Philly Attorney Theodore Simon on Amanda Knox, Ira Einhorn and Decriminalizing Weed

Simon Van Zuylen-Wood talks with the Philadelphia attorney and president-elect of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

Photograph by Gene Smirnov

Photograph by Gene Smirnov

This month, you brought the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers to Philly for its annual meeting. Do you guys have more fun than the National Association of Prosecuting Attorneys?
[Silence.]

It’s a joke.
The only way I can answer that is to be candid.




Be candid.
Without a doubt, criminal defense lawyers are liberty’s last champion. You know, we protect the rights of the citizen accused individually, and in so doing we protect and preserve the constitutional rights of everyone.

Indeed. You once represented an unborn fetus to rescue a woman from having to testify before a grand jury.
In that one, a woman had appeared in front of a grand jury, and the prosecution thought she lied and offered her immunity to testify again. So that gives the client the cruel trilemma: If she comes back and says something different, she potentially faces perjury; if she doesn’t want to testify, she faces contempt; or she will get prosecuted. So the lawyers came to me for help in what seemed to be an impossible situation. We were able to get medical reports that the stress the mother-to-be was under was detrimental to the well-being and health of the unborn fetus. The case was also in a conservative area, and I assumed the judge would be a right-to-lifer.

Very creative.
I mean, one of my strong points is creativity.

Is there a defendant you wouldn’t represent? To use a local example: Would you have represented Kermit Gosnell?
I don’t have a litmus test. My decision to represent or not represent is not all based on the unpopular nature of the case or the client. Let’s not forget: I represented [Philly hippie and convicted murderer] Ira Einhorn.

Your defense of Einhorn dealt more with his extradition from France than his guilt. Still, did that case test your conscience?
No, it didn’t. And I think that goes to the whole aspect of today’s media impact on high-profile cases. Even your very question implies: “Well, wait a minute — is there something too horrific about the nature of the client?” Why shouldn’t we be looking at the most critical, venerated principles of criminal law? Why are you not asking me, “How does the presumption of innocence or the burden of proof affect this case?”

Speaking of high-profile cases, the Amanda Knox trial is still going on. I thought she had been acquitted by an Italian judge.
I got involved after her initial conviction at the end of ’09. On her appellate trial, she was actually found innocent. Thereafter, the prosecution appealed to the country’s Supreme Court and had her innocent verdict reversed. She went back for a new appellate court trial, where she was convicted. And now, it’s back on appeal.

Is this trial ever going to end?
There’s only one thing that is consistent about this particular case: There’s a compelling and profound absence of evidence. It’s a nightmare that should end, and it’s completely and wholly unjust.

You’ve represented drug kingpins. Should we decriminalize pot?
Absolutely. It’s totally obvious. I think it’s going to spread well beyond the Colorado experience, to the point where I think we’ll probably have Big Tobacco taking over the field. And it’ll be packaged and provided in stores one day.

In that case, you’d lose a lot of business.
I’d be happy.

Originally published in the August 2014 issue of Philadelphia magazine.

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  • DiaKristy

    Sorry to say it probably won’t help Amanda that her lawyer wants to decriminalize pot but then, there is no such thing as Italian justice so what difference does it make? When will the Italian people rise up and demand an Italian Spring??? What happened and is continuing to happen to Amanda is shocking, horrible and terrifying for any American citizen. But this happens everyday to Italians in Italy. (like Raffaele) WHY do they put up with it? HOW can anyone live like that? Constantly under the whims of the biggest bullies? RISE UP!!!

    • SantaBelle

      Italy has done a stirling job of ensuring Knox and Sollecito will spend a good long time behind bars. Hard evidence alone proves that they both tortured Meredith to death and the unsubstantiated claims of contamination and corruption are nothing other than slanderous BS.

      The Italians deserve a medal! In fact, Americans should thank them for being prepared to take Knox off their hands. At the very least, America should pay for Knox’s food and her spot on the sex offenders wing!

      Roll on extradition day!!!

      • DiaKristy

        you are an idiot

      • 4lowtcash

        Please provide your credentials for speaking as an expert in the “evidence” in this case. Oh right, you don’t have any do you. Priceless.

        • corpus vile

          Well she knows the evidence phase is over and not up for discussion by the court.

        • Bill Morrison

          Nice try, idiot. Non-experts serve on juries, view and evaluate evidence, and decide on criminal cases every day all over the world. Amanda Knox is guilty, on the evidence. What´s your point?

    • corpus vile

      You wish for a revolution in an EU constitutional republic because its court gave a verdict you disagree with? Wow.

      • Fredly

        I look forward to the European Court of Human Rights throwing this crap out.

        • corpus vile

          How will it meet the ECHR’s criteria, especially as they don’t overturn convictions?

          • Fredly

            They throw them out. There is precedent for them throwing a conviction out because a foreign citizen was denied an attorney. The failure of the Italian courts to allow them to question their accuser is another basic violation of their rights. It is against Italian and European law and the American Constitution.

          • corpus vile

            No they’ll see if any of Knox’s rights were violated. Knox herself said her trial was fair & her rights were respected. She didn’t complain to visiting US consulate dignitaries of her rights being violated and again the ECHR do not overturn or quash or throw out convictions. If you visit their web site you’ll see this.

            No, again Knox & Sollecito were already being represented in their own trial and their accusers were the prosecution anyway. It’s already been explained to you that Guede only testified to refute the testimony of Alessi & Aviello and that Hellman’s court was annulled anyway, therefore anything that happened in his court is legally void, so wouldn’t be an issue anyway.

          • Fredly
          • corpus vile

            Which ones? That article doesn’t really list any and most of it is rehashing irrelevancies at this point of their process such as evidence.
            It complains of a non speedy trial for example
            How is a long multi stage trial such as in the Italian system an unfair one as such, when this could simply equate to thoroughness, giving the defendant ample time to have a good defence?
            You do realise the defence were invited to view Stefanoni’s testing as it happened right? That’s a right that doesn’t exist in the US or UK or my country and probably many others.
            What are “basic human rights” denied for example? Why doesn’t the piece elaborate?
            That’s a pretty weak article, I gotta say.
            The fact that it’s going over evidence as if the ECHR will even view it strikes as being just as misinformed as Theodore Simon, probably more so.
            It’s basically clutching at straws and weak ones at that.

          • Fredly

            Here is an interesting post from pmop57 from the Injustice Anywhere forum –

            Order: At the end you have to issue a guilty verdict

            Mignini is the architect of the case against Amanda and Raffaele. He designed this case to frame two innocent students.
            Judge Paolo Micheli intervened two times in the case. He completely messed up the case during his second intervention by not only judging RG but also AK&RS.
            First time in his function as the pre-trial judge : he declared the findings of the Prosecution sufficient to trie the case against RG and AK&RS in Court (trial phase).
            Second time : as RG opted for the fast-track trial (skipping the trial phase). The fast-track option is mainly a voluntary abandon of several important rights of the defendant RG (cross-examination, …). It is mainly an acceptance of the pre-trial findings (the Prosecution case). Judge Paolo Micheli judged RG basing on the pre-trial findings in total correlation with the findings of the Prosecution (as mentioned before).
            AK&RS have not been part of the trials against RG!
            But Judge Paolo Micheli did not limit himself to validate the findings against RG, he also validated all the evidence introduced by the Prosecution against AK&RS so clearly violating all the human rights of them to an own, fair, neutral and unbiased trial and by doing so largely prejudging and prejudicing both defendants.
            Among others, he decided and ruled, that RG did not act lone but together with AK&RS, that RG and AK&RS did associate to commit a crime (premeditation), that AK assured the access to the cottage, that AK did carry the knife to the cottage, that AK&RS did stage the break-in, that they did modify the crime scene (by moving and undressing MK), that they did proceed to a clean-up of their traces at the crime scene, he validated without any challenging all the findings by the forensic Police (Stefanoni), he validated the modifications of the timeline of the death of MK, he validated without possible contest all the statements of the witnesses, … !
            THIS SHOWS CLEARLY THAT AK&RK HAVE BEEN DECLARED GUILTY OF HAVING PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN THE KILLING OF MK BY AN ITALIAN COURT IN A PUBLIC TRIAL WITHOUT EVEN HAVING BEEN PART OF THE TRIAL, WITHOUT BEING PRESENT OR PRESENTED IN THE TRIAL, WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO EXERCE THEIR FUNDAMENTAL LEGAL RIGHTS. THIS TRIAL CAUSED IRREPARABLE AND IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE TO THE TWO DEFENDANTS. ALL THE EVIDENCE VALIDATED IN THIS TRIAL SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISMISSED AND DECLARED UNUSABLE IN ALL THE FUTURE TRIALS AGAINST THE TWO DEFENDANTS. THE MORE EVEN THAT AN APPEAL COURT AND THE ITALIAN SUPREME COURT VALIDATED THESE CONDEMNING AND PREJUDICING FINDINGS AGAINST THE TWO DEFENDANTS THUS RENDERING IMPOSSIBLE ANY FUTURE FAIR, NEUTRAL, UNBIASED AND LEGALLY FOUNDED TRIAL IN A COURT OF LAW!

            The acquisition of the Guede ruling violates the Constitution
            By introducing in the present proceedings the definitive ruling against Rudy Guede, the elements on which it is based have themselves being introduced, albeit indirectly in the trial against Knox and Sollecito.
            Such elements enter the trial against Knox and Sollecito as the product of a proceeding where they were not represented. In other words, such evidence was “formed” without their lawyers being able to participate in such “formation” representing their interests.
            This goes against article 111 of the Italian Constitution [and also against the Sixth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States].
            Besides all that, some elements “imported” in this trial from Guede’s are moreover using in contradiction with evidence found during these proceedings.

          • corpus vile

            P-mop should represent the defendants at their final appeal so, if he feels that strongly about it, or better yet their defence should adopt his arguments if they feel said arguments are valid.

        • Bill Morrison

          Hey, if wishful thinking keeps you warm at night, that´s okay with me.

      • DiaKristy

        More than half of the people in jail in Italy will EVENTUALLY be released for lack of evidence. Do you think they should be proud of their system or should continue to be afraid of it?

        • corpus vile

          Are you condemning the Italian system for being pro defendant? People are remanded in custody without bail and then released due to lack of evidence all the time in other countries, OJ Simpson & Casey Anthony to give two examples.
          I’m not sure what your point is here actually.

          • DiaKristy

            The point is they should have never been arrested in the first place. Italy keeps people wrongfully jailed for years without even charging them. Amanda wasn’t even arrested. They told her they were keeping her ‘in protective custody’. Her roommate was just murdered. She thought they were helping her!

          • corpus vile

            Why shouldn’t they have been arrested in the first place? On what grounds? Again people are remanded in custody without bail and then acquitted in every free nation, so you appear to be complaining about this aspect of the system of free nations in general. Picking this aspect to apply it selectively to Italy isn’t a valid objection or argument.

    • 4lowtcash

      They are right about the excessive media involvemen, in this case it has been reprehensible from the outset. Too many qualified experts, who have viewed the evidence, know AK and RS should never have been convicted. Dr. Peter Gill is a highly qualified UK professional, but he is ignored. M. Cherif Bassiouni is the ultimate expert in the US/Italy extradition treaty, he literally wrote the book on it, yet they choose to ignore his statements about his case. It wouldn’t matter how many experts testified to what Mr Simon has said here, there are those who just can’t accept it.

      • corpus vile

        Why didn’t said experts testify at their trial and why didn’t the defence retain them so?

  • pigal

    There’s a compelling and profound absence of evidence. It’s a nightmare that should end, and it’s completely and wholly unjust. Another one of Knox’s shrills who has never bothered to read the documents. Alan Dershowitz, who has read the papers, says absolutely the opposite.

    • DiaKristy

      AD is a money-hungry fool

      • SR Bach

        Whereas…Ted Simon took on Knox’s cause, pro bono? Is that what you think?
        LOL!

      • bucketoftea

        Fredly and DiaK are just fools.

    • corpus vile

      Indeed & the regurgitation of this tired old & long refuted mantra is pretty sad at this stage.

    • Fredly

      Dershowitz is an ambulance chasing fool.

    • 4lowtcash

      Did you even read the article? He actually worked on the case, of course he saw the evidence.

      • SantaBelle

        You are a joke. The ONLY people privy to the 10,000 pages of evidence and the 30 expert reports were the Italian judges! Dershowitz is an embarrassment; he has no more say in this case than you do, which is zero!

        • Fredly

          We agree on Dershowitz.

    • Laramie F.

      You mean the court documents that also include the defenses arguments that she’s innocent? Another completely empty statement from the sad little group of people that somehow find some comfort in these message boards. Defending someone you think is wrongly accused is a natural, altruistic impulse. Crucifying someone who has already been crucified is just sadistic.

  • http://www.truejustice.org/ Antonio Curatolo

    #MeredithKercher case: #AmandaKnox lawyer Ted Simon b4 & after being hired.

    Then: http://t.co/tfP8R2FN3d
    Now: http://t.co/bmCNIPEnr2

    • DiaKristy

      Before and after being convinced of the TRUTH! This is very helpful to hear both of these clips. Thank you for posting this! Media people drag people out experts for their opinions as soon as they can! Steve Moore initially thought she must be guilty too. The one thing that has really changed is that we have all learned that guilty or innocent is NOT exactly the same in the US and Italy, especially when Italy has so much to HIDE! Bless the interviewer for pointing out there were already problems with Magnini, even back in 2008!

      • corpus vile

        What has Italy got to hide?

        • Fredly

          Wanton destruction of evidence, failure to supply a foreign citizen who did not speak the language with an attorney, failure to allow the accused to cross examine their accuser, etc.

          • corpus vile

            Hey Fred, nice to see you again.
            What wanton destruction of evidence occurred?
            How do you know Knox didn’t speak Italian when she sent a text in Italian and several texts to associates in Italian and worked in a job where she spoke Italian, and was able to give Raffaele directions while he was calling the emergency services in Italian?
            .Guede was only present in Hellman’s court to refute the allegations made by Allessi & Aviello and Hellman’s court was annulled so anything that happened in it is legally void, so it’s irrelevant.

          • Fredly

            I know her Italian was crude because she had only lived there for a month. That’s why she said, “See you later. Good Evening” which the Keystone Cops thought was an appointment for murder. The evidence destruction is the bra clap, the closed circuit security videos, and the computer hard drives. Guede was the one who came up with the money argument motive, which was used in the third trial’s findings. Knox and Sollecito’s attorneys were not allowed to cross examine him.

          • corpus vile

            So now you concede she did speak Italian well enough to hold a conversation and send text messages in Italian. Cool.
            She had the assistance of interpreters anyway.

            How is the bra clasp evidence of destruction?
            Clones were given to the defence re the hard drives and no human interaction took place. Soll says he was sending emails yet nobody has come forward to confirm this and emails can be accessed via other outlets anyway. I can access my emails in work for example, despite my computer in work having a different hard drive. Nothing wrong with the CCTV footage as the defence’s argument wasn’t accepted.

            Proof of motive isn’t required in a court of law.
            Knox & Sollecito were being represented by their own counsel in their own trial. No representative of Guede’s was there either and didn’t question either Knox or Sollecito.

            Your objections are baseless, irrelevant and not valid, sorry.

          • Fredly

            Boy, you sure are trusting of the police. If you were a defense attorney wouldn’t you want to see the security videos with your own eyes? Why the rush of the police to erase them? Is it really possible to “accidentally” fry 3 separate hard drives? The bra clasp rusted from the way they stored it and can never be re-tested. Try selling that in an American courtroom.

            The motive was used in part to convict them, along with the illegal statement. In fact Nencini references both the 1:45 and the 5:45 statements in his findings. How do you base part of your conviction on an inadmissible statement? The motive used was not argued by the prosecutor of the third trial. The judge lifted it from the fast track trial and used it to persuade the jury to convict. This is a basic violation of due process. A court has to allow the accused to question evidence used to convict them. The third trial factually agreed with Guede’s testimony. These are not small violations, they are egregious.

          • corpus vile

            Police are fallible like anyone else. I don’t see them as having screwed up here. The police didn’t erase any tapes either. It’s already been explained to you that clones were given and emails can be accessed from anywhere which is what Raffaele said he was doing. Her sponataneous declaration was of course admissible, why else do you think cops say you have the right to remain silent before arresting someone?
            Again proof of motive isn’t required. Please read my posts as I don’t like repeating myself constantly as it effectively spams up discussions.
            The defence were allowed to question evidence against the accused, they were invited to Stefanoni’s lab to view her testing one piece of evidence, for example & the defendants were represented by their counsel and the evidence was so overwhelming that the defence couldn’t convince the jury of innocence or even establish reasonable doubt and this in a court which is pro defendant.
            If they’re so egregious then their defence should feel confident pursuing such matters on their final appeal.

          • Fredly

            It gives the prosecution an enormous advantage to only have their hand picked expert do the testing. The independent experts at the second trial all rejected it as scientifically valid. What motivation would they have to lie? You ask me to believe in the Italian system, but why should I believe a pro prosecution expert over the independent ones? Assuming the independent experts are rejected by the Supreme Court, then why not bring in new independent experts for the third trial? The fact that you think the destruction of the bra clasp, 2 security videos and 3 computer hard drives is irrelevant just speaks to your confirmation bias.

          • corpus vile

            She didn’t have a second trial. She’s only had one trial and an appeal which doesn’t equate to a second trial. You’re again citing an annulled appellate court’s verdict as if it has any relevance. It doesn’t nor does anything that took part in it, including the very suspect testimony of the so called independent experts who tried to attack the science instead of the evidence,, cited “international standards” when none exist as protocols vary and seemed to use a bunch of obscure midwest US police manuals to bolster their claims. They also thought a hypothesised “anything’s possible” was a valid reason to conclude contamination & then admitted under cross examination under Commodi that contamination couldn’t have occurred. They were also hostile on the stand, were rude to Stefanoni, had screwed up at least one case beforehand, couldn’t use the dna testing equipment properly, were criticized for keeping their fridge for samples at a substandard level & as if this weren’t enough, were seen hugging the defendant’s lawyers and later spotted chatting away with them over dinner.
            So I wouldn’t put much credence in their capability or independence, and it’s irrelevant anyway as yet again Hellman’s appellate court was annulled & I’m not discussing an annulled court as we’ve already done so and to rehash something already covered is fruitless.

          • Fredly

            A judge declared her not guilty and sent her home for several years and a higher court overturned the not guilty verdict. That is double jeopardy to anyone with a triple digit IQ.

            You are telling me that the independent experts were crooked and incompetent yet you also tell me I should have blind faith in Italian jurisprudence. It seems that you are happy with anything that results in a conviction.

            I can assure you that a finding of 6 picograms by someone who has never used the machine before does not meet international standards. I can assure you that passing a bra clasp back and forth without changing gloves does not meet international standards. It does not meet the standards of a first year cop.

          • corpus vile

            Okay Fred, we’ll see who’s proven right eventually. It’s impossible to have a reasonable rational discussion with Amanda Knox supporters.

            You simply refuse to believe she’s guilty and come out with all sorts of baseless illogical crap to cling to this belief. So again we’ll see who’s proven right in the end.

          • DAdams

            Sorry dude, you are the only person in that discussion with baseless illogical crap. I follow Fredly’s logic because it is the clearest and cleanest path to a conclusion. You have muddied the waters with yours.

          • SantaBelle

            Liar. Her cell phone records prove otherwise. She knew full well how to buy coke and how to pick up Italian pub drop outs. She was getting by just fine!

          • Fredly

            She never used cocaine in Italy. The drug tested her hair and she tested negative.

          • lodgey37

            what the hell you babbling bollox for. this girl is innocent. and yes we will see whos right.

          • AC Tesla

            Amanda had been in Italy for precisely 42 days before Meredith';s murder. Her Italian was rudimentary at best. Raffaele’s English was much better at that time than Amanda’s Italian. Amanda was there to learn the language. That Amanda had written some short texts in Italian are not surprising. This does not mean that her comprehension would have been on a level to fully understand what was taking place in the interrogation room.

          • SantaBelle

            BS!

        • DiaKristy

          They kept letting Rudy go free and never arrested him for his petty crimes because they felt sorry for him. After Rudy killed Meredith and assaulted her, Magnini looked to blame the crime on an American because he didn’t want to face it that the killer was one of their own: an abused kid who grew up right in Perugia. He REALLY didn’t want to face the fact that if Rudy were in jail like he should have been, Meredith would never have been killed and she would still be alive today. MOST OF ALL, Magnini, Perugia and Italy don’t want to face the fact that they all owe the Kercher family lots of $$$ for Meredith’s wrongful death.

          PERHAPS they are protecting the wealthy millionaire who adopted disturbed Rudy and then kicked him out of the house without a penny in his pocket and no survival skills.

          • corpus vile

            No, they simply didn’t keep him in custody until his trial, as several police forces don’t do throughout the world. You have no insight into their mindset so have no way of knowing whether they felt sorry for him or not. Broadly speaking, Guede was released on the equivalent of police bail, like would happen in the UK or my country for example.

            No, Mignini was simply one of several prosecutors, Sollecito is Italian & was convicted.

            Are you saying that this is a flat out conspiracy? How many took part and what was the precise motive? You’ve given several is all. What proof do you have of this conspiracy?

          • DiaKristy

            read more

          • corpus vile

            No really what proof do you have of this conspiracy & how many took part in it?

          • Fredly

            You do realize that Nencini referred to Guede as an “experienced burglar”? There are legitimate questions as to why this man was never charged with anything.

          • corpus vile

            This has nothing to do with the mountain of forensic, circumstantial & behavioral evidence that convicted the defendants.

          • Sol

            “you have no insight into their mindset so have no way of knowing whether they felt sorry for him or not.”

            I agree completely. But since you are active in this debate, you need to apply this to all the wild speculation even on your side.

          • corpus vile

            Speculation regarding what? In regards to Meredith’s murder, my opinion of all three killers’ guilt is based on the evidence and reading the court docs, as many if not all those who share the same opinion have done, so I’m honestly not sure what you mean here,

            Regarding extradition or anything else, speculation is going to happen but is ultimately moot as she either will be or won’t be. I happen to think she will be. It has no bearing on their convictions.

            Those who think Knox is innocent tend to engage in baseless speculation from what I’ve seen. The comments on this very thread are alleging corruption and outright conspiracy theories but can’t offer up anything valid to support this. As opposed to those who can back up their opinion with hard evidence and the fact that they’ve been convicted.

            So I don’t think your comparison is apt, with respect.

          • Sol

            No, Im referring to you compadres. Like that she is a Psychopath or Sociopath, Shes uses or ever used Cocaine, she lacks empathy, that she has the ability to get so enraged to kill anyone, or any negative emotion towards her or anyone really, etc. (Remember, what was originally a drug induced sex game gone wrong was changed to AK wanting to kill Meredith over an argument, that implies an emotional outburst of rage and hate which there should be a history of)

            This is all speculation that was made up by Guilters to support her reasons to kill Meridith, none of which has been proven or demonstrated in any reasonable way. All of which is rank speculation.

            Not a single Professional, friend or family member has come forward to demonstrate any form Psychiatric imbalance or anti-Social behavior, none. Yet in just about every single case of Murder of this nature, someone comes forward from their past recalling an episode of unusual nature. Again, no one has for either defendant. You don’t find that odd? Yet skim through either TMJK or PMF and just about every comment has some form of speculation about what drugs shes uses or her psychological condition or state of mind.

            So you see it goes both ways. When debating,You either allow wild speculation on everything you want, or you don’t allow any and just focus on hard evidence. You don’t get to pick and choose who gets to speculate.

          • corpus vile

            Such speculation regarding cocaine is based on a group of dealers being arrested via info found on her phone with a police report confirming this.
            Speculation that she has a personality disorder is based upon her conviction for a brutal & callous murder with sexual assault overtones.
            No, it wasn’t mooted as a sex game gone wrong but a sexual humiliation stemming from missing rent money, this is available in the court transcripts.
            It has been proven and demonstrated in a reasonable way, hence her conviction.
            Yet they were kept in custody until their trial even in pro defendant Italy. Their psyche evaluation hasn’t been made public but this is telling in itself.

            The speculation re innocence otoh engages in conspiracy theories, allegations of corruption, contamination and makes use of oddball hyperbole such as witches and Satanism and whatever else her supporters pull from thin air.
            Big difference there and again the comparison isn’t remotely apt.

          • Sol

            Don’t you see what you just did? You speculated on everything, yet you criticized kristy for doing the same.

            -Knowing someone who sells Cocaine does not mean she did it. She admitting to using THC. It more than likely that her THC source also sells other drugs. Claiming she does cocaine is pure speculation.

            -Your proof of a personality disorder is speculation as well. You are basing your assumption on her guilt of the crime. The conviction is not final or else Raffelle would be in jail. Thus, to look at this case in a Neutral light, you must assume innocence until proven guilty. Only using ‘Guilt for the crime’ that isn’t finalized as your proof is just simply not logical. You need proof outside of a Judges assessment to make a proper proper diagnoses and I have yet to see any Proven Psychologist come forward and declare her mentally ill.

            -“Their psyche evaluation hasn’t been made public but this is telling in itself.” are you serious!? You are deluding yourself if you believe that a a undisclosed Psyche report is damning. To the contrary, if she was found to be mentally unstable in a report, that could have been used in a multitude of ways by both the Prosecution or the defense. More than likely, it wasn’t disclosed because it is irrelevant or it isn’t supportive of anything of significance..

            -All your evidence is purely based on their conviction, yet you are arguing with people who believe in her innocence based on the lack of solid evidence. You need to do much better than that If you have any hope of convincing anyone that you are Judging this case based on Logic and not on emotion.

            -But I must say, My discussion with will now terminate forever because the case for their innocence is compelling and reasonable, Yet you discard it with a simple wave of the hand.

            My reasons for her innocence are from personal experiences in dealing with Corruption, so its hard for me to believe anything said from anyone at face value. I need real evidence, and if something comes up, I will have no problem believing in her guilt. I know for sure I have the ability to change my mind. As a matter of fact, I changed my mind on this case as at first I believed they were guilty. Can you?

          • corpus vile

            Nope I said that any speculation from those who agree with the court’s verdict is based on fact. Unlike those who think she’s innocent. If you can’t see the difference then okay. You can’t see the difference.

          • DAdams

            Nice try. These guilters are full time trolls. They only need to spew the same nonsense over and over. Trying to read their crap reminds me of someone scratching their fingernails on a chalkboard.

          • DAdams

            Here you are again. Apparently working your full time job.

          • SR Bach

            DiaKristy:

            For someone who appears to be very poorly acquainted with the actual facts, you certainly DO like to speculate, imagine and invent scenarios about what makes people do what they do! Again, all done– without knowing the facts of this case.

            You don’t even seem to be aware that Raffaele Sollecito, is an ITALIAN citizen and was convicted along with “the American.”

            Your assertion that Rudy wasn’t arrested because “They” (who are THEY?) “felt sorry for him” is downright laughable!

            WHEN do you think Amanda Knox will fork over the money she owes Patrick Lumumba, by law?

            DID YOU KNOW…
            Amanda Knox falsely accused an innocent black man (her boss) of brutally raping and murdering Meredith. She told her little fictional tale to the police, just to get the police off her back. And possibly, as a form of retaliation against Lumumba. She had been repeatedly reprimanded for poor performance, and Lumumba had been interested in hiring Meredith at his bar.

            AMANDA KNOX NEVER RETRACTED her lie, forcing Lumumba to languish in prison for two weeks–until a witness came forward to provide an alibi for Lumumba on the night of the murder And yet, Amanda Knox called Lumumba her “friend.”

            Although the court sided with Lumumba and he was awarded damages for defamation…KNOX HAS NEVER GIVEN HIM A PENNY. Knox raked in over $4 million (according to news reports) from her book deal, but didn’t even want to part with a few thousand dollars–a token, considering she tried to ruin a man’s life and reputation.

            It seems Knox can not and will not ever take responsibility for anything she does wrong– up to and including murdering her so-called “good friend” Meredith Kercher.

            If the way Knox treats her friends is the way she treated her “friends” Patrick Lumumba and Meredith Kercher, I wouldn’t want to be Knox’s enemy!!!

          • Sol

          • SR Bach

            DiaKristy:

            Yes, that’s gotta be it…but wait, if what you say is true…why aren’t the Perugia police ALSO protecting another perp– the son of a wealthy influential ITALIAN urologist–one with connections? That would be Raffaele Sollecito! His father and his mother’s family were both wealthy and “connected!”

            Why didn’t Raffaele Sollecito’s family get him the help he needed–especially after Raffaele’s mother committed suicide, tragically–only two short years before Meredith’s murder?
            It might be the same reason Amanda Knox to this day refuses all psychological help, although she complained in a Chris Cuomo interview of suffering from some terrible psychological problems. (i.e., panic attacks so loud, NYC hotel security had to be called.)

            Why didn’t the Sollecito family intervene more when they learned Sollecito was having problems socially, and/or was arrested for narcotic drug use. Why didn’t they monitor him more, when they learned Sollecito collected violent Manga and watched bestiality porn? He was the one posted that creepy photo of himself dressed up like a mad surgeon, grasping a huge meat cleaver.

            This knife obsessed man wrote on his MySpace page that he wanted to have “extreme experiences.”

            If only Meredith Kercher had known…

          • DAdams

            Post much? LOL. You must have a twitch.

          • SR Bach

            DiaKristy:

            Yes, that’s gotta be it…but wait, if what you say
            is true…why aren’t the Perugia police ALSO protecting another perp–
            the son of a wealthy influential ITALIAN urologist–one with
            connections? That would be Raffaele Sollecito! His father and his
            mother’s family were both wealthy and “connected!”

            Why didn’t
            Raffaele Sollecito’s family get him the help he needed–especially after
            Raffaele’s mother committed suicide, tragically–only two short years
            before Meredith’s murder?
            It might be the same reason Amanda Knox to
            this day refuses all psychological help, although she complained in a
            Chris Cuomo interview of suffering from some terrible psychological
            problems. (i.e., panic attacks so loud, NYC hotel security had to be
            called.)

            Why didn’t the Sollecito family intervene more when they
            learned Sollecito was having problems socially, and/or was arrested for
            narcotic drug use. Why didn’t they monitor him more, when they learned
            Sollecito collected violent Manga and watched bestiality porn? He was
            the one posted that creepy photo of himself dressed up like a mad
            surgeon, grasping a huge meat cleaver.

            This knife obsessed man wrote on his MySpace page that he wanted to have “extreme experiences.”

            If only Meredith Kercher had known…

      • SR Bach

        Knox supporters really don’t seem to think very deeply. Nor do they read very carefully! No real knowledge and no critical thinking skills.

        Yet even with that level of superficiality and an impatience with getting the details right…and being ill-informed or uninformed… never stops them from making all kinds of wild (often xenophobic) comments, and expressing vehement opinions that really have NO basis in fact.

        As the quote goes” you are entitled to your own opinions, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts!”

        DIAKRISTY: Please provide evidence to support your assertion that
        “guilty or innocent is NOT exactly the same in the US and Italy, especially when Italy has so much to HIDE!”

        WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHAT IS “HIDDEN?” In Italy, it’s all out in the open. IN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL. Unlike in the USA, IN ITALY when an Italian court reaches its decision, you and I and anyone WILL ALWAYS KNOW HOW THE VERDICT WAS REACHED. WE CAN READ ABOUT IT– IN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL. A US jury is allowed by law to refuse to talk publicly about the case, or explain why the members reached the decision they did. In the US, jurors are permitted to keep that all “hidden.”

        That can never happen in Italy.
        By law, Italian judges are required to write up a document called Motivazioni in which they detail their reasoning and all the evidence that led to their decision and verdict. They have to produce this Motivazioni document, within 90 days of the verdict announcement. It of can be hundreds or even thousands of pages of reasoning and evidence detailed. IT IS NOT HIDDEN.

        The Massei Report has been translated into English. It explains why
        Knox and Sollecito were found guilty of multiple charges in their
        one and only criminal trial (the other processes were APPEAL HEARINGS, not trials.) Those who want an understanding of WHY Knox and Sollecito were found guilty should begin their research into this case with Judge Massei’s Motivazioni document.

        WARNING: It’s not a quick read. It’s not a quick video or sound bite.

        It’s several hundred pages long. But it will explain ALL the evidence which convicted Knox and Sollecito–for anyone who really wants to know the truth.

        P.S.
        Why do Knox supporters constantly misspell the victim’s name and the prosecutor’s name?

        The victim’s name is MEREDITH KERCHER.

        The prosecutor’s name is GIULIANO MIGNINI, NOT “MAGNINI.”

        MAGNINI is an Italian swimmer, who was two times 100 metres freestyle World champion and three times European champion.

        • DAdams

          What a dumbass.

      • harryrag

        Steve Moore has made numerous false claims about the Amanda Knox case in the media. Here are 10 of them:

        1. The large knife doesn’t match the large wound on Meredith’s neck.
        2. They want you to believe that Amanda Knox inflicted all three wounds on Meredith’s neck.
        3. Meredith had no defensive wounds on her hands.
        4. Rudy left his hair and fluid samples on Meredith’s body.
        5. Amanda and Raffaele didn’t step in blood and that can’t be avoided.
        6. None of the luminol prints or stains contained Meredith’s DNA.
        7. The prosecutor through fierce interrogation coerced Amanda into implicating someone else in the case.
        8. Amanda Knox wasn’t given food or drinks when she was questioned by the police.
        9. Amanda Knox was interrogated in Italian on 5 November 2007.
        10. Amanda Knox recanted her accusation against Diya Lumumba as soon as she got some food.

        • Fredly

          1. Why did Knox show up with the knife to begin with since the murder was spontaneous and not planned? Which is the second knife Sollecito’s or Guede’s?
          2. Interesting that no blood is on the blade of the kitchen knife yet we are to assume that 6 picograms of DNA is not from trace contamination.
          3. Why is there only Guede’s DNA on Kercher’s body?
          4. Why won’t they test the semen? Gude’s DNA is inide of Kercher.
          5. If they stepped in blood they would be present in the murder room.
          6. All of them tested negative for Kercher’s blood.
          7. Surely the interrogation was ruled inadmissible for a reason.
          8. I’m not sure on this one.
          9. Her interpreter told Knox that she would feel better if she confessed.
          10. She recanted the next morning. By implicating him she also put herself at the murder scene. Who would do that who hadn’t been broken down by the police?

    • Eric de Noorman

      Creative haha

    • KL

      LOL What a difference a big fat retainer makes!

      Ted = doosher

      • Whitey Bulger

        Ahhh, what do you do for money?

        • Dean Ambrose

          Hopefully it’s more honest work than what 2 Face Ted is doing!

          I don’t know how Ted can keep a straight face after pulling that wicked 180 in exchange for $$$

    • Charlotte Taylor Brown

      Lol you can clearly see and hear that the video has been edited. watch Mr Simons lips and the words coming out of his mouth!! It is someone else say those words not Mr Simon!! This video has been made by none other that mr Quennell himself aka the guy who set up hate site TJMK!!

    • Whitey Bulger

      Hey Tony, I thought yous was dead!

  • corpus vile

    Both were convicted on more evidence than Scott Peterson. Simon is clearly misinformed and hasn’t viewed the evidence. The evidence phase is over now anyway. Both are considered provisionally guilty by the court and their final appeal will only be argued on points of law.

    • Fredly

      Did they try and leave town like Scott Peterson?

      • corpus vile

        Point being they were convicted on more evidence than Peterson who’s facing the ultimate penalty. How come you’re not campaigning for him if you’re worried about convictions based on an absence of evidence?

        • 4lowtcash

          Legal experts in this case disagree with you. If you are qualified publish your opinion in an article, if not, give it up.

          • corpus vile

            Why, when I can give my opinion here, Meredith’s three killers were convicted and they’re not being tried on the internet or in the court of public opinion?
            This is an internet discussion and will have zero impact with the court of Cassation and zero impact on extradition if their convictions are finalized and a request is made. (and it will be btw)
            So I’m comfortable giving my opinion here and feel free to refute it.

        • Fredly

          I think he is more than likely guilty, but I believe the legal case against him is shaky. He did have a clear motive and he was planning to go on the lam. 2 things that are missing here.

          • corpus vile

            He was still convicted on less evidence and is facing execution. Point being, had Knox & Sollecito had have committed their crime in the US, they’d have been convicted also.
            It wouldn’t have mattered if Peterson had no clear motive, proof of motive isn’t required in a court of law.
            People commit murder all the time and don’t go on the lam and get convicted too.

          • Jim Jones

            > He did have a clear motive and he was planning to go on the lam.

            Neither of these is true. He had a powerful motive to have her live to collect her inheritance, and he had already been to Mexico – and he had returned.

          • Fredly

            He had a motive to be with Amber and he and a disguise.

          • Jim Jones

            He had been trying to dump Frey before his wife was abducted. It was his bad luck that Frey was such a tar baby.

            As for his ‘disguise’, don’t make me laugh. Idiots on TV and radio had sicked even more stupid idiots on him, making it almost impossible for him to live anywhere. His efforts don’t come near those of Britney Spears who shaved both her head and her nether regions, and she wanted publicity!

          • Fredly

            I agree the case isn’t great, but I think the theory was that Peterson wanted to kill his wife because she was pregnant.

          • Jim Jones

            I can make a better case that Frey killed her (as Stephanie Lazarus killed Sherri Rasmussen) or that her mother’s boyfriend did it, or one of his sons.

            Laci Peterson was 32 weeks 1 day pregnant when abducted. The baby was full term (40 weeks) when found. No one can explain that away in any way that involves her husband.

    • 4lowtcash

      Did you even read this before you posted? This qualified attorney, who has also worked on intl. extradition cases actually worked on THIS case since 2009. How could he not have viewed the evidence. He is just one of many experts who have viewed the evidence and is a credentialed legal expert, which you clearly are not. You are beyond ridiculous.

      • corpus vile

        It doesn’t matter what he says if he hasn’t bothered reading the relevant documents. He hasn’t viewed the relevant docs as he says there’s an absence of evidence which is patently untrue.

        Yes I’ve read what I’ve posted and stand by my comments.

      • katzk

        This attorney is a liar and Knox is going back to prison where she belongs.

        • SR Bach

          Ted Simon did NOT think Knox was innocent when he FIRST discussed his feelings about this case on a “Dateline” segment devoted to the story behind Meredith Kercher’s murder.

          Of course, THAT Ted Simon TV appearance was before the Knox family hired him as a paid spokesperson for Knox’s innocence.

          Since being on the Knox payroll, Simon has done a remarkable 180 degree turn.

  • katzk

    Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were found guilty in the first trial. There is a mountain of evidence. Stop lying.

    • 4lowtcash

      So all the qualified legal experts who have concluded and testified there is no evidence to support a guilty verdict are liars? All of them? And you are qualified how?

      • corpus vile

        The ones who testified didn’t have their arguments accepted.
        It’s ultimately irrelevant what the experts who didn’t testify said as said experts could have various motives for doing so, such as seeking future defence expert witness assignments to further their careers for example.

    • Laramie F.

      And maybe if you’d kept up on the case, you’d know she was found innocent in her second trial. That suggests that maybe there’s no actually a mountain of evidence?

      • corpus vile

        She didn’t have a second trial, so it’s you who needs to keep up. This has already been covered.

  • http://michellesings1.blogspot.com/ Michelle Moore

    Great article. Re: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case. Indeed, there’s NOTHNG at all but a mountain of “joke” and a mountain (a huge one in fact) of lies by a really obvious corrupt Prosecutor. Thanks for commenting on the case.

    • corpus vile

      Why did you attack Raffaele Sollecito, accuse him of committing “evil” acts and say you were no longer supporting him on twitter recently Michelle?
      Why has your husband written a critique of Raffaele in his g-man blog?

      Which prosecutor are you referring to? There were actually several, some of whom weren’t present at their appeal.

    • 4lowtcash

      It doesn’t seem to matter how many qualified experts speak up about the wrongful convictions in this case, the armchair pundits will always think they know best. The problem is, it doesn’t seem to stop there, they maliciously fake twitter accounts and posts and then pretend it was all just good fun. You can’t deal with insanity. Thanks for your efforts, I am sure AK and RS appreciate it.

      • corpus vile

        Actually qualified experts who didn’t testify are ultimately also armchair pundits, just like anyone else.

        • 4lowtcash

          An armchair pundit is not a qualified expert. It is for example, someone who reads Carl Jung’s “Synchronicity” and then posts online as if they were a qualified psychologist. Perhaps you haven’t come across this terminology.

          • corpus vile

            A qualified expert’s opinion is neither here nor there unless said expert is testifying. A qualified expert for the defence has much more of an agenda than say, an independent expert.
            A qualified expert who doesn’t testify at the trial but may wish to testify at a later trial, can say all sorts of things while on the sidelines just for attention (or if retained, I’m looking at you Simon) & not all qualified experts have their theories or experiments peer reviewed.
            So I stand by my comment on them being armchair pundits ultimately, just like us, albeit more knowledgeable by default than most of us in regard to their field, but that means nothing if they have an agenda.

    • SR Bach

      Michelle Moore:

      You have previously described yourself and your husband as friends and passionate supporters of both Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.

      I was wondering if you could clarify what you meant by a series of tweets you sent out yesterday. To me, they seem to indicate a major shift had taken place in your apparently close relationship with Raffaele Sollecito.

      You indicated you were very upset, even “heartbroken” by something Raffaele Sollecito had done. You described it as something akin to a major betrayal of your trust. You mentioned that because of what he had done, that you were withdrawing your financial support.

      However, Raffaele Sollecito’s tweets back to you indicated that he didn’t know WHAT you were referring to.

      Could you enlighten us, if only to clarify your current position?

      Thanks.

      I will copy the Corpus Vile questions, so that you don’t miss them.

      Corpus Vile asked:

      Why did you attack Raffaele Sollecito, accuse him of committing
      “evil” acts and say you were no longer supporting him on twitter
      recently Michelle?
      Why has your husband written a critique of Raffaele in his g-man blog?

      Which prosecutor are you referring to? There were actually several, some of whom weren’t present at their appeal.

    • SantaBelle

      Michelle, you are a laughing stock and no one takes a word you say seriously. Just thought I’d do you the service of letting you know. Ta ra.

    • Bill Morrison

      Michelle, considering that everything you write here is false, just what is it that makes you a credible commentator on this case?

    • Chief Inspector EG

      Michelle,

      Love Amanda all you want. Believe in her all you want. Worship her to your heart’s content. You have the right to do that. But you don’t have the right to attack members of the Kercher family as you’ve been doing.

  • SR Bach

    I think Amanda Knox is the perfect client for someone like Ted Simon.

    Ted Simon says he doesn’t want us to forget that [he] “represented [Philly hippie and convicted murderer] Ira Einhorn.”

    FYI, Ira Einhorn, is just ANOTHER American narcissistic psychopath client of Ted Simon’s. The more disturbed the client, the better. The more guilty, the more exciting the challenge for Ted.

    His notorious client, Einhorn, like, Knox, murdered a beautiful young, beloved woman, (in Einhorn’s case it was his ex-girlfriend), Holly Maddux.

    Einhorn was a counter-culture legend, back in his day. He rubbed shoulders with VIP’s and had earned the admiration of many influential people, long before he murdered Holly Maddux. Einhorn was semi-famous and had a popular following. Many people who knew him had a very hard time believing he could EVER be guilty of something so…well, really ANYTHING violent. Like Knox, he was known as a peace and love person–a… HIPPY!

    Like Knox claiming Meredith Kercher was her good “friend.” Einhorn claimed he always “loved” Holly. Holly Maddux’s devoted sisters begged to differ. Holly kept giving volatile Einhorn second chances.

    Then, one day, Einhorn beat Holly Maddux to death, in Einhorn’s apartment.

    Einhorn took Holly’s corpse and then stuffed it into a locked trunk, which he kept in a closet in his apartment.

    Holly’s decomposing body remained in Einhorn’s apartment for about 18 months. The stench became unbearable for his neighbors. Finally, summoned by the neighbors’ mounting complaints, police arrived on the scene and located Holly’s remains in Einhorn’s apartment.

    Einhorn subsequently found a sneaky way to beat the system for a while, and fled to Europe. But he was convicted –25 years later– for her murder in 2002.

    Despite Simon’s best efforts, he failed. Einhorn WAS EXTRADITED to the US and
    and is now serving a LIFE SENTENCE.

    Let this be a lesson to Knox and Knife Boy. Even the highest-paid attorneys and the millions of dollars paid to the (Marriott )PR firm (to try to convince the public and media of Knox’s “innocence”) can’t perform miracles when you are a remorseless killer with a substantial amount of evidence against you. Eventually, Knox’s evil acts will catch up with her, just as they eventually caught up with Einhorn.

    In spite of Ted Simon’s best efforts.

    Holly Maddux and Meredith Kercher both had the tragic misfortune of meeting and trusting two cold-blooded, lying, narcissistic psychopathic murderers. May both Holly and Meredith rest in peace and may their respective families be comforted by the memory of these two beautiful women, who will never be forgotten.

    Meredith’s family can take heart. The long-suffering Kercher family will forever live their lives as a family of a murder victim. Nothing can change that. But may it be a comfort to the Kercher family to know that justice for Meredith is coming soon.

  • Oliver

    Knox is an absolute idiot and she brought on a lot of the suspicion that surrounds her. She is (sadly) a representation of typical Americans her age and that does not make her well-liked by Italians. As an Italian resident, I can tell you there’s no comparison between US law and Italian law. Magnini has a long history of bungling cases and he’s like a pit bull – he never lets go of his theories, no matter how flimsy they are. Just read “The Monster of Florence,” a book about a serial killer who murdered over two decades. Magnini jailed everyone in Italy for that crime, and even ended up jailing the American journalist who wrote the damn book! Magnini is an absolute whack job with enough power to never be censured for his idiocy…a common problem in Italy. Another thing you learn when living in Italy…when a crime is committed, it’s always an American, a Norwegian, a gypsy…but NEVER an Italian!

    • SR Bach

      Oliver:

      As an Italian resident, you should know the difference between the chief prosecutor in this murder case and Italy’s swimming champion.

      FYI:
      Mignini = prosecutor
      Magnini = Italian swimming champion

      Secondly, I’m surprised that you’re not aware that one of the three convicted murderers of Meredith Kercher– hails from Puglia. He was born and raised in Italy. He’s ITALIAN! An Italian convicted murderer.

      Thirdly, no one has ever been able to come up with the name of another American in the history of Perugia, (or in Italy) in which another American woman was “framed” for murder. In the entire history of the Italian Republic. Can you name even one woman, before or even after Amanda Knox? WHY would Italy choose this particular woman as the only American woman ever to be allegedly “framed” for murder. She is –and was– certainly NOT the only sexually active, attractive, loud American ever to visit Italy.

      This so-called conspiracy theory would require hundreds of witnesses, forensic scientists, investigators, prosecutors, judges and Italy’s Supreme Court to be “in” on the plot. Cui bono? And what would all these people gain from perverting the course of justice?

      Fourthly, it may be your personal opinion that Knox is “a representation of typical Americans her age.” But she is DEFINITELY not typical of any Americans that age that I have EVER known personally.

      However, I will admit the real Amanda Knox (not the sanitized PR angelic version ) DOES remind me of other notorious American killers I have read about in the news.

      • Oliver

        I don’t know any swimming champions, Italian or otherwise. Forgive my typing error.
        And, as I said in my first post, author Douglas Preston was framed as a serial murderer by the same prosecutor, Mignini, as were many others before Preston. It should come with alarm that the same prosecutor is now leading the charge in another case lacking evidence and with conflicting verdicts.
        I don’t believe Knox is being framed in an elaborate conspiracy involving many. She was at the scene, acted like a fool and that generated suspicion because Italians her age generally don’t act as she did. Enter Mignini…he’s powerful and well protected, so no one is going to bother opposing him, especially on account of some stupid American. Generally, I’ve found Italians aren’t interested in making things better or more efficient or right – they are perfectly miserable living with things as they are, even if they are half-assed. They are comfortably numb. They don’t even pardon themselves when they ram into you on the street. Why would they be concerned with this stupid girl?
        American media is also quite different from Italian mainstream media. I love their newspapers, very entertaining, but there is a degree of sensationalism too tawdry for US markets. This played a role in her situation as well.
        I assure you, Italians take no ownership of Guede. He could have lived his entire life in that country, but as long as he looks the way he looks, he will never be Italian to them. As for Sollecito, I doubt he’ll land in prison for the long term. We’ll see.
        I am around college students, American and Italian, all day long. There is a big difference in attitude, dress, drinking and drug use. Regardless of whether you think Knox is an average American, she is NOT an average Italian, and that probably had more to do with her situation. Italians don’t care for outsiders…hell, they don’t even like each other. Pride and vanity are big in Italian culture. These qualities all played a role in her convictions.
        But hey, I certainly don’t care if you think she’s guilty. Read Preston’s book. It will interest you if you’re this passionate about the Knox case and it’s a great read.

        • Chief Inspector EG

          I find it morally reprehensible how often people under articles just happen to recommend Preston’s book that has almost nothing to do with Knox or the death of Meredith Kercher.

          I can only imagine that Preston, loathsome profiteering toad that he is, pays people to promote his book in the comments sections of articles. Although mention of his book doesn’t occur nearly as often as in previous years, there’s little doubt in my mind that there’s nothing innocent about it.

          • Oliver

            Yahoo! I cannot WAIT to get my big fat check! I couldn’t be happier with this turn of events!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Fredly

            That book proves Mignini to be a crackpot.

          • corpus vile

            See my response on said book Fred. It doesn’t prove any such thing except that Preston & Spezi have an axe to grind with Mignini. Nothing more.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Don’t believe everything you read by the lying weasel Preston, who, along with his crony Mario Spezi, was arrested for tampering with evidence (to bolster their particular theory related to the Monster of Florence murders) and framing a completely innocent man for being the MoF serial killer. Or do you think that that was a nice thing to do? Perhaps you’re not aware that Spezi is at this very moment being prosecuted for his involvement and that Preston’s innards have long since turned to water as he contemplates being next.

            So who is the crackpot and why exactly would you trust anything that Preston (just another Knox-related money-grubber) says in his book?

          • Fredly

            The case against Spezi was thrown out. This proves that Mignini falsely charged 20 people with belonging to a satanic cult.

          • corpus vile

            No Mignini charged them with criminal conspiracy, obstruction of justice, & criminal association among other charges. He didn’t charge them with belonging a Satanic cult as that wouldn’t have been [permitted by law, as Satanism is a perfectly legal & protected religion, just like any other religion. he never mooted any Satanic theories.
            Again the person who first mooted any occult/Satanic theories in the MOF case was Sollecito’s defence consultant Dr Francesco Bruno in 1984 as I’ve said earlier in this thread. (rinse, repeat again from Knox supporters)
            A religious historian Massimo Introvigne independently came to the same conclusion in the same year. Both independent sources felt that this was a group of deeply disturbed psychos who were using occult trappings to fuel their pathology, the way Manson used the hippie era, David Koresh used religion & a gang of serial killing skinheads used racism in Russia several years ago. They didn’t think it was like outa the film The Omen or Rosemary’s baby or whatever.
            A| third independent source, a French private detective investigating the deaths of the last MOF victims, two French tourists also came to an occult linked conclusion.
            I have to look into Spezi’s case being dismissed but said in my earlier post that I suspected this anyway, probably due to statutes expiring. No different than Berlusconi having corruption charges dismissed due to statute of limitations expiring.
            The so called 20 innocents had their charges dismissed due to the statutes expiring, which is why I suspected the same thing would happen with Spezi. But I’ll have to look into it myself. It comes as no surprise though, as Italy is very pro defendant, which belies your claims of unfair trials.
            Spezi can also be hit with a civil suit though & very probably will be by Mignini & Giuttari.

          • Fredly

            This is from Wiki –

            Dr. Francesco Narducci’s body was recovered from Lake Trasimeno near Perugia, Italy, in 1985 and was initially determined to be a drowning.[12][13] His body was discovered a month after the final double-murder linked to the Monster of Florence. Police and prosecutors initially investigated Narducci’s death as connected to the murders after a number of anonymous letters were received, but police were unable to find evidence of a connection.[14][15] In the summer of 2001, police wiretaps recorded a conversation threatening a woman that if she did not pay what was owed she would end up like Narducci.[14][15] Subsequent threatening phone calls to the same woman referred to the “murder of Pacciani” (one of the suspects in the Monster of Florence Case who was found dead in suspicious circumstances[16]) and said that both had been killed by members of a secret society for betraying them.[17] In early 2002, Mignini had Narducci’s body exhumed and examined. Mignini believed that the body was not decomposed enough to be Narducci’s. A medical examination determined that the body was in fact Narducci’s. Mignini then theorised that the body had been swapped twice.[14] Mignini alleged that Narducci had been involved in a secret society and killed to keep quiet and that his father, Ugo Narducci, a member of a masonic lodge, had masterminded the cover up.[18][19] Mignini’s theory involved a complicated conspiracy of 20 people, including government officials and law enforcement officers. Mignini indicted 20 people and charged them with the concealment of Narducci’s murder. The charges were eventually dismissed.[20] Narducci’s family and colleagues believe that his death was a suicide.[18]

            In April 2006 Mignini had Italian journalist Mario Spezi arrested for complicity in the homicides of the Monster of Florence case and interfering with an investigation. Spezi was held for 23 days, 5 without a lawyer.[21]

            On 22 March 2013 the Third Circuit Court of Cassation (Supreme Court of Italy) ruled that the main case related to criminal conduct “did not exist”, and that Francesco Narducci died by suicide.[22] In sustaining the lower court acquittals, the Court of Cassation also sent back for re-trial some of the parallel slander charges.

          • corpus vile

            The same wiki that uses Preston as a source? Pass thanks. Read the Italian wiki on the MOF case, it’s far more detailed and doesn’t use such biased sources. Wiki’s page on Meredith’s murder is an unfunny joke so I don’t regard English wiki as a valid source. I’ve also told you a bunch of times where the occult theories first came from. You simply disregard any info you’re given and mindlessly repeat your mantras- Amanda is innocent, double jeopardy blah- de blah. You’re incapable of having an honest discussion so again cling to your beliefs. You’re still in for a very rude awakening.

          • corpus vile

            Hello Fredly, just found out that the charges were indeed thrown out… because the statutes of limitations had expired as I said I suspected would be the case in my earlier post. Which isn’t the same as being found innocent at all. Left that bit out didn’t you?:-)
            However the civil case against him for defamation has NOT been cancelled and is still going ahead.
            Thoughts?

          • Fredly

            This is what Wiki says –

            In April 2006 Mignini had Italian journalist Mario Spezi arrested for complicity in the homicides of the Monster of Florence case and interfering with an investigation. Spezi was held for 23 days, 5 without a lawyer.[21]

            On 22 March 2013 the Third Circuit Court of Cassation (Supreme Court of Italy) ruled that the main case related to criminal conduct “did not exist”, and that Francesco Narducci died by suicide.[22] In sustaining the lower court acquittals, the Court of Cassation also sent back for re-trial some of the parallel slander charges.

            I don’t think Mignini has much of a chance in civil court with Narducci’s death being ruled a suicide.

          • corpus vile

            Gosh, again with the la-la-la-I’m-not listening routine.
            You’ve already been told about wiki using Preston as a source. Try top keep up Fred.

            Um, he’s suing Spezi for defamation due to his book, not Narducci. Again try to keep up.

        • SantaBelle

          Thankfully you do NOT speak for any Italian! I am English and I know full well the reporting of this case has been vastly more concentrated on the truth in Italy than it ever has been in the US! Italians are right to view Knox as a murderer because she is one. I have spent a lot of time in Italy, and lived briefly in Milan, and your experience is blinkered! It sums you up that you try and advertise the MOF! It is out and out garbage and it’s authors are right to be running scared at the moment. They are looking at criminal fines at the very least!

          • Oliver

            Never said I was speaking for Italians. Just telling how I see it. You make big statements – knowing all about the media in three different countries on two continents, knowing she is a murderer (I’m assuming you were at the scene then?) There’s little point in debating with you or really anyone on this site. Seems her fate is sealed. I hope this collection of posters never sits on my jury!

          • Chief Inspector EG

            “There’s little point in debating with you or really anyone on this site. Seems her fate is sealed. I hope this collection of posters never sits on my jury!”

            I don’t understand your point with this, unless you think that people posting against Knox here also served as jurists that convicted her.

          • Oliver

            I’ll try to go slower. Posters seem to have dug into their opinion on this, regardless of evidence. I would hate to be judged by people like that.

          • Bill Morrison

            Well, Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito repeatedly lied about a murder case, their alibis were proven false and contradict each other to this day and their accounts are otherwise implausible, they did their best to mislead investigators, Amanda falsely fingered Patrick Lumumba in the murder to draw attention away from herself, forensic evidence places both of them at the murder scene, one or both of them participated in a staged break-in and cleanup at the house where the murder occurred on the morning after the murder, witnesses testified to their suspicious behaviors, and Raffaele, in his prison diary, confirmed the presence of Meredith Kercher´s blood DNA on the kitchen knife used in the murder. They´re guilty, based on the evidence. So what´s your point?

          • SR Bach

            Oliver:

            Since when does someone have to be present at the crime scene, during the murder, in order to make an informed decision determining “guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?”

            Surely you can not be THAT NAIVE!

            Murder defendants and their lawyers would just LOVE to have someone like you on sitting on the jury. “Nope, just can’t find any of ‘em guilty. I wasn’t there on the scene!” LOL.

            Once again, you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts.

            When people post opinions that are based on misinformation and faulty premises, why should they mind being CORRECTED WITH FACTUAL INFORMATION?

            I assumed everybody who cares about justice for Meredith Kercher is seeking the TRUTH. No matter how difficult it may be to accept.

            You or anyone can opine all you want about the Italians you have met. And you can speculate all day about your “take” on Italian culture and why you think your experiences in Italy should color one’s thinking about THIS SPECIFIC CASE–if you want to.

            The ONLY thing that really matters is the documented evidence against Knox and Sollecito in COURT.

            The Gogarty-Marriott firm’s “best truths PR spin” and the Knox Groupies’ stubborn, silly refusal to admit the evidence against these convicted killers isn’t going matter one bit in the outcome of this case.

            Assessing the evidence in a criminal case. anywhere in the world is rigorous and often intellectual work. Amanda Knox’s family, PR firm and her fan club, on the other hand, want us to dumb it down. They would love for people to view this case in soundbites and slogans. (e.g. “no evidence” “witch hunt” and “railroad job.”)

            Since Day One, at least ONE representative from the US Embassy in Italy–State Department personnel well-versed in Italian law– has been present in Court to witness and review the Amanda Knox Italian legal proceedings.

            Why is it that even the US Embassy, fully informed of the facts never found ANY IRREGULARITIES in Italy’s prosecution of Amanda Knox?

            Who here can say– with a straight face– that the Knox Groupies know more than US Embassy officials who monitored her trial, every single day?!

        • SR Bach

          Oliver wrote:

          “She was at the scene, acted like a fool and that generated suspicion because Italians her age generally don’t act as she did.”

          I agree she didn’t act like any “typical” Italian her age.

          But, more importantly, AMANDA KNOX ACTED LIKE A FOOL AND *THAT* GENERATED SUSPICION BECAUSE…

          wait for it…

          *INNOCENT PEOPLE* WHO ARE REACTING TO THE BRUTAL MURDER OF A “FRIEND,” SHOCKING VIOLENCE WHICH HAD JUST TAKEN PLACE IN THE HOME WHERE THEY THEMSELVES LIVED…

          DO…..NOT…..ACT…..AS AMANDA KNOX DID.

          Furthermore, unlike Knox, an innocent person has no reason to lie, no reason to provide multiple alibis, no reason to falsely accuse an innocent “friend” of the murder.

    • corpus vile

      Mignini never investigated the MOF case, he only investigated the death of Dr Francesco Narducci who was a MOF suspect and who died in 1985.
      His theories as you put it weren’t his theories. They were the theories of Sollecito’s defence consultant, criminologist Dr Francesco Bruno who mooted them in 1984 when he drew up a profile on the MOF for the SISDE or Italian secret service.
      Mignini didn’t investigate the Narducci death until around 2001/2002, long after the last MOF murders, which were in 1985, a month before Narducci’s death.

      Mignini didn’t jail everyone in Italy either. He had Preston’s co-author Mario Spezi arrested & detained for evidence tampering on suspicion of attempting to frame an innocent man for being Italy’s most infamous serial killer, in order to get a movie deal with George Clooney.
      Preston also faced charges of this, as the cops tapped their phones and heard them talking about it. Spezi’s preliminary hearing for this began last June 25th although I wonder if and kinda suspect he’ll be acquitted, probably due to statutes expiring.
      Preston states in an interview with the Atlantic in 2006 that Mignini was a sincere man and an “honest and incorruptible judge.” Probably because Mignini let him go.

      Mignini only had one person brought to trial during the Florentine cops’ MOF investigation under Michele Giuttari, which was for ordering the murder of Narducci. Mignini asked for the suspect to be acquitted by the court due to insufficient evidence. The court complied with his request.
      The suspect in Narducci’s death then went on trial for ordering the MOF murders but Mignini wasn’t part of the prosecution. He was merely the prosecutor for the suspect’s Narducci trial, which he asked for acquittal.
      The suspect for his MOF hearing opted for a fast track trial as was his right and as was Guede’s right. He was also acquitted for his MOF trial under paragraph 2 of article 530, which isn’t a definitive acquittal but more of an insufficient evidence/reasonable doubt acquittal.

      I’ve read Preston/Spezi’s book several times, it’s full of inaccuracies, omissions and outright lies in parts and is facing a civil suit by Michele Giuttari, who did investigate the MOF murders.
      So it’s not a valid source and neither is Preston, or Spezi who are ardent Amanda Knox supporters anyway and have a very personal grudge against Mignini.

      • SantaBelle

        Well said, corpus!

        • corpus vile

          Cheers. :-)

    • SantaBelle

      You would be a lot more convincing if you spelt Mignini’s name correctly!

      By the way, the ludicrous ‘book’ you refer to was penned by two crooks and right minded people rightly dismiss it’s content as BS. Doctor Mignini is 100% correct in his opinion that the sadist Knox is guilty of the murder of Meredith Kercher, an opinion that is supported by 10,000 pages of hard evidence. Evidence that has never been reported upon in biased America.

  • Chief Inspector EG

    From the article: “There’s a compelling and profound absence of evidence.”

    Why is this person still employed by Knox? Is she really paying good money for Simon to say something so monumentally unrelated to reality? I think that at this point even St Amanda’s most dedicated “fans” must be aware that there is indeed a great deal of solid and incontrovertible evidence against her.

    “It’s a nightmare that should end, and it’s completely and wholly unjust.”

    It’s a nightmare for the family of the actual victim that cocaine-addict and lifelong loser Knox was convicted of torturing to death. If it’s a nightmare for Knox, then it’s one she must live with, since it was of her own making. And the only thing that is unjust is that the PR circus hasn’t ended yet and she’s still walking the streets. Fortunately that will soon be remedied.

    • Dopre

      What it says is your standard of evidence is elementary.

      You all invoke the same tired invectives to illicit a response. Shame, misogyny, xenophobia…..it’s all here. This case was built on so may societal prejudices it’s mind-boggling.

      Mignini built this case on circumstantial evidence and it wasn’t even strong circumstantial evidence either. The prosecution (and you) work to turn Knox into a monster all predicated on false testimony to her character. There is no history of sociopathy. By all accounts, she was a normal young woman with no history of deviant behavior. What is going on here with all of this hate and condemnation coming from complete strangers? If any of you had the ability to reflect, you might stop and question why you feel so enraged by this one person. What you do simply feels like is an endeavor to slay the demons in your own minds and you do it at the expense of another humans life.

      • Chief Inspector EG

        “What is going on here with all of this hate and condemnation coming from complete strangers?”

        A better question is this: What is going on here with all of this love and admiration for a convicted sick lowlife murderess from her fans? Is that even normal?

        “If any of you had the ability to reflect, you might stop and question why you feel so enraged by this one person.”

        Perhaps what they are enraged about is the attempt by Knox and her PR machine to pervert the course of justice and to trample on the rights of the actual victim, Meredith Kercher.

        • Laramie F.

          Oh the all powerful Knox PR machine! Only people who have no ability to think or reason for themselves would ever believe that PR can be so powerful. Your house must be full of everything you ever saw on the shopping channels.

      • SR Bach

        You hate all the tired invectives. You you don’t hesitate to claim “societal prejudices.”

        No need to do armchair analysis of Knox’s psyche. No need to HATE Knox to convict her on the evidence on record. I don’t hate Knox. I DO HATE HER LIES and I DO HATE WHAT SHE DID TO MEREDITH.

        Courts don’t have to make a definitive diagnosis of defendants’ personality disorders. FYI: Personality disorders are not considered by Courts to be “mental illness.”

        Scott Peterson (in the US) was convicted on far less evidence. Most of it WAS circumstantial. I am unaware of any of Scott’s prior antisocial behavior prior to Scott killing his pregnant wife.

        How can you explain THAT? Peterson seemed was far more of a “model citizen” than Knox ever was. Before he cheated on his wife and killed her, Scott seemed to be a reasonably decent human being.

        Read the Massei Report.

        • Dopre

          The Peterson case is where circumstantial evidence is relevant.
          There was no murder scene to gather forensic evidence from. Equally, Lacey’s body had been in salt water and was badly decomposed. The autopsy rendered nothing useful in establishing how she was murdered.
          Peterson was cheating on his pregnant wife. He had expressed an interest with his mistress of building a life together. He never told his mistress he was married and by all intents and purposes he appeared unattached to his life with Lacey. He fled, and was caught on his way to Mexico with money in his pocket and sporting a new look. Interesting the correlation of fleeing in this case…don’t you think? It is highly suggestive of guilt, and has been established in the investigative field as a telltale sign of guilt.
          This constant need within your community to hold up other cases as a way to validate the investigation of this case may seem valuable to the debate. But when it is held up to the light of day it always falls flat.
          Rudy Guede alone murdered Meredith. Your flawed reasoning obscures the truth.

          • corpus vile

            Knox was convicted on more evidence than Scott Peterson. More evidence than was used to convict serial killer Rose West in the UK. More evidence than was used to convict Whitey Bulger. She certainly would have been convicted in the US & very probably would have gotten a life sentence or the death penalty. Very unlikely she’d have gotten an appeal either.

          • Dopre

            Doesn’t mean a thing that she was convicted on more circumstantial evidence than Peterson. Quantity does not equate to quality.

          • corpus vile

            She was convicted on more physical evidence and I’d say the circumstantial trumped Peterson’s also. Overall in regard to the totality of both cases, Knox was convicted on far more evidence.

          • Dopre

            Quantity does not equate to quality.

          • corpus vile

            The quality far exceeded Peterson’s also. The only physical evidence against him was a single hair found on his boat.
            Again, Knox would have certainly been convicted in the US.

          • Dopre

            corpus, you and I will never see eye to eye on this. While I think anything is possible, I do not believe that the evidence would in anyway support your contention regarding conviction in the US, nor in the UK for that matter.

          • corpus vile

            It doesn’t matter what you personally believe, A US court would have convicted Knox if presented with the same evidence,. I can’t put this any plainer.

          • Dopre

            You can’t possibly know that corpus. To state this as fact is a flawed viewpoint. I already stated that I do not believe it would happen. What we are both stating here is opinion, not fact.

          • corpus vile

            Actually I do know that by simple virtue of the fact that there are plenty in US & UK prisons who’ve been convicted on less evidence than Knox was. Saying quantity doesn’t equate to quality is nonsensical, especially after it’s already been explained to you how facts are established in court.

          • Fredly

            It never would have come to trial in America. Assuming it did, The Supreme Court would not have committed double jeopardy.

          • corpus vile

            They didn’t commit double jeopardy as a verdict being overturned at an intermediate appellate court level isn’t DJ. She would have been convicted in America.

          • Fredly

            When you’ve been found innocent of murder in America and sent home, you do not get tried again.

          • corpus vile

            She wasn’t found innocent, she was found guilty at her trial and had her conviction upheld at the Nencini appeal. You appear to think the annulled Hellman appeal has any relevance or significance. It doesn’t.
            Only way DJ could apply in accordance with the US-Italy extradition treaty is if Knox had have been convicted/acquitted by the requested nation. Requested nation in this instance is America where Knox hasn’t been charged with Meredith’s murder, let alone been convicted/acquitted of it.
            You also seem unable to accept that a lower intermediate appellate court’s decisions being successfully appealed happens both in Italy & America and certainly doesn’t equate to DJ.
            So your objection isn’t valid and if you still wish to equate annulled appellate courts’ decisions to DJ then go ahead. I’ve explained to you as best as I can and I’m not gonna waste any more time doing so, sorry.
            This is what I meant by Amanda’s fans being in for a very rude awakening to EG & it’s just one of several examples, the ECHR being another of several.
            So cling to your belief, it doesn’t make you any less mistaken or wrong, sorry.

          • Fredly

            Cite a case in America where a judge has ruled a murderer not guilty and then sent them home and they were then re-tried. You can’t. Double jeopardy is legal in Italy, but it is still double jeopardy.

          • corpus vile

            Actually DJ isn’t legal in Italy.
            You’re just plain not getting this. Which is not my problem. Cling to your delusion, far be it from me to burst your bubble.

          • Laramie F.

            So if she wasn’t found innocent, how was she released from prison and allowed to leave Italy?

          • Laramie F.

            So how come the prosecution has to keep changing the motive every trial? With Peterson, there was a real motive, not entirely contrived idiocy reeking of fecal matter.

          • SR Bach

            Yes, that is correct. When a murder suspect flees, his or her flight is frequently seen as an indicator of guilt. But it’s wrong to say that ALL– or even the majority of murderers– flee.

            The converse is also true. Because it is equally suspicious to investigators and criminal profilers for killers to hang around the crime scene, or RETURN TO THE SCENE OF THEIR CRIME, under the guise of “needing to help the police.”

            This type of killer stays as close as he or she can to investigators. Often these are killers who HAVE CLOSE TIES TO THE VICTIM–like a spouse, friend, lover, family member or roommate.

            Killers who have that intimate connection with the victim are well aware that police ALWAYS investigate those closest to the victim first. FOR A FRIEND OF THE VICTIM, fleeing would raise a big red flag; it would raise investigators’ suspicions.

            So that kind of killer stays close by and pretends to want to “help the police.”

            Of course, they don’t really want to “help” the police. They only want to know what the police KNOW. They need the control.

            Not all killers flee. That is a myth.

            Knox and Sollecito didn’t flee because were arrogant enough to think they could get away with their crimes.

            And so did Scott Peterson, well, right up until the end. When he had no other option but to flee law enforcement.

            Furthermore, Knox and Sollecito didn’t want to go on the run!
            Both were enjoying themselves immensely in Perugia, and they wanted to continue to do so!

            Sollecito’s sister was a member of the Carabinieri. Because Raffaele knew about her professional experiences, Sollecito was more savvy than the average person about how REAL (not fictional) criminal investigations are conducted.

            And Sollecito himself had had his narcotic-related run-ins with the police in his home town– in Puglia. He felt his knowledge and his own criminal experiences would serve him well in getting away with the murder.

            Who would suspect the brother of a Carabiniere and the son of a physician–especially when “the black guy” had left enough evidence on the scene.

            Knox and Sollecito both thought they had likely outsmarted the police.

            Hence the giddy, hypersexual celebratory behavior of these two perps, just after Meredith was killed.

            Hypersexuality of the perps (and inappropriate non-reacting to the tragedy) is another red flag for investigators.

            (You may remember that the “grieving” Scott Peterson signed up for a TV porn channel, just days after Laci went missing. While Scott was conducting his affair.)

          • Jim Jones

            > He fled, and was caught on his way to Mexico with money in his pocket and sporting a new look.

            Utter bullshit.

          • Dopre

            Google is your friend.

          • Dopre

            Here’s the thing Jim…when you come on a forum and attack a posters comment without doing the research, you just might want to double check your information. Otherwise, you might just get owned……
            Peterson was arrested in San Diego after a warrant was issued for his arrest. On his person during the time of arrest was….

            $15,000 in cash, credit cards from various family members, four cell pones, a large amount of camping equipment, several changes of clothing, his brother drivers license, etc. etc.
            He had dyed his hair blond and when asked about it tried to claim it was from swimming in a chlorine pool.

            So Jim, tell me again who it is spouting utter BS about Peterson? And by the way, it was Bach who brought it into the conversation, opening up this pleasant opportunity to tell you like it is….thank you very much.

          • Jim Jones

            Dopre babbled incoherently “Here’s the thing Jim…when you come on a forum and attack a posters comment without doing the research, you just might want to double check your information. Otherwise, you might just get owned.”

            Not by you. Not ever. You are as ignorant of this case as you are of the Kercher case.

          • Dopre

            Okey dokey Jimmy! You schooled me!!! LMAO

          • Jim Jones

            Dopre ranted “Okey dokey Jimmy! You schooled me!”

            Doubtful. 20 years of college couldn’t get you to think logically. It isn’t a skill you even understand.

  • Sol

    When I first learned of the case, I bought right into the Media frenzy hook line and sinker. I had no reason to think other wise, nor did I even care to look at the Defense’s argument.

    Then as time went on, I discovered TJMK and started reading it and it was like reading pulp fiction from the National Enquirer. I mean seriously, Sex game gone wrong!? Sex with a homeless drug addict!? Then as I started peering more and more into the case and it got more and more bazaar. It just didn’t make any sense. People like Knox and Solleto just do not murder people without reason nor without any prior history of mental illness or criminal behavior.

    So I started investigating for myself and that’s when I discovered Injustice anywhere and have been advocating for Knox ever since. Not for any sympathy for Knox, although I do have plenty for her, but simply to rail against the blatant misuse of Justice.

    I read this early this week…

    http://www.wantedinrome.com/news/2003332/expat-photographer-arrested-in-front-of-colosseum.html

    This seems pretty much standard M.O. for the Italian Police and I experienced something similar in Latin America once so things like this happening in places of the world doesn’t surprise me and Im certain its whats happened to AK and RS.

    This case has taught me something about Italy and that’s the ability to sue pretty much anyone for any reason. How can anyone have a fair trial if the Police have the ability to sue you for slander!? That pretty much opens the door carte blanche for the Police to pretty much do whatever they want by simply turning off the video camera. If someone comes forward about any abuse, they will get slammed with a lawsuit unless they can prove it which is pretty much impossible if testimony is the only evidence. So with little fear of repercussions, It would be quite easy for a Prosecutor and the Police to do whatever is necessary to win or to cover their a##.

    • SR Bach

      Sol:

      You say you want to “rail against the blatant misuse of Justice.” (???)

      Yet you approach this case same unmistakable style of a biased Knox Groupie!

      One can always spot a Knox Groupie from reading their posts which reveal that unmistakable Knoxian Groupie shallow thinking and that unmistakable Knoxian Groupie intellectual laziness.

      Not to mention all those predictable spelling and grammar errors one sees all the time from them! (e.g. “Then as I started peering more and more into the case and it got more and more bazaar. “)

      The Knox Groupies will always try to sound passionate, pretending to know more than they do. Yet, they lack even the most basic understanding of the Italian legal system (as revealed by their own thoughts) and prefer the spin they get from Knox’s Gogarty-Marriott PR team and IIP ( a Fur Salesman’s site) (!!!) in favor of translated court records and primary news sources.

      Knox Groupies ignore their considerable limitations. Instead they believe that a fur salesman with bankruptcy problems (by the name of Bruce Fischer/Fisher) at Injustice Anywhere is “THE” source for Knox news. They assume his biased, cult site is THE place to go for unbiased information. This is the same sick site that doesn’t hesitate to make cruel, racist comments about the murder victim’s family. That’s your idea of an impartial site?!

      Why are Knox Groupies so impatient with complexity? Is it because the crime and the court cases took place in a “foreign land?” Why do they prefer to remain ignorant, rather than make any effort to understand the case? Lack of time? Or a typical Groupie response when challenged to look at the truth: “I can’t be bothered.” Or, “I don’t care.”

      Why do they remain confused and ignorant, rather than make a good faith effort and take the time to understand all the nuances of this case? READ PRIMARY SOURCES. Read the court documents to learn all about the evidence against Knox.

      Instead of doing the hard research, they will use anything, even Knox’s unreliable PR spin to support
      their established views.

      You can always count on a Knox Groupie to make sweeping generalizations and to draw their unmistakable xenophobic conclusions.

      Maybe it’s just a case of “wishful thinking” blocking out reality: Knox Groupies just can’t bring themselves to accept that a woman with Knox’s average American Knox looks–is capable of such a violent, senseless act.

      Wishful thinking and naiveté would be the most benign explanations I can think of to account for the narrow mindset of the Knox Cult Groupthink.

      • Sol

        “Why do they prefer to remain ignorant, rather than make any effort to understand the case?”

        I’m sure I understand the case more than your self. Ive read all your evidence. Ive read all the News stories. Ive read all the Blog’s for and against the case. The only thing I havent read are any of the books released. I refuse to read such things becasue books are biased. So what else is there to read?

        All you guilters say is read the Transcripts over and over again. Whats in the transcripts that is so unique? That a Police officer says shes guilty? Ive read the transcripts at TJMK, and those aren’t transcripts at all. They are lines of testimony intermixed with biased commentary by the site owner.

        What evidence am I not reading or not knowing about?

        • SR Bach

          Sol:

          You asserted:
          “I’m sure I understand the case more than your self.”

          More than I understand the case?

          Again, spoken, I mean WRITTEN– like a true Knox Groupie!
          You Groupies are always SO VERY “SURE OF” SO MANY THINGS– you know nothing about. How quick you are to make assumptions!

          You don’t know anything about me. Have you ever heard the old saying…when you “assume” you make an ass out of “u” and “me.”

          Knox Groupies are legendary for rushing to judgement based on what they “think” they know. You Groupies confuse your own personal opinions and experiences (even in Latin America !!!) with facts relevant to THIS Italian CASE.

          Now if you want to think that you do “understand the case more than [I do], Sol, you go right ahead and think that.

          But I must say I think it’s amusing that you accept– without question–the information you have read on blogs and “in the news.”

          YET you state that you…
          “refuse to read such things [i.e., books] becasue [sic] books are biased.”

          Sorry, but that was LOL-worthy.

          That’s another Groupie trait: the use of absolute statements.
          painting again with their broad brush.

          Your statement about books is so very silly. But it’s indicative of the Knox Groupie black-and-white thinking that one can see in opinions written by Knox’s cult of followers.

          I would never presume to know what you know or don’t know, but…

          Have you ever read a primary source? If you haven’t read Judge Massei’s report, outlining the evidence that was used to convict Knox and Sollecito of murder–that would be a good place to start reading.

          • Dopre

            Stop it with the groupie thing. It’s BS.
            Are you a Mignini groupie? Do you like having your interest in this case marginalized down to being called a groupie for those you defend? It’s a blatant attempt to portray our interest in the case down to adoring a woman and it really is specious.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            I almost dislike having to say it, but your reference to Mignini is also a groupie trait. Knox groupies always obsess over this one prosecutor out of many.

          • Dopre

            The reason I mentioned Mignini should be obvious. Might any of us even remotely question anything of the man you guys are all over it protecting him. The reference was meant to be a counter weight.
            Mignini’s hand is still in this, and whether you agree with it or not, this “one prosecutor out of many” is why we are all here today.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Subtract Mignini, and you would still have a conviction. He wasn’t the only one who worked to put away Meredith Kercher’s sick, drug-addled killers.

  • vortex

    Rudy Guede, the real burglar, rapist, murderer, whose fingerprints were found in the blood of Meredith ercher next to her body, had knife wounds on his hands from stabbing her, admitted watching her bleed to death, left his DNA all over her clothes and pocketbook and even INSIDE agina and Guede originally said that Knox was not involved and no trace of Knox was ever found in the murder room.
    But because Rudy Guede PLAYED BALL with the Italian Police and lied to frame Knox, Rudy only spent 7 years in jail and is on work release right now(reported in Italian Papers).
    “An atmosphere of respected and encouraged investigative peer review in the first
    days of the Kercher murder investigation would have left one person charged and
    convicted of murder with a universally respected level of evidence and there
    would have been no motive to cut that murderers sentence in half in exchange
    for yet another ‘justifier” to refresh the innuendo’s about Knox to that
    date. ”

  • vortex

    Raffaele Sollecito is being threatened by the Italian Police with a lifetime in jail
    because Raffaele did not PLAY BALL with the Police when they were framing an
    American seven years ago, even though there is no evidence to connect him to
    the crime.
    Once again, BECAUSE Rudy PLAYED BALL with the Italian Police and lied to frame Knox, Rudy only received a 7 year sentence and is on work release right now.
    The Amanda Knox case has not been about justice since October 3, 2011, when the innocents were acquitted and the police and prosecutors shown to be stupid paranoid witch hunters that hould be confined to a nuthouse.
    The actions of the Italian Judiciary since 2011 are nothing more than a POLITICALLY motivated vendetta aimed exclusively at white washing the Italian Justice System by hiding the crimes of the Italian Police revealed in 2011 behind a transparent prosecution of two innocent kids.
    Events of the last year have shown everyone in the world that the “Italian Justice System” is nothing more than an incompetent, corrupt, self-serving, inbred pack of howling liars who are more interested in protecting their jobs and pensions than
    “Justice”.
    Everyone knows this is about protecting Italian Police corruption and abuse.
    Are all Italians too afraid of the Italian Police to speak up against this farce.

    • corpus vile

      Guede opted for a fast track trial which Knox & Sollecito could have availed of. He was given 30 years which is the maximum sentence for a fast track trial. A fast track trial guarantees sentence reduction by a third.

      How is it politically motivated? The Italian judiciary is separate from government.
      Guede is younger than Sollecito & six months older than Knox, how come you don’t regard him as a kid? None of the defendants were kids they were young adults. What crimes by the Italian authorities were committed? Why was a whitewash necessary if Guede was the sole killer & they’d already caught their man?
      How is the Italian justice system corrupt, incompetent, inbred & howling liars?
      How did they need to protect their jobs and pensions?
      Nobody was acquitted. A provisional overturning of a conviction at an intermediate appellate court level isn’t an acquittal & happens in the US all the time.

      What you’re saying doesn’t make sense.

      • Chief Inspector EG

        “What you’re saying doesn’t make sense.”

        No, it certainly doesn’t. However, it plays well to the gallery. Even as I write this there are delighted Knox fans who are throwing down roses and seeing good, plain sense and irrefutable logic in every sentence that Vortex wrote.

        Knox may be doomed, but she has the support of her self-deluded fans.

        • corpus vile

          I think her fans are in for a very rude awakening. Hopefully then the Kercher family can find some form of peace.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            And I’d like to add to that my hope that every blood-money dime that Knox has earned at the expense of her victim is eventually confiscated. Oh, and also it would be sweet if several more years were tacked on to her existing sentence for the slander in her book, interviews, blog, etc.

          • corpus vile

            That may just happen actually or at least a whopping fine. She really went on an all out assault on Italy via Marriot. Such actions may come back to haunt her. Hope so anyway as she thoroughly deserves it.

          • vortex

            Vile and EG
            You play so well together and reveal in hatred and nonsense,
            are you the same person?
            Like Dupre, it is the disgusting and self serving abuse of power by the Italian Judiciary in every phase of this sordid farce the Italians contend is a “Trial” that has drawn me to the defence of these two innocents.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            And you, like Dupre, seem to specialize in vague generalities, unsupported assertions and nonsensical hyperbole. Are you the same person?

        • Dopre

          You can stop with the theatrics. You people really do have a propensity to being quite ridiculous about our interest in this case. I profess to have sympathy for all concerned, but my true interest is the abuse of power that the Italian judiciary has invoked here. We are not adoring fans or groupies.
          But by all means, continue with the emotional verbiage. It serves the PIP well.

          • corpus vile

            No you don’t have sympathy for all concerned as you refused to condemn attacks on the murder victim and her family, despite being asked to do so many times.

    • Chief Inspector EG

      Somebody’s been reading Knox PR hate-site IIP.

      • Dopre

        That’s your comeback? How is IIP a hate site exactly? Who are they disparaging there other than those working to manipulate the truth? And further, I would like you to tell me where you have gathered your information if not for a hate site dedicated to hating all things Knox?

        • corpus vile

          You saw yourself the hateful racist comments by the IIP poster Alex_K. I highlighted them to you on another forum. Suggestions were also mooted by the same poster to blackmail the Kercher family & a thread exists called “TheKerchers role & their views” in which the poster who started the thread calls them a “vile family”. As in the family of an innocent murder victim. If you can’t see that as hateful then there’s no point in discussing the issue with you.

          • Dopre

            Say her name.

          • corpus vile

            Her name was Meredith & she was murdered by Amanda Knox, Raffaele Sollecito & Rudy Guede. Guede is rightfully in prison. Knox & Sollecito will soon be joining him.

          • Dopre

            So you just can’t do it? Neither will I.

          • corpus vile

            I’m sorry what are you talking about? I was speaking about a murder victim, you asked me to say her name and I did so?
            Do you mean Ghislane is that it? I’ve already condemned her comments to you several times if they’re true and I condemn Ghislane’s comments now again if true. Not sure what more you want here Dopre. You won’t condemn Alex’s racist comments or his comments attacking a murder victim and her family and again it says it all about you. You guys like such comments hence the reason you refuse to condemn them.

          • Dopre

            I have not gone back and read the IIP page that you are talking about, but I will. I did read what Alex said and it certainly was not his finest hour. I do think that stereo-typing a culture is a very wrong thing to do. It does, however, seem to be a vein that runs through this debate on many fronts. I am aware that there are people who condemn the Kercher family. I do not think it serves to do so either. I give the family a wide berth to vent their grief and have stated so many times. The family has been, for the most part, very quite. Of course there is a raging debate as to how much is going on behind the scenes regarding the internet debate and whether there is any family involvement. To be honest, I’m not sure how I stand on that. I certainly do hope this is not the case. That would be very sad indeed.

          • corpus vile

            … Do you condemn Alex’s comments… or not dopre?

          • Dopre

            yes

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Dopre,

            On behalf of the human race, I’d like to say welcome.

            Corpus:

            Thank you for helping to make Dopre a better person.

          • Dopre

            You need to stay out of this. corpus was struggling him/herself with moral issues so to say corpus helped me see the light is BS. I knew Alex’s comment was not something I agreed with, but I find it repugnant that any of you would even go there after the crap I have witnessed coming from the PGP.
            Ghislane is the dog you all lie with. I can’t even begin to list all of the horrendous things this one poster has said as I’ve watched you people run around from forum to forum giving her high fives for them.
            You have NO moral ground to stand on so keep you dam gloating to yourself.

          • corpus vile

            Yes he does as I have never once seen EG make such attacks. We share a commonality here all three of us that such attacks should not take place regardless of who makes them. Let’s just leave it at that Dopre. I’m not struggling with any moral issues either btw.

          • Dopre

            Are you really trying to move the goal post there corpus? After I gave you what you wanted…apparently very, very much?
            EG is every bit as culpable as you when it comes to turning a blind eye to what some of your buddies do in the name of justice. I have already used a prime example of it to. It’s here on this thread for crying out loud.
            I gave you what you wanted out of decency and integrity to my word. Defending your friends need to gloat is BS

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Dopre,

            Each of us has now condemned someone from the other side for being out of line. You see how easy it can be? And for the record, I was not gloating.

          • Dopre

            Welcome to the human race is not gloating?
            Thank you for making dopre a better person isn’t a dig?
            Remove it please.

          • corpus vile

            No it isn’t a dig as you kept refusing at first and then you also showed some decency which was appreciated. Why don’t you just let it go?

          • Dopre

            corpus, I didn’t feel the need to bend to your will simply to satisfy you! I do not need someone getting all up in my face, like you did yesterday, to tell me what to think or help me “see the light”. I knew the minute I read what Alex wrote that it was wrong.
            But, how does someone navigate the hypocrisy of such a demand coming from people who do not possess the wherewithal to do likewise when they see it happen from their perspective, indeed it is even applauded? Why do we need to secede to your demands in light of this fact?
            You mentioned Grimbal yourself, meaning you have witnessed what that maniac does on threads and NO ONE from the top down says boo to the guy. He posts all the time on TJMK. Does anyone have the moral fortitude to kick that guys backside? NO! It is quietly accepted. There is no one I have EVER witnessed going to that extreme who has spoke of killing one of the Kerchers or a supporter over this.
            I’m sorry, I thought you were being a hypocrite yesterday and I still think that.

          • corpus vile

            I never said you were bending to my will, I asked you to show some decency, which yet again you did, dunno why you’re getting so hung up on this. Nor am I a hypocrite as besides Ghislane, I proactively mentioned Grimbal & condemned his comments. Besides this is detracting from the discussion, so I’m not commenting on this issue again.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Dopre,

            You’re taking yourself too seriously now. What I wrote was in a light-hearted spirit. I don’t really think that you weren’t a member of the human race. I wouldn’t think that that would need to be said.

          • corpus vile

            I’m not gloating, I’m merely telling you he has never made attacks such as the ones you mention. This is a public forum anyone can join in in the convo.
            I was hoping you’d show some human decency. You did show some. Let’s not ruin the moment…

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Dopre,

            I don’t know what PGP is and I don’t know who Ghislane is, but if this Ghislane has, as you put it, said horrendous things, then I’ll gladly condemn her.

          • Dopre

            Her new aka is santabelle. Ghislane was her pen name before she was banned by disqus.
            Do you know who she is?

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Yes, I do know Santabelle, but off hand I don’t recall her saying anything really over the top. Do you have examples of it? I’d just like to be sure of what I’m condemning.

          • Dopre

            EG…..OMG!!! Every time she invades a thread she opens a can of worms. How can you not see it?
            Okay….she used a racial term when she spoke of Latinos Wetb###s. She has done it multiple times.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Well, all right. I don’t remember reading anything from her about Latinos. But can I trouble you to reproduce her four or five worst posts so I can judge for myself?

          • Dopre

            No….you can’t. I am not inclined to jump your hurdles. You know who she is, you have witnessed how far she will go. She posted the comment on an old CNN thread and she has repeated it elsewhere. If you have not seen the thread then one of your friends has.
            I gave you an example of her vitriol that even corpus has acquiesced to, but it appears you were clearly not interested.
            Simply put either you do or you do not condemn her comment about Latinos.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Are you talking about someone named Grimbal? Is that the same as Ghislane, or a different person? Anyway, I do recall reading some nasty posts by Grimbal elsewhere, and the worst of those should be condemned of course.

            As for the Latino comment, my apologies for not being so sharp, but I really don’t know what the missing letters are that the hash marks are supposed to represent.

          • corpus vile

            Thank you. Appreciated.

    • SR Bach

      Vortex:

      Did you FORGET TO INCLUDE any actual facts or PROOF to support your “ball-playing” theory when you posted this?

      Once again, you can always spot a Groupie by the way they express themselves. How often they will resort to making ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS!

      e.g. Vortex writes:
      “Everyone knows this is about protecting Italian Police corruption and abuse.”

      I do fear for Groupies and their tenuous grasp of reality. It’s bad enough now, but what will happen once the final judgment is rendered?

      I’m not at all fearful for Theodore Simon, however.

      Simon will do what he can with the case, given what little he has to work with.

      But it won’t be a crushing blow for him when he loses. He’s lost other infamous cases. There will be other crimes and other “high-profile” clients to work for. He’ll easily “go on with his life.”

      But what about the remaining members of the Knox Cult?

  • vortex

    The Italian Prosecution theories about this murder contains more “staging” than I
    have ever seen, a “staged burglary”, a “staged rape”, a “staged victim
    discovery”, etc.
    The evidence is that an easily accessible window is broken by a rock laying on the floor inside the room that was obviously thrown from the outside of the room, the
    body of a dead woman is surrounded by fingerprints and footprints of a known
    burglar, the vagina of the dead woman contains the DNA of the known burglar,
    there is a semen stain on the floor under the buttocks of the dead woman, the
    burglar whose DNA, fingerprints, etc, were found inside of and around the dead
    woman admits that he was there when the woman was stabbed and fled the murder
    scene without calling for help and leaves the country.
    Italian Prosecutors think that this evidence points to the guilt of two people who have
    no history of violence, have never said or done anything that suggests they dislike
    the victim, have absolutely no reason to kill the dead woman, because the Italians think that there is a “staged burglary”, a “staged rape”, and a “staged victim discovery”.
    Even though a nine year old child would see that there was a burglary, rape, and murder, the Italian Justice System seems to think that the rest of the world will
    accept their contention that the woman was stabbed by a person who left no trace of her presence in the murder room.
    The only thing “staged” about this whole situation is the politically motivated “staged
    framing” of these two innocents by the coordinated efforts of the whole corrupt
    and self-serving Italian Judiciary.

    • corpus vile

      Yet Guede left no trace of himself in “the burglary” room as in the room where Knox left her blood mixed in with Meredith’s.

      You can’t have it both ways.

      • Chief Inspector EG

        I hope Vortex doesn’t mind if I answer for him:

        “Yes, I can have it both ways. Don’t tell me what I can and can’t have.”

        • corpus vile

          Let’s not forget witches, keystone cops and how it was all due to corruption & anti Americanism.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Just like they bungled their way through the Baroque and Renaissance eras (with their silly art, architecture, opera, literature, etc.) as well as the time of the Roman Empire when they conquered much of the known world despite their incompetence. They just can’t do anything right.

  • hikertom

    All you need to know about this case is that there is no evidence of any kind that Amanda Knox was ever in the room where the murder occurred. How could she have participated in a hand-to-hand struggle to the death with a knife in a little room without leaving even the slightest trace behind? It just isn’t possible.

    Rudy Guede’s DNA, finger prints, hand prints, foot prints, hair follicles, etc. were all over that room because he was there. Ms. Knox was clearly not present.

    Guilters claim to have a “mountain of evidence” that Amanda is guilty. The truth is that they don’t even have a mole hill. It’s nothing but a big pile of conjecture and sophistry. A hundred times zero is still zero. A thousand times zero is still zero. All the prosecution has is a big 300+ pages of zeros that don’t amount to anything.

    • SR Bach

      Spoken like the typical “broken record” Knox Groupie who embraces hype and paid PR spin, in favor of original court documents and the findings of the Massei Report.

      Tom, I wish I could assure you that “ignorance is bliss.” But, in this instance, I can’t.

      When the final court judgment is rendered, I sense the Knox Groupies will plunge into a hopeless state of agony and despair– even more desperate than Knox’s and Sollecito’s.

      • hikertom

        Until about 2 years ago I assumed that Amanda Knox & Raffaele Sollecito were guilty. But when I delved into the case I couldn’t find even one piece of solid evidence that they are guilty.

        I read the Massei report and found it to full of speculation, sloppy police work, and unrecorded coerced interrogations without legal counsel.

        The evidence clearly indicates that Rudy Guede was the sole assailant.

        I suspect that you and many other guilters will plunge into a hopeless state of despair when the case against Raffaele is dropped and the U.S. refuses to extradite Amanda.

        • Chief Inspector EG

          I can hardly believe that this was written with anything remotely resembling a straight face.

          • corpus vile

            Hiker c&p’s the same response on multiple sites/forums. Their objections are always vague generalities which don’t have any substance when subjected to objective scrutiny. His objection re unrecorded interrogations for example is baseless as her “interrogation” if we want to call it that wouldn’t have been recorded in the US either. Textbook straw man tactics from him.
            Needless to say we both know her statement was in no way coerced, particularly as she left the innocent man she falsely accused languishing in prison for two weeks.

          • hikertom

            Whether Amanda’s interrogations would have been recorded in the U.S. is irrelevant. That fact is that without a recording we have no way of confirming the level of coercion to which Ms. Knox was subjected or who brought up Mr. Lumumba’s name during the interrogation.

          • corpus vile

            No it’s actually very relevant as whether or not interrogations should be recorded is an entirely separate issue and different discussion in itself.
            The argument isn’t whether or not interrogations everywhere should be recorded or not- I happen to think they should be- but whether or not it was required to record interrogations in Italy & whether her rights were violated due to thi not being done..
            Recordings aren’t required in interrogations in either Italy or America. Therefore had Knox had have been interrogated for the same crime in America, her interrogation wouldn’t have been recorded there either, so ultimately it’s an irrelevant matter & not a valid objection, which is why I called it a straw man.

            We do indeed have a way of ascertaining whether or not her interrogation was coerced. We have Knox’s own signed statement at 1.45 am, with Knox arriving shortly before 11pm & the interpreter arriving at 12.30 am. Meaning Knox’s questioning lasted around an hour an 15 minutes if even that.
            Even if we give Knox the full benefit of the doubt, we still have a questioning of less than three hours.
            Furthermore Knox’s statements contained details even the cops didn’t know at the time.
            She claimed Patrick had sex with Meredith. Cops didn’t find out until two days later that Meredith suffered a sexual assault.
            She claimed she met Patrick at the basketball court at around 9.30 am, which is exactly where an independent witness puts her at the same time.
            She claims she heard Meredith scream, which was also supported by an independent witness and claimed she heard thuds, while later examination of Meredith revealed she had injuries consistent with her head being hit against the wardrobe.
            She falsely accused Patrick yet got the race of another attacker correct with the cops being unaware of Guede at the time.
            So no she wasn’t coerced, her lies were all based around facts and details that nobody knew at the time.
            To entertain that she was coerced means one must disregard all these details & support of witness & forensic evidence or put them down to an absolute slew of coincidences.
            Nobody viewing this rationally & objectively is buying that.
            Certainly not cops or jury members.
            It’s one of the many things that convicted her & rightly so. She’s truly guilty as sin, as is Sollecito & Guede and all would have been convicted in any free nation.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            “But she doesn’t fit the profile of a murderer and had no prior history of violence, so she must be innocent. Also, she’s American and sexually active, so everyone must have been out to frame her for that.”

            — Amanda’s fans

          • corpus vile

            Yeah I have to agree with SR on his comments re Amanda’s supporters lacking critical thinking.

            They don’t seem to find anything suspicious in her statement at all. It’s all everyone’s fault but hers.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Yes, funny how it’s always someone else who is lying through their teeth and Amanda’s version, no matter how illogical or contradictory, is the one that should be believed.

          • corpus vile

            Regardless of which version she gives, such as the seven different versions she gave for falsely claiming she was slapped for example.

          • hikertom

            The police brought up Mr. Lumumba’s name during the interrogation after they found a text message to him on Amanda’s cell phone. They convinced her that he was the assailant, so she didn’t lie when she said that he was the killer. She thought it was true. And since she wasn’t at the crime scene she had no way of knowing that it wasn’t true.

            To say that this happened after only an hour of interrogation is untrue. This was on the fifth day of interrogation. She was exhausted and easily coerced. The interrogation went on from 10pm to 6am. And she then wrote a note questioning the veracity of what she said.

            Your statement that her knowledge that Meredith screamed proves that she was there is ridiculous. Of course she screamed. Who wouldn’t under the circumstances?

            12 trained and well-rested police officers against one scared and exhausted 20 year old girl in a foreign country without legal counsel and you are going to side with the police. Pathetic.

          • corpus vile

            Not according to Knox on page 84 of her own book where she claims she first mentioned him to the interpreter.
            Did you even read my post?
            If she wasn’t at the crime scene she shouldn’t have known the details she knew, yet she did which again was supported b y evidence.
            It wasn’t on the fifth day of interrogation, what you’re saying is completely untrue. She wasn’t even required to be at the station that night, they wished to question Sollecito.
            Knox said she was having her dinner with Sollecito at 10pm, she wasn’t at the station then.
            No she wrote out a five page statement standing by what she said while trying to leave her options open actually, I’ve read it many times.
            No, your insistence of disregarding all of these details which were supported by witnesses is ridiculous.

            There weren’t 12 cops interrogating her either, this is simply put out by the likes of Steve Moore & her other supporters.
            She wasn’t exhausted, she’d just had dinner & was fresh enough to do gymnastics while Sollecito was being questioned.
            I’m going by what the overall totality tells us.
            As I said nobody viewing this objectively is buying what you or her supporters say for a second.
            You’re completely disregarding all the details & discrepancies and records showing her signed statement.

            I’ll let ordinary people make up their own minds as to which sounds more logical.

          • vortex

            Your reasoning is pathetic: are you an Italian Judge?
            You have no way of knowing that Knox was not coerced unless you are one of the Nazi trained Big Brother Cops that beat these statements out of Knox, because the Italian Cops made sure that there was no record of the event: Just the lies of the self serving Italian Police, who said they beat out of Knox the facts that “they knew to be true”, which is their own
            words.
            “her lies were all based around facts and details that
            nobody knew at the time”
            This is typical word play of the Knox haters and Italian judges.
            There are no “FACTS” in her statements.
            Patrick was NOT at the Basketball court at 9:30, so that is NOT A FACT.
            Patrick was not at the Cottage, so that is NOT a fact.
            Patrick did not have sex with Meredith, NOT a fact.
            “Cops didn’t find out until two days later that Meredith suffered a sexual assault” is hogwash, although if what you are saying is that it is normal for the Italian Police to find a victim that
            was stripped, her legs forced apart, with a semen stain underneath her vagina, and they are too stupid to realize that the attack was a sexual assault, there might be some who would agree with the Stupid Police part.
            No one knows if she screamed, because the ITALIAN JUDGES REFUSED to allow a test to verify that the senile old woman who was recruited by the Italian press to testify against Knox could POSSIBLY have heard a scream from her room(several tests by news agencies tests contended that it was impossible but Italian JUDGEs refused to allow the tests to be performed).
            “Got the race of another attacker right”, so the Italian Police
            could substitute the appropriate person of color, NOT a FACT.
            This Judicial Framing could ONLY happen in Italy, where the weasels that compose the Italian Judiciary have shown that “the reputation of incompetent and corrupt Italian Cops is more important than the truth”.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Whenever I see someone start with “Until about 2 years ago I assumed that …” or some variation, I think, “Oh, bloody hell. This is either going to be about Jesus or a used car or Amanda.” Of course, it always turns out to be about Amanda when it’s under an article related to her, but I can’t help but think that a majority of people would prefer that the person try to sell us Jesus or a used car because, of the three, she’s by far the hardest sell and the sales pitch is invariably the most insincere and fake.

  • Dopre

    It’s hard not to read the questions posed to Simon by this journalist and not read some level of condemnation in the context.
    Why would that be? Furthermore, how does it coax the reader to draw their own conclusions?

    • SR Bach

      Come on, Dopre. Let’s not start trying to convince people that this is “hard news.” It’s a Philadelphia magazine feature story, designed to be a light, trite one-page Ted Simon fluff piece. Everybody knows that.

      And interviewer Simon Van Zuylen-Wood isn’t pretending to have any real knowledge of the case. So whether you want to read “some level of condemnation in the context” it doesn’t matter!

      He’s just trying to elicit colorful answers from Ted Simon so the magazine can publish an interview that attracts reader attention. He has succeeded in doing this! And Ted gets his free publicity.

      Notice how slippery Ted Simon avoids answering Van Zuylen-Wood’s direct question:

      “Is this trial ever going to end?”

      Ted knows the answer to that, Ted knows that Knox is doomed, but he doesn’t want to admit it, so he doesn’t!

      Instead of answering the question posed to him, Ted Simon changes the subject by responding:

      “There’s only one thing that is consistent about this particular case:
      There’s a compelling and profound absence of evidence. It’s a nightmare
      that should end, and it’s completely and wholly unjust.”

      • Dopre

        Oh give it a rest Soph. What would you expect a defendant’s lawyer to say?
        “Yah, she’s so scr e wed”
        As far as the reporters intent? I suppose we should all secede to the inevitable. It’s all about working the angles in journalism anymore. The more innuendo the better to get the ad revenue flowing. Give the people their slop and they will come.
        I h ate fluff pieces. Especially those that help facilitate a backlash of hatred against another human being regardless of the ambiguity surrounding the story. Someday maybe you’ll agree.

    • corpus vile

      He was retained, obviously he’s going to condemn.

  • hikertom

    WAS THERE REALLY MORE THAN ONE ASSAILANT?
    Pathologist Luca Lalli, who performed the autopsy on Meredith Kercher, testified under cross examination during the Massei trial that Kercher’s injuries were fully consistent with an assault by one strong man who swiftly overpowered her. So where did the idea come from that there was more than one assailant?

    The assumption that Rudy Guede did not act alone was never proven or even investigated but merely stipulated as fact by mutual agreement of prosecution and defense at Guede’s trial. The judge commented that evidence was not necessary because “common sense and logic tell us [Amanda and Raffaele] were involved.” Amanda and Raffaele were not allowed to attend or present evidence at Rudy’s trial.

    When the Supreme Court finalized Guede’s conviction, the stipulated involvement of Amanda and Raffaele acquired an ontological reality perceived in the metaphysics of Italian law as a kind of “immutable legal fact.” And thus the Supreme Court ruled Hellmann’s subsequent acquittal of Knox/Sollecito “illogical”.

    None of this had anything to do with evidence. Nencini offers zero evidence that “Knox delivered the fatal blow”; he is merely speculating in ways compatible with stipulated “legal facts”. The forensic evidence says Knox and Sollecito were not there that night, but the ISC ruled that this is “illogical” because it collides with the stipulated fact of their participation.

    The stupidity of the Nencini motivation is an embarrassment to Italy. He wrote what he must to please the Supreme Court and preserve his career. This is not justice but politics. It would be an insult to submit such nonsense to the United States as grounds for extradition.

    • corpus vile

      I can’t see the US denying extradition should their convictions be finalized & a request is made. Multiple attackers was proven, hence the multiple convictions.

      • Dopre

        How were multiple attackers proven corpus? Lalli could not testify that it was a fact. Lalli….remember him? The guy who performed the autopsy?
        The prosecution paid for that testimony by Dr. Liviero.

        • corpus vile

          Lalli testified that there were multiple attackers.
          I’ve already gone over this with you before several times Dopre and am not explaining to you yet again how facts are established in a court of law.

          • Dopre

            No, actually you haven’t gone over this with me. Is scientific testimony never disputable? How about when the intent is to validate an opinion by eliciting testimony from a paid expert with no affiliation to the investigation?
            Be careful there corpus. It’s a slippery slope.

  • SR Bach

    Dopre:

    When a murder suspect flees, his or her flight
    is frequently seen as an indicator of guilt. But it’s wrong to say that
    ALL– or even the majority of murderers– flee.

    The converse is also true. Because it is equally suspicious to investigators and
    criminal profilers for killers to hang around the crime scene, or RETURN
    TO THE SCENE OF THEIR CRIME, under the guise of “needing to help the
    police.”

    This type of killer stays as close as he or she can to
    investigators. Often these are killers who HAVE CLOSE TIES TO THE
    VICTIM–like a spouse, friend, lover, family member or roommate.

    Killers who have that intimate connection with the victim are well aware that
    police ALWAYS investigate those closest to the victim first. FOR A
    FRIEND OF THE VICTIM, fleeing would raise a big red flag; it would raise
    investigators’ suspicions.

    So that kind of killer stays close by and pretends to want to “help the police.”

    Of course, they don’t really want to “help” the police. They only want to know what the police KNOW. They need the control.

    Not all killers flee. That is a myth.

    Why didn’t Knox and Sollecito didn’t flee? Because, for one reason, they were arrogant enough to think they could get away with the murder and the other crimes.

    And so felt Scott Peterson, well, right up until the end. He didn’t flee because he thought he, the loving husband with no prior record of violent behavior, could get away with the murder.

    When he had no other option left, Peterson felt he HAD TO flee law enforcement.

    Furthermore, Knox and Sollecito didn’t want to go on the run!
    Both were enjoying themselves immensely in Perugia, and they wanted to continue to do so!

    Sollecito’s sister was a member of the Carabinieri. Because Raffaele knew about her
    professional experiences, Sollecito was more savvy than the average
    person about how REAL (not fictional) criminal investigations are
    conducted.

    And Sollecito himself had had his narcotic-related
    run-ins with the police in his home town– in Puglia. He felt his
    knowledge and his own criminal experiences would serve him well in
    getting away with the murder.

    Sollecito’s reasoning: Who would EVER suspect the brother of a
    Carabiniere and the son of a physician–especially when “the black guy”
    had left enough evidence on the scene.

    Knox and Sollecito both thought they had likely outsmarted the police.

    Hence the giddy, hypersexual celebratory behavior of these two callous perps, just after Meredith was killed.

    Hypersexuality of the perps (and inappropriate non-reacting to the tragedy) is another red flag for investigators.

    (You may remember that the “grieving” Scott Peterson signed up for a TV porn
    channel, just days after Laci went missing. While Scott was conducting
    his affair.)

  • http://www.truejustice.org/ Antonio Curatolo

    #MeredithKercher case: #AmandaKnox lawyer Ted Simon b4 & after being hired.

    Then: http://t.co/tfP8R2FN3d
    Now: http://t.co/bmCNIPEnr2

    • vortex

      Nice Antonio, a whole page of blank spaces.
      Reminds me of the Italian Evidence in this case: Nothing.

      • Chief Inspector EG

        Right you are, Vortex. No evidence whatsoever apart from the 30 meticulously written judges reports and 10,000 pages of irrefutable evidence against St Amanda.

        • corpus vile

          It’s really pathetic they’re still regurgitating the same old refuted mantras & memes at this stage.
          The “no evidence” mantra is probably the most pathetic.

          • vortex

            30 reports filled with obvious Non sequiturs and
            10,000 pages of media lies does not amount to any evidence

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Vortex,

            This just isn’t true. What proof do you have that the judges based their conclusions on media reports and not on what transpired in court? Isn’t this just wishful thinking on your part?

          • corpus vile

            It’s not even wishful thinking, it’s desperate straw clutching.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            I wonder if they’re not aware that the PR campaign is already in disarray and that there is considerable infighting between the Knox and Sollecito camps.

          • corpus vile

            Bruce Fischer on IIP was attempting damage limitation in regard to Michelle’s tweets to Sollecito & on ground report they were saying that it was a fake account by a “guilter”, lol.
            Her supporters simply come across as unbalanced at this stage.

    • Julie Kaye Jorgensen

      This video has obviously been altered. The words do not match his lips as he is speaking. Why does the opposition feel the need to constantly come up with fake or altered evidence?

  • vortex

    There is not one scintilla of evidence that Amanda Knox ever disliked Meredith Kercher and no witnesses EVER testified that Amanda ever disliked Meredith or wished her ill in any way.
    None. Amanda never spoke ill of Meredith. NO WITNESSES.
    All of this aggression and motives ascribed to Amanda is completely baseless
    imaginings by the lunatics who hate Knox for no reason.
    No Italian decision has ever attributed a motive to Amanda to kill Meredith, the best they did was say that Amanda “made a choice for evil”, which is equivalent to the baseless rants of those who hate Knox.
    They need to attack Knox to draw attention away from the incompetent and corrupt Italian police, who, by not locking up Rudy Guede after he committed numerous burgleries and threatened the burglary victims with knives, allowed Rudy to remain out of jail so he could rape and murder Meredith Kercher just a few days later.

    • Chief Inspector EG

      Vortex,

      What a pity you weren’t in court to help defend St Amanda’s innocence and purity. If you had only read out to the court what you just wrote, eloquent and powerful and moving as it is, I’m sure they would have immediately released her. Then all this lunacy of baseless hatred for Amanda all these years could have been avoided, and instead we could be discussing the location and size in Perugia of the statue to be erected in St Amanda’s honour.

      • vortex

        What a pity that the Italian police did not prevent Rudy from raping and killing Meredith.

        • corpus vile

          All three killers were caught in no time, so I’m not sure what your point is here. This is real life, it isn’t the film Minority Report. Cops can’t predict murders, they simply do their best to solve them when they happen which is what they did here.

          • vortex

            The Italian Police “BEST” has been shown to be incompetant and corrupt, and no matter what bogus excuses you make for the Italian Cops, the Italian Cops made it possible for Guede to kill Meredith.
            Keep making excuses for your employers, trolls.

          • corpus vile

            How so? You’ve yet to provide anything remotely credible or indeed coherent to back up your lunacy, and are now accusing others on this thread of being involved in this conspiracy. You’re clearly unblanced.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            It’s not all bad, Corpus. Think of the high entertainment value that Vortex is supplying free of charge.

          • corpus vile

            True, combined with this & their various Ground Report comments, they’ve provided much merriment.

    • hikertom

      vortex:
      Well said. The Perugia police are largely responsible for the death of Ms. Kercher by arranging to have Rudy Guede released from jail in Milan less than a week before the murder of Ms. Kercher. If they hadn’t intervened Meredith would still be alive today.

      Amanda Knox & Raffaele Sollecito were framed in order to deflect culpability away from the incompetent Perugia police.

      • corpus vile

        You guys do this all the time. It’s already been pointed out that Guede was released on the equivalent of police bail as happens in many countries. You simply rinse & repeat, rehashing already refuted points. It does nothing for your argument and has you coming across as a bunch of conspiracy theorists.

        • vortex

          You guys do this all the time.
          You admit that “Guede was released on the equivalent of police bail” so Rudy would be free in Perugia to rape and murder Meredith.
          OK, so you agree with me.
          But I think that the Italian Police should have watched him
          more closely and not have lovingly adopted him as the “Poor Rudy “ poster boy of the Italian prosecutors after he murdered Meredith.
          But giving Rudy a slap on the wrist sentence in the kangaroo court in exchange for Rudy lying about the American Witch was more important in the effort to white wash the Italian Judiciary.
          I understand that you are being paid to hide the corruption and incompetence of the Italian Judiciary from the world, but with SO MUCH corruption and incompetence in the Italian Judiciary, you really have your work cut out for you.

          • corpus vile

            No I didn’t “admit” to anything as I’ve said right from the start that people get released on bail for minor offences all the time in lots of countries. You’re trying to make out this standard practice by various police forces throughout the world is some form of conspiracy with nothing to back it up as well as alleging that the Italian judiciary are paying me.
            You have yet to give any basis for a kangaroo court and are yet again using weird baseless hyperbole about witches. You’ve yet to give any basis for how their trial was infused with corruption.
            You simply dislike the verdict but can’t offer any objection why.
            Basically you’re coming across as extremely paranoid, really.

          • vortex

            You are losing it again.
            How “were they smart enough to pull off the most
            astounding criminal conspiracy of the century?”
            Easy, they “leaked” endless lies about the
            American Witch and then enlisted the aid of the tabloid press AND endless paid internet trolls like you to hide the responsibility of the Italian Police for letting Rudy out to kill Meredith by concentrating all the news on the American
            Witch.
            Remember, they ARE the Italian police.
            Knox was called a witch in court, and a lot worse in the tabloid
            press.
            Anyone who even hints at the Italian police corruption is thrown
            in jail.
            You and your sock puppet EG are good at calling other posters names but you are mighty short on facts.

          • corpus vile

            First of all I didn’t make that (very valid) first point you mentioned and attempted to counterpoint, that was SR Bach..
            Secondly I just wish to make sure I’m reading you correctly here.
            You’re saying that these incompetent bumbling keystone corrupt Italian cops hated some student because she was American and they apparently thought she was a witch. They then got the media involved who also clearly hated Knox for being American and a witch.
            They then contacted me and paid me to defend their anti Americanism and exposure of witches, while all the while being engaged in another separate conspiracy with the sole killer Guede for… some reason and this conspiracy with Guede, involved arresting him, bringing him to trial and giving him the maximum sentence they could give him.
            As well as this they jail anyone who even hints at police corruption when not engaging in nefarious conspiracies with the media, one of the killers, myself and my “sock puppet” EG.
            Parallel to these independent multiple conspiracies, contamination also occurred.
            Did I get that right?

            As opposed to the cops solving a murder involving three people based on forensic, circumstantial & behavioural evidence?

            Has it occurred to you that people reading what you just posted could be forgiven for thinking that you’re trolling, or else on serious drugs, Or else pathologically paranoid, or a combination of the latter two?

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Corpus,

            It’s time to come clean. I know I have a lesser role as just your sock puppet, but I want to clear my conscience here and now and admit that absolutely everything that Vortex has just accused us and the various Italian authorities of is the truth, every last word.

            Let’s stop pretending. Vortex is obviously a person of rare genius and insight and has just blown the lid off our elaborate conspiracy to get Amanda and get her good, so it’s only fair that he be rewarded by a full admission of our evil, wicked, sinister plot to deprive an innocent person–that would be Amanda– of her liberty.

            Vortex, can you ever forgive us?

          • corpus vile

            Curse his flawless and inarguable logic. We may as well come clean. I’m not sure how he sussed it all out as I thought this conspiracy was foolproof, but Vortex via his cool deducing and awesome analysis exposed the whole thing.
            I suspect witchcraft as nobody could be that clever.
            I’m also blaming you EG you should have been a better co-conspirator, there I’ve said it.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Curse you, Corpus. How was I to know someone as clever as Vortex was going to come along? That’s something none of us could have foreseen. Not you, not me, not any of our other operatives, not our local bureau chief Luigi and not even Mignini himself whose orders we’re under.

            Are you going to tell Luigi our cover’s been blown, or do you want me to? Actually, last time I tried reporting to him with an operational update, the line was either busy all evening or there was no answer. It got me to thinking that maybe he got advance word about Vortex being on to us and he high-tailed it back to Italy. Either that or business was really brisk at his pizzeria.

            Oh, damn. Now I’ve just revealed Luigi’s cover job. Well, nothing matters now. Nothing matters anymore. The best thing to do is to just pack up our operations and report back to Mignini in person with news of our fiasco. The old man is going to be in one hell of a mood when he realises the full extent of our failure, all thanks to Vortex.

          • corpus vile

            I don’t want to break this to Mignini, why do I have to get the s**t detail always? He’ll have me thrown in jail on some trumped up charge as that’s what he does! YOU’RE the one who’s telling our overlord, not me, no way Jose. I’m not impressed with Luigi either but I never liked that guy anyway & I hope his pizzeria goes bust.
            I’ll never forgive Vortex for this, the cool analytical spoilsport. He must have had Amanda’s witchery protecting him. :-(

          • Chief Inspector EG

            All right, that’s it, Corpus. You do your own dirty work; you explain to Mignini what went wrong, not me. I’m not taking any more orders from you. I’ve had it with you. It was your bungling that got us into this mess in the first place. Just because you outrank me — correction, used to outrank me, now that our operation’s shutting down thanks to Vortex exposing us–doesn’t mean you have the right to talk to me like this.

            And just for the record: remember that field operation we were on in the mountains a couple of months back? Well, that was sheer hell for me, just so you know it. It was one long weekend of “Do this, EG” and “Do that, EG.” Who do you think you are? A clucking mother hen? Furthermore, once when you were out taking a **** (you always seemed to have the runs, didn’t you, big man?), me and the rest of the agents took a vote for least popular member of the tent, and guess who won by unanimous decision? That’s right, lowlife maggot. It was YOU.

            So, just so you know it, I’ve had it with you. I’ve had it with Luigi and I’ve certainly had it with Mignini. I don’t care who knows it. I’m never going back to that fascist dictatorship where Mignini can get his claws on me. And one more thing. At least I had a conscience and knew from day one that what we were doing against those two innocent kids, Raffaele and Amanda, was wrong. But you, on the other hand, seemed to take a perverse pleasure in helping Mignini to persecute them. Well, there’s a psycho in every unit, they say, and in this case that’s certainly you. I just hope you get the treatment you deserve someday, X75B. That’s right, I’m even telling the world your code name. How do you like that?

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Vortex,

            At this point you sound like you’re doing a parody of a shallow, paranoid, xenophobic, narrow-minded Knox supporter. What do you gain by insulting people’s intelligence by claiming absurd things like Guede being the poster boy of the Italian prosecutors?

          • corpus vile

            I have to wonder if some of them are flat out trolling, it really does come across as a parody. I half hope it is, as the thought of people out there like this makes me shudder.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Yes, I’ll second that. What in God’s name will some of these people do with their lives when their heroine and idol is behind bars where she belongs?

          • corpus vile

            Attach themselves to some other killer, probably Arias.

          • vortex

            Did Giuliano Mignini call Rudy Guede “poor Rudy” or not?

          • vortex

            “Guede being the poster boy of the Italian prosecutors”
            It was the main prosecutor, Giuliano Mignini,who called him “poor Rudy”, and no doubt arranged for his slap on the wrist prison sentence for lying about AK and RS.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Yes, no doubt Mignini did that, and no doubt he is responsible for a lot of unexplained mysteries around the world. Tell me, Vortex: did you have a cat that disappeared a few years ago? Well, that was Mignini who must have been behind that.

          • SR Bach

            You are exactly right, EG. The remaining Knox Groupies DO sound like a parody of themselves.

            Almost seven years have come and gone since the murder of Meredith Kercher.

            Many different sorts of people have tried to claim all sorts of things, for all sorts of reasons.

            All of the speculation in the world is worthless IF IT CAN NOT BE backed up with proof.

            If anyone here has any knowledge or information that may help “exonerate” these perps, they really shouldn’t be spending their time here! They should contact Knox and Sollecito’s lawyers ASAP. The clock is ticking. Call/write/email your special knowledge to the lawyers–before the clock runs out!

            I’ve just recently learned that some people still have their pet theories about the murder of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. And by “pet theories”, I mean, people who will not believe The Juice could be guilty.

            According to OJ Simpson’s few remaining Groupies, he was “framed” by the police. I’m sure everybody remembers the arguments, no need to refresh people’s recollections about those Groupies.

      • Chief Inspector EG

        Hikertom,

        How do you explain the release of Patrick Lumumba? If they wanted to deflect culpability from their incompetence and were unwilling to admit a mistake, why would they have let him go?

        • corpus vile

          Also if Guede was the sole killer they wouldn’t need to frame two innocents to “save face” as they would have already caught their man. Knox supporters seem utterly unaware of these inconsistencies or else hope others are unaware of them.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Their reasoning can be summed up in the following words: “She’s innocent. She just is. Geez, ain’t it obvious?”

          • corpus vile

            Yep and very hard to have a debate with people with such a mindset, they’re already rehashing already covered points, for example. There’s apparently nobody home with them. She’s innocent just because, forever & ever Amen.
            I can only imagine their howls when they’re brought rudely crashing back to Earth & objective reality.

        • hikertom

          EG:
          It turned out that Patrick’s alibi was confirmed by witnesses at his bar. Besides, Mignini wanted to pin the blame on Ms. Knox because he was obsessed with Satanism and the occult. Amanda was the perfect “witch” for his witch hunt.

          • corpus vile

            No he wasn’t obsessed with Satanism and Satanism isn’t mentioned anywhere in her trial.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Well, St Amanda had an alibi (confirmed by Raffles) as well, didn’t she, Hikertom? If that was all that it took to get released, why wasn’t she released along with Lumumba? Oh, yes: it was all those lies and the hard evidence placing her at the scene of the crime, wasn’t it?

            And why are you repeating talking point #22 of Knox’s unscrupulous PR firm about the mythical obsession with Satanism and the occult? I’m very surprised that at this late date you still cling to PR lies like this that were put out in order to help manipulate public opinion. Well, I’m not exactly surprised that you would use a discredited PR lie like this, but I am surprised that you think that people will still buy it in 2014.

          • SR Bach

            Mignini has never mentioned Satanism as a motive in this murder. Never.

            Many Groupies STILL continue to repeat that as Gospel, yet they are never able to provide “a scintilla of evidence” to support their claim.

            It’s the same old, same old, different day, same BS.

            Once again, Prosecutor Mignini never said he thought Satanism was a motive in this murder. But that doesn’t stop Amanda Fans from repeating it like a mantra, again and again. And again…for seven years.

            Fortunately, the media has stopped repeating that and other misinformation that the Marriott PR firm used to spoon-feed them. With the passage of time, the mainstream media is starting to be more careful with reporting the truth, not automatically accepting the family’s take on matters, and/or the PR spin.

            But the Groupies will never let a lie get in the way of defending their little sweetheart murderer from Seattle.

            For the record, Raffaele Sollecito’s lawyer, Luca Maori was the person who mentioned “Satanism” as a possible motive–years ago. After that, Groupies started ascribing that quote to Mignini, because Mignini is a devout Catholic.

            Maybe Groupies think Catholics are obsessed with the devil?

            And the rest is history. It’s like an urban myth that never ends…

            After seven long years, I think it’s safe to say that the only people who seem to be obsessed with Satanism and witchcraft are… the Groupies.

        • vortex

          Not even the Italian Police are that stupid.
          Anyway, the Italian Police were after the American Witch

          • corpus vile

            I’m sorry is that your answer? Witches & anti Americanism despite them arresting a Congolese national & convicting an Italian and an Italian resident originally from the Ivory Coast?
            This is just ludicrous Hiker.

        • vortex

          Because they had another man of color to sustitute as a slave of the american witch

          • SR Bach

            Come on. Try to be at least somewhat serious.

            So now it’s the Italian police who are the racists? You’re now claiming the police wanted to frame a black guy, i.e., “they needed “another man of color.”

            The Italian police didn’t “need a man of color.”

            On the contrary, the evidence shows that AMANDA KNOX CLEARLY *DID* NEED “A MAN OF COLOR” to deflect attention from herself, while being questioned.

            Knox (the Creative Writing major) was the one who substituted one black man for another–i.,e, Patrick Lumumba for Rudy Guede.

      • SR Bach

        TUNNEL-VISION TOM does it again!

        Not only does Tom simply opine that the Eyetalians *framed* Poor St. Amanda, but this time Tunnel-vision Tom boldly states:

        “The Perugia police are largely responsible for the death of Ms. Kercher…”

        Oh, yeah–lock ‘em up and throw away the key! The Groupies would just love that!

        It seems that Amanda Groupies will allege ANYTHING to try to blame someone–ANYONE!!!!!!!! OTHER THAN Knox and Sollecito!

        Anyone is free to speculate as much as he or she wants to. But without ACTUAL PROOF, “conspiracy theories” are MEANINGLESS!

        If the police are all so “incompetent”, how in the world were they smart enough to pull off the most astounding criminal conspiracy of the century?

        For what possible gain? They had already released Lumumba when they realized Amanda Knox had lied to them, falsely accusing him of raping and murdering Meredith.

        (They already had Rudy Guede admitting to being present in the cottage. Why in the world would they “need” or WANT to complicate the case?)

        How could this “incompetent police” convince hundreds of people to go along with this elaborate ruse?

        • vortex

          You are losing it again.
          I will not allege anything, just the corruption, dirty tricks, and cover your butt tactics that the Italian Judiciary has used in this case.
          And Knock of the St Amanda red herring nonsense: This is about Italian corruption.
          How “were they smart enough to pull off the most astounding criminal conspiracy of the century?” Easy, they “leaked” endless lies about the American witch and then enlisted the aid of the tabloid press AND to hide the responsibility of teh Italian Police for letting Rudy out to kill meredith by concentrating all the news on the American Witch.
          They wanted to complicate teh case to draw attention away from mishandling the investigation and sprininging Rude from jail in Milan so Rudy could murder meredith.

          • corpus vile

            So now they wished Guede to murder Meredith and sprang him from jail so he could do this? How do you post while clearly wearing a strait jacket?

          • SR Bach

            Woah, Nellie. I mean, woah, VORTEX!

            You’re alleging that the Judges base their decision on tabloid LIES ?

            You claim tabloid reports that printed “Amanda Knox was a witch” made the Italian judges deliberate they way they did?!

            In order to prove that, you’ll have to at least demonstrate PROVEN LIES in Massei’s Summary of Judgment (MOTIVAZIONI).

            I often had to wonder WHY some US juries decide the way they do. Sometimes we will never learn why.

            However, in Italy, you and I don’t need to WONDER or SPECULATE. It’s all there in black and white, for us to read and learn from.

            This is NOT the entire court transcript from Knox’s criminal trial.

            It is a LEGALLY-BASED summary (NOT TABLOID REPORT) of the reasons WHY the court decided to convict Sollecito and Knox of the murder of Meredith Kercher, IN COMPLICITY WITH RUDY GUEDE.

            Yes, it’s a summary. But there are 427 pages to read, so take your time, digesting it all.

            If you want to be taken seriously in your attempt to save Knox, you will have to argue against the evidence and the reasoning of the Massei Court, not the tabloids!

          • SR Bach

            And so, Vortex, to summarize your key points:

            1. “You are losing it again.”
            2. “I will not allege anything, just the corruption, dirty tricks, and cover
            your butt tactics that the Italian Judiciary has used in this case.”
            3. “…they “leaked” endless lies about the American witch and then enlisted the aid of the tabloid press AND toe the responsibility of teh Italian Police for letting Rudy out to
            kill meredith by concentrating all the news on the American Witch…”

            Is that about right, Vortex?

            It should be, because I’ve just quoted you back, verbatim.

            However, this last point I don’t understand:

            “And Knock of the St Amanda red herring nonsense…”

            I DO know what a “red herring” is, but I DO NOT understand what you meant by the “Knock of the St Amanda?”

    • corpus vile

      No it’s baseless to suggest that people “hate Amanda for no reason”. It’s emotive baseless hyperbole. I don’t hate Amanda Knox I don’t even know her. I simply agree with the court’s verdict. You can’t trump the mountain of evidence which she was convicted on & can’t find any inherent legal flaws or unfairness in her trial so attack everything else and use weak emotive arguments to do so, such as people hating her, including the judges, juries & cops which is utterly nonsensical. Your corruption combined with incompetence accusation is also baseless and nonsensical.

      • vortex

        Are you saying that the judges, juries, and cops did NOT hate the American Witch?
        “incompetence accusation is also baseless and nonsensical”??????
        The court was roaring in laughter during the video of the pathetic spectacle of the fumbling kabuki dance that was supposed to be a modern police evidence gathering procedure. And this was an Italian Court where the laughter was roaring.
        You are really losing it: you should get a grip.

        • corpus vile

          Yes.
          Yes.
          No they weren’t, contamination was merely hypothesised on and your contention that contamination AND corruption AND anti Americanism all occurred at the same time is laughable and again has you coming across as very paranoid.
          Your contention that watching a video proves contamination is just plain ludicrous, sorry.
          You’re also projecting btw, I’m not the one espousing mad conspiracy theories here, you are, so it’s you who appears to be losing it and seriously need to get a grip on reality Vortex. Does your icon’s cause no good at all.

        • Chief Inspector EG

          Where did you hear that the court was roaring with laughter during the showing of a video? If there was laughter, I’ll bet it was from the Knox-Mellas clan. I would also bet that this is the likely source of your information.

      • guest

        this would be funny if it all wasn’t so tragic. ludicrous, a frame job from hell.

    • SR Bach

      Vortex:

      Why do you assume that killers close to the victim openly broadcast or even ADMIT their hostility/envy and/or resentment/need for vengence– prior to committing murder? Haven’t you ever heard of killers… “snapping?”

      No one can know with certainty what Amanda was thinking during the attack on Meredith Kercher.

      No one will know what thoughts Knox wrote down in her diary because the diary pages for the entire month before Meredith was killed (OCTOBER 2007) were all mysteriously ripped out and thrown away. Never to be seen again.

      You state that there is not one scintilla of evidence that Amanda disliked Meredith. THIS IS NOT TRUE.

      AND-If you can say with a straight face that Amanda Knox’s cold-blooded disturbingly antisocial behavior witnessed by numerous people after (giggling, cartwheels, hot sex talk, her cruel “f’ing bled to death” comment, etc.) is consistent with having WARM FEELINGS, GRIEF–or even BASIC RESPECT SHOWN TOWARDS HER “GOOD FRIEND”, then you must be lost in some serious denial.

      By ALL accounts, Meredith Kercher was a good friend to many and a kind and considerate flatmate. Not even Amanda denies this.

      But Amanda never talks about what a good friend and flatmate she was to MEREDITH! Because she wasn’t!

      No one can deny that there was friction between Amanda and Meredith. There are witnesses who have confirmed this. This friction was caused by Amanda being a thoughtless, insensitive flatmate–in addition to being someone who embarrassed people in Perugia, with her loudness and crassness (and pouring a drink over a DJ, once) when she went out with them.

      Amanda, an outgoing woman, failed to make female friends while in Perugia.
      It wasn’t just Meredith. Why didn’t Amanda make any female friends in Perugia?

      Of course, the only thing fellow students from her classes could remember was of her boasting was she “could have any man she wanted.”

      Knox’s refusal to do her share of the chores, and having to be reminded to clean her feces from the toilet that she shared with Meredith must have been exasperating for Meredith. Knox bringing “strange men” into the home that Meredith shared with Amanda was more evidence of her selfishness, and reveals Knox’s pattern of insensitivity towards Meredith’s feelings.

      Where are the photographs that Knox sent to people–of Meredith? Not even one has ever surfaced. Yes, Knox’s hard drive was not recovered, but surely there is an email, a photo Knox would have sent of her “good friend” Meredith? How about at the Chocolate Festival? Not one photo has ever surfaced of Amanda and Meredith together.

      If Amanda Knox treats her friends the way she treated “good friend” Meredith Kercher–both before and AFTER Meredith’s murder…I’d be TERRIFIED TO BE ONE OF KNOX’S… ENEMIES!!!

      P.S. Remember that she has ALSO called Patrick Lumumba “a friend.”

  • hikertom

    Can anyone out there answer these questions?:
    1) If the Perugia police conducted a proper interrogation of Amanda, why didn’t they record it? Without a recording it is impossible to know what level of coercion she was subjected to.
    2) Why did the Postal Police destroy the hard drives of Raffaele’s Asus L3000 PC and Amanda’s Toshiba computer?
    Are the police really that incompetent or could it be that these hard drives were intentionally destroyed because they showed activity at the time of the murder that would exonerate the accused?
    3) Why wasn’t Mr. Sollecito’s kitchen knife tested in a lab equipped and qualified to perform low copy number DNA profiling? And why didn’t they test another object from the same drawer as a control to test for contamination?
    4) Why was the bra clasp incorrectly stored in a moist place that allowed it to rust, making it impossible to test again? Is this just another example of incompetence, or was it done intentionally?
    5) Why did the Perugia police arrange to have Rudy Guede released from jail for breaking into a school in Milan? Was he a police informant in Perugia?
    6) Why did the police decide not to test the seamen stain on Meredith’s pillow for DNA?
    7) Why was the pathologist prevented from measuring Meredith’s body temperature for 12 hours after the body was found? Was it because the prosecutor was afraid that establishing a precise time of death would give Ms. Knox and Mr. Sollecito a solid alibi?

    • corpus vile

      1 Already covered ITT
      2 See #1
      3 It was.
      4 It wasn’t
      5 See #1
      6 You don’t know what the stain was if it wasn’t tested and they didn’t wish to destroy the more viable evidence on the pillowcase.
      7 They didn’t wish for the crime scene to be exacerbated.

      Rinse, repeat., rehash..

      • hikertom

        You didn’t answer any of my questions. Your answer to question #6 is particularly amusing. How could testing a minute part of a seamen stain destroy more viable evidence? And how could taking the temperature of the victim exacerbate the crime scene?

        Why are you an apologist for the Perugia police? Do you work for them?

        • corpus vile

          Yes I did. I didn’t go into detail as 1, 2 & 5 were already covered in this thread, 3 & 4 don’t even bear explaining in detail & I’ve answered you regarding 6 & 7.

          Like I said, you lot simply rinse & repeat, to spam discussions as you quite frankly have no case here.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            At this point, what is Hikertom’s purpose and what is the purpose of others like him who continue to deliberately repeat the same discredited nonsense?

            This is only a guess, but I can only think that the purpose is to keep fanning the flames of outrage among misled and misinformed people in the hope that public pressure in the US will force the State Department to refuse the extradition. That’s about the only explanation I can come up with.

          • hikertom

            EG:
            My only purpose is justice. I have studied this case and read all the reports claiming both guilt and innocence and I can’t find any credible evidence linking Ms. Knox or Mr. Sollecito to the murder of Meredith Kercher.

          • SR Bach

            Hikertom:

            Just because YOU can’t find any credible evidence linking Ms. Knox or Mr. Sollecito to the murder of Meredith Kercher does NOT mean it does not exist!

            It sounds like your version of “justice” is strictly about “FREEING AMANDA, at any cost!”

            There are many different perspectives on how “justice” can be achieved in this case, but there is ONLY ONE TRUTH.

            At the moment, it isn’t justice I focus on, as much as it is exposing THE TRUTH.

            There will never be real justice for the victim’s family and her friends. No criminal justice system in the world could ever bring back Meredith to the Kerchers. None could mend the Kerchers’ broken hearts and lives back to how they were pre-November 1, 2007.

            The Kerchers have been condemned to a REAL life sentence, no matter what ends up happening to Knox, Sollecito and Guede. Eventually all three perps will leave prison. But the Kerchers punishment will NEVER END. Their pain and suffering has no “release date.”

            Perfect justice, as we all know, does not exist. If it did, the Kerchers would have their Meredith back. And all the horror, anguish and devastation they’ve experienced because of the evil acts (plural!) perpetrated against Meredith could be permanently erased from their memories. With perfect justice, the Kerchers would be able have these last seven years back, seven years of time spent WITH glorious Meredith. They would be able to watch her pursue her dreams,, graduate, marry, have children, even grandchildren…

            Your definition of justice is probably differs a great deal from mine.

            But, while ideas about justice may vary, there is only ONE TRUTH, not multiple Amanda Knox versions of her “best truth.”

          • hikertom

            If a crooked Italian prosecutor hadn’t invented a ridiculous theory about this murder out of his twisted imagination it would be obvious to everyone, including the Kercher family, that Rudy Guede broke into the house and murdered Meredith Kercher– and he acted alone.

            The Kerchers will never find closure until they realize that they have been deceived by the very people they trusted.

          • SR Bach

            Do you realize how arrogant, delusional, and RIDICULOUS YOU sound?

            What prompts you and other Knox Groupies to make such foolish, patronizing remarks about Meredith’s family–about what the Kerchers must/should do, believe and feel?

            The first thing you don’t understand is:

            The Kerchers will NEVER “find closure.” Not during their lives on Earth.

            Contrary to what you want to believe and contrary to the creepy statement Amanda Knox made publicly–(i.e. Amanda Knox believes that the “Kerchers will find closure when [she, Amanda] can visit Meredith’s grave.” ) There is NO CLOSURE FOR THE FAMILY OF ANY MURDER VICTIM.

            Have you not heard even a word– of the very few the Kerchers have uttered publicly? The ONLY thing the Kerchers are trying to obtain is the FULL truth about their daughter’s murder. They are not naive or gullible. They are not stupid or easily fooled. Unlike Amanda Fans, they have no reason to WANT to invent conspiracy theories or make things up, as the Knox Groupies are inclined to do.

            Why would they, of ALL PEOPLE, be satisfied with unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, PR pieces and fictions?

            HERE’S A FACT FOR YOU:
            NO ONE IN THE WORLD CARES ABOUT THE TRUTH ABOUT MEREDITH’S MURDER–MORE THAN THE KERCHERS DO.

            SO WHY DO KNOX GROUPIES THINK THEY KNOW ABOUT THE EVIDENCE MORE THAN MEREDITH’S OWN FAMILY?

            Both the Kercher family and the US Embassy in Rome have not complained about any of the Italian Court proceedings.

            Yet YOU believe it is you that possess the truth and that the US Embassy and the Kerchers are “deceived”

            Your arrogance, HikerTom, is truly mind-boggling. I don’t think there is anything more to say to someone like you.

          • hikertom

            SR Bach:
            I am not a “Knox Groupie” or a “Sollecito Groupie”; I am a Justice Groupie.

            I am very sorry that Meredith was murdered. I am sure she was a wonderful young woman. But that doesn’t give her family the right to actively persecute two innocent people.

            The Kerchers are not seeking the truth. They have been deceived by crooked prosecutors and their own attorney, and because of their civil cases against the accused, they have a financial incentive to avoid facing reality.

            For this reason, they seem to be satisfied with “unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, PR pieces, and fictions” invented by the Italian prosecutors.

            If you can show me even one piece of solid evidence that Amanda and/or Raffaele are guilty I may change my mind. What do you consider to be the most compelling piece of evidence?

          • Chief Inspector EG

            Hikertom,

            Attacking the family of a murder victim, especially one that has been as quiet and restrained as the Kerchers, is a low, craven thing to do.

            There is a great deal of solid evidence against Knox and Sollecito; hence the convictions. Here’s one:

            Sollecito, upon first hearing that the victim’s DNA was on the knife, lied and said that it was because he had accidentally pricked her with it in his kitchen, where, in fact, she’d never been. Why did he lie? Was he confused, Hikertom? Was the lie beaten out of him? Can you think of any innocent reason why he would lie about this if that knife was not used in the attack?

          • hikertom

            EG:
            The “evidence” you cite is a good example of how phony this case is. Raffaele wrote that Meredith may have acidentally pricked her finger in his private journal while in prison. He wrote it because the police told him that Meredith’s DNA was on his knife and he was trying to figure out how it got there. He was engaging in a thought exercise and he had no expectation that it would be made public or used against him.

          • Chief Inspector EG

            There’s no may or maybe about it. Sollecito said definitively that he had pricked her. He even went so far as to invent a fake conversation that never happened. Here is what he said:

            “The fact there is Meredith’s DNA on the kitchen knife is because once when we were all cooking together I accidentally pricked her hand. I apologised immediately and she said it was not a problem.”

            Sollecito was caught in a desperate lie. Twist it any way you like or offer elaborate explanations that were never presented in court (as Knox apologists are famous for), but his own words are there to condemn him for the lying weasel that he is. I’m no lawyer, but perhaps on this alone he could have been convicted. Fortunately this is just one of many examples of irrefutable evidence against him.

          • newfoundland

            You express the case very eloquently.

          • hikertom

            corpus:
            Your answers to my questions are ridiculous. Take for example your answer to question # 7:
            “They didn’t wish for the crime scene to be exacerbated.”
            What the hell does that mean?
            If the coroner was allowed to take a body temperature soon after the body was found it may have been possible to more accurately determine the time of death. How does that “exacerbate” the crime scene?

            What motive would the Perugia police have for not wanting an accurate determination of the time of death?

        • Elizabeth

          You know seamen are sailors, right?

  • hikertom

    WAS THE BREAK-IN REALLY STAGED?
    1) Prosecutor Mignini got the idea that the break-in through Filomena’s window was staged from Polizia Postale investigator Battistelli, who arrived at the house to investigate Meredith’s abandoned cell phones. After a cursory look at the broken window, he said that it could have been staged as part of an insurance fraud scheme.
    2) The judge at the first hearing, Massimo Ricciarello, agreed with Mignini that climbing through Filomena’s second story window without a ladder would be “…a feat even Spiderman would have trouble pulling off.”
    3) The staged break-in theory could have been easily dissproven if the judge had recruited a young man of Rudy Guede’s height and physical fitness to attempt the climb. You can see this feat performed with ease on Youtube.
    4) Another argument for the staged break-in is the claim that there were glass fragments on top of the clothes on the floor. This claim was made be one police officer; however, police photos do not confirm that claim. The photos show glass fragments on the floor and on the blue mat.
    5) Even if there was glass on top of clothes it wouldn’t prove the break-in was staged because Filomena had too much stuff to fit into the room’s limited storage areas. Some clothes and other objects must have been on the floor before the break-in.
    6) If the window was shattered from the inside, as the prosecutors claimed, why was there no broken glass under the window outside the house? Instead, the broken glass was sprayed deep inside the room as you would expect from a rock thrown through the window from the outside.
    7) Rudy Guede had a history of break-ins by throwing rocks through windows.

    Mignini admitted in court that “if the break-in had not been staged the two defendants would have to be innocent.” It takes a lot of convoluted sophistry to rationalize a guilty verdict against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. The case against them is completely phony.

  • SR Bach

    Hikertom:

    Do you realize how arrogant, delusional, and RIDICULOUS YOU sound?

    What prompts you and other Knox Groupies to make such foolish, patronizing
    remarks about Meredith’s family–about what the Kerchers must/should do,
    believe and feel? Don’t mistake their quiet dignity for weakness.

    The first thing you don’t understand is:

    The Kerchers will NEVER “find closure.” Not during their lives on Earth.

    Contrary to what you want to believe and contrary to the creepy statement Amanda
    Knox made recently–(i.e. Amanda Knox believes that the “Kerchers will
    find closure when [she, Amanda] can visit Meredith’s grave.” ) There is
    NO CLOSURE FOR THE FAMILY OF ANY MURDER VICTIM.

    Have you not heard even a word– of the very few the Kerchers have uttered publicly? The ONLY thing the Kerchers are trying to obtain is the FULL truth about
    their daughter’s murder. They are not naive or gullible. They are not
    stupid or easily fooled.

    Unlike Amanda Fans, they have absolutely NO REASON to WANT
    to invent conspiracy theories or make things up, as the Knox Groupies
    are inclined to do.

    Why would they, of ALL PEOPLE, be satisfied with unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, PR pieces and fictions?

    HERE’S A FACT YOU NEED TO REFLECT ON:

    NO ONE IN THE WORLD CARES ABOUT THE TRUTH ABOUT MEREDITH’S MURDER–MORE THAN THE KERCHERS DO.

    SO WHY DO KNOX GROUPIES THINK THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT THE EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE–THAN MEREDITH’S OWN FAMILY?

    Both the Kercher family and the US Embassy in Rome have not complained about any of the Italian Court proceedings.

    Yet YOU believe it is you that possess the truth and that the US Embassy and the Kerchers are “deceived.”

    Your arrogance, Hikertom, is truly mind-boggling. I don’t think there is anything more to say to someone like you.

    • newfoundland

      Excellent post.

    • hikertom

      The Kerchers are not seeking the truth. They have been deceived by
      crooked prosecutors and their own attorney, and because of their civil
      cases against the accused, they have a financial incentive to avoid
      facing the reality that Rudy Guede broke into the house and murdered Meredith Kercher– and he acted alone..

      • Chief Inspector EG

        You have no right to say what the Kerchers think or feel, Hikertom. If you need to lower yourself to attacking the family of the victim, then that should be your clue that your free-Amanda campaign is doomed to failure.

        • hikertom

          I did not say what the Kerchers feel, and I did not attack them.

          It is not blasphemy to point out the obvious fact that they have actively pursued a civil case that gives them a significant financial incentive to believe that Ms. Knox and Mr. Sollecito are guilty.

          It was their choice to hire an attorney and pursue a parallel civil action.

  • SR Bach

    Why do you have so much venom for Patrick Lumumba?

    Prior to Knox, Patrick Lumumba was admired. well-known and loved by people in Perugia. He was known by people in Perugia as being talented, smart and kind.

    Before Knox falsely accused Lumumba of raping and viciously murdering Meredith, Lumumba was enjoying the good life. He had a happy family life, was a talented musician, and his pub was successful.

    Knox, like YOU, clearly harbored resentment against Lumumba because he reprimanded Knox for not doing her job. Knox was also resentful that Patrick, her boss, was planning on hiring Meredith Kercher.

    But why do YOU have a grudge against Patrick Lumumba?

    Oh, wait–I know why you hate Patrick: You’re Whitey Bulger! You’re a murderer, like Knox. and you’re also quite infamous for being a racist, too. It was YOUR racial rant that was partially responsible for your capture. And now you’re serving time.

    It was your racist comment led to you being convicted of federal racketeering, extortion, conspiracy and 11 murders.

    Having the scorn of someone like Whitey Bulger should be considered a badge of honor for Lumumba!

    The Judge who sentenced you, Mr. Bulger, said to you at your hearing: “The scope, the callousness, the
    depravity of your crimes are almost unfathomable.”

    You (ALMOST) make Knox look so good, in comparison!