Boykin Getting the Last Laugh

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Brandon Boykin
fractured his leg in the 2012 Senior Bowl while playing special teams. He needed surgery and had a pair of screws inserted. That was in February. The injury prevented him from participating in the combine or holding a pro day, but the Georgia product received no indication that the injury would negatively affect his draft stock.

It did.

Speaking with some NFL teams leading up to April’s draft, he was told that he was projected to go between No. 26 overall to early in the second round. Instead, he slipped all the way to the fourth round before being selected by the Eagles with the 123rd pick.




There were 12 corners taken before him, and he knows the names of each and every one of them. He sees them every day when he wakes up.

"I've got a list of all the corners that were taken before me," he said. "My fiance made it and put it in our room, framed it. I told myself that I'd end up being better than all of them.

"There was no doubt in my mind that I was the best in the class."

Those 12 players? Morris Claiborne, Stephon Gilmore, Dre Kirkpatrick, Janoris Jenkins, Casey Hayward, Trumaine Johnson, Josh Robinson, Jamell Fleming, Bill Bentley, Jayron Hosley, Omar Bolden and Coty Sensabaugh.

One thing Boykin has over all of them this year is picks. He finished the regular season tied for second in the NFL with six interceptions, and did so playing just 635 of a possible 1,233 snaps this season, or 51.5 percent of the time. While it may seem counter-intuitive to use one of the defense's top playmakers only half the time, Billy Davis contends that Boykin has benefited from focusing exclusively on the slot.

"I really think -- and I believe this -- that one of the reasons that he's grown like he's grown and made the plays that he's making is because we've allowed him to specialize and really focus on the nickel position and how to play," said Davis. "He's a young player that's still growing and I think that is one of the things that we've done that I'm most happy with, and I understand he's got a lot of interceptions and second in the league, but I think that's a product of specialization and really knowing exactly and playing a position with confidence and that's how you win."

Boykin has not hidden his desire to be an every-down outside corner eventually, but is content with his role for the time being.

"I really don't worry about that at all. It's gotten us to where we've gotten and I know what my role is and everybody is kind of jelling, so it doesn't matter to me," he said.

Six interceptions this season. A game-sealing takeaway against the Cowboys on Sunday night. An NFC East title. Time to take down that list that hangs above the bed?

"It's not like I'm going to say, 'I got six picks so I'm good.' Every year, until all of them are out of the league," said Boykin. "Every single year. That doesn't go away."

 

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  • DanFromDelcoo

    That’s the type of football player you need on your team. Someone with a chip on his shoulder. Two more picks Saturday sounds good to me, Brandon.

    • GEAGLE

      Loving our Corners…they will only get better next year when they have quality safeties behind them and an improved pass rush in front of them
      ….
      Wolff keeps saying he will play, but he is yet to practice…not sure what to make of it.
      ….
      Did Kenny Phillips ever land on a roster or is his career over?

      • Token

        Wolff isnt playing. Cant miss practice then play according to Chip. Guy has been out nearly 2 months now. Crazy. Give Keelan Johnson a chance. Cant possibly be worse than Chung.

      • Media Mike

        I’d still feel better with a true #1 shutdown CB on the roster, but it might be more feasible to find another safety who doesn’t suck.

        • Token

          A stud safety is far more valuable than a corner now.

          I dont think corner should be looked at as a premium position anymore. You just need good solid guys there. You dont need world-beaters. A healthy Fletcher is good for one spot. While Cary has thrown in a couple good games, they can use a upgrade there.

          But safety and pass rusher are the top priorities this offseason.

    • Beastmode

      If anyone missed the Spanish radio guys call on the INT vs dallas here it is
      https://soundcloud.com/briansludgehaddad/rickie-ricardo-boykin

      • Max Lightfoot

        Rickie’s the best!

        • Beastmode

          I think he’s saying dallas sucks???!!! :)

      • theycallmerob

        The INT Heard ‘Round The World

      • TheGhostofNormVanBrocklin

        That’s one of the greatest things I’ve ever heard.

        • Maggie

          You can just tell that he calls soccer games, too!

    • mtn_green

      I keep a list of the twelve better sports blog posters above my bed and will take it down when they’re all retired.

      • theycallmerob

        i’ll be around forever!!! bwahaha

  • GEAGLE

    I wanted him in the 3rd round…to get FOles and still have the boy king fall to us in the 4th was BIGTIME

  • Will

    Thank you Brandon your Aces, a pleasure to watch you play, glad your an Eagle! I would hate to play against you…

  • Joe from Easton

    Straight steal at 123rd overall.

  • addicted2mula

    I was just reading this on another site. Even if we lose Saturday i’m happy with this years results

  • Token

    Hes gone as soon as his rookie deal is up. Plenty of teams will give him a chance to start.

    • GEAGLE

      Funny…such an ignorant statement….

      1) playing Nickle is NOTHING like playing on the outside

      2) as if Boykin will ever hit free agency lol, he will be extended ASAP!!!

      • Token

        The guy was a outside corner in college. Its a testament to him he was able to adjust so well to the inside.

        He wants to play outside and he will get his chance, somewhere else. We have to save starting spots for the Cary Williams of the world after all.

        Guys with talent dont stay as slot corners their whole career. You continually have turnover at the position as guys move up or move on.

        • Media Mike

          So you don’t think we can move him outside as part of his growth into his 4th year. These rookies are all locked into 4 year deals and can’t really go anywhere. They an easily play him in slot all next year and then move him outside for 2015 and cut/demote Cary or Fletch in the process. There is a lot of time before Boykin can move on.

          • cliff henny

            yup, and he’ll take any reasonable extention after next year. every player will take new contract after 3rd yr instead of risking playing thru 4th yr for nfl pennies. works out best for both, player gets paid, home town team gets slight discount. it only bites when guys like cooper pops after doing nothing for 3 yrs. if guys arent extended, like allen, generally they just arent in team’s long term plan.

          • Token

            People arent processing this.

            The guy wants to be a outside starting corner. Hes practically shouting it from the rooftops.

            Enjoy him in the slot another couple years. Then hes likely gone. They dont like his size.

          • JofreyRice

            I hope that’s not true, but it is possible. What’s weird is why they are so against his size, if they just want to play off coverage on every play. If you want huge, long armed corners, it’s usually so you can press, not stand 11 yards off the line of scrimmage and wait for the receiver to come to you.

          • Richard Colton

            if only there was something about Cooper that might scare 31 other teams away from giving him an outrageous contract.

          • GEAGLE

            I’m sure THAT scares Cooper from how the other 31 predominantly Black locker rooms would recieve him…Dude ain’t going anywhere. He has a coach that values his blocking and a young QB who adores him like a number 1 option…he can count on how chemistry and blocking always getting him on the field in philly….he won’t DARE sign a contract that doesn’t say Philadelphia Eagles at the top of it…Maclin is the question

          • Richard Colton

            I’d like to see Maclin back too, at the right price.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah it’s Ridiculous to suggest that Boykin is going anywhere…Every year teams play more and more Nickle…he is so young, there is no rush…later in his career we can revisit the thought…but him playing on the outside is ATleast 3 seasons away

          • Token

            Thats moronic. You could use the more nickel argument before the year. But hes played 50% of snaps. Thats it.

            But please, go on and tell me how GREAT Cary Williams is. How he is a ALL PRO in your eyes.

          • GEAGLE

            You are dumb….to ask Chip Kelly about replacing Cary Williams this year…..he would laugh at you…not a probowler at all…but I don’t view it as a video game where you get to have a probowler at every position..it’s about allocating resources…and Cary has proven that you can win a Super Bowl I with him if you have enough talent you DOPE…so why the hell do I want to create more holes replacing him when we can add to him? Bet you were on his nuts when he saved our season shutting down that two point conversion on a Top WR,and holding every big body WR he faced in check sans the Vikings meltdown in January…if I ALREADY know that our coach and our GM won’t replace him this year, why. Would I waste my time talking about it.
            …..
            Boykin will never make it free agency and when he signs his extension I look forward to rubbing it in your face,,,I’m sure you laughed at my absurd statements before…..about how we had a nasty front 7, a good DC, Casey would show his value late in the year, that FOles would be Chips guy and we weren’t drafting QBs..that Kendricks would start to grow into a stud….the list goes on and on, you mocked me 100 times yet my percentage of NAILED IT is thru the roof…keep viewing the NFL like a game of madden lol

            Young playmakers will never even sniff free agency…and there is no way that his role won’t expand over time, but it’s his second year..who’s to say he won’t be able to take over for Cary and Brad in two years…bottom line, we aren’t losing any young play makers…the notion is absurd,..we always had the cap space to retain our players if we wanted to and we couldn’t be positioned any better financially then we are, so this notion is absurd…so is the need to rush a second year player outside…but if he is good enough, which all indications I point to yes’m then his time in PHILLY will come!!

          • Token

            I stopped reading when you got to the usual self congratulating. Its always pointless to argue with you. Like this new idea of yours that young good players dont get to free agency. You must not follow the NFL very closely. Do you really think all young players jump up and down and sign the first extension offer they get?

            You endlessly contradict yourself. All our FAs are the greatest players to ever play the game. And their young. Yet they hit free agency. I thought that never happens?

          • Maggie

            The guy is not that big and even with smoothies he could be worn down now, or injured, if he had played 100% on the outside. Remember, both of the current corners spent a week or 2 on the IR. And they are both quite a bit bigger than Boykin.

          • Token

            I dont think it will ever happen. Chip and Davis are set on having a certain size guy outside. I dont think Boykin will ever get his chance here. Just look forward to him being a good slot guy for the next couple years.

    • Richard Colton

      I don’t know why you’re getting downvotes for that statement, unless people are upset at the truth. It’s a salary capped league, so unless we’re planning on giving Boykin starter money for playing the nickel, how does he fit? Based on his play – maybe we should. This is the Al Harris situation all over again.

      • Media Mike

        He can’t be a free agent until after he plays 2 more seasons. Do you honestly think they can’t transition him to a full time outside starter by then? I agree the downvotes on that are stupid, as are most on here.

        • Richard Colton

          He might. That’s a good point. It’s like when you have a stellar young guard and the team plans to move him to OT. We did it with Herremans and talked about doing it with Andrews. I think it’s potentially disappointing to us as fans because Boykin has been SO good at nickel. You weaken a position of strength to upgrade a more important position of need.

          • Media Mike

            I think it’ll take care of itself. Fletch and Cary both have deals that aren’t crippling if you keep them and move one to slot in place of Boykin going outside. Or you can move one from one of the two of them after next year if you need to. We have a lot of options in either case.

          • nicksaenz1

            It’s very possible, given structure of the deals, that Fletcher and/or C-Dub are gone after the ’14 season, which would allow Boykin to move to the outside if Chip would let a 5’10” guy out there.

          • theycallmerob

            I think Chip and Davis will breathe much easier regarding our CB situation once there are some legitimate safeties behind them.

          • nicksaenz1

            I agree. I get Token’s point, but I don’t think Chip’s going to deny a guy that’s a flat out playmaker. Keep grooming him, he has 1, maybe 2 more years in the slot, IMO. Cary’s and Fletcher’s deals pretty much guarantee at least one more year in the slot. I also like the point made about Davis getting creative with him in the coming seasons. If he can get used more in that hybrid role, definitely a possibility. No he’s not a big hitter, but he’s not scared to hit.

          • Token

            I dont feel the contracts dictate anything in this. Fletch could be let go with no cap hit this year. But personally, I think hes a better corner than Cary. If he had any ball skills at all he could be quite good. But as is, I think Fletch could be a starter here for awhile if he can keep healthy.

            Cary is due 6.4 million next year. I dont think hes near worth it. I think hes in the bottom 20% of the league as a starting corner. Cutting him saves around 3 million vs what you would have paid.

            Theres one fact here. And that is Boykin is the only playmaker in the entire secondary.

            Playing him 50% of the time just so the Cary Williams of the world can log snaps is really really silly to me.

            Going into next year with this same situation is dumb. Boykin may end up being terrible in the long run. But when a kid shows this much potential playing half the time, you give him a chance. Especially over a FA that isnt very good.

            And before we jump to the size argument. Keep in mind that all offseason we will be hearing from these same people like GEAGLE about how great of a pickup Alterraun Verner is. Hes near the same size as Boykin.

            We all want monster size corners ideally. But with the way Davis deploys his corners, I dont see how size matters much in this scheme.

          • nicksaenz1

            You actually saw it the last two games in matchups like Jeffrey/Marshall/Bryant. The two we have on the outside are Chips desired height because of matchups like that. He doesn’t care as much about the shorter receivers because the league moving toward bigger, more physical receivers. Most teams have at least one. And that contracts absolutely factor in. They could get rid of both next season but they won’t because the CB market isn’t great outside of a few names like Talib and Grimes, who are going to command more. I’d happily sign Talib to replace one of the two, but Williams has not been nearly as bad as you make him out to be. Regardless of rankings, he’s played well, better than most us thought he would. So my point, is I think they’re here another year, keeping Boykin inside for at least another year.

          • Maggie

            Okay, play him 100% on the outside. Who replaces him?

      • theycallmerob

        I don’t disagree with token in how he perceives it, that is fair; however, I think Chip and the Eagles look at it differently. Boykin, like Kendricks, has been through a number of DC and position coaches already. This year was more about teaching scheme, next year allows for refinement of technique. As Davis said, there was no reason to rush him outside- why have a guy play outside when we have two bigger outside CBs who can’t play the slot? If he can be the best nickel corner in the league from the slot, why risk that by forcing more pressure on him early? No reason he can’t work more outside next year.

        Or, play more of a hybrid FS/DB role, but that would need a sure tackling safety to clean up, since Boykin isn’t exactly the biggest hitter. And great tackling is not a strong suit of our current safeties.

        More importantly, look where the league is going. As with the 34, the whole LT/RT thing is a bit overused. There are great rushers on both sides, and DC are constantly moving their best players around anyway to take advantage of matchups. ARI does this very well, and of course JJ Watt is the best example. That’s why I don’t get bothered with the LJ starting at RT thing- a good OT is a good OT.

        Well-defined positions on defense are becoming more and more blurred; rather than a strict DT, DE, OLB, etc, guys simply play DL, LB, or DB (ex- B. Logan, Kendricks, Calais Campbell, Rex and Rob Ryan’s defenses, what Belichick has been doing with DBs for years)
        But, back to Boykin- I see the CB and FS line blurring a little. Boykin is the best DB on the team, period. And like honey badger, I bet Davis gets more creative with using him next year now that there is actually some continuity to the organization.

        • Richard Colton

          You sold me. Especially since Boykin played the first half of the season at hybrid CB/OLB.

        • Token

          I agree with that for this season.

          But next year is different. Going into next year starting a Cary Williams over Boykin is silly IMO. They have time to address it.

        • JofreyRice

          Very nice post. I said this above, but I could see Boykin as that 3-3-5 rover they had Chung playing in TC. He’s basically already done everything required from that role.

          It would be great to have a free safety you can trust with the deep third, though. Right now, I don’t see anyone on the roster with that kind of skill, which is probably why they have press man corners playing so far off the ball.

          • theycallmerob

            Thanks. And your second paragraph speaks to the current personnel, and what Kelly and Davis had to do to make it work this year. That’s the issue I have with trying to say that everything in place now will be the same in 2 years when Boykin needs a new contract (or really next year if they extend). Having a better coverage safety will give them much more flexibility in how they attack receivers and coverages (particularly with more press man, as you noted).

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, it’s true. Greg Cosell talks about how certain package players can be absolutely critical to coaches, in a way that may escape fans. A guy playing 15 or 20 snaps a game may be really, really important to the gameplan, because those 15 or 20 plays constrain the opposing offense into a scheme you can attack.

            Honestly, it’s possible that Boykin wants to start outside, and walks away to do it, if the Eagles don’t offer that opportunity here. What I’d hope is that they identify his talent, and utilize him in a way that makes him feel appreciated and copasetic with the situation.

      • cliff henny

        the disagreement is thinking eagles have no choice in retaining BB. guy is making 600k in 4th yr. eagles can drag that out another 2 yrs, or offer him early extension. way new collective bargaining agreement is structured,as long as gms dont go hog wild buying open market free agents, players that have proven worth over 1st 3 yrs are easily re-signed.

        • Richard Colton

          Sean Smith got, what? 3 years 18 million as a slightly better than average free agent CB. Have to figure Boykin will want whatever premium CBs are getting. Not saying it can’t be done. Like Rob said, maybe I’m paying too much attention to the nickel label.

          These problems didn’t exist when we drafted bust after bust.

          • cliff henny

            MIA let smith go an extra yr. it’s the extesion between 3rd and 4th, so they arent playing that final yr for nfl pennies. also, smith, really got 2yrs 12m, like CW. now, BB is playing for 600k in ’15, think if he’s offered 4/18m with 3yr/12m guarenteed he wont jump on that? if he doesnt he doesnt, but he’d be rolling some serious dice. guys will walk, just have to hope howie keeps drafting and kelly keeps coaching.
            .
            rob’s write ups are great, too lazy to log out and give a 2nd guest upvote.

          • Richard Colton

            it’s a possibility. then again, plenty of players gamble on free agency. Rod Tidwell with the Cardinals comes to mind.

          • JofreyRice

            much better problem to have.

        • Token

          Sorry, I cant get past how you are just dismissing what the guy wants. How much does he have to say it?

          He wants to play outside. He wants to start. The Eagles offering him a extension means very little to him if hes stuck in the slot playing just half the time.

          Hes said this since at least the beginning of this year. He will try to be a good soldier until his deal runs out. Then someplace, if not here, will allow him to start. Thats what the guy wants.

          • theycallmerob

            even if you’re correct, why is the sky always falling? You can’t extrapolate this season to the future- who knows what Kelly and Davis will do with a full-offseason, new draft, and fresh tape on FA who they may target.

            and at the least, he’s here 2 more years. We may have studs by then, or have won a Super Bowl. A player’s wants (especially a young guy) can mature and change over time. It’s known as growth.

          • Token

            Why is the sky falling? Im making a point. One that I think should be very simple to understand.

            Currently you have one not very good starter. And you have one very promising young corner that wants to play outside. You have a offseason to fix that. Simple.

          • theycallmerob

            People arent processing this. The guy wants to be a outside starting corner. Hes practically shouting it from the rooftops. Enjoy him in the slot another couple years. Then hes likely gone. They dont like his size.

            presumed intonation, one might say. that’s a pretty aggressive stance, based on a 1 year extrapolation.
            We have a premier DB playmaker who is very young and very cheap, guaranteed for the next 2 years at least. Who the heck knows where we’ll be by then, or what his views are?

          • Maggie

            Perhaps it should be remembered that several players have changed position or playing style this year. For the good of the TEAM! Some of the commenters seem to see one player as being isolated from the other 52. Tunnel vision. Hard to widen their view.

          • Adam

            Hey Token, you make some great points, but you don’t always have to act like a pompous asshole every time you try to make one. I think we can all agree that Chip has done a great a job with the development of this team so far, so how about we stop making assumptions and give him the benefit of the doubt. Chip thinks very highly of Boykin but also sees the negative effects of bouncing a player inside and outside. So how about we wait and see what he does this off season before we start making presumption when we have zero historical evidence of Chip’s personnel off season development moves.

          • BlindChow

            Just because he’s nickel-only this year doesn’t mean the Eagles will make him nickel-only for his entire career.

      • FMWarner

        I think there is a shift taking place – with the advent of spread offenses and 3 WR or 4 WR sets, the nickel corner is almost seen as a starter and Boykin might start playing more snaps without changing position. I agree that Boykin is best suited to the nickel, but depending on the organizational philosophy, that could be a position worth investing serious dollars in. I’d rather pay Boykin than a couple of JAGs like Fletcher and Williams, even if it he is just the nickel.

    • theycallmerob

      He’s a DB, plain and simple. The lines are becoming blurred, especially in the LeBeau coaching tree that Davis comes from.

      A good example was Woodson, mentioned below, but also what Capers was doing with Casey Heward:

      There was a time in the NFL, as early as a decade ago, when the
      conventional thinking for slot corners was that if they improved enough,
      they’d make their way outside. Playing outside the numbers came with
      prestige. Some derisively called the nickel the “third” corner.
      Capers has defied that thinking for some time, but now NFL offenses
      are identifying the nickel corner as a key part of any defense.

      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/70894/the-all-22-all-star-team-casey-hayward-and-the-value-of-a-nickel

      • cliff henny

        BB with his ball hawking ability would be nice FS. i’m getting to the point, especially after season with chung, i couldnt careless about big hitting safeties. get me 2 guys that can run like the wind and chase down 50/50 balls. just be able to get guys to the ground is tackling enough for me. nfl wont let them hit anyway. let the cbs be physical at the line.
        .
        and i still get amped just seeing dawkins on espn. nfl has ruined the safety position.

        • Token

          You think the switch from nickel to outside is a big deal? The switch from corner to safety is a huge one. Few have ever been able to do it.

          • southy

            Maybe true, but few have tried. Safety used to basically be a skinny linebacker, that needed to be able to hit well enough to make TEs think twice about the seam route. Not many CBs would be thought of for that job back then. Nowadays you need guys who can handle being singled up on Dez.

            Boykin lacks size but has the vertical leap to contest balls all over the field, and was physical enough for Billy to treat him like an OLB early in the season. Not saying it will happen, but he could probably pull it off.

            I would like to see him get a shot outside. Right now I like having taller, physical guys out there that have the length to make plays like CWill did on the 2PT, but Boykin deserves a shot to prove he has the athleticism to defend fade routes and the like against taller WRs.

          • JofreyRice

            I think with the proliferation of spread concepts, it’s quite likely that we’ll see more defensive concepts designed to stop the spread. One defense is the 3-3-5, which utilizes a second SS. Now that the linemen understand two-gapping and being head up on a blocker, they could use this sub package. I think back in TC when they weren’t sure Patrick Chung was so shitty, they were using him as a 3rd roving S, down in the box, along with Nate Allen and another Safety (maybe Phillips, back then?). I guess he’d still be a sub package player, but depending on the opponent, he may see a lot more snaps.

            Not that you’d ever confuse Brandon Boykin for Dennis Smith, but I think Boykin could probably play that roving “SS” role. In fact, I think Boykin has already shown he can handle the responsibilities of the rover SS. Providing run support, covering slot guys in man, and blitzing. Now, if they wanted him to be the FS, and asked him to play centerfield regularly, I think that’d be a much tougher transition. Either way, I think you need to sign a real free safety that can handle over the top responsibility.

          • southy

            They’ve gone with a 3-safety look a few times in games even recently. I think they’ve had Coleman come in and even Anderson once or twice. It’s one of those Davis headscratchers like having Boykin playing OLB and blitzing while our true LBs are playing coverage. Why would we want to put MORE SAFETIES in the game when we’re obviously thin as it is?

            I think CK has said in the past that ideally you’d have two safeties on the field with interchangeable roles – so no designated SS or FS.

          • JofreyRice

            I guess I’m talking more about responsibilities than titles. It would be great to have two guys who’s strengths are the old “FS” role–in a 3 safety look, you could have Boykin playing that underneath react/rover player–you could either call him a nickel, a linebacker, or a safety, and at time’s he’s shown he can perform the responsibilities of any of those three.

      • Token

        The fact is he played 50% of the snaps. We can argue all day on what a nickel corner is now. But they arent a starter. They arent playing many snaps. Those are the facts for this team, this scheme.

        • theycallmerob

          this year
          New coach. New scheme. Inherited shitty safeties and no CBs. What was Kelly to do?
          And who else on this team was playing nickel? They grabbed 2 guys for the outside 9most likely temporarily) and, in a league where teams often go 3 wide, they were able to have confidence in at least 1 CB. Consider that maybe teams didn’t want to play an extra WR because of Boykin? And did you see how little QBs threw at him?

          Your view is too narrow.

          • Token

            Yea for THIS year I can live with it. But they have all offseason to find another capable corner and to get rid of Cary.

            The whole Woodson idea doesnt work. Where would Boykin play? Sit Cary so he can play outside then move inside in nickel situations? Thats not gonna happen.

      • RIP illa

        Woodson was moved inside due to Father Time. He was no longer able to have the same impact, as he once did on the outside, but as he got older, he got stronger and put on more weight and was able to be more effective blitzing off the edge while still having the knowledge and some physical skills to take on slot WRs. Gotta remember, a lot of slot WRs were not burners at the time. Slot WRs started and are getting more and more athletic and viable thrats downfield. Couple that w/ more of the aging proccess slowing him down, but yet a high football IQ and that’s how you get the move to safety.

  • GEAGLE

    Can’t help thinking how nasty our defense would be if we had Boykin and the Honeybadger….

    The way Brandon stayed calm enough to out jump Dez and get the PBU was just BIGTIME

    Only corners I like are Janoris and Gilmore..jerry drafted Claiborne 6th and a corner we drafted 100 spots later ended Jerry’s season hahahah

    • Joe from Easton

      117 spots later, haha.

  • GEAGLE

    Brees threw 27 of his 29 TD passes at home this year…and he threw 9 of his 12 interceptions on the road!

    I respect this saints team, but I really don’t fear them. Run them the F OVER!!!

    • cliff henny

      that cant be right, he only threw 2 road tds? Linc better be so loud when Saints are on offense that they cant hear eachother in the huddle. and, even better, i cant hear colinsworth on my tv

      • Matty Boy

        Drew Brees threw 39 touchdowns this year, I think.

        • Media Mike

          Yeah, Geagle’s point is still apt, he just had a typing error.

        • GEAGLE

          Yes he threw 39,’30 of them indoors….outdoors his completion percentage is 10 less, and he only averages 6yards per completion outdoors…
          ….
          Some of. Those outdoor stats come from games early in the season or in warm weather places….doubt They do to well in outdoor games when it’s freezing……..noise also has screwed with their huddle and audibles at times this year…they had a complete meltdown In Seatte..

          His QBR is 81 on the road…I’ll take that as long as the rainmaker is still 120 lol

          • Token

            Did you see his road schedule? Of course you didnt.

          • GEAGLE

            I have WATCHED ATleast 10 saints games this year…how about you? Lol

          • UKEagle99

            You can’t use the past to predict the future. Surely we would all be millionaires?

          • Beastmode

            Read he’s 1-4 playing outside, and his one win was in the 60’s temps.

          • UKEagle99

            It means nothing. He’s 0-0 against us this year and he’s a damned good QB with plenty of talent.

          • OregonDucker

            I think Jaws mentioned that Brees spirals aren’t tight so the wind affects them. Not sure about his hand size but, if his hands are small or average, a cold, hard football is harder to throw accurately. Foles has massive hands and we know he can throw in cold weather in a blizzard.

      • Marilyn Monbroe

        I think he had 39 tds. Still 12 tds and 9 ints makes him more “Eli” than elite on the road.

      • GEAGLE

        My bad, Multi tasking….I was looking at the PhillyMag article about jaws talking about his indoor vs outdoor play

    • Alex

      http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2013/12/31/eagles-wake-call-weather-will-affect-brees-says-jaws/

      You might wanna brush up there. 39tds. 9 INT on the road right, but 2 were vs. St. Louis indoors.

    • Maggie

      If we can put any stock into the talking heads opinions, Drew Brees isn’t who the Eagles have to worry about. It’s the Saints defense. Since most of those talking heads still cannot man up and admit that they were wrong about Chip Kelly in the summer, I don’t take most of them seriously. It’s almost comical to listen to them still trying to convince the world that they were right and all college coaches are wrong. There are a few who make some sense, however and it’s always good to have a wide variety of opinions, lol.

  • Esther

    I was sold on Boykin when he stepped up to Cruz and shut his punk ass down. I’m skeptical, however, of Davis’ POV that Boykin’s success is due to “specialization.” I thought he played fine when Fletcher went down and can give any receiver problems with his speed and quickness no matter where they line up. Not sold on Davis…

    • Joe from Easton

      I’m not calling him the next Dick Lebeau, but he’s put together an opportunistic and stingy defense. I don’t think he cares about yards given up anymore than Chip cares about time of possession. He cares about big plays (turnovers) and points; the same things that chip cares about. The eagles are middle of the pack in points given up and minus two bad games (denver and vikings) they haven’t given up more than 22 all year. They also happen to be third in TO diff and one of the best at taking the ball away in the second half of the season. Now think about the fact that this is all in a transitional year from a 4-3 to a two gap 3-4 without an insane amount of player turnover. He can coach.

      • Media Mike

        Sort of like an anti-McDermott who cried about people criticizing him when his D was 12th in yards allowed by had the worst red zone play in 30 years in the entire NFL.

      • GEAGLE

        Where you around on this site back when we signed Billy?
        I was getting killed for promising that Philly would fall in love with Billy Davis…how Yous like dem apples? Lol

        • theycallmerob

          He sold me before the first WAS game with the whole “we don’t know what we are yet” routine. I find him to be frank and objective. A good example being the Boykin quote above- agree or disagree with his snaps, you can’t deny that Davis has a well-reasoned explanation for how he played him this year. I always appreciate logic in a coach.

        • Joe from Easton

          I was reading, but I hadn’t set up an account and joined the fray at that time..

        • UKEagle99

          Billy D was not the “sexy” pick and was generally lambasted by most, however you lauded him. In BBC style fairness though, you laud most people and lambast none.

      • nicksaenz1

        KC and SD both scored more than 22. Basically, we’ve only given up more than 22 once since week 5.

        • theycallmerob

          The beginning of the year was tough for both sides of the ball with the new coaches and new scheme (particularly on defense, basically going from one end of the scheme spectrum to the other). Impressed with what the D coaches did this year; constant growth all season with very, very young guys.

        • BlindChow

          KC scored off a pick-six. The defense only gave up 19 points.

          And even that includes the FG they kicked after the Damaris Johnson fumble, a drive on which the KC offense LOST yards.

          • nicksaenz1

            I stand corrected. Thank you, sir.

    • EaglePete

      I dont get people thinking he cant play outside, agree there, totally disagree on Davis

      • Maggie

        I don’t believe that Davis said Boykin CAN’T play outside, he said they wanted him to get really good at one position at a time.

      • RIP illa

        It’s not about that he can’t play outside…it’s about where is he best at!!! He’s not gonna be locking down the outside like he’s doing at slot. And who’s our back up slot WR anyway??? Exactly!!! You can’t just throw any corner in at slot and expect success, it’s a whole different world. Size does matter in the league and Boykin does not have enough to consistently battle against bigger recovers on a regular basis. Could he do it every now and again…sure, but it only takes one time to get out jumped and/or out muscled and game over…Eagles lose!!! And please don’t mention his Vert or the Dez Bryant play. Corners are usually at a disadvantage when going for jump balls by body position alone. And as far as the Bryant play, that was one time.

        Bottom line is that we have a strength at a position, slot cb. You do not, I repeat, you do not compromise that as well as the outside corner position!!! Their’s no gain nor advantage.

        • UKEagle99

          Nah you’re wrong. DRC was put at slot last year and he… Oh. I get your point.

  • Johnny_P

    Let me ask a philosophical question to all Eagles fans. What will your reaction be if Eagles lose on Saturday night, and what will it be if they win? If they lose, will it hurt just a little bit because expectations were so low, new coaching regime, new defense etc, or will it hurt badly because once you’re in the playoffs, regardless of circumstances, you have to seize the opportunity?

    • Media Mike

      I’ll be upset and angry at the time of the loss because one really shouldn’t be losing home playoff games to franchises that have never won a playoff game on the road in their entire history and against QBs who have horrible road performances when playing outside in cold weather.
      Once things turn into draft and free agency mode; I’ll be more happy about a surprise playoff birth.
      But in either case, I’m expect to ride the playoff train to wins here on Saturday, down in Carolina the next week, before and ultimate loss at the hands of the mighty Seahawks.

      • KimbaFuzz

        What you just wrote was what made me so upset about losing to the Bucs in that NFC Championship game. They had NEVER done it before. So yeah, I’ll be disappointed if the Eagles lose to the Saints.

        • Media Mike

          That F-ing game from the 2002 season (which should have been our Superbowl!) is always at the front of my mind.

          • UKEagle99

            What is done, is done. It hurt, I know. Don’t let the past taint the future.

      • OregonDucker

        Media Mike – I share your sentiment. Players have worked so hard, overcome some tough adversity, and achieved so much. I would feel really bad if they lost to NO.

        But I have this feeling that we are seeing something special with the young Eagles and Chip. Something magical. I’m very intrigued about this playoff game. It could swing either way – hard. Foles has the potential to eviscerate the NO D. Ditto for Brees. My money is on Foles and his teammates.

        • theycallmerob

          Foles has the potential to eviscerate the NO D

          I’d say the most likely candidate on the Eagles is Shady; NO is terrible against the run, and they’ll slow down a little on our cold turf. Our run game is build for this time of year

          • OregonDucker

            Ryan will stack the box and play bump, press man. They will dare us to beat them in the air. And we will.

          • UKEagle99

            Ryan will blitz. Need to mix in a few delays, Shady will break one.

          • Richard Colton

            I believe one of our record breaking players will eviscerate the NO D. God…there are so many to choose from.

    • Beastmode

      Too many holes on D to get too upset IMO.

      • theycallmerob

        I’m about where you are. Would love to see them win, but would not be heartbroken after a loss (like I would have if we lost to DAL).
        Also, depends on performance….for instance, if the defense plays well but offense sputters, I might be more pissy.

        I’m almost more curious to see how Kelly does than the team. Payton is a very good adversary. I’d like to see Kelly perform well, even if the team doesn’t necessarily execute or Foles can’t keep up with Brees.

        • UKEagle99

          I expected more from you my man. A level head is one thing but we are in playoff mode now. Win or go home. If the frickin giants can do it from 6th seed, we can do it from 3. Teams “more perfect” than us have gone home early in recent years, and teams with greater deficiencies have gone on to compete.

          • theycallmerob

            Ha, I try to be pragmatic, but I sure hope you end up correct!

    • Michael Winter Cho

      Be sad because this is a big chance for us, and they might not get another one.
      Chip’s offense is new and could get figured out by next year, same for Foles. We will turn it over more next year, this pace isn’t sustainable.
      The D might be getting lucky with all the turnovers and be mostly smoke and mirrors that will get exposed next year (not that it’s been that good this year).
      We will most likely have a much harder and less charmed schedule next year.
      We’re very hot right now and could follow the script of Pittsburgh, NY–mediocre team riding one dominant unit to win out.
      This is the time. Right now.

      • FMWarner

        Exactly. NFL teams don’t build over a period of years anymore, getting closer each time. Every season is a thing unto itself, and the Eagles are pretty charmed right now.

    • FMWarner

      It will hurt badly. Expectations were low, but now the Eagles are there – the old expectations don’t apply anymore. The NFL is different now. It used to be that one of the 2 or 3 obviously dominant teams won it every year. But the NFL just isn’t that way anymore – the most important thing is getting into the playoffs and seeing what happens. (Which, incidentally, is where so many people sold Andy Reid short – he knew the best philosophy was to get as many lottery tickets as possible.)

      When teams like the 2001 Patriots, 2002 Bucs (ouch), 2003 Panthers (ouch), 2005 Seahawks, 2008 Cardinals (ouch), 2010 Packers, 2007/2011 Giants, and 2012 Ravens get to the Super Bowl, it’s foolish to say that any playoff team is incapable of a run. That’s why it would hurt – there’s no such thing as an encouraging playoff loss anymore.

    • UKEagle99

      Stupid question. I want to know from anyone why it does not hurt badly. Seriously?

  • Media Mike

    This should be an interesting free agency period and draft to try and fill additional roster needs. We’re in need of:
    – 2 safeties
    – 1 CB (true #1 shutdown type guy)
    – 1 OLB who can really get home on the rush AND cover the pass (thus allowing Barwin to be more unpredictable from one play to the next)
    – 1 NT ( a real fat pig type who can also move)
    – #2 WR (Maclin sucks, Cooper is still a #4 on a good team)
    – #3 WR (Avant is a great leader, but a more dynamic slot player would help)
    – G (Heremans could be upgraded and both he and Mathis aren’t young)
    Should be interesting to see how we fill those needs.

    • Beastmode

      They are saying revis might leave the bucs when lovie gets there. Wonder how howie views him.

      • Media Mike

        I can’t see us sinking $16 million a year into a declining player. That situation is very interesting however.

        • Beastmode

          Whoa. Didn’t realize it was 16 mill!

          • Media Mike

            Yup. The contract has no guarantees but a $16 mil / year cost for 2013-2018.

          • Beastmode

            Peanut Tillman also a FA. Quick google has him at 3.5m.

          • Media Mike

            The pro football talk (so that that rag for what it’s worth) article that talks about Reavis was just about calling Tilman a lock to go to Tampa to play for Lovie.

          • cliff henny

            guy’s 32, no way is he even on howie’s radar. want them to sign those 26/27 undervalued vets. let’s howie keep drafting bpa and easy on sal cap so when ’12 and ’13’s drafts come time to extend, they can retain homegrown talent.

        • FMWarner

          I can’t see anyone sinking $16 million into Revis though – he has no trade value at that salary, so he might get cut.

    • cloisterwater

      Can’t say I agree with your WR assessment. Maclin is a question mark, but certainly doesn’t suck and Cooper is currently a #2 on a good team.

      • Matty Boy

        I believe just about every position can be upgraded or reloaded. Contracts don’t last forever, injuries occur, age gets to some guys. That’s why BPA is usually the superior draft strategy. That said, Maclin is a big question mark, which could favor us by potentially resigning him cheap. Cooper has been solid. 8 TDs, 800+ yards, 17.8 YPC, and he blocks well. I think a dynamic receiving threat could only help this team, but Riley has done well. Safety is a need, especially pending a deal with Nate Allen. Pass rushers are always needed. O-Line depth is also up on the list. I don’t see any glaring weaknesses, but we could probably use more talent on defense.

        • Media Mike

          We were one pick away from having Alshon Jeffrey on this team. Let that sink in for a minute when looking at Cooper / Maclin / etc.

          • cloisterwater

            And then we wouldn’t have Kendricks

          • Media Mike

            Kendricks may have been there when we took Curry.

          • Marilyn Monbroe

            I don’t know why everyone hates maclin. My only problem with him is that he doesn’t catch with his hands. He is fast, runs good routes, and isn’t a diva.

          • JofreyRice

            I think it’s the fact that he play much smaller than he is, and has some big moments where he’s come up very small.

          • UKEagle99

            My argument for Maclin is this… Both #1 & #2 wideouts had career years undef Chip. Why not see what Maclin can do?

    • cliff henny

      shutdown corners dont grow on trees. outside of sherman, not even sure another exists. get safety in FA and olb in draft, grab another fletcher-like undervalued corner (there’s always some available, till BF eagles just never seemed to locate them) and defense should be improved. assume logan curry thorton cox boykin wolff kendricks will get coached up some more. imagine if these young guys make same improvements over next as this year.

      • GEAGLE

        Shut down corners have become magical pink unicorns..lol…
        you can’t just pay 50 million to a player at every position. When you look at our roster, you can really only add one Big money player in our secondary….it makes so much more sense to add a playmaking safety,who can help Wolff along the way Meco has helped Kendrick! and who can be counted on to allow our Cornerbacks to press and take more risks…..we aren’t paying any free agent CBs..we aren’t drafting a CB to the 4th or 5th round….

        Can’t just add everything, have to allocate resources…and if you ask Chip about replacing Cary Williams I think he would laugh at you…
        ….
        Cliff i doubt we are signing any CBs at all…I think it’s one of the positions we have to start getting younger at. Rookie CBs suck, so we gotta get outside CB youth to develope to take over for Cary and Brad in two to three years

        • cliff henny

          think jerry jones would like a word with you about paying everyone 50m.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol Snyder too….curious to see if they have learned their lesson, let Orakpo walk,so. They can free up space and build a team from ground zero the right way, or if they will break the bank open to keep him…

            I’m hearing that some people question whether the saints can clear enough cap space to even franchise Jimmy Graham at a TE tender…if arbitrator rules he cost TE money, keeping Graham might really hurt that team…people assume they will cut will smith to free up some space, but they have issues….very curious to see how the saints maneuver this offseason…
            ….
            Mike: Cooper is going NO WHERE! You don’t take away the young WR that our Young QB has the most chemistry with….that just doesn’t happen. Cooper will remain a bird. Doubt he is too anxious to try and incorporate himself into a new, predominantly Black locker room…that’s a risk for him. He has it good here, a QB that loves him and a coach that values his blocking. Cooper will be here for a while

          • nicksaenz1

            Logan, too. Don’t know why he thinks we need a NT.

          • Richard Colton

            I wouldn’t mind seeing Logan as PART of a DE/NT rotation. He is a little undersized to play 65-70% of an entire season’s snaps at NT. I wouldn’t scream bloody murder if they took a NT high in the draft.

          • theycallmerob

            ^ this. Nix or Hageman may fall to where we draft. BPA.

          • GEAGLE

            Yes sir…I have my eye on both. I adore our front line, but it’s not complete until we have a viscious 6 beast rotation…if Kruger pans out, he makes #5…we still have room for beast
            1) cox
            2) Ced
            3)’Logan
            4) Curry
            5) Kruger
            6) Nix/Shede
            That could be a scary line of baby beasts to grow up together

          • theycallmerob

            I love that. Literally roll out two DLs, keeping them fresh all the time, or mix-and-match depending on QB (i.e., letting Curry feast on slower cats, or having Logan around to keep up with more athletic QBs)

          • GEAGLE

            Hagemen in round 1 with Kony Ealy rushing the passer behind Trent Cole in round 2 would make me Lose it…add JariusByrd Byrd and that’s a TOP defense!!!

          • Richard Colton

            Cowboys can enjoy their season highlight of Damon “notgonnabeherenextyear” Square getting leveled while we begin our NFC East domination.

          • nicksaenz1

            A little undersized, but he’s a rookie. He’s a couple years from having his grown man strength. Think Huls has him right size in that time frame.

      • Marilyn Monbroe

        Everyone forgets about patrick Peterson. He is better than Sherman. Faster, more athletic, and doesn’t have to commit pass interference almost every play.

        • JofreyRice

          Disagree. I’ll take Sherman all day over Peterson. Much better technician, IMO.

          I feel like the NFL is just now reeling back the excessive PI penalties. After the Colts lost their AFC Championship game because the Patriots roughed the receivers up until just recently the PI calls were ridiculous. Peyton basically petitioned the league so that being within 3 feet of the WR was a penalty, and they went along to promote bigger scoring affairs. Glad to see those days are coming to an end. Battling for the ball in the air has got be a part of coverage–especially if jarring it loose with a hit is now verboten because the receiver is defenseless.

    • GEAGLE

      I don’t think we are losing many players from a young playoff team, but I do expect to add to it. Because we are contenders, and have established a healthy culture! we can afford to bring in a big time free agent to try and get over the hump…but it’s also important to get back to the old days when we would look 3 years ahead and get young at certain positions so we have guys ready to step in when our veterans move on in two, 3 years..Curious to hear guys thoughts on some of the top FA available..

      1) Top of my wish list has ALWAYS been Byrd…and giving a ton of money makes me feel much more comfortable if our coach who knows him well, signs off on bringing him here…
      ….
      No the rest are in no particular order

      Greg Hardy….wonder if he could play Trent Coles role..curious to hear thoughts on him because he is a top 10 4-3DE two years in a row, 11 plus sacks each year, only 25 years old

      Micheal Johnson. I DOUBT stingy Cincy will pay him. 26yeqrs old, 3.5 sacks down from 11.5 last year but PFF ranks him the second best 4-3DE in football behind the mighty Quinn.

      Orakpo quietly rebounded from injury with a career year in tackles and 10 sacks, playing on a joke of a defense..

      TJ WARD has been a really good safety for the last 4 years. This year he ranks as the second best. 27 years old

      Domte Witner really improved his pass defense, and after a really solid year, he is in line to get PAID…
      ….
      If we want one of these safeties prepare to pay some serious Dashon Goldson money which really turned us off last year when we were looking at safeties…last year we had so many holes to fill, that I understood not signing him…But we can’t go into the season with a rookie safety and 2nd year Wolff…We have to sign a veteran, might as well pony up the 5yr 41mil plus, to get the most talented playmaker of our secondary who can help take this defense to the next level…I’d be so happy with Byrd, as long as we structure the deal so that we can get out of it after the 3rd season…pay more in signing bonus if you have to….Chip will know if Byrd is worth the money and if we can bring him into our locker room…safety has been a problem forever. Time to turn it into a strength!!!

      Wouldn’t mind adding a veteran to the Dline….don’t know how BJ Raji has been playing, but a situational fat boy could help us

  • Media Mike

    My ideal playoffs:
    – Eagles over Saints – duh
    – Packers over Niners via a 3 INT and 2 fumble day by Kaep who gets mocked by Packers players doing mock bicep kisses. Additionally Frank Gore punches Jim Harbaugh in the face after the game because Gore only gets 8 carries.
    – Chiefs over Colts – I’m still a Reid fan and Alex Smith goes for 5 TDs and 476 yards because the Colts shadow Jamal Charles with 9 guys at all times
    – Bengals over Chargers – no real rooting interest here, but karma indicates that we can’t have 3 AFC west teams in the divisional round, right?

    – Eagles over Panthers – Cary pick 6s Scam Newton twice and then beats the crap out of Steve Smith in the rematch fight from pre-season. Foles shreds the Panthers D backs thus costing McDermott any further head coaching interviews and proving to McDermott that he’s still a sucky loser.
    – Seahawks over Pack – Richard Sherman in a press conference after the win breaks out a chart comparing the scab refs for 2012 vs. the real refs from this year and explains to the Packers how they can’t beat Seattle with any type of refs.
    – Broncos over Chiefs – uhhh, I have to do a better job getting my team prepared to play in Mile High……………….
    – Pats over Bengals – Due to additional injuries to Pats WRs, Irvin Fryar comes out of retirement to put up a 7-134-2 stat line for the Pats

    Seahawks over Eagles – we have to lose somewhere
    Broncos over Pats – Denver can’t choke home field two years in a row, right?

    Broncos vs. Seahawks – too close to call.

    • cloisterwater

      My “ideal” playoffs has the Eagles winning the Superbowl.

      • Media Mike

        I agree! But I’m trying to balance “ideal” vs. “correct.”

        • cloisterwater

          Haha, fair enough.

      • Tom W

        Have the niners beat the pack followed by niners beating seahawks (possible at the least) and that gets the eagles the home game in the championship against the niners. Chip v Harbaugh … Pac 12 rematch.

    • theycallmerob
      • mtn_green

        No it is the home team on the first team Andy Reid plays at the Linc !

        • theycallmerob

          I sure hope so. I hope the Eagles under Kelly is more of a “Eagles win Super Bowl”, not “team ___ who plays Eagles wins super bowl”

      • Eagles4Life

        Eagles over Chargers for the Lombardi to break the Andy curse lol

      • EaglePete

        Nope, Cinci is tough at home but ya ya Dalton chokes a lot and 4 picks that last game is not a good sign. However, SD to me is just as strange of a team, bad against bad teams, good vs good teams. I just see a SD team that needed the refs to beat the Chiefs backups with their season on the line, that was nearly (and should have been) the worst choke job of the season minus the cowboys of course (GB game was a classic)

    • Token

      I wanna get to Seattle. I think we can beat them up there. People are really terrified of that team without good reason IMO. They are as beatable as anyone else in the NFC.

      • JofreyRice

        If Wilson plays like he’s finished out the season, they might not have enough offense to get it done. Just goes to show that all these QB’s are up and down. I think Luck had a 4 game stretch this season where he threw 2 TDs to 5 INTs. Something to keep in mind about Foles.

        Yeah, that would be cool to play in Seattle. I look at this as all gravy. Losing gives these guys focus and big game experience. This team is light-years ahead of where I’d thought they’d be.

      • Maggie

        It’s fine to be optimistic, but, approach Seattle with caution. They have a long history of being belittled, too, and incentives similar to Philly’s. I live about 2 hours away, and even though there are numerous Eagles fans scattered around Metro Vancouver, there are even more Seahawks season ticket holders who make the trip every home game, AND contribute to the 12th man thing. They are all starved for a Super Bowl, too.

      • FMWarner

        I’d rather play the 49ers at home, but not really in the mood to dictate NFCCG sites – just get us there!

    • Broadcasting Wisdom

      GB over Seattle and then we host NFC Championship.

    • OregonDucker

      There will be thousands of Duck fans cheering Chip in the NFC Championship game in Seattle. Chip has owned Carroll in the past. By this game, the battle tested Eagles will have evolved into Godzilla. Eagles play like they have the Hawks playbook, because Chip knows Carroll’s tendencies. Lots of fights. But Eagles win.

  • jabostick

    Pretty good for a “candy bar” that gives up a lot of big plays.

  • KimbaFuzz

    I freaking love this kid. LOVE him.

  • theycallmerob
    • theycallmerob
    • GEAGLE

      Cutlers 7year extension? You almost have to keep him unless you are ready to deal with Brandon Marshall turning into TO lol

      • theycallmerob

        yes, but as long as he’s there I think they’re beatable (like Romo).

        If the Bears are playing the QB and both WRs big $, it will always weaken their other positions- OL, RB, and of course the defense. I don’t think they’re quite in “win-now” mode.

        • Token

          I love it. Basically takes another team out of the running IMO. Cutler will never win anything.

          Its a team stuck in a bad position. They gotta know Cutler isnt good enough. But they are scared to death to let him go and risk finding someone better. Thats a really bad spot to be in. NFL limbo.

          • theycallmerob

            reminds me of the sixers pre-Hinkie, or even the phillies past few years.

            2 most important positions in NFL are Head Coach and QB. We definitely nailed the former this year, and quite possibly the latter as well

          • EaglePete

            ya, its really about them being in a tough spot. I thought Cutler would be a Viking for sure.

          • JofreyRice

            It’s all about that arm-talent. Guys like him and Stafford are going to get so many chances because they can sling it around unbelievable. I heard Greg Cosell say that Matthew Stafford basically needs to be torn down to the ground, because his mechanics are so bad; back to square one, like taking the snap from the center. Meanwhile, when Stafford was asked if he’s going to work with a pitching coach, he’s basically like “Ain’t nobody got time for that”.

          • EaglePete

            ya but thats so dumb, thinking you need to change someone like Staffords release. Rivers has a strange motion as well. Theyve proven they can win, perfect mechanics isnt a super bowl winning formula. I think both Stafford and Cutler can make deep runs in the playoffs depending on the teams around them and coaching. The ole “team” game thing gets lost so easily with QB blame game. Detroit just needs a better coach.

          • JofreyRice

            I dunno, I tend to listen when Cosell talks about that stuff. He’s pretty knowledgeable about QB’s, and it’s tough for me to make the case that Stafford has “won” anything of note. The thing about having a team around Stafford is that the entire offense kind of flows through his right arm. If his footwork is utterly jacked up, and he’s making too many bad throws defenses are capitalizing on, then it seems they are going to be stuck in the middle of the pack. That team has way too much talent to miss the playoffs. Also, if I were a Lions fan, I wouldn’t want to hear my star QB is basically saying “I’ll just keep throwing it the way I’ve been throwing it” if we were missing the postseason AGAIN.

            Agreed that the sloppiness and lack of discipline seems to be an organizational problem related to Schwartz. We’ll have to wait and see.

            EDIT: It wasn’t the motion Cosell was criticizing, it was Stafford’s footwork. And I think the criticism of Cutler is the footwork, as well. I don’t think anyone wants to change those guys from throwing from all the different platforms they launch it from, just instill more consistent footwork, to produce more consistently accurate throws.

          • EaglePete

            right, that makes sense then per footwork, I was talking arm motion. I didnt mean Staffords won anything significant, but that offense has been good, dynamic even with him. More of putting it all together finally and ya all those weapons they should be in playoffs every yr. On Cutler front, i just dont really buy into the McCown replacing him stuff, this season was more the new coach getting it together which I also think is a big part of Foles success.

          • Maggie

            In Chicago, as in the Jets organization the last couple of years, or Washington, it seems that the owners and GM’s decide that splashy headlines to put butts in seats, is more important than building a quality team, or consulting with coaches, or leaving the coaches room to work! They just cannot understand that nothing sells seats like WINNING.

          • UKEagle99

            They ain’t Eagles, leave their footwork be.

        • GEAGLE

          Absolutely…I love keeping him in Chicago…FOles blew him out the stadium in his 15th game lol

        • FMWarner

          It’s a no win situation. Teams like the Lions, Ravens, Cowboys, and now the Bears have had the misfortune to have above-average but not spectacular QBs with expiring contracts just as the going salary slot for a franchise QB explodes. You don’t want to pay Stafford/Flacco/Romo/Cutler like a Peyton Manning, but someone will, so you have to. The alternative is going the 1st round QB route and its 50% bust rate. I think all four of those guys can win a Super Bowl, and these teams did what they had to do.

    • cliff henny

      that is insane! when the team plays just as well, maybe better, with a journeyman qb, maybe a qb isnt worth 1/6th of the sal cap. just seeing those numbers make me want to draft another qb in 5th. give kelly 3 yrs to make another. ask seattle and SF how great it is to have cap space to resign all good draft picks.

      • theycallmerob

        bingo.

        • mtn_green

          I think Barkley will play lights out in preseason so we will feel better about him.

    • EaglePete

      hes only 30 so its not the worst move imo. They are in win now mode with Forte, Marshall and Jeffrey you have a smaller window esp with Forte. The alternative was to go young with an unknown and prob waste away a few years or go with McCown but cmon, we cant really be putting chips in on him, thats even dumber if you ask me. I get the ripping Cutler thing is fashionable but the alternatives just arent there. I also get going young and letting Cutler go if you dont think hes capable, they said hes never played in a playoff game yet, crazy stat.

    • mtn_green

      In three years Foles will get his paycheck. I’m glad eagles aren’t in the same position as bears. In a sense eagles were when Vick got his three year contract two years ago.

    • Tom W

      The money spent on okay qbs is ridiculous but it such an important position that it trumps everything. Worst part is though that the money spent on top 12 qbs really hampers a team’s abilities to upgrade other positions. Big reason why Seattle and Niners were able to load up in free agency this year.

      Eagles have a 2-3 yr playoff window (including this year) to get us a parade before they have to pay Foles presumably 15-19 mil a year and 35-50 guaranteed. Getting to playoff this year has to move up Howie’s team building picture .. we aren’t as far away as they thought coming into the season …. at least land us one stud youngish free agent in the offseason.

      Obviously stud qb gives your team a chance every year … but bad contracts like Romo and maybe Cutler and Bradford hamper the cap.

  • Adam

    Boykin says he’s lined up outside this week in practice more than ever before. So look for Williams or Fletcher to be moving inside to cover Graham.

  • Mr. Wu

    18 mil a year to Cutler…are you kidding me?.. sounds like its really a 3 year deal ….all you have to do to beat him is punch him in the mouth a little then he plsys like a pussy……that’s the diff between him and Romo….Romo is tough he just fails to get it done

  • Max Lightfoot

    That Boykin Strut he performed was priceless. I hope Jerry Jones has that nightmare vision every night for the rest of his life.

  • EaglePete

    This site has completely ruined natl coverage for me. I mean I used to get amped at all the coverage back in the mcnabb playoff runs. Now what I see on TV is just so bad and shallow its hard to watch. I have to hear Stink throw around little brother pressure vs big brother per Brees and Foles. Really, thats all you got for me of all the angles, then I hear him saying it again on the radio this morning. Man its just so bad, there are so many other good options to discuss but everything they talk about is so dumb, gatorade really?

    • Maggie

      I still don’t get that big brother-little brother thing. Same age, and Chip has been coaching, and learning about the NFL, for years. He also had numerous NFL connections for years, and he seems to be able to assess his own weak spots, then find NFL PEOPLE to fill them in.

      • UKEagle99

        Far too many generalisations and inaccuracies for me to even begin to address. At least you got your name right.

  • DirtyWaters

    Any idea why there’re interviewing Nate Allen in that picture?

    • Maggie

      Maybe he had the closest view to the INT? Or maybe the interviewer had no idea who he was talking to? ;~}

    • UKEagle99

      Yup. “Hey Nate. Why cant you do that?”

  • GEAGLE

    Saints have 6 turnovers in the last 3 road games…all loses
    ..
    11 games with a turnover
    ..
    6 multiple turnover games

    Eagles defense has 31 takeaways, third behind Seattle and KC
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    Saints failed to score on an opening drive in 11 of it’s last 12 games..
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    It’s imperative that we get out to a lead, and not turn the ball over…our defense will get a takeaway or two…offense needs to be clicking on all cylinders and play a clean game

  • GEAGLE

    Meco was just in studia with Spads:
    ..
    Made a plea to philly fans to bring the noise this week when they are on defense saying it really will help if we can make a team that likes to make so many checks struggle to communicate
    ..
    When asked if nTHEY are prepared to face an explosive offense, he talked about how the defense has peaked at the right time then reminded everyone that they been going against a potent Chip Kelly offense every day and talked about how competitive it gets between the ones,.reminding everyone that he goes up against Shady every day, and they really compete…Mykal is lined up against Celek and Ertz every day and so on…..

    Liked Meco’s demeanor..sounds confident

  • JofreyRice

    Man, I just think this guy deserves a shot outside. He’s got that “it” factor, of being able to make those huge, gamechanging plays. Forced fumbles, INTs, whatever. Anyone see him sky and break up the pass on D. Bryant in the endzone? That’s a 50/50 ball against a guy that’s not only bigger, stronger, etc, but also a great leaper.

    I realize he gave up the long pass to T. Williams, but Smart Football’s Chris Brown said on Twitter he thought there was a chance N. Allen was supposed to have deep coverage; could have been possible that Allen was doubling up Bryant, though, and that Boykin just gave up a catch. Regardless, it’s not the end of the world, he’s still the best CB on our team.

    • bentheimmigrant

      I’ll be disappointed if it doesn’t happen over the summer. I understand BD bringing him on slow, and it’s hard to argue with the results. But on two wr downs it could really help us.

      • JofreyRice

        Yeah, honestly, I just want him on the field more, somehow, someway. Good things happen. Whether it’s outside, or in a rover role, he should be on the field more often than the bench.

        • EaglePete

          ya I totally agree but you also cant argue at his production in the slot. Maybe D suffers more if hes not there, all parts making team better stuff

        • Token

          They will have a entire offseason to figure it out. No more excuses. I dont believe you stunt the growth of a guy like Boykin. You give him the opportunity to flourish. Playing him inside, especially so little is wasting valuable games of experience.

          I understand it for this year. But next year shouldnt be the same. Cut bait with Cary, find a new corner for the inside, whatever. I just feel you gotta give him his shot. Its not like hes sitting behind worldbeaters.

          I think we agree that a big corner doesnt really matter. I said earlier we all want big corners. But in this scheme it doesnt matter. Davis rarely plays press outside. I dont worry much about Boykins size otherwise. He has the ball skills and leaping ability to contest balls with most WRs.

    • Maggie

      Besides wanting him to master one position at a time, perhaps Davis doesn’t really have someone else to play the position as well? At least there are a couple of decent corners right now, while everyone complains at the lack of safeties, or nickel coverage.

  • devCal

    “Every year, until all of them are out of the league,” ha, nice…

  • Cyrus Robinson

    I’ve always believed it is better to keep Boykin in the slot as well. Remember Reid’s “I need to put players in a better position to make plays” quotes? Billy Davis doesn’t need to say that, because Boykin is in his ideal position. He’s small, fast, alert, and jumps like a grasshopper, which makes him ideal to play near the middle of the field where he can get lost in all the jumble and make a huge play. Boykin can succeed on the outside, but he can also fail more often on the outside. I think that’s almost like moving an all-pro guard out to tackle. He can probably do a good job, but he’s great at what he does so keep him there.

  • Loke1988

    What a great girl he has. Behind every great man they say…