprised if the Eagles went after him.

8:44: Not a huge surprise here:

8:49: This doesn't make sense for the Eagles, but worth noting nonetheless:

 

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  • G_WallyHunter

    Awesome, a new open thread to get to 1000 comments, thanks for making a new one, last one was almost going to crash the site..
    Lets hope some notes regarding a Byrd and Eagles emerge today..
    5 yr, 48mil, 20 guaranteed, 10 6 4 guaranteed in first 3 years… Just get it done, if he can be had for less then get him, come on HOWIE DO IT

    • Septhinox

      That would be a horrible contract for a safety. Horrible.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Not quite as bad as nnamdi… I understand 3 years of guaranteed is horrible but if that’s what it takes.. we have a pretty good idea that Byrd won’t accept just 2 years of guaranteed, so why I made it 3..

    • DEBO 215

      I’d still rather have TJ Ward

      • Will

        Ward has a lingering shoulder injury….bad injury for a hard hitting Safety something to consider….

        • DEBO 215

          Didn’t know that was still an issue. I still think I’d rather him than Byrd though.

          • Will

            Same thing with Chung….granted Ward played thru it but chances are it will return….

          • Bracey

            Just curious why. Byrd is more of what we need. Our secondary was terrible against the mid-deep passes, which is where Byrd thrives. We already do pretty well in the run (besides the obvious need for a big NT to rotate in). Ward would’ve great but not as big of a help. Plus, Pryor is more likely to get to us in the draft who is more in the mold of Ward. Imagine Byrd and Pryor, would go from weakest point of defense to the strongest.

          • Bracey

            *would be great

        • UKEagle99

          We already have our quota of safeties with bad shoulders.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      I’d rather the notes don’t emerge. It seems with Howie, the quieter the liklier

      • G_WallyHunter

        Ya when it comes down to it, same, Byrd notes can keep quiet, just give us notes on something other than Mitchell..
        I just want to hear about Byrd tomorrow afternoon right, hopefully its as surprising as the Nnamdi signing was (and hopefully that’s the single only similarity to that signing)

      • Joe from Easton

        No one heard squat about the Eagles and Nnamdi. I was ironing my shirt in the morning watching NFL Network hoping that the cowboys didn’t get him and all of the sudden the analysts were as surprised as me. “Eagles sign Nnamdi”. What a joyous day, and now in hindsight, what a terrible one.

        • thaGOAT

          Lol Nnamdi was signed on my birthday, I was all excited..then came all those ex pro bowlers. It wouldve been fine if Vince Young never used the term dreamteam. People still bring that up to this day.

    • philliesfan136

      Starsky and hutch remake with Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson.

      Do it …………… Do it.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Lmao that’s what I’m going for everytime I say do it… Do it… Good scope

  • Will

    Eagle Fans want the Byrd
    Byrd is the Word
    Pay that Man…

    • Joe from Easton

      Pay him what he’s worth. Don’t break the bank for a guy who’s stock is inflated by Free Agency and a position of need for a lot of NFL teams. Bad contracts are the reason a lot of teams don’t have the flexibility that the Eagles have.

  • Joe from Easton

    How the hell are the Dolphins going to afford Byrd? Where’s Cliff Henny to explain?

    • CJ

      It’s like the Steelers asking about Verner, or the Cowboys even considering using their first round pick at this point given their caps. Doesn’t mean much. The Dolphins have at last 40% of an offensive line to buy.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      All politics. Calls will be made even if they aren’t really interested and agents will inflate their clients value through the media.

    • cliff henny

      ha, I know Eagles out of love, and Cowboys out of hate…other than that, i’d have to spend an hour or so on overthecap. do know Miami has money, but cant see how most of that isn’t earmarked for o-line

      • Joe from Easton

        Haha, are you an accountant in real life? I personally think you’re actually Howie, but I won’t tell anyone.

        • cliff henny

          no, actually in sales, but graduated with degree in economics (and sal-cap is an economist’s dream, it’s literally guns or butter with numbers).

          • Joe from Easton

            Glad you’re on our side.

  • Not FuriousXGeorge

    Playing behind Foles isn’t a bad spot either. It seems to me if he is willing to be a backup the most logical place for him to do it is here.

  • CJ

    The silence is the worst part, but after the last couple seasons, we know the quieter the Eagles are, the more they’re up to something. Something BIG is about to happen, and the wait to find out what it is is killing me!

  • TheNest

    Ok….I need something today….even if it’s just an indicator..just give me something boys!!!!!!!!

    • GEAGLE

      Ready? Write this down because I won’t say it again…The eagles WILL sign…………..a safety :)

  • Will

    All I want in FA is an OLB and 2 Safeties…lol…

    • Joe from Easton

      All I want for Christmas is an Audi S4 and a garage to park it in.

      • jabostick

        Occasionally, a young lady will stop by here and tell you about her aunt being able to buy a great car simply by working from home. She usually comes with a handy link you can click. Maybe you can talk to her :)

        • Joe from Easton

          haha, touche` sir.

          p.s.

          I’ve always been a fan of that Fred Ex profile pic of yours.

  • Will

    All quiet on the Western front….Howie must be hard at work putting deals together way to quiet…

  • Armchairgm3

    I think people will be disappointed if they expect the Eagles to break the bank on a free agent. Roseman has all but said that will not happen. I expect Mitchell or Jenkins (or both?). And if I had to pick between the two, I would go Jenkins. He fits the high character, strong work ethic mold the Eagles want off the field and has the versatility they want on the field.

    • GEAGLE

      That’s really not what Roseman said AT ALL

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Right. What he said was (and I’m paraphrasing slightly), that they are willing to pay for an exceptional player, IF they weren’t tagged and DID hit the open market. Then he went into the part about not wanting to overpay for a player in FA and send a bad message to the players they already have. He did say something along the lines of the nit wanting to pay an “A” player at “A+” rates. But his statements were deeper than just that to dismiss it based off that sole piece of the entire puzzle.

        • philliesfan136

          Smells like bullshit to me …. because ( in this day and age ) you have to OVER PAY great players in free agency with a++ money. So they obviously won’t be signing any EXCEPTIONAL players.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Again people, you’re reading into only one part of the comments.

    • Joe from Easton

      Roseman simply said they’re not going to play A-plus money for an A grade talent. If Byrd wants to go to a winner he’ll take 8.5 a year instead of 9.5. Roseman will pay what he’s worth, not what the market sets.

      • Armchairgm3

        Allow me to fill in the blanks from my original post that I thought would be apparent. Roseman said the Eagles were not going to overpay. He acknowledged that special talents call for special circumstances. But also cautioned, from the get go, that the Eagles were not going to make the same mistakes as they did in the past. Could Byrd be an exception? Maybe. But I think Byrd has priced the Eagles out of the market already, and I don’t see them breaking the bank for him. I could obviously be wrong, but I just don’t see it happening.

        • Will

          Hate it but have to Agree….do not see them making him the highest paid defender before taking a snap too afraid would screw up team chemistry with all the talk of doing things the right way…

          • Armchairgm3

            Bingo — chemistry is a huge issue. I hope I’m wrong. But with a guy like D Jax wanting a new contract, not sure how it would go over if they spend all of that money on Byrd. Not saying D Jax deserves another one, just that there are some egos in the locker room that the FO might have to take into account…

          • anon

            guaranteed $$ not more $$, who would complain if they bought in the best available guy in a spt where there’s not much talent. He’s also an oregon guy. I’d be more annoyed as a player that Avant got cut and Maehl is on the payroll.

          • Will

            If Byrd really wants 9-10 million a season and they pay it. What’s left for all the 2012 class and Foles? Not to mention 1 Safety is not all the needs, re sign Donnie Jones, find a place kicker, an OLB and another high caliber Safety….so unless he does a Chip Kelly discount the more I consider it. I don’t see it happening…

          • anon

            plenty of cap increases over next 2 years and people getting restructured / cut next year. Plus i don’t see everyone in the 2012 class staying, there’s a bunch of 4-3 lineman that want to get paid.

            all that said i agree on byrd, i was never big on us signing him (if he’s out who do we play in the backfield), but i don’t think players would be annoyed if we got a guy that makes us better.

          • Will

            Love the Byrd but does it make sense to allocate so much resources on one player with other holes in your roster….if all we needed was one Safety then yes but that’s not the case…will be interesting if they sign him …..

          • anon

            We’re bad at safety. On D i’d argue that we’re mediocre everywhere else w/ upside at some positions. The problem is that it’s hard to justify paying to upgrade — not great value for money. I’d say if something’s worth doing it’s worth doing right the first time.

          • CJ

            We’re not bad at safety. We’re historically bad at safety. Fix safety and it gives this team more schematic flexibility where we don’t have to compensate everywhere else. This is a new scheme and a very young team. I wouldn’t call it “mediocre”, but “developing” in many areas. We need a real rush OLB, and another body at NT. Longer term, CB makes me nervous. This team isn’t 10 pieces away, and Byrd/Ward are arguably top 5-10 at their position–if not higher–that you get for nothing. You can turn your #1 weakness into a strength with one phone call.

            This is a team that’s a big time safety, a couple of depth pieces, and one good draft away from a serious run. It’s not as far off as you’d think.

          • aub32

            Where is that money going if not to Byrd? It’s not like we are looking at the ability to sign Byrd or Aldon Smith. Byrd is the number 1 FA at a position we desperately need to upgrade. Every other position at least has a capable starter. What are you trying to save resources for?

          • Bracey

            That’s the one place we need a starter. Everywhere else is rotational. Byrd will make Wolff better, who looked good to me, and after that all other starters are set. We just need rotational players mostly

          • Joe from Easton

            14 million plus a few aging vets that will be gone after this season and potentially a higher cap; that’s what’s left.

          • aub32

            Maehl wasn’t due a million dollar roster bonus.

          • Armchairgm3

            Hope you are right. But there are a lot of leftovers from the 2011 team, and apparently a lot of home grown guys were annoyed that free agents got paid and they didn’t (i.e., Nnamdi, Babin, etc.).

          • aub32

            That’s true, and I think players like DJax and McCoy had the right to be. However, this is 2014. Who hasn’t gotten paid? Coop and Mac just got new deals. Mathis, Kelce, and Peters all got new deals in the past 2 years. DJax is making 10M base. McCoy is getting paid. Hell, even Cole and Herremans are making money. The 1st and 2nd year players can’t get paid because of the rules set by the CBA. Are we worried that Brent Celeck is going to derail this team? I just don’t see how paying 1 or 2 high priced FAs could cause problems when everyone should be happy with the money they are making.

          • CJ

            Exactly!!!!!!

          • philliesfan136

            You aub, are making too much sense. Howie’s cronies, CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH !! Colonel Byrd …. To Howie Roseman ” You may not want to pay me to cover center field …… but you need me on that field ! “

          • Armchairgm3

            In theory, I agree. But Roseman said chemistry has to be considered. And part of that comment was concern that giving a FA a lot of money could disrupt chemistry in the locker room. So I am taking him at his word that it is something they have to take into account, and see it as a reason that they could shy away from giving a guy $9 mil. Not to mention the fact that even though these guys “got paid” we are talking about professional athletes in a sport that has a notoriously short career length. You think D Jax wouldn’t see Byrd getting paid top dollars and want a pay raise? What about McCoy after the season he just put in? And what affect does this signing have on the 4 guys from 2012 (Cox, Kendricks, Boykins and Foles), all of whom are going to demand big pay raises. I’m not saying you are wrong or I am right, but it’s the impression I got from listening to Roseman.

          • aub32

            I think what he said had more to do with past mistakes and not necessarily what a big signing would do this year. I think it would be insane for players to get upset at one big FA contract when they are being paid so handsomely. Most of these deals are less than 3 years old. I think you took Roseman’s words too literal.

          • Armchairgm3

            My opinion isn’t the byproduct of me taking something literally or relying too heavily on one interview or another. And I’m not saying there is zero chance we sign Byrd. I’m just seeing the ridiculous contracts already being given out, the higher than expected salary cap, and the fact that the league is starved for safeties, and guessing that Byrd will be out of our price range. Maybe Byrd priced himself out of too many teams as some reports are suggesting, or maybe there will be enough teams to meet that high of an asking price. If the former happens, who knows, maybe the Eagles come in and offer $8-8.5 and get it done. But if I was handicapping the chances, I wouldn’t say they are great. That’s just me though.

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            Completely different position though, and it helps the team improve a lot. The point was about not bringing in a high priced FA that would preclude them from paying their homegrown talent at that position. It wasn’t directly stated but certainly inferred.

          • aub32

            Even if Byrd got 9M per, he wouldn’t make as much as DJax. Some of you keep getting it wrong. DJax didn’t say he wanted more money. He said he wanted security, as in more guaranteed money. Teams do these type of restructures all the time.

          • CJ

            So the whole team is just going to forget the fact he already dropped 100 M on deserving vets to keep them, and literally cannot do the same for any other deserving plaers (Cox, Kendricks, Foles, Boykin, etc.) until next season? One top notch safety coming in is going to negate all that and piss off the whole team.

            Because he’s taking the safety money out of the budget from whom? Coleman? Chung? Allen? Jarrett? Clay Matthews? How is this still a thing? Has the DreamTeam made so many fans that jaded and gunshy where this is a valid line of thought by so many?

            Who’s left on this team that deserves that money, who’s actually able to get it? Who’s going to be pissed here? I’d love names.

          • Armchairgm3

            D Jax, McCoy, 2012 draft class (can’t get paid this year but you know they will use this as leverage for next year). They can’t look at free agency in a vacuum. This impact of this signing would go well beyond this year. And again, these guys are some of the most competitive people on the planet. Respect is shown by $. If someone else is making more (even comparatively so), it definately is noticed.

          • CJ

            DJax’s annual salary is where it should be. His cap #s wouldn’t change (much, at least), the only thing he’s said about his contract is that he wants more guarntees that he’ll be here longer. McCoy was just extended recently, but granted, is probably the one guy on this team that deserves a look at his contract that would be eligible.

            So, you have one. Out of 53. Congratulations? And even he was recently extended, and the Eagles typically have a policy of not redoing deals frequently, so he might have to wait a bit. They’re not looking at FA in a vacuum….they gave out a $100 mil to their own guys weeks ago. If anyone’s looking at FA in a vacuum and treating it the same regardless of circumstances (that is what that phrase actually means), that’d be you.

          • Armchairgm3

            Actually, I’m not. But I appreciate you explaining the meaning behind a phrase that is readily apparent.

            You asked for examples. Here’s 6: D Jax, McCoy, Foles, Cox, Kendricks and Boykin. 1. If you think someone like D Jax, who has shown throughout his entire career to be a diva, will not be watching how much $ they give out to free agents, you are crazy. If I remember correctly, the rest of his contract is not guaranteed. So he wants a new, or at least restructered deal. But I guess you are right, it’s not like he has shown a propensity for letting his contract situation affect his play in the past, has he? Oh wait…
            2. McCoy just had the best season of any other RB in the league. I hope you’re right and he doesn’t ask for a new deal, and he has not shown to have the DeSean Jackson mentality, but it is not out of the question that he would see this and want to get a raise. And I wouldn’t blame him.
            3. Foles: He is getting paid $600k this year. Pre tell, what do you think his agent will say if he puts up numbers anywhere close to what he did last year, if the Eagles meet Byrd’s asking price of $9 mil/year (i.e., the highest paid safety in the league)? Think that won’t have an impact? Think that isn’t something the Eagles have to consider this year because it will affect their flexibiity next year? You tell me. But we both already know the answer.
            4. Same with Kendricks, Cox and especially Boykin. Three up and comers. The former two were somewhat inconsistent. But the latter is quickly developing into the best nickle corner in the league. And these guys will have given 3 years of their careers to the Eagles, and you better believe they will be using any large contract the Eagles give out to free agents as leverage in deals.
            5. The big free agency splash is exactly what killed this team in 2011. not only because the players did not pan out (Nnamdi), but also because the productive ones did not fit chemistry wise (Babin), and because it created a rift in the locker room between the hometown players and the free agents — Roseman’s words, not mine. You suggest that won’t happen this time around because the Eagles shelled out $100 million to our own players. But you ignore that the Eagles did the exact same thing the year before Andy’s last season and we still had chemistry issues. So let’s not act like giving big money to Byrd is a move that everyone will just accept and be happy about. History suggests you are wrong. And so does common sense.

          • aub32

            Byrd is top 5 or higher at his position. Outside of Foles, none of the 2012 class is going to demand that kind of money. Also, Cox was a 1st round pick and hasn’t exactly out played his contract. So there’s no real need to extend him next year. DJax and McCoy are 2 of the highest paid players at their position. For example, Decker will likely be the highest paid receiver on the market and will likely make 1M/year less than Djax’s current salary.

    • philliesfan136

      Howie has been all over the airwaves leading up to free agency lowering expectations, right and left. Guy is a F——ing buzz kill. His crony minions in the media have also been spewing their garbage.

  • oreofestar

    If Byrd want F***ing 9mil a year than PAY THE MAN!!!

  • GEAGLE

    Sources tell CSN that the eagles haven’t shown much interest in Byrd “yet”…whatever that means

    • oreofestar

      I hope the sources are so damn wrong

    • cliff henny

      let the market settle, come in with take or leave offer. no need to get involved with the tire kickers

      • GEAGLE

        That’s how I interpret it…probably had preliminary discussions already like we did with a nnamdi and told his agent, before you sign anything come back to us and let us know the situation and give us the opportunity to match or pass

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Exactly. Made the call and said we’re truly interested & don’t want to waste anyone’s time. What are you realistically looking for? Agent answers & if it wasn’t outlandish…Ok, give us shout once you’ve gotten everyone’s best offer & then we’ll discuss if we’ll top it.

        Bought my house the same way pretty much.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      That came out last night. Means they made a call & said what do you have on the table & what are you looking for? Ok, give us a call back once everyone’s made their best offer and give us the courtesy of the chance to be the last to counter.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Just out of curiosity, anyone have any thoughts as to why the Eagles FO prefers to keep hush? Do they really stand to gain anything from it? It’s not like last year when there was fear that the league might slap wrists for info getting out on deals. The league’s own website/network is reporting deals being struck. The only thing I could think of is that they just don’t want their opposition to know what deals they’ve made & be able to counter with a move of their own. But even that doesn’t make that much sense as there will still be players available after 4pm tomorrow.

    • oreofestar

      I just think there is no gain letting the world know what you are trying to do

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Ok, that’s what I figured the answer would be. But don’t you think if a team has a deal with a player, that other teams will figure it out anyway? I’m not disagreeing, just trying to bring up some talking points while we eagerly await some info.

        • oreofestar

          It is for the best, I hate it too but if we sign Byrd all will be good in the end

        • MoreViolence

          like the draft teams will compete for players they like or alternatively just to make sure you pay an astronomical price for that player. remember all 32 teams are striving for the same goal so no one really friends at this point.

        • G_WallyHunter

          It likely has a lot to do with leverage as well, knowledge of one team pursuing a player may create unwanted leverage and make it more difficult. Plus, its the professional way of going about things, Eagles have always kept things internal and this is just another example of it. Players and agents likely respect that about the organization.

    • GEAGLE

      It’s the smart thing to do….they literally gain NOTHING by being blowhards like Snyder who announce to the world that they will spend big in FA….maybe being secretive doesn’t end up gaining you any advantage, but announcing your plans DEFINITELY doesn’t gain you anything.. I know it’s frustrating right now, but I wouldn’t want to see how GM operate in any other manner

  • Tom W

    Have 7 holes to fill between free agency and draft … Starting safety, safety, corner, olb ilb guard wr …. Will only realistic chances of addressing 4 in draft w quality guys … Need three holes filled in free agency …

    Looking over depth of free agency … It’s two safeties and a corner … One maybe 2 starters. Anything else beyond jones and a new kicker is gravy

    • oreofestar

      Byrd, depth guys that is the Free Agency plan

      • EaglesFanInPhx

        I hope you speak for the Eagles FO.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That’s basically where it’s at, except I’ll go more with need starting safety/safeties, then depth elsewhere. Especially now with the OLB options run dry.

        • oreofestar

          maybe, but if they get Byrd than that alone makes me happy

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Me too. I think he adds a dynamic that we wouldn’t get from any other player in this FA market. I know I made the bold prediction of Byrd & Mitchell, but that was based off something I stumbled upon and just went all in with it.

          • oreofestar

            Too be honest Byrd would make even Wolff look pretty good if we get Byrd we are in a great position and it gives us ton of flexibility

      • Tom W

        Thanks genius. And when the raiders give Byrd 5 for 55 what’s your big free agency plan … Cry? Byrd ain’t happening so we need 2 safeties most likely and another depth signing at a need position so we can go bua in the draft at all picks

  • mtn_green

    I think the league is waiting out Byrd and Ward see of they’ll come down. Last year eagles waited till price dropped on Barwin.

    Or some idiot team will jump early and set price high on safety fa’s.

    • Eagles1018

      Redskins (see: idiot team)

    • Jerry Pomroy

      That’s more or less what happened with MJ. They called and said what are you looking for & when they heard the response they were like…You want what?? Yeah, umm we are just not even in the same continent. But good luck and let us know if anything changes in the interim.

      Edit: I was speaking to the former of your comment. I think someone jumped the gun on MJ & gave his team googly eyes.

  • DEBO 215

    Why is all the chatter about Byrd? Why not TJ Ward? I’d much rather have Ward.
    The Skins’ don’t have the $ to sign Byrd.

    • oreofestar

      Ward has a crazy market and will be overpaid, I like him too but I do not think he will be that much cheaper than Byrd

      • Jerry Pomroy

        You mean like Byrd…

        • oreofestar

          I think Byrd might get 1 mil a year more than Ward I think the difference in skill is more than worth that

      • DEBO 215

        Well Byrd has a crazy market too…If we’re going to spend I’d just rather spend on the better player. I’d love to see them sign Ward AND draft Pryor. Solidify that back end.

        • oreofestar

          But Byrd is the better player

          • DEBO 215

            That’s where our opinions differ. I think Ward is the better of the two. Splitting hairs really because they’re both good but I like Wards game more than Byrds.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yeah, I don’t see that either. But you’re entitled to your own opinion.

          • Will

            I want both Pryor and Byrd…the best FA to go with the best Draft prospect…I’m greedy…lol…

          • anon

            safety isn’t that important. we aren’t going to become seatlle just b/c we overpay for backend talent.

          • Will

            Would argue Safety is extremely important with all the pass happy offenses need a combination CB/LB skill set and the number of quality player’s at the NFL level is limited so supply and demand drives the prices…

          • anon

            Pass rushing.

          • aub32

            You’re right. Pass rushing is important, and poor to mediocre safeties can be hidden with a great pass rush. However, do you see a pass rusher available with Byrd like credentials? I don’t. So why do you keep bringing it up. It’s not like signing Byrd will prevent us from getting some super stud pass rusher. Not to mention, having a safety that QBs will have to watch out for will give our current pass rushers an extra second to get there.

          • Will

            Hey I want Byrd don’t get me wrong…..would improve the D instantly we do need a better pass rush as well…

          • aub32

            No one is disputing we need an OLB. However, the upgrade from Cole to the best 3-4 OLB FA is no where near the upgrade we will be making going from Chung to Byrd.

          • Will

            Agree Safety should be a priority with just Chung and Wolff on the current roster….Chung is a coverage liability and Wolff is a rookie who just wasn’t ready for prime time….

          • anon

            You can mask poor pass rush a little with great secondary play, but frankly getting beat over the top wasn’t our issue, it’s almost like we need a better box safety for those crossing / underneath routes that were killing us.

            But if we allocate 9mm a year + 1 pick to safety (this was comment i was responding to) I think that’s way too many resources for a position that’s not THAT important.

          • aub32

            To touch on your “not that important” point, the team with one of if not the best Safety duo in the league just won the SB. Yes you can point to their pass rush, but a lot of those guys weren’t as dominant on the other teams that they played for previously. Having good safeties will not just improve the pass rush by giving them extra time. We can also design more creative blitzes with the knowledge that our safeties can cover. Our CBs won’t have to line up 7-12 yards off the ball because we fear our safeties will get beat deep. Our defense will only be as strong as our weakest position. Why not turn our weakest position into bonafide strength.

          • anon

            Coaching matters. We could have Seattle’s secondary and still not have Seattle’s secondary.

            EDIT: I meant not that important relevant to other positions.

          • aub32

            Given the level of talent or lack there of we have on defense and the fact that we just implemented an entire new scheme, I’d say we have some pretty good coaching on the defensive side of the ball.

          • Will

            Very well put….Go get two high caliber Safeties Bryd/ someone…

          • DEBO 215

            I think it’s very important, but I agree that they need a better pass rush. I think they’d have a decent pass rush if they could get a space eater in the middle.

          • anon

            That’s what i think too. We’ll see.

          • peteike

            This would be great, been saying this same thing. Be so nice going into camp with those 2

        • Rahkem

          We’d have to get agressive to get Pryor , probably trade up , but in this draft with how deep it is it might cost you less than previous years.

          • Will

            Pryor would be a nice addition….finger’s crossed…

          • DEBO 215

            I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s there at 22.

  • Rahkem

    The jump in cap made alot more teams a contender for major free agents so the prices seem to be out of hand as a result lol. That said , it’d be disappointing if the eagles didnt get an above average starter out of FA. Byrd , Ward , Houston , Verner , Cromartie , Johnson , theres too many guys they could target. You cant tell me its not worth taking a flier on 1 guy , you gotta believe in your staff and if they believe someones a fit you cant be scared to pay.

    • CJ

      Cromartie? I don’t even care which, no thanks. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice….

      • Rahkem

        Antonio LOL , hes likely to take a team friendly deal with much younger CB’s on the market ,

        • CJ

          I’d prefer the other one (DRC), and even then he’d be about the 6th or 7th one down my list. Pass.

      • DEBO 215

        They’d likely have to pay his back due child support again just to push the deal through…No thanks.

  • docboy75

    the comment about Vick may be interested in being a back up to the 49’ers cuz they have Superbowl aspiration kind of rub me the wrong way.. what? we don’t have Superbowl aspiration? Hope he goes there.. then Colin K. gets hurt mid season, then Vick comes in and blow the season for them…
    secondly..I would be fine if the eagles put an offer on a table for Byrd.. if the dude wants to play for Kelly and a team with a legit chance to the Superbowl.. he will pick up the pen and sign it.. if not.. Via Con Dios dude… but I don’t want a guy that would sign with the eagles cuz we are the one that made the biggest offer.. they have to WANT to be here…

    • docboy75

      my second point applies to Ward and any other FA out there…

      • G_WallyHunter

        Yup, and good thing eagles FO is well aware of this, fit is more important than the players talents with them

    • Nfl All Day

      Thats the conclussion I’m settling on. If Byrd or Ward go a sign with CLE, or TB, OAK, etc…..F#CK EM! Doesn’t take a genius to see where Philly is headed. I understand this contract is their shot a caking up, but if you want a legit shot at winning, I can count the teams with a strong SB chance on one hand…..SEA, SF,DEN, NE, (the 1st two are strong teams overall, the 2nd two, good teams with great QBs.). I put us in the next tier with NO, GB, CINN, PHL(again 1st QB driven w/ok team with some strong aspects, CINN very solid team that’s as good as it’s QB play. And the EAGLES. Great balance and potency on an offensee that has YETto peak. Porous defensen growing into a new scheme, with enough talent to flash at times.)

      If he’s a true competitor, guys like TJ & Byrd realize they could be the piece to bring it all together, and maybe concede some money, for a shot at the Lombardi.

      I always use the example of Pat Burrell vs. Donavan McNabb, when talking about what it means to be a winner in this town. Each was a high pick with higher expectations. Each took tremendous criticism. McNabb undoubtedly had the better career, yet once Burrell won a championship, as a roll player, not even a main cog by that time. All is forgiven. His legacy will have its highs and lows, but overall will always be a positive one. McNabb, the best QB in modern franchise historynand borderline HoFer, will always|ays be divisive figure who ultimately let us down. Thats the power of bringing a title to Philadelphia. If you give us your all you will be a king. If you win it all you will be a GOD. If either of these guys want to be a legend, than this is the proving ground. If they wanna be rich, Lake Erie is surprisingly beautiful.

    • aub32

      Just because guys want to get paid what they are worth doesn’t mean they don’t want to win. The owness should be on our FO to come up with a good offer for a guy that would greatly help out this team. Some of you kill me with how you want players to be all about the team and give discounts to winners. News flash, we were just 4-12 a year ago. Who’s to say the Browns or Bucs can’t have that kind of turnaround under new regimes.

      • docboy75

        I’m not talking about a discount.. I’m talking about a realistic offer, that is on par to their skill level… I was speaking in reference of the Asomugah (sp?) debacle…got the top dolloar.. just showed up but had no heart…

        • aub32

          That’s one player. Just because that happened with Nnamdi does not mean that every player who gets paid top dollar will crap out. Nnamdi lost a step. Byrd really doesn’t have a step to lose.

          • docboy75

            There were more than just one player.. pretty much the whole 2011 free agency class were “bought” out with no heart..even with the trade for cromartie…
            that year gonna leave a bad taste for a while

          • aub32

            Whoa! So it was all on the players? Did fans forget all the terrible coaching mistakes? Castillo should have never been hired as DC. Washburn was the Incognito of coaches. Andy held no one responsible for anything. Let’s not forget Babin, though not loved by fans, came in and challenged for the single season sack record. Jenkins was playing his butt off. DRC had absolutely nothing to do with money. The guy was the best CB for a team that just went to the SB. He needed to be coached. Vince Young just wasn’t very good, especially in Reid’s system. So again I attest that it was one player that got paid top dollar and didn’t show up. Fans just tend to forget the details and group everything into one category.

          • Corey

            Totally agree. Reid was an idiot for hiring Castillo and because he hired Washburn first he couldn’t get anyone else to work with him. Castillo only had HS coaching experience on defense. Anyone could have seen it would be a disaster, I can’t believe Lurie let that happen. You almost can’t blame Nnamdi for sucking in that defense, almost.

          • docboy75

            I nearly had an aneurysm when they announced Castillo for the D-cord position.. I agree the coaching held the bulk of the faults..im just saying that you gotta check the players heart/motivation. They been doing an better job of that in the recent year, ill give them that.

          • aub32

            I’m saying that the other players weren’t bad. Babin was brought in to get sacks. He got those. Cullen played well. They were tasked to live up to the “Dream Team” moniker. Just because they did not, doesn’t mean they didn’t have heart.

  • http://batman-news.com theedevilsadvocate

    with all the hype on byrd and ward i would like one of the two but if we cant hope we get the best players available at team friendly prices. either way it goes that 4-12 season was rock bottom only way we can go is up now. still hoping for a surprise canon ball though.

  • anon

    The Philadelphia Inquirer suggests the Eagles as a landing spot for free agent DL Mike Neal.

    • Rahkem

      LOL i really dont want no fucking mike neal , but ill take him , its a start. Purdue Pass Rushers have been good historically so i guess theres that.

      • anon

        Haha i know, but he ‘s got the size and played LB/DL for packers.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          That wouldn’t be an answer move, but more stalling from giving a definitive answer.

          • GEAGLE

            Dumb signing….the next OLB we pay Millions needs to have 11plus sack potential off the edge, Instead of taking snaps away from our young DLinemen…we have enough 3Techniques on the roster, we NEED a damn 3rd I down edge rusher, and to me, Neal is a lateral move to Cole. Quality player against the run, 8 sack per year potential…that’s not something we should be investing millions in, when we already have these 8 sack guys who are tough against the run in Cole and BG….

            I’m not even sure if we are actually interested, or if this is just a name that dope media members keep going with because he is cheap and can play multiple positions…really don’t see how he has a major impact getting off the field on 3rd down, which should be our only concern after taking care of starting safety

  • Will

    29 hours till the fun begins….Sign Donnie Jones, a Place Kicker, OLB and 2 Safties and go into the draft for BPA with no holes to fill…Go Howie Go!

    • oreofestar

      29 but yeah…

  • TNA

    After reading every pixel related to Byrd/Ward/Jenkins and the Eagles, I’m getting bored of reading the same thing over and over again.
    But here’s what I’ve been gathering overall from a 20,000 foot level –
    1. Right now, in terms of salary, safeties are not a premium position. In fact, they’re the 3rd worst paid players in the league – in front of only TEs and Kickers/Punters.
    2. There appears to be a trend of putting much more responsibility and needing more athleticism from the safety position – they are essentially a combo LB/CB and teams/fans want someone who is fast, long, smart, disciplined, built to chase down RBs, and take out TEs.
    3. It’s interesting, but not surprising that the two most hybrid positions (TE and Safety) are the least well-compensated after kicker/punter. This is where a lot of teams are trying to maximize value-add to their teams.
    4. Jimmy Graham is changing the value proposition for TEs (and deservedly so).
    5. Byrd is trying to change the value proposition for safeties (questionable whether this is as deserved as Graham).
    6. But if Byrd/Ward do increase the amount of budget dedicated to safeties to be somwhat on par with CBs and LBs, I wonder if talented younger players will look to become safeties as opposed to trying to position themselves as a higher-salaried CB or LB – and if young veteran LBs/CB that have the athleticism to play safety, don’t mind switching positions.

    • Ej Cohen

      Well Said

    • Nfl All Day

      Well put. It’s very interesting premise when you think what a guy like Deion Sanders could have done if a coach told him, “You’re the center fielder. You have no man coverage responsibility. Any ball that goes up is your’s. Go get it!”

      • CJ

        That might’ve been a mess. Safeties have to tackle too.

  • Eagles1018

    Mike Neal apparently is a name popping up for Eagles today as well. I would imagine he’s too big for OLB. He’s 285, bigger than Cole weight wise but the same height at 6’3″. I know you can’t upgrade from Cole right now (likely your starter) but why look at Neal if you still have Brandon Graham on your roster? Unless there is any truth to trading Graham and a draft pick for Dion Jordan. Then, it still wouldn’t make sense. Waiting until Tuesday is killing me.

    • Rahkem

      Graham is not in our long term plans , that is clear , whether we trade him or not

    • GEAGLE

      This isn’t a name people are hearing real Intel about, this is just a name the inquire keeps suggesting as a good fit for us because he is versatile, playing 3-4DE and OLB…I think he is a possibility because he won’t be that expensive, but I don’t know how bad we really want him…

  • Token

    The Eagles have looked into Raiders edge rusher and pending free agent Lamarr Houston, I’m told. – Les Bowen

    If anything is too believed, the Eagles keep looking into the FA rushers. They must not like the top of the draft OLBs all that much.

    Dont know much about Houston. Can someone tell me why a guy with 16 sacks in 4 years is considered a hot commodity?

    • anon

      cost

      • Token

        im confused. Isnt he going to be expensive?

    • GEAGLE

      Houston is one of the best players on the market and one of my favorite young players in the NFL..Les is an idiot and I don’t believe a word of this!
      ,,
      First of all, Houston would be VERY expensive..secondly, he would have to start over Cox, possibly Ced(but he is a much better 3tec then 5tec)..We ain’t sending Cox to the bench, and Houston isn’t going to sit on anyone’s bench.
      As much as I like Houston and would be so damn happy to hear that we signed him, I think adding 50yr old champ Baily is more likely….

      If we are going to add THAT type of player, it would be Mike Neal, no way it’s Houston,and I like Houston infinitely more then Neal.

      • Token

        ooo ok 300lbs. Well now it makes even less sense. Im not signing a expensive option to sit down Cox or Ced.

        • GEAGLE

          Yeah it’s insanity..some people are saying we could also use him at OLB, I have no friggin idea where that crap came from….really really like him, I just don’t see how it makes any sense whatsoever???dude gonna make some serious money..

          Expect him to land with the packers(although Datone Jones kind of makes him redundant..if the pack signs him, they def wouldn’t bring Neal back

    • Stuart Philp

      Likely that the top OLB picks will be gone by #22… Or just due diligence.

      • GEAGLE

        Hello…he weighs 300lbs…he plays DL, NOT OLB!!!

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That’s what I’ve been saying. #22 is a bit late to wager on the top tier OLBs & too early for second tier. #54 is probably too late for second tier. FA market is drier than AZ heat. If they’re gonna target OLB, they’ll have to make a move either way via trade or draft.

  • Lthompson

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they pulled off the Dion Jordan trade. I have a feeling the Birds are gonna hit us with something BIG here shortly and we will all be like. DAMN THEY DID THAT!!! All while not breaking the bank at all.

    • Nfl All Day

      DUUUUDE! I’ll say it everyday because the reporters who got this Dion rumor going didn’t. Jordan’s guaranteed bonus is $15M and change. The Dolphins would have to pay that ALL this yr if they trade him before June 1st, or they could spread it over this yr and the following 2 if they waited til after June1st.

      The first option is dumb because $15M is almost half their cap space, $33M, GONE! To trade the kid you just spent a 1st round, 3rd OVERALL pick on?? The second, dumb because you’re paying him almost $5M in 14 eithery way, if he plays for you, or you trade him and prorate the penalty.? For these reasons, that story was some BS made up by a writer who was either out of ideas, or out of his mind. No go.

      • anon

        Could do a June 1st for 2015 picks and players?

      • aub32

        Didn’t the Browns just trade Richardson in his 2nd year?

        • anon

          After June 1 of his second year.

          • aub32

            I wasn’t saying the trade comes before June 1. I was disputing the 2nd point that even trading him after June 1 would be dumb and not going to happen.

          • Nfl All Day

            Even after June 1st, you’re talking $4.5-5M per year for 3 years. Whatever picks they get in return,you could basically add that to their salary, and then decide how much it’d be worth it to the Dolphins. T-Rich cost CLE about $10M for 2.5yrs of prorated dead money.You might say,”See told ya it can be done.”, but then remember the guys who made that deal (Banner and Lombardi), just got their ass’s CANNED!

          • aub32

            That’s a reach. They did not get fired for trading TR. In fact, I don’t think you can find a person who doesn’t say that was a great trade, and they fleeced the Colts. Howie has also been able to fleece a team or two. I just think with our GM and CK’s ties to Jordan that it is more than some shot in the dark conclusion.

          • Nfl All Day

            Yeah it’s a crazy game. But you throw $10M of my money out the window like it’s an old Puffy video and we gonna have a problem.

  • GEAGLE

    Looks like ravens will lose my boy Corey Graham, word is the skins are interested! they could offer him the Nickle CB spot, which we can’t offer him, so I hope we make him a dime CB, replace COLT as our ST ace(much better defender then Colt), and offer him some bogus chance to compete for a starting safety position just to entice him to sign with us(hell no he ain’t winning the starting safety spot)

    He should never start for us, but he would be one of the first guys off the bench if someone gets injured in our secondary. He has a knack for making plays when he gets into games. backs up most spots in your secondary, we would use him in subpackages so it’s not like a Colt Anderson who we never want on the field with the defense. Pro Bowl special teams player, to lead our special team…Corey and Cary stepped up when guys got injured and made some BIGTIME plays to help the ravens win that Super Bowl run..
    .,,
    Oh, btw, he was Chip Kelly’s most talented player when he was coaching at New Hampshire..2years 1.5mil

    Not a sexy name fans should get excited about, but replacing Colt with Corey is a major upgrade to our team in a few different ways, ST play, secondary depth, and a guy we want to play in subpackages

    • GEAGLE

      Edit 2yrs 3mil…..really hoping his relationship with Chip can get him to shun the skins to lead our ST and bring depth to our secondary

  • thaGOAT

    I doubt Vick will sit behind Kaperbitch, Kap can’t throw for shit and is way to overrated. If he wants to play backup for a superbowl contender then stay in Philly.

    • docboy75

      totally agree.. I’m fine with him leaving to be a starter somewhere.. but to go somewhere else to be a back up cuz that other team has a superbowl aspiration kind of like flipping the bird to the eagles.. ( no pun intended)

      • thaGOAT

        No matter where he goes I see him losing his job to injury. He’s not starting material anymore, He should remember who took him in when no one else would and retire an Eagle. But oh welll we’re in the Foles era now.

        • aub32

          We weren’t the only team willing to take him.

  • GEAGLE

    Snyder running around like a chicken with his head cut off I assume..so far, skins are interested on Talib,Mitchell,Byrd.Corey Graham???hahahah and that’s just the secondary lol

    • cliff henny

      then plays Eagles, who run 60 times for 420 yards

      • thaGOAT

        420 huh??? pass it hahah

        • GEAGLE

          Easter is on 4-20 this year :)

          • anon

            dinner is gonna be extra delicious

          • GEAGLE

            Still can’t believe we trad Mcnabb on Easter..b…just so happens that the compensation we got in return left much to be desired….I still can’t believe Andy would do that to Donovan and trade him on Easter Sunday lol..like if I knew we were going to trade him, I would have been writing “Mcnabbs going to he traded! but we will have to wait a few days because Andy would never disrespect Donovan during Easter Sunday with all his family gathered” hahaha I really still can’t believe we did that, and I would love to know more about it because it seemed very Bizzare to me

          • Uncle Wonder

            lol what was so good about it? i guess it indirectly led to us getting Foles, but we hv had 0 success since then and it has been 4 years!

          • GEAGLE

            It was the first domino that needed to fall to end a regime that was clearly not going to get us over the hump..I’m thankful for a lot that Donovan did for us, but it was time to move on…I just think he deserved better then to get cut on a holiday where all your family is celebrating together

      • GEAGLE

        Hahahaha that would be great….Snyder pridefully throws a billion dollar brand new secondary out there to stop Chip and his stockpile of weapons of mass destruction, and shady goes for 300 yards hahahahahahahaha,

        Btw, I sincerely believe Shady will have a 300yard game under Chip

        • Joe from Easton

          Maybe 300 total yards; I see that as realistic, albeit at a very low percentage of possibility. I don’t see him going for 300 on the ground alone though. I sure do hope you’re right however, because that would be FU**!N awesome.

    • Stuart Philp

      Will someone PLEASE come play for us? anyone? ANYONE?

      • peteike

        what am I missing here, still another day yet right. Im still wondering what everyone talked about over wkend

        • Shane Brown

          The legal 3 day tampering period

          • peteike

            I know I was kind of being sarcastic. Over 1k comments and not much has happened anywhere let alone the Eagles. Its exciting though, fun to guess, I get it

        • Shane Brown

          Teams started legally talking to agents on saturday

        • Will

          Pure speculation who the Eagles will target and sign in FA…lol…

  • thaGOAT

    How about Demarcus Ware?? In this 3-4 defense. and Kelly’s sport science I can see him having a productive season as linebacker. Get it done!!

  • cliff henny

    Jenkins to Mitchell. Now moving up to Bethea. one more rung up ladder to Ward and I’m good

    • GEAGLE

      Huh, where you seeing bathea intel?

      • cliff henny

        hit refresh

        • GEAGLE

          Lol thanks…well if we would consider bathea that means we would consider Whitner, and with gamble here! who knows? Lol funny how we are only rumored to be talking to safeties that are Iike the last guys I’d expect us to add. Maybe I’m off my game, or the media is just consistently off as usual :)
          ..
          I talked about Nolan Carroll yesterday for the fans who are worried about adding starting caliber CBs, which is something I expect us not to have major interest in…but if that HACK Elliot mentions it, we can completely rule him out and cross him off the list…keep reporting on training camp playlists Elliot, thats about all you are qualified to do :)

          • ojdiddoit

            Agree

          • cliff henny

            think Howie talks to anyone he thinks will sign a team friendly 2 yr contract.

          • GEAGLE

            He def talkin to guys who will sign the right contract but I simply don’t believe we will spend millions, bench Brad Fletcher, and replace him with this years Bradley Fletcher.
            .,,
            Philly media, literally just learned Nolan Carroll’s name like a week ago! and they are playing off the fanbase desire for CBs to get clicks…I wouldn’t believe we are adding I him, especially since there is a decent growing market for the kid

  • ojdiddoit

    Nolan Carroll?..NJ.com

    • GEAGLE

      Doubt there is any truth to it….Nolan is just one of the new sexy names of the week that is picking up steam in the media, and so many eagles fans are concerned with adding starting caliber CBs, which I don’t believe will happen, so media just using his name to get clicks. We ain’t signing Nolan Carroll..
      ..
      I wouldn’t give it more then a 5% chance. You Bench Bradley Fletcher and spend Millions if you have a chance at a Richard Sherman, Altueran Verner type of upgrade…you ain’t spending millions! benching Bradley fLetcher just to sign this years version of Bradley Fletcher…
      ..
      Elliot Sharr Parker is seriously one of the top 5 local “reporters” that I respect the least, up there with Les Bowan, and Gonzo

      • CJ

        Depends on the price and the fit. If he’s replacing Roc and Marsh and he’s the 3rd/4th CB, that’s fine. When I say “3rd CB”, I’m assuming Boykin starts and he pushes Boykin inside in nickel situations based on matchups or whatever.

        If he wants Shields money, forget it.

        • Token

          Hes a starting corner.

  • cliff henny

    on hated Cowboys news, those broke bastards are trying to scrounge up enough money to sign Henry Melton.

    • GEAGLE

      Hahahah super expensive dude coming off an injury…go for it jerry lol if he signs with a Dallas he is almost a lock to break his leg again lol

      • cliff henny

        just glimpsing BTB, seems like they expect no one to get signed, romo witten ware etc have went swimming in fountain of youth, and JJ to draft 8 starters, 4 of which are ’14 pro-bowlers. even then, give that team 9 wins

        • GEAGLE

          They also talking to benched Broncos LB Wesley Woodyard.
          ..
          The want to keep hatcher! talking to Melton. Want to cut ware, want to keep ware, don’t want to lose Spencer..”I dunno WTF they are doing, doubt anyone in that building does either…surprised Snyder and Jerry aren’t having a bidding war for Hakim Nicks…he reaks of a dumb signing they make almost every year

          • cliff henny

            there’s absolutely nothing Dallas can do this off-season that’ll make me believe they’ll be able to keep up with Philly in ’15 and beyond. what little cap they’ve cleared will be eaten up by Dez, T Smith and Murray. if they clear some cap this yr by cutting Ware-who was huge reason for5-3 start, JJ will write more garbage contracts and put additional guys on the restructure train. all this while ignoring the elephant in the room, qb coming off back to back off season back surgeries is over 65m against cap from ’15-’17. long live JJ

          • peteike

            Woodyards a decent player, or showed signs at some point, not sure why he declined though or was benched. That was not a good D for a lot of the season

    • Nfl All Day

      On the topic of Allas(no D)….Jason Hatcher on a 2yr deal would be a decent grab. Tho he’s 31, he fits the Big Guy motto at 6’6″ 300lbs. And had 11 sacks and 41 tackles last season. Might want big bucks, but if not….why not.

      • cliff henny

        those ‘nfl sources’ reports/his agent leaked that 7 teams were interested. of course Cowboys’ fans are saying he’s overrated while 5th round picks coming off season ending, bass and crawford, injuries are destined to be impact players. clueless clowns

  • Justin

    I woke up this morning thinking free agency started at 4 today. I hate this world.

    • oreofestar

      These next 27 hours are gonna suck

  • JofreyRice

    eh, Bethea’s another lateral move, IMO. I don’t see a whole lot of daylight between him and Allen. None of these guys are going to be able to hold down the back end if the corners press.

    Howie’s really got feelings about free agents, if these guys are the caliber they pursue exclusively. This strikes me as a very illogical and emotional response.

    • GEAGLE

      First I found it strange that bathea and Mitchell would be the only safety names we are hearing rumors about..then it kind of makes sense lol. When has the media ever really reported a target like this accurately? How often has Howie allowed accurate intel to leak?

      If these are the names, my guess is we are considering someone similar price/age range..
      ..
      Sooooo if the media reports Mitchell and bathea. I’m going with:
      1) Malcom and Whitner
      2) Ward and Jekins

      Mitchell is a blitzing safety…who I don’t think very highly of him, I don’t even see how we could hear his name announced, without the BYRD shoe dropping shortly after…all I know is we better kill these next 27 hours or we will go crazy

      • Nfl All Day

        Bethea would really be a solid move. Better than Jenkins or Clemmons for sure. We shouldn’t down this move.

        • GEAGLE

          No, he would be a solid stop gap…I’d prefer a player who could lead this defense for 4years so we can have some damn peace from having to worry about safety. on the field, he is better then anything we have had since Mikell, I just worry about how long til he loses a step and we are back in this same exact position….last offseason, I would have been THRILLED to see us add him. But you simply can’t sell him to me when you have such a RARE opportunity at a young stud, who would instantly be the most talented player in our secondary, making our corners better while helping Wolff grow, that RARE opportunity to add a top expensive talent to your team, who happens to play the one starting position we have open. And who we have the fortunate of having multiple coaches who have been on their staff so you know exactly who yuu are adding to your locker room, so I don’t wanna hear about that risky “arranged marriage” crap…
          ..
          If only one of the safeties hit the market, I would understand…but we are so fortunate that both are on the market, negotiate with Both, and when they start seeing their other real options are the skins,jets, dolphins, bills,raiders,browns…bet you one starts getting excited about being an eagle and we can work something out.,,.

          Ultimately we can do much worse then bathea! but I simply don’t wanna hear that name until the fat whore sings and Byrd and Ward are off the market

          • Nfl All Day

            No definitely not over TJ or Byrd, but I’ve settled into a semi depression preparing myself for a letdown. Brace yourself.

      • JofreyRice

        I would definitely be open to the idea of Mitchell if he was brought in as a package with a better player–like Byrd, Whitner, Ward, whatever. But to bring him in there alone, as the only solution is just the wrong move. Same thing with your boy Malcolm Jenkins.

        • GEAGLE

          Totally Agree man….I ain’t trying to settle on any of these fools either…what really driving me crazy about Mitchell is the alleged 4-5mil per year price tag. Like are we friggin joking? That dude CANT get 5mil, he just cant

    • Nfl All Day

      Bethea is WAAAAAAY Better than Nate! Had he hit the market 2yrs ago he would have been a top target, which is what suprises me so much about the lack of buzz now. Put him in San Fran and he garners all sorts of praise, guaranteed. Indy in the last 2 years has been in the middle of a transition to 3-4. That may account for a perceived drop off on his part.

      • JofreyRice

        You think? He’s steady Eddie, but he’s nothing special, IMO. I guess he’s an upgrade on Nate, to be fair. I just don’t get why they’d target him instead of Whitner? If it’s not just about money, then I don’t know what it is about. Whitner’s clearly a better player–let alone the top guys.

        • Nfl All Day

          Whitner’s the perfect example. When SF signed him from Buffalo he was a 1st round BUST. Put him behind a great front 7, now he’s a hot commodity. I guess the problem’s that we dont have a great front 7, but better than the Colts for sure.

          • JofreyRice

            nah, Whitner was still bad at times for SF. Almost cost them the NFC Championship game against the Saints. He improved his game (coverage, mostly) out of desire to be better. He’s a better safety now, essentially, than when he went to SF.

    • Token

      One thing I keep thinking about the whole batting average thing. Isnt it better to pay one elite guy 9 mil than pay 3 average guys 3 mil? It just doesnt make a lot of sense to me. The money is being spent either way. But with one option you can truly better your team and the other option just sinks you further into mediocrity.

      I mean, last year they got Barwin and Fletch I guess. Barwin is a ok solid player. Fletch did ok when he played. But thats only a cheap deal for 2 seasons. And then they wasted money on Casey, Chung, Phillips and really overspent for a below average corner in Cary Williams.

      You cant hit a homer if you dont swing for one. Or something like that.

      • Andy124

        Depends on the the alternatives. I’d take 3 mid-tier guys, Barwin, B Fletch and Sconces over a stud and 2 replacement players like Richard Sherman, Roc Carmicheal and Casey Matthews..

        • JofreyRice

          really???????? Seriously???

          • Ark87

            does it really help to have a shut down corner if Roc Carmicheal is getting torched all day across from him? Defense is a different animal, 1 dominant player can get game-planned out of the picture. You need to be good across the board before a dominant player can really have an impact.

          • Andy124

            And Casey Matthews.

          • JofreyRice

            Having one shutdown player can allow you to do all kinds of creative things to help out guys like Roc Carmichael–bracketing coverage, rolling a safety, whatever. Yeah, I’ll take half the field as a potential weakness over the whole 53.3 yards.

          • Andy124

            Focus on the sentence “Depends on the alternatives”. Maybe I should have spelled out that these were intended as alternatives for starters, not just roster spots. I didn’t because all of the conversations have been about starters.

            If the alternaive involves Casey Matthews starting, it’s not a viable alternative.

          • Token

            In what cruel world would Casey Matthews be starting? You dont have to have a crippled team because you have some studs. Thats weird thinking. Its almost like Howie brainwashed you.

          • RIP illa

            Uhh…Yeah…yeah it does. Ask the Falcons that question about Dion. If the guy is a true shutdown corner, like Sherm. OCs and QBs don’t really gamble and take chances like that. Sherm was thrown at twice the whole NFC championship game and maybe like 2-3 times in the Super Bowl!!! It allows D-cords too roll coverage over to the opposite side to provide help for, in this case, Roc. Safeties can be used in more versatile ways also. THIS HAS BE PROVEN. To argue against it is kinda silly!

          • Ark87

            Seattle doesn’t have holes to exploit like the hypothetical that Andy offered.

            Sherman is an awesome player and I’d love to have him here, but in the vacuum of Andy’s hypothetical, yeah I take adequate across the board over excellent in one spot and disgraceful everywhere else.

            Look at the bottom feeders around the league. Almost all of them have 1 or 2 really awesome players on their squads. The problem is if your team isn’t complete, you don’t have a team. And 1 awesome player can’t change that.

        • Token

          Why in the world would that be a better option?

          • Andy124

            Because it involves Roc Carmicheal and Casey Matthews not playing.

          • Token

            But it involves 3 other average players playing. lol.

            You dont get to that next level packing average players onto the squad. They get enough of those from the draft.

            If im starting a Sherman im ok with having 2 Roc Carmichaels on the bench.

          • Andy124

            No, you get there by drafting studs and surrounding them with players that don’t suck. Not by having a couple great guys surrounded by practice squad type guys.

          • Token

            Where are the studs? Howie has been drafting a long time. Where are they?

            Im perfectly fine drafting studs. I want that. But I think rationally. Howies track record shows that they generally arent finding pro bowl caliber players. They generally find the role player solid guy. So we need to supplement that with impact players in FA when given the chance.

          • Andy124

            Where are the studs? This questions can’t be serious unless you’re referring to defense only.

            The answer is that they are hopefully developing or about to be drafted. It’s widely acknowledged that only the last two drafts have been worth a shit. Whether you hold Howie responsible for the 2 before that or not, it’s obvious he’s doing a much better job now.

            So defense only, it’s just too soon to say if they’re drafting studs there. Guys like Cox, Kendricks, Boykin, Wolff and whoever we draft this year could all develop in to a couple of the studs we need.

          • aub32

            I would not include Kendricks or Wolff on this list.

          • Andy124

            You don’t think they have any chance to develop in to studs?

            I don’t see how anyone can have a strong opinion about Wolff considering the lack of info on him.

            And Kendricks is highly debatable. I think he has a nose for making big plays and the speed to make a lot of regular plays too. Just needs a little more seasoning. Maybe that happens, maybe it doesn’t. I only propose that it’s possible.

          • aub32

            I love the physical ability of both players. They are both great athletes with very good measurables. However, they also happen to play two of the most instinct dependent positions on the field. So where it is possible, I will refrain from grouping them with Cox and Boykin who have shown me a bit more.

          • aub32

            I will preface this by saying that the names I am listing are not all Howie’s picks.

            Studs:
            Shady, DJax, Peters, Mathis, Kelce, Cox, Boykin, Barwin

            Stud in the making:
            Foles, Maclin, LJ, Ertz, Ced, Logan, Fletch

            Above average role players:
            Coop, Celeck (#2 TE), CW (#4 CB), Curry, Cole (#3 OLB)
            ….
            I admit we may have a different definition of stud. To me, a stud is a good solid starter that can do their job well. Now if we are talking stars (one of the best at their position in the league) Then that just leaves DJax, McCoy, Peters, Mathis, Boykin, and potentially Cox, Foles, LJ and Ertz.

          • Token

            A stud is a impact player. A top player at their position in the league. McCoy and Jackson you could say. Thats how many drafts ago? Barwin, Mathis and Peters arent picks. Kelce is a center. Boykin barely plays. Cox, maybe one day. Tho I think this scheme isnt great for him.

            The stud in the making thing is really reaching on just about everyone there.

            Thats pretty telling of where this team stands. Hence why id like them to get a impact player in FA when they have the chance.

          • anon

            Wow, i wish i had you as a teacher – I would have gotten straight As just for showing up and turning in my hw

          • JofreyRice

            I could just never see passing up on the best player at his position in the league in favor of three average/below average starters, but maybe that is how the Eagles FO is thinking of it.

          • aub32

            They wouldn’t play anyway. They would just be on the team.

          • Andy124

            See below(or above depending on your sort). My intent was that you’re having to choose between a combination of 3 starters, not 3 roster spots.

          • aub32

            That isn’t the case with this team though. So I guess I don’t see the relevance.

          • Andy124

            Hypothetical situation to illustrate that when deciding between stud+scrub+scrub vs. solid+solid+solid, you really have to take in to account the specifics of the situation.

            The point wasn’t to argue against spending on ByrdWard as I’ve already said multiple times I’m in favor of that.

          • aub32

            I think you made a poor analogy. Right now, I would most assuredly take Sherman and 2 Casey Matthews level players. The reason being is that the Casey Matthews type guys wouldn’t start. Right now we have average to above average starters everywhere except for safety. We aren’t the Raiders trying to fill an entire roster. We have good and great guys on offense. We have good but no great guys on defense. Why get a couple more good guys, who are marginally better than what’s currently in place? Instead go from poor at one position to great at that position.

          • Richard Colton

            Please…we all should be focused on the same thing, the strategy that guarantees no caseymatthews on the team next year. He was one injury away from starting this year.

            I feel dirty for typing “caseymatthews” and “starting” in the same sentence.

      • Nfl All Day

        Running this 3-4 they will never be elite until they find that NT to eat blocks and collapse the pocket. That’ll let them play more honest and take better chances. And guys like Barwin and Kendricks n the 2 CBs will shine.

        • Token

          You can play a version of the 3-4 without a huge NT, but I dont know how you play a 2 gap 3-4 without one. That seems to be the plan tho.

          Barwin is just a solid player. Not really gonna be much more than that. Kendricks, I dont get all the praise for the kid. I want him to be great, think hes got the raw skills to be, but im not holding my breath. And the corners that wont be here in 2015 will shine…..

          Theres much more work to be done here than is generally thought.

          • aub32

            Fletch is only 27. I wouldn’t mind him being here past 2015. Also, I think you don’t give Barwin enough credit. He’s no Ware, but he is a good player. There are far worse options. The guy is good in space. He tackles very well, and he knows how to time his jumps and knock down a pass or 11.

          • Nfl All Day

            #95’s far from perfect, but he flashes at times. When you see him dart thru A gap, blow up a rb, and get home it’s impressive. He’s surprisingly weak in coverage tho? I think he’s out of position if not scheme, but with that speed and motor can be a hellraiser as he matures. Wonder how much weight his frame can handle before he starts to regress. I like the kid. He’s on my “Jersey Worthy” Short List”

        • GEAGLE

          Logan is our NT of the future..he is no accident

    • peteike

      ya you get the sense that since the bargain basement middle of the road signing worked last off season, they will work again. Hes almost said as much so Im preparing to be let down. Im with most in thinking safety hasnt been properly addressed and nows the time to actually do something with Byrd or Ward. We can only hope

      • JofreyRice

        but how much did they work, really? Sopoaga and Chung were abject failures. They brought in a solid starter in Barwin, that can drop, but can’t rush. Fletcher and Williams are meh…both had their ups and downs. I like Fletcher better, but once again, he missed games with injury.

        • peteike

          ya but being that the team made the playoffs its looked at as successful. Sop was really minor anyway, Chung failed but others were decent enough (minus Casey)

          • JofreyRice

            OK, I think the fact that they made the playoffs colors everything for us–probably what’s driving us all to hope they seize the brass ring, and fix safety, now, while it looks like the Birds are legit contenders. But why do you think they made the playoffs? Because of guys like Barwin and Williams and Fletcher, or because of Chip’s offense, Shady, DJacc, and the emergence of Foles/Cooper? I think it’s much more the latter than former–and I think they made the playoffs in spite of the defense, rather than because of it. I don’t really credit the strategy of adding those guys in a batting average approach as contributing much.

          • peteike

            I dont disagree at all, just trying to think how Howie might. I meant Casey as in not used that much per price tag. Came on more at the end.

          • Ig_l

            But all of the guys who you credit with helping us make the playoffs were drafted not free agents.

            I just don’t think Byrd is worth the money. So I think our strategy should be to fill holes so we can go “best player available” in the draft. That way we can keep our two year streak of good drafts alive.

        • Token

          I feel like im hitting my head against the wall sometimes.

          I just cant get to the place where im stoked about all the average guys they brought in last year. Let alone get excited for the average guys they are talking to right now.

          Why is “decent enough” good enough?

          You draft average AND bring in average you stay average. The collective effort of average players ends up making you a mediocre team. Sure, we may make the playoffs in a weak division right now.

          Last year is clouding peoples minds. I think we all liked it for a first year coach, really a first year starting QB. However, it was a easy last place schedule which was made even easier since many teams we faced had injures, in many cases missing their best player.

          If we went into this season with this same roster, or even replacing some average starter with another bum, we would be taking a step back. Maybe even missing the playoffs altogether IMO. The division being down is the saving grace. But I dont really care much for making the playoffs if you arent equipped to do anything with it.

        • aub32

          Isn’t that the point of a batting average analogy. I don’t know many players batting .700. We hit on 2 good solid starters in Barwin and Fletch. CW is adequate and worth a backup roster spot. Soap did what he was supposed to do. He manned the spot until Logan was ready. He even yielded trade value. So I would say that it worked even though I am of the belief that we should make a play for Byrd.

          • JofreyRice

            “good”? I’d say they are both capable of starting, that’s about it. Williams’ game was helped immensely by the loosening of PI calls, but even with that, he played really poorly at times. He just did. Sopoaga was exactly what we thought he was when he was signed–a nothing, a bum. So they swapped a 6th rounder for a late 5th. Good on Roseman for cleaning up his own mess, I guess?

            So they need to sign 8 guys to get 2 starters in free agency? That must mean they have a pretty shitty scouting department, if the only way they can figure out if a guy would be good on the team is by giving him a contract.

          • aub32

            Every guy who is signed isn’t meant to be a starter. Some of the guys, like Phillips, we sign to be a backup. So you can’t really count that against Howie. Other guys, like Kenny Phillips, are low risk high reward guys. So if you expect to bring in 8 FAs and get 8 starters, then I suggest you try to be a little more realistic.

  • All Things Bad@ss

    A lot of chatter about paying a guy like Byrd a ton of dough and how that will Jive in the locker room. As an operations manager myself, it’s always important to have a finger on the pulse of feelings within the organization. Given the unique nature of football as a business, I would think it to be prudent for the Eagles to know going into FA how the players feel about potential moves before pulling the trigger. Knowing that Chip is truly a player’s coach, it wouldn’t surprise me if they had an avenue for the players to sound off on these things in advance of FA. Sure, these guys are professionals, but they’re also young, and as such, certain moves like dropping big coin on outside guys could certainly impose on team dynamic, a la 2011. That being said, if Chip and Howie have determined that the core is all in favor of bringing in whatever talent is necessary to get them over the hump, then this all becomes a moot point. I’m certainly not suggesting they let the players dictate their moves, but it certainly would be a boon to know ahead of time that said moves would be met with excitement rather than resentment. Tick tock tick tock …

    • Corey

      I gotta believe all the in-house contracts they just signed really sent a message to the team about caring about their homegrown proven talent, I think this makes signing any big name in FA much more reasonable in a locker room.

      • All Things Bad@ss

        Actually meant to mention that. I think you’re absolutely correct, but as a general practice, soliciting players’ feelings speaks volumes to their overall care and concern of the players and team dynamic.

        • Corey

          I guess certain players would like being asked their opinion on certain player signings. Gotta believe everyone would say they want more talent around them (so long as it doesn’t hurt their playing time or their wallet) but with this FO there should be money left to go around.

          But I don’t think a team should worry about hurting players feelings though. We didn’t win the Superbowl last year, we’re obviously not good enough, additions are needed. Work hard and prove it or lose your spot. That’s a very big incentive and makes players more accountable. Not saying you said that, just popped in my head.

      • GEAGLE

        Absolutely…and that was one of the major problems with the dream team fiasco, besides the fact that the players weren’t very good(kind of important lol)..we had a locker room with guys expecting to get some of that money, the front office had a bad reputation as it was, and then we just blew boatloads on other teams players…..we practically paid everyone who was eligible for an extension two weeks ago, Howie always talks about saving money for the 2012 class, so even if we pay an outsider, dudes like Mykal!Cox,Boykin,FOles don’t have to worry about not getting paid next year…

        We talk about hurting the locker rooms feelings, but you know what really hurt most of Their feelings? Losing that playoff game! That’s what really hurts. And considering we were literally like a TJ Ward and Haushka away from beating the saints and advancing to the next round, if someone in the locker room has a problem with spending money at an important position where we have a HUGE hole at(we don’t even have safeties under contract), then remove that player from the locker room…I’m trying to win a damn Super Bowl, and I KNOW the won’t be many disgruntled players in I our locker room

        • GEAGLE

          So if we have a player or two who get mad that we significantly upgrade the one position we have a MAJOR hole at, the. Screw that one or two players and get them out of the locker room. We should have a locker room filled with guys who are begging Howie to go get a serious safety so we can have a chance to succeed,..if Desean or someone wants to cry over paying TJ Ward, then get them out of philly

    • JofreyRice

      The talking point about the locker room effect strikes me as a meta argument against the philosophy of free agency in general. Don’t like the premium you have to pay free agents? Fine, draft studs and you don’t need them. Otherwise, you better try and put together the best team you can with the tools available to you. Guys are always going to be jealous of what someone else is making, it’s the human condition. Whether it’s a free agent, or in-house talent that’s been extended. Winning cures all ills.

      • Token

        If a guy crys because a free agent is signed instead of that driving him to be a better player, I dont really want him on my team anyway.

        • GEAGLE

          THIS!!!! We should have 51 players BEGGING Howie to go spend money on a serious safety so we can win a damn superbowl(the two players who get a pass for begging for more safety help are Wolff and Chung lol), but the other 51 players should be collecting a add a safety fund to help Howie go fill the one opening we have with a serious talent!!!
          .
          I don’t want players who will rather have a liability at a position, then see a player who can help take us to the next level get paid good money….most of our players were really hurt by losing that playoff game, most of our players are high Charecter guys who just want to win, and most are happy with their contract…if we have a player or two that get pissed at us adding young probowlers that can help the team because of the amount of money we are paying them, then those two players can F OFF as far as I’m concerned!

          • All Things Bad@ss

            Well, sure. But paying someone a compliment even though they already know how you feel is the “going above and beyond” part that can make the difference. Perception is everything, and showing care and concern in spite of the fact that you might not give a damn, goes a long way. Just another step to protect our investment and the overall dynamic we’re trying to build.

          • GEAGLE

            No idea what you are trying to say or how that relates to my post…you will need to clarify,

          • All Things Bad@ss

            lol … All I’m saying, and this has gone on too far already, is that despite how happy our guys are or how outstanding their character, taking the time to solicit their feelings on bringing in outside guys (at a likely big expense), just goes a long way in terms of assuring their current players that they truly care. And you’re right … these dudes should be begging to bring in ANY piece that will help get us to the Bowl. Tick tock …

          • GEAGLE

            Oh I agree…but we already do that…Chip called JP when we drafted Lane! called Celek and cash when we drafted Ertz..and so on and so on…our coach already has that covered..so whoever is against adding good players at positions we are weak should be cut/traded as far as I’m concerned…doubt you will see Demeco Ryan’s complaining about paying TJ Ward 8millipn to help his defense win

      • All Things Bad@ss

        Agreed. However I’m not so sure that selfless players wouldn’t be able to set aside their “payroll envy” in favor of getting to fondle the Lombardi. Lots of locker room leaders have championed the pursuit of free agents that would command big paydays. My only point was that if Howie and Chip feel it would be openly welcomed among the core, it’s one less concern to dig deep in those pockets of theirs.

  • Eagles1018

    According to Eliot Shorr-Parks of NJ.com, the Eagles have shown interest in 27-year old CB Nolan Carroll, who has played all four seasons of his NFL career with the Miami Dolphins.

    The #Eagles are interested in cornerback Nolan Carroll, according to a league source. http://t.co/zAz1arVCQk

    – Eliot Shorr-Parks (@EliotShorrParks) March 10, 2014 Carroll had a breakout season in 2013 playing in the shadow of Brent Grimes but quietly emerged as one of the league’s up-and-coming corners. He recorded 47 total tackles (43 solo), three interceptions, 11 passes defended and 2.0 sacks. Carroll was a 2010 fifth-found pick (145th overall) of the Dolphins out of the University of Maryland.

    • Eagles4Life

      He had a hell of a season last year. Steady improvement since he was drafted. Get him and send Curtis Marsh packing.

    • Token

      Well thats a starter. So it would be interesting. Does Fletch stay as a 4th CB?

      • Eagles4Life

        *Cary stay as a 4th CB

        • Brandon Boykin, OLB

          People let their dislike of Cary Williams distract them. He had a much better season than Bradley fletcher.

          • Token

            BS. Why do people latch on to defending average at best players. Never will understand that logic.

          • Brandon Boykin, OLB

            Let’s help you understand the logic, then.

            Your reply was “Does Fletch stay as a 4th CB?”

            Eagles4Life, forgive me by the way I didn’t mean to sound condescending, replied with “*Cary stay as a 4th CB.”

            I replied “People let their dislike of Cary Williams distract them. He had a much better season than Bradley fletcher.” To which you said “BS. Why do people latch on to defending average at best players. Never will understand that logic.”

            Well, you sir proposed Fletcher as the 4th CB, not C-Will. You also didn’t propose cutting C-Will, so we’ll presume you still want him on the team. Seeing as you didn’t even propose demoting or otherwise moving C-Will, we can also presume that you would not move him, either. Therefore, according to the Token [Condescension] C-Will is still on the team, in his current position. So, while I’ve “latched *onto defending an average at best player()” you have done the same by demoting Fletch in lieu of demoting C-Will.

            Sounds like you’ve defended C-Will as being better than Fletch as I did.

            Understand the logic now?

          • Token

            My god.

            Because Cary has a gigantic dead money hit and a huge salary. Fletch has a small salary and no dead money. Think.

          • Brandon Boykin, OLB

            But that has nothing to do with… Nevermind. You’re right and I’m wrong, Token [Condescension]. I agree that I need to “Think.” more about issues not mentioned in either argument.

          • Token

            Ill try to walk you through each post from now on. Sometimes I take for granted that people can think beyond the text.

          • aub32

            He had a healthier season than Fletch, but Fletch was definitely better in coverage and making plays on the ball.

          • RIP illa

            That’s funny. I agree that Fletch is and was better in coverage, but as far as making plays on the ball…Fletch’s ball skills left much to be desired. Pretty much we’re none existent for the better part of a season. C-Will was not great by any means, but showed better ball skills.

          • anon

            C-will had one huge play per game.

          • aub32

            You must be including PIs in that statement.

          • RIP illa

            C-Will had 3 PIs the whole season compared to Fletch’s 5. I do think Fletch is the overall the better corner, but the gap is not even close to being as big as people try to make it out to be…at least in my mind. The bigger the challenge and the better the WR, Cary played superbly. He just wouldn’t do it consistently and vs lower tier WRs.

          • aub32

            What? Who exactly did CW shut down?

          • RIP illa

            Who said anything about him shutting down anyone??? What are you even reading right now!!!

          • anon

            I didn’t say shut down, but he came up with a pick or a pass deflection usually in the red zone. I’m not saying he was great, if a QB needed a first down he knew who to throw against.

          • aub32

            I am including knockdowns when I say making plays on the ball.

          • Eagles4Life

            I actually like Cary’s scrappy nature and fire, but dude was ranked like 92 out of 110 corners lol. QBs loved to pick on him, but I will give him credit, dude held his own in the red zone in big moments sometimes too.

          • RIP illa

            Actually I’m pretty sure QBs threw more at Fletch. I do remember C-Will having more timely or important stops than Fletch, but that’s just me. All in all I say, a person cannot sit here and try to praise Fletch while trying to bring down C-Will!!! It’s so stupid cuz they both had their highs and lows at almost an equal rate. They both were better than expected and solid for us this year. And both brought things to the table that this D needed!

          • Eagles4Life

            Cary had the most targets by far. I’m not knocking him, but Fletch is the better of the two. They both had their ups and downs, definitely true, but I think Fletch was much better at defending intermediate passes than Cary, which I think is going to be key going forward if we have that improved pass rush everyone wants. Cary just allowed one too many easy first down catches. That’s not to say some of that wasn’t a function of the defensive scheme itself. At any rate, if there’s a pecking order after FA/draft, Fletch is over Cary.

          • RIP illa

            I stand corrected. Although My point remains that they are not that far apart in production and both played better than any of us expected, bringing different skills to the table. Neither should be though of as a number one.

            According to PFF, Williams was targeted 118 times, let up 70 receptions for a 59.3 completion percentage. At an average of 11.6 yards a pop. While giving up 4 TDs and logging 8 passes defended. And contributing 16 stops.

            In 3 less games (which cuts both ways) Fletch gave up 59 receptions on 102 targets at a 57.8 percentage at an average of 12.2. He gave up 3 TDs and had 9 stops and 8 passes defended.

            Somehow they ranked them like 30-40 spots apart, with Williams being the lower ranked.

          • Eagles4Life

            I think both guys were serviceable…probably splitting hairs when it comes to ranking both of em. Just a personal opinion on Fletch being better. They both can get burned deep if they’re not playing off a little bit lol.

        • Token

          Yea maybe. He would likely cause a problem tho.

          • aub32

            I don’t see CK letting that happen. It’s hard to make a fuss when on the field play determines the depth chart.

          • Token

            Does it really? I know thats the slogan. But, I still see Cary starting and Boykin on the bench.

          • aub32

            We have had this discussion. Boykin is the nickel CB. So he’s on the bench when we are not in nickel. I agree with this. So yes. the play on the field does determine the depth chart.

          • Token

            lol ok.

            The Chip best player plays thing is full of BS. Just doesnt work like that in the NFL all the time. Other factors at play. Cary will start this season based on his salary alone.

    • GEAGLE

      I wouldn’t give it more a 5% chance of materializing..3% since it comes from Elliot…

      Lol we got that hack talking about this years Bradley Fletcher, and worthLES Bowan talking about a 20millipn dollar lamarr Houston who would send Cox or Ced to the bench lolTrusty Tom LAwlor is going all Spadaro over a safety who missed 1 out of every 5 tackles, and I’m not supposed to rip the philly media?

      • Tom W

        your killin it today. nice work.

        • GEAGLE

          Thank you sir

      • JofreyRice

        If they are truly looking at Mike Neal at OLB, I could see them looking at Houston as an OLB. He’s listed at 305, but no way he plays at that. He’s more like 275.

        Why not try Vinny Curry at OLB, if you want a guy that size? Curry seems like the ultimate team player, would probably run through a brick wall if they asked him to. Dunno why he’s gotten such a raw deal.

        • NickS1

          I was hoping they would have done that last year. Keep him at 265 and let him fly around the edge.

        • GEAGLE

          THAT IS EXACTLY why I’m so vocal about not believing it. Like you point out, we already have THAT player if we want him, yet we didn’t give him a single OLB snap…Neal isnt some dude who Dwarfs Vinny in talent…why didn’t we even try to use Vinny in that role, if we are willing to spend millions on it?
          ,,.
          We have a bunch of OLBs who do many things well, EXCEPT the most important thing, rush the passer,.,our Nickle defense is what needs to be improved so we can get off the field..I don’t see how 300lb players lining up at OLB solve our pass rush problems and get us off the field on 3rd, and if it don’t solve that edge pass rusher dilemma, I don’t get why we would spend millions on it, when we are locked into a contract with a top run defender like Cole already? I don’t get it, doesn’t make much sense to me

  • DEBO 215

    Antoine Bethea? Bleh…

  • cliff henny

    Johnny Geagle…Eagles are sniffing around Corey Graham.

    • GEAGLE

      Shocker..told you to put it in the bank months ago :) thanks tho…
      ..
      Then again I find the media to be clueless so I’m not sure if the report is a good sign lol…figured a philly media member would have connected those dots by now, smh

      • GEAGLE

        Should have been EASY for the media to connect these dots and know we would have Interest in Corey

  • TheNest

    I’m ok with bathea….not gonna be the safety of the future but one year maybe two..i think he will provide a nice transition/veteran leadership. Btw all this so far makes me think they will draft Pryor…just a gut feeling.

  • GEAGLE

    As the safety world turns (latest soap opera):
    ..
    Browns are VERY SERIOUS about Whitner, which would spell the end of their Ward/Byrd dreams…they have a lot of money, some them out of the safety sweepstakes would he big for us..

    They saying the dolphins interest in Byrd is a smokescreen leaked by Byrds agent because they aren’t happy with the offers they are getting,,,
    ..
    Since November I have been writing about Corey Graham as a future eagles target! FINALLY someone is hip to it!!!

  • DEBO 215

    Steelers to release Lamar Woodley…
    Would he be worth a look? I’m a big fan of his when he controls his weight. Guy is an absolute problem coming off the edge.

    • NickS1

      Always have to ask, in my opinion. Probably a guy who’d benefit from an offseason with Huls.

      • Stuart Philp

        Maybe conditioning is what he needs, but his injuries over the last few years have hurt his numbers. Bit of a gamble imo.

        • DEBO 215

          Low risk, high reward if it’s a low incentive based deal.

          • Stuart Philp

            So 3 year that’s really a 1 year and tell him to prove it ;)

          • DEBO 215

            Sounds good to me.

    • Stuart Philp

      Does he still have anything left? He’s only a few years removed from being a monster, but 18 sacks in the last 3 seasons is pretty bad.

      • DEBO 215

        Right. I’m not sure if that’s him being on the back 9 or just being on losing teams. It’d be interesting to see him work out for them at least.

      • GEAGLE

        Don’t think he is as old as we think…isn’t he only like 28?

        • NickS1

          29 I read.

          • GEAGLE

            Not bad…thru all his recent struggles, I would still count on him to line up at OLB and sack the QB on a major 3rd and long more then I trust Trent or BG…ATleast he is a real OLB…I wouldn’t pay him a lot. But if we can pay him, Nickle pass rusher money, I’d give him a 3yr deal that we can get out of after year two, to take a run at a SB these next tow years..but I eouldnt pay him. Or project him to be a starter,.!
            ..l
            Some interesting older guys like Woodly.Ware,peppers..

          • NickS1

            Agreed. Have to kick the tires, at the very least. Would love for him to have a career revival here.

          • GEAGLE

            I know his work ethic is rumored to have been an issue, so if he were to sell us on being our Nickle pass rusher, he would really have to sound committed,,,Billy Davis has enough ties to Steelers to really get the inside scoop…even with his rough past few years, I would think he has more left in the tank then James Harrison….we say veteran Dwight Freeney accept a Nickle pAss rusher role last year,,,I would consider any of the 3 if they were willing to take that role

          • NickS1

            Harrison was about 4 years older when he hit the market, so if he doesn’t have more left in the tank it’s a problem….. I feel like if we call asking if he wants to be our nickel pass rusher, he hangs up. He has to be brought in knowing he’s competing with Cole for 1st and 2nd down snaps, knowing that at worst, it ups Cole’s game since he’s competing with a real 3-4 OLB. Also, it means the end of BG.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah but with his recent injury history, preserving his body in a time share may actually appeal to him(obviously I don’t know that to be the case)..but he could look at our sports science and time share as a chance to prolong his career….same exact thing goes for Ware who’s body has been breaking down

          • NickS1

            Fair points. Never know.

          • anon

            who better to teach scheme…

          • Stuart Philp

            If he’s willing to buy into the system and not set in his ways/lazy I could see him turning things around here.

  • ICDogg

    What would be your walkaway price on Byrd if you were in Howie’s place? I figure he’s asking for 9M per year with 27M guaranteed.

    • JofreyRice

      I don’t see a reason to walk away. Make him the highest paid safety. He’s arguably the best in the league–top 3 or 4, at worst–and the Eagles have a boatload of cash. Unless there is some information about his health or attitude I’m not privvy to, I don’t see a good reason not to sign him for whatever.

      • DEBO 215

        Eric Berry and Earl Thomas are a lot better.

        • peteike

          I was about to disagree with you and then I remembered he was on the Bills and an awful thought occurred to me. Non D came from a really bad team also.

          • DEBO 215

            Not hard to stand out on a team that is flat out horrible.

          • DEBO 215

            That’s not to say he isn’t good either…He is pretty nasty.

          • peteike

            I dont know, I do think its harder to assess. Can they just stand back there and pick off plays because they are down 20 in the 2nd qtr. Everyone thought Asomughua was a player, everyone, GMs, fans etc. I dont think thats the case with Byrd but its something to consider, or could make Howie second guess.

        • JofreyRice

          Not by any advanced metrics over the past 3 years. He has more INTS, missed less tackles, let up less TDs, and allowed a lower QB Rating into his coverage than either of those guys. Hell, just compare his first few years on pro football reference with Ed Reed. This guy is the truth.

          • DEBO 215

            He’s pretty nasty, no denying that.

      • TheGhostofNormVanBrocklin

        The issue I bet is the foot injuries he’s suffered. He’s not going to get any faster as he grows older, and especially not with bad feet. So for a safety coveted for his coverage skills those feet of his are a huge potential red flag.

        • GEAGLE

          His undetectable “injury” I don’t believe emerged til the contract problems started…

          • cliff henny

            that’s not great either.

          • GEAGLE

            Eugene Parker type ish…smarter then the Ndomunkong Suh hold out he orchestrated

        • JofreyRice

          You could be right. I’m not privvy to the medical. Sam Monson touches on how he makes up for his lack of elite athletic ability in his breakdown of him at Pro Football Focus, but maybe it really bothers them.

        • peteike

          no, plantar fascitis is not that big a deal. Once its healed its good to go if you stretch. Just lasts a long time and is super annoying. Way way better than knee or other issues.

    • DEBO 215

      4 years, 5th year club option, 6 per with roughly 18 guaranteed and a decent enough bonus…

      • DEBO 215

        This is pretty low obviously…I don’t think he gets close to 9 and 27…

    • philliesfan136

      5 years – $ 40 million – $ 20 mil. gaur. – $ 15 mil. signing bonus

      • ICDogg

        Sounds about right

    • Tom W

      Im walking beyond 5 for 45 and beyond 23 guaranteed.

      • cliff henny

        pretty much. regardless of how it’s sliced, 9m/per and with dead money it’s going to be difficult to structure contract so he isn’t 3 yr guaranteed money.

  • NickS1

    Who is Mike Jones?

    • DEBO 215

      The worst rapper that ever lived.

      • ICDogg

        Next to DJax

        • DEBO 215

          Well played.

        • peteike

          next to Tony Parker. Google Tony Parker rap video for a laugh

      • peteike

        he was great at saying his name though

  • Token

    “The Eagles have shown interest in
    Zackary Bowman” – me

    Not that hard to be a member of the media. I just picked a middling player from FA list at a position of need and said the Eagles show interest. Now spread the story!

    • philliesfan136

      ha , ha , I thought you were making fun of Les Bowen and Zack Berman .

      • philliesfan136

        Les Berman and Zack Bowen…….

      • Token

        I broke the story. See I looked at the FA list. Picked a player that fits the “batting average” approach and just threw it against the wall. Why think? This is much easier.

        • philliesfan136

          Your sarcasm is a ” token ” of my affection.

    • ohitsdom

      Seriously, this endless speculation is ridiculous. I was excited for actual free agency to start to watch where players go. Now I can’t wait for it just to stop this madness.

    • sprawl

      “Sources say Foles will be out of Philly by tomorrow. More details later but Chip likes what he’s got in GJ Kinne and Matt Barkley” – me

      This is easy!

  • DEBO 215

    I want to see, “Eagles show interest in every available kicker not named Alex Henery” be the next entry in this running thread.

    • PaoliBulldog

      Here’s a link to 2014 UFA kickers:

      http://overthecap.com/freeagents.php?Position=K&Year=2014

      The Jets tagged Folk so he shouldn’t be listed.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      The kid from Seattle is the guy you want. Anyone that can kick in the coastal winds coming off the Pacific, is the guy we want.

      Remember that spell where Akers couldn’t figure out the wind at the Linc & missed a ton of FGs? Henery reminded me eerily of that last year. If you can’t kick at home, you need to be couched.

      • DEBO 215

        “If you can’t kick at home, you need to be couched.”
        —-
        Amen bro

  • philliesfan136

    I just read a report that Jeffery Lurie is going to sell the Eagles franchise to someone who is going to by it, without getting the money from his mommy.

    • DEBO 215

      As long as they keep spending when necessary, don’t leave Philly and bring back the Kelly Greens I couldn’t care less who owns it.

      • philliesfan136

        Love the Kelly Greens too. No better time than now to change it up.

      • NickS1

        Isn’t there some weird rule where you need to give the league/jersey makers a year or two heads up to make the change so they can sell out of/stop producing current jerseys? Or is that just a penalty for players changing names?

        • DEBO 215

          Yup, but they don’t tell you when they submit it. For all we know it could be already.

          • NickS1

            I wish. I want to buy my Byrd jersey in Kelly green…… I’m trying to remain optimistic. Next 26hrs are going to be brutal.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Think it actually takes 2yrs after its been approved by NFL.

      • JettMartinez

        Kelly Green is overrated. /Hides under desk

        • DEBO 215

          BLASPHEMER! lol

        • Eagledelphia

          Praise JettMartinez

    • George

      Link??

  • pjcostello

    LaMarr Woodley was just notified that the Steelers will be releasing him with a post-June 1 cap designation, tomorrow…

    Also: Need a kicker? How about Steven Hauschka???

    • DEBO 215

      Hauschka, Vinatieri…IDGAF WHO it is, as long as it’s somebody that is not Alex Henery.

      • Richard Colton

        I’d bet my house they don’t sign a top FA kicker. More likely they bring in a value guy to compete with Henery in camp. I like Hauschuka. I love Kickalicious.

        Also – you may want to be careful, before the Alex Henery “fact” guy starts his nonsense.

        • GEAGLE

          Agreed

        • cliff henny

          revolving door competition all summer with UDFA or 2. Dallas made this work for years.

          • NickS1

            The one thing Jerry knows….kickers.

        • DEBO 215

          Dan Carpenter or Hauschka would be great…hell maybe even Vinatieri.
          I don’t really care if they even sign a free agent rookie kicker or draft one in the seventh round…I just want Henery out of here.
          Facts shmacts, the guy won’t be able to make an extra point when Goodell moves it to a 43 yard fg attempt

        • OldDocRoss

          Kickalicious deserves love. Is it too early to start a collection to get him a ticket to Philly?

          What’s the Alex Henery fact guy? I can’t imagine facts are something that could be used to paint him in a favourable light……

          • Richard Colton

            I’m not kidding Doc. Just wait until there’s a kicker thread. This guy only shows up to talk Alex Henery, then he tells everyone how Henery criticism is unfounded and ends his post with “…I like facts.” He’s like Dutch, but for special teams.

          • OldDocRoss

            How have I missed this guy?!

            I’d kinda like to see it. I mean, I’m a stats guy by trade so I know all about making chicken salad out of the proverbial, but Alex Henery was just bad last year. Bad on tape, bad in a spreadsheet, just bad.

            It seems he had twice as many tackles in his rookie season as Vinatieri did though, so I guess there’s that…..

          • http://batman-news.com theedevilsadvocate

            its alex henery himself then because any real eagles fan has seen him miss all those friggin field goals beyond the 45…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            No let’s invite him into the discussion. Need some entertainment until tomorrow at 4pm. I’d be very worried if they moved PATs back with Henery as my kicker. All the reason to go find someone who can kick in their own friggin stadium.

  • Samn

    I like Malcolm Jenkins and Bethea on 3-4 year deals at a good price. Building through the draft is key. I think spending the right amount of money on unproven/underrated players is a better route than paying big time safeties a large amount of money.

    • peteike

      I wouldnt hate that, I hope its at least a few moves like that if we dont land the big 2

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That needs to be plan B though.

  • TheCatalyst

    Browns in the mix to get both HITner & Byrd??…is this their reward for finally dumping Banner?

    • Clamdigger

      Dream Team. All in.

    • NickS1

      Seems like Pettine understands the value of safety play. Hopefully Howie does, too.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I will gladly attend church services each Sunday if they sign Byrd.

  • aub32

    All this talk about Byrd and his ridiculous price tag only makes me think he will eventually be an Eagle. This is exactly what happened with Nnamdi. The rumor mill at one point was saying he would get around 16M per. The Eagles were never mentioned as a potential suitor. Then when all the smoke cleared away, Howie made one phone call and done. I would not be surprised one bit if after getting the deal done with Peters, Howie said to Eugene (Byrd’s agent) “Make sure you give us a call before signing any deals.”

    • Mr. Wu

      I agree let’s hope it is like Nnamdi….and also let’s hope it’s not like Nnamdi

      • NickS1

        I want to upvote this way more than I can.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I added one for yah Nick.

  • Chris Jones

    I see no problem with bringing Byrd here. We have a good cushion cap wise and he would be a great teacher to our rookies and provide shutdown coverage for atleast another 3-4 years. Just do it and sign a guy like Mitchell or Jenkins to put next to him.

  • anon

    Sky is falling #collusion

    NFL.com’s Albert Breer reports free agent Jairus Byrd is still seeking
    more than $8 million per season, and that his asking price is “scaring
    some teams off.”

    • cliff henny

      I aint scurred at 8m!

      • NickS1

        If it’s only 8 I’m AMPED!

  • peteike

    Corey Graham, Book it with that connection

  • cliff henny

    whelp, down to final 24 hrs. how quickly are signings announced?

  • atvcar

    I know this won’t be popular right away (if ever)… but the iggles have the cap space to entertain signing Graham to an offer sheet.

    It’s a lofty price tag but let’s be honest 1st round picks miss all the time (especially in Philly for some reason)… Graham is on the path to the HOF and is hands down the very best at his position. At this day and time, Gronk with his issues is a very distant second.

    This is a unique situation, and in my opinion a rare OPPORTUNITY. When they come up, and you’re one of a few teams that could even pull it off… you need to act.

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      Did I miss something? Last I saw he was being franchised.

      • peteike

        he was

      • Sean

        It’s the “Non-exclusive” Tag, so he is free to sign an offer sheet with whoever, and if the Saints don’t match, the signing team would have to give up two 1st rounders.

        As much as the Eagles have been coveting their draft picks, I don’t see it coming, especially with a 2nd rounder invested in Ertz

        • EaglesFanInPhx

          Thanks, didn’t see it was non-exclusive.

  • Clamdigger

    “Word is that Jairus Byrd’s asking price has scared some teams off. He’s
    looking for more than $8 million per year, and may well get it.”

    Is it just me, or is this not even remotely “news?” I mean, everyone has been predicting he’d get paid around $8-9m, haven’t they?

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Been painting the nursery for our little girl coming in about a month. It appears I didn’t miss anything noteworthy.

    • oreofestar

      Ya did not miss anything I am expected Jairus Byrd and congrats

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Thanks brother. Wife is getting antsy and needs to start nesting by getting the nursery together. Have two boys (11 & 6). Our first girl. Done at 39yo.

        • oreofestar

          I am a long ways from 39 not thinking about that yet, fretting over Eagles FA signings is enough

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Enjoy your youth, b/c tomorrow you’ll wake up and be 40, still clamoring over who the Eagles are looking to draft or sign. Doesn’t change, you just get older and wiser.

          • oreofestar

            I am almost 20 years away from being that old :P I have been nothing but PANIC the past week over just FA signings

          • Jerry Pomroy

            “I am almost 20 years away from being that old :P”

            Lucky bastard. Don’t rub it in…lol.

          • oreofestar

            I’m sorry! :P

      • Jerry Pomroy

        By the way, I’m telling you there is something to Byrd reaching out to Chung. I looked back a couple of months on Twitter and saw nothing else between them. Seems odd that he’d come outta nowhere on the eve of the legal tampering period. My reasoning behind Byrd & Mitchell is stemming from some tweets between the two the past week or so. Nothing definitive in there between them. Just connecting some dots and trying to add logic.

        • oreofestar

          I am with Geagle in thinking the Skins get MItchell but yeah I really have a hard time believing that tweet was just some friends catching up even if that is what it was

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Could be wrong, but I honestly think Byrd was either digging on Eagles OR already had something in place & was reaching out to Chung to let him know he’s coming to town. I’d be happier than a pig in shit.

            But if not, I’d still be happy (content probably better word) if we grabbed a Mitchell or Jenkins & Bethea as a stop gap/competition to groom Wolff.

          • oreofestar

            I have gotten to the point where I will not be content in fact I will be very disappointed if we do not have Ward or Byrd signed, I know I should not get my hopes up because then I will be even more disappointed if it does not happen, but too late

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I have a soft spot for safety. Played there in HS & Dawk is my fav Eagle all time.

          • oreofestar

            I simply have a soft spot for filling blatant holes on our team

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Well that just adds to my anticipation and frustration.

          • OregonDucker

            You are not wrong. Chung has been working on Byrd like a used car salesman. Chip wants Byrd according to the Oregon grapevine and Chung is helping.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yes, but remember too, Byrd reached out to Chung.

          • Corey

            I can’t get that Byrd/Chung tweet out of my mind either. They clearly didn’t chat that regularly
            before that tweet. If they did, Chung would have gave Byrd his new number as soon as he changed it. I doubt there was something in place already, I feel like he was already thinking about Philly, but wanted a player’s perspective of the Eagles.

            If I were in Byrd’s position I’d want a big payday, but I wouldn’t like joining a team full of total strangers. Sure that’s what happens in the draft, but now he has a choice.

            If Byrd was only interested in money he would only talk about terrible teams and only talk about money, but when asked about the Eagles he said they are going in the right direction. After spending years in football hell, he wants to be apart of something that matters. I would anyway.

          • Nfl All Day

            When you consider the other teams in speculated to be in the running not be very legit contenders and the percieved Oregon connection you gotta feel like there’s a shot. But throw in the fact that a BOSS and a Legend by the name of Brian Dawkins tells you this is where you need to be! Man If Dawk told me I needed to move to Istanbul and become a garbage man, I’d be on my way to Turkey.

        • Nfl All Day

          Twitter Sleuth! I love it.

  • oreofestar

    Dolphins got Delmas so forget about them getting Byrd

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Good riddance. I hit Byrd up on Twitter last night. Said, “Here’s to hoping you find your way to the nest.”

      No response of course which is understandable given circumstances.

  • UKEagle99

    T minus 22, I’m off to bed, see you on the other side!

  • Joe Thomas

    Do you think the Eagles look at Nicks? He’ll be cheap, and if healthy, very productive.

    • Javi Echie

      I doubt that. After resigning Mac and Coop the only way I see them adding a wideout would be thru the draft it’d be cheaper then signing Nicks

      • Jerry Pomroy

        What he said…

  • Amar

    According to John Clayton of ESPN, the Eagles have called the agent for safety Jairus Byrd.It is not yet known how serious the interest is. Clayton reported the contact on “SportsCenter.”

    • Jerry Pomroy

      They’ve been talking to him for a few days now already. Bank it!

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Did anyone else see this on Sportscenter?? I have not, so seeing if anyone else has.

  • ace102

    Guess who was picked 1 spot before TJ Ward…..??? Thanks Red.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Hoping that Avant lands a spot with a contender. I know KC is obvious but he’d look good in SEA.

  • SleepingDuck

    Per Schefter, Bucs planning on cutting Revis by Wed if no trade partner is found. IF Revis is cut, who would pay for his contract? New team or Bucs?

    • oreofestar

      there was not a penny of guaranteed money in his deal, if he is cut he is basically a free agent no extra charge for signing him

    • Average__Joseph

      From what I read, he has no guaranteed money. My understanding is he would have no contract once he clears waivers and is then free to negotiate a deal with any team. If he is picked up on waivers that team accepts and is responsible for his current contract.