Draft Daily: Buzz Building on FSU WR Benjamin

NCAA Football: ACC Championship-Florida State vs Duke

In the past week or so, a number of analysts have linked Florida State WR Kelvin Benjamin to the Eagles.

Daniel Jeremiah of NFL.com said Benjamin is a player to keep an eye on for the Birds at No. 22. And Ron Jaworski recently compared Benjamin to Harold Carmichael.




At 6-5, 240, Benjamin is the most physically imposing wide receiver in this year's class. He has 34 7/8-inch arms and 10 1/4-inch hands:

But as you can see, Benjamin tested poorly at the combine. He ran a 4.61 40, and per NFL.com, his 60-yard shuttle was the slowest of any receiver in the class.

Benjamin caught 54 balls for 1,011 yards and 15 touchdowns last season. He was fantastic downfield and made plays in the red zone for the national champion Seminoles.

The main quality that stands out about Benjamin is he knows who he is. Other receivers in this class are big, but don't always use their size to their advantage. The opposite is true with Benjamin. He went on the field and played like he expected to physically overwhelm his opponent on nearly every snap.

By far, Benjamin's biggest strength is making contested catches downfield. According to Rotoworld, 25 percent of his receptions came on throws 20+ yards downfield. And Benjamin's average catch came 13.38 yards from the line of scrimmage.

Here's an example against Clemson:

Benjamin lines up on the outside, and it’s pretty much a jump-ball. He goes up and gets it, shows good hands, excellent body control and comes down with the touchdown.

No player in this class is better when the ball's in the air. Here, against Duke, Benjamin sets up the defensive back on the fade and does a fantastic job of finishing with a pair of defenders closing in.

Benjamin can manhandle defenders as a blocker too. Check out this crack-back block against N.C. State:

And this one on a screen:

Screens accounted for just 5.36 percent of Benjamin's receptions, per Rotoworld. But here, he blocks on one and drives the defender out of bounds.

Given Benjamin's lack of straight-line speed, the question NFL teams will have to ask is: Can he win consistently against man coverage? It's worth noting that Benjamin is a 23-year-old prospect, meaning he was often playing against guys younger (and perhaps less developed physically) than him. That won't be the case in the NFL.

Without the All-22, it's pretty much impossible to gauge whether he played faster than he timed - specifically against man coverage. But there were some examples worth noting. Here's one play against Duke where he's blanketed:

And another where Benjamin runs a go-route down the sideline, but the cornerback sticks with him.

Then again, here against Florida, Benjamin runs the skinny post, beats man coverage and does a nice job tracking the ball down over his shoulder.

Of course, it's worth noting that the CB on this play was Loucheiz Purifoy, who ran a 4.61 at the combine.

One aspect of Benjamin's game I'm intrigued by is his ability to line up in different places. At first, I was operating under the assumption that he was purely an outside receiver who would do damage downfield and outside the numbers.

But in the Florida game, I noticed the Seminoles lined up him in the slot quite a bit, and he was effective:

He gets man coverage against the nickel corner, breaks three tackles and heads for the end zone.

I wonder how NFL defenses would match up with Benjamin in the slot. Smaller nickel backs are at a disadvantage with his size. And linebackers would have a hard time keeping up with him. It's similar to the questions NFL defensive coordinators face when going up against some of the game's best pass-catching tight ends.

Again, Benjamin didn't line up inside a lot in college, but my guess is that's something that Chip Kelly has thought about when watching his film.

Other times, Benjamin lined up behind the tackle to block in the run game:

Benjamin doesn't do much on the play, but this is not something you even attempt with a smaller, less physical receiver.

A couple other plays that stood out. Here, once again, he's in the slot. And check out the adjustment on the ball:

Benjamin was not a big YAC guy. He averaged 4.89 YAC per reception, according to Rotoworld. That was the lowest number among the top-15 WRs in this class.

But part of that was because Benjamin caught so many 50/50 balls downfield. At times, he showed he's definitely difficult to bring down after the catch:

Benjamin is perhaps the most polarizing wide receiver in this class, and I had a tough time formulating a strong opinion of him one way or another.

On one hand, he's tough, physical and terrific when the ball's in the air - whether that's on downfield throws or in the red zone. On the other hand, his lack of speed and overall athleticism is a bit of a concern, and considerable projection is necessary when determining whether he can be used in multiple roles at the next level.

Kelly has talked about the various ways receivers can beat man coverage. One is size; another is speed. He said he considers receivers elite when they possess both. Clearly, Benjamin does not have the latter. And consider this: In the last three drafts, only one wide receiver (Kendall Wright) who ran a 4.6 or worse at the combine was taken in the first two rounds.

It would not shock me if Kelly is intrigued by Benjamin, but considering the coach has baseline measurables for each position, the guess here is that the Eagles would be hesitant to pull the trigger on the Florida State product in the first round.

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  • Shawn Williams

    Don’t want him drops way to many footballs

    • DEBO 215

      Agreed. Not a great route runner or particularly fast either.

  • Richard Colton

    I like him if the coaches like him – just don’t like him at #22.

    • cliff henny

      pretty much. If Kelly can create #5 offense with someone else’s pieces, who am I to say what he should take on offense. that said, really hope he’s eyeing some of these other guys.

      • Anonymous

        I agree, but I feel that there are more consistent talents than Benjamin.

    • myeaglescantwin

      i’m with you here.

      he disappears in most games. He catches touchdowns, but isn’t the type of guy to be “the #1″

      not a big enough talent gap between Benjamen and players that can be had in rd 3.

  • cliff henny

    Eagles are doing good job of selling they want every WR from Evans to Janis in 5th. any team falls in love with a guy, better jump ahead of Kelly and Howie. and who knows what they are thinking. if whole goal is to push guys, particularly LBs in 1st and 2nd rds, down to them they are doing a pretty good job. could see them selling out for Evans, for waiting for 3rd and 5th, take some leftovers they wanted the whole time.

    • Breakerdog

      Totally agree with this. So much value in lower tier receivers this year. Guys like Jordan Matthews, Cory Lattimer or Brandon Coleman would be first rounders most years.

    • Eagles1018

      I HOPE that’s the plan. Can you imagine Anthony Barr in midnight green?

      • Andy124

        I can and I often do.

        • Richard Colton

          concensus top 10 pick one month ago. Now he could slip to #22. Wonder why?

          • Andy124

            Got under the microscope and some didn’t like what they saw as much as the suspected I guess. Not as much polish seems like a given. Possibly not enough of a power aspect to his game?

            But I look at the athletic numbers + production against top competition despite a lack of experience and my eyes get big. And I’ve always been suspicious of the rise and fall of draft stock. I think the original projections would prove to be more accurate as often as not.

    • JofreyRice

      Janis is intriguing, as far as a later developmental guy. Some fantasy football guy I follow has comps for him like Julio Jones and Michael Floyd, in sofar as his testing #’s.

      http://rotoviz.com/index.php/2014/04/jeff-janis-an-nfl-draft-love-story/

      • cliff henny

        looks good. got little burned out on WRs, honestly just a name Johnny Geagle burned into memory. D2 guy, as article said, if he went SEC and had that production w/ those numbers, be looking at trading up in 1st to get him. So, 5th, with Kelly working magic (hopefully) seems like great risk

      • Richard Colton

        Great article JR. Unintentionally funny when the guy admits he left in Jordy Nelson as a comp so there would be at least one other white guy with whom to compare Janis.

  • DEBO 215

    Not a fan of Benjamin. I think they’ll end up going D at 22 and taking a guy like De’Anthony Thomas from Oregon in the 2nd or 3rd.

    • cliff henny

      DAT got killed at combine. he’s 3rd day pick now. seen him as low as 7th on cbssports.com. believe settled in 6th round

      • DEBO 215

        Yeah he did, but watching his highlights, he definitely plays faster than he ran at the combine. That said, there are a bunch of really good WR’s that will present huge value after the first round.

        Unless you’re going to take Evans, Watkins, Lee or Cooks, I’d wait until at least the second or third…maybe even later.
        I want that Dri Archer kid from Kent State too…he’s a BURNER.

        • cliff henny

          guy anchored Oregon’s 4 x 100 relay, that’s world class group. little confused on his 40 time. had that bowl game KO return, it back 100 yards in under 11 secs, with moves and cutting, the guy was flying. maybe his slow time is Eagles gain. plus, have sproles, get Dri or DAT to learn for 2 yrs.

          • Marilyn Monbroe

            I know I can’t force myself to run fast if I’m not playing a sport or competing next to someone. Maybe he’s the same way.

          • cliff henny

            true, was same way. though, he was running for a paycheck

          • OldDocRoss

            I’m amazed that DAT has fallen because of his 40 time. I don’t think anyone could watch him play football and think “not sure this kid’s all that fast” and like you say, he’s a legit sprinter.

            My personal theory (based on absolutely nothing) is that he tried to pack on some muscle ahead of the combine to get his strength/weight up and it didn’t go well. It’s equally possible he just had a bad day at the office.

          • cliff henny

            other thing is, he’s moving before in relay, KO return, football in generally. in 40, it’s from dead stop, maybe that little momentum makes huge difference for him. idk, as you said, there’s no way you can watch a game and not see he’s fastest guy on field, by a lot.

  • Andy124

    How does he compare to Marquis Colston?

    • James Hathaway

      http://mockdraftable.com/player/1768/

      He doesn’t. And Colston went in the 7th.

      • Andy124

        Thanks. Kelvin’s got the longer arms and bigger hands, Colston with a clear advantage in the 40, the jumps and the 3-cone. Pretty similar in the 10-yard split and the 20-yard shuttle though.

        I’m not high on Benjamin, but I think that shows more about how underdrafted Colston was than anything particularly negative about Kelvin.

        I’d prefer Allen Robinson obviously.

        • anon

          Yeah feel like he’s the type of guy you take mid-late round. Really feel like we need a better route runner and not just a straight line guy. That said if he can beast drc down the line that’d be fine with me.

          • James Hathaway

            DRC would match up fairly well with this guy because he’d be able to dog it behind him and then close in two steps. Now, if he caught the ball short, DRC would just escort him directly into the end zone a’la Dez Bryant in 2012. That was a heinous display.

  • James Hathaway

    I see this guy as the next Ramses Barden of the Giants. No thanks.

  • ceedubya9

    I’d take a look at 54. But I probably like Robinson better as I think he will possibly be there. Lee or Bekham seem to offer more value at 22 than Benjamin, and I’d much rather have one of those two and a bigger guy later if i’m choosing WR in the 1st.

    • DEBO 215

      Robinson was very impressive at his pro-day.

    • Richard Colton

      if they like him, its probably going to have to be higher than #54.

  • Rick H

    I hope they DO NOT pick this guy! It would be a great 3rd round pick though

  • southy

    The kid pops on film. I will admit, though, I laughed out loud when I saw that spider chart.

    • Ark87

      His combine numbers and his tape aren’t matching up in my eyes. On tape I’m seeing him get vertical well, making solid cuts on routes. He’s def not a burner, but he doesn’t look like the slowest WR around either. I could see why a lot of people would want to work out with him in person to see for themselves with a closer look.

      • southy

        People chronically overweight the value of speed in a WR. I’m not saying it doesn’t help, but an extra 0.1 seconds of separation over 40 yards means almost nothing on shorter routes – especially if you don’t have good body control and don’t attack the football. The lack of agility, strength, and vertical is something I find more troubling. But once again, I tend to trust the film over the stopwatch.

        • James Hathaway

          The lack of agility combined with the general lack of vertical, and the lack of over the top speed, AND the evidence of a sub-standard work-ethic is what concerns me. Nooooooo thank you. 3rd round? sure. 1st two? no way. Would much rather get some of the other guys. I’m strongly, strongly against this.

          • Ark87

            I’d be fine if we take him with our late in the 2nd round pick. First, definitely not. KB is one of those guys who *might* be an awesome addition, especially in the red zone, but it’s too far from a sure thing to spend a first or high second.

    • Johnny Domino

      Looks like on of those summer camp spiders when the kids get tired of pulling the legs off.

  • SoCalEaglesFan

    Somebody explain to me the difference between Benjamin and Hank Baskett? Other than Baskett was a lot faster? Baskett’s college tape was just as impressive.

    • James Hathaway

      I am trying so hard to phrase this without getting banned.

      Home movies. Kendra. Deep threat balls.

      You do the rest.

      • FluxCapacitor

        He must have gone deep to get Kendra.

  • oreofestar

    F*** Benjamin I would rather have Lee

    • Richard Colton

      Lee at #22 or KB at #30 plus a 3rd?

      • oreofestar

        at 30 just hook me up with Robinson and get me Jones…but if I was forced to choose I’d still take Lee at 22

      • A Roy

        I’d trade back again for a 4th.

  • oreofestar

    Appearently Texans like Mack over Clowney…good Mack is the best player in this draft IMO

  • eaglefansocal

    No way take Benjamin in the 1st and if Robinson or Matthews is available at 54 take them over Benjamin there as well. I think what will work in favor of Eagles at 22 is any one of the following scenarios:
    1. If a lot of receivers are picked before them, maybe they get Barr.
    2. If a lot of OLB’s get picked before them, they get a top receiver.
    3. Even if a lot of OLB’s and receivers get picked before 22, then a top CB falls to them.

  • The R

    hes too slow at 22 please do not draft him at 22 he runs a 4.6 thats riley cooper speed, we are killing the speed of this offense if we draft benjamin. Draft Cooks if hes there at 22 and if you dont believe me look at this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iYr5OLsZDps

    • OldDocRoss

      If we’re using 40 times to say Benjamin has Riley Cooper speed, then Riley Cooper has Jordan Matthews speed, so……?

      • JofreyRice

        They’re pretty similar. I don’t think either one of them is as fast gamespeed as he is 40 speed. Jordan Matthews might be a tad quicker, but not much.

        • OldDocRoss

          I’d say Cooper’s adequate enough pace-wise to be an occasional big play threat whereas I doubt Benjamin ever will be, but I was more arguing against using 40 times to say guys are comparable when their 40 times are quite different.

    • peteike

      ya, nice for sure and a game breaker who can take it to the house. In our quest for big, sometimes you lose that. We lost it with djacc, no denying that. Just says CK locker room dynamics matter.

    • botto

      awesome. we haev to get this guy. trade up past the jets if we need to i dont care, he would be a game changer for us. no quesiotn.
      he’s tough and fast and has it all.
      go get em chipper!
      i could see him killing it on the bubble screens.
      way tougher then djax

  • Pennguino

    Not at 22. Trade back or into the early second and pick up an early 3rd. Get him as an early 3rd rounder. He is just big. Hell of a Red Zone threat though. Coop, Ertz, Celek, KB with Shady in the back field. How do you match up with 6’3″, 6’5″, 6’4″, 6’5″?

  • jkidd49

    zero interest in Benjamin at #22…. zero speed or quickness and he’s only getting slower

  • Maggie

    Don’t have enough info or interest in NCAA sports, but, look at Benjamin’s spider chart. The ONLY areas where he grades out at all are all genetic. Tall, has big hands and long arms. Nothing else! Poor workout or not, traits inherited from your grandparents do not guarantee either athleticism or football smarts.

  • JofreyRice

    I don’t agree he’s the best on contested balls. I’d take Evans, A-Rob and even Odell Beckham over Benjamin against NFL caliber DBs. That being said, if they truly believe they can turn him into Plaxico Burress, I’d be ok with the pick.

  • Bert’s Bells

    Those first two clips wouldn’t have been catches in the NFL.

    • OldDocRoss

      Looked like he got both feet down on the second one, no? Besides which, not sure what your point is. You don’t get extra points for trying to catch footballs per NFL rules.

      Hate the idea of Benjamin in the 1st though. Think he’s got huge bust potential.

  • ryyndynyyls

    I doubt Benjamin is getting that serious of a look from Chip and Howie, and I say that for a number of reasons (including limited route tree, iffy hands, the fact that his rookie contract would expire when he was 27 years old, the YAC numbers suggest either a lack of athleticism or, and I lean towards this, a lack of effort), but the huge reason I just can’t see this happening is that Benjamin’s lack of speed could really hinder our ability to get off as many snaps per game as we’d like. I don’t see Chip banking on a dude who could slow down the entire pace of the offense.

    I also feel like there’s a misconception with all of these national guys who are mocking and reporting interest that the Eagles seem to be telegraphing a need for an additional red zone threat. With Shady and Sproles lined up in back, Coop, Ertz and Mac I feel like our bigger concern needs to be ensuring that we get TO the red zone more regularly; I’m not particularly worried about converting once we’re in it. Plus, if we need a guy with iffy hands to come in and tower over everyone on red zone attempts we may as well just throw Momah in every time we’re in a position to score.

    My vote is that Robinson does just about every element of the position better than Kelvin Benjamin. Shows up everywhere on tape and goes up even higher for hotly contested balls, lands on the sideline and toe taps to stay in, catches a screen and is suddenly charging the entire width of the field like Jax, eluding a whole backfield on the way to the end zone. I’d be really disappointed if we took Benjamin… even at 54.

  • Breakerdog

    If you compare him to other X or Z receivers in this class he is pretty far behind. I would much rather have a guy like ODB or even J Matthews at outside receiver. Simply because they bring other things to the table than just a down field threat ( like screens and jet sweeps).

    It starts to get interesting if you think about him in the Jimmy Graham mold. A big detached Y receiver you can move around in the slot. How would DCs match up? A LB he takes down town. A smaller nickel DB gets posted up or gets dominated in the run game.

    I can see Chip really liking the idea

  • JM Earwood

    This guy just strikes me as a Tight End who was able to play receiver in college and just took advantage of smaller and less experienced DB’s. I think projecting him to WR in the NFL is iffy.

    • Javi Echie

      That’s really what he is. Check the comparisons at philly.com between him and Ertz and they are almost the exact same player.

  • dislikedisqus

    Back in Dec, I felt he wd be the Eagles pick in round one. But the lack of athleticism, coupled with the tough competition of Cooks, Lee, Beckham, changed my thinking. With Matthews, Latimer, Robinson and others out there in round 2, and Benn and Monyah on the roster, and a sleeper like Janis of Sag Valley for day 3, I even question whether he is a 2d round fit. I guess the argument is, hey, we don’t know who gets picked when and he could be there at 54 with the other round 2 guys gone, and we don ‘t know about Benn and Monyah, so it’s good to be prepared.

    • Andy124

      only because it’s in there twice… Momah.

      • OldDocRoss

        Related: How do you correctly spell Monyah?” is one of only two occasions where Momah is in fact, The Answer.

        In the interests of completeness, the other is of course “Which Philadelphia Eagle will do the worst impersonation of a professional football player this summer?*”,

        *the judges may also accept “Casey Matthews” or “Casey Matthews, DUH!”.

        • Maggie

          It’s got to be rough being the little brother.

  • Token

    Id rather have nearly anyone else in the 1st. Just dont like this kid. I think hes a dog. It would be Chip falling in love with size over ability again. As far as WR skills go I think Lee, Evans, ARob and Beckham are ahead of him.

    I think you can make a case he looks downright lazy on tape atleast at times. I just dont think hes much of a competitor. As far as contested balls, I think for a 6’5 guy hes uses his size pretty terribly in most of those situations.

    He wont be playing Duke and NC State in the NFL.

    • JosephR2225

      The Washington and Dallas defenses aren’t THAT far off though.

  • dislikedisqus

    I compared his physical stats to some TE’s. While he is a little light (most TE go 255-265) , he is virtually identical to Jermichael Finley — 6’4″, 243, 4.82 40 combine time — who went 3d round, 91st pick to GB. I could see him as that guy, the Celek replacement ultimately.

    • cliff henny

      like to see his stats transposed to TE, then compared to Ertz, not Celek.

      • Andy124

        http://mockdraftable.com/player/4064/

        I was already looking in to that. My thinking was that Ertz is the only pass catcher Chip has drafted so far, so what did he look for there? Surprisingly, he’s got little T-Rex arms and Burger King hands. He really doesn’t fill up the spider chart all that well at all except for the 3-cone.

        I guess the key thing we really need to be looking for is… how did they play against Oregon? lol

        • cliff henny

          if that’s the case, wasting our time cause Marquise Lee got everyone beat. i’ll like the pick, but wont love it. if it’s not Evans or Barr, then trade out

          • Andy124

            Yup. Cooks did fine against the Ducks, but nothing like Lee.

          • oreofestar

            well Lee it is….

          • Andy124

            Boooo. Too short.

          • oreofestar

            to be honest I would not hate the pick the way I would hate us taking Ford or Ben although there are others I’d prefer

          • Andy124

            If we don’t draft Ricky Williams, I’m booing the pick.

            /random

          • oreofestar

            I was young but out of curiousity did you want Rick lol

          • Andy124

            No, I just occasionally make fun of the jerks who booed the pick. I wanted Culpepper. Couch was my second choice and McNabb my third. I knew McNabb was considered to be better than Culpepper though, so I was absolutely happy with the pick. I wanted a QB as long as it wasn’t Akili Smith.

          • Warhound

            I thought McNabb was the right pick for Andy but I wanted to trade the pick to the Saints and Ditka. Mike Ditka offered his entire draft for the Eagles pick. And, yeah, Akili had bust had bust written all over him.

          • Maggie

            Ditka did it again?

          • Andy124

            Just the once. We’re talking about the year he traded his draft so he would move up and draft Ricky Williams.

          • Maggie

            Oh good. Same year. Different dance partner. Wasn’t paying much attention in the 80’s, so was momentarily flummoxed.

          • Andy124

            Can only wonder how history would have unfolded.

          • Richard Colton

            Sometimes you outsmart yourself and end up with Cade McNown.

          • Maggie

            Had to Google that one!

          • Warhound

            Gotta respect the honesty!

          • Richard Colton

            I’m 100% opposed to trading down when you need a franchise QB. Cleveland’s been outsmarting themselves for years. Weedon? Quinn? At least when they took Tim Couch – the strategy was sound. Player was terrible…but the strategy was sound.

          • cliff henny

            guy comes out last year, he’s probably in conversation w/ 4th pick, at least top10. between injuries, bad QB and Lane Kiffen, not sure what he could have done in ’13. i’m all for any and all Anti-USC biases, but this kid can play.

          • oreofestar

            if he came out last year he would have been number 1 wr no question IMO

        • JofreyRice

          Yep, Ertz really didn’t test well, I think its why he was available in the second when Eifert went in the first. They had been seen as pretty similar until the combine.

        • dislikedisqus

          So he is same height as Ertz, 10 lbs lighter, & 0.18 secs faster. I could start to see him as an athletic TE.

      • RandyD
  • IAteLunchToday

    And *consider this

  • Glenn

    I rank Cooks, Beckham, and Lee well ahead of Benjamin. If we wind up with Benjamin at 22, it would be a major disappointment.

    • oreofestar

      hell I am not even in love with him at 54 but at 86 hook me up

      • cliff henny

        to a breathalyzer? pretty sure you’ll win if you think KB’s making it to 86 ;)

        • oreofestar

          I know he won’t be there I am just saying where I am comfortable drafting him

        • JosephR2225

          The Eagles can’t get him at 54 either. That’s the Dion Jordan pick.

    • peteike

      Im not a fan either but really, what do we now. Were only guessing how he projects, could surprise us all so I dont think disappointment is right term. Guarded optimism? Skeptical. Thing is I would be upset if he didnt pan out and became one of those stat picks where they go with measurables. That would mean they ignored better players because they didnt “fit”. Now that would be a big disappointment in terms of strategy

      • Glenn

        I hear you for sure! I would like this pick in the second round. I think Benjamin is a reach in the first round, due to his relatively high chance of being an average WR at the NFL level. That is why I would be disappointed if he is picked at 22. I think if Cooks, Beckham, and Lee are all picked by 22, then one of the defenders that would really help this team, like Pryor or Moseley has slipped. I think Lee and Benjamin will at the very least be available, and the pick should be Lee. I think I like Matthews and Moncrief better than Benjamin.

        • peteike

          ya def, hoping they can trade back or go D with that first pick. I know a lot of fans dont want a safety but I would love pryor or dix at that spot.

          • oreofestar

            watch out for the wildcard Kyle Fuller

          • Richard Colton

            might be right. didn’t Falafel, or whatever his name is, basically guarantee a 1st or 2nd rd DB?

          • cliff henny

            tough to tell, between the 28 insults in 6 sentences. actually quite a feat, his insults to sentences ratio

          • oreofestar

            yeah I just always think about how Davis was hopping all over Fuller and introduced him to Chip and how the FO loves corners and think Fuller is a legit possibility and he is my favorite corner so I would not hate it even though I do not think we should go round 1 corner

          • Warhound

            I think it’s more that a lot of fans have realized that Kelly and Co are unlikely to take a safety high.

          • oreofestar

            I agree I think most of us would be pretty pleased but 1 I think both are gone and 2 the front office does not value the position

          • Maggie

            Does not value? What did they do in FA? Whether you like those players or not, they addressed safety!

          • oreofestar

            In general they do not put a premium on the safety position the way they do LB or CB now I would not be on the floor in shock if Dix or Pryor become Eagles I just don’t expect it

          • Andy124

            When we say they do not value the safety position, we mean that they don’t want to invest a lot of resources in the position in terms of salary cap and high draft picks relative to other positions. Jenkins should provide an upgrade, but he doesn’t represent a particularly large investment of resources. This regime is still very new, so we’re all still guessing about how they value what, but I do think it’s reasonable to guess that safety isn’t considered a premium position by our FO.

          • Maggie

            Not considered premium is not the same as does not value. I was just questioning the wording, which seemed to say that Chip does not value safeties the way Andy did not value linebackers. ~)

          • Andy124

            Hmm, I’m using them interchangebly, and the ‘Reid with linebackers’ is the exact parallel I’m making in my mind. It’s not like Reid never addressed LB. He just didn’t invest a lot of resources in it.

          • Warhound

            They made certain that they wouldn’t be in a must draft a safety high position.

          • Maggie

            Right. Jenkins, Maragos, Johnson, all safeties, and Carroll at corner. They upgraded these positions almost to the exclusion of everything else. Anyway, all I said was that I don’t think that the FO places no value on safeties. C’mon now. If I said the sky is blue, would somebody come up with, “Not really, because there are some clouds, so the sky is not completely blue, so therefore you are wrong.”

  • Kev_H

    The guy obviously has some things going for him. I’d feel better drafting a younger guy with more consistent production to go with the physical measurables in the first round.

  • Anonymous

    I think Benjamin is overrated in the first. He’s more of a second-round talent. That being said, I’d much rather see the Eagles draft Robinson, Matthews, or Moncrief at 54. In the first, the only receivers I’d like to see selected at 22 is ODB or Cooks.

  • oreofestar

    Damn I need this draft to come quick so I can focus on the NBA draft with Jabari declaring we are set

    • Glenn

      I hope we get one of the top three picks. Crossing fingers.

      • oreofestar

        I hope we get number 1 and anything less than 3 is disgusting to me…..sock a mock where we got Jabari and Smart I would not mind that at all

        • Richaud Jeaffreson

          Wiggins and McDermott braj

  • kenkap

    Oh God no. Bust written all over him, Dreaded word.
    “Prospect”.

    • oreofestar

      I know I see a ton of bust when I look at Benjamin he just reeks of it….but he has those tempting traits that makes a GM pull the trigger…and then regret it

  • IAteLunchToday

    I just looked at his spider chart again and I’m just not impressed. It looks like what mine would look like. And I wouldn’t draft myself in the first round.

    • oreofestar

      Same I am 6’3 and I am pretty fast and my wing span is like 6’8….what is the thing with being big and fast plus he is not fast…all the non-genetic portions are unimpressive

      • oreofestar

        If you want big and fast draft me lol I can get you a solid 7 catches a year maybe a TD or 2 before I retire

    • cliff henny

      i’d look like this glorious POS, w/out 40 time..

      http://mockdraftable.com/player/481/

      • Andy124

        I’m not even clicking through. I don’t need to know it’s Casey and I don’t need to see Casey’s spider chart again lol. Though it’s really more of a spider point. One point right in the very center of the graph.

        • cliff henny

          when it’s a negative graph, it’s always the man wineglass RC refuses to mention

        • Richard Colton

          yeah. his spiderchart is a tick.

          • Andy124

            So, Casey is a parasite. Makes sense.

            EDIT: Casey or other Eagles who are reading this (I see you Mr. Kelce), sorry for being so mean. It’s all in good fun.

          • cliff henny

            Reid must have been on a 4 month greasey cheesesteak high to see ‘3rd rd starting mlb’ from that hot mess

      • IAteLunchToday

        Sadly I don’t remember clicking on his chart before. That is too funny. I should have tried to walk on at Oregon. I could have beat up Casey Mathews at least.

        • cliff henny

          the draft would have to 58 rds for kelly to draft CM. really cant possibly be a way he sticks for another year, is there?

          • oreofestar

            he is starting unless we get that trade with the Cards to send Floyd, Peterson,and a 1st for Matthews and Sconces

          • Richard Colton

            no. but lets draft 3 LBs just to be sure.

          • cliff henny

            long, kaddu, Goode, these guys have got to be better. fletcher’s knee is better hopefully. think it’s about over for CM in Philly

          • Richard Colton

            How about ILB Mosley in round 1 and OLB Marcus Smith in round 3? I’d cut caseymatthews before day three of the draft.

          • cliff henny

            man, ‘bama defensive guys scare me. 1, sabin runs them into ground 2, it’s all 5-star athletes, looks better than they are 3,sabin know how to hide flaws. give me tradeback, take a-rob and add a 3rd use it on Christian jones.
            .
            and always cut Casey

          • oreofestar

            If we are talking about adding lbs I think we add one inside and outside guy maybe trade out of round 1 and turn our 1st round pick into Devante Adams and KVN now that would be intense

  • Tommy McCabe Jr

    The way I see it, if ya like the guy ya draft him regardless of what the damn “experts fill your head with. Hes obviously getting better seeing as he doubled his rec and yds from 1st to 2nd season. Would love to see the comments after next season when he tears it up in the nfl. Bandwagoners would be everywhere, saying ” I knew he was gonna be good”

    • Richaud Jeaffreson

      Not gonna happen.

  • Richaud Jeaffreson

    If he is there in the third I wouldn’t be mad. Seems like a waste of a 1st or 2nd round pick. The guy is just big, with mediocre hands. You can dominate college kids physically. That won’t happen in the NFL.

  • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

    Runs lazy routes. Throws lazy blocks. His guy sure does make a lot of tackles. And yo, If Karlos Williams isnt a first round pick next year, NFL GMs are dumber than dirt.

  • Scott J

    The defenders trying to cover Benjamin look really small. Kelly liking him makes sense because he likes Tight Ends, and Benjamin is the size of a TE and can block downfield like one.