Schefter Handicaps McAdoo As Favorite For Eagles Job

Ben McAdoo. (USA Today Sports)

Ben McAdoo. (USA Today Sports)

Adam Schefter isn’t so sure that Doug Pederson is the favorite to land the Eagles head coaching gig. In his mind, Ben McAdoo is.

Appearing on the 97.5 the Fanatic Morning Show, the ESPN analyst had this to say about the Eagles coaching search, which looks to be coming down the home stretch:

“I don’t know that [Pederson]’s the front-runner. I know that he’s square in contention for that job, I know they really like him. In my mind, my sense — these are just senses — is that Ben McAdoo is the front-runner. But I don’t know that to be right. I think Pederson and McAdoo both are square in the conversation,” he said.

“I think Tom Coughlin‘s interview went well. You can’t meet with him and not be impressed by the coach and man he is. But ultimately, as good and as impressive as he is, I just think the Eagles’ model here is to find someone that they can work with for the next 10 to 15 years and I don’t think Tom Coughlin fits that description as good of a coach as he is…

“Maybe even Pat Shurmur would be in consideration because he is a very good football coach. But to me, I would handicap McAdoo as the favorite for whatever that’s worth and we’ll see if that’s proven right.”

The Eagles interviewed  McAdoo on Thursday before sitting down with his former boss, Coughlin, on Monday. The 38-year-old spent the last two seasons as the Giants offensive coordinator. Prior to that he was an assistant in Green Bay for eight years, first as a tight ends coach before moving over to quarterbacks.

When it was suggested to Schefter that the Giants would love to have McAdoo back as offensive coordinator to pair with a new head coach, such as Doug Marrone, Schefter replied, “I think they’d be very happy, too, but we’ll see if they can pull that off and what Philadelphia has to say about that.”

You can listen to the interview here.

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  • Token

    When I would see McAdoo on the sidelines I always found it funny because he seems like a 12 year old in a man body. Figured theres no way a team was making him the head of the team. Well…

    • Kit dont F wit Howie the Bull

      Well we would finally have a coach with a legit pornstache

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Lol…He’s actually grown out the goatee a bit recently from the more recent press conferences that I’ve watched to get a feel for him.

      • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

        B-list at best

    • Basscase

      TBF, people thought of Chucky the same way.

    • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

      Looks like you can find his pic on Megan’s Law sites.

      • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

        Based on his look, he’s definitely encountered Chris Hansen on more than one occasion

        • DirtyWaters

          I worked as a chef in fine dining for many years, I’ve dealt with a lot of celebrities but I have never seen cooks more star struck than when Chris Hansen came to dinner. I also wanted the hostess to say,”why don’t you have a seat?” or before the check comes,”would you just like to leave now?”

          • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

            Man how could they pass up that opportunity? Or if he ordered a drink…”so, who is the alcohol for?”

          • DirtyWaters

            Hahaha. those guys had the creepiest paper bags! It was like wine coolers, condoms and coloring books. (The pervs on the show, not the cooks…well, sometimes the cooks.)

      • The Doctor

        Someone ate their Commenting Wheaties today…

        • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

          They make a collector’s edition box just for us.

  • Philonious

    I would actually prefer him to Pederson or Coughlin. No particular reason, except his star seems to be rising while Coughlin’s is falling and no one knows where Pederson’s is.

    • JustAgog

      Pederson has a star? ;)

      • Critias

        On his Captain America Underoos, yes.

      • Philonious

        Its Andy’s, but sometimes he lets Pederson use it.

  • myeagles_ughhhhhhhhh

    you gotcha your Macadoo’s and your Macadont’s

    can’t say he didn’t improve shEli’s TD to int ratio.
    Give him a good set of RB’s and he should be able to put a decent product on the field.
    & he’s called plays before wwwwwwwwoooooopie!!

  • DirtyWaters

    He falls in line with the Andy Reid traits Lurie is looking for: GB TE coach; WC offense; mustache; potential to add weight each season. Seems like a lock.

    • The Doctor

      You just copied that straight out of the job description.

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    • Ray

      I know that when I think of the traits of a great head coach, mustache is clearly most important.

      • bizurk schadenfreude 2015

        Mustache on the sideline, dreads on the corners/WRs, goons on the OL

  • brza

    I wish they’d interview some more candidates. Darrell Bevell, Austin and
    Hue Jackson seem like good candidates that they haven’t even talked to
    yet.

  • Joe from Easton

    Meh.

  • Basscase

    Remember the episodes of “Knight Rider” with Michael’s twin, Garth Knight?

    I do believe we’ve found the Garth Knight to Tim McManus’ Michael.

  • FinsterBaby

    I don’t like either Pederson or McAdoo. The former just doesn’t seem to have the gravitas to be head coach and the latter as I’ve seen written here numerous times over the past week got his offense’s butt handed to them twice by the Eagles D this year. I think I’d rather Shurmer than either of these two. I’m really starting to think that we need to be bolder than that and hand the reins to Duce keeping Charmer on as OC increasing the likelihood that we can hang on to Bradford until we can come up with someone (hopefully much) better.

    • Oli Richford

      I agree about Shurmur.

    • Asa numba 1

      Duce.. lol..

      • FinsterBaby

        You gotta admit it has a kind of Mike Tomlin feel to it – would it really be that different from the other options that we know about. Of course it only works if Shurmer stays and I think he would only stay if it were someone like Duce. If it’s any consolation I did feel kind of ridiculous even suggesting it – but it does make the pundits stop talking about the disjointed coaching search and Lurie can spin it as a bold maneuver and maybe get himself some much needed good press before free agency starts and we can’t sign anyone because the org looks like a bizarro brady bunch.

        • The Doctor

          I have to say Duce is probably the most exciting idea out there. I’d be scratching my head over the decision, because he’s such an unknown and I’d have so many questions. But to give a former Eagle we know and love an opportunity to show his stuff…the upside is exciting. My big fear is that Lurie doesn’t appear to be a good coach evaluator. So if Duce has a bad first year and Lurie fires him, I’d ask did we give Duce enough time. If Duce has a bad first year and deserves to be fired but isn’t, is that only because Lurie is trying to save face. And in any case, if we fire Duce before he had enough time to develop into the great coach he could be if he got more experience first, are we missing a huge opportunity because we tried to rush things?

          • FinsterBaby

            I agree that Duce has the “excitement” factor that the other candidates just don’t have (at all IMO). As far as the what would Lurie do if x happens – I just try not to think too hard about what rich people will do as the likely illogic of it just makes my head hurt. That said I do think that Lurie would be more likely to keep one of the other candidates longer than he should than he would be to keep Duce not long enough.

  • Token

    Rodgers said McAdoo, now 38, “cares about it, and I think he improved his coaching ability. He improved his comfort in front of a room.”

    Well hopefully Lurie ponies up for some more public speaking classes for the poor guy.

    • B-West

      Wow. So, the exact impression you get when you look at him is who he is: kind of overwhelmed and feeble.

      • The Doctor

        McAdoo sounds kind of like Magoo

      • Token

        Which is perfect for Howie. Its so easy to see what they are really looking for.

  • Dolomite78

    If McAdoo is their guy why didn’t they pull the trigger? Because he’s not the guy.

    • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

      #thoroughsearch

      • myeagles_ughhhhhhhhh

        cept they are barely interviewing anyone.

        Lurie is a sissy

        • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

          #thoughtfulapproach

          • myeagles_ughhhhhhhhh

            hahahahahha

    • Colin Jones

      I feel like it has to be someone still coaching, for them not to pull the trigger.

  • B-West

    This coaching search is so depressing. I’ve been bummed about Pederson, so you’d think that any hype for a different candidate would be welcome. Nope, just more bad news.

  • ageorge767

    Give me Coach Gennero. Least he would bring in Wally to run the defense

    • Travis Papa

      We need a straight arrow

    • The Doctor

      Last time someone called her Gennero, John McClain went ballistic and capped about a dozen terrorists at Nakatomi Plaza.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Without shoes

  • Jask, I MISS REID

    fuc*

    • Basscase

      I must admit, the gallows humor today has been very refreshing.

  • Travis Papa

    Basically Schefter is saying that mcadoo is the hot name after Gase and that’s who lm going to say bc of it happens I sound really smart considering Pederson is a nobody and no one wants shurmer.

  • Rod Nick

    You can have’em! 3 and out in 22 sec McAdork!

    The media has it all wrong: Coughlin paid for managements move to bring this clown…Philly is going to a subtler form of Chipper t’is all. In NY they tag Reece too…but man pathetic play calling 12 – 20 over two years…and they praise Eli, saying he is getting better thanks to McAdork…..it has been Odel the whole time!!! Smell ya!

  • Septhinox

    It’s almost like it’s obvious that it’s Pederson. They can’t name him HC while he’s still coaching with KC.

  • Rod Nick

    ..or just take a good look at the photo…..go philly go! hahahahahahaha

  • Jerry Pomroy

    I’ve worked with a lot guys like McAdoo in the past. He’s a small town Western PA guy to the tee. These guys are just wired very differently. They’re hard nosed, hard working, bow hunting, demanding, with a rather dry sense of humor. But know that these stereotypes aren’t bad guys. They’re just for lack of a better word, bland. Although it’s been said that McAdoo is a bit looser behind the scenes, I see he and Pederson to be very different personalities.

    I keep holding onto a sliver of hope that we’re holding out for McDaniels.

    • Token

      Yea he strikes me as a mans man. Hard nosed gun wielding lunatic. Who just so happens to have a fear of public speaking.

      • Critias

        Fear of public speaking is #1 in America, even higher than the fear of death.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        He didn’t seem to have any issues in the press conferences I watched. But know that I am not endorsing him.

        • Token

          Heres my thing. The Giants FO is much better then ours. And they dont seem to have interest in keeping Mcadoo.

          • Critias

            He’s interviewed there too.

          • Token

            Duce Staley interviewed here too.

          • Critias

            Why yes, yes he did!

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Again, I am not endorsing him. I just don’t think he has a problem speaking in public.

          • miketd1

            That bothers me too, especially since they just fired their head man.

            If McAdoo was such a homerun, wouldn’t they be making a stronger push to retain him..?

          • Critias

            That’s the question. They’ve interviewed him, he’s on their short list, but you know, it does take two to tango. Maybe he’s unsure about the talent the FO has drafted and signed; maybe he’s not sanguine about a 35yo QB being his longterm future. Just because a guy isn’t hired we fans always assume that the TEAM didn’t want the guy.

          • miketd1

            I’m viewing it through the same lens as Pat Shurmur — he’s not exactly emerging as the hands on favorite here either.

          • Critias

            True enough. Until someone is hired, though, we the nose-wiping public have no idea who is a front-runner and who isn’t. :-(

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Traditionally, that has been true. Reese has not been setting the world on fire lately though.

            Owners though? No question that the Giants have one of the best, and most stable, ownership structures in football.

  • The Doctor

    The truth comes out…

    • miketd1

      Betcha ‘ol Howie has binders full of women…

      • Token

        Or not women.

        • glngarryglnross

          i didnt wanna upvote but i had to

    • JustAgog

      LOL

  • lewis don

    On Macadoo.
    I like his offense. The Giants, when I watched them (Three times), could move the ball. The giants had a bad offensive line. Justin Pugh being abused by barwin in the 2015 season comes to my mind instantly. But I like the calls. Besides some bad management of which I think was mostly attributed to Tom, I think Macadoo has a pretty good offensive system.
    However. I think I am sitting with Shurmur. Call it what you want. I think if you want to fix and build upon what we have. To me it makes the most sense.
    Upon Final review, Chip Kelly was a bad playcaller. Great system though. And of course his philosophy on clock management was terrible.
    I seriously believe that Shurmur is primed to take advantage of what is already built.
    He has:
    Experience being a HC.
    Familiarity with whats in place.
    Favourite with our current QB (allowing us to draft and groom a QB the right way)
    Jordan Matthews believes in Bradford
    And he is a much better Playcaller.
    I mean heres the thing, I don’t believe tanking exists in the NFL, based on the circumstance NFL players find themselves in. If I am a CB starting and on a deal. I am not gonna play badly on purpose to help the team get a better draft pick, without knowing if my job is secure. Im gonna put my best foot forward everytime I step on the field.
    And that offense worked in week 17 for the first time all season. They sustained drives.
    I hope its shurmur. And I do have reservations about his resume. But I think he can get it done. Move peters to guard. Draft a Tackle. Draft a QB 3rd, 4th or 5th. Get another LB, get another WR.
    And I think this team can be highly competitive, with a improved defense, and Bradford can do it. Get a QB this year and next year. Buys us time to rebuild.
    Blowing it up just doesn’t make sense imho

    • Token

      Great system no doubt. Chip is still available!

      • Rockedupeaglesfan

        Ha. Remember when the tweets came out right after he was fired that he already had 2 offers and people were guess it was Tenn and Mia, which he never even got offered interviews to either. The accountability in journalism is at an all time low

        • Token

          95% of it is no different then us talking right here. These “reporters” rarely have sources anymore. They just throw some crap at the wall and say it was from a source. In hopes that some things will be right and give them credibility.

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            It’s gotten so bad with the speculation overload, sometimes I get things discussed in comments confused with actual reports. And I’m sure there is minimal difference in the vetting done prior to posting

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Speaking for myself, I do no vetting before I post.

            Edit: who would I confirm my irresponsible and speculatory musings with? You guys?

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            I figured, same as these guys who tweet sh…

          • Unfortunately (depending on how you feel about McAdoo) Schefter is one of the few with great credibility. I see a tweet from him or Sheil or Tim/Josh – it’s practically gospel.

          • The Doctor

            As the Prime Minister of Trinidad & Tobago, neither do I.

      • lewis don

        Im sayin you can have a advanced health system without forcing people to use it. You can have an uptempo offense that is intricate without going uptempo at all times possible. You can have an uptempo offense and still audible. You can have an uptempo offense and run a QB sneak. You can run that offense and have a I form package. You can up-hold culture without using it as a weapon in your dictatorship.
        I am saying that some of things he instilled are redeemable and there is a way to go about it differently. A way to learn and improve on what has been built in 3 years, instead of restarting.

        • Token

          You cant build on a foundation of crap. The system is a failure and a NFL joke. I agree, uptempo can work well when used at various times in a game. But its not just tempo. Off tackle East/West runs dont work as the base of a offense at this level. Defenses are too fast and the hash marks are not in your favor.
          How anyone could watch 3 years of this brand of football and ask for more is something I cant personally wrap my head around. And somehow Pat Shurmur is going completely blameless for it.

          • lewis don

            I am saying you can build off the system. You have the off tackle runs, throw in counters, and different power formations to balance it out. I think you can develop a attack that can work. There are successful outside rushing attacks. I remember tiki barber was successful at it. I remember Kenjon Barner converting a 3rd and very long this year. I think having demarco rn outside a lot is a mistake. But what I am saying is that this offense isn’t broken beyond repair. It takes someone who isn’t as stubborn as Chip Kelly was. and Shurmur having a front seat to Chips arrogance makes him able to capitalize from Chips mistakes.

      • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ
    • Well hey, we have a mediocre line that’s gotten worse every year for the past three, so he looks like a scheme fit.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Your reasons for Shurmur don’t really seem to reflect upon criteria for a Head Coach but rather an offensive coordinator. Plus I don’t know if it was Chip running him into the ground or what, but he always looks exhausted or that he’s just woke up from a nap. Go to YouTube and look up “Pat Shurmur”, there’s a video clip of one his locker room speeches in Cleveland as head coach. It’s not very inspiring.

      • he’s_back_scrambling

        Its funny you said that, I always thought he looked exhausted too. Wonder if he has a health problem?

        • Critias

          Maybe listening to Kelly drone on about smoothies and tempo wore the guy down.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          He didn’t look that way dating back to him coaching Cleveland. I wonder if Chip wore him down.

      • lewis don

        I was trying to give the positive aspects of what he will bring to the position. The key position I would like shurmur in with this team as it is setup is playcalling, usually the head coach calls the plays, from what I think I know. I would call shurmur laid-back. But I understand the appearance. I will look that up.

        • Critias

          Most head coaches don’t call the plays. Very few do, actually.

          • lewis don

            What?! Head coaches do usually call the plays…what are you getting this from?

          • Critias

            Really? Mike Tomlin is calling plays? Bill Belichick? Tom Coughlin? Rex Ryan? John Fox? Marvin Lewis? Jeff Fisher? Pete Carroll?

          • lewis don

            That’s eight coaches. You said Head Coaches usually don’t call plays….Every thing I have learned is that most head coaches want to and do call the plays…and it makes sense because play calling is arguably the most important part about being a head coach.

          • Critias

            Oh come on, that’s eight coaches I thought of inside 20 seconds. My point is made. Play-calling is NOT in the head coach’s job description, but rather a piece of power that some of the offensive coaches like to retain. That’s all.

          • dmancine9

            while I agree with you, that list is 8 defensive minded coaches. of course they’re not gonna call offensive plays

          • lewis don
  • Kane86

    What if the interview with Coughlin was to talk about McAdoo?

    • Critias

      Since Coughlin still wants to coach, I don’t think he’d take the interview under those circumstances, but that’s just my gut feeling.

      • Kane86

        Thought about that, but what if they asked coughlin upfront, that’s what the meeting is about. I dont see why he wouldn’t oblige given that he hired him.

        • Critias

          No need to meet in person for that conversation. But meeting in person for what’s ostensibly an ‘interview’ gives the impression that at least one NFL team does not want to hire Coughlin. And that doesn’t look good to his other prospective employers. Just my opinion.

    • The Doctor

      Coughlin: “Yeah you don’t want him. I left New York to GET AWAY from him…”

  • Rockedupeaglesfan

    Well I’m rooting for the Cheifs to make a long playoff run. Maybe if they eliminate the Pats, Jeff will bring in some of their coordinators

    • Critias

      …because Belichick’s coordinators have such a great track record of leaving NE and becoming head coaches…?

      • Rockedupeaglesfan

        But Andy’s do?? Did I miss all that success Childress had.

        • Critias

          John Harbaugh alone has had more head coaching success than all of Belichick’s guys put together.

          • Token

            Is he available?

          • Critias

            I wish he was.

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            True, he’s the one, but maybe he would have been successful regardless. It’s not like he brought Andy’s offense along. So what are we getting with Pederson.

          • Critias

            I haven’t the vaguest idea. Just pointing out that NE’s assistants COULD turn out to be good (though McDaniels wasn’t exactly lighting the world on fire in Denver), but I don’t think they’re guys worth waiting around for, simply based on history.

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            And I don’t think Pederson is worth jumping on

          • Critias

            I don’t, either!!! I’d like to bring Mike Smith in for a talk.

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            Bring in 10 guys!!!

          • Critias

            Hey now, what you do on your own time is none of my business… :-)

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            I’d do a lot for a super bowl…

          • B-West

            I think Hard Knocks ended Mike Smith’s career. He came off as a total dope.

          • Critias

            Ohhh. I don’t know, I never saw it. Fair enough.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I think they could wait around for McDaniels & be just fine if they used Pederson as their “if all else fails” option.

            I just think that McDaniels experience & ability to adjust scheme could be worth waiting for over settling.

          • Critias

            I don’t agree, but that’s cool. You’re right about his being able to adjust, I just don’t care for the guy. Too many bad stories out there from his time in Denver.

            Shortly after Josh McDaniels moved into his office at Dove Valley, he called in Cutler and his agent, Bus Cook, for a closed-door meeting. The story goes that McDaniels began with a 20-minute dissertation of his resume, how he’d worked his way up the ranks in New England to become Bill Belichick’s right-hand man with the offense and how the team would have been nowhere the year before without his tutelage of backup Matt Cassel. He continued on with justification of his hiring by Bowlen.

            After the perplexing recitation of accomplishments, McDaniels suddenly shifted gears.

            He began to bash and berate Cutler and his game to the tune of a verbal flogging neither had ever witnessed. The expletive-laden diatribe went on for a few minutes, after which Cook stood up and told Cutler they were leaving. As they walked down the long hallway past Bowlen’s office, Cutler turned to Bus and said, “Get me out of here. I don’t care how you do it.”

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Is he a lunatic? Not that the thought of yelling at Cutler doesn’t make me smile, but that is just flat-out weird.

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            My first thought was, if I was in a room with Jay, I’d throw some F bombs his way too

          • Critias

            LOL!! It should be noted that Cutler was indeed traded shortly thereafter.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            The more we learn about these football coaches, the more it reveals that they are odd guys. Which I guess you have to be to do what they do, but still. After Chip, I don’t think I could take another soap opera with the head coach.

          • Critias

            It’s a story, there are others, too. Maybe it’s 100% true, maybe it’s 50% true, I don’t know, I wasn’t there. But stuff like that has left me NOT wanting to pursue McDaniels at all.

          • peteike

            oh the stories out of Denver when he was there are horrid. Major ego who drafts Tebow in the first, says it all really

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Egos man. It’s football. Without ego we might as well call it cheerleading.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Meh. Ego doesn’t equal being an a$$hole in my opinion. Plus, it was his first head coaching gig and that was his first meeting with the QB? That stinks of insecurity, not ego.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’m just throwing a bonafide name out there that has a resume better than those we’ve spoken to. His God complex was rather common on first time coaches. Could very well wait for anybody else too. Patricia is intriguing too. Just saying don’t just settle.

            Do you endorse Hue Jackson should be a candidate? Just curious because he had the same issues & I don’t get how sooo many people look past that with him but are critical of McDaniels. I think Hue is a good candidate too, but should be handle with the same “proceed with caution” as McDaniels.

          • Critias

            Jackson never excited me, either. He’s dry, like toast. Doesn’t get the old Evanrude cranking. Most of the guys make me feel meh.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Basically I’m saying don’t just stop here and settle. Because if they knew they were going to hand Pederson the job from get-go if they lost out on Gase, why even bother with McAdoo or Coughlin. And if Pederson is the guy, it proves that Lurie is about as knee jerk, shoot from the hip, operate emotionally as Chip was.

          • Critias

            Agreed on all counts.

          • guest

            Hue Jackson? Not sure where you get that impression. Thats not him at all. He’s a very animated guy.

          • peteike

            exactly per the ego, why I think Id prefer Patricia from that team

          • guest

            His resume outside of NE is HORRIBLE. McAdoo has a better track record developing QBs. So does Jackson. So does Shurmur. So does Pederson.

            What has McDaniels done? Failed as an HC in Denver. Failed as an OC in St Louis. Brady was already developed when McDaniels took the offensive reins in NE.

            On top of the fact that McDaniels’ players seem to hate him.

            Everyone just gets a bulge in their pants because he’s a bigger name.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I never said he was a friggin genius. It was a name that carries more clout than the clowns we’re being force fed, plus he’s an offensive guy like Jeffrey likes. I actually would hire Patricia if it were me.

          • He was the guy I was most intrigued about immediately after Chip was fired.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Me too. If you recall Token & I were curious about him prior to Chip being fired. I wanna see if the guy has humbled because, like Chip, he could be a really good coach if he got his head out of his a$$.

          • guest

            Ron Rivera is doing pretty well too

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            Meh. He was a LB coach here. Not like he left her to become a HC. I don’t even think he got a DC job after here

  • miketd1

    McAdoo about something..?

    • Critias

      Ouch.

    • Brian

      Don’t McAdoo me like that!

  • Token

    So the question really has come down to….. would you rather?

    Shurmur/McAdoo/Pederson

    What a sad sad state of affairs when I look at that list and say McAdoo without question.

    • Rockedupeaglesfan

      I’d probably take them in that order.

      And for the record, they are all way down on my list. Although, I’m ok with Shurm riding shotgun as OC

      • lewis don

        My thing about Shurmur being OC, is wether he can have a impact worth keeping him around.

        Listening to Sam, it seems like he was relieved that shurmur was calling the game and set the gameplan. Maybe it was just Chips dictatorship that limited Shurmurs role working with Bradford.
        BUt something tells me you get the most out of Bradford with Shurmur at the helm.

        • Token

          IMO Sam Bradford just wants a buddy. Someone thats not gonna yell at him. Someone thats probably not even gonna point out his faults. I can see Pat as that figure.

          I couldn’t care less who he wants. because that doesn’t mean its the best coach. And Sam isnt that level of player where you do XYZ to accommodate him.

          • lewis don

            Sam wants a guy that is on the same page with him and knows what he is comfortable with and can put him the best position to succeed. Having played football, having that relationship with a coach can make all the difference in the world. I think there is enough proof in the league history to suggest that a coach and QB that make a good fit is conducive to success in the NFL. Sam is above average. I think his biggest issue is building chemistry with his Wrs. However I think he has the arm and other skills to be our QB for the next 5-7 years as we transition to a new QB.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            5-7yrs isn’t transitioning to a new QB. It’s not like Favre keeping Rodgers on bench or Montana over Young.

          • lewis don

            I don’t know what your talking about.
            You keep sam and shurmur.
            Then you draft a QB and let him learn for 3 years and have QB competition in year 4 and 5. And you keep sam for two more years as a backup.

    • lewis don

      I can see that. I need to see more of the offense. A bad offensive line can make any offensive system seem inadequate.

      • Token

        Well we know Shurmur wants a system thats a proven failure. And hes already a failure at this level in the past. And Pederson is Pederson. So, that leaves this guy….

        • guest

          “Shurmur wants a system thats a proven failure.” You mean the West Coast Offense? Thats the system he runs. Thats the system McAdoo runs. Thats the system Pederson will run. Thats the system Reid runs.

          You’re getting the same system no matter what happens.

          • Token

            Nope. Thats where Pat came from. But he has professed love for all things Chip. The BS system we saw for 3 years would largely stay.

          • LuckyJava

            Chip may have failed as a GM and as a leader, but listening to what most people have to say about him, he was still great with the Xs and Os. Maybe it isn’t a bad thing that Shurmur liked some of Chip’s concepts.

            That being said, I don’t want Shurmur as head coach.

          • Token

            Then most people are morons. And if you are talking about national writers, none of them pay attention anyway. Kelly was constantly outcoached. Had a playbook with 8-10 plays. I come away confused at how anyone could say hes a great X and Os coach.

            Chip Kelly is this high school coach basically. Someday you will be reading how Kevin Kelley is the next football genius at the college level.

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/08/13/the-highly-successful-high-school-coach-who-never-punts-has-another-radical-idea/

          • lewis don

            Just because Chip had 8-10 plays doesn’t mean shurmur didn’t look at that and think that was a flaw in the way Chip ran that system.

          • LuckyJava

            So him getting outcoached means he isn’t good with the Xs and Os? That’s just absurd. He can have a high football IQ and not be a good coach. The guy couldn’t adjust in-game or even gameplan before the game; simple as that. How does that affect his ability to draw up plays?

          • Token

            Because the evidence is very obvious that his scheme in general didnt work? Look at the real numbers. The per drive numbers.

          • LuckyJava

            That could just as easily be attributed to play-calling as it could play design. Too many factors play into something like that to get a real sense of how well an offense is designed anyway. Drops, poor QB play, poor line play, great defense; a play could theoretically be designed perfectly (no, I don’t think his concepts were even remotely perfect), and you could still field an abysmal offense.

          • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

            We’ve gone over this. When he has he professed love for “all things Chip?” Where is this interview?

          • Token

            “We started something in motion here, the players are used to doing things a certain way, and many, many of the things we’re doing are right,” Shurmur said.

            Shurmur also said wherever he coaches in the future — whether it’s here or somewhere else — he’ll draw heavily on Kelly’s philosophies and systems.

            He said Kelly’s scheme and belief in tempo aren’t flawed. The Eagles just didn’t execute this year.

            “I think in the first two years we were a top-10 offense in most categories,” he said. “This year, we’re middle of the pack. We fell victim to the turnover. We fell victim to the dropped pass. And ultimately, we didn’t score enough points.

            “Those, in my mind, are all things that can be corrected. I think the core of what we were trying to do was right, especially for our team. We just didn’t get it done.”

            http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/interim-head-coach-pat-shurmur-details-unique-week-chip-kelly-firing

          • cliff-Misused by Chippah

            it depends what he takes. there was never an issue getting WRs open. it was getting them ball and hoping they caught it. OL was ignored, kelly never protected QB and was very predictable. the rungame was a joke once Shady left and took his jumps on a dime moves that hid some crappy and flawed blocking.
            .
            there’s absolutely no doubt kelly’s system need an overhaul, but it was top 2 or 3 in league for first 2 yrs. of course that’s a loaded stat, but the system isnt complete dogcrap.

          • Token

            It really wasnt a top unit tho. Because as you mentioned, that stat doesnt tell the whole story. Or in the Eagles case, doesnt at all tell the truth.

            2014 Chip Kelly offense smoke and mirrors numbers

            http://i.imgur.com/bIguczf.png

            2014 Chip Kelly offense what it really was.

            http://i.imgur.com/E99wwBz.png

          • lewis don

            Then you saw the stark difference in how he would RUN kellys system mixed with his system when he coached against the giants week 17.
            I mean Kelly isn’t a idiot. I just think you aren’t giving credit where credit is due.

          • Grilles

            We also fell victim to a crap OL.

          • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

            Drawing and copying are two different things. And for as much as we hate Chip, even you know that not all of the philosophies were bad. Didn’t he slow it down against the Giants?

          • Token

            If thats what you take from that. Sure seems like a guy to me that loves Chip. Says right there his beliefs in tempo are not flawed. While blaming drops and roster turnover. Sounds like Chip Kelly 2.0. I dont think you are gonna enjoy it as much as you think you might.

          • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

            I’m not gonna enjoy this next phase period. I don’t think. In my opinion, Shurmur may have the best chances of providing enjoyment from it. And while he defended his boss (imagine that), he’s not saying he would apply as broadly as Chip instead of applying situationally. I get you don’t like Shurmur. I really do. But taking an article where he has to defend his boss to keep appearances isn’t the most damning evidence. And even if this is end of the season after Chip’s firing, he’s still gotta be PC to maintain chances of bein retained.

        • lewis don

          If a system doesn’t produce desired results, the best solution is usually to troubleshoot first and see if you can savalage what took time to build. I think the system had produced two 10 win seasons, so the system isn’t the worst or a failure. There are positives to be salavaged. Pederson is Pederson seems a bit unfair.

          • Token

            Are we still on the absolute BS 10 win season thing guys? That has had holes shot in it for a couple years now. Its smoke and mirrors.

          • lewis don

            So if the 10 win season was BS, then Shurmurs losing seasons with the awful browns organizations are also BS.

          • Token

            yep, its just that simple!

          • Andy Reid’s team was decent enough to win 10 games twice in spite of Chip.

    • cliff-Misused by Chippah

      eagles searching for a coach or playing JigSaw? would you rather french kiss a truck stop toilet seat, or watch 1 more game with Davis as DC?

      • Basscase

        ……..I’m using that.

      • Grilles

        Wow, you make a toilet seat sound pretty damn appealing!

        • cliff-Misused by Chippah

          thanks! crazy enough, that’s not the first time I’ve heard that

          • Grilles

            Parties at your house undoubtedly to well into the night, and guests inexplicably forget what happens!

          • cliff-Misused by Chippah

            2 bowls inside front door, one for keys, one filled with mickeys

          • Grilles

            Mickey’s – strong! Great call.

          • DirtyWaters

            I think he means like “slipped her a Mickey” not the wide mouth malt liquor. Although, both have the desired effect.

      • bushisamoron

        I do not like Billy Davis but the toilet seat comparison is a bit rough even for the internet.

      • old duke

        I overhead Howie tell Jeffrey that he secretly likes the truck stop toilets, so…………..?

    • Basscase

      I’m going to be optimistic and say that one of them will surprise you.

      And I can’t say that with a straight face.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That’s bold man!

    • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

      Shurm

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Comes down to, do you want the guy that takes a nap in his spare time, the guy that’s going bow hunting or the guy that’s going golfing.

      • Critias

        Gimme the nap guy. At least he’s being true to himself!

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Or we can put it this way. You’re going to get hit no matter what, so where do you want it? The face, the gut or the groin?

          • Critias

            “Head or gut?”

            Gut for me. It would just bounce off. :-)

  • Beta20

    10-15 years?!? Why not just make it an even millennium for this millennial-generation team?

    • Cowher drafted Big Ben #11

      Posted and nothing. Poof. Hmmm…anyway, at the risk of double posting, I agree 100%. There’s no reason to think beyond 5 years in any coaching relationship. I’d be fine with Coughlin on that basis. Not sure I want the division rival’s coach, two rings notwithstanding.

      Based on what’s out there, still better off making Shurmur HC, resigning Bradford, getting a real DC, and giving Duce a promotion. Retain the top position coaches already on the payroll.

  • drfields

    The prospects of this search just keep looking worse. I might rather have Pederson than McAdouche

  • Cowher drafted Big Ben #11

    If it were McAdoo, the offer would be on the table. Someone still coaching is on their list. Let’s just hope it’s not Pederson. I was intrigued for a moment, but when I heard that Andy is running the offense, I was out. Dawk’s comments are laughable. Get some offensive guys talking about how great he is and I will listen…except maybe the alcoholic who will always love us.

  • Cowher drafted Big Ben #11

    Exactly. Any new coach worth a darn is able to push the team to playoffs in 3 to 4 years. I’d take Coughlin if he’d come for a 5 year deal because it’s foolish to believe any coaching relationship can be planned to last longer.

  • peteike

    Id prefer McAdoo over Coughlin for sure. I just look at Coughlins last 4 years and theres not much to like. Great resume per the super bowls but beyond that below .500 in his career for over 10 win playoff teams. I kind of was sold a bit on Pederson in that last article, wow, cant believe Im saying that. I just think hes still ramping up so it seems a bit early to give him a HC job. Same thing happened to Gase last year, he was a hot name mid season but then died out once they were looking for coaches. He then gets another full season as a coordinator then makes the jump. I think Doug is where Gase was last year but doesnt make him not a viable option. McAdoo has some history and maybe a bit more growth on his resume. I remember his first season with Eli, wasnt very good so then they have this last season. ODB maybe enhanced that production but I dont know enough about the entire Giants season to know if his scheme is decent or not. Bad O line and run game right.

  • Displaced Philly Fan

    At this point, might as well wait and interview Matt Patricia from the Pats. Pederson will be there all offseason waiting, so you can always fall back to him whenever you run out of guys. Patricia would be a good defensive mind to bring in, and you could probably keep Shurmur as OC.

    • peteike

      all this keeping Shurmur depends on coaching circles I would think. Depends if they have a connection anywhere otherwise guys usually pull from within that circle.

      Just saw this from Tommy “Eli just set personal records for TD passes and QB rating this season.”

      • Basscase

        He’s talking himself into the hire. Even for Lawlor, that’s not a good sign.

        • peteike

          I was curious about that scheme and their production (outside of the record of course) so its something. ODB helps that of course

          • Jerry Pomroy

            It’s a variation of the WCO, not all that different from what Reid ran here, with OBJ in the DJax role. They just run the ball more.

          • Token

            He values getting the ball out quick and short to intermediate routes doesnt he?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yes, but will spring some shots over the top to OBJ to keep defenses honest.

          • Basscase

            None of the receivers here have skills above ODB, let alone OBJ.

    • Token

      A defensive mind? Eww. Everyone knows a mediocre offensive mind is what wins at this level.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Yeah, I like Patricia. I just don’t throw his name out as much as I’ve been tossing around McDaniels because despite what Lurie says, he just doesn’t like defensive minds. Probably because they’re typically a tougher mentality & more likely to challenge Howie or stuff him into a trash can.

      • cliff-Misused by Chippah

        Lurie probably still wakes up w/ cold sweats in the middle of the night remember Ray RHodes’ pep talks. think ole RR scared Jeffie boy for life!

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I don’t think he’s completely opposed to it, I just think he highly prefers offensive minds. Remember he was literally about to hire Bradley 3yrs ago until Chip called in his card.

          But this time around he seems completely against it and I think that’s in large part due to Howie.

          • cliff-Misused by Chippah

            do you remember RR’s famous pep talk? i’m not PC, and even i was like “jesus man, tone that S down!”. but it worked

          • TimKerrForPresident

            He was unhinged.

          • cliff-Misused by Chippah

            2nd greatest motivational tool, behind Spacoli wrecking Jeffereson’s car

          • TimKerrForPresident

            “First he’s gonna $hit, then he’s gonna kill us!”

          • cliff-Misused by Chippah

            dont worry, my father is a TV repairman. he has the ultimate set of tools

          • Jerry Pomroy

            It’s also what could’ve led to his stroke years later.

        • Chuck Dougherty

          I dug RR.. funny guy to talk to when you get him outside of football.. he let me wear his superbowl ring once.. cool dude….
          but yeah.. on the field, he got a smidge unhinged lol

          • cliff-Misused by Chippah

            was the infamous ‘come into your house and *cough* your wife’, was that h/t or pregame?

          • Chuck Dougherty

            postgame, I believe it was.. soda came out of my nose when I heard him say that..I was like WTF!!! lol

      • JustAgog

        If they are waiting for McDaniels, or if some other team hires him, I can see Chippah going to NE as OC. BB likes him. Swapping coaches….

    • Rockedupeaglesfan

      This is why I’m rooting for the Cheifs this weekend

      • Displaced Philly Fan

        Me too. Although I wouldn’t enjoy the inevitable “You want a guy who’s defense just got beat by Alex Smith??” nonsense.

        • Rockedupeaglesfan

          Like replacing Chip with TC? Who went 1-5 against Chip

  • john King

    Losing interest

  • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

    When you’re trying to talk yourself into McAdoo as the best option over x, y, and z, just remember that Billy Davis embarrassed him. Twice. On national TV. That’s who you’re propping up.

    • TimKerrForPresident

      Man, you’re much more fun when you’re drinking.

      • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

        Was this too negative?

        • TimKerrForPresident

          The facts are negative.

    • cliff-Misused by Chippah

      let’s seriously look at the guys that lost 83.3% of their games against the coach we just fired.

      • peteike

        ya its why Id take Pederson of any giants castoffs. The bar has been set

        • cliff-Misused by Chippah

          least ped will most likely be doing things just like Reid. so when it starts going south, i’ll be able to tell right away.
          .
          bring in some bum i have no idea what he’s going to do, might take me season and half to figure out how big of a bum he really is.

          • peteike

            indeed. Hey he was running the 2 minutes for AR for a bit it sounds like. At least the clock mgmt thing shouldnt be a problem ha.

          • cliff-Misused by Chippah

            only took FF 17 yrs to figure out he sucked at it

        • Honest_T

          What role has Pederson played in any of KC’s success? Andy does the player evaluation w/ Dorsey, game planning, & play calling, which leaves DP to ….

          • peteike

            ya good luck finding that answer. Its a mixed bag of Pederson started out only to have AR take over play calling. Or AR always made the calls only to let Pederson start to have some calls after a 1-5 start along with letting Alex Smith audible at the line more. Oh and Peder got to call the 2 minute offense because after 15 yrs AR finally realized he was bad at it

          • peteike

            oh and dont forget Childress was their spread offense analyst or some sh…

          • Honest_T

            I guess he has a big binder though, so he has that going for him.

        • dmancine9

          I’d take Shurmur over Pederson

    • Token

      And then you have a career failure in Shurmur who know has Kelly stink on him and a high school nobody in Pederson. Fun times.

      • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

        Shurm has the blend of Reid and Kelly. While unexciting, it does more for me than Giants throwaways and the ’08 District Champ.

        • cliff-Misused by Chippah

          wasn’t even champs of a real HS district. was some 2 bit religious league. not like was winning 5A Texas state titles

          • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

            But he was a backup QB kept around for all those smarts that never translated. Hire him!

            Just looked up Shurmur’s QBs in Cleveland – Colt McCoy, Seneca Wallace, Weeden, Thad Lewis. Not sure there’s a coach out there who could do better than 9-23 with that dreck.

    • JosephR2225

      To be fair to McAdoo though, there are only two good players out of 53 on the entire Giants roster.

    • Philonious

      I’m ok with this.

    • Honest_T

      But he fits the Andy Reid model…QB coach (in GB too), mustache…

      • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

        Two Dug Pederson’s fit the Andy mold.

    • Honest_T

      As long as we don’t talk to any defensive coaches, because we clearly have that solved!

  • cliff-Misused by Chippah

    gun to head, my top 3 choices of next coach
    1. TC…cause of the old man jokes
    2. Ped..cause he’ll be Reid-lite, so when he starts to stink, i’ll know
    3. Shurmur…had front row seat of a disaster, so, he should have learned at least not what to do.
    .
    listing of my top 3 coaches that I want least:
    1. TC..he’s 70. I cant even sit in same room with my 73 yr old father controlling remote
    2. Ped…because his ceiling is most likely Reid post JJ
    3. Shurmur. just cause you are the most competent Officer on the Titanic does mean you should get the keys to the next ocean liner

    • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

      Switch 2 & 3

    • knighn

      This. Quite simply: none of the coaching candidates announced so far will really impress me when hired. I just hope whoever they hire will have had some success as a coordinator or Head Coach on any level. I can pretty much guarantee that whoever they hire I’ll respond with a resounding “Meh”.

      • cliff-Misused by Chippah

        i’ll support of at least glass half full next coach. i’m first and foremost an Eagles fan. I remembering hating the Reid hire, and was all about Kelly. so, what do I know?

        • peteike

          me too, Ill be there with the rest of you

        • knighn

          Reid is an extremely good coach. I always wonder if his flaws will keep him from being a truly great one (capable of winning a Super Bowl).
          Chip Kelly, like it or not, is a special coach. He just might have a ceiling at the college level. Unless he does some serious growing (i.e. he gets a Personality Coach) he just may not belong in the NFL.

      • Honest_T

        Exactly! The problem is that if you have a mediocre coach, you need a GREAT personnel department which we are clearly lacking.

    • peteike

      so #2 is the answer then because there’s a “most likely” caveat in there, good times ahead. Whos the KC backup QB so we can get a head start on who hes bringing over

      • cliff-Misused by Chippah

        that crappy guy out of mizzou, was on Saints

        • peteike

          bring on the champ game losses

      • Rockedupeaglesfan

        Chase Daniel

        • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

          I’ll choose Jack Daniels every time.

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            I thought I had enough Jack this weekend to last me a few months, but it still sounds a lot better than any amount of Chase

  • Max Lightfoot

    It’s pretty sad when you watch the ESPN news scroll and see all these other fired-coach teams lining up interviews and when it comes to the Eagles: nothing. God knows what they have up they sleeves …

    Gonna be another rebuild. Maybe a long one, and the QB quest is problematic. I hope they find a decent coach, but the revival tour of The Jefe/Howie Experience leaves me slightly less than ecstatic. As Bill the Cat said “Gaaaacck!”

    • Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

      I think they have a lot of nothing up their sleeves…

      • Johnny Domino

        Presto!

    • MS

      Not sure what you mean though, they have interviewed a bunch of people…

      • Max Lightfoot

        Maybe they can interview Ralph Bunche.

  • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

    Why haven’t we interviewed Davis yet?

    • Rockedupeaglesfan

      Billy?

      • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

        Yeah man. We’re all about unsuccessful people as candidates, aside from Old Man River.

        • Rockedupeaglesfan

          You mean the future ILB coach at NW South Dakota State

  • Howie Deflating My Puffy Coat

    Hue to Browns.

    • botto

      brown.

  • Ed

    Just hire Tom Coughlin as the head coach, Ben McAdoo as the OC, and Steve Spagnuolo as the DC. Then change the team colors… maybe a blue?

    Call it a day.

    • Derp. Coaches in the sportsing. The sportsball is super important!

  • Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

    At least Hue isn’t going to NY

  • Binny

    its like the Eagles front office said “let’s look at every mediocre candidate we can find and hire one. I would rather have kept chip Kelly then hire any of these clowns. Tom is the only viable option at this point.

    • Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

      Id agree if it was only coach Chip and GM Chip had never happened… But Kelly had to go.

  • Matt W.

    McAdoo? Here we go. Another pass first, run the ball if the other team says its okay offense. Only difference is we don’t have anyone in the same zipcode as Eli or ODB jr to justify that style of offense. We should start looking at who will be the top candidates in 2018. Its gonna be valuable info.

    • Matt W.

      I have a sinking feeling that we’re about to become the Browns of the NFC East.

  • Rockedupeaglesfan

    When did it become so desireable to get an offensive guy? Is this a common theme in other league circles? Like maybe there is a trend I’m missing. Look at the last 10 SB winners. 8 are defensive guys. Payton and McCarthy are the only 2 offensive guys. I’m not saying this to push exclusively for a defensive guy, but at least interview one. Otherwise, you cut the talent pool in half.

  • bizurk schadenfreude 2015

    It’s about time PC Principal got a good look

  • Dan

    More like McADon’t! Seriously, he isn’t even the strongest “Mc” coaching candidate available.

  • bobc74

    So sorry, but he was just named coach of the NY Giants.

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