Twitter Mailbag: On Robinson, Dion And CBs

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I can see Robinson as a fit. He’s a big (6-3, 220), physical receiver who got it done in multiple ways on the college level. As Sheil points out, 28 percent of his catches last season came on screens, and he averaged over 14 yards after the catch on those plays.(The quick receiver screens were a pretty big part of Chip Kelly‘s offense last year.) The Penn State product is a reliable pass-catcher who will fight for the ball downfield and provide a nice option in the red zone. Plenty to like even if he’s not a burner.It’s possible that Robinson slips. If he does, he won’t be alone.

“Guys will be pushed back because of the quality and the depth of the class,” predicts Howie Roseman. 




If that proves true, teams should find really good value at wideout beyond the first round. That's why I'm more inclined to think the Eagles will select a receiver outside of the first round instead of at No. 22 (unless there is a receiver on the board with a significantly better grade than the other options). Not sure if it will be Robinson, but could be. 

Looking at it differently. I see Cary Williams and Bradley Fletcher as solid short-term options but long-term answers still need to be found. I would be comfortable with the Eagles addressing the secondary (and cornerback specifically) early and often in this draft. Depth at corner remains an immediate need in my mind. When one of the starters was missing for any period of time last season, the defense really struggled. The addition of Nolan Carroll should help in that respect, but they need to continue to stockpile talent at this position. Ideally, they'll eventually hand one of the outside positions over to an impact playmaker. Some would argue that player is Brandon Boykin, but the Eagles love him in the slot and are reluctant to move him.


Not ruling a trade for Dion Jordan out but the asking price (a first-round pick as well as a former first rounder in Brandon Graham) is probably too rich for the Eagles' blood. All is quiet on this front right now, from what I'm told. Talks could heat up as we get closer to the draft, of course, but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of momentum at the moment.

I believe the Eagles will stay aggressive, though, one way or another. They need to find answers at outside linebacker.

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  • jmkrav

    Does BG plus a 2 and next years 3 get it done for Dion?

    • GEAGLE

      How can anyone answer that?

      • Will

        maybe at some point on Draft day it get’s answered…

    • jesse

      I would like to swap 22 for Dion straight up if Dion was on the board at 22 we would grab him and Miami recoups their FR pick win win .. then could maybe trade BG for a late pick. Also what do you think about this running back from SF? Is he worth a late pick? Maybe package a traceback with SF for him and extra pick?

  • GEAGLE

    Lol we considering Brandon Graham as a “former first round pick” in a trade? Please….22 and BG is like trading a late first and a 6th round pick for Dion who is a year older and stronger from when we would have drafted him…if the dolphins will take that trade, I can’t even explain how fast the eagles would do that deal…..then again, dolphins possibly wanting BG seems like lazy philly media attempting to connect simplistic 4-3 dots to me….Dion was a draft pick that wasn’t going to pay off as a rookie,anyone with half a brain knows that.

    The only way you would even think about not giving up 22 for Dion if someone crazy unexpectedly falls like barr(who like Dion won’t provide much at all as a rookie), Evans, Ebron,Donald….

  • John E. Zang

    Here’s the issue…the dolphins have to get rid of him or they have to change their entire scheme to fit him. They don’t have the advantage plus he has a big contract. I think they’d pull the trigger with just our first round pick but I don’t think the eagles want to do that. So Miami either lets him turn into a bust and get nothing or they get what they can for him like the Browns smartly did last season with Indianapolis. Philly probably has the most interest in this but maybe not enough. I don’t think he’s worth our 22nd pick not to say he might turn out a special player. But as it stands a late first rounder would be a win for Miami in my opinion.

    • G_WallyHunter

      All that dead money really gets in the way for them too, whatever they do they’ll want to somehow mitigate that as much as possible

      • Will

        Did Geagle just get banned? All his comments got deleted?

        • Brian

          Again?

          • Andy124

            That’s what he gets for calling the “How Early is Too Early” article, “silly”. lol

          • Will

            Well Geagle certainly was opinionated in his views but brought a lot insight and good points to the table….Wow…didn’t know that they would ban people from here…

          • cliff henny

            he wont be gone long, plenty of different ways the capitalize Geagle, GEAGLE, etc.

          • Andy124

            Usually they just ban them for posting too many mock drafts… lol

          • Will

            Yeah that wasn’t a very wise comment…sheil and Tim work hard to post stuff here for sure..

          • Andy124

            I already posted this, but it’s not showing so I’ll try again.

            I was totally kidding about that being a cause for banning. If he did indeed get hit with the ban-stick, I’m positive it was for something else entirely (no idea what) and an accumulation of little things. I also wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just Disqus acting up and new and unpredictable ways.

        • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

          GEAGLE richie incognito’ed maggie and got released over it i assume. he always seemed to have a bone to pick with her.

        • G_WallyHunter

          no way

    • ceedubya9

      I think it will happen in June, when they can spread some of that dead money out. Perhaps next year’s 1st (hopefully 2nd) will get it done then.

      • Tom W

        Only way I see it happening as well but that doesn’t help us much if we don’t have confirmation before the draft because then we are going to spend a pick in rd 1 or 2 or 3 on an olb.

        • ceedubya9

          Which still could be a benefit. The OLB they sign in the draft will probably be Cole’s backup/future replacement, and may need a year or two seasoning anyway. Jordan could probably be looked at as a replacement for either outside spot. I think that this would be a good problem to have, and they could always use more depth anyway. None of the options behind the two current starters are that great, so, the more the merrier I say.

    • JofreyRice

      eh, Wake’s older than Cole, and they drafted Dion because they loved his potential as a passrusher. I don’t think you’d get the most out of him, but if you believe he can be a passrush force, then I think you can make him work in a 4-3. Considering they run a one gap system, he’s just lining up a little more inside of where he’d be lining up as a standup rusher as a 3-4 OLB. Don’t agree they’d *have* to get rid of him.

  • Mari Juana

    Nick Foles (57.8): Foles had a 1-5 record with a 44.9
    QBR score as a starter under Andy Reid in 2012, but he was significantly
    better under Chip Kelly last season. “Let’s judge him in Kelly’s
    system, where he will be judged going forward,” Polian said. “The
    numbers are very favorable.”

    Williamson said he liked Foles as a prospect, but he also thought Foles **benefited from some favorable luck.** “A few years ago, Josh Freeman
    got away with bad decisions and had a good touchdown-to-interception
    ratio, and Foles had a little bit of that last season,” he said. “Right
    now, the perception is that he is better than he is. I have more faith
    in RG III or even Tannehill at this point.”

    ……

    • Andy124

      1) random
      2) QBR is a garbage stat. Go with his quarterback rating.
      3) It was noted repeatedly that what was most remarkable in Nicks ball protection last season is how little luck played a role. Not only was there a lack of interceptions, there was a lack of near interceptions.

      119.2 should go down and Nick’s career high qb rating, but he’s still plenty badass.

      • Mari Juana

        There were plenty of near interceptions….you just refuse to acknowledge them.

        • ztom6

          27-2 is some luck for sure, but even with some worse luck he would have had great TD-int stats

          • Mari Juana

            This is the weedman’s point. People refuse (especially here) to acknowledge the extreme luck involved. Personally, i think we’re in for a looong season. i hope not..

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            #7 y did u change your name?

          • Mari Juana

            Anyone that says anything about Foles is now assumed to be #7?

            That’s weak man. From what I saw,, he could handle his own on here. I didn’t like him, but respected his opinion like I’m trying to do yours

          • Andy124

            Nope. You’re #7.

          • Mari Juana

            Nope. You’re Andy124

          • Andy124

            Nope, I’m a meat popsickle.

          • Tom W

            Troll go away

          • botto

            extreme luck?
            yes luck is alwasy involved and better be because you cant win without it but extreme luck is pushing it really hard.
            vick sucks

          • Mari Juana

            2 INT’s isn’t lucky? Hell Montana and Brady have never done that. Let me guess. Foles is better than Montana and Brady, right?

          • yoant702

            I’d call it highly efficient.

          • paul from nc

            Now you go it. Ask Jim00.
            He said it a million times during the season. LOL

          • yoant702

            Seriously!?! Way to stay positive! Vick is an all time great “talent?” Since when? Go watch the jets. Ive been reading your comments. Are you sure youre an eagles fan? Now you have everybody on this dumb total qbr vs qb rating topic. Both are flawed. Though because tqbr takes into account other players contibutions like yac. The classic rating system is better to judge qb vs qb. Either way the best thing to do is watch the games and judge for yourself. Foles had “some” luck last year of course? But show me a successful qb who didnt. We went 10-6 coming of two horrible seasons. New coach and entire staff. New scheme. Poor defense and special teams. Second year qb who wasnt supposed to start to begin with. Went to the playoffs, and should have beat the saints. Remeber foles took us down for what could have been the game winning drive. If only we had better ST amd Williams didnt get that horse collar, and if benny logan didnt stink at NT. Or if kelly would have pulled a billichek and let them score to give us another shot. Either way, give it some time before you start jumping ship. Go Birds!

          • paul from nc

            Everybody complains about the horsecollar. Look at the tape — If he doesn’t do that, it’s a touchdown for sure. Nobody else would have caught him.

          • paul from nc

            Luck plays in every QB every Year.
            Remember 2 years ago, every bad bounce we could get, last year it went the other way. In the ratings, it evens out eventually. Great catches, dropped balls. You can’t say woulda, coulda , shoulda — it is what it is.

        • Joe

          The near interceptions were charted by PFF and there were only 4

          • Burberry Manning

            How about charting near touchdowns missed by wrs or tight ends getting stopped at the 1 yard line : ) stats could hv been even better

          • peteike

            exactly, for every near bad things the opposite applies.

          • paul from nc

            I loved the bounces off two defenders to DJax, and the shanked 9 iron that the wind blew 15yds right to Cooper

      • Adam G

        Pretty funny you say QBR is a garbage stat and rating isn’t. Tons of stuff rating doesn’t take into account that should be.

        • Andy124

          rating certainly isn’t perfect, but it’s pretty good. I’ve seen awful, awful games come out with higher QBRs that 300 yard games with more td’s than ints. McNabb had like 14 yards passing in a full game and didn’t have the lowest qbr of the week. It’s a complete joke.

          I’m not against advanced stats or the thoughts behind the QBR, but the execution of it is completely broken. If you don’t like rating and want to find another stat to use, DVOA is available for free.

          • Adam G

            For sure, I just think rating is garbage bc it doesn’t take into account fumbles, runs, sacks and when the plays were made. QBR at least accounts for that. I default to DVOA.

          • Mari Juana

            Or scrambles, which is now gone and was a great asset for our team that is now gone. Go ahead and subtract 4-5 first downs on broken pass plays

          • Rick H

            You are overstating your transparent weak case. Actually you are very redundant/ out of date/boring… Your goal is to malign and that makes your comments trivial and disingenuous. You are trying waaay too hard. If you want to watch Vick follow the Jets.

          • Mari Juana

            Well Vick is an all time great talent. People will always watch Vick. This conversation was not about Vick though. Just an interesting thing that I read about Foles and what people are saying all across the US.

          • Rick H

            Stay classy! You really brought some great information (cough cough)… Did you know that it was a really cold winter in this area? TRY HARDER it will be all YOUR wasted time from this point on.

          • Mari Juana

            hey hey hey hey smoke weed everyday

          • Andy124

            typical #7.

          • dnabrice

            Vick gets to play Billy twice a year. We’ll see who makes who look silly, but my money is on the hoodie.

          • Andy124

            To me, that makes it imperfect, not garbarge.

          • Adam G

            That’s a lot of meaningful stats that are left out to be called imperfect. And what is it specifically about QBR you don’t like except for some anecdotal evidence? Let me clarify, I’m not saying I like it either, just asking. Again, I defer to DVOA.

          • Andy124

            It’s the anecdotal evidence. The rating may differ from a performance by some reasonable amount, and lost fumbles have to be accounted for seperately, but it’s not going to be off by orders of magnitude. QBR can be. That’s enough to throw it out along with the bath water.

            If you don’t like the rating, that’s fine. Reasonable even. But trying to replace it with QBR is a joke. If you’re choosing which to use to get a rough comparison between two quarterbacks, pick the rating every time. Otherwise, go with something else entirely, like DVOA.

          • Adam G

            Yeah, I just trust DVOA and DYAR. Foles was ranked 2nd in DVOA, and 5th in DYAR(which is cumulative based). Both are excellent rankings.

          • Andy124

            No argument here.
            Also forgot to mention the convenience factor. The rating is readily available from pretty much any site, and can be easily calculated at home. Pop some stats in to a spreadsheet and you’ve got do-it-yourself stats analysis. What was his rating over the last 4 games? What’s his rating if you eliminate the best and worst? What if that tipped touchdown had been picked off? Things of that nature.

          • dnabrice

            I didn’t think QBR came out till after McNabb was gone….ESPN made up the stat so they can come up with it themselves, throw it around and try to have a meaningful say in the NFL. Don’t think anyone’s buying it.

          • Andy124

            Yup, was actually referring to his first game as a Viking.

        • Mari Juana

          Exactly. And i don’t have to be high to see that

      • Andy124

        Hey dumbass, don’t feed the trolls.

      • John E. Zang

        I don’t understand all the Foles haters, the dude gets no love. But everyone will continue to make excuses for Robert Griffin until the losses keep mounting and he’s out of the league.

    • Will

      Going 27-2 TD’s to INT’s isn’t just lucky. Nick was excellent in protecting the ball and surprised almost everyone….I expect Nick will continue to protect the ball again this upcoming season…

      • Mari Juana

        That is the hope, but expectations need to be be tempered. You people fall in love to hard and refuse to see what’s in front of you. Foles had a lot of things work in his favor last year. No doubt about it

        • Will

          Even if he goes 57-5 it would be impressive….

          • Andy124

            Stop feeding #7.

          • Will

            Gotcha…lol…did I wonder onto a Jets blog…lol…

          • Mari Juana

            #7? I hated that MF, but he made a lot of good points at times

          • Andy124

            Nope. You’re #7.

          • Mari Juana

            Get your guessing skills up. You think that #7 is the only one that thinks that Foles was lucky?

            NFL.com
            ESPN
            SI.com

            Several publications and other websites have said so too. But it’s just an opinion. If you think that 27:2 had zero luck involved, more power to you.

        • Kev_H

          Huh? Check the team’s record in games he played in 2012 and 2013 versus the team’s record when he didn’t play. It’s almost a complete reversal. The team was 14-18 overall, but 9-6 in games Foles started. Put a decent team around him and the sky’s the limit. The guy had a number of virtually flawless games last year and only one stinker.

    • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

      what’s your point? oh i see just random foles hatred vick supporter going by a different screen name? someone wrote something about foles and now you are happy you found someone saying what you always thought. cool noone cares except for maybe that big butt person #7 and some other soso eagles fans who will be yelling out J-E-T-S suck suck suck….

      • Mari Juana

        A blog is a forum for opinions. Why are you angry

        • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

          not angry just being honest. :)

          • Mari Juana

            That’s a funny way of showing it. Try some Mari Juana to calm your nerves.

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            not really sure where you sensed any anger maybe my comment made you angry and so you are assuming i wrote the comment in anger but you are incorrect sir.

          • Mari Juana

            Read your comment again

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            annoyed maybe as i thought the foles sux crowd would be on a ny jets website and out of here but not angry. if you think im angry and it makes you feel better though than hey dont let me stop you from your enjoyment.

          • Mari Juana

            Annoyed. Sure whatever you want it to be, but know this, there was no mention of Foles sucks. Talk to Williamson and ESPN about that

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            lol you can read my comment again. no caps no exclamation points. i was just being honest. ok here we go. SCREW YOU FOLES IS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR ONE DUMB SOB AND YOU ARE JUST REALLY MAD AT THE FACT THAT VICK SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE YOU SO MUCH RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH. HULK GET MAD!!!!!!!!!! HULK GET STRONG!!!!!!! BASH! SMASH! i just tore up one of my dual monitors everyone in the office is staring at me. gosh i really need to control my anger. you really were so right you made me super angry…

          • Mari Juana

            …………..

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            lol yep…

          • paul from nc

            Why are we even doing the Foles -Vick debate? It’s over

            I didn’t think Vick was the answer last year, but I also don’t think Foles is the future. He had a great year, but showed many flaws. If he even comes close to his #’s this year, I’ll believe.
            But, I don’t think he will.
            That doesn’t make me a Foles hater or Vick lover. Just my opinion.

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            when did i ever call YOU a foles hater or a vick lover?

          • paul from nc

            I didn’t say you did. Your previous comments intimated that if someone doesn’t like Foles, they must like Vick. Just wanted you to know, I’m don’t

          • Andy124

            Ah, the old #7 ….. reply. Just like old times.

    • Warhound

      Why would I value Williamsons’ opinion over that of Polian?

      • Mari Juana

        You don’t have to acknowledge either one of them….

        • Warhound

          Avoiding the question? Polian has a record of success; what about Williamson?

          • Mari Juana

            Well, Williamson would not be working for ESPN for all of these years if he never hit the nail on the head ever in his entire career. He’s able to post these articles for a reason….and yes they’ve all been right and wrong…like you and me.

            Jaworski has been wrong.
            Mayock
            Hoge

            All of them have been wrong, but they have been right also so take it how you want

          • Warhound

            Fair ’nuff

      • Andy124

        Wonder how many times it’s going to upvote itself as a guest? lol

        • Warhound

          I was wondering the same thing.

        • Mari Juana

          People agree with the post. That is why it is upvoted.

          • Adam G

            This is some quality trolling, and I mean that as a compliment.

          • Andy124

            Hi #7. How’s that BLP treating you?

          • Mari Juana

            Did #7 do something to you? Why do you keep bringing him up? None of this is about #7 or Vick. It’s about Foles’ perceived luckyness..not really a word but oh well.

            Hell I hope he comes back on here soon. He makes it interesting on here at least instead of everyone exalting Foles as the next coming of Montana

          • Maggie

            Montana was shorter. Just as skinny though.

          • Mari Juana

            And 50x better

          • Maggie

            Eventually.

          • Andy124

            Nope. #7 loved me, as you well know, #7.

          • paul from nc

            I used to love reading #7 and Jim35 (aka Jerseymark) — they were a riot

    • Tom W

      Love the upvotes by this troll via guest. slick troll real slick.

      • Mari Juana

        How can one person upvote himself 5 times?

    • peteike

      go ahead and put that faith in RG and Tannehill. Im not esp as an Eagles fan. What was not to like about 27-2. Sure, I dont expect that rate to continue but claiming it was somehow more luck than not is just as insincere as claiming the opposite. Probably somewhere in between which still is impressive. I also never buy into the strength of schedule nonsense. There is something to be said for the luck in terms of the opponents injuries this past season but I offset that with the incredibly successful scheme CK brought to the table.

    • Token

      O look its #7 again with yet another new name. How exciting. zzzzzzzzzzz

      • Mari Juana

        ………….

    • myeaglescantwin

      Makes very good points. There were multiple plays that Foles was bailed out by either a WR or even dropped int’s. But good QB’s take chances. Good QB’s rely on their wideouts to read bad passes and make plays.

      Foles is a 3rd year 3rd round Qb with a full year of tape on his style and decisions.
      Anyone that thinks, rather, expects Foles to continue his career with that ratio is sipping the Spudero juice.

      What i’m expecting, is for Chip to take the pressure off of Foles. I expect to use all 4 RB’s to their full potential & then take shots when the defense starts cheating up. Pick and choose your battles until the kid develops.

  • Uncle Wonder

    In other draft news…Jabari Parker declared today…so Sixers should get a quality player assuming their 1st pick is 1st – 4th

    • Mari Juana

      The Sixers lol. Ain’t been ish since Manute Bol

    • NickS1

      As a Duke fan, I’m sad. I was really hoping all the delay would lead to him staying for another year to make a serious push with what would have been a loaded squad. That said, the 6ers should absolutely hope they can get him. Most pro ready prospect in this draft.

      • Uncle Wonder

        His defense tho…smh

        • NickS1

          It needs work at the college level. He’s about right for the NBA, though. Hope the 6ers don’t get Wiggins. I don’t think he develops into the franchise changer people think. All the ability, don’t see it in the mental makeup. At least from the 8-10 games I saw. It may develop, never know. I think his ceiling is Paul George-ish. I’ve said it before, I’d rather see a draft haul with Parker and Early in the first round.

          • peteike

            he improved a ton as the season ended. I think the D thing is a tad over rated. Tons of great NBA players who can barely D up, no need to name them and we’d be ecstatic to have them on Sixers. Sure, having the D game is great also but Ill take my potent offensive guy with roll players to do the dirty work all day.

          • NickS1

            Wait, who improved a ton as season ended? I’m sure both did. I just hate watching Wiggins. Dude goes into ghost mode (as in, you don’t notice him) far too often for a player of his hype.

          • peteike

            oh Wiggins, at least thats what pundits were saying. He did disappear at times.

          • NickS1

            He did. I’ll tell ya, though. That 6-shot game in the tournament. I can’t endorse that.

          • cliff henny

            Kansas handle him horribly. had him standing in corner. plus, Wiggins game is tailored for NBA, not college. Parker wont upset me, but higher ceiling guy, especially athletically is Wiggins.

          • NickS1

            I agree he’s a better athlete. Kansas mishandled him to an extent, but part of it falls on him. Can’t agree that Wiggins has a higher ceiling, though. There’s a mental aspect to the game that may or may not click with Wiggins. It’s been there with Parker.

          • peteike

            yup, Im sticking with my initial thought that Parker looks like the more polished guy for sure. I like that, great shot and can take it to the hoop. It almost feels like Wiggins has to live up to such hype that it may fall flat.

          • NickS1

            Yeah, the hype is definitely unfair. Kid came out of nowhere and started getting LBJ comparison. Not fair for anyone. Almost as tough as being compared to the GOAT (MJ). I certainly don’t think he’ll be a bad player, or even a role player. I just have a harder time seeing him carrying a team to wins than I do Parker.

          • Uncle Wonder

            Wiggins is definitely passive…but he is a kid, i like his effort at both ends and he has great metrics…Jabari needs to lose some weight…he has that Evan Turner body, I think trimming down will help him in the league.

          • NickS1

            Please don’t insult him with the Evan Turner comparison haha… I see a lot of Paul Pierce in his game when he’s playing on the wing. When he gets down low, reminds me a lot of Elton Brand. Remember, he’s also a kid. A long NBA season will make him shed a few throughout the course of a season as is. If he’s going to play 3, I don’t want him to lose weight so much as I’d rather him turn more into muscle. Rather him play at 240 than 225. Adds to his versatility.

    • Tom W

      Best news I heard all day ….. i’m still not thrilled at Exum at 4 if the sixers fall to 4 but now at least the top 3 picks are franchise changers.

      • cliff henny

        be really bad luck to fall out of top 3. worst luck ever if NO’s one to do it.

        • Tom W

          O God that would be freaking horrible. Dream scenario is first pick take Wiggins and use 10 and Thad to move up to 6 or 7 and get Vonlah.

          Otherwise wiggins, embiid or parker AND Stauskas or Young at 10 would make me happy.

          swap two twos for a late first w one of the cap strapped teams and pluck big dog jr …

          • cliff henny

            yup, something like that. like Gordon too. don’t forget like 30m in cap space, there’ll be some serious activity. sixers are perfect 3-way eating garbage contract partners for picks. or go euro-stash crazy w/ 5 2nd rdrs

          • Uncle Wonder

            We need a 2…I would take tht same scenario and move up for Smart…his shooting could use some work but puts pressure on the D

  • Maggie

    Hey, people. Logged on to see what’s up and find 47 tweets about who is or is not a troll? Plus back to Foles-Vick?? Cmon guys. There are waay more important subjects to waste out time on, aren’t there?

    • OldDocRoss

      C’mon. You aren’t even a little excited to hear from someone who thinks Vick is an all time great who could be relied on to pick up 4-5 1st downs a game scrambling on broken pass plays?

      He’s giving us some once in a generation level detachment from reality here. You gots to appreciate.

      • Maggie

        Only once in a generation? ;~)

        • OldDocRoss

          OK, once in a generation but with an family of sockpuppets, to be more precise.

          • Maggie

            Lol. Just reminded me of the sockmonkey we gave the dog. He tore off one arm, removed most of the stuffing, but with some serious stitching up, the sock toy has actually become a favorite!

        • Maggie

          Oops. Accidentally upvoted myself!

    • Andy124

      If you can’t starve ‘em, troll ‘em.

  • Maggie

    Tim; You could be right about more CBs for backup, but with only 6 picks so far, the general consensus seems to be that pass rushers, especially in the front 7, are even more important. Isn’t the popular thinking that a better front end automatically improves the DBs? And some of the national “experts” keep pushing Corners at the Eagles. Ignoring the more pressing needs? And, yes, I have heard of BPA.
    Edit: Too many ‘ands’?

    • Andy124

      pushing corners…. pressing needs…. there’s a joke in there somewhere, I swear it! :)

      • Maggie

        Most corners are a little too lean for me. Give me a nicely “groomed” linebacker. Of course, when pressing pillow cases or tablecloths, one must push the corners out nice and square. Not that I have any great interest in doing the ironing!

        • Andy124

          Well geez, I was just thinking about press corners. I didn’t know you were going to go all pg-13 rated on us Maggie. Come on, this is a family board here.

      • paul from nc

        as well as “better front end”

  • Burberry Manning

    I think foles rookie season performance was overlooked because of the loss

  • JofreyRice

    Not as long a historical record to go on with Roseman as with other GMs, but since he’s been the titular GM in 2010, the team has gone DL (Graham), OL (Watkins), DL (Cox), OL (Johnson) in the first round. Just a historical coincidence, or is it indicative of value placed in the fronts, in regards to first round picks, which is a somewhat conventional view?

    Isn’t the OL the keystone to everything Kelly wants to do with the football team, based on what he’s said, and the moves they’ve made since he’s been in charge? Our guards are old. Mathis is still playing lights out, but Herremans was poor in pass pro. With a desire to accumulate extra picks, and the fact that guards just generally aren’t taken all that high, I can imagine a trade back into the top of the second, picking up an extra second or third, and going with a really athletic OL to slate for the RG spot. Joel Bitonio, Xavier F’ila-Sualo’ Turn Herremans into depth. Probably the least sexy scenario one can think of, but it feels very possible, to me.

    • Maggie

      NFL AM reported that the Cowboys are courting Anthony Barr really hard. Promising to turn him into another Randy White or Too Tall Jones? Or at least Demarcus Ware? A lot of people want Barr to come to Philly, but, twice a year with that !!@@## star on his helmet??

      • cliff henny

        terrible pick. he’s not a fit for tampa 2. wouldn’t bother me if they picked him at all. plus, he’s very raw, you’re talking 2 or 3 yrs before seeing Ware level, by then, Romo is probably in body caste

        • Maggie

          I didn’t say he would become Ware, just that maybe JJ is promising the young man. I’m not sure he is suited for the D line either. He would have to put on substantial weight for one thing. That long lean body-type more properly suits Kelly, probably. Pac12 after all. Or maybe the Steelers. Barr is built a lot like Lambert was. Most people didn’t think he could play LB. While I never could stand the Cowboys, I can admire individuals, or at least feel sorry for them. Romo just might be in that body cast before the 2014 season is out. One hard hit in the wrong place….. with 8 or 9 people all calling plays, well, “I have a baaad feeling about this”.

          • Andy124

            Exactly. We’re all on the same page here. It would be a bad fit unless Dallas is switching back to a 3-4 again real soon, which I don’t see happening this offseason with Kiffin Sr. still alive and kicking.

            And Romo sucks! ;)

          • cliff henny

            which would be great! switching defenses isn’t all that simple. especially when current group stinks. was case likeeagles with new coach coming in or NO which was half decent, had bad year, and regrouped…Dallas has limited talent, will spend resources to make tampa 2 better then switch up, waste past 2 drafts of defensive picks for most part and start over from basically scratch. all while Romo is on the clock.
            .
            love position Dallas is in, really nothing they can do that makes me think they’ll be better in ’16 or ’17 by what they do today.

      • JofreyRice

        yeah, supposedly Rod Marinelli told him he could be a 4-3 end. He’d have to fill out a little, but hell, the Eagles ran out undersized ends for much of the Reid era. With all the zone blitzing that’s been mixed in, and the multiplicity of fronts, I think the line between pure 4-3 End and 3-4 Outside Linebacker is blurring like the line between Receiver and TE.

        • cliff henny

          kid is lite in the cakes to be taking on likes of JP for next 3 yrs. he’s a deer that needs space to run, attack. think Dallas is about worst place…and if they’re thinking about 86’g tampa 2 if things don’t change on defense, even better.

          • Andy124

            Jordan to Miami all over again.

          • cliff henny

            probably worse. least Jordan provides a lot in coverage, and scheme versatility, while learning. Barr, for ’14, he’s good for 1 thing, attack qb, rest is learning on the job. then to switch him up tonew defense…kid will be lost. like him, but wont bother me to toss his career to the wolves by Dallas wasting a pick on him.
            .
            and not to mention, they still have gawd awful d-line! Shady might run for 300 if Sean Lee isn’t 100%

          • JofreyRice

            Jeez, I just don’t see it as starkly as you guys do. Barr’s fairly close to 250 now. John Abraham, Osi, Chris Clemons, Irvin, Avril, Cam Wake, all those guys play in that 250-260 range. Hell, I think the guy he’d be replacing, George Selvie, only outweighs him by about 5 pounds.

            I mean, if he’s standing up, doesn’t he have to face the same LT? It’s not like they can always get him matched up against a RB, right?

            My problem with Jordan isn’t his position, it’s his play personality. He’s not violent enough to really be the kind of edge defender I’d want at the #3 overall pick. Gets pushed past the pocket way too easily. I think folks saw it in his Oregon cutups and justified it by saying the sample size was too small–since they had him drop so often–and fell in love with the athletic #’s.

          • Andy124

            Sure I’m exaggerating a bit, but it’s a feel thing coming from me at this juncture. I can’t really defend it more than that, so I won’t try. It doesn’t actually cost me anything, so I’ll just continue to hold out hope that we don’t have to find out because he’s playing in midnight green. I can wait until May 8th.

          • cliff henny

            true, Irvin we’ve discussed, others are pretty polished guys. taking rookie raw OLB and asking him to be in dirt D-end or SLB in tampa 2, not even sure which way they’re going, seem like bad fit. seeing really tough learning curve for the kid. he needs to go to team like Eagles that wants athletic OLB and let him run like a deer on obvious passing down and grow into 3 down OLB. get the weight issue, but all 250 isn’t built the same or plays the same.
            .
            think he can play in NFL, no doubt, just question all the moving parts going on in Dallas, really seems like a horrible fit. they need NFL ready DL or it’s going to be horrific defense again this year.

          • JofreyRice

            eh, I dunno. I’d guess that he’s already heavier than Bruce Irvin was when he racked up 10 sacks as a rook. How much did Jevon Kearse play at? About 260-265? Is 10-15 pounds of 75/25 muscle/fat for an elite athlete like Barr doable, in his early 20s? Seems like it, to me.

            He’s probably not going to be a shutdown run defender, but that’s not what you’d be drafting him for anyway.As long as he can tie up a tackle and set the edge long enough to have the RB flow back inside to his help, that’s probably good enough. His paycheck is going to be earned on 3rd downs.

          • cliff henny

            maybe, you certainly follow defenders more than me, but Barr looks really lite in legs. looks like guy who needs space to run. Irvin isn’t fair…you and I might get 5 sacks playing on that team.
            .
            i love Barr to eagles (know it wont be Evans so Barr is my choice 1 at 22), think Dallas is about the worst team he could go to. no d-line, OTs could look for and set up for Barr and swallow him up. in D, he’d need to be 3 down LB day 1, i don’t see that at all. playing behind Cole, play mainly pass rush, bring along slowly, could excel.

          • JofreyRice

            dude, I’m flipping nasty off the edge, I could rack up at least 8 sacks if they use me as a pass rush specialist only.

          • cliff henny

            imagine Dutch….he mastered the swim move as a kid!

          • Andy124

            I’d get 22 sacks if QBs would just do me like Favre did Strahan.

        • Token

          So we would have to get above 16. Looking around that area the Rams at 13 may be possible. Dont know what it would take to get from 22 to 13.

          • Maggie

            Yes, yes. The Rams have 2 picks in the 1st round. Go get one, please!

          • JofreyRice

            FWIW, Lance Zierlein, who does “The Sideline View” said that his “league sources” thought the Eagles would be moving all around on draft day. Up, down, in-between.

          • Token

            I was wondering if they would be willing to trade multiple 2015 picks to move around this year. Its kind of a big year for the program I think. They have a number of real needs. And im sure they want to really get this thing going after a solid start last year. You know this is a good draft, likely deeper then next year. I would really consider it.

    • cliff henny

      wont mind any of this. think Eagles can squeeze another year out of TH, which would allow for 5th rd G to be groomed. if it got Eagles another 3rd and 5th dropping back to early 2nd, wont care who they take, go cb, would have enough picks to go bpa and cover holes plus get weapons, assuming Howie keeps the roll he’s on going

      • JofreyRice

        I wouldn’t mind coming out with a guard to groom and a guard to replace Todd right away. I’m really curious as to what Kelly really values. Running backs, and OL?

        • cliff henny

          only issue with all this is we have no idea what they think of Bamiro and tobin. hear they are very high on both, but we’re all skeptical enough to want to see something on field. almost an issue of too healthy.

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, that’s true. I always imagined Bamiro as a T, because he’s so tall, but Kelly had Long at G for him in Oregon. I have heard that Bamiro is extremely athletic for someone that size, but totally raw to the position.

          • myeaglescantwin

            doesn’t matter. You always need more OL.

            look what happened the year before last. embarrassing.

          • cliff henny

            matters when you are talking about draft resources, using 1st or 5th. plus, no team will ever be prepared to go 10-12 deep at o-line, that’s an anomaly

          • Andy124

            If you have 8 OL on the roster who aren’t a total liability on the field you’re ahead of the curve imo.

          • cliff henny

            have Barbre who looked solid, Dennis Kelly who started off like dogballz in ’12 disaster but thought he showed some promise in end. molk, who knows, gotta be better than veldeverde, right, mean he almost has too. Bamiro and tobin mentioned before. think base is solid enough just keep bringing in and developing. don’t see huge need for 1-3rd pick.

          • Andy124

            100%

          • Will

            Spot on…

          • dnabrice

            BPA……Never know….might happen…….

          • myeaglescantwin

            well depending on what Mathis ends up doing, we don’t know if we need a starter (1st). As i read it, the idea was moving back and gaining picks while selecting a guard in a later round.

            i do agree that it’s not as pressing of a need as our defense, but talent in the ranks across the board is necessary. I’m thinking later, like 4th or 5th.

          • dnabrice

            Oh they had OL…issue was quality.

        • peteike

          ya I wouldnt hate Xavier, just never that exciting is all. Thats why I said a week or so back, the draft has to be the most disappointing sporting “event” of all. So much time to talk about it then it happens and blah

          • JofreyRice

            I know, and half the time you know who’s drafted because they’re on their cell phone smiling 3 minutes before the pick is announced. Anti-climactic non-event. Could just see a list afterwards and get about as much from it.

          • cliff henny

            lot less fun know without Al Davis.

          • Andy124

            I know, and half the time you know who’s drafted because they’re on their cell phone smiling 3 minutes before the pick is announced.

            Hate that.

          • Brandon Ramsay

            The nfl doesn’t allow the cameras to show that anymore. I think it started last year.

      • myeaglescantwin

        I actually believe that trading back might be the best option at 22. Unless Chiphowie is able to move up for an impact player, or really covet a player at 22. Most of the other prospects don’t really outshine the competition at this portion of the draft. Players like Acho, Ford, KVN, Buchanan, Benjamin might all be on the board in rd 2 & 3. Oh, not to mention both of the OLB/DE’s they brought in for visits.

    • Token

      You sure know how to bring down a room. OL in the 1st? Nightmare scenario©

      • JofreyRice

        haha, yeah, well, I’d advocate trading back a bit to at least pick up some extra picks. Unless they think one of the guards is a slamdunk All-pro out of the gate, trade back a bit. Guards shouldn’t go so high in such a deep draft.

  • Beanskino

    Why do trades in the NFL cause cap hits? Shouldnt that be transferred to the new team?

    • NickS1

      Dead money. Signing bonuses get prorated over life of contract up to 5yrs. If player is cut or traded, remaining proration is accelerated into dead money hit in current year.

      • Adam G

        Except after June 1st, when the current cap figure is unchanged and the remaining hit is taken the following year.

        • NickS1

          True. Good catch. Think it’s more likely that something happens with Dion after June 1?

    • Maggie

      I’m hardly an expert, but does it have something to do with the league trying to put some kind of limit on free agency? Or the players’ ability to move around, or agents voiding contracts? The league always wants some kind of leverage for teams’ management at any rate. Having to share the cost of the contract might make some teams reluctant to trade away an asset.
      Edit: Nick’s answer probably makes more sense.

  • cliff henny

    Donnie Mac got popped for DUI in AZ, guessing…least he has a mugshot.

    https://twitter.com/azfamily/status/456861311595343872/photo/1

    • NickS1

      Probably beat his momma. Didn’t want anymore Campbell’s Chunky.

    • peteike

      haha oops, that sucks.

    • Rambler

      Seen him in bars out here. And AZ has notoriously strict DUI laws. Would not be too surprised if this is what it is.

      • peteike

        yup I live in CO and it seems like thats all the cops do out here. I imagine similar in AZ. Back in Philly the cops were actually busy with other crimes

        • Maggie

          A western/midwestern state thing? –A sheriff’s deputy discovered a quartet of naked Nebraskans in a pickup truck that was pulled over during a traffic stop, according to a police report.
          The Ford F-250 was stopped last Friday at 3 AM after cops received a call about a suspicious truck traveling near Lincoln. Lancaster County Sheriff’s Office Deputy Curtis Reha reported that he initiated the stop after observing “the front seat to be overloaded with four occupants.”
          “Upon initial contact with the occupants I observed two white males and two white females to be naked in the cab of the truck,” Reha noted. The deputy added that “a strong odor of alcohol was emitting from the vehicle
          Further inspection revealed that a Busch Light beer box with empty cans and several items of clothing were observed in the bed of the truck. The report does not indicate why driver Nickolus Borgman, 32, and his three passengers were unburdened by garments. (Feb. 2011)

          • DoctorRick

            Those wacky Nebraskans!

      • Maggie

        Kurt Busch, NASCAR’s defending champion, was arrested last night for drunk driving (2005). Kurt Busch was detained on suspicion of drunken driving and cited for reckless driving after a confrontation with police near the track where the NASCAR champion is to race Sunday. Busch was stopped Friday night after running a stop sign about 2 miles from Phoenix International Raceway, said Lt. Paul Chagolla.
        Busch was spotted driving about 60 mph in a 45 mph zone, Chagolla said. A deputy tried to pull Busch over but there was some delay, Chagolla said. When he did stop, Busch was argumentative and uncooperative, Chagolla said. The deputy then called for a supervisor. “This is Maricopa County and our streets are not to be used as raceways,” sheriff Joe Arpaio said. “He ought to confine his speeding to the racetrack. And I don’t like anybody being abusive to my deputies. I don’t care who they are.”
        Seems they like to catch big-name athletes. ;~)

    • peteike

      Per Les or RT “Donovan McNabb got arrested for throwing his license at the police officers’ feet” oh lord no, please tell me he didnt pull a “you know who I am” deal, just the worst if so but this is too soon to know really.

      • cliff henny

        ha, that’s awesome. honest, i did that to Philly city cop…picked it up quicker than a hummingbird can flap it’s wings.

        • peteike

          oh duh, I just got the joke man Im slow today. Throwing at his feet.

          • cliff henny

            RIP worms.

      • paul from nc

        LIcense was thrown low and away. Killed an armadillo, hence 1 day in jail

  • peteike

    Since were goin with twitter pics, Go Flyers !!

    https://twitter.com/Eagles/status/456877291176337409/photo/1/large

    • botto

      hmm only the white guys huh?

      • peteike

        hockey? haha

    • Token

      Any word on if Foles plans to come back to the facility before he has to? Would be nice.

    • Maggie

      Look almost as good as Clarke, Parent, Dornhoefer, Schultz did.

  • anon

    On DJ, seems silly to me to trade a first + for DJ. We might like him but he’ll never see the field in a first round capacity in Miami. Meanwhile we can have a 1st round guy we like — even if he wouldn’t be the OLB of our dreams.

    • Andy124

      too many people with the initials DJ.

      • reb

        possible alternatives: DiJor, Dior, D Jord, Diode, DJD

    • JosephR2225

      What do you mean he’ll “never see the field in a first round capacity”?

      • anon

        I mean he’ll never be as productive there as he would be in our 3-4. Miami is stocked at DE, even if they wanted to play him there he’d have to get bigger / stronger. I guess they could make him a LB, but he could be more dominant in a 3-4.

        I’m fine with him being wasted on another team, it’s not like he’s in the division hurting us.

        • JosephR2225

          I see. I don’t know… I don’t think they are likely to get a better player at 22 than Dion Jordan, so why not make the trade? The only way it hurts you is you forfeit a chance to trade back and accumulate more picks, but I think it would be worth it.

          • myeaglescantwin

            ^ solid point, but Dion doesn’t really have the toolset to put his hand in the dirt and play DE. He has more potential working in space.

            I’d do Curry for Dion straight up though. starter for starter. both are system fits. I think Curry may have the better career.

          • JosephR2225

            Well Curry isn’t a starter for the Eagles, he’s a rotational pass rusher. But I would love to make that trade, there’s just no chance the Dolphins would go for it.

          • myeaglescantwin

            You’re right, but that’s exactly what Dion is now too. Both would be starters for the team they go to. I know Miami has a 2nd year player they like, but Curry could beat him out for the job.

          • paul from nc

            Dolphins aren’t that crazy. I’m going with the people that say we pick who they want at 22, then trade that pus graham for Him after 6/1

          • Amar (India)

            Would you take Dion + 5th for BG + 1st ? Sounds fair to me.

          • JosephR2225

            Honestly I would probably pull that trigger without the 5th.

    • myeaglescantwin

      the only way we should consider doing a 2014 1st + Graham, would be if we got some type of higher draft pick in return. (2014 3rd or 2015 2nd)

  • anon

    Crazy statement of the day. If there was another Eddie Lacy type in the draft–would you ever consider trading #25 for more of a straight line power runner (let’s say he can also catch passes too)?

    • Andy124

      no

    • RIP illa

      We don’t run a straight line power run offense. So I guess that would be a no. Spelled is not a straight line power runner, and neither is Spiller, who the FO inquired about (stupidly). Our R/O isn’t suited, nor do I think it would be effective, with a that type of back as the main guy.

    • peteike

      never

    • Token

      not in a million years. You believe lacy is even in the same universe talent wise as Shady?

      Shady is one of the only truly elite players we have. Actually probably the only one. If you could say one cog makes the machine run, its Shady.

      Not to mention these power runners are a dying breed anyway. I want nothing to do with one. Just a injury waiting to happen and dont last. Ill take a hard runner as my #2 or #3 back for a certain situation, but not as my starter.

    • Maggie

      Don’t know. But I’d trade him for St. Louis’ extra 1st round pick.

    • Tom w

      Really

      • anon

        Not a straight up trade but a trade for picks and then wed take a late round rb. I wonder what shadys market would be like considering his price tag, but also wonder what chips prototypical rb would be.

  • Nick Lo

    Easy question. If Dion Jordan were available at No 22 this year, would the Eagles draft him. Of course they would. Given a year of experience. So give up the 22nd and welcome aboard DION.