Eagles Wake-Up Call: Kelly’s Tweaks In Year 2

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When Chip Kelly took a seat inside a Ritz-Carlton ballroom in Orlando last month and was surrounded by reporters, he knew DeSean Jackson was not going to be back with the Eagles.

Jackson’s release was the biggest move the team made this offseason, and undoubtedly, Kelly had already given a lot of thought about what the Eagles’ offense would like without the speedy wide receiver.




Year 1 under Kelly was a clear success. By just about any statistical measure, the Eagles had a top-five offense that included a quarterback reaching heights even his biggest supporters never envisioned. The team set record after record, the offensive line stayed healthy, and the skill-position players nearly all put up career numbers.

Now perhaps the biggest question facing the team going into 2014 is: How will Kelly alter the scheme to fit different personnel?

Asked about the differences in his offense at Oregon from year to year, Kelly said: "It changed. It’s always gonna change based on your personnel and who’s available to you. It changed from game to game."

The same could be said about the Eagles to a degree last year. The offense changed when the team went from Michael Vick to Nick Foles. The coaches made tweaks once they realized most defenses were going to play them in man coverage and load up against LeSean McCoy. There was the split-zone run with James Casey blocking that was introduced against the Cardinals. The sweep that gave the offense a boost against Dallas. And others.

Going into Year 2, Kelly loses Jackson while adding Jeremy Maclin and Darren Sproles to the mix.

"Hopefully we get Mac. So how do we integrate him into the scheme? And where can we use him?" Kelly said. "We moved Mac around a little bit before he got hurt. How do we kind of figure out what’s the best way to use him? I’m excited about that.

"When we finally get our hands on Darren and get a chance to really see what his strengths are, how do we start to maximize that? And then for all those other guys that have been there, it’s Year 2. So instead of them trying to realize or learn, ‘Hey I’m going here and this is where I get lined up and I need to be plus-two from the numbers’ and then the ball’s snapped, that stuff’s second nature to them. So I think you can build upon a lot of things we do with the guys that are back, and then when you add the new guys into the mix, that’s why what we look at at the finish of the year will be different. Not drastically, we’re not coming out in the wishbone, I can tell you that."

It will once again be a spread-to-run offense. And the Eagles will once again need to find ways to hit on big plays downfield. Last year, they had 80 pass plays of 20+ yards, tops in the league. Jackson had 25 of those, second to only Cleveland's Josh Gordon.

The Eagles could very well look to move faster in their tempo packages as well. Kelly and Texas Tech coach Kliff Kingsbury reportedly spent time discussing that topic this offseason. And Kelly stopped by Navy in part to learn more about their triple option.

"If we introduce new concepts or schemes, it was based on personnel," Kelly said. "…I think every decision we always make is personnel-driven in terms of how we’re gonna fit guys into the map, who’s pulling the trigger, what does he feel more comfortable doing as opposed to the other guy. And then sometimes, a lot of it’s feedback from our players. Some guys are better slant runners, other guys are better out runners. Some guys run this run play better, some guys run that one. So there’s tweaks I guess is the way we would do it."

The Eagles start their offseason program in five days. For two weeks, the focus is on strength and conditioning, but quarterbacks are allowed to throw to (uncovered) receivers. Beginning on May 5, coaches are allowed to have individual instruction on the field and conduct team practices. That's when the tweaks for Year 2 will be unveiled.

WHAT YOU MISSED

What they're saying: One ESPN writer blasts Kelly for his arrogance.

My close-up look at Louisville outside linebacker Marcus Smith. He could definitely be an option for the Eagles.

Kurt Coleman finds some of the Jackson stories "troubling."

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Ron Burke of CSN Philly likes Vanderbilt WR Jordan Matthews to the Eagles in the second round:

Matthews carried a heavy load in the Vanderbilt offense en route to becoming the SEC’s all-time leader in receptions and receiving yards. Because he was used so heavily, being in a pro offense that demands much of him won’t be a shock to his system. Matthews clocked a 4.46 40, but his speed does not jump off the screen. His knack for using his size to create space is one of his better attributes.

Tommy Lawlor of Iggles Blitz offers his thoughts on UCLA OLB Anthony Barr:

I’m sure the Eagles do have serious interest in Barr. He is the kind of OLB I think they would love. Barr is 6-5, 255. He is an athletic edge rusher, but can also cover and play in space. Chip will have some knowledge of Barr from his Oregon days. He might have even recruited Barr a few years back.

If Barr falls far enough, I’d move up for him. The problem is that I just don’t expect Barr to fall that far.

COMING UP

You can count on some more draft chatter.

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  • GEAGLE

    Chip will keep morphing this offense on a weekly basis, we already saw it last year…think, when we went to a 12 personel attack to shred Arizonas top defense
    ….
    Expecting some two back ZRs…checks out Cal’s offense in 2012…..Peyton ran a lot ofthe Sproles screens out of two back sets…..Casey will have a bigger role this year so you can expect Chip to throw up those 3 fingers more than he did last year and go with 3 TEs….last year was just a basic foundation, we haven’t seen any thing yet….wait til he opens up the playbook some this year

    • Joe L

      What makes you think Casey has a bigger role now?

      • GEAGLE

        Why wouldn’t i? His role started to increase later in the year, we even started a game late in the year out of 3TE sets but the media didn’t pick up on it….he is still here getting paid good money…most people assumed his production wasn’t worth his contract, but he is still here….I know we aren’t paying him 4mil to play ST..Casey is also someone I was familiar with before he got here, and I can assure you we haven’t even seen half of his ability yet..you really think he is going to make another 4 mil to have such a small insignificant role he had last year?

        • Joe L

          You knew about him before? Crazy.

          I think he just wasn’t the player Kelly thought he was going to be.

          • GEAGLE

            Why is he still making 4mil? We still haven’t brought in anyone to replace what he does….I know simple minds see him listed at TE, and Ertz listed at TE so Casey doesn’t fit, but Ertz has nothing to do with Casey. They practically play different positions…Ertz is a WR, Casey is an H-Back and Celek is a TE…just don’t think last year was time for the H-back….if he weren’t planned to have a bigger role this year, don’t you think Howie would love to get those 4mil off the books?

            Chip May value special teams, but I doubt we pay 4mil to our ST players

          • Richard Colton

            What’s the cap number if he gets cut? Ray Didinger keeps making the point that the drafting & emergence of Ertz made Casey superfluous. He seems expensive to be the H-back in an offense that doesn’t feature one.

            Let me ask you this Johnny – in all honesty – I’m not even talking ASJ/Ebron/Amaro. Say we steal Colt in round 7, you all that upset to see Casey go?

          • cliff henny

            he carries 4m cap hit, 2m guaranteed salary. but good old Howie put off-set language in contract, so if cut only pay the difference up to 2m when he’s picked up by another team. though, longer they keep him, less likely think it’ll be.

          • NickS1

            Casey’s here this year. Guaranteed.

          • GEAGLE

            Me thinking Casey Will be here has NOTHNG to with whether I’d be happy or upset to see him gone, it’s not what I want, it’s what I’m expecting to happen. And yes, I still think Casey would be here if we add a long shot glorified WR like Lyerla..NOW IF We add an Hback like Amaro, Casey is gone. I really won’t be heartbroken if Casey isn’t here, I just know he is a better players than Philly has seen so far and I expect that to have flashed in practice, and not cutting him, ontop of giving him a bigger role during the important part of the season makes me think we have plans for him…when you cut Desean and replace him with Maclin who has injury concerns and whatever rookie we are going to draft! that says to me that we will see plenty of two back sets and multiple TE sets this year, and until they add an Hback, why would they cut Casey? They obviously value his Hback ability, or we wouldn’t have signed one to begin with…just because we didn’t see it in year one, when we were laying a foundation and were pretty basic on both sides of the ball, doesn’t mean we won’t do more of it in 2014….we are building a program, wouldn’t put too much stock into what you saw last year, because I think plenty of more change is on the way, before we settle into what we will really be under chip

          • Tom w

            Colt is much much more than a glorified wr. Go back and watch any of his games and it’s fairly obvious he brings a lot more to the table then a glorified wr like amaro and has similar upside to Ebron and asf. Kid has deep seam speed to beat linebackers, height to dominate safeties in the red zone, power to break tackles and toughness to run the ball. Chip used him like a running back. Chip knows him better than anyone. If he had no issues and was a redshirt soph he would be a second round pick.

          • GEAGLE

            Sorry bud, I’m fully aware of colts game, but he ain’t blocking anyone at 240lb…be years before he puts his bruising blocking to use at the NFL level

          • anon

            like saying DJ2 will be a key receiver for us this year.

          • Joe from Easton

            I disagree. DJ2 isn’t getting paid what Casey is getting paid and doesn’t play the specialized role that Casey was brought in for.

          • Will

            Colt has character issues doubt we draft him…

          • GEAGLE

            What about Braman’s character issues?

          • Will

            Braman made one poor choice Colt is different…be surprised if they draft him…

          • JosephR2225

            After cutting Desean, I would love to see the Eagles draft a white, cokehead TE who quit on his team last year, just to see Richard Sherman’s head explode.

          • NickS1

            I can dig it.

          • Tom w

            7th or udfas he would be the steal of the draft. Kid needs structure. Chip has a history of giving various players second chances.

          • Andy124

            Thing about that is IF we do draft him, Chip is vouching for him. Thinks he has what it takes to conquer his demons and succeed. I’ll be very excited if we draft him, because I’m willing to trust Chip on that, and I’m not an “In-Chip-We-Trust” guy.

          • anon

            It’s a good thing vick left or else casey would have never seen the field.

          • Clamdigger

            Ertz played in-line quite a bit, so I wouldn’t go as far as calling him a WR, but he was definitely a receiving TE.

          • GEAGLE

            You OBVIOUSLY didn’t know Casey’s game before, or trust me, you would NOT think we saw the best he has to offer yet

          • Joe L

            I think he’s a 29 year old H-back with overrated athleticism.

          • GEAGLE

            Ok

          • Richard Colton

            I was one of the guys excited when we signed Casey. We just didn’t get that much from him. I hope that means (like Vick said) its because Ertz is destined for stardom.

          • guest

            His athleticism isn’t overrated. He was drafted to play baseball. He was a stud at Rice. But he’s on the roster because they need someone that can play FB and Chip doesn’t want to carry a FB. As for the $4 million….I dont think it will stay at that number for much longer.

            The only one overrating his skills is geagle. But thats only because he knew about him before. HE KNEW!!!

          • Joe L

            He’s an ok athlete. Playing baseball doesn’t automatically make you Bo Jackson.

          • Richard Colton

            Bo knows…2 TE sets

          • guest

            OBVIOUSLY. He was such a stud in Houston. All those games he started for them…. oh wait. He didn’t start for them. He was often their third TE. Except for 2011 (and 2012?) when he wasn’t even a TE…he was listed as a FB.

            Casey’s “game” is entirely theoretical. He’s versatile. Jack of all trades master of none. His best attribute is special teams. Just as it was when I followed him in Houston. Stud at Rice, but there was a reason he was just a 5th round pick. The 5th round is where you add projects and guys that will be special teams studs.

            Dude’s not a gamebreaker. He’s a piece. One that is very easily replaceable. Why is he still making $4million? Because the Eagles aren’t up against the cap. I’m sure they’re going to approach him about reworking that soon. Or maybe Celek isn’t long for Philadelphia (although I’d rather have Celek than Casey any day…one being a proven TE and the other being a proven roster filler)

      • Token

        Casey will likely be cut after the draft. My guess is they want to be 3 TE deep. So it makes no sense to cut him now. They dont want to absolutely need a TE in the draft. But Im pretty sure they will get one. Which then makes Casey expendable and hes gone.

        Geagle is trust trying to toot his horn because he told us last season Casey would be a STUD. And as you know he was very far from that. This is just one of the ways Geagle trys to save face. Notice the sayings like “we havent seen half his ability” and so on. Guy has a tough time admitting when hes wrong.

        In real life what happened is they signed Casey not knowing they would have Ertz be available to them in the 2nd. They wanted to make sure they had 2 TEs before the draft. Picking Ertz pushed Casey down the depth chart. When someone is making 4 mil and cant see the field its not a good indicator of his ability.

        • JofreyRice

          Yeah, Casey’s been a bad signing. I don’t think they brought him in to be a “wham” blocker and ST’s player. It’s tough to write him off, because he really hasn’t even been given a shot, but that in itself might say something about what they’re seeing from him.

          I’d like to see them add another TE. Celek’s probably gone after this year. I’ll be curious to see who they choose to go after. Do they look for a guy with a similar game to Celek–someone like Colorado State’s Crockett Gilmore, to keep the current dynamic Ertz/Celek have, or do they trade off some of the blocking to get more athletic by adding Lyerla/Jace Amaro/ASJ? Or do they go heavier and add a huge physical specimen like Niklas to use inline and in the seam, with Ertz running the routes as the move TE?

          I know it’s been said before, but this draft is just so ridiculously deep. It’s going to be tough to disappoint me. There are like at least 10 guys I’d be totally happy with in round one, and depth at a lot of spots after that.

          • anon

            Celek will retire and eagle if he wants. Casey got plenty of reps in practice, he’s a good blocker, wants to be more but isn’t which is ok.

          • JofreyRice

            Does seem like he’s a coach favorite.

          • cliff henny

            only be disappointed if leave weekend w/ 6 guys, and cb/s in rd1. even if I don’t ‘get’ pick, long as guy is athletic freak, then can think about how they made Wolff.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, CB/S wouldn’t be my first choice in round 1, but if they take Kyle Fuller, I’d be OK with it. I think that kid can play. He’s one “versatile” guy that is actually multi-talented enough to perform his roles well. I’m not super high on Ha Ha, but I think he’s better than Pryor, and I think he’s a better cover safety than former ‘Bama safety Mark Barron. I’d be OK if he ended up an Eagle.

            CB’s I’d be unhappy with: Dennard (slow, handsy), Verrett (don’t see the point in drafting a 5’10 guy if that’s the reasoning for leaving Boykin stuck in the sliot) or Roby (people infatuated with testing #’s, so-so player). and Gilbert is kind of soft for a “big” cornerback that being said, he’s probably the guy I like most after Fuller.

          • cliff henny

            hope Eags find another pick, get 4 in rds 1-3, take 2lbs and 2WRs, then do whatever they want, take 3-4 kickers for all I care.

          • eaglefansocal

            I think you might want to check out Dennard’s combine numbers again! He is not slow and he is very tough, very much a Philly type player. I don’t think we draft him, but if we do I believe you and many Philly folks will love him.

          • JofreyRice

            Jordan Matthews ran faster at the combine than Marquise Lee. I like the athletic numbers as an objective measure, to a certain extent, but you have to believe what you see on the field, first and foremost. For me, Dennard looks a lot like his cousin, Alfonzo Dennard, that went in the 7th to the Patriots. Tough, good in press, physical, kinda handsy, and somewhat limited, athletically.

            I don’t think he’s a horrible player, I just would hate to see them use the #22 pick in the draft on him. I don’t think he’s worth that, with so many other good players available.

          • aub32

            I don’t think Casey was a bad signing. Like token said, they did not know who they would get in the draft. Had we not picked up Ertz, the Casey signing might be viewed completely different. I think he will make the team but still have a limited role unless Celeck or Ertz go down.

          • Richard Colton

            tells you a lot about their draft strategy too, doesn’t it?

          • aub32

            That’s another thing that’s just so confusing about them cutting #10. Now we are almost forced to get a WR high. I could see if they already drafted a guy then said, “sorry bud we no longer need your talents at your current pay rate”, but that’s not how things went down.

          • Richard Colton

            everything about the way that situation was handled was wrong. but that’s a dead horse (crips got ‘em & Mr. Ed doesn’t snitch).

            And see, here’s the thing AUB. I wouldn’t be surprised if they took two WRs in the top three rounds. I ALSO wouldn’t be shocked if they drafted zero.

          • NickS1

            Not everything about it was wrong. Whatever got to the media was wrong, especially if it was from the team trying to create an excuse. Fact of the matter is, if you don’t want the player at his price, he won’t renegotiate to a lower $ deal for you or other teams, and no one wants to give up anything for a 10mil receiver who’s not worth 10, you cut him. The last part is exactly what happens to a lot of players who are slated to earn that kind of money, especially if the team feels it can get the production elsewhere for less.

          • Richard Colton

            you’re assuming that’s why he was cut. be nice to get a straight Larry Brown-esque answer from the team on this one.

          • NickS1

            What part was assumption? Reports were there that he was on the trade block, no one bit. Reports were there that he didn’t want to restructure to facilitate trade, which helped cause no one to bite. Tack on Chip and him not getting along which made him expendable in the first place, and there you have it. I know it seems too simple, and that’s because it completely ignores the NJ.com and CBS.com reports from nobodies. Those stories were irrelevant. Chip and DJ didn’t get along and he made more than he was worth. Lethal combination for player security, espeically a player with no guaranteed money left.

          • Richard Colton

            here’s what I think (because no one knows): DeSean wasn’t going to be on the team this year at any number. The NJ.com story was the nail in the coffin to trying to trade him.

          • NickS1

            It’s possible. We can argue it all day. I don’t think it was the nail. Everything in that story was known by the Eagles. I think it was to create diversion from the fact that they couldn’t trade him, which is what I think was wrong. I know CJ2K isn’t the best comparison, but it’s not like the Titans needed cover for releasing a RB that’s never had less than 1k yards in a season. Dude’s one of the few backs in history to have 1k or more in each of his first 5 seasons, yet they just released him. Why? Because no one’s giving you picks in a loaded draft for 10mil in salary. Skill positions are becoming devalued.

          • Richard Colton

            Known by the Eagles, but once it became public knowledge and the other teams knew, they knew they weren’t getting squat for him and cut bait.

            I think. Don’t know. Can’t prove.

            I hear you with CJ – but (like you said) apples to oranges. You’re talking about a position that isn’t 1st round worthy, and where the guys are liable to be finished at 27.

            Anyway, I’ll concede the point…even if not everything they did was wrong, they still F’ed it up enough.

          • aub32

            I know you said it, but that really is a bad comparison. Some GMs don’t believe in paying any RB period. I don’t think skill players are being devalued. There’s just so much hype around this draft. Also, Jackson was probably the best skill player available this offseason, and he didn’t become available until after most of the big money was spent.

          • NickS1

            And that’s fair, but the elephant is still in the room even if he had been available: Why in the hell are they doing it? There’s still likely a market for him outside of the Redskins, but to extent will never be known.

          • Andy124

            What do you mean no one know? That’s nonsense, remember? Adam G said so. Repeatedly. That makes it true.

          • aub32

            It was in all caps. So it must have been true.

          • Andy124

            DESEAN JACCSON DOESN’T PLAY HARD AND HAS LOST A STEP BUT AT LEAST HE’S A GREAT RAPPER.

            It’s in all caps. Deal with it.

          • Richard Colton

            yep. you went there. No comeback.

          • Richard Colton

            All caps is a powerful argument

          • Andy124

            And severly under-utilized. Can you imagine how much time would be saved if we just went all-caps? I think Shield should start writing his articles in all caps.

          • NickS1

            I know you’re thinking it “forces” us to take one early, but what if we were going to anyway b/c of BPA or for some reason we targeted one Chip loved and our draft assets dictated we acted a few picks sooner than than our board dictated? My point is that I think you’re saying that; Cutting DJ + Drafting WR early (rd 1/2) = Forced Move, when it’s entirely possible that simply Drafting WR early = BPA or Targeted Player, regardless of the Jackson decision. (Yes, I know we’ve adopted the BPA strategy, but that strategy works best when you have assets, which we currently lack.)

          • aub32

            That’s a possibility, but it’s really hard to have a guy targeted at 22. Now if we were drafting in the top 10, then I’d be right there with you. Now if you are telling me that Chip sees 8 WRs that can be had in the first round that can all bring more to the table then DeSean, I strongly disagree based on plenty of past draft history.

          • NickS1

            If you’re going to compare everyone to DeSean, you’re always going to be miserable about it because it’s an unfair comparison until the rookie WR has experience in the NFL. Point is, cutting DJ doesn’t equate to forcing a WR early. There’s many different scenarios where we would take a WR with our 1st or 2nd rd pick. Chip loves weapons, preferably phyical ones, who are versatile and buy into his way of doing things.

          • Adam G

            Considering the money he was paid, by the face of it, it was a bad signing. The performance/dollar so far is horrendous.

          • aub32

            That’s using purely hindsight. That doesn’t make the signing bad when it was made. Say we draft a safety in the 2nd round, and he and Wolff put on a monster showing and beat out Jenkins (very unlikely scenario) Does that make Jenkins a bad signing? No. Casey was signed to be a good #2. At the time Ertz was not on the team. Nor did I even see people mentioning he was on the Eagles radar. So the signing was good but just had an unforeseen outcome.

          • Adam G

            That’s really stretching it. Everything is based on results/hindsight. By definition it was bad. Maybe the thought process was good, but the results were not.

          • Andy124

            This conversation isn’t even about James Casey anymore, it’s about how to evaluate FO decisions, and we’re in pretty stark disagreement.

          • Adam G

            Pretty sure its evaluating any decision. When doing so you have to look at all possibilities/probabilities. If they DON’T draft Ertz they gave a basically unproven 2nd TE pretty big money for a TE. Look at the guy who was playing ahead of him in Houston. Just got a 1 year 1 mil contract to be the 2nd TE in Baltimore.

          • Richard Colton

            There was a guy who used to post here a lot who made the same argument about Casey. You’re correct it that he wasn’t an offensive dynamo in Texas. He was just such a versatile player. Exactly the kind of guy Chip seems to like. He just got Walley Piped.

          • Adam G

            Pretty hard to be Walley Pipped when you are signed to be the 2nd TE. Like I said before, there were a ton of guys they could’ve signed for that money that would’ve contributed so muchmore

          • Richard Colton

            for instance?

          • aub32

            Names? Please give us some names. You continue to talk about these tons of players that could have done something. Yet you have yet to mention a single name.

          • Adam G

            How about Brent Grimes to start. Maybe a few mil more total for Sean Smith or Keenan Lewis. How about Glover Quin. All those guys would’ve contributed a lot more. Think we could’ve used more help in the secondary instead of a TE who never saw the field, although I’m no expert.

          • aub32

            Didn’t we pay more for CW than what Sean Smith made? Wasn’t Grimes coming off of a major injury that teams weren’t sure how he would return from? Even with Casey, weren’t we well over 10M under the cap? So isn’t it more likely that the team didn’t have interest in those guys rather than signing Casey didn’t leave them enough room to afford them?
            ….
            I think you lost this argument. Now if you want to argue that the team could have done better scouting and signed better FAs, that’s a different argument. If you want to argue the Eagles should have taken a risk in signing Grimes instead of Phillips, that’s a different argument. However, I think I have more than laid rest to your argument that the money spent on Casey hindered us from signing other players. Thanks. That was fun.

          • JofreyRice

            “Matt Barkley will have more success and impact than Nick Foles, that’s all he has to have at this point. He is not the perfect compliment for Chip Kelly’s offense. Neither is Foles, that’s why Foles is out of Phila at the end of the year. He can’t run this offense.

            No, franchise QBs outside the 1rd are not the exception, unless you are working with a reduced sample size, Brady, and Curt Warner weren’t 1 rd selections Nor was Joe Montana ,Farve or Brees.”

          • Richard Colton

            Man I miss that guy

          • Andy124

            -1

          • Andy124

            If they DON’T draft Ertz, they signed a versatile, athletic player who you have absolutely no idea what he could do with an increased role in this offense and your arrogance is laughable if you think you do.

          • aub32

            So it’s a bad signing because Celeck and Ertz remained healthy? In that case why pay backups anything more than the minimum. Why worry about having good players for depth. They are all wastes of money now that Kelly’s sport’s science will keep every player healthy every single year.

          • Adam G

            Wait, so if you pay a backup huge money, for a backup and he doesn’t play, as long as you say, “well, he WOULD’VE been really good if he played” that makes every signing good? That’s nonsense. Before you sign a player you have to look at all possibilities. Again, the thought process was okay, at best, but the results were horrendous. How you can defend it is beyond me. If he was that good, he would’ve seen the field more, end of story. Also, he got a lot of money for a TE, on an absolute basis. Even to be the 2nd TE.

          • Richard Colton

            you’re being dishonest. if you want to say the signing wasn’t great because he didn’t see the field, OK. But “horrendous?” We signed a TE, retained a vet, and drafted one. End result was we got pretty good play from the TE position.

          • Adam G

            Yes, but that has almost zero to do with Casey and his 4 mil a year salary, which is insane for the amount of time he saw on the field. Let’s say they don’t draft Ertz, do you think paying 4 mil to the 2nd TE is smart? Do you think another 2nd TE in the league makes close to that?

          • Richard Colton

            Like JR said, its opportunity cost. The Casey deal didn’t prevent us from making another move. We’ll never know what he could have bought to this offense last year. I prefer to see that as a good problem – ’cause Ertz.

          • Adam G

            How could you say that? There is a salary cap. Maybe they could’ve gotten another player instead. That’s a blatant misallocation of resources when there is a limited resource(salary cap)

          • Richard Colton

            Were we capped out? Did we miss on a player? Pretty sure we were OK last year and this year.

          • Adam G

            Then why did they cut Desean? BECAUSE HE WAS OVERPAID.

          • Richard Colton

            that’s why they did it? I wish 24/7 would do a DeSean story so we could get to the bottom of it.

            No wait, Adam went ALL CAPS. Mystery solved.

          • Adam G

            Question, do you think if he was making 3 mil a year he would still be on the team? 4 mil? Certainly wasn’t 10 mil.

          • Richard Colton

            I don’t think he would be, but I’ll admit that I don’t know the answer for sure.

            The story about him fighting with Chip and being a locker room cancer PLUS the fact that we don’t have salary cap issues this year PLUS the fact that he was our #1 receiver leads me to believe he was cut for other reasons. But I don’t know. Neither do you.

          • aub32

            There have been plenty of “reports” that cutting DJax was not a money issue. So the only thing different, if indeed it wasn’t a money issue, is that DeSean would have been traded instead of cut if he were scheduled to make 3 or 4M.You don’t seem to be getting it. You are looking at this as if you have the exact reason for why he was cut. However, the fact that there are other players on this team that are still being overpaid is an indication that you are wrong. DJax was scheduled to make 10M. You think he’s worth 8M. That’s not much of an overpay as opposed to Casey, Herremans and Cole.

          • aub32

            Horrendous? You might want to look that word up. We are talking about the signing of a player. We aren’t talking about his production. If the reason behind the signing was good, and the results did not hurt the team in either a cap fashion or a player completely failing to do anything (which Casey did not have the opportunity to show either way) then the signing is not a bad one. You should try looking out across the league to see what a horrendous signing looks like. Look at some of the Cowboys contracts or the Raiders from 2 years ago.

          • Adam G

            Funny, hurt the cap. Was Desean hurting the cap this year? Talking about value here. Pretty sure for that same contract they could’ve gotten another player to contribute at least 10 times as much.

          • aub32

            They still could. Even with Casey’s and even DeSean’s contracts, there was nothing hindering us from going after whoever we wanted. The team chose not to. So I don’t get what point you are making. What’s the point of saving money not to spend it? Who should be getting the 4M that Casey is getting? Where is the huge value player that we signed after cutting DJax?

          • Adam G

            That’s exactly my point. Saying he didn’t hurt the cap is not justification because Desean was cut, and he certainly didn’t hurt the cap.

          • aub32

            We don’t know why DeSean was cut though. You think you know, but you really don’t. We all have the reasons we formed based on half truths and anonymous quotes. None of us know the real reason. Again you haven’t addressed the fact that no one was signed after we released DJax. We had plenty of money in FA but didn’t pursue any big money players. Hell we didn’t even bring in a lot of mid level guys. So doesn’t that put a pretty sizable hole in your “they needed that money to go elsewhere theory”. Unless you are suggesting that they cut DeSean on principle because they didn’t want to overpay anyone and will cut every player who is overpaid.

          • Adam G

            Which is exactly a reason. This “we will never know” nonsense is just that, nonsense. If he was making less money he would still be on the team. Maybe they are using the money saved for next year when there are more free agents, who knows. But the bottom line is, dude didn’t see the field enough to justify even half of his salary, maybe even 1/3.

          • JofreyRice

            You definitely get points for consistency.

          • Adam G

            IDK if that’s a good or bad thing.

          • JofreyRice

            When I look at it from a cost versus production standpoint, I just can’t see it as anything but bad. He didn’t play 10 offensive snaps in a game until week 13, and wasn’t doing anything to distinguish himself on special teams, either. He played about 30 more snaps on offense than Jeff Maehl.

            He saw more action when they were running the ball against bad run defenses, like Chicago and Dallas, sure. But when they were attacking teams through the air, they thought Jason Avant was a better option in the passing game. With Ertz lining up in the slot about as often as not, I don’t think Kelly would have had any problem putting 3 TEs on the field if he thought it presented the best opportunity to score points.

          • Andy124

            I don’t think that’s a very good way to evaluate that signing. We don’t know what he would have done if Ertz wasn’t on the roster, and Ertz wasn’t on the roster at the time of the signing.

            As it is, he didn’t hurt the team and his salary didn’t prevent us from doing anything. If someone gets injured and he fills in poorly, we can call it a bad signing.

          • JofreyRice

            So we should assume that Kelly just shelved a talented player in favor of Jeff Maehl? Doesn’t jibe with his rep of making the most out of the talent available. I think we can apply Occam’s razor here. If Casey didn’t see the field, it’s because Kelly thought other formations featuring other players gave the team a better opportunity to score points.

          • Adam G

            Exactly. I don’t know why people want to defend this signing. It was a mistake, you can’t have every signing be a good one.

          • Richard Colton

            turns out the signing was probably unnecessary – if that’s the same as bad for you, then fine.

            I’d equate it with Matt Flynn to the Seahawks.

          • Adam G

            Saying they wouldn’t have used that money on another player really doesn’t make sense. Howie has talked about the allocation of the salary cap before. There were a lot of guys that fell in that range that could’ve helped the Eagles especially on defense.

          • Richard Colton

            feel free to name one

            you’ve backed yourself into a corner here. pull the ripcord.

          • Adam G

            Read my comment below, let me know if you have a problem with those guys.

          • Richard Colton

            Wow. Real easy when you can play the season first. Stopped reading when I got to Smith – he was never in the Eagles plans.

          • Adam G

            How do you know? You friends with Smith’s agent? That’s what we are doing btw. Looking at a decision and its results. I said they could’ve gotten other guys in that range that would help them. Who would you have rather signed, Casey or Glover Quin? How about Keenan Lewis? Maybe they would’ve spent more money on secondary instead of signing Chung.

          • Richard Colton

            http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2013/03/12/eagles-not-in-on-revis-smith-or-goldson/

            Here’s how I knew – McManus reported it. I understand your argument. Player X didn’t play therefore we could have used his salary to get a more expensive free agent. It’s just your logic that’s flawed. If the Eagles had wanted any of those players, nothing about their cap position prevented it.

          • aub32

            He’s playing Madden GM with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

          • Adam G

            But how do you know they wouldn’t have gone after other players instead of wasting that money? You don’t. And lets go back to the actual signing. Please name me one other 2nd TE who makes as much as Casey. And this assumes we don’t draft Ertz.

          • aub32

            Kelly clearly wants 2 TEs. Without Ertz, I am sure we all agree that Casey gets much more playing time. Like the rest of the offense it wouldn’t be too much of a stretch to say Casey puts up career numbers. Those numbers may have justified his pay. I get your argument for saying Casey was overpaid based on the amount #2 TEs make. Though I would argue that very few teams value their #2 TE as a valuable weapon. NE and DEN are two of the best at using 2 TEs, and look how much they paid their guys (I am referring to Gronk and Hernandez)

          • Adam G

            Hernandez to me, more so than other 2nd TE’s, skirted that WR distinction. Who is Denver’s 2nd TE? All I’m saying is that 4 mil a year was an overpay even if Ertz isn’t drafted. That’s a ton of money for a guy who performed to the level he did in Houston, so you are basically paying for potential. And somebody who wouldn’t even be on the field THAT much.

          • aub32

            The Broncos #3 TE, Joel Dreessen , is making just under 3M. There’s nothing wrong with paying potential. Teams do it all the time. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t.

          • Adam G

            Right, and when it doesn’t, its a fail, just like if a guy outplays his expectation, like Barwin, its a success. Its how you define success and failure. I really don’t see why this is even arguable. And he is going to restructure that contract, btw.

          • aub32

            So what happens when a guy does exactly what was expected? We disagree on how black and white things are. Look at the Seahawks. They paid 10M for Flynn. He was beat out by Wilson. Does that make getting Flynn a bad move? No. They had nothing else. We had no TE who Kelly saw the potential he saw in Casey. So we got Casey. Then we luckily were able to get Ertz. However, you are still ignoring the depth aspect. What if Ertz or Celeck had gone down?

          • Adam G

            Your Flynn example couldn’t have been worse. He has proven to be downright pathetic, so the signing was awful. Just because they drafted Wilson doesn’t make that signing ok. He would’ve been terrible for them just like he was terrible for every other team he signed for. Your base logic is just off. If a guy does as expected that’s a solid signing. Paying 4 mil for a 2nd TE is a reach, especially to a guy who performed as little as he did before the signing. So your example of Flynn would mean every signing in an area of need is good, which makes no sense.

          • peteike

            Im with Adam on this one, just call it what is is, not the best signing regardless of what else could have been. Then again Ive only read like half these posts on this too long a back n forth. God, this draft cant come soon enough, Im bored, I dont think Im alone on that

          • NickS1

            Not to jump into such a compelling conversation so late in the game after having watched from the sidelines, but more often than not, addressing what is considered an area of need is “good”, at least at the time. Whether or not the move pans out isn’t solely determined by the player, either, which is why this isn’t black and white. Coaching, scheme, fit, and believe it or not, later additions, have a lot to do with determining the success/failure of a signing.

          • Adam G

            But not guaranteed to be good is it? Did you look at the example of Matt Flynn? I think he could be biggest free agent bust of all time, or close to it and he argued it was a good signing because Russell Wilson turned out great. If that isn’t flawed logic, I don’t know what is.

          • NickS1

            It’s not guaranteed to be good going forward, because of all the factors I listed, plus more I probably forgot, such as: what else was on the market, cap space available.. But at the time of the Flynn signing it wasn’t bad, just like Casey. They addressed an area of need given what was on their roster, and they did with a guy who considered arguably the best on the market despite his limited action (Flynn). It’s not like they planned on drafting Wilson when they did it, just like we didn’t plan on drafting Ertz. It didn’t exactly not work out for them. What am I going to do, fault the FO for finding a stud in the draft? No. So why should people continue to bash our FO for the Casey deal? What, because they got lucky and fell into a stud TE in the draft? Not exactly a problem, in my opinion, especially when they didn’t think he’d still be there at 35. Given that the FO got a good TE in FA (based upon eval of their talent evaluators, who likely know more than us, by just a little), and got an even better TE in the draft, I’d say it’s a pretty damn good problem we have when it comes to TE. Maybe we draft another one, keep 4 TEs, and cut ties with one of our awful WRs like DJ2.

          • Adam G

            I really can’t believe that anybody would ever defend the signing of Matt Flynn. Again, it had nothing to do with drafting a stud QB. He was arguably the worst signing in the history of Free Agency. How you can defend that is beyond me. They were literally the opposite of right about him. He can’t even get a look at backup QB these days.

          • NickS1

            Weird, because he just signed as a backup. I know you don’t like Matt Flynn, I’m no fan either, but if you use the google to search Matt Flynn free agency 2012, you’ll notice that he was one of the, if not the, most coveted QB FA in 2012. Hate it all you want, and don’t even factor in RW being drafted, it doesn’t make it a bad signing at the time. Especially since he was paid a 3yr deal averaging less than 9/yr to be a starting QB.

          • Adam G

            I’m sorry I didn’t keep up on his latest signing, but again, just because he was ranked as the top QB doesn’t mean anything. Name a worse FA signing ever? You can’t. You’re argument is nothing short of preposterous. Please think again about this then get back to me. You’re arguing that the worst signing of all time in free agency was a good signing.

          • NickS1

            You think that was the worst FA signing ever? Aren’t you an Eagles fan? No thinking necessary. Wait for it…… wait for it….. Nnamdi is the worst FA signing ever! I know you love to argue and think you’re smarter than everyone, but dude, you lost this one. There will be more chances for you, don’t worry.

          • Adam G

            You do understand that he made the pro bowl the first year he was on the team, right? They paid Flynn an awful amount of money to trade him for a 5th rounder.

          • NickS1

            Really? He did? Guess what, I used that google thing you told me about. It showed this really helpful site, Pro Football Reference, not sure if you’ve heard of it, and it doesn’t mention anything about a pro bowl in 2011. Or 2012, the year before he was cut. Well worth the 25mil guaranteed.

          • Richard Colton

            upvoting Occam’s Razor. Kelly was right – his formations scored lots of points. Also telling that Casey PT didn’t really change with Vick or Foles at QB.

          • JofreyRice

            Right. Casey’s PT changed based on the opposing team’s run defense. They saw him as a capable blocker in the backfield. That’s fine, but I’m sticking with my original point that signing him to a 4 million dollar contract to throw wham blocks and play ST’s was a bad move.

          • Richard Colton

            So the question is – will he be on the team June 1st?

          • JofreyRice

            oh gee, I dunno. I’ve been horrible at predicting what they’ll do this offseason. I thought for sure they’d renegotiate DeMeco down from his number, never thought they’d extend Jason Peters to another big payday, couldn’t imagine trading away a 5th rounder for a 30+ year old scatback, and still have a hard time accepting they released a 27 year old multi-probowler for nothing in return.

            I’ll take a position, though and say, no. Casey’s gone. I think Celek’s here no matter what, and they’ll add one of these talented TEs in a few weeks.

          • anon

            Everyone’s been terrible about making FO predictions — except GEAGLE.
            It’s still hard to tell exactly what Kelly wants / needs. The fact that we went after Spiller took me by surprise.

          • Andy124

            No, I just don’t think he was serious in his 3 TE answer when he gave it, and since Casey was our 3rd best TE, he didn’t get to see the field very often. Maehl doesn’t play TE, so I don’t see that as particularly relevant.

          • aub32

            Putting Casey on the field in a 3 TE set would have meant taking Jackson or Cooper off the field. Neither Celeck nor Ertz were as good as Jackson last year. So what since would it have made for Jackson to give up snaps to Casey. Cooper also had a good year. So I could make the same case. Benching Casey, the #3 TE behind 2 good TEs, doesn’t mean he’s a bum. That just means there was a lag jam at the position due to us drafting Ertz. However, none of us knew we would have Ertz on the team at the time Casey was signed.

          • JofreyRice

            Agreed you’re not taking Desean off the field to see what Casey’s got, but who was Cooper before Kelly decided he could be the #2 WR when Maclin went down? If you have a talented offensive playmaker in Casey, which is what you paid for in free agency, I think you find a way to get him on the field. Especially Kelly.

            If you don’t have that, then you didn’t get what you paid for. Like I said, he barely edged out Jeff Maehl, so it wasn’t a matter of taking snaps away from Jackson. We see how conscious the org is about $$$ vs. production, by their own metric Casey’s a bad signing.

          • aub32

            There’s difference between WR and TE. Cooper may not have been seen as a stud but he was the #2 WR. Casey was the #3 TE. In what offense is the #3 TE going to see more snaps than the #3 WR, let alone the #2 WR? Celeck was always going to start over Casey. Ertz has more potential than Casey. So he sat behind two players that are 2 of the better TEs in the league. That does not make him a scrub.

          • Richard Colton

            Jimmy Graham died a little inside when he read your post.

          • aub32

            Graham fits into a new position that started surfacing a couple years ago, playmaker. These are players who surpass their position. Graham and Gronk are beasts and should not be grouped with other TEs because the gap between them and everyone else (outside of Ertz) is the size of a chasm. This goes for players like JJ Watt, Revis, and AD as well.

          • Richard Colton

            another pet peeve – calling Adrian Peterson “AP” – already taken by the Associated Press

          • aub32

            Plus his nickname (AD for All Day) is so cool. In today’s NFL where players nicknames are mostly abbreviations of their name, why do people insist on not using such a great nickname.

          • Richard Colton

            I’m racking my brain for a better active NFL nickname

            Tom Brady (GLA – greatest living American) is Sportscenter fake
            Gronk! – too easy
            Andy Daulton – not sure if Red Rifle is is nickname, but it should be

            Nope. Ever since Weapon X and the Nigerian Nightmare retired, AD is the best we have.

          • aub32

            My favorite would probably be the Kraken for Greg Hardy or the Legion of Boom if we are talking about a group. Whatever happened to group nicknames? Man I wish that would come back. Maybe our O line could earn some nickname based on their freakish athleticism.

          • Richard Colton

            There’s a new thread about Calvin Pryor where McManus calls him the “Louisville Slugger” – I’m not a fan of these safeties at #22, but damn that’s a cool nickname.

          • aub32

            We can only hope that Wolff becomes one of the best safeties in the league. There are many possibilities with him.

          • peteike

            cmon guys, the ginger hammer for the commish.

          • Richard Colton

            commissioners don’t get nicknames unless they’re played by Michael Chiklis. Although Adam Silver deserves one – he looks like an AIDS patient.

          • JofreyRice

            When Ertz plays half his snaps from the slot, the line becomes a lot more blurred. You have TE’s now claiming they are wide receivers, based on their usage.

            Particularly, in an offense where you’re heavily invested in the TE position, and are flush with talented players, the #3 TE could see more snaps than a #3 WR that falls down immediately after the catch, or the #4 WR that is essentially just a body (Maehl). The Patriots gave ~300 snaps to their 3rd and 4th TE in 2012, about what they gave to Julian Edelman.

            And Casey was never supposed to be a pure TE, anyway, he was supposed to be a movable matchup that could play the “F” TE–in the Joe Gibbs terminology–H-Back role. Sometimes out of the backfield, sometimes in the slot.

            I don’t understand the argument that it’s unfair to judge this move in hindsight, as I never understand that argument. How else should one judge a move, based on the exuberance at the time of the signing? If Casey’s lack of potential was so obvious, why did they pay him so handsomely to sit around and not play?

          • Richard Colton

            here’s how I look at it JR, and let’s step away from the Casey thing because its getting blurry for me at this point.

            When something fails, the important question is “why?”. I’ll never fault the FO over Jerome McDougle but I’ll kill them over Mike Mamula. One was a systems failure, the other wasn’t. Did the Casey signing work out? No. I’m not sure I fault the approach.

          • Adam G

            I definitely agree with that, although barring outside factors like McDougles horrible luck, results determine success even if thought process was ok. Even looking at the signing at the time and how the free agent market shook out last year, it was an overpay.

          • Token

            “Batting average” gone wrong.

          • peteike

            How are you holding up after Sundays episode, dont drink the wine or eat the cake.

    • Kev_H

      Yes. That’s what makes him a good coach. I’m not sure that “tweak” is the correct word (even though he used it himself). In other interviews he suggested that they start from scratch each year putting things together with the entire offensive coaching group. I know for a fact that every opponent defense worked at stopping the Oregon offense last year and have heard some attribute Kelly’s success to surprising them. The same guys are working to stop last year’s Eagles offense right now. They don’t get it. There are some core principles (flexibility, options, and the option to speed it up at any time), but everything else seems to be up for alteration on a week-to-week basis.

      • Maggie

        I like your comment , “They don’t get it”. The concept that Chip Kelly has one offense and it will never change is mind-boggling! The people who suggest this must have their own minds locked up tight.

      • Bracey

        Was trying to explain this to a Cowboys fan at work… Got nowhere of course.
        Well said

  • NickS1

    It’s so hard to not love a coach who views the offseason like Christmas when he gets new toys to play with and figures out how to use them. I know peope are still upset about DeSean, but it’s been time to put that aside, at least for now. If you want to pull that card out halfway through the season if we’re 2-6 and say DeSean would have made us 6-2, go nuts. But damn, it’s just hard not to embrace his excitement and trust that he’ll figure it out.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Couldn’t have been said better, how I’ve approached it. He’s gone, whatever, what’s done is done, we shall see the apparent damage. Its hard to lose optimism for the season because of all this excitement and what not

    • tommy_the_k

      Is it just me, or does Chip’s ego look a little bit bigger in that photo?

      • NickS1

        Wait, you can actually SEE his ego?!?!

        • Johnny Domino

          You can see it from space, if you know where to look.

    • Mark F

      What makes me excited is seeing solid coaching with the ability to adapt in-game to what is actually happening on the field. That, combined with the expected year 1 to year 2 jump in the grasp of the offensive scheme by the players, makes me as excited to see this upcoming season as I think I’ve ever been. Training camp can’t come soon enough, this year!

  • Joe Thomas

    Until Chip Kelly comes out and says it, it is best to assume his ego will decide what and how he tweaks.

    • ray jay

      Completely shameless attempt at force fitting the word “ego” into your comment.

      • Joe Thomas

        It was more making fun of that article

    • PaoliBulldog

      “Leggo my ego!”

      — Chip Kelly

    • Maggie

      Gee, and here I actually thought the whole personnel department and coaching staff were working together for months to create a draft board and scout potential Eagles. NOW you’re telling me the entire team is just one person throwing darts at balloons?

  • PaoliBulldog

    I’m an anecdotal analyst and saw Matthews exactly once last year. But he impressed the hell out of me. Good size, good hands, good speed. If the Eagles grab him in round two, I’ll be delighted.

  • Andy124

    Can’t wait!!!
    Tweaks I’m hoping for or that I think are likley:

    *More blur speed: With most of the offense in their second year in the system, they should be able to execute that much quicker.
    *More WR screens: I think with a bigger WR replacing DJ, all the WRs will be good blockers, so the target will be less predictable and the plays will be more effective
    *More TEs. This one is all about Ertz. I think he’ll be our #1 TE by the end of the year and surpass 800 yards receiving, with Celek being close to the same as last year.
    *More involvement from the backup RBs: We’ve been saying that for years. Someday it will happen.
    *More focus on the intermediate attack + RAC: I think we’ll still be top 3rd in the league in terms of deep success, but I expecthope that the altered receiving corps will lead to a greater reliance on higher percentage plays and pick up your huge plays via RAC.
    *Better tackle play: LJ will be in his second year in the league and JP will be in his second year back from Achilles surgery, they should both be significantly better. Not really a tweak, but I wanted to say it.

    • anon

      I actually think deep plays hurt us last year — agree more intermediate plays are better.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I like the idea of using our size, especially if we get say a Jordan Mathews to add to the mix, to our advantage and utilizing more RAC. I just think being bigger, moving faster & more RAC will wear down defenses more. Throw in some mismatches and new Chip wrinkles and I think we become even more dangerous than last year.

      • Richard Colton

        fewer FG attempts too. mostly b/c of who’s kicking.

        • Andy124

          Still thinking we have at least a 50% shot at an upgrade there, even if that upgrade is in the form of ‘that guy’ getting better.

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            Well he really couldn’t get a lot worse…

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            boy, if there’s one player in the league i hope gets busted for juicing…..at least it would show he’s trying to get better

          • Andy124

            lol

  • borrowedbreath

    I did not realize that #10 was only responsible for 25 of the 80 pass plays that went 20 yards or more. I would have guessed much higher. I guess that’s because his plays went 20+++.

    • Maggie

      Change of subject. Great screen name. Curious to know it’s meaning. Do you do CPR? Scuba dive and share a mouthpiece? Have a near-death experience?

      • borrowedbreath

        Hey, Maggie. Great question. I used to write poetry. And I have a blog by the same name. I’ve just used it as a screen name ever since. My life has been redeemed by Jesus Christ, and I believe that everything I have is on loan as a gift from Him. Hence, borrowed breath. :)

        • Maggie

          Understand. I look at life in a somewhat similar fashion. We don’t really “own” anything, even gifts. I’ll look for your blog.

        • EaglesFanInPhx

          Love it!

  • Eagles1018

    In Chip we trust. I have all the faith in the world with Chip running the offense. And good as Billy Davis was for the defense, I just don’t know if the draft is gonna give them that impact guy to be a stronger piece to their success. I don’t think of Seattle as the standard for success despite a Super Bowl win. That is their blueprint. But, there are too many glaring holes for our defense. We should be competitive but going all the way is a stretch for 2014. I’m hoping for a deeper playoff run and maybe some luck once we get there

    • Rahkem

      Im with you brother, i want us to build to win playing CHIP KELLY football , let pete carrolls team do their own thing. We need a defense with stamina , guys who are consistent and can force turnovers. I dont expect a shutdown defense that forces a ton of 3 and outs.

  • EaglefaninAZ

    “If we introduce new concepts or schemes, it was based on personnel,” Kelly said.
    I could read this a thousand times and smile through each reading. It’s still that refreshing for me as an Eagles fan.

    • Token

      Everytime I see you post I think of how its in the 70’s even in northern AZ while my dumbass sits here in PA where its back in the 30’s and 40’s in mid April. Just horrible.

      • peteike

        Im in CO where everyone assumes it snows too much, in reality we get 300 days of sun, great weather. Even 60 degree days mid winter. It just snowed Sunday afters 70s on Sat, now its supposed to snow again tonight. Worst winter ever….everywhere

        • Token

          Yea two misconceptions…..That AZ is all desert and that CO is a cold snowy wasteland.

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            was 99 degrees here a few days ago… it’s a rough life but someone has to do it.

          • Token

            If/When I move out there im eyeing Prescott. But Phoenix is pretty tempting. Having said that, ive yet to even visit the state so I wont know until i get out there what its like. I hear good things tho.

          • Rambler

            I live in Tempe and love it. But I prefer bigger cities (being from the Philly area and all). Prescott is nice, and it is cooler weather there. Just too small town-ish for me. Be sure to visit Sedona when you get out here… its beautiful.

          • EaglefaninAZ

            I’m about 12 miles south of Sedona. Been here 11 years and still thrilled I get to see it all the time. Good stuff.

          • Token

            Whats the deal with NFL game times out there? It isnt tape delayed is it? Does it just start at 10am for a 1pm EST game? That would take a bit of getting used to I guess.

          • Rambler

            Yep they start in the morning, not taped delayed. It definitely is different, but I have been out here for a long time and quite like it. Really enjoy waking up early Sunday morning, getting in a quick workout, setting my fantasy lineups, and football is on at 10AM. Once the rest of the country “Falls back” for daylight savings though, Arizona stays the same, and the games start at 11AM. Lots of sport bars out here that open for breakfast during football season… its a cool experience.

          • EaglefaninAZ

            Yup. I love the morning kickoffs. And not having to change the dang clocks.

          • EaglefaninAZ

            This is just me, but even after 42 years in Philly I still stay away from big city Phoenix. I get a headache every time I gotta go there. I’m definitely a high desert rat for good now.

          • Token

            Phoenix looks much more spread out than Philly. In my mind Id think it would be easier to get around in comparison. Im guessing thats not the case?

            I was also wondering the other day…. What the drive from Prescott or Sedona down to Phoenix like? I see its a pretty big elevation change. I picture some nerve wracking driving up and down.

          • EaglefaninAZ

            Just as you suspect. Blazing downhills on the way there, and lots of overheated vehicles on the way back. Lol…

        • Maggie

          Yup. I’m on the west coast of B.C. Here the crocuses are long finished, the daffodils are halfway through and the tulips are starting to bud. The first round of prunus (cherry) trees are almost finished, the magnolias are halfway through, and the second round of prunus (plum) trees will start blooming soon. Half the roads in the Metro area are “under construction”. It really doesn’t rain all the time here either. That’s the west coast of Canada, folks.

          • peteike

            must be gorgeous up there, one day Ill visit. That or at least the northwest states or Alaska

          • Maggie

            Just an addendum. All of the Alaska cruises start here in Vancouver! Run from April to October. The whole trip up our Inside Passage, then into Alaska’s Inside Passage is very beautiful. On a sunny day everything is blue water, with green islands; we have orcas and dolphins breaching; the huge whales go through while migrating between Hawaii and the Arctic; a third of the North American bald eagles live around here; if you like fishing, Google riversinlet.com. Sorry, I get carried away describing this corner of the world. Even when it’s rainy or foggy.
            The sunset pic is Mt. Baker in Wash. St., taken from N. Vancouver. We really are neighbours.

  • Token

    I always find it funny the players people will take up a case for. James Casey? Really?

    This is a guy that has been a nothing, a zero his entire career. And is getting paid well based on some athletic potential coaches think they can tap into. Thats basically the story.

    I know a couple people just blew the move because the Eagles threw money at him, so now you gotta kind of stick to your guns. But geesh, the guy just isnt very good.

    If hes on the team come September, especially making 4 mil, I view that as a failure of the FO.

    • Andy124

      How do you know what he can produce in this offense if given playing time? Is there somebody crappy keeping him off the field where you would say, “if he can’t beat out that guy, he must really be awful”?

      Claiming to know the unknowable is just effing embarrassing.

      • Token

        I feel like many people arent aware this guy has been in the NFL for 5 years now. Hes done nothing to this point. But I guess your thought is that the 6th year is the breakout year?

        Trust me, if the guy was showing ANYTHING in practice especially given his price tag, he would have gotten more snaps.

        • peteike

          he caught some TDs in Houston and man are those highlights just awesome. He can do it again, I know he can. Who cares about his money though, not like they ever have cap issues. Good for him for making money on potential

        • Adam G

          See what you don’t understand is that it is the once in a lifetime talent, Zach Ertz, is keeping him off the field.

        • Andy124

          Celek goes down in the preseason elevating Ertz to #1 and Casey to #2, you think you know what Casey can do?

          That’s great, because we all made fun of Dutch for “knowing” what Foles could do after just a few games, and you’ve seen a lot less of Casey than he saw of Foles.

          • Token

            Well yea, I think I do. And its not a whole lot.

            I dont believe Foles was in the league 5 years so I dont know if that comment is relevant.

            If you are still a 3rd string player after 5 years in the league the odds are you aren’t gonna be all that good.

            But hey, you keep pounding the table for James Casey.

          • Andy124

            I’m pounding the table for withholding judgement on a player you’ve hardly seen.

            Didn’t have any strong feelings about the signing because I hadn’t seen him play. I’ve still haven’t seen much of him. Certainly not enough to know how good he can be.

          • OldDocRoss

            I’m also not without hope on Casey. I thought he did a nice job down the stretch. Not an Earning His Exorbitant Salary Job, sure, but a Nice Job.

            And didn’t they have the option to cut him last month before his salary this year became guaranteed*? That they didn’t would seem to suggest the coaching staff think he’s got value.

            *I genuinely can’t remember for sure. Brief google-fu suggests I’m right but I’m too lazy to really look into it.

          • peteike

            cmon, Celek doesnt go down, never goes down, fights for every extra yard, jersey falling off Earl style. Throw in some sports science and add 5 yrs to his career. Ok that was dumb, Im bored, really really bored, hurry up draft. Arguing about the merits and potential of the 3rd string TE is what its come to.

          • NickS1

            Just to be clear… are you comparing Token to Dutch?

          • Andy124

            Pretty intense, I know. :)

          • NickS1

            Well, he definitely has his Dutch hat on, today.

      • Maggie

        C’mon Andy. Understand where you’re coming from, some people are difficult, but everybody here likes to think we are knowledgeable and just maybe the Eagles will do what we think. You posted some tweaks, or possible scenarios just a couple of hours ago yourself. ;~)

        • Andy124

          I posted hopes and guesses, not declarations and final judgements.

  • Kev_H

    I’m not a big college football fan, so in the general scheme of things I haven’t seen them all or know too much about most of the players in the draft, but I’ve seen this Jordan Matthews guy and as a WR, I think he’ll be a good NFLer. He’s not great at anything but he is real good at everything. And he’s related to Jerry Rice. There’s that.

  • myeaglescantwin

    see players like this Jordan Matthews are what makes this draft deep. No one has mentioned him in rd-1, yet he only went out and rewrote the record books for the SEC.

    #BPAregardless

  • daggolden

    Does Barney Rubble understand he has to play defense to?