Mayock: Mariota’s a Projection Unless Chip Lands Him

Courtesy of USA Today

Courtesy of USA Today

NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock talked to Mike Missanelli on 97.5 The Fanatic Friday, and he isn’t too smitten with this year’s QB class.

“It’s not a real good quarterback draft,” Mayock said. “You’ve got two quarterbacks that are head-and-shoulders above everyone else, and even they have their own holes. One on the field and one off the field.

[Jameis] Winston, I really like everything I see about him on the field because you can see him throw with anticipation, you can see him in the pocket, you can see all the things you want. But off the field, I’m scared to death of him.”

The conversation quickly shifted to Marcus Mariota.

“Mariota is the opposite,” Mayock said. “First guy in the building everyday, all those kinds of things. No problems off the field. But for everyone but Chip Kelly, he’s a projection because of the type of offense he runs.

“From a physical trait perspective, he has everything you want. He’s big, he’s athletic, he’s got great feet, and he’s got a live arm. So on the surface, the individual components all work. The problem is he’s a projection coming to the next level because of the pocket awareness, the progressions and the reads.”

Mayock noted that he’s only studied three of Mariota’s games so far. But against Arizona and Stanford, he thought Mariota had issues with accuracy.

“The second piece is the pocket awareness piece,” he said. “I think he’s inconsistent. There’s some full-field reads. I think he tucks the ball down and runs early, and the problem is right there. You can’t kill a kid for using his legs to win games. That’s what he’s supposed to do, that’s what he’s coached to do. So you can’t kill him for it because he’s doing all the right things. But it does become a projection as to whether he can do what his coach in the NFL’s gonna tell him to do.

“I want to buy into Marcus Mariota. He’s clean, there’s no off-the-field issues. I love all the individual components. I’m not sure watching every single snap is going to help me determine whether or not he can progress or project into an NFL team or not. It’s really hard.”

But how hard should Kelly pursue Mariota? What price would be too high for the Heisman winner?

“If you take the assumption that you can’t win a Super Bowl without a ‘franchise quarterback’ and in modern football history, who has won Super Bowls without one? Maybe Baltimore with [Trent] Dilfer and maybe Tampa Bay with Brad Johnson? And you could say maybe Nick Foles is like one of those two guys. But those two guys had two of the best defenses in the history of the NFL.

“So if you can’t win a Super Bowl without a franchise quarterback, and there’s only 10 or 11 franchise quarterbacks at most in our league today, then you better beg, borrow or steal and figure out a way to get one if you don’t think you have one. …If the Eagles think he’s the guy and that they can win a Super Bowl with Marcus Mariota, given people around him and a good defense, then I think they have to try and go get him.”

There’s also the theory of waiting on a quarterback and trying to get one after the first round. But Mayock said he doesn’t even know who the third quarterback off the board is going to be.

“I don’t like anybody there,” Mayock said. “There’s an average of only about 12 quarterbacks drafted a year, and only about five on average go in the first three rounds. I’m not sure if I’ll even have a second- or third-round grade on another guy by the time I get done. I think the guy that’s a little bit intriguing is Brett Hundley from UCLA. He’s a big, strong kid. He’s got a good arm. He is athletic. But he’s inconsistent from an accuracy standpoint, he’s not as comfortable in the pocket, and I question his decision-making.”

Tucker Bagley is a Temple student and an intern at Birds 24/7.

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  • Will

    “If you take the assumption that you can’t win a Super Bowl without a ‘franchise quarterback’ and in modern football history, who has won Super Bowls without one? Maybe Baltimore with [Trent] Dilfer and maybe Tampa Bay with Brad Johnson? And you could say maybe Nick Foles is like one of those two guys. But those two guys had two of the best defenses in the history of the NFL.
    Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/02/07/mayock-good-quarterback-draft/#sTGW9AMJaJTEF0AV.99

    I still think Mariota gets drafted by Tampa Bay they need a franchise QB…

    • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

      I think Tampa and Tennessee would be stupid for taking either of these kids. They both have QBs they should be trying to develop. Why would Tampa risk a project in MM, or the risk of Winston, when they have Glennon sitting right there. The kid has a good TD/int ratio for a small sample size, and plenty of talent if they’d only let him play. Same goes for Mettenburger in Tennessee. They’d each be better served getting talent to compliment those two, and leaving the projects for another team.

      Whisenhunt did well with Rivers, Warner, and Roethlisburger,…Mettenburger fits that mold. They won’t take a QB. So at least one of them is gonna fall out of the top two.

      Lovie never took a QB earlier the Orton in the 4th while at Chicago. You wanna talk about some bad drafts, yikes!

      The more I think about it idk if either of these two pick a QB. It just doesn’t make sense. And if they want to abandon Glennon or Mettenburger I’d be happy to have them back up Foles.

      Now Washington…there’s a team that loves projects and bad personnel decisions…

      • Nicky Puffy CoatS

        Lovie benched Glennon for McCown. Hard to say he loves the kid and won’t be looking for a QB. Either of MM or Winston is better than Glennon. One of those two is going to TB.

        • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

          Not that he loves Glennon, anything but. But I don’t think he values QB as much as he should. Defensive coaches have a problem putting the proper value on offensive skill players. Maybe that’s just me growing up watching Buddy and Ray totally neglect the offense for so long, but Lovie falls in that category imo.

          • Nicky Puffy CoatS

            Well, he may. Certainly a valid point.

          • Will

            Tampa Bay’s GM might feel differently about the QB spot…

          • Kev_H

            Cutler- the most expensive QB acquisition/reach in modern times occurred under his coaching tenure in Chicago.

      • Will

        On the hot seat: Mike Glennon
        February, 3, 2015
        By Pat Yasinskas | ESPN.com

        TAMPA, Fla. — We continue our look at veteran Buccaneers who could be candidates for trade or release this offseason with quarterback Mike Glennon.

        Glennon Why he could be on the hot seat: The Bucs hold the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, and they could use it on quarterbacks Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota. That would leave Glennon in a tough spot. Veteran Josh McCown likely would be asked to play the role of mentor to a rookie, and it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to carry a third quarterback. Glennon has done some positive things when he has had a chance to play during the past two seasons, and he could have some trade value. Glennon is good enough to be a No. 2 quarterback for a lot of teams, and the Bucs could shop him for a draft pick.

        Why he could stay: The Bucs could pull a surprise and not draft a quarterback. I think that’s unlikely, but not impossible. Coach Lovie Smith has shown a stubborn streak, and he could decide to stick with McCown, who he brought in last year, as the starter and keep Glennon as the backup. Glennon does have a strong arm, good work ethic and some intangibles. But this coaching staff already has sent Glennon to the bench twice — once when McCown was signed and once when McCown came back from a thumb injury after Glennon had started five games. If the Bucs can’t get a decent draft pick for Glennon, they could bring him to training camp and ponder the possibility of keeping three quarterbacks. But that will only happen if the coaching staff believes Glennon still has some upside.

        • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

          It’s nuts, the kid is far from a bust. 2to1Td/int ratio fumbles are high tho. He’ll land as a backup somewhere

          • Nicky Puffy CoatS

            Kid was a third round pick, so it’s kind of hard to even label him a bust.

      • Kev_H

        Do you think the Eagles would be stupid then if they magically had a top 5 pick? Foles > Glennon or Mettenburger.

        A counter to your L. Smith QB: The Bears traded two first round picks (2009’s 18th overall), a third round pick, and his starting QB (Kyle Orton) for Jay Cutler- who had 37 games under his belt and showed promise, but not greatness. Has anyone spent/reached more trying to attain the elusive franchise QB in current years?

      • Rockedupeaglesfan

        I’m not sure Glennon or Metenberger have as much upside as Foles. Both are later rd projects. If TB or Tenn have high 1st rd grades on these guys they’d be crazy not to draft a QB now.

        • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

          I think Mettenburger has more potential than Glennon. The simalarities in playing style btwn him, Rivers, and Big Ben is what leads me to the assumption Whisenhunt will roll with him. People forget he took an Arizona team that wasn’t spectacular to the Super Bowl. No small thanks to Jim Johnson’s 2nd worst game ever. God rest his brilliant soul.

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            I agree that Mettenberger could fit the vertical style of Wiz’s offense, but he’s a mid rd guy with injury questions (ACL, back) that go back to college. Not the guy you pass on a top prospect for. If they were down a bit and missed on one of the top 2 guys they could convince themselves that they are fine at QB, but that’s not the same as passing and getting crucified by your fanbase if those guys go on to be stars.

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            Depends what you do with the pick. If you trade it get a boatload of picks that solidify your team it’s hard to argue. Now St. Louis drafted well with the RG3 picks( Stedman Bailey, Michael Brockers, Janoris Jenkins, Alec Ogletree, Greg Robinson and Zac Stacy). Cleveland got 3 picks from ATL for Julio’s pick and did very little with it, only Phil Taylor is even on the team to this day.

            Considering how much help they each need, a trade out, and sticking with the young guys might be a better option.

    • Rockedupeaglesfan

      Wait, did you just post a link in the comments section to the article being commented on?

      • Will

        yes it is a quote from above…so have to give the author credit…

        • Rockedupeaglesfan

          I guess I just expected the link to take me to a new article.

      • BlindChow

        Phillymag automatically adds the link when you copy/paste from their article on desktop computers. (You can delete it though..)

        • Rockedupeaglesfan

          Gotcha

    • jesse

      First off Foles will be better then both those QB’s . But beyond that even if you follow his reasoning that you go out and get your elite QB at any price if you think you can when it all with him and a team around him, is a flawed strategy. On order to get an elite QB you have to have at least a top ten more like top 5 draft pick or mortgage your draft for that year and next two to three drafts to get him. So if your a top five pick team you have a bad team beyond a elite QB so your still looking at year’s minimum 3 to bet to a upper level of play that if your QB even pans out. If your trading away your future for said QB how are you going to put the necessary talent around him to win? See we are stuck if as others say and Nick can’t be that guy with a good line good run game and efficient D. Cause as it is this team is at least good enough to be a upper 1/3 of the league team. So we never are gonna get that pick that puts you on the map. And if we play bad enough to get that pick yup ash are gonna drum CK OUTTA town. Do what do you do? I believe you build on what we have . Is Nick elite ? IDk. I think he Is good enough to win at a high level . I think this team would go much further with 3 good draft picks and FA pick ups at secondary OLB ILB OL and sticking with Foles then mortgaging everything for one pick art a position that has a player that has a 15 -4 or what ever record over the last Two season

  • Bullwinkle

    I think Mayock underates Foles. He’s not an Arron Rogers or a Tom Brady, but he is better than Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson. And he still has upside potential. Mayock says there are 10 or 11 franchise QBs in the league. I’m not sure that is true. I think once you get past the 4 or 5 truly elite QBs, there are a lot of guys who are good and are very close in overall ability, including Foles. Some of the formerly elite QBs are on the downside of their careers.

    I think Mariota will be the number 1 choice, unless he fails to impress at the combine.

    • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

      I think he is Brad Johnson. but that’s not a bad thing. Johnson has a ring, and did a fair amount of slinging the rock 30k yds and 166TDs

      • bentheimmigrant

        Like, literally?

        • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

          Yeah, pretty much. He’s not 27/2, and he’s not what we saw last year. He’s good enough, but he’s not great.

          • DoctorRick

            And this is probably the ultimate conclusion.

    • Kev_H

      You can read a number of qualified analysts who feel Foles is on the cusp of the top 10 QBs in the league (Bill Polian for one) and is already top half. That kind of QB is hard to come by and if you have one, attempts to upgrade at a high cost, outside of acquiring an NFL established, clear upgrade, are likely to be futile.

      If you want to categorize/project Foles among the Super Champ QBs based on play (not durability so far), his floor has to be Eli Manning and Joe Flacco- play well enough to keep a good team in the mix with the potential to get scalding hot and lead them on a run.

      • Bullwinkle

        I agree with the Manning/Flacco analogy. Foles has demonstrated the ability to lead the team, but must be more consistent.

        • Kev_H

          Good point! Which is why I say floor (which is arguably hopeful). Depending on when you are watching Flacco/Manning, they can look horrible, but when they are on, they can look like the best QB ever. Hopefully with some games under his belt, Foles can keep the horrible times to a minimum be more consistent than those guys have been.

      • Breathe 21

        (No particular order) 1. Manning 2. Rodgers. 3. Brady 4. Brees 5. Big Ben 6. Rivers 7. Luck 8. Ryan 9. Romo 10. Stafford. (1-10 are clearly way better than Foles) 11. Eli 12. Wilson 13. Flacco 14. Tannehill (11-14 are definitely better, but not way better). He’s in that 3rd tier somewhere around Dalton, behind Cam Newton and Kaepernick. I don’t see how anyone could argue he’s on the cusp if I can name that many Qbs who are better than him. There are also better prospects (Winston) entering the league every year. He gave no signs of encouragement last season.

        • http://detroitlionsall22.wordpress.com The Answer

          I lived outside Detroit this year and watched a lot of Lions tape, you are overrating Stafford. I wouldn’t say he’s clearly better than Foles at all. I’d slide Flacco and Wilson ahead of Stafford for sure and probably Eli. But I agree Foles is in that 14-18 range with a chance to climb. He’s only made 19 starts, he is still a young QB. Let’s see what he can do this season with weapons and a hopefully healthier o-line. I think people will be see a better player when he’s confident with the guys up front and isn’t brutally beat up (Washington game). I think he was hurting after that and not confident in the line, thus initiating his mostly awful footwork for the next 5 games. Now I’m not deflecting the blame from Foles he was poor for most of the season. But I’m not slamming the book on him like some others because of a bad 7-game stretch (in which the team went 5-2). That’s foolishness.

          • Breathe 21

            Stafford is clearly better than Foles off of arm talent alone. He’s a better prospect and doesn’t have the horrible footwork Foles has. Stafford’s arm allows him to overcome his flaws. Foles isn’t physically gifted enough to overcome his flaws on the field and he paid for it last season. Stafford also doesn’t play in an offense as good as ours. He played plenty of games without a run game and is relied on much more than Foles. I don’t see how you can argue Foles is close based on actual football. Flacco and Stafford are close, but I see Stafford make throws Flacco and Wilson don’t make. Wilson hasn’t evolved enough yet. The Hawks offense is still built around Lynch. Btw, that Washington game was his best last season. His footwork was horrible before this season and that game.

          • http://detroitlionsall22.wordpress.com The Answer

            Flacco and Wilson are winners and make plays in crunch time consistently. Yes they are in a better situation than Stafford has been career wise, but I don’t punish them for that. Neither has had Calvin Johnson on their team either. I would take them over Stafford, based on production they are superior and far more consistent at this point. Stafford has had 1 great season and has been poor/mediocre otherwise. We’ll see if he improves in year 2 of Joe Lombardi’s Saints scheme.

            Certainly Stafford is the better prospect than Foles (1st overall vs. 88th) and has a cannon of an arm. However his mechanics are extremely inconsistent/flawed, which leads to him being an inaccurate passer. Based on talent he’s great, but based on production, he’s above average and in the low-to-mid teens among OBs. He’s had the best WR in the league on his team, that certainly helps his offense. The running game in DET was horrid this year for sure (better in 2013), they probably will draft a RB in the mid rounds.

            Also, Stafford is a 6-year veteran in the NFL, Foles has been around for just 3 years.

            And I disagree Foles footwork was ‘horrible before this season’ (meaning 2013?)…They guy was phenomenal in 2013, you don’t put up ridiculous numbers with horrible footwork. Was he perfect? Of course not…looked good enough to me as a 2nd yr guy, not everyone is Tom Brady.

            http://youtu.be/WmEsU6vielE

          • Breathe 21

            1) I refuse to debate whether Foles footwork was horrible. There are scouting reports and articles by experts that state this is fact. You cannot bring up “numbers” as your argument for mechanical flaws. The only stat that was “ridiculous” was his TD/INT ratio, which realistically is not impressive when you’re watching the film. Sanchez is proof that this is a “QB friendly” system. It is fact that plenty of passes by Foles were dropped by opposing teams that would have resulted in INTs. That proves that some stats are misleading. Foles didn’t do an amazing job at avoiding the hands of a defender like a Brady would, defenders did a poor job of catching the ball. The only impressive stat Foles actually has is his winning record as QB of this team.

            2) Stating Stafford’s mechanics are equally or more flawed than Foles is just nonsense and biased. Clearly, experts do not agree with you. He is a much better prospect because of the difference of various reasons including mechanics. He is much more productive and relied on to do much more than Foles. Stafford does have Calvin Johnson, but produced well when he was out for a chunk of the season. He also still has to make all the throws to him. Stafford’s head coach has been fired due to poor coaching. Foles on the other hand is playing for a great offensive mind, in an offense built around the run game. He’s great benefited by McCoy, who led the nation in rushing in 2013. He also had Pro Bowl weapon D Jax on that offense. Stafford plays with Calvin Johnson as the only great talent on his team. He attempted 634 pass attempts to Foles’ 317. That is literally half, stating that he is relied on way less. He is clearly better than Nick Foles. Foles led the league in TOs before he got injured.

            3)Stafford has had 1 great season and has been poor/mediocre in the rest? Excuse me? 2011 Stafford had a monster year, much better as a QB than Flacco, Wison, and Foles have ever come close to. It was on a Drew Brees level. He also had a very good season in 2014, especially considering the circumstances. Russell Wilson and Flacco had much easier jobs than Stafford when they won the SB. Flacco had a great post season, but wasn’t that good during the regular season of his SB year. I’m not even a Stafford fan, but I respect talent when I see it. In reality, Foles is the QB who only has one good season.

          • http://detroitlionsall22.wordpress.com The Answer

            Calm down there just having a football discussion didn’t mean to get you worked up.

            Russell Wilson was the difference for Seattle in some of those games this year because he made plays when the pocket collapsed. Watch the games. It’s built around Lynch but without Wilson, they don’t run the table down the stretch. Fact. He’s not elite yet but he’s certainly a top 10 QB. Fact.
            A good season from Stafford this year huh? He was very average the one thing he did well was limit TOs. Other than that he was very average and definitely not ‘good.’ But I’m sure you watch the Lions every week so you know it all and so do your experts. So again, 1 great season from Stafford was 2011. Nothing more. He has not lived up to his talent outside of 2011. He’s in the 12-15 range of QBs a step above Foles for now. I’m just trying to be logical here and not throw Foles away because of 7 bad games. But you and a bunch of others want to jump ship and boot him out..for who? Just so you can claim you were right all along if he falters again next year? Let’s gather more data (hello logic! Reason!) I’m all for moving up if Mariota slides past 10 or whatever but he’s not a sure thing either and is a flawed prospect as well right now because of the unknown accuracy from the pocket, progressions, etc. plus I think Foles would beat him out for the starting job in TC.

            You keep stating all the experts disagree with me on Foles footwork…uhh did you read my post? I said his footwork was obviously terrible this season that’s a fact…but to say his footwork was horrible in 2013 is a new one. He regressed. Dont let 2014 cloud your memory of his 2013 performance. Tell me which ‘experts’ were claiming Foles had terrible footwork after his 2013 season? You don’t have a historical QB season with horrible footwork in the NFL. And so what he got some breaks In 2013. Everyone has INTs dropped. Let’s say he throws 5 INTs instead of 2…still a great season. I’m not sold on the guy either way but I’ve seen him be successful and I’m willing to see him play in 2015 before making finate conclusions that he can’t be a decent top 10-12 type QB, which you can win a Super Bowl with.

          • Breathe 21

            Lol, I’m definitely calm. While I’m calm, I still refuse to debate Fole’s footwork. It is a known fact Foles has poor footwork and was the knock on him throughout his career. That’s not a year to year issue. That takes years to fix. It wasn’t good in 2013 and bad in 2014. That’s insane. It has never been good and having O line issues brought out the worst in him. He had zero confidence and would have poor footwork when nobody was pressuring him. You said you don’t have a historical season with horrible footwork? Do you believe Cam Newton is a great QB? He shattered rookie QB records, but is very flawed. What would be your explanation for that? RG3 and Kaepernick had good seasons too when they started. Look at them now? That’s not regression. RG3 was never good to begin with. If you’re telling me that Stafford finishing in the top 5 in yardage like 3-4 years in a row on the Lions is average, we strongly disagree on what average is. As far as Wilson being top 10, I’m not sure about that. His job is much easier than other QBs and that formula is working. 1) Rodgers 2) Manning 3)Brady 4) Brees 5) Rivers 6) Big Ben 7) Luck 8) Ryan 9) Eli 10) Romo. Based on what those guys are asked to do and the fact that they are more productive than Wilson let’s me know they are better than him. What has Wilson done to supplant any of these QBs? Which QB on this list is he better than?

          • http://detroitlionsall22.wordpress.com The Answer

            Newton is not a great QB, he has not had any great seasons. He had a decent rookie season, but not anywhere near as good as Foles’ 2013, don’t try to get cute. RG3 had a nice rookie year, wasn’t a historically great QB season. But he was never good in 2012? Everyone sucks if they aren’t elite huh? Yeah, thanks for playing.

            And I refuse to believe that Foles’ footwork was horrible in 2013. I’m confident in saying that if you watched the games, his footwork wasn’t terrible that year. Not sure why you’re being so stubborn about it. I understand that’s been an issue for him throughout his career but it wasn’t awful two years ago. He reverted to terrible footwork in 2014 seemingly after getting beat up and losing confidence in his O-Line. Not uncommon for a young QB. Needs to be cleaned up & improved in 2015, I’m sure that is one of his main focuses this offseason.

            So what Stafford finished in the top 5 in yardage as you state…they threw the ball a ton. Means nothing. Completion percentage, TD/INT %, YPA are far more important QB stats than total yardage passing. And if you watch him, you would know he’s just above average, nowhere near elite or even the 2nd tier. He’s way too inconsistent with his ball placement. I’ll be lazy and just list Stafford’s last three seasons of QB Rating: 79.8, 84, 85. Mediocre/slightly above average on a team with a decent offense. Your opinion of him is inflated based on one great season three years ago, and high yardage totals. That’s not how you logically evaluate a player.

            Right now I could argue for taking Russell Wilson over Eli Manning and Matt Ryan and also Romo b/c of injury concerns. Wilson is a winner, he usually finds a way. A little lucky sure, got to make your luck. I’d rank Wilson behind Luck, Big Ben and Rivers, so about 8th and definitely top 10. That’s just me, I don’t think my ranking is an outlier either.

          • Breathe 21

            This is ridiculously illogical. Wilson is a winner… He’s a little more than a game manager, who is lead by the best defense in the NFL and hands the ball off Lynch. That defense won the SB before Wilson even took a snap. You’re giving him too much credit. Rivers and Big Ben have done more and still do much more than WIlson in this league. I can’t continue a ridiculous conversation like this. No further comments for me.

          • http://detroitlionsall22.wordpress.com The Answer

            I’m illogical? You used total passing yards to validate Stafford being better than guys he isn’t. Open your eyes dude I have Wilson behind Big Ben and Rivers lol. And this year, Wilson made plenty of crucial plays to spark that offense. You are underrating him and disregarding him because he is in a good situation. If you would have watched his career going back to college, you would understand he is a winner and a clutch player and makes winning plays with his arms and legs. Ranking him in the top 10, ask your ‘experts’ many would agree. But apparently winning doesn’t matter to you as much as ‘total passing yards’. Again, watch the games. He’ll continue to prove you wrong, would have been a great fit here. Adios.

          • Breathe 21

            I didn’t use total passing yards to validate who’s better. I went into detail unlike you. You have yet to breakdown anything you’re saying. Plenty of Qbs would win the SB if they were on the Hawks. It is a fact that Stafford does more and has higher responsibility than Wilson. Numbers back that up. Foles and Wilson throw a significantly low amount of passes in comparison to Stafford and others. It’s easier to be in Wilson’s position. I like Wilson, but he isn’t even close to an elite QB. He was throwing INT after INT in that GB game. This is more of what he would play like if he the offense rested on his shoulders. You cannot be a top 10 QB with such an easy job in comparison to Qbs who carry their whole offense and are more productive. The Seahawks are a way better team than SD, Det, NYG, Dal, Atl, Mia, Ind, Pit, Bal, and Car. Yet, all these QBs jobs are much harder than Wilson’s. Of course, Wilson is at an advantage over these players. Some of these players still outperform him because they are better. Putting Wilson in the top 10 is disrespectful to the QBs who do more than him and are more successful. You cannot tell me Wilson is a BETTER QB than 1)Manning 2)Rodgers 3)Brady 4)Brees 5)Big Ben 6) Rivers 7)Luck 8)Ryan 9)Eli 10)Romo. They have CARRIED their franchises. The Seahawks are led by their DEFENSE, Lynch IS THEIR BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER. If you can’t see this, you’re DELUSIONAL!

          • http://detroitlionsall22.wordpress.com The Answer

            I went into detail and have used stats, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I agree that Wilson is not tasked with as much responsibility as others but you are oversimplifying it. They don’t run Lynch 25 times a game as you seem to believe. Here are some stats for you: Lynch has averaged under 20 carries every year with the Seahawks (18.8 in 2013, 17.5 in 2014).
            Wilson was bad for most of the NFC Championship game, but come on 2 of those 4 picks hit Kearse in stride in the hands. Not on the QB. Wilson has taken on more responsibility. Did you watch the Super Bowl? He made plenty of pin point throws, that drive before the half after the first run play was because of him. Seattle’s best passing game target was Doug Baldwin! Their WR/TE are similar to the early 2000 Eagles, who had a great D, run game, and McNabb at QB. Lynch is better than Staley+Buckhalter but still it reminds me of that team. Yet Wilson like a young McNabb made plenty of game-changing plays.

            We agree to disagree and that’s fine. I think Wilson is in the same tier as Matt Ryan, Romo and Eli going into 2015. I guess that makes me delusional.

            Oh and here’s another nugget from before the 2014 season began: Per ESPN, 26 league insiders ranked the QBs into tiers…Wilson was in tier 2 and tied for 8th overall with Ryan, Romo and Eli. So league insiders are also delusional, but armchair GM ‘Breathe21’ is smarter than us all. BTW, Stafford was 13th, Foles 15th. Enjoy those stats. Thanks for playing.

            http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11156302/nfl-anonymous-league-insiders-rank-32-starting-quarterbacks-tiers

          • Breathe 21

            Lol @ the ESPN insiders… I won’t even click that post. That’s a ridiculous statement. Those are the same people who named Flacco elite after winning one SB over better QBs in this league. We just have to agree to disagree. Ryan, Romo, and Eli clearly do much more for their franchises than Wilson.

          • jesse

            Uh he also played half a season less

          • jesse

            Wrong on every thing you just said. Brb going to get stats that say so

        • Kev_H

          You are just listing names. A lot of people put him in there with the current versions of Ryan and E. Manning, Stafford, Tannehill. Numbers, rather than hair style, name syllables or whatever you are going on, would put him there for sure.

          • Breathe 21

            Based on numbers he’s close to Matt Ryan?

            Ryan 2014 – 16 GP, 4,694 yds, 415 Comp, 628 Att, 66.1 CP%, 28 TD, 14 INT, 31 Sack, 4 fum
            Foles 2014 – 8 GP, 2163 yds, 186 Comp, 311 Att, 59.8 CP%, 13 TD, 10 INT, 9 Sack, 3 Fum

            Ryan 2013 – 16 GP, 4,515 yds, 439 Comp, 651 Att, 67.4 CP%, 26 TD, 17 INT, 44 Sack, 4 Fum

            Foles 2013 – 13 GP 2,819 yds, 203 Comp, 317 Att, 64 CP%, 27 TD, 2 INT, 28 Sack, 2 Fum

            Ryan has multiple impressive seasons to go along with that. Foles has ONE SEASON of success. How you compare him to Ryan, Eli, and Stafford is ridiculous. Can he put together more than one good season? Can he win a single playofff game before we anoint him?

          • Ed Kelly

            I don’t know and neither does anyone else we shall see friends ,we shall see

        • jesse

          Lol Romo stanford tannehill bahaha

        • Travis Papa

          Stafford and Dalton are completely reliant on having superstar wrs making them look good. Newton is ok. Kaepernick is garbage. Eli would be done without odb. Tannehill is emerging but not special yet. Flacco had 1 postseason but has been a consistent winner. I’d say foles could easily be in the top12-14 right now. If he doesn’t get hurt and leads us to the playoffs I’d say top10

          • Breathe 21

            Are you reading your own comment? Are you hearing yourself? Foles had ONE GOOD, NOT GREAT, but ONE GOOD SEASON! Anyone can say he’s reliant on Chip Kelly and McCoy, who our offense is based around. You guys need to really look at how much more productive and how much more other QBs do for their team. Kaepernick is not garbage, he’s more talented than Foles. If Kaep played in this system, you would be saying he’s much better than Foles. How can you downplay Tannehill’s season when he had a better season than Foles has ever had. Foles plays in a better offense with a better supporting cast. Foles would be “done” without McCoy, Maclin, D Jax, and Kelly. Foles is not a consistent winner, Flacco clearly is. These comments are insane. People talked about RG3 just like this after ONE SEASON, which the Redskins went to the playoffs.

          • Travis Papa

            You need to take your own advice buddy and just breathe. Kaep is not accurate but has a strong arm very mcnabbish in that he does not understand touch everything is a fastball. Of course he might put up a bunch of pts in this offense but he was also supposed to be in a QB friendly offense and sputtered. Tannehill might be good and He is showing signs of improvement but I’d rather have foles at this point. He would also look good in our offense bc he can throw and has the athleticism as a former wr but I don’t know about his decision making being great.

          • Breathe 21

            Kaep wasn’t in a QB friendly situation, regardless of it being a QB friendly offense. He has one weapon, Vernon Davis, who was hurt last year. That’s not QB friendly. Gore didn’t have a good season. Tannehill clearly had a better season than Foles’ best season and is clearly more talented. Foles’ decision making is questionable because he was horrible last year. He would be holding on to the ball, while looking at wide open WRs. I don’t get the biased Foles praise. Look at Tannehill’s numbers and situation. He doesn’t have a McCoy, Maclin, or D Jax on his team. Plenty of players don’t have the supporting cast Foles has in Philly.

    • Rockedupeaglesfan

      I think of a Franchise QB as a guy that, when you have him, you don’t even think about drafting his replacement. So Matt Ryan would fit my description, without being elite, the Falcons think they are fine there for years to come. Under those criteria, I’m agreeing with Mayock’s numbers. Foles hasn’t reached that status, we really haven’t had it since McNabb, and I don’t see us becoming a perennial contender until we have a guy achieve it.

    • Breathe 21

      You think Foles is close in overall ability to elite Qbs? How so? I see a QB who lacks pocket awareness, doesn’t read defenses well, has flawed footwork, inconsistent accuracy, and a horrible deep ball due to lack of arm strength. I can’t see how he’s close to an Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees and Big Ben in any capacity. There’s a gap between him and 2nd tier players as well. He’s not as good as Luck, Ryan, Romo, Wilson, and Stafford either. I think Foles is somewhere in that 3rd tier. He’s a starter in this league, but far from someone who can lead a team to victory against an elite defense. He’s not even good enough to entertain the possibility. I think people are giving him too much credit.

      • Bullwinkle

        I don’t think he has the ability of Rogers, Luck, or Brady. As far as comparison with other QBs, it depends on whether you are talking about the 2013 Foles or the 2014 Foles. Additionally, despite the flaws demonstrated by Foles in 2014, the Eagles won most of the games he played in and were close to being undefeated. Foles is still a work in progress and with improvement, has the potential to be considered as one of the top 8 or so QBs.

        • Breathe 21

          Again, I would ask in what way specifically does Foles have the potential to be a top 8-10 QB? Every season better prospects (Winston) will enter the league with more potential than Foles. There are already more than 10 QBs who have more potential and more talent than Foles right now. 2013 Foles and 2014 Foles have the same exact skill set. Are insinuating that Foles regressed. How so? Chip Kelly’s system is the reason behind Foles’ 2013 season. People have studied what our offense is and are better prepared to defend it. We’re not catching teams by complete surprise anymore. The 2013 Foles is clearly not on the level of 2nd tier QBs like Ryan, Stafford, Wilson, Romo, or Eli. He’s underneath Cam Newton, Kaepernick, and Tannehill. We also won many games with Sanchez and won games in spite of Foles playing like trash. We won games dominated by special teams and defense. He’s definitely a starter in this league, but he’s nothing special.

          • BlindChow

            As far as teams figuring out Chip’s system, there were still plenty of wide open receivers in 2014 that Foles either missed or just outright didn’t see, so I don’t see that as a major reason for his regression this year.

          • Breathe 21

            I agree there were plenty open receivers in 2014, but the same can be said for 2013. He just had a healthier O line last year to give him more time to find them. I personally don’t feel he regressed. He had plenty of luck in 2013 and nowhere near as much 2014. In 2013, he missed a wide open D Jax on plenty of deep balls, as he did Maclin in 2014. He underthrew Cooper on a deep ball in double coverage against GB, which Cooper had to slow down and make a sliding/diving catch. He underthrew another deep ball to D Jax where it hit right off the defenders hands into D Jax hands for six. These are some of the highlights of 2013. He’s the same exact guy in my eyes.

          • MagsJonesingYesNo

            Healthy O Line or not, we still saw so many times when Nick had plenty of time, yet dithered and dawdled and eventually was hit. Footwork and headwork both need serious improvement. Both may very well have suffered from change of QB coach.

          • Bullwinkle

            Time will tell. Most of the time, things don’t turn out exactly like we think they will. I know that’s true for me. But I like to be optimistic and think that Foles can be a better QB in 2015 than he was in 2014, but perhaps not as good as 2013. I think that Foles has a stronger focus and commitment to improve than some of the more athletically gifted QBs have. Also, there is more to athletic talent than being able to run the 40 in under 4.5 seconds. Wayne Gretzky was not the biggest, strongest guy or the swiftest skater, he was just the best hockey player. Larry Bird did not have the speed and agility of most other players, but he sure could play basketball.

            People point out bad throws Foles has made and he has made throws that went for TDs that were not 100% dead on. That said I’ve seen the elite franchise QBs make similar throws. I’ve seen all of them look bad in games. I’ve seen them do some really dumb stuff.

          • MagsJonesingYesNo

            Total tangent: I was in Edmonton during the 80’s. Wayne Gretzky was an exceptional offensive talent, especially paired with Jarri Kurri. He could see the whole ice, apparently, and had that instinctive ability to see where other players are going to be in 2 or 3 seconds. Similiar to QBs throwing the ball to the spot a receiver is going to be. However, Gretzky never played defense. He only weighed something like 165 or 170 pounds, max. Couldn’t hit to save his life. My favourite player was Mark Messier. Big, fast, could score or pass, and once he hit someone, they stayed as far away from him as they could get. And he had a sense of humour!

          • Bullwinkle

            Oilers were great back then.

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            The system has a lot of sound principles and can work without a mobile QB to an extent, and we’ve seen that. But you also have to realize how much of the element of keeping defenses honest is lost without the option. Also, how much was it dumbed down for Sanchez? I think Chip will always be able to adapt. Every time the defense adjust, they open a new vulnerability. It’s just a matter of the coaches and QB realizing it and taking advantage. Football’s a never ending cycle that way.

          • Breathe 21

            We would be at a much better advantage with a running QB who could legitimately run this system. Someone like Wilson would be perfect. Not even elite, but good enough to make the right decision and be an actual threat on the read option.

      • JofreyRice

        flawed footwork is putting it kindly. Take a look at Elliot Shore Parker’s (or whatever) writeup on Foles. Actually, just buzz through and check out the GIFs. Decision making and footwork are miserable, made me remember how I actually felt optimistic that Sanchez was going to get a shot. It’s a pretty fair piece, overall, but the shots of his footwork should make any Eagles fan nervous about Nick.

        • Token

          And its talked about like its easily fixable. Or maybe people just arent letting themselves be aware of how bad it was. Footwork was really bad. mechanics as a whole suffer. Then add to that the addition of running backwards and sensing phantom pressure. Those are not easy to fix things once they start happening.

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            Yeah the ghost are bad. And it didn’t take much punishment to get him to that point. 3-4 games and he was shell shocked. By the same token he’s tougher than nails. The Washington game was a big one. He won a lot respect for getting back up continually. You know it as well as anyone. If you’re gonna win with this kid you have to have everything in place. give him weapons, give him protection, otherwise you’re gonna get inconsistency. A decision needs to be made on whether we’re gonna commit to him. If Chip already knows he wants to go another direction then do it now and move forward. Whether that’s MM, Hundley, or whoever

          • Token

            Eh, McNabb played with a broken something once upon a time. I dont remember stories of his extreme toughness and he took more hits then the golden child.

            Its hard for me to say a guy is tough when hes out for many games every year with injuries. Whenever he takes big hits he seems to get hurt. And I dont give bonus point for taking dumb hits by holding the ball or not throwing it away. Thats your fault IMO.

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            Difference btwn being hurt because you can’t play thru pain and having broken bones, ligamnents, etc.

          • Wilbert M.

            It’s a tale of two Nicks. In his big year, his pocket presence was excellent. Then something went wrong. He is a smart kid and I think he’ll look at the tapes and work through it. He’s a lot better option than anything else available (Mariotta is not available to us!!!).

          • Septhinox

            His footwork seems to have regressed. Go back to his “magical” season and it was much better. So that is where the hope that it can be corrected comes from.

        • Breathe 21

          You’re right, but I don’t bash Eagles that bad unless they really hurt the team. People like Nnamdi, Allen, Chung, DRC, etc… Lol. Foles isn’t a championship caliber QB though, unless you build an elite defense AND offense around him. That’s extremely difficult with today’s cap. Which is why I would trade him now.

        • http://detroitlionsall22.wordpress.com The Answer

          Watch some of the ‘Nick Foles under pressure’ highlights from 2013 again, he has it in him.

      • OregonDucker

        Foles had footwork problems throughout college. He worked his butt off to fix them but suffers still when under pressure.

        Without a top 10 Defense in the future, the Eagles need Mariota to win a Super bowl. It just is not going to happen with a 3rd or 4th tier QB. The interceptions, fumbles, and 3 & Outs will kill the team’s chances to compete. Stafford is a good example of a QB who won’t get you to a SB.

      • Ed Kelly

        In order to beat an elite defense , you can’t be a great passing team and poor running team, you can’t be a great running team and poor passing team. You need to be good at both, not great

        • Breathe 21

          The patriots are a poor running team. They’re not good at it at all. They have a really good defense, great QB, and really good personnel people. I would say great coaching, but they cheat too much. I’m biased towards teams that lack integrity. They’re repeat offenders. They beat an elite defense without a run game though.

  • Token

    Tra Thomas says Marcus Smith has the body of a high school child lol. Man o man what a disaster of a draft pick. And to think a number of people still defend it.

    • Nicky Puffy CoatS

      I’m not even trying to defend the pick but that just sounds stupid. I can’t say I grew up with a whole lot of 6’3″ 250-260lb kids. Did Tra say that as part of his interview where the whole thing sounded like sour grapes?

      • Jonathan

        Yeah Tra really disappointed me with his jilted lover-like interview, showed no class. Why would he feel the need to trash Marcus on his was out?

        • Nicky Puffy CoatS

          Probably spent a lot of time with him as an asst. OLBs coach this past season and it was an easy target. Just like the “this offense needs a running QB” and “he definitely likes to have a lot of Oregon guys since they know the system.”

          • Token

            LOL! Anyone who questions anything related to this team is a enemy. Hilarious.

          • Nicky Puffy CoatS

            There’s a difference between giving legit criticisms and taking cheap shots after just getting fired.

          • Token

            O please. He honestly answered questions. At least your sticking firmly on the marcus Smith bus. Good luck.

          • Nicky Puffy CoatS

            I’m sure he answered honestly, after having just been fired from the organization he spent many years with. Nah, no context to consider there.

            I’ll just hop on my Marcus bus. The one I’ve spray painted with words like, “Disappointment”. I’ve also got a “B-U-” tagged on there with room for two more letters. But I’m driving that F-er. Right off the cliff with the O’Doyles.

          • Kelce’s Beard

            I’m sitting shottie, eating a milksteak. side of jellybeans.

            Can you imagine if Tra had said something like “Oh Nick? that guy? yea, you’ll see him win rings. He’s a sure thing”. I wonder if his word would be considered so honest and trustworthy?

          • leorautins

            Just read the article. IMO, Tra doesn’t sound like someone with an axe to grind nor like he’s disparaging Smith beyond stating his current areas in which he needs improvement. In fact, the physique comment in the headline is phrased differently from the quote in the article. Somewhat common knowledge, but for those who don’t know, writers don’t write their article headlines. The click-bait-i-ness of the headline is incongruous with the sentiment of Tra’s comments (again, IMO).

        • Token

          A guy actually gives a honest answer to questions without usual cliches and the Chipsters are ready to tear him apart lol. Sorry, Tra is still way more of an Eagle then Chipster and your boy Marcus.

          • Jonathan

            Your whole routine is cliche Joken.

            Being honest about a player’s development would be one thing, calling him out for having a “high school” body is just trying to embarrass the kid. Why? Why take shots at a young man? If you have issues with the coach and/or scouting dept talk about them, like a man.

          • Token

            lol Joken.

      • Token

        lol yea. Hes just lying. Said the kid is weak and cant handle NFL players.

        • Nicky Puffy CoatS

          He definitely needs to get stronger, no denying that.

      • borntosuffer

        I always liked Tra. I’m disappointed for him because his comments will probably not help him get his next gig. But, is he really going to lie about Marcus Smith? It completely explains everything that happened in his first season. In some ways, this is more encouraging than my thought that he just isn’t football smart. He appears to have the work ethic and frame to put on muscle. Here’s to hoping for 15 or more pounds of muscle and no failed drug tests.

        • Nicky Puffy CoatS

          It’s not that I think he’s lying, but that he seems to be going out of his way to slander the kid with those comments. It’s pretty easy to say “if he wants to be successful in this league, he has to get stronger.” Clear, succinct, and doesn’t leave much room for it come off as sour grapes, as most of his comments did. That’s really my only contention with most of his comments. There’s better ways to go about things, and expressing his thoughts in a fashion that isn’t slanderous doesn’t hurt his chances at a future gig nearly as much.

          • borntosuffer

            Agree completely. But, from a fan’s perspective, it gave me attributable, inside information that I hadn’t heard elsewhere about why he couldn’t get on the field.

          • Nicky Puffy CoatS

            Really? I thought it was known that the kid needed to get stronger. Not sure how many OLBs are 250. He needs to get to 260-265 or he’s too light and is easily thrown around by LTs.

          • borntosuffer

            No doubt you and a few others here know a lot more / read more about this than I do. It’s just the first I have heard a this in the same breath as to why he wasn’t successful from someone on the inside.

          • Will

            Well Chip said why should MSII play over Brandon Graham who has worked so hard…..Graham is bench pressing 500lbs. these days and is quick as all get out…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaLRuC54eJg

        • JofreyRice

          I tend to agree with you here. I don’t know why Tra would just take a shot at a kid he was coaching for no good reason. I’m sure he’s upset about being let go, but this would be the nuclear option, slandering players in the org. I think he just spoke with a little more candor than he intended; it wasn’t actually all bad, he did say Smith can move really well.

          • DoctorRick

            Agreed. It just wasn’t professional language, a fail at the position.
            It is a big transition from player to coach, not for everyone.

          • Will

            Tra might make a better scout then a coach…

      • Rockedupeaglesfan

        When I was a junior on my HS football team we had a freshman who was 6’5″ and listed at 350 because that’s the highest the old school locker room scale went to, even though when he stepped on it, the scale shot right to the top. This was a 14yr old. Point is, you’d be surprised what these kids look like today.

        • Nicky Puffy CoatS

          I’m not saying there aren’t exceptions. The point is to say a 6’3″ 250-255lb guy is a “high school kid” very easily comes off as a cheap shot at the kid.

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            Fair point, but the guy just got let go, so I can understand some bitterness. I’ve recently read Tim or Sheil note that MS2 needs to add bulk and strength this offseason, so the tone may be harsh, but the facts seem to be verified by independent sources with no axe to grind.

          • Nicky Puffy CoatS

            Agreed, that’s my entire point. It’s bitter. Token is trying to act like he’s smarter than everyone because he agreed with what Tra said and thus Tra can’t be exaggerating his point or taking cheap shots, it’s gospel. That was the entirety of the original discussion…. He 100% needs to add 10-15lbs of muscle. And my response to borntosuffer a few posts below basically states your last sentence.

          • JofreyRice

            jeez, I don’t know why he’d want to cheapshot the kid, just because Kelly gave him the raw deal. If that’s the case, I lost a lot of respect for Tra.

            If it was just a case of him being impolitic, then it’s just an interesting piece of information, that quite frankly, agrees with what we’ve seen on the field.

          • Nicky Puffy CoatS

            I think because we all know he needs to get stronger/heavier, is why it comes off as cheap, to me. Like, it’s not new information.

      • DoctorRick

        I’m guessing that might be part of why he was let go.

        • MagsJonesingYesNo

          Another possibility is that Tra had reached the point where he was not able to expand or improve the players’ talent or ability any further. Like a talented 14-year-old violin student moving on from the teacher they had when they were 6 or 7.

  • Greg

    Chip all ready traded up in a draft for a Qb,, Barkley,,, and that guy can’t get on the field,,,,, Matt Barkley was the first pick on the second day of the draft,,, that means Chip had all night to think about drafting him,,, and traded up to get him,,,, Fast forward 2 yrs, last game of the year, meaningless game ,,and Barkley can’t get on the field!,, What happened to Qbs are like tea bags,you don’t know what you got until u put them in hot water,,,, That’s a chip Kelly Quote,,,, After Chip drafted Barkley , he was very happy with the pick at the time,, like he stole something in the draft,,, Let’s face it, I think chip is good coach, but to judge talent on Qbs ?….?? I’m very worried. I think he falls in love with his guys, and passes on other talent ,,,,,

    • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

      It’s a very good point.

    • Eaglesk8R9

      *third day

    • Kev_H

      We’ll see if Barkley is back. I didn’t glean much from the last game media perceived “snub”. Chip really wants these guys to work hard and the culture of going out and competing at every opportunity (we’re from Philly and we fight) is very important to him.

      If your philosophy is you have to work like crazy and step up your efforts to make the jump from reserve to line up- which if held is surely a huge cultural pillar for Kelly- just letting guys play NFL games because commentators deem them “meaningless” treating it like a glorified scrimmage kind of undermines everything you are about.

      Could be Chip thinks its more valuable for Barkley to go in to the off season thinking he has to redouble or triple his efforts if he wants a chance and that’s best for his development.

      • Tom

        Im pretty sure that was Howie’s pick. If not whats the point talking Chip’s power now if he had it then. And yeah it was the 3rd day.

        • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

          that makes sense. Howie thinking he could trade the kid down the line(Great Value!!?), but I believe Chip admired him from a far, and thought he had enough talent to succeed in his system, also

    • MagsJonesingYesNo

      Even the very best, in any profession, can make a mistake. The 2 guys going into the HOF this year, Wolf and Polian, did not hit 100% on their choices either.

  • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

    Combine Invites are out, and so are the Snubs —-Some notable players on the list, who won’t be in Indy… Terrence Plummer, Deion Barnes, Hutson Mason, Taylor Heinicke, Rakeem Cato, Devon Gardener (@WR),

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25061180/nfl-combine-snubs-and-surprises

  • Will

    I do not understand with FA 32 days away and before the draft it is not the topic of conversation. If and I mean a big IF Chip does trade away for Marcus he will have to improve this football team thru FA…

    • borntosuffer

      Let’s see, 32 days, 3+ posts/day – about 96 posts between now and then. I think the trio will give us plenty to read on FA.

    • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

      Whatcha wanna talk about Will? I’m here for ya…..

      How much you think Thornton’s gonna make?
      Do we resign Polk?
      Would Andy take Coop for DeAnthony?
      Sanchez,Locker, or none of the above?
      If and when we don’t sign Maxwell, who’s the next CB on your big board? (Ron Parker is disqualified)

      • Will

        Thornton gets paid not sure how much gotta think 3-5 mil range, Yes Polk is our red zone answer for running back, Andy does us no favors so no on the Coop trade. None of the above on any QB so far other than Foles. If Mariota is a no go gota think Hundley is the consolation prize. Agree Byron is top $ so Eagles go middle of the road, Kareem Jackson is 5’9″ so I’d say no on him. Davon House and Chris Culliver both have the size and are middle of the road…I think they keep Cary if he takes a pay cut…Safety is the big question mark? We need a great one with speed to end the parade of X plays against us…maybe Rahim Moore is someone they like…

    • Nicky Puffy CoatS

      Here’s something to consider as we approach free agency. We’re not the only team with a few bucks to spend and a few holes to fill: http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/projected-cap-space-for-all-2015-nfl-teams-502/

      • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

        Do you feel good about our cap situation? I think we’re a little hamstrung without making some cuts. If you pay Mac,Thornton, and the draft class, that’s gonna cost roughly …. $12-15M as a totally wild guess ($5-7M=Mac /$2-3 Ced/ $5M rookies….)

        • Will

          Depends they can create cap up to about 60-67 million if they wanted too before signing anyone…with certain cuts and restructures…Cole,Carey,Casey let go and restructure about 7 player’s …then you have 67 mil and can sign your own and have plenty for FA…

          • Nicky Puffy CoatS

            “If they cut most of the top 15 contracts, they can save 60-67 mil. Add in the $15mil already there and we can sign all the top free agents to front loaded deals!”

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            Let’s go nuts. Chip becoming GM helped to ease my fear of him bolting back to college for now, but I can’t wait to see how he attacks this thing. I just pray he’s not a bargin basement guy. I don’t wanna sign any old player to mega buck just to land him, but I would gladly shell out for bonafied beast. Suh, Houston, DT,Dez. No problem paying them what it takes. Beyond them you can bargain shop all you want

          • Will

            I would add Demaryius Thomas to the list agree no cutting corners…

          • Nicky Puffy CoatS

            I wouldn’t overpay for Suh only because of the talent of the DL. DT, Dez, and Houston, 100%. That said, I agree, I’m curious to see how he attacks this. Better not be anymore “my system works and I don’t need the overpriced talent.” At some point, you do.

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            I think teams get into trouble when they pay “system guys’ top dollar. Maxwell scares me that way. What’s he gonna look like w/o the #LOB? When he has way more responsibility, and expectations?

          • Nicky Puffy CoatS

            I agree to an extent, but so much of what they do with their corners leaves them with amount of responsibility equal to or greater than ours and they thrive. They have better backend help in Thomas, no doubt. But they have a lot of responsibility that falls on them. I think he’s like any other FA, he’s a risk. But given the similarities in coverage run, he’s probably less of one than a guy playing more zone.

          • MagsJonesingYesNo

            Why did you “fear” Chip bolting back to college? Because some ridiculous talking heads said he would? Where in Chip’s career has he ever taken a step back? Besides, the school in Oregon where he coached is a university, not a college.

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            No, because we had no reference for how he would handle the NFL. Whether the lack of control would prove too big an issue in his mind. Now we know he’ll just shank whoever’s in his way

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            You’re including Shady and some other top vets obviously. you do have to give Howie credit there are very few contracts we can’t walk away from if we wanted to.

          • Will

            Yes the restructures didn’t list all seven I did earlier in the week in a post and the cuts to get 67 mil in cap space and the post got moderated…Howie is no joke when it comes to contracts worth every penny of his 1.7 million salary for sure…

        • Nicky Puffy CoatS

          I don’t feel bad about it. But, as you noted, dead weight has to be cut. Too many people favor restructuring Cole but that does more harm than good where next year is concerned. If he wants to say, old deal needs to go and he needs to take something like 3yr 15ish mil with 7 guaranteed and 4 in signing bonus. That allows to eat the dead money (3.6?) and then get his cap number to around 6 with proration and like a mil in salary. Brings his # down 5.5mil. Casey and CW gotta go. That’s 10.5 saved, 16 combined. Celek has no dead money or guarantees, so you can get his # down to 3-4 for the next three years for him to retire here. Not too much to do with Herremans unless you’re being an a-hole. Though I’ve advocated that stance since he’s average anymore, plus hurt. There’s more moves that can be made but the FO can only be so shrewd before it affects the locker room. But, you can add like 17.5 without touching Shady or Ryans, one of whom is the best offensive skill player and the other is the leader of the D. So you can go into FA/Extension season with 33mil.

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            Celek and Cole are lifetime Eagles. Young me would object to putting them out on the street. Old me wants the kids to play and learn, and want’s the cap room to sign new blood. Another topic that’s been forgotten is what about Mathis? He tried to get an extension last year, and has very little guaranteed money left on his deal. I wonder if they’ll throw him a bone this offseason.

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            Discuss is out of hand. the most innocent post is being moderated right now, and I can’t figure out why. Maybe because I said throw him a bone?

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            nope

          • Kelce’s Beard

            @PhillyMag – did you hire newer, tougher mods? Is disqus pacifying us even more? was taking our downvotes not enough?

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            That’d be acceptable @ $30M+. I need o get a better understanding of the Rollover, and what money qualifies for that.

            I think the jets might get stupid, they haven’t been this healthy cap wise in a while. With the champs in their division, and all the other AFC East teams trending upward, I expect them to win Free Agency. Oakland as well could make a run, like if DT become available, expect Oakland to make a big push.

          • Nicky Puffy CoatS

            Rollover is just whatever you didn’t spend cap wise from the year prior is added to your cap the following year. You can keep rolling it over, too. We’re the salary cap champs because we ALWAYS have 10+ mil in rollover. I enjoy flexibility but it comes at the cost of not deploying your resources for max talent in some cases.

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            Is it really that simple tho? Or are there restrictions on what money can be rolled over? For instance if we do cut all these guys and get that money back, is it all eligible to be rolled over?

          • Nicky Puffy CoatS

            All eligible. It’s accounting, that’s all it is. Their’s accounting dollars (cap) and actual dollars (signing bonuses and things like that). Only money you don’t get back from a released player is the dead money from acceleration of any prorated signing bonus dollars and any guarantees. You trade a guy, only the prorated dollars count against you and the other team assumes the guaranteed salary. There’s some small caveats, no doubt, but most of it is relatively basic, just takes a little time.

            Two great sites to look at are spotrac and overthecap. OTC has a cap calculator where you can mess with a teams salary cap and see the effects in a pretty general manner.

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            Yeah we use spotrac in my dynasty league. I prefer it to otc. I just didn’t believe it was that cut and dry

          • Will

            Fan Speak manage the cap game is cool….put the first two words in this post together to go to the link…when I put the link it got moderated…lol…

          • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

            Discuss moderated my post for some reason, but I brought up Mathis, and how he tried to get an extension last year. I wonder if they’ll look out for him this year or if he tries again, this time with emphasis.

      • Kelce’s Beard

        nice link, thanks.
        we have the 3rd-highest rollover from ’14, as well as the fewest free agents in the league (and only 1 going to cost).
        Of course there’s the caveat about signing the ’12 guys this year too, and while it would chip into the ability to roll ’15 money into ’16, it would also put us in a similar position next year – few FAs, and maybe no costly ones. Cap will still be going up.
        Only issue would be Foles pulling a magical 27-2 out of his arse again. But he won’t be getting $20M/yr from us, can almost guarantee that one

      • Kelce’s Beard

        nice link, thanks.
        we have the 3rd-highest rollover from ’14, as well as the fewest free agents in the league (and only 1 going to cost).
        Of course there’s the caveat about signing the ’12 guys this year too, and while it would chip into the ability to roll ’15 money into ’16, it would also put us in a similar position next year – few FAs, and maybe no costly ones. Cap will still be going up.
        Only issue would be Foles pulling a magical 27-2 out of his rear again. But he won’t be getting $20M/yr from us, can almost guarantee that one

        • Nicky Puffy CoatS

          Nope, he won’t. The ’16 cap is why we 100% cannot restructure Cole. It really handcuffs us. Have to agree to opt out of this deal, eat the dead, and a new much lower deal if we really want him back.

        • peteike

          really interested to see how Chip handles the FA market vs Howie. Maybe hes a bit more aggressive.

  • TJ

    lets see…mariota is a project for any team except our super genius coach that can’t draft, can’t beat good teams, can’t admit billy davis is a dolt…..oh that makes me feel better…our super genius coach will trade 3 #1’s for mariota and then watch him get RG3’d just like all white boys that weigh 210 lbs and run the football in the nfl do…

    • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

      the position you’re applying for has already been filled. Thanks.

    • Will

      Mariota is polynesian not white….and boy can he run….

      • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

        Aloha???

      • Pennguino

        Mahalo

      • Jerry Pomroy

        He’s actually both. His mom is caucasian.

      • MagsJonesingYesNo

        Junior Seau. Troy Polamolu. etc.

    • #TheTruthHurts

      “Whaaaaaah”

    • MagsJonesingYesNo

      Don’t you mean the super genius coach who won’t do what you and only you want him to do?

  • Kev_H

    That one is a head spinner. In his comments he says 2 QBs head and shoulders above the crowd and that he doesn’t really like the QB class AND that a team needs a solid QB to win in modern football. So, the question is, what do those team that draft early and don’t have a QB do in that situation? Who do they go with? Who is their pro bowl option?

    I think the questions regarding Mariota are the same ones regarding any great college QB coming out of a successful, high profile program- the majority of his games were very easy and didn’t offer him anything close to the kind of test the NFL offers, and that has likely been his experience as long as he’s been putting on a helmet. How does he respond to the passes that used to bring him glory getting picked off? How does he respond to a relentless pass rush and getting hit regularly by players better than anyone he has ever been hit by? That’s a projection wherever he goes. I think he’s as good a bet as any out there and will be surprised if he isn’t the first overall pick, but my attention will turn to how he handles the tough times. Leinart, Young, Tebow, Manziel all looked unstoppable in college, but when the level of play was turned up a few notches, they were left behind.

  • Will

    Does anyone get the feeling about last year draft when it got to the Eagles turn and the 6 guys they wanted were gone and they turned to Tom Gamble and asked him who is best on the Big Board? Who should we draft Tom? MSII was his final answer…

  • eaglespur

    thanks Mayock, for fanning the flames of mariota-doubt!
    Eagles trolls: get the word out as often and as widespread as you can: mariota is not an NFL quarterback!

    • DoctorRick

      Mariota sucks. 8^)

      • eaglespur

        thank you

  • #TheTruthHurts

    If we don’t get mariota, I hope foles is spending his days with ankle weights on, working on his footwork. I really want to like foles, but he’s so darn awkward.

  • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

    baltimore offered Torry Smith 5yr/$35M/ $19M-G, So expect mACLin to go over those numbers

    http://profootballzone.com/rumors/report-ravens-made-offer-torrey-smith/

    • Will

      Well I thought J-Mac would cost too much $ so why not go get Demaryius Thomas for about the same $…

      • Breathe 21

        Lol… D. Thomas will definitely cost more than Maclin. That guy is an elite WR who puts up ridiculous numbers. There should be a legitimate difference in contracts, especially in guaranteed money. We’re talking Calvin Johnson like money.

        • Will

          Agree but J-Mac won’t be cheap either so spend more on D Thomas sign the best…

          • Breathe 21

            I would love to because he’s just better than Maclin in every way, but he would get the tag if they didn’t come to an agreement anyway. He’s actually what we need in our system. If not Thomas, than we kinda need two Maclins. Or, Maclin and Cobb. That way we can truly mirror that screen game and do damage after the catch.

          • peteike

            yes thank you, wow, you cant just compare this seasons stats. DT is a beast, look at how big and fast that guy is. Questionable hands is only issue

          • MagsJonesingYesNo

            Maclin 143 tgts, 85 rec, 1318 yds, avg 15.5, 10 TDs.
            Thomas 184 tgts, 111 rec, 1619 yds, 15.1 avg 11 TDs.

      • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

        Exactly!

      • MagsJonesingYesNo

        Why? Maclin is dependable, makes catches and touchdowns. What more can anybody else do? Make a couple of highlight catches without actually contributing anything else?
        EDIT:
        Maclin 143 tgts, 85 rec, 1318 yds, avg 15.5, 10 TDs.
        Thomas 184 tgts, 111 rec, 1619 yds, 15.1 avg 11 TDs.

        Thomas was targetted a few more times, but his percent of catches is nearly identical, his average yds per catch is marginally lower, and he only scored ONE more touchdown. These stats are with Peyton Manning throwing to him. Maclin had Foles and Sanchez. There is nothing here to make Thomas somehow more elite than Maclin.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      That’s basically 3yr deal at $7M/yr depending on breakdown of guaranteed money (7,7,5?). Isn’t Maclin expected to be in $10M/yr range? If so, you’re looking at what…5yr/50M/25-30M guaranteed?

      • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

        Crazy. But if that’s what the market is paying, game on

  • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

    Apparently if you bring up Evan Mathis you get moderated

  • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

    Evan Mathis

  • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

    Evan

    • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

      Mathis

    • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

      the guard who plays next to Jason Peters. Typing his name has gotten 3 of my comments pulled. no lie

  • JofreyRice

    anyone else catch Tra Thomas saying Marcus Smith had the body of a highschool kid? Said he needs to add about 15 to 20 pounds. Hopefully all the sports science stuff about wrist circumference means they know he can add it, or he’s bustotron 5000. Tra did say he had the same movement ability as Berwin, so that’s kinda hopeful?

    • Kelce’s Beard

      keep reading below :)

      • Nicky Puffy CoatS

        Lol.

    • Rockedupeaglesfan

      Token mentioned it below, but didn’t mention where. Interview, article or link would be appreciated.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      There have been a number of people that call him wiry strong. But he’s got the height too. It’s not like he’s short like Manziel & wiry. Randall was wiry, so I don’t worry too much about it. Plus adding 10lbs isn’t that much that almost anyone couldn’t add it unless you’re one of those odd people that have nuclear powered metabolism. But even those people can still add some muscle. There are some dietary & even medical tricks too that can slow your metabolism down some if it’s that much a concern.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Derp! I’m talking about the wrong Marcus…lol.

        Marcus Smith…Now his size is something I mentioned a while back. He’s got raw size & with that, the raw strength that comes with but has never really cut it up. I would imagine that Huls staff will have him on a regimen aimed towards more muscle isolation in his chest, shoulders/back, thighs & his core. He’s already got mass, he needs to add muscle separation, density & muscle stamina on top of that mass.

    • JosephR2225

      Maybe I’m crazy, but isn’t that kind of encouraging? My previous thoughts in Smith were that he had no idea how to do whatever they were asking him to do… If he can’t get on the field because he’s not strong enough, that’s probably a fixable problem.

      • JofreyRice

        I don’t think you’re crazy. So he’s gotta add weight. They seem to have a plan for nutrition and training. Hopefully he can do it. I think it’s encouraging to hear that he seems to respond to learning the passrush moves, and can move around like Barwin.

      • RIP illa

        Maybe but Demeco was quoted in a interview, when talking about Smith, basically saying that you can’t keep making the same mistakes in practice and expect to see playing time. So right now it appears to be both physical and mental for Smith.

  • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

    Insane!

    • Nicky Puffy CoatS

      Hilarious. There’s others that need to be moderated much more than this.

      • Will

        If you list a player and the word cut it is seen as an attack I guess….

    • sdk152

      Obviously, there’s no reason why that should be held up. And no, there’s not a new, stricter commenting approval system that I know of.

      But to be perfectly honest, we don’t handle all of these things. I’ll contact someone Monday morning to take a look and make sure everything’s operating properly.

      Thanks in advance for your patience. -SK

      • DoctorRick

        Thanks. I had a benign post deleted a couple of days ago. Wondered what I said.

      • Will

        SK i got a post held up for moderation with that player’s name in it…lol…

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I get flagged at least once, twice per week and can never quite figure out why. I just take it in stride and call it my potty mouth sending subliminal messages that only the mods can read… lol.

      • Guest

        Id bet Evan Mathis paid off someone who is responsible for the moderation, just to mess with us.

      • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

        No problem SK, Thanks

    • Kev_H

      This is a no Math zone.

    • Will

      well that explains why my post got held up…lol…

    • Will

      Evan Mathis is tech savvy he might be moderating the comments about him …lol…

    • Will

      You do know the Eagles LG don’t want to say his name is very very tech savvy and might very well be moderating comments about him …lol…

    • JosephR2225

      I’d bet the actual E.M. paid off someone in the moderation department to censor his name, just to mess with us.

    • bentheimmigrant

      Wow. That’s a crazy way to take a screenshot.

    • sdk152

      Our intern extraordinaire Tucker looked into this. Here’s the deal: There’s a Philly Mag writer with the last name of Mathis who was dealing with a pretty nasty troll. As a result, anything with “Mathis” gets flagged for approval.

      There’s no easy way around this. Perhaps going forward, you should refer to Evan Mathis as “Big Ev” or “The LG of the People” or another nickname in the comments.

      You all are creative enough to come up with something. I (well, Tucker) identified the problem. Now you come up with the solution! -SK

      • What’sHeBuildingInThereAllDay

        Thanks, your the best! Good work Tuck!

  • DoctorRick

    Hey, I ran into another Birdz fan here in Seattle. We bonded.

    • MagsJonesingYesNo

      Drive north a couple of hours. You’ll find a bunch of us.

  • DoctorRick

    Sheil,
    This is somewhat off topic, but I think there are a number of us here who could learn from a tutorial about how you structure your writing. A mini class. I’m not asking for secrets but most of us could benefit from being better writers.
    How do YOU value and craft good writing?

  • Will

    I wonder when Howie Roseman will be back from vacation? Man I am so excited to see what happens this year in FA….

  • Token

    Found this kinda funny.

    http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/can_nick_foles_be_the_eagles_quarterback_of_the_fu.html

    ” Foles was only hit, hurried or sacked an average of 3.95 more times per game in 2014 than he was in 2013.”

    OL!!!!!!!!!!!

    • http://detroitlionsall22.wordpress.com The Answer

      4 times per game is a decent sized number, not insignificant at all. The better question is what percentage of dropbacks was he pressured. PFF says there was no difference but the pocket was definitely not as clean as it was in 2013. Still no excuse for his poor half season. Only 19 career starts, young buck with all the intangibles that suggest he will learn and improve. I’ll give him another season.

    • OldDocMcQuackadillyBlip

      4 per game is a lot, no? Say 40 passes per game. If he was previously pressured on 20% of snaps (8 times) that’s a 50% jump in pressures.

      I’d seen figures before that suggested there was no difference between this year and last so not sure how accurate the 4 additional oressures number is.

      • http://detroitlionsall22.wordpress.com The Answer

        PFF had Foles pressured on 34% of his dropbacks in both 2013 and 2014.

      • Token

        Not really. Thats a 4 average including everything related to pressure.

        • OldDocMcQuackadillyBlip

          An additional 4 pressures per game would be a big deal. Even if we pretend QBs are pressured on 20 dropbacks per game, an additional 4 equates to an increase of 20%.

          I suspect the figure of four is wrong. PFF figures were the ones I’d seen before which showed very little additional pressure, although the figures you quote are absolute rather than relative so it’s possible, albeit unlikely they’re both accurate.

          To be honest I think it’s as daft to act like the O-line wasn’t an issue as it is to say it was the root of all Foles’ problems. It’s not an either/or deal. He played poorly *and* the problems we had in protection exaccerbated his suckitude.

    • Max Lightfoot

      You forgot to add that you have your own stalker. So I did that for you. You’re welcome.

  • Will

    Maybe when Tra made those comments he was thinking along the lines of comparison to Brandon Graham who plays the same position as SMII. Graham has worked extremely hard and is bench pressing 500 lbs these days…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaLRuC54eJg

    • MagsJonesingYesNo

      Jack Ham at Penn State. Stats? In his senior year, 1970, Ham was co-captain, had 91 tackles, four interceptions, and was anAll-American. He had 251 career tackles, 143 unassisted. He blocked three punts in 1968, setting a school record that was not tied until 1989.

      Pro? He was named the greatest outside linebacker of all time by a consortium of professional sports writers, beating Lawrence Taylor for this honor.

      Bet he never pressed 500 pounds in his life.

      http://cityportals-statecollegecom-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/news/images/1383190_15464.jpg

      • Will

        That was 44 years ago in a by gone era….

        • MagsJonesingYesNo

          LT wasn’t playing 40 years ago.

          • Will

            Jack Ham was….

      • Rockedupeaglesfan

        It ain’t 1970 anymore.

        • MagsJonesingYesNo

          Right.

  • Josh Inness

    “NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock talked to Mike Missanelli on 97.5 The Fanatic Friday, and he isn’t too smitten with this year’s QB class.”

    Should Read: NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock talked to Mike Bitchanelli on 97.5 The Fanatic Friday, and he isn’t too smitten with this year’s QB class.”

    • clapyohandserrybody

      This isn’t really Josh. Cmon man…

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Token’s boy, Pernell McPhee makes #14 on Chris Wesseling’s top 25 Free Agents.

    I’ll admit that I know nothing about him except he’s been hurt a lot despite living in Baltimore area. I don’t typically watch or pay much attention to Ravens.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      6’3″ – 280lbs?!? Jesus, that’s a 4-3 DT! Although it looks like he’s only missed 4 games in 4yrs, all in 2012. But damn at 280lbs, I just don’t see how he fits at LB. I know he plays multiple positions, but so can Curry & Logan.

      • Kelce’s Beard

        Bingo. I’d just rather have Curry. McPhee doesn’t add anything new or exciting. Not worth it for the Birds, considering the $ he’ll pry see.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Was waiting for you to chime in as I know you at least pay some attention to Ravens. If I’m watching them, I only really pay attention to Mosley.

          • Token

            You wont find many Ravens fans who want him gone, unlike Jason Worilds.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But he’s our Vinny Curry. Situational player that takes advantage of opportunities. Or if you’re looking strictly at ROLB, he’s our Brandon Graham.

            Top 5 3-4 OLBs in Pass Rushing Productivity in ’14: 1.Brandon Graham 2.J.Houston 3.Pernell McPhee 4.R.Kerrigan 5.J.Harrison. 4 of 5 are UFAs

            That’s based off PFF productivity stats. But this ONLY addresses a portion of what we believe they want from the OLB position.

          • Token

            So who should I be looking at? Non productive pass rushers? I dont get the anti BG and McPhee crowd. You dont like those options, ok, what else should I be looking at? All I see are people who are worse at the main job of a OLB, pass rushing. All I know is McPhee is a problem. Hes a disruptive player. I like that in a pass rusher. Should I be looking at guys who arent disruptive but drop back smoother?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I like disruptive players too BELIEVE me. But it isn’t a matter of what I like. I’d be fine if they re-signed Graham & flipped he & Cole on depth chart. I just don’t think they’d do that. I could be wrong. But I think they want the starter to be more of a Jack than a Predator.

          • Kelce’s Beard

            who the *** said anything anti-BG? I’d much rather BG or Curry than McPhee. Why spend more on him when we have perfectly reasonable and cheaper options in-house? You fall in love with the weirdest players

          • Token

            Not been around? Apparently BG is now “my boy” because my options are him or McPhee. NickS is leading the Worilds bandwagon. Basically saying that because he plays 50% more snaps he shouldnt be expected to be as productive as Graham and McPhee.

            Cant figure why Curry gets brought up tho. I want to keep him too. But hes DL. Cant play OLB. If im Curry I wanna go back to a 4-3 DE spot. Better for him. And more money potential. But if he decides he doesnt care I doubt hes going anywhere anytime soon.

            Don’t get why McPhee is just a guy though. Especially if you do indeed watch the Ravens. Strong, disruptive, relentless pass rusher. I like guys that can beat O lineman. We dont really have much of that right now.

            This new OLB should be dropping into coverage about 10-15% of total snaps. I could care less how smooth their hips are in coverage. Theres like 2 good coverage OLBs in football.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Ok, so for OLB that drops 10-15% why go after McPhee, when you could try to re-sign Graham? That’s why I posted the productivity stats. Graham was more productive in limited snaps than McPhee in limited snaps. Graham is also versatile and can rush from DE in 4 down fronts.

            Curry is being brought up because he can play DE in 3 down fronts & DT in 4 down fronts & you mentioned McPhee’s ability to play elsewhere. We have guys already that can move around.

          • Token

            Graham is a option. Dunno why I gotta keep saying it. Graham, McPhee. Thats my two top options.

          • Kelce’s Beard

            515 snaps (48%). Such a monster, they can’t keep him off the field, except for those other 3 OLBs (suggs, dumervil, upshaw). Not much more than BG’s role. I didn’t say he was JAG, I said he won’t be worth what he’s paid.

            They may aim to keep him if they project him as FT starter going forward (mostly due to other guys’ age). Otherwise another team will pay him Paul Kruger money, or worse (more).

            And I don’t care for your other strawmen comments. BG wasn’t mentioned, so save your act for others

          • Token

            Difference is he has two of the best OLBs playing in the NFL starting ahead of him. In a defense that seems to breed some good players, with scouts much better then ours.

            Graham was stubbornly put behind a donzo Trent Cole and nothing else at the position. So a little different situation. I think McPhee gets in the 6 mil range. Thats nothing crazy.

            And BG is a option of mine. Not sure what your getting at there.

      • Token

        Logan can play DE and NT. Curry can play DE.

        McPhee has been put everywhere on the line, OLB and MLB.

        Who would you like to see in there? Trent Cole again? I just need to know the other options.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          But you just can’t use McPhee as your every down OLB. That’s what we need. And based on what they want from the position, that doesn’t look like McPhee. I don’t love Worilds, but he seems like a guy they’d like based on skill set, especially since they were interested last year.

          • Token

            And why is that exactly? Hes behind two of the best in the game right now. And what skillset does Worilds have? People love throwing around familiar names. But Worilds isnt a good pass rusher. Hes not a disruptive player. And is not what you typically see against the run from Steelers LBs.

            Now if they want a guy to try to be Barwin maybe hes the closest. But we needs more then guys who take whats given when it comes to pass rushing. We need a guy who gets his own. Who disrupts what the offense wants to do. Unless you believe Davis can scheme pressure. Which I dont know how a person could really say.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I just said I don’t love Worilds. I didn’t want him last year either. Maybe since they tried to re-sign Graham they see what the market is for him & then make a decision.

            If it were me, I’d make my play towards trading up & if I can’t land Mariota, I take Randy Gregory as my consolation prize.

  • Ty Carter

    While I’m not ready to anoint him “The One” I believe we can win with Foles. In 2013 we had a case of good luck in that everyone was pretty much healthy and a few balls bounced our way. In 2014 it was the opposite and we still nearly went undefeated with his sub par play. If the team is healthy, we add some playmakers in the secondary, and special teams stays hot I believe we can contend with Foles. He does need to improve his footwork and awareness and I think he will. I also think Chip should not be so quick to abandon the run sometimes. There will be less mistakes from him of he’s not chucking the ball 62 times(@ AZ)

  • k.smith

    he watched 3 games and he thought that was enough to determine how he felt about mariota?

  • southy

    If Mariota falls in rd 1, we will have to send RGIII a thank you note.