Wake-Up Call: Season Ends, Season Begins

NFL: Philadelphia Eagles at Dallas Cowboys

Welcome to the 2014 season.

The NFL doesn’t stop, it just enters different phases. After Seattle’s dismantling of the Broncos in Super Bowl XLVIII, the scene shifts from the big stage to behind the scenes. The Combine is coming up in a couple weeks. Free agency, believe it or not, is just over a month away. The offseason program begins in 78 days.




The Eagles, like the rest of the teams across the league, will spend their days trying to close the gap between themselves and the Seahawks in hopes that this time next year it's green and white confetti falling from the sky, not blue and green. They have some work to do.

Howie Roseman, Chip Kelly and Co. need to decide just how aggressive they should be in their immediate pursuit. It's tempting to look at Seattle's insanely gifted defensive unit and conclude that several marquee additions are needed if you have any hopes of pulling close to even. But management has made it abundantly clear that chasing down high-priced free agents is not their preferred route. There is no question that the 2011 offseason is still top-of-mind.

We got another reminder of that this week when Jeffrey Lurie joined the Dan Le Batard show and was asked: What was the dumbest money you ever spent?

"On a lesser scale, it might have been a few years ago with us and free agency. All these high-priced, famous guys, and very few played to their potential. It just wasn't the way to go and it was all just poor money spent."

The hosts egged him on, trying to get him to name Nnamdi Asomugha directly.

"Great guy, not a productive player that year," said the owner.

It's important to learn from your mistakes, and that's what the Eagles are trying to do. There is also such a thing as over-correcting, where you are so  intent on avoiding a similar fate that you get hurt by pushing things too far in the other direction. This is something the Eagles need to be conscious of.  They can't avoid all big-name, big-money players simply because they struck out on a handful of guys a couple years ago.

If they are looking at Seattle as a model (and they are), they know that the Seahawks share the same principles  as it pertains to developing your roster and culture through the draft. But they took some shots as well. They signed free agents Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett to help solidify the defense; coughed up three picks to obtain Percy Harvin, then gave him a six-year, $67 million deal, a move that produced little fruit until he racked up 137 all-purpose yards -- including an 87-yard kickoff return -- in the Super Bowl.

Where to pounce and where to hold back? Who to chase down and who to avoid? What moves will take them to the next level? These are questions the Eagles will grapple with over the coming weeks and months as the pursuit of their first Lombardi trophy continues.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Kelly finishes fourth in Coach of the Year voting. 

Lurie talks Super Bowl, quarterbacks and more.

Will the Eagles roll out the same starting five offensive linemen next year? Sheil and I discuss.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Jeff McLane caught up with Jimmy Johnson, who knows a little something about making the transition from college to the pros.

"I like Chip's approach," said Johnson, who was in New York last week promoting Fox's coverage of Super Bowl XLVIII. "For instance, when we came in the league, we played a [defensive] coverage. Phil Simms told Bill Parcells when we played the Giants, 'Hey, they're playing that college coverage.' And Parcells said, 'You better learn that college coverage because these guys know what they're doing.'

"It was Cover 2. Now everybody in the league plays Cover 2. Hey, it was successful for us in college, so I said it will be successful for us here. And I think Chip Kelly is taking the same approach."

Adam Schefter on who may be interested in Michael Vick's services.

COMING UP

Sheil will offer some Super Bowl observations with an Eagles slant.

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  • DirtyWaters

    Due to my love of hard hitting defense I probably enjoyed that Super Bowl more than any I can remember. However,, it made me sad to think that, no matter what strides we made in Year 1, the eagles are at least 2-3 years away from potentially being that good. Congratulations, Seattle. Way to dominate in all three phases.

    • GreenBleedin

      This was just one of those games in the NFL when one team is “clicking” and puts on a dominant performance. They are never as good as they look in those games…. and neither is Seattle. Remember, they were a pass being 6 inches higher from watching this game on TV.
      Seattle is a good team, just not as invincible as they looked last night.

      • DirtyWaters

        As always, in this Age of Parity, it’s going to come down to the two points you mentioned. Perhaps I should have been clearer. All I’m saying is we are a long way from having a defense like theirs.

        • WolverDawk

          We will probably never have a defense like that, to be honest. I think Chip likes offense so much that it will never be that much of a priority. He obviously wants to improve the defense but he might be okay with a defense that’s just good enough to keep them in games.

          • DirtyWaters

            Sad but true.

      • Uncle Wonder

        What difference does it make? They won the Super Bowl, no one is invincible, no point throwing stones. Ill be happy to be a good non invincible team if it gets us a chip

        • GreenBleedin

          No stones being thrown. Just pointing out that we aren’t doomed to defeat because Seattle is so “unbeatable” with their defense. Of course I thing we would all agree that our current defense isn’t Super Bowl ready… But we have a foundation and will likely get better. The question is…. How much is good enough and how far away are we?

    • anon

      The D has a long way to go, needs a lot of investment.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    need and edge rusher impact d player at 22 in the draft. no drafting a safety there and waiting a couple years. we need young hungry proven talent now. they need to go after Ward or Byrd and get a proven playmaker. big WR. and that edge rusher. be really nice to see what CK has in store this offseason after keeping a lot of leftovers. hes seen what his offense can be and wants more to make it go even better. defense is the same way. to play as well as they did this year with mediocre talent is really great. now lets get some studs. im all in on boykin. kendricks. curry.cox. one of the corners..barwin a lot. but they must find ways to get to the qb..cole and graham big questions. and what to do with curry.i like logan as well. maybe not at NT but for a few plays.

  • Johnny Domino

    ” There is also such a thing as over-correcting, where you are so intent on avoiding a similar fate that you get hurt by pushing things too far in the other direction.”

    You got to steer, not veer. Stay in your lane, Howie.

    • EaglefaninAZ

      Every time I change lines at the grocery store, I end up waiting longer. Lol…

  • Randy

    We have the cap room go get both tj ward and Jared Byrd sign both of them that then draft a safety in the second round draft a outside linebacker in the first round and a defensive tackle in the third round

    • Andy

      Right but if we use up all our cap room this year then (assuming those guys don’t sign one-year deals) after this season we aren’t going to have money to sign Nick Foles, Fletcher Cox, and Brandon Boykin to longer-term deals.

    • Uncle Wonder

      Easy there…i know we are all envious after watching that dominant performance last night, but lets not lose our heads and blow our wad this offseason…Rome wasnt built overnight…and all the other cliches…

      • Maggie

        Even Seattle wasn’t built in one year!

    • Coatesvillain

      I don’t think they should (or will) do that. Instead they’ll find FA bargains and then make timely big FA signings. But the base will be built with the draft.

  • evanphilly

    Why would the Bucs have any interest in Vick? Thought that they were high on Glennon? Seattle showed that they can build a team without high-priced free agents, and that is something that the Eagles may wind up doing and I am OK with that. Smart drafting and smart signings will go a long way in shaping this team. I can’t wait to see what happens!

    • Coatesvillain

      That was the old regime. They hired Jason Licht as their new GM last month. So it’s unknown exactly how he feels about Glennon.

      • Andy124

        Agreed. Sounds like a shot in the dark by Adam just due to the change of regime.

        • anon

          Did you see Glennon the last half of the season? You remember all the high priced FAs on that team? It’d be a waste of money waiting for Glennon to develop.

          • Andy124

            For all we know, he’ll put up a 119.2 qb rating next year. Or maybe win a Super Bowl. 3rd round Qbsin their second year are on a role.

            Developing a young QB is NEVER a waste if he pans out.

          • anon

            nah, they are paying to much not to try and win now. maybe glennon starts, but they gotta blow that roster up in a year or two.

    • GEAGLE

      Bucs need a punt returner….duh

  • BirdGang

    And who said a running QB will never win the SB?

    • anon

      Happy that that debate will be over.

      • GEAGLE

        Wouldn’t exactly call Wilson a mobile QB, more like a baby Steve young type

        • anon

          Why not? Half is game is based on rollouts / scrambling and the RO. It’s disingenuous to say he’s not a mobile Qb, he’s the definition of a mobile qb.

          • JofreyRice

            Maybe I’m splitting hairs, but I think he’s more “mobile” than “running”. It’s not like they had him going on 10 designed runs and a bunch of scrambles like Kaepernick, in the NFCCG.

          • anon

            No way he relies on RO and designed runs as much or more than anyone except Kap. He had more rushing yards than Kap this year.

            To add to it, the standard pocket passer Peyton could have used more mobility they had no answer for that pass rush.

          • JofreyRice

            Interesting perspective. I don’t see it that way. I thought he did a nice job of taking what was given to him, when it was there, but didn’t think Seattle’s gameplan featured his legs the way SF did with Kaep, at all.

          • anon

            You have a point, Kap said he ran more in the playoffs b/c he thought he needed to make players. I think RW plays more within the system, i think he’s a smarter guy.

          • EaglefaninAZ

            Agreed. Big difference between a mobile QB and a running QB. Fran Tarkenton has more running yards than any QB in history, if you count east-west yards.

          • GEAGLE

            Not exactly…more like Rodgers,Steve young functioning mobility…I don’t view him at all as Cam,RG3 and KAp type…those dudes want to take off at every hint of adversity, Wilson uses his mobility just to keep defense honest, and buy time to beat you with his arm…he isn’t letting his athletic ability keep him from trying to grow into a nice passer

          • anon

            I see why revisionist history is such a great thing. Of course you don’t view him that way now that he’s been successful he had the second most rushing attempts in the league, ahead of Pryor, Kap, etc. only behind Cam.

          • GEAGLE

            My comments today are consistent with every comment I ever made about Wilson…check a thousand archive convos of us discussing Mobil QBs, and I always talk about how I respect Russel for trying to be more…
            ….
            This is wher you nut swingers distort reality. The problems some have with the running QBs, is history has shown that very few developed into top passers, and why would they, having been the best athletes on the field since high school, why throw when you can run all over high school and college defenses….I would love Nick to have functional mobility, but I like that he was forced to develop as a passer…Wilson gets a lot of respect for not letting him mobility cripple his QB development

          • anon

            Comment wasn’t only directed at you. Why not just admit that Wilson is a mobile QB that’s been successful instead of saying that he’s not a mobile QB just b/c he also makes reads — the two don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol ok. U got it…as if you cant find hundreds of archived comments with me saying the same thing I’m saying now

          • Andy124

            ‘Cmon ‘non, everybody on this board who doesn’t think QB mobility is very important has praised Wilson over Kaep. Even media mike who hates the “mobile qbs” more than anyone gives Wilson some props.

            Do you think the Seahawks won because of Wilson’s legs?

            This sad excuse for a Super Bowl wasn’t some kind of referendum on mobile vs. pocket qbs. Hell, Seattle would have won that game with Dilfer at QB, and Wilson is a heckuva lot better than Dilfer.

          • GEAGLE

            QBs meant nothing last night, put Wilson on Denver, Peyton on Seattle and Seahawks still win last night

          • aub32

            True. Wilson is not the story. However, a mobile QB would not have been as big a sitting duck as Peyton for that D. I think we can all agree that there are pros and cons for mobile QBs and pocket QBs. Peyton can out scheme almost any defense. However, sometimes talent just flat out beats scheme. A mobile QB fairs better against a D like Seattle due to talent. Peyton has to throw the ball so early to get it downfield. That doesn’t work when your receivers are getting bumped off of their routes. I made this point at the beginning of the season that there is an advantage for players like Vick, Kaep, and Cam who can hold onto the ball a second or so longer and throw rockets. Also, Peyton had no way to extend plays last night. I’m not saying the pocket QB is dead. Every defense isn’t Seattle. However, the dismissal of the atletic QB should be over.

          • Andy124

            Athletic QBs have never been dismissed. Athletic QBs who are not good passers have been and should continue to be dismissed.

            Note: Even an athletic QB who is not a good passer could have won last night playing for Seattle.

            And you can’t assume that a mobile QB qould have done better against Seattle than Manning did last night. You tried to make that assumption with Vick/Foles and reality proved that to be false. Foles fared far better against strong pass rushes than did Vick, despite being far less mobile.

          • Coatesvillain

            I think people should look back and see what Kaepernick did against this defense in a new light. Not only the impressive things he did, but also his mistakes. If Peyton made the same mistakes…

          • aub32

            First off we saw a “mobile” QB in Kaep play that very same defense. I’m pretty sure he performed better than 8 meaningless points. Second, were you not around the last 2 weeks when plenty of people on this blog were saying how garbage both Kaep and Wilson are. They both can pass. I’m not sitting here making an arguement for Pryor to be the hottest sought after QB this offseason. Third, you are missing my point on the Vick/Foles thing. I am not saying a pocket QB can’t play well when pressured. That’s flat out dumb. I said that athletic QBs have talent to help overcome certain circumstances. How many overthrows from Manning did you see last night. That’s because Seattle’s defense dismantled their timing routes. Vick and others have an arm that can get players the ball the second they get open. Athletic QBs can also use their legs when all of their receivers are locked down and the RB is doing nothing. (See NFC Championship game)

          • Coatesvillain

            I think the problem was bringing Vick/Foles into the equation because then it becomes about them. Then specific arguments and feelings get involved.

            I agree with what you’re saying. It’s not that pocket passers can’t win. Just like it was never true that mobile QBs can’t win. It is just that when things breakdown mobile QBs have a tool that pocket passers don’t.

          • Andy124

            I was around the last two weeks when people were saying that it’s wrong to act like Foles isn’t on Kaep’s and Wilson’s level. I was around when it was stated that they have bad games that don’t get criticised nearly as harshly as Foles’ good games. And I was around when there was a small minority that just have really low opinions of Kaep.

            This is stupid. We should all be mutually griping about what a crappy game that was. Blowouts are only fun when Dallas is on the receiving end or Philly in on the giving end.

          • aub32

            Foles is not on their level when it comes to how highly a QB should be regarded. Foles may turn out to be a better QB, but at this point should be a tier lower until he does it against the best teams.

            We disagree. I loved last night’s SB. I found it hilarious and enjoyed being witness to one of the greatest defenses in history. The biggest disappointment for me was the commercials. Those sucked something awful.

          • theedevilsadvocate

            you only liked it because you feel like you are vindicated in all your opinions on mobile qb’s or excuse me running qb’s vs pocket passers a true fan didnt even finish watching that boring ass game. i want to see competition in the super bowl not some lop sided snooze fest. it was a boring game it really was unless you are a seahawks fan or have some stupid point to prove on message boards about running qb’s vs pocket passers…

          • Maggie

            Sorry. I live near Seattle and if the Eagles aren’t playing, I’ll go with the Seahawks. During Pete Carroll’s press conference on NFL Network this morning, he specifically stated that he didn’t want to build a culture around just one player. He wanted a good QB but their main focus was on building a TEAM that could win. Some people are comparing the Seattle Defense to the Steel Curtain. Well, another comparison is the QB’s I believe that in 1 Super Bowl Bradshaw only threw something like 12 times, completing 8!. Defense, running game and wise use of the passing game won then and still wins now. Go Chip. You seem to share many concepts with Pete.

          • aub32

            Great stat to pull out. It’s so funny watching some of these guys back pedal only to have the facts get in the way.

          • theedevilsadvocate

            ha yea kinda like you and vick…

          • aub32

            I’m sorry when did I ever back pedal on Vick? Here you go reaching like everyone else. I stayed consistent on every point I have made. I didn’t try and change up my entire argument when someone proved me wrong.

          • theedevilsadvocate

            you are one of the main vick supporters on all these boards even when he was at his worse you never admitted when he sucked just came up with excuse after excuse for vick just like the rest. u mad bro? lol

          • aub32

            Really? He outright won the QB competition, like I said he would. While starting, he lead the #2 offense in the league. He was beating the Giants prior to getting hurt. Then Foles took over and played too well to bench, which is something I agreed with. Vick didn’t suck this year. So I see no reason to say that he did. You’re the one who seems upset as you grasp for straws rather than arguing my actual football points. Again it’s just lazy and quite sad.

          • theedevilsadvocate

            uh huh whatever you say keep on lying to your self about vick go right ahead thats what is really sad…

        • Sam

          I’m just happy to know that debate is apparently not over.

    • Clamdigger

      With that defense, they could win with a quadriplegic QB.

      • Richard Colton

        That would be great for marketing, still not as diverse as that Coke ad though

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      *mobile qb =/= running qb

      • Maggie

        If I could add one thing. Just watched Pete Carroll news conference. What he said about Russell Wilson was that they wanted a quarterback who was good, but they did NOT want to build the whole team around one player. What happens when that player goes down or screws up? I wonder if Chip Kelly has been thinking the same thing? One reason why he won’t get into a QB debate? Maybe a Pac-12 thing?

  • Uncle Wonder

    Man oh man is good defense fun to watch!

  • GEAGLE

    ESNP Cleveland blogger “getting the sense” that browns are going to Tag Ward…which would suck. I would think keeping their center would be a bigger priority…of course, take it with a grain of salt since ESPN sources suck

    • cliff henny

      hard to believe banner is tagging anyone, and i mean that in every sense of the word

  • Coatesvillain

    With how QB salaries are going out of control I find it interesting that the last two QBs to win were still on their rookie deals. This is probably just a fluke, but something for bad teams to pay attention to when building. Should you reach for a QB or build elsewhere?

    When I look at potential teams to fit this model I see Tampa Bay. Just not sure if they have faith in Glennon, or if he’s that good. The rest of that team (outside of DE) is pretty stacked.

    • anon

      not a fluke.

    • Maggie

      According to Pete Carroll on Monday morning, they did not want to build their offense on the shoulders of one person ala Manning in Denver. They really are all about team. Most people outside of Seattle never heard of most of the Seahawks before the playoffs. They have a QB who is allegedly too short, too young, too mobile, yet he never turned the ball over throughout the playoffs and stood there last night holding the Super Bowl. Along with his team.

      • Coatesvillain

        I think it’s easy for him to say that now. Things will change when these keystone players are up for contract extensions. Both Wilson and Sherman are on league minimum contracts. A few others are on rookie deals.

        I’m interested in what they do in the next few years because there are gonna be some tough decisions to make.

  • NickS1

    I’m still wondering if Denver is aware that they had a game last night…

    • GEAGLE

      Not surprised that they got shutdown like that…Dekker and Welker are over rated. Seattle got the pass rush going, shut down the scary TE, and contained Demaryious…

      • NickS1

        I don’t think they’re overrated at all. I think they all benefit from each other. Best stable of TE/WR in the league. I think Seattle’s secondary is that good that they can man up with them. Denver doesn’t have pure speed, just bigger guys who are phenomenal route runners, IMO, and understand Peyton. But, man, they really were step for step with them almost all night, while making Peyton get happy feet…. Also, crazy what some crowd noise will do to an offense’s ability to communicate. Gotta use those placards!

        • GEAGLE

          Over rated is a bad word, more like, stylistically struggle against these types of big physical corners…Welker is flat out over rated, he always comes up small when it matters…Dekker is good, but he will be over rated in this market as a number 1 WR when he clearly is a number two

          • NickS1

            I just don’t like killing the receivers for this. They didn’t match up well, no, but damn did that O-line get flat out owned or what? Broncos are all timing, but you have to buy your QB 3-4 seconds if he can’t get the ball out in the usual 2-3, and it seemed like, more often than not, that they were in the backfield and in his face within 2-3 seconds. From the opening kick off they got outplayed in all three phases.

          • GEAGLE

            Absolutely…Peyton is last to blame. Oline got killed, and I didnt see Peyton’s weapons getting consistent separation…not to mention, they seemed like they started to play scared of Seattles d

          • anon

            Yeah amazing the mojo that D has, rightfully so.

          • NickS1

            Yeah, and that’s what makes me happy for Peyton. SB loss hurts for sure, but it’s not like this is squarely on his shoulders like the Saints’ win in 09

          • anon

            Yeah but who will see it that way?

          • NickS1

            Fans of football and anyone who’s watched his career with any objectivity.

          • anon

            Plenty of fans think Peyton’s legacy is limited by his post-season performance.

          • NickS1

            Just as plenty still see him as the GOAT

      • anon

        All pass rush, Peyton’s line got abused. Even when people were open he had no time.

        Denver had 0 pass rush. RW looked goo last night.

  • cliff henny

    well, that was intimidating. scary part is, Seattle’s cap is good as Eagles, or very close. can move on from couple guys, rice and miller that didnt even play last night, to sign Sherman and couple others to extensions. then in ’15 have huge cap space to either dump some money in from this off-season, wait a yr to pay up some players,or little of both. couple other guys i see them moving on from are avril, clemmons and thurmond. only good new is their ’13 draft wasnt greatest and leveraged alot of picks to get Harvin.

    • NickS1

      They have a lot of defense they aren’t going to be able to keep over next two years. Have to pay Thomas and Sherman. Some of those linebackers are getting away. As long as they can identify great pass rushers for 1 and 2 year deals, though, they’ll always be in the mix.

      • cliff henny

        they will. they have over 50m available in ’15 and can get in mid 20m’s this year. cap is really really good. thomas is getting 5m. yeah, they have to pay him, but his cap number only goes up 3m. chancellor is signed thru ’17. they can stagger guys. even the old guy, like bryant and okung, are only in 5th and 6th yrs. it’s a very well constructed team. Seattle isnt going anywhere for awhile.

        • NickS1

          Not saying they’re going anywhere, but a nice chunk of that 50 is going to RW. It’ll be interesting to watch.

          • anon

            I think RW may take 10

          • NickS1

            Really? I’m not arguing. Smart dude, knows it took a team to decimate the Broncos, but only 10? I can’t see him taking any less than top 10 money, especially depending on next season.

          • anon

            10 is probably low. I think he realizes that it’s not all about money, i think he’ll do what he can to keep the team together, that team seems like a great TEAM, you don’t hear about any infighting or whatever.

          • NickS1

            Yeah, I hope Foles realizes/does the same thing.

      • anon

        no reason to think they can’t keep picking good plays, don’t think their drafts are coincidences, lots of late round guys getting underpaid on that team.

        • NickS1

          Agreed. Odds of continually hitting on late round guys (that can come in and snag SBMVP in 3yrs) on that scale probably aren’t too high, though. We’ll see.

    • JofreyRice

      I think their ’13 draft was solid. Michael and Turbin are going to be a good 1-2 whenever Lynch slows down. Tharold Simon is another 6’1+ 200+ corner that will be coached up in their system. Their depth is crazy. They replaced a starting corner midseason and didn’t miss a beat.

      Imagine they get someone like Allen Robinson with the last pick in the first. Ugh. NFC is going to be tough the next few years.

      • cliff henny

        guess in comparison to ’10, ’11 and ’12’s, i should have said. tough to crack that lineup. they are deep, and will be able to retain a majority of the talent. eagles want a SB in next 2 or 3 yrs, it’s going to go thru Seattle.

      • GEAGLE

        Ugh…forgot those pricks got Tharold Simon, kid is going to be good

        • JofreyRice

          Especially in the way they teach that system. Did you see the way Maxwell surgically punched that ball out of Demaryius Thomas’ hand? Great coaching.

          • GEAGLE

            Absolutely…Damryious was scared to death…rarely did he catch, turn up field and pick up the first, he caught the ball, was tentative, and consistently fell short of turning up field and getting that first down…give talent like Simon to Carrol and it’s trouble!

  • GEAGLE

    Chip Kelly and Pete Carroll are very similar. Both coaches mantra is team competition and positive energy…ask Vick how competing every day for your spot hurt the Seahawks players?

    For a defensive guy, Interesting that Chip believes in building a secondary like Carroll. You won’t be seeing Chip draft 5’8 safeties, and 5’10 CBs..Chip wants them big,fast, long and physical, which is why mocking a smaller corner like Denard in round 1 is a lazy, uneducated joke

    • Uncle Wonder

      Earl Thomas is 5’10…not everyone is built like Chancellor…you gotta take the best player no matter what.

      • GEAGLE

        You don’t say? Obviously there is an exception of the rule, but let’s not pretend Chip didn’t give Howie measurement for how players at every position should be built, and I don’t those measurements include 5’10players…of course you can have one or two sprinkled in

        • Uncle Wonder

          1 or 2? How tall is Byrd? He is listed at 5’10 but Ill take that bet.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah 5’10 205…play next to big Buchanon, with 6ft corners Cary and Brad…

      • NickS1

        Love both of them. That secondary is ridiculous.

  • aub32

    Where are the people who called Kaep awful for one decent game against that Seattle defense? Looks like he faired much better than one of the greatest pocket passers of all time, and he Kaep had to play in Seattle. Now I won’t even pretend that Kaep is anywhere close to being in Manning’s class, and if you are trying to say that I am then you clearly do not know how to read. This just goes to show that Kaep is a good QB and was a bigger part to that team than some of you care to admit. Wilson already has a ring in year 2. That’s why these two youngsters are ahead of Foles in the conversation right now. We will see what happens next year when Foles gets his shot against those teams.

    • Token

      Do you think its based on one game? We have seen Kaep play for two years now.

      • aub32

        You’re right, and in year one he took his team to the Superbowl. In year 2 he took his team to the NFC Championship and was one great defensive play by Sherman away from beating that same team that just destroyed Manning. I see your point.

  • Token

    Of all the scenarios, didnt see a SEA blowout coming. Guess I didnt give that D enough credit. Just wow. Never thought they would completely shut down Manning and that offense. You could just tell from that first snap safety that it was over.

    The Eagles have a ton of work to do.

    • cliff henny

      seemed like perfect storm. Seattle was allowed to play extremely physical in secondary, which is often the case in playoffs, to throw off timing. Denver o-line was terrible, and offense never established the run, which certainly need to against smaller d-ends, who just played kill the qb for 60 mins. then denver tried to run shallow crosses infront of all those fast lbrs and chancellor, 1 player i wish was an eagle. who limited YAC.
      .
      and agree, Seattle looked as good as a football team can look. not even sure they are maxed out.

      • Token

        Thats the thing. They can be better. If Harvin actually plays some games during the year. Other WRs may improve. Their line can improve. Wilson will have another year under his belt.

        I know everyone looks to 2015 as our window. And I do get that. But their approach should be that next year is our chance. You gotta take your shot now. Thats why I dont like the idea of keeping guys like Cole or Herremans just because of cap reasons. What if the two guys you get to replace them are beasts by 2015? Youd never know if you keep them just to keep them.

        • anon

          Who would you replace them with?

          • Token

            Why is that the question? Why do people think about it like that? Thats chip and Howies job.

            You wanna get to where Seattle is you cant be scared of letting go of junk. Thats what average teams do. You keep those guys and it doesnt let a new guy get in there and grow. Its dumb to think guys up and down your draft cant be impactful players. How good is the talent eval and how good is the coaching, thats what matters.

            Having watched Cole all year I have a hard time thinking it will be a big drop off without him. I realize people love him, but you gotta think past that. Our pass rush was terrible all season and he was a big reason why. If they are willing to let that stand as “good enough”, then im not quite as excited about the direction.

          • anon

            Wow, get defensive much?

            Isn’t it Chip and Howie’s job to decide whether people are worth the money they are making? Actually since we spend 80% of or time in the offseason talking about FAs/Draft picks i thought you might have someone that you liked.

            Cole had a 8 regular season sacks and was one of the best LBs in the league against the run. He wasn’t terrible in his first year of transitioning to the OLB position where he’s not just rushing the passer. I’m not sure why everyone focuses on him as being being the biggest issue in this defense.

          • aub32

            He’s not the biggest issue. He is just the most out of place. He shouldn’t be cut. However, I wouldn’t mind seeing us do something similar to what happen to Mr. Soap. He can hold down the position until we do get a guy who is better suited for the position.

          • anon

            That’s what im saying — it’d be nice if BG could be that, but they need to move on from him.

          • Token

            See, this shows its all about the name Cole.

            Graham I think was better at creating pressure when he got the chance than Cole was. Curry too. Not to say BG is the answer because I dont think that. But it goes to show, if Trent Cole wasnt his name maybe you would think about this differently.

          • anon

            Nah, i think if BG played the position better he would have played more. Again we were focused on stopping the run T Cole was elite there. Same reason Curry didn’t see the field.

          • Token

            We can keep clinging to the run argument all offseason. Where the hell did that get us? From what I remember they wiped the floor with us in the run game. Hot knife thru butter. I dont care how good he supposedly is against the run. I want by 3 lineman and ILBs to deal with that. And we already have Barwin on the other side for that. I need my OLBs to be pass rushing demons. A guy that can win 1v1.

            You start building your defense to stop the run and you will be a pretty bad team. Maybe good for the 1980’s tho. This is a passing league. You disrupt the passer or you have no real shot.

          • anon

            Gotta start with fundamentals. I think stopping the run ad not getting beat on big plays is important. However, if you’re always rushing out of the same spot, and that rusher can’t set the edge you’ll get beat all day to day side. Whether by runs, shuttle passes, or screens to that side there’s ways to neutralize pass rush if it’s one dimensional.

          • Token

            Cole was a huge problem. You cant have both of your OLBs not getting to the QB. Looking at their overall sacks dont tell you anything. Cole had those in like a 3 game span against a few trash tackles. Its just not how a 3-4 works. The secondary looked even worse because there was no pass rush. Tell me why you think that the pass rush isnt a issue.

            Those guys need to create havoc, not just be solid guys against the run and say thats good enough. If Barwin is on one side then you sure as hell need a pass rushing weapon across from him.

            You gotta separate yourself from your love for the individual player. If Cole is starting at OLB next year it means the FO didnt do a very good job in the offseason.

          • anon

            The middle needs as much work as the outside. Again first year in transition, his first concern was stopping the run, which means you gotta diagnose the play first. Yes it’d be great to have Robert Mathis but we don’t.

            Yes we need better pass rush from the OLB position, wouldn’t be surprised if he played better next year.

          • Token

            Im really praying the FO doesnt think like that or expect that. If that is the case all of this talk we do doesnt really matter because we arent gonna be improving next year. We will be taking a step back.

            The difference im hoping Chip brings is a ability to really look at tape and not even think about the guys name or salary. He either plays well or doesnt. Stays or goes based only on that.

          • aub32

            You are missing the point. No one is saying Cole is the be all end all. There’s just no reason to cut him right now unless you are suggesting that the player we need is already on the roster and losing snaps to Cole. I highly doubt you think that. There’s nothing wrong with keeping Cole and still trying to find a guy. Then the two can compete. What is your deal with wanting to cut everyone that isn’t a superstar. Do you think Seattle doesn’t have backups. Do you think every player on that team is a pro bowler?

          • Token

            Because it frees a roster spot. It frees up money. You save under 2 million by waiting til next year to cut him. Thats seems worthless to me. Get the new blood on the roster.

          • aub32

            Are we hurting for money right now? This is why you need to have players in mind to bring up points like this. What player are you dying to have that we can’t afford because Cole is eating up too much of the cap. What dozen or so players do you want to bring in that we need Cole’s roster spot. Did you forget that we get 90 spots in the offseason. Do you have any names? Or are you still playing fantasy GM? It’s easy to complain and say we need to improve. Outside of RB, we can improve on every position. That doesn’t mean there’s this pool of untapped talent that we can only access by cutting every player that hasn’t played like a pro bowler.

          • Token

            We arent going to get anywhere with this. You win. Pass rush is fine. Keeping average to bad players is exactly how you improve.

          • GEAGLE

            I dont like Cole, but he brings more to the table then you give him credit for..he is ELITE against the run…we need Cole to play first and second down this year so we can start our rookies off as Nickle pass rushers

          • Token

            So good against the run that we got destroyed by the run when it mattered. Right along with your other big studs Ryans and Kendricks who got destroyed up the guy.

            At OLB in a 3-4, Pass rush is so far above run support IMO. If they best thing you can say is that he was awesome at run support then its time to move on.

            How often does it happen now where a guy played 2 downs and comes off the field? Seems like thats been sort of phasing out. Offenses arent stupid. And generally move faster now. I dont think its a viable plan. And I dont get the plan anyway. Cole isnt part of the solution, so move on. Time to find out if someone else is. Free up the roster spots for guys who could potentially be beasts.

          • anon

            We got killed up the gut more than on the outside, i agree we need a NT. Billy davis made run stopping the biggest focus of the D, i think pass rush suffers a little there.
            It’s silly to cut people unless you know who you’re going to replace them with.

        • cliff henny

          agree, but think you do keep guys like TH and TC for cap reason, but your point would be to move on from celek, avant and ryans. find younger versions in draft. these 3 open huge space, can sign impact FA, plus, roll cap space to ’15, get ’12 draft class signed, move on from more vets, up graade again.

          • Token

            Avant, I sure would. I dont think theres much of a chance hes back.

            Celek I dont really know what they do there.

            Ryans I would move on. Before you guys kill me for it….. My thought is that Ryans played pretty well this year. Better than I figured he would. But he is on the way down. And there were a number of games this year that we lost because of our lack of presence at the ILB position. We need to upgrade there.

            Id rather not let Ryans get too entrenched as the “leader of the D” because he wont be here after next year regardless. Id rather refresh the position now.

            The problem is Kendricks isnt very good either. Maybe he can finally take the next step this year but I think its his last chance.
            They have a bunch of work to do for sure. I want them to get started now. Dont delay the process. If it goes right there will be a number of new faces starting by the time we are truly a contender.

          • EaglefaninAZ

            I like the idea of Ryans teaching up the young guys for another year. Then let him go.

          • Token

            I think the player mentoring program is something thats way overblown. Its up to the coaches. Ive seen no indication that Ryans has helped Kendricks take his game to a new level.

          • cliff henny

            watching speed of Seattle up the middle was huge differnce. allen chung and ryans are so slow to the ball. all 3 need major upgrading in pass defense. wonder if eagles can have a1st/2nd down run defense base with cole and ryans, then bring in 2nd/3rd down pass defensee with young pss rushing olb.
            .
            think we cant forget is Eagles defense wont ever be like Seattles. kelly going to win with offense. Denver handed Seattle about 20-25 points last night. cant do that against any team.

          • Token

            Yea. I just want a solid top 10-15D that gets turnovers and can apply some pressure. They wont ever dominate like SEA does. Still plenty of work to do just to get to that level of being good enough.

            Id think if a offense knew you liked to change your whole front on 3rd down they would try to just play hurry up to stop you from doing that. As time goes on here Ryans will become more and more of a liability. Hes not that great in coverage. So id expect him to be really stout in the middle. And there were big games where that didnt happen. The ILBs were garbage against the Saints. You gotta have at least one guy in there that can step up and ruin a RBs day and plant him into the ground. If Kendricks has a hand on him consider him blocked.

          • Eagledelphia

            Those players were slow to the bar and The Eagles must get faster overall as a defense especially with the qbs on the schedule next season who can pick up first downs with their legs

    • EagleDuck

      This is probably dumb… but did it seem like the Seattle defense looked more, well, ‘juiced’ than any football team you’ve ever seen? I hate to detract from an amazing performance, but I just kept thinking PED’s all game long…

  • JofreyRice

    Fantastic and well thought out point. Like I’ve said all along, I’m hoping it’s a smokescreen, but it really sounds like they’re having an extreme overreaction to what happened in 2011. Can’t just give up on trying to get better by adding the best guys in free agency.

    It really is amazing the way Seattle drafted, though. Much respect to Carroll and Schneider out in Seattle. They are going to be a juggernaut to get through for the Eagles. Talk about finding gems in the draft. Chancellor and Sherman in the 5th, Maxwell in the 6th, KJ Wright at the end of the 4th, and Super Bowl MVP Malcolm Smith in the 7th!

    It’s not just about the talent acquisition, though. Like Chip, Carroll’s go his preferred dimensions for specific positions. He knows what he’s looking for, and then takes the raw material and turns it into a football player in his system. I am hopeful that like Carroll, Chip will develop the talent that they bring in.

    • GEAGLE

      They gave Barwin close to 40million, and Cary was the top paid corner on last years market….not exactly the frugal approach they would have us believe

      • JofreyRice

        Yeah, it’s mostly spin because the guys they got contributed at a mid-level, that they’re now trying to say they were just going after a bunch of mid-level guys. I think you need guys that do a little more than those two if you’re hoping to play with Seattle, SF, Carolina, and New Orleans when it’s cold out.

        • GEAGLE

          Yes sir….an Impact or two DEFENDERS needs to be added or developed

          • anon

            3 or 4

          • Token

            Id like one more impact offensive player too. Shady is one. But I dont think the passing game has any. A guy who can just move the chains when things are really hard to come by.

          • aub32

            WHAT!!! DeSean Jackson isn’t an impact player? When is the last time we had a receiver with anything close to the season he had? You are ridiculous some times. You don’t like a player and just dismiss his contributions. I am so glad you are not our GM.

          • GEAGLE

            At times? I would call him consistently ridiculous

          • aub32

            LMAO

          • GEAGLE

            Am I lying? Lol

          • aub32

            I can’t disagree. I get being critical, but he takes it to an extreme. He makes it sound like we have a bottom 5 roster. The Jets would kill for our skill players.

          • Token

            Great season. Still usually disappears when you really need him.

            Hes just not that player and thats fine. He can still be a big weapon. Probably even a bigger threat if we had a guy across from him like im talking about.

            If you are relying on Jackson to be your chain mover when times are tough your probably in big trouble. Id love to hear the counterargument on that tho.

          • anon

            I gotta agree with Token. DJ would make and awesome no. 2. I can understand why people want a Boldin.

          • aub32

            Compare their numbers from the last 2 years. Some of you are enamored with what you want to see versus reality. Boldin isn’t consistently making big plays down the field. Nor is he drawing the attention of the entire defense. What didn’t DJax do last year?

          • aub32

            No. 2?? Please name one player in FA or the draft that we have a realistic chance of making DJax the no. 2 WR. Please name a WR outside of the anamoly in Chicago where the number 2 guy is capable of putting up DJax type numbers. I don’t know what some of you expect. 8 WRs put up more yards than DJax. How is that a number 2 guy. Who the hell is this number 1 guy that is available and consistently putting up 150 ypg and 20+ TDs? Because Boldin isn’t putting up those numbers.

          • Token

            You think about it in the wrong way. Sorry to hurt your feelings. Its not a matter of being a #1 or #2. That doesnt make a difference.

          • aub32

            I didn’t bring up he should be a #2. I brought up that he outperformed nearly every WR and can’t get credit from his own fans, and this isn’t a case of only doing it once. DeSean has been the best WR on this team and one of the best in the league since he was drafted. He’s gone to the pro bowl multiple times and even in the year where he “wasn’t playing hard” he was just shy of 1000 yards.

          • Token

            Thats just not correct. He had a bounce back year this year and was great in the new offense. But 2011 and 2012 were not good years.

            I can tell from today theres no talking about Eagles players with you. The players are like family to you. I dont think about it that way.

            I just disagree that standing pat at WR is a good move.

          • aub32

            You’re right again. You should not argue with me since I prefer to use facts in my arguements. You just throw out whatever you want to say regardless of the truth. DJax was on pace for a career year in multiple categories last year. He got injured carrying the football. Also, that still doesn’t dispute my point that he’s been one of the top WRs in the game prior to this year.

            Second, I never said stand pat at WR. I don’t even know where that argument came from. Once again you are making stuff up. You wrote “Id like one more impact offensive player too. Shady is one. But I dont think the passing game has any.” That is beyond idiocy when it comes to factual statements. How can you say a guy who finished top 10 in his position, made the pro bowl, and did it all with only the help of Riley Cooper and Jason Avant is not an impact player. No defensive coach in the league would agree with you. You can’t even make a valid arguement to back what you are saying.

            Let me make this clear. I want to upgrade this team. However, I live in reality. Realistically, the chances of us getting a WR that is better than DJax this off season is very very very slim. He is better than every FA on the market. He is proven time and again compared to what can be speculated in the draft.
            ….
            Lastly, please stop trying to bring up my being a fan as a valid argument. It’s lazy, untrue, and frankly you should be ashamed of having to resort to such tactics. Yes I am a fan, but at no point do I throw out ridiculous anaysis based on the fact I like a certain player. I back up everything I say with football reasoning unlike what you just did.

          • Token

            Until someone brought it up I had forgotten you are a Vick fanatic. It explains a lot.

          • Eagledelphia

            2011 and 2012 were not great years but we also have to look at qb in those times because how many all-22 breakdowns did we see where Desean was wide open and there was a overthrow or checkdown

          • aub32

            So let me get this straight. DeSean is on pace to being one of the all time best WRs to wear an Eagles jersey. (4th all time right now). He had a year in which he lined up all over the field and went 9th in receiving. He did all of this when the next best WR was Riley Cooper, but the guy disappears. Do you think Jimmy Graham and Megatron get every 3rd and 5? No. They draw so much attention that it opens things up for the rest of the guys. We saw that countless times. We saw DJax run for 1st downs. We saw him break tackles. When did he disappear? And be sure to remeber that his disappearing may have something to do with the gameplan or the QB being off. Do you think the guys you’re putting over him put up 100yds and 1-2 TDs every game? I don’t even know why I have to point out all of this to you. You just want Token’s guy and until you have the gy who both plays and looks like you want, then you will say we don’t have the talent.

          • Token

            Hes disappeared in big moments consistently throughout his career. Hes not that type of WR, and that is ok. Hed be better if he had that guy across from him.

            This was Jacksons best season. And maybe this offense is just what he needs. He doubled his first down catches from what they usually are.

            But you still would like him to have shown up in that last Dallas game. In the NO game, where Allen single covered him and took him out of the game.

            The basic point, it would really help everyone if they had a bigger guy who can make tough contested catches across from Desean.

          • aub32

            Better? The guy just had 1300+ yards next to Riley Cooper. He was 9th in receiving yards. He lined up all over the field. How much better do you think he can get?

          • Token

            Better in games like the Saints game. When he was completely shut out.

            Detach yourself from these players man. You are taking it like im insulting your mother or something.

          • aub32

            You mean the game in which the QB, O line, and RB all struggled. I didn’t know DeSean could throw the ball to himself. You’re right DJax has a long way to go if he wants to be one of the better QBs in this league.

        • cliff henny

          NO is in cap hell like Dallas, carolina is really old on offense outside Cam and SF is going to have more trouble retaining guys than SEA. my hope is Eagles make another jump to 3rd best, behind SEA and SF in ’14, then ’15 really start making push.

          • JofreyRice

            NO, I buy. They’re on the way down, but will always be tough because of the Brees/Peyton mind meld.

            Carolina has a fantastic GM. I don’t even think they are at their maximum strength yet. I’m guessing they add a lot of talent to try and enrich the offense around Cam.

            It looks like SF’s got a lot of talent waiting in the wings, but some of those guys are coming back from serious injuries–Bowman’s return, Tank Carradine, Marcus Lattimore.

          • GEAGLE

            Its going to be up to what the Niners get out of their draft and stashed playes.l lamicheal James wants to be released. Wonder what Chip thinks of him

          • cliff henny

            yup, it’s not going to be easy. SF will have tougher time working kaep in sal cap then Sea will with wilson, but SF will be good again in ’14. hopefully ’15 starts downturn. that’s be 4 yrs at top, tough to last longer than that. Carolina, maybe, but they yo-yo’d so many times. they need to get cam weapons. rb, te and wrs are old. they will lose some on defense.

        • Token

          You keep going mid level and you end up with a mid level team. You need difference makers. This team doesnt have many of those. I think if you have to trust a scatter shot batting average approach then you shouldnt be GM. But like ive said I dont really believe him at this time of year. We will see what his true intentions are.

          • Maggie

            Perhaps re-read JofreyRice post about Seattle’s “mid-level” guys. Drafted in the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds. They also have several players who weren’t drafted at all! They picked up players, including Wilson, who fit the PLAN, The SCHEME. Not who were the biggest stars. Sound familiar? Pac-12.

          • Token

            19 UDFAs. Half of the starters drafted in the 4th round or lower. I get it.

            But their pass rush was hired guns. Theres still room for quality FA moves. You just have to be good at evaluating talent. Hopefully Howie and Chip can excel there.

    • Token

      Yea give them a ton of credit for building that team. Just hit after hit. I wonder if they take the batting average approach to. Or if they just identify talent and go and get it?

      The havoc they can cause just rushing 4 is such a key. They really just played their game last night. Rush 4, press, single high safety. I didnt think that would contain the Broncos offense but it sure did.

      The Eagles have a way to go. But they really have to improve their pass rush. This whole “give Cole another year” talk is garbage. You either want to compete or you dont. SEA turned the hell out of that roster in a couple years time. Im sure they had some dead money situations.

      Seattle shows you shouldnt be scared of moving on if you are confident in your talent evaluation. You dont have to keep Cole just because you think a top 2 pick cant start etc… I dont buy the easing in of players argument either. If a rookie can play he should play. Rookies dont have to sit and wait for a year anymore. Rookies make a impact every season. And I dont wanna hear the mentor argument either, such bull. Its up to the coaches to mold a player. Not the guy whose job hes trying to take.

      Cut the fat now, not later and move on. Theres a good amount of trash still on this roster. Im really hoping Chip and Howie hit on their evaluations in the next two years.

  • theedevilsadvocate

    wilson is not a run first qb like vick and kaep he is mobile ill give you that but the “running qb” won it with his arm for the most part what did he get like 26 yards rushing or something like that.

    • aub32

      Kaep isn’t a run first QB. Did last night’s game not show you anything? Denver has a much better receiving corp than the 49ers. Yet none of them could get open against that D. What’s wrong with using your legs when your receivers can’t get open. What’s he supposed to do? Because obviously standing around like a sitting duck in the pocket didn’t work.

      • theedevilsadvocate

        as far as i saw i didnt see kaep playing in the super bowl last night i saw two qbs who knew how to use their arms which is the diff between keap, vick and wilson, wilson is just all around a better qb than either of those run first qb’s which is the diff they run first wilson runs when he has no choice unless its a designed run play. the whole a running qb won the supre bowl doesnt work for me not when the “running qb” pretty much won it with his arm and has a monster of a defense to back them up. mobile qb to is way different than a running qb but hey if you want to claissify wilson as just a running qb to say see i told you all a running qb could and would win the superbowl one day dont let me stop you.

        • Eagledelphia

          I dont know if I would call Kaep a run first quarterback yes he does run when he can but that is a good thing generally especially when you have a group of underwhelming receivers (played most of the season without Crabtree) he ran around 5 times a game which is right on par with none other than Nick Foles if you throw out the SD and Denver games. Generally when you are a successful runner at qb you get the label of run first when you struggle passing which is what I think happens in this case

          • theedevilsadvocate

            kaep looks like vick 2.0 to me i would take wilson and not just because he won the super bowl as my qb over kaep and his vick like play any day sorry i just dont see the diff between kaep and vick its like they have their moments but over all they are just not great. also in case you havent heard having crabtree wouldnt have made much of diff this season cuz when you try the best corner in the game with a sorry receiver like crabtree that the results you gone get! LOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

          • Eagledelphia

            “Mediocre”.. But I think Kaep will be just fine the only problem will be the division he plays in and those defenses they have to play the 49ers could also use more dynamic skill players other than Vernon Davis I that will help Kaep out tremendously otherwise…..

          • theedevilsadvocate

            omg thats so damn awesome and funny!

  • Kev_H

    I hope they aren’t modelling themselves after the Seahawks. Trying to win past Super Bowls is a way to be assured of winning none. They hired Ray Rhodes from the 49ers to win the 1995 Super Bowl and Andy Reid to win the one the Packers won. Let Kelly build what he wants to build. The Eagles are the Eagles, not the Seahawks, and next season is next season, not this season.

    • OldDocRoss

      Trying to win past Super Bowls is a way to be assured of winning none.

      This x 1,000.

      Besides, I’m not sure “find players as good as Chancellor and Sherman late in the draft” is really something you ‘learn’.

  • theedevilsadvocate

    how about that fur coat broadway joe had on lol flipping the coin before anyone chose heads or tails lol…. haaaaa

  • Papa

    More or less we should expect the same strategy as last yr for this off-season. Signing and resigning players to cover all our conceived holes on the team in free agency so we don’t have to reach in the draft. That doesn’t exclude us from taking a shot at Byrd or ward or orakpo if they are available and it doesn’t exclude us from drafting a position high in the draft if it BPA. Casey and ertz is a perfect example. Chip loving te’s didn’t ring all that true even with those moves overall.

    • Maggie

      Free Agency is before the draft.

  • Uncle Wonder

    Could there be anybody more depressed today than Brandon Browner?

    • Andy124

      Every Denver Bronco player, employee and fan?

      • Uncle Wonder

        Idk…they definitely got sent outta there…but Browner is pushing 30, might never get another chance and missed out totally on an experience he cant get back…even if they overturn the whole thing.

        • Andy124

          Just being a smart@ss. Has to be pretty depressing for him indeed.

  • peteike

    Wilson is a gamer, dude just plays smart, real smart. Very few mistakes, even when he plays good Ds like niners. He doesnt lose games and that actual counts for a lot, you just cant quantify it into stats. I also thought Baldwin played well as did all their WRs. All made tough catches when it mattered.

    And once again I lost every bet on the last game of the year trying to double my money, this is becoming a bad pattern. Nice stat they showed on ESPN earlier in the day yesterday. Showed every #1 offense and all the losses over the years in the superbowls and champ gms etc. Defense wins.

    • Maggie

      Add to that. Wilson did not turn the ball over throughout the playoffs, according to Carroll.

      • SvelteGodzilla

        He fumbled on the first play of the NFC Championship, not sure what Carroll’s talking about there

  • Adam

    Drop the price of wings, you greedy bastards. You can pay that guy 30 million dollars to not score a single goal, but I still have to make no money on the wings that his fan ordered. He left before it was over. Just saying. Donate to something useful.

  • theedevilsadvocate

    ha what kelly said was exactly what i said during the half time show from playing in the superbowl to performing in it russel wilson does it all!