Lurie: Kelly, Roseman Have a Plan

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ORLANDO, Fla. – Like Howie Roseman, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie did not want to talk about DeSean Jackson during a brief session with reporters Tuesday afternoon at the Ritz-Carlton.

Asked about the status of the wide receiver, Lurie responded: “Nothing to say.”




And that was that.

But the Eagles' owner did emphasize that he has faith in what Chip Kelly and Roseman are trying to accomplish this offseason.

"Very confident, because it’s a very focused plan," Lurie said. "It’s a very focused plan based on what the character needs to be, what the performance level needs to be, what the preparation to perform at your maximum level needs to be. It’s a very focused target system where you know the kinds of people you want to surround our current players with and who to go after and what the function in this offense is. Because it’s different than it was with Andy [Reid]. The defense is completely different.

"So I think they’re very, very focused, and it worked out really well the first year with Chip and the personnel department, Howie, figuring out what would be best. But now it’s really obvious. Because at first you’re just checking to see whether you can understand each other and communicate and maximize what you’re doing. Now we’ve had a whole year to figure out exactly the kinds of players in the draft and what their performance level needs to be, what their strengths and weaknesses can be and their character."

The Eagles added a starting safety in Malcolm Jenkins in free agency. They also added Nolan Carroll for cornerback depth and a couple special teams pieces.

Lurie shed some light on why the Eagles did not go after Jairus Byrd, making it clear that if Kelly wanted the former Oregon safety, the team would have been aggressive in signing him.

"You’ve gotta allocate your resources what you think is best to win big," Lurie said. "Nobody knows the safety who the Saints signed better than our coach. I have very big confidence in that. And if he thought that we should allocate our resources to have that player be our safety for the next several years at that level, then that’s what we would have done.

"I think you have to be very astute in how you want to allocate your resources to win big. We learned a lesson in terms of a few years ago in the offseason. Sure, we were the team that signed Nnamdi [Asomugha] and some other guys. It just doesn’t work that way. You’ve gotta be disciplined. And in this case it was great because our coach knew some of the top free-agent safeties, and they played for him and we could operate at a level that was based on his projection of reality."

We've now heard from Roseman and Lurie. Next up is Kelly. He'll be available Wednesday morning at 7:15. Birds 24/7 will have full coverage.

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  • Tikkit

    Ownership:
    Reason #124741 I’m glad I’m not a Cowboys fan.

  • Will

    Nothing to say about DJax yet Jeffrey Lurie brought up Character twice in his statements interesting…

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Well that Cooper and McCoy are such high character players.

      • ACViking

        All depends on what Lurie means by “character”.

        • RIP illa

          We all know at this point. Not DJax’s kind of character. Everybody else is all good!

        • BleedGreenJames

          Might not be a fan of gang signs

      • Joe from Easton

        Riley Cooper made a mistake and atoned for it as best as he can. Some won’t ever forgive him and rightfully so, I guess.

        Lesean McCoy doesn’t own a rap label and make $10k bets on rap battles for personal pride (that we know of). The only allegations against him were dropped due to lack of evidence.

        Neither of them toss up gang signs and have been mysteriously robbed of $200k in jewelry and cash. Getting robbed doesn’t make you a bad person by any stretch, but the circumstances around that robbery are shady to say the least.

        For the record, I want DJax back in Eagles green for ’14. I just don’t like your passive aggressive comments.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Going in on his child’s mother on Twitter wasn’t a lack of evidence situation. And b/c a situation didn’t have enough evidence “he said she said” basically, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

          As far as RIley Cooper’s mistake – I know plenty of folk who can go their whole lives and not make that kind of “mistake.” And yeah he really atoned for it. Went home to mommy and daddy for three days. That’s some atonement there.

          ” I just don’t like your passive aggressive comments.”

          And I don’t like you. So it’s all good.

          • Warhound

            Oh No! Cooper used a word you don’t like! Actions matter – not words.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Spoken like a true racist.

          • Warhound

            Actions matter – not a word used in an isolated incident. A racist, through their actions, try to keep another group(s) down in order to advance their group because of a believe in their inherent superiority. Get a clue. Oh…and I married outside my ethnicity.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            You want a cookie?

            Like racists don’t marry outside their ethnicity. lol. Clearly you’re a racist. You’re so determined to tell an ethnic minority how they are to feel about a word that has been used to subjugate and dehumanize them for centuries.

            That’s racist ish right there. I’m cool. I know who you are.

          • Warhound

            No I don’t want a cookie.
            I never told you how to feel.
            I just think that you have no right to demand “atonement” – whatever you mean by that. Was he supposed to go on an apology tour? Kiss your Big Butt?
            And, no, you have no idea who I am.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Well..Cooper is not really my type, so kissing my “Big Butt” wouldn’t really do it for me.

            With that said…you did tell me how to feel about the use of the word. That it wasn’t a big deal. That it was a word I didn’t like and I should basically STFU.

            And yes…the fact you needed to defend someone’s use of the N-word says an awful lot about who you are. Whether you realize it or not.

          • Honest_T

            Someone should tell Dan Snyder, because he’s spending millions to convince Native Americans that they should be proud of…

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Hey…right there with you…

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            always a great contributor to the community, you are.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            And so are you….

          • morgan c

            You’re just a dumb person.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Not so bright yourself.

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            you really like throwing racism around like its nothing huh when you walk through selma alabama being hosed down by firemen and your skins comes off or you have german sheppards on you just to go to school. when you actually take part in the marches and were really apart of the movement that change americ then you can preach to me about racism. till then id rather hear this from you grandma and not you as you have not lived that life. this is more of you having hatred for white people because in school you learned about the civil rights movement all the while our generation including your self thinks you have a right to use the term when you aint earn shit and dont deserve the respect your grand parents and maybe some of your parents deserve. and dont give me that you dont know how old i am crap a real adult wouldnt be throwing around the word racist as easy as you do. and nope i aint white. you are one of the biggest racist on these boards any realtion to allworld2? grow the fuck up.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            You got black friends too I bet.

            lol. smh.

          • Warhound

            Amongst my close friends: two in my lifetime. One I’ve lost track of after he relocated. The other passed away while I gave him CPR.
            Thanks for asking – it reminds me I should track down Lamott….

          • djack10

            It’s a really hateful term. It is an indicator of your true character to have the word available in any context, any time. It is not a mistake like a car accident. I’m not saying he cannot be forgiven, but it is a telltale sign of true character.

          • Warhound

            I actually don’t use the word and never have – to be honest that might be because I didn’t hear it as a kid. I just don’t think that people should be so quick to label Cooper. Sometimes people just stupidly go for the Atomic Bomb. We have no idea what the security guard had said to him. I must admit that as I middle-aged white man I can’t fully understand the power of that bigoted term but I understand that someone should not have the livelihood threatened by an utterance. BBaAS seemed to want him punished by the word police and that’s what I object to. I was brought up to believe that Americans have the right to say what they want and that even if I disagree I should fight for their right to say it.

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            here is something just because i call my neighbors white trash doesnt mean i think all white people are white trash where as if riley cooper called a security gaurd “the n word” he is calling all black people “the n word” thats what i get from you guys holding on to this riley cooper story…

      • Will

        Neither portrays the thug life or is associated with gangs. DeSean has some serious character and social issues…for a 27 year old millionaire…

  • Kd711

    “I think sometimes it takes a change in your life to understand really what needs to happen, and the course that needs to be set,” Vick said. “Maybe it’s time for a change for DeSean to help him understand the maturation process of his young NFL life and his personal life. Whatever happens, I will continue to be a great friend to him and try to help him as much as I can mentor-wise so he doesn’t have to go through any situations that may be detrimental to his life.”

    • DharmaBum

      What a nice, diplomatic way for a friend to say, “Take it from someone who’s been there, you had better wake the f**ck up, my man.”

  • Richard Colton

    Why the apparent volte-face on DeSean? Because our leadership team owner-GM-coach realized that losing our #1 WR for no compensation and no clear way to replace his production wasn’t a plan at all. I’m happy this is working out.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      They lost the trade battle. And I’m happy for it. Hopefully this is done…but I still think the situation is fluid. I have a hard time believing they are gonna pay him 10 mill next year. And if they convince him to restructure I’m convinced he’s as good as gone at that point.

      • GEAGLE

        Shake what ya mamma gave you…twerk it girl…”make it Clap”
        ,..
        Lol FOles is a god, Vick sucks, and you husband Dutch is whack

        let’s see if a threw out enough bait to catch a troll this time
        ..

        • Joe from Easton

          haha – Geagle, now you’re just being bad.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Still an a$$ I see. Good to see some things don’t change.

      • Harpy Eagle

        I’m feeling all warm and yeasty about now.

    • DharmaBum

      While I strongly disagree that there was — or remains — ANY chance that we would have released him for no compensation, I’m with you when it comes to my good feelings that this thing has seemingly been smoothed over. And that applies whether he stays or not. Sure, I’d like him to stay for one more season, so we can acclimate our certain-to-be-drafted-in-May young WRs, but I will have much less problem letting him go next year, once those kids are ready. The other reason was that this was an increasingly bad look for the franchise.

      Personally, I still think that if it facilitates the moves or draft pick acquisitions we want or need in May, we’ll move him. I actually think that’s the plan, but who knows.

    • Tom w

      The replacing production part was least of their concerns that much is clear or they wouldn’t have started down in the first place without weighing the simplest pros and cons including production . I still have no doubt he gets traded between now and draft day … Just now teams will have to come to the eagles and understand what won’t fly. Added bonus djax may get his head out of his ass and mature a bit and take some positive steps to grow as a leader and teammate and athlete

      • Richard Colton

        no doubt? wow. OK – that’s a bold prediction Tom.

    • Token

      Is it? Lurie seemed to stress character and preparation etc… This thing is just way out of hand now. Cut him or dont. But letting this linger is dumb.

      • DharmaBum

        Seems to me that as of this morning, the situation is very much IN hand. Gone are the torrents of wild, inflammatory stories and tweets, and in come the unicorns and rainbows. No one can say exactly what will happen, although I suspect that we will deal him at the draft. What we won’t do, and what we were NEVER going to do, was cut him and get nothing back. No way, no how. To think this FO is that inept…well, that’s just not happening.

    • RIP illa

      One woulda thought that their plan would have accounted for that before it became such a distraction. Guess not. But hey at least they have a plan!

    • Brandon Baltic

      Call me crazy but I still think DJax is a risk to hold out for a new deal, and the Eagles know that. I’m just praying I’m wrong though and everything is nice nice at OTAs.

      • DharmaBum

        He’s in no position to hold out. It will not happen. Period.

        • Brandon Baltic

          I’m not so sure after what he said about a “new deal” and all. He’s coming off a career year and hired the agent that was famous for the Chris Johnson holdout. I hope you are right and he’s come to his senses after that discussion with Chip.

          • DharmaBum

            What I mean is that he has no leverage with which to hold out. He has no guaranteed money, he’s reportedly in trouble, money wise, and even if he isn’t, he’d be fined and on top of that, would receive no game checks. Add all of this to the fact that he’d be doing this to a team that reportedly doesn’t want him. The Eagles have all the leverage in that situation. Won’t happen.

          • Brandon Baltic

            I would think his agent would loan him money and cover his fines if he held out. It’s pretty standard for agents to loan clients money if they need it. Is it possible the Eagles don’t want him because they know he may hold out? Personally, I think yes. I think the Eagles have most of the leverage but not all of it considering the great season he’s coming off of and how important he is to the offense. If the Eagles don’t draft a WR that could replace Desean, then he’d have even more leverage.

            Now I’m not saying he will hold out. I’m just saying he could holdout if Desean wants to be a dick. Hopefully he’s smarter then that and I’m just wasting my breath here.

          • Kd711

            Also if the Eagles draft a WR, it’s gonna hurt his leverage even more.

          • Richard Colton

            and if (emphasis on “if”) that WR proves he can play, we’ll be in a position where we can walk away from DeSean.

          • DharmaBum

            That’s actually what I thought the original plan was, before all this stuff came up a few weeks ago. I saw them drafting a few young WRs this year, and keeping DeSean around while they acclimated to our system and got their rookie years out of the way. Next year, they step up and we release — or trade, if we could, of course — DeSean and his remaining $20M.

          • DharmaBum

            Listen, he can DO whatever he wants. But he’ll face the consequences I laid out. Hell, I could walk out of my house and shoot the first person I see, but I might regret it. Also, his last agent, Drew Rosenhaus, lent him money and is now suing him for over $200K, because he hasn’t been paid back. Do you REALLY think his new agent, Joel Segal, is going to lend him more? LMFAO

          • RIP illa

            I don’t think he’s going to holdout unless he’s really bitter at the team for the way this played out. Also remember that Johnson put up a ridiculous amount of yards for his position and was on his rookie deal, I believe. I think that plays a big part.

          • Brandon Baltic

            Good point and I would agree. I guess I’m just still a little worried about his comments after the Saints game, especially considering what has played out now.

      • Harpy Eagle

        One possible scenario I haven’t seen mentioned is that maybe this smokescreen was to send Djax a message that he may not be worth what he (or his agent) think he is.

        Nothing to see here move along, just a little ego check.

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    If you guys see a CSN article about the salary cap in 2015, ignore it. It’s a joke.

  • ACViking

    Ah, the old “they have a plan” mantra.

    Joe Kuharich, GM/coach, had a plan . . . and then he traded future HOF QB Sonny Jurgensen and future HOF WR Tommy McDonald. And the Eagles began a long slide into oblivion.

    Pete Retzlaff and Jerry Williams, GM and coach, had a plan . . . which included trading future HOF OT Bob Brown. More oblivion.

    Mike McCormack, GM/coach, had a plan . . . so he traded five years’ of 1st Rd picks for 3 players, one of whom was a just-selected 4th Rd pick when McCormack traded a 1st Rd’r for him. Oblivion Times Two.

    Then along came a former college head coach. Dick Vermeil’s plan actually worked . . . starting with his trade of All Pro TE Charlie Young because he wanted a new contract for Rams’ QB Ron Jaworski. Eagles make the playoffs four of the next five years and reach the SB.

    Buddy Ryan? His plan was for Randall to make five big plays per game and . . . . Enough said.

    • GEAGLE

      Is he supposed to say. You know what? F it, we will just wing it? :)
      How you been bud?

      • ACViking

        Doing well. Damned busy. But enjoying your comments — ‘specially on Kirksey.

        • GEAGLE

          These past two weeks, you were better off being busy in this media crap storm…
          …thank you sir, heckuva Nickle subpackage cover LB for Billy. Not really sure what round, I suspect the 4th is good value…

          • Tom w

            Rather take demecos replacement there then a luxury like a specialized nickel backer …. Unless he falls to 5th I expect a 4-3 team to scoop him up as a starter

    • DharmaBum

      Actually, the one thing that I kept thinking — besides “what else WOULD he say?” — was how he emphasized how focused and specific their plan was. For some reason, I got the strong feeling that they are working this whole thing exactly the way they want to and in May will flip him during the draft for whatever moves/ picks they think they need. Pure speculation, of course, but…

      • Brandon Boykin, LOL

        That’s why I think we’re spreading all of this DJax is back news, unfortunately. They’re doing it because they lost value with all the leaked “we might just cut him” info. So if everyone, DJax and teammates, “know” he’s back, we can now trade him. Since everyone thinks we’ll be keeping him and all.

        • DharmaBum

          Could have been their plan all along. Maybe that’s what Lurie meant by “a very focused plan”. Maybe, like a smart drug dealer, they gave the league a taste…a tease that lets them feel out the market, see who sniffs around the most. Then they reel him back and tell him things that make him tweet happy things, which also serves to allay other teams’ doubts about character, etc. Then, when the draft comes, they already know who showed the most interest, and at that point, will also know who isn’t seeing their WR targets falling to them. When those two things intersect…BOOM, we have our trade partner for good value.

          That’d be a focused plan, wouldn’t ya say?

          • Brandon Baltic

            That would be a crazy turn of events. I’m sure it’s possible though.

        • RIP illa

          I was thinking about that. I’ll take it one step further. Tell him that he’s safe, like Chip did before. Then make his dreams come true by telling him that they want to restructure his contract and give him the security he “deserves”. Now with feigning like you want to keep him and with a new deal that’s better cap wise for teams…trade him!

          Not saying this is how it’s gonna go, but this seems just as real as them all of a sudden wanting to hold on to him when they tried to get rid of him to the extent of cluster F proportions.

          • DharmaBum

            First of all, it was Chip who talked to him, not Howie, so I doubt contract number or promises were discussed. But I do think he may have been given assurances to make him happy and contented enough to play nice in the press. I laid it out right above this, as to what I think may be happening.

          • RIP illa

            What are you talking about with your 1st of all??? Where and when did I imply that Chip discussed money with DJax??? Jus cuz I said Chips name in my post doesn’t mean that I think he’s solely making the decision and/or making them on contracts.

          • DharmaBum

            “Then make his dreams come true by telling him that they want to restructure his contract and give him the security he “deserves”.”

            Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you meant, but I thought you were saying that THIS is what Chip must have said to him yesterday. If I’m wrong, my bad. I still stand by the scenario I posted, though.

          • RIP illa

            You misread. As long as your scenario shape it so that the team is not overjoyed that they are keeping DJax and are still entertaining the idea of moving him…then I agree.

          • DharmaBum

            Read what I wrote. I’m saying that this whole thing is a ploy. That they fully intend to trade him at the draft and, unless they were blown away by an offer this past week, that was always their plan.

            I said: “Could have been their plan all along. Maybe that’s what Lurie meant by “a very focused plan”. Maybe, like a smart drug dealer, they gave the league a taste…a tease that lets them feel out the market, see who sniffs around the most. Then they reel him back and tell him things that make him tweet happy things, which also serves to allay other teams’ doubts about character, etc. Then, when the draft comes, they already know who showed the most interest, and at that point, will also know who isn’t seeing their WR targets falling to them. When those two things intersect…BOOM, we have our trade partner for good value.”

          • RIP illa

            I read it and was saying I sorta agree with you in a roundabout way. Or at least could see something similar happening. However, I will say that usually that is not the way it’s done. Draft trades, when discussed and agreed upon in principal, seem to be usually one GM talking to another GM. That way it’s kept on the low until the time of announcement. I don’t recall too many, if any, involving a player being dangled out like a piece of meat over a starving pack of dogs.

          • DharmaBum

            I agree there too. I don’t think the Eagles “dangled” him as much as they allowed the media to do it for them. By not responding to any of the reports, they could let the market, if one existed, reveal itself. Maybe they told everyone who called, “hey, we’re not moving him”. But the ones who did call would certainly be the ones you’d go to first when you were ready. And out of those, the WR-needy ones who weren’t getting what they needed on draft day, etc, etc. That’d be were you’d get what you wanted.

          • RIP illa

            I can dig it!

          • Brandon Baltic

            Possible but I feel like if they could have restructured him for less cap money and more guaranteed money they would have done that by now.

          • RIP illa

            This is the same FO that tried to trade him in a receiver rich draft year, with the way his current contract is structured, without a rock solid reason, and that stood idly by letting the media take control of the narrative and speculate so muh negativity about DJax, helping to lower his value.

            Like I said, not saying it’s gonna go down like that, but I’m definitely not gonna sit here and say that our FO is above anything right now.

          • djack10

            Just floating this out there…
            Jackson asks for a new deal. Eagles say no, but would be willing to trade you to a team that will give you a new deal.
            Eagles get to work during free agency and start putting feelers out.
            People talk. Word gets to the media eagles are shopping Jackson.
            Jackson plays dumb. He’s in the dark.
            Eagles decide to close it down for now because no offers are forthcoming.
            Kelly calls Jackson and says we’re holding off on any deals, you’re an eagle and be ready for camp.

            I realize this has absolutely zero drama to it, but doesn’t this seem to fit?

          • Kd711

            Interesting idea, but it would totally go against the philosophy of the “new program.” Chip and Howie want to establish trust with their players. Lying to a player in contract negotiations in order to trade them would be pretty shady.

          • RIP illa

            That’s what I thought too until it was reported that Chil told him he was safe long ago. Next thing you know…being shopped. Now he’s safe again. Add that they didn’t talk to him when all this was getting 1st started. Not that they had too, but if you wanna build trust then it might be good to be straight and upfront with people. Like, ‘no you’re safe this is BS Desean, from the outset,’ Or, ‘yeah we’re listening to offers or shopping you Desean. A trade may happen or may not.’

          • Kd711

            There was the one report from Gunn that said he was told they were listening to offers. Then someone else said he was “in the dark” and everyone assumed that one was true. Maybe the first report was true and DeSean knew all along.

            My theory is that DeSean’s agent was pushing for a new contract and possibly threatening hold out. There was the one report that said DeSean wasn’t answering any of Chip’s calls. So the Eagles said if you act like this we’re going to listen to trade offers and did so. They got some interest, but too many people think he’s getting cut, so they stop listening for now and wait till the draft to trade him.

          • RIP illa

            To you Gunn report point, I don’t recall that one, it it doesn’t seem to really make any sense seeing the time length between when DJax was supposedly in the dark, till now.

          • Kd711

            I had it backwards, but there are two conflicting reports:

            From March 17:
            http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2014/03/17/desean-upset-eagles-silent/

            “We’re in the dark like everyone else,” said a source close to Jackson. “Thought he would at least be worthy of some kind of communication.”

            From March 18:
            http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/source-eagles-want-least-3rd-round-pick-desean-jackson

            “The team has taken inquiries from the 49ers and Patriots, Gunn has learned from a league source, and notified the Pro Bowl wideout early last week that it’s not shopping him but is listening to potential suitors.”

          • RIP illa

            Yeah, now I know what you’re talking about. I tend to believe that they got to him recently. Just too many reports saying that the Eagles and him haven’t talked. Just too many conflicting reports as well

          • DharmaBum

            I agree with everything except the parts about him holding out, and the possibility of us cutting him. I don’t think either are possible. He has absolutely no leverage with which to hold out. We would fine him, withhold his non-guranteed game checks, and initiate action to recoup portions of the signing bonus, all while he destroys his image further. How he wins in that situation…well, it beats me. Add in the possibility that he’s in financial trouble, and it’s even more unlikely.

            As far as the idea of releasing him outright for no compensation, that will NEVER happen, under any circumstance. Our FO would never let that happen in a million years, and his inability to exercise any leverage through a hold-out, only further bolsters that fact.

          • Kd711

            I didn’t ever think they would release him. The just might need to wait awhile longer to prove to other teams that they won’t.

            I also don’t see DeSean holding out anymore, but it was definitely a possibility before the team resigned Maclin and Cooper. Not that the Eagles would budge, but DeSean and his agent may have tried. What he said after the season leaves it open:
            “We’ll see how that plays out, and hopefully we can work things out smoothly and not have to worry about anything out of the ordinary.”
            The report that DeSean wasn’t answering Chip’s calls also makes me thinks he was trying to leverage them.

            But if this whole jaccpotfest thing has proven anything, it’s that DeSean’s value isn’t as high to the Eagles or the league as DeSean may thing it is. I totally agree that he’d be stupid to hold out

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But they wouldn’t necessarily be lying. Getting him to agree to a longer term, team friendlier deal only make our stance that much stronger. If you want to trade for him, you got to pay value & no we’re not releasing him. You don’t want him and want to gamble on us releasing him (which should be clearly understood if they reworked and actually extended his contact), or playing hardball with a low ball offer, we’ll just keep him & see what happens next year.

            So basically we either trade him at a lower number with more market value or we keep him another year at that lower number and look toward next year.

          • RIP illa

            It’s generally frowned upon, along with all other curse words.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “Now with feigning like you want to keep him and with a new deal that’s better cap wise for teams…trade him!”

            See that’s the exact same thing I said on Bleeding Green and GCobb. I just don’t see them paying him 10 mill this year. Not after all this drama.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Makes perfect sense if they can pull off restructuring his deal. If they can do that and make it a team friendly number for the next couple years, they could either keep him at the better number or if the intent is in fact to trade him, it makes it much easier to find a partner willing to give up something of value. Then they hold all the cards because they could literally tell teams, if they want him they’ll have to pony up with a real offer & can add in the kicker that oh and by the way, if we don’t find the right deal well just keep him & he won’t be released. So get that out yah heads now. It’s like the game show…deal or no deal?

          • Kev_H

            Restructuring his deal would come with a signing bonus (at least $15-$20M) that would all go against this year’s cap if he is moved. So even if someone were to go for that kind of double dealing- nobody would- the framework makes it almost impossible to do so.

          • Kev_H

            Other front offices use the media too and information gets distorted via whisper down the lane. Say 49ers media hears rumors and inquires about the Niner’s interest and gets a mushy answer that includes “maybe if he’s cut” which ends up turning into “they might cut…” and even some “they will cut”s. Then you have social media and instant access to player thoughts, no matter how informed, uninformed, thought out or impulsive they might be.

    • Tom w

      Sucks living in the past and perpetuating negativity

      • RIP illa

        Negativity like DJax stagger his own home robbery without a shred of proof??? That kinda negativity???

      • Ark87

        He is just telling you what happened. Hindsight is 20/20 for those that chose to look, the wise do, and learn from it. Besides, it wasn’t all negative (see Dick Vermeil paragraph).

        Plans and theories are always great on the chalkboard, players put it on the field, great players, x-factors, break the inherent limitations of your plan and take it to the next level. It is ultimately the coach’s call on who will help or hurt the plan though, and only time will tell if they’re right or wrong.

  • GEAGLE

    casserly says he likes Pryor more then Eric Reid and Vaccaro…he better never get a GM job again

    • oreofestar

      I like Casserly though I mean his opinions are usually pretty fair and I think Pror is better than Reid coming out not Vaccaro though

  • Token

    Geez even Lurie is scared to death now. So we have Haunted Howie, what can Lurie nickname be?

    As far as a plan….. Im really trying hard to figure it out.

    • DharmaBum

      As I posted a few minutes ago, I really think they plan to flip him at the draft. I’m not gonna copy and paste it here, just scroll up and read it. Might sound crazy, but it’s the most plausible explanation at this point.

    • Michael Myers

      leery laurie

    • JofreyRice

      It’s kind of amazing he’s just coming out and stating it so plainly. “We got burned 3 years ago, so now we don’t consider the top free agents”. Unbelievable. And people credit them for this. I mean, it’s essentially like getting burned by accident while you’re making dinner and then using it as justification to throw out your oven. So shortsighted.

  • Kd711

    Did you guys see this?

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2005121-desean-jackson-says-on-facebook-dont-believe-everything-you-hear

    Apparently DeSean posted something on facebook six days ago saying “don’t believe everything you hear.”

    • Jerry Pomroy

      That could be taken any way really. Seems like that writer took it as meaning in regards to trade talks. Which is certainly possible. But until I hear/see a definitive clearly stating that he will NOT be traded. It’s certainly still possible.

      For the record, while he annoys me with his antics on the field (falling into end zone, etc), I still think we’re better with than without at this point and would rather he stayed. But would get over it if he did get traded.

  • oreofestar

    No matter how much of a heist I get my score sucks

    Round 1 Pick 22: Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M (A)
    Round 2 Pick 25 (S.D.): Marcus Smith, DE, Louisville (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State (C+)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Ahmad Dixon, SS, Baylor (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 25 (S.D.): Antone Exum, CB, Virginia Tech (B)
    Round 5 Pick 23 (K.C.): Kevin Pierre-Louis, OLB, Boston College (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 25 (S.D.): Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (A)
    Round 6 Pick 31 (DEN): Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (D+)
    Round 7 Pick 22: De’Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon (B-)

    • oreofestar

      I couldn’t resist Colvin he is gonna be so nice

  • oreofestar

    Traded down like 5 times

    Round 1 Pick 30 (S.F.): C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama (A)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 26 (N.O.): Marcus Smith, DE, Louisville (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 29 (N.E.): Christian Kirksey, OLB, Iowa (A)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Ahmad Dixon, SS, Baylor (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 30 (N.E.): Antone Exum, CB, Virginia Tech (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 1 (HOU): Aaron Lynch, DE, South Florida (D-)
    Round 5 Pick 20 (ARI): Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Terrance Mitchell, CB, Oregon (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 27 (N.O.): Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon (D+)
    Round 5 Pick 28 (CAR): Jemea Thomas, FS, Georgia Tech (D)
    Round 6 Pick 22 (N.E.): Brett Smith, QB, Wyoming (A)
    Round 6 Pick 30 (N.E.): Deandre Coleman, DT, California (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 22: L’Damian Washington, WR, Missouri (C+)

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Completely off topic, but if anyone using an android phone is fed up with the new Swype being slow and lagging, try out Google keyboard. It’s pretty smooth & free on Google play.

  • TNA

    Sheil, Tim, and if you’re reading, Mark Salveit:
    When you have time I highly recommend scanning through Ron Heifetz’s book on Adaptive Leadership. This is the second time this season I’ve referenced this book this season and how uncanny the “leadership” of this team seems to be right out of this playbook. Sometimes trying to manage situations using some of the ideas in the book can backfire (see: Obama administration, sometimes). But in other times, the ideas seem ideal for running a sports team.
    Letting the temperature build around a situation such as this, before stepping in and easing the pressure a little bit is similar to what LBJ went through during the fits and starts of the civil rights act.
    This book continues to be reflected by the actions of Chip and this front office- almost to a T.
    Trust that this front office has as much as possible mapped out, including the factions that make up the players, including DeSean. But also trust that this front office, more than anything has the “work” at the center and is totally committed to winning ball games now and later.
    I think the team culture points are critical. And it’s not as simple as saying that Chip is the coach and is paid to manage that culture in the presence of “diva” players. If there’s angst there, I think it’s because without Vick and Avant, DeSean becomes elevated almost by default in the locker room. And does the team leadership really want to subject rookies and young players, especially young WRs to Desean’s “leadership?” But if anybody can align goals or use logic to persuade players, it’s got to be Chip.

    • Fly High

      Loved this response. I teach workshops for a living, and since I discovered Chip in Oregon, I have really appreciated his philosophy and how he deals with life. He is not only a smart football coach, but a smart person. The Eagles management appears to have an egolessness about it. Everyone working toward a common goal, without a lot of trying to take credit or put blame on others when things don’t work. I think Lurie, Roseman, and Kelly, all know how to cooperate, and let others do their jobs. I think that the Eagles have one of the class franchises along with Seattle, Green Bay, and New England.
      I so pity Washington and Dallas – they could have soaps about their management structure.

      • JofreyRice

        Wow, interesting that your take is that they are a humble group doing what is necessary to succeed. I think ego is one of the main hallmarks of the Lurie era, in general. Certainly Chip’s got a hell of an ego, Reid had a massive ego, Joe Banner, Howie Roseman. Their quotes speak volumes. From Lurie’s infamous “we’re the gold standard”, to numerous cringe-worthy musings from Joe Banner, to Howie’s constant droning on about how they know what it takes to build a champion the “right way”. Certainly, you need some ego to succeed, but I think this group’s ego has damaged the product on the field, at times. Letting Dawkins go strikes me as the most dramatic example, but there are countless others.

        • Token

          It is funny, they always bring up things as if they know anything about what it takes to build a champion. Seems like the two teams that made it last year were active in FA and/or trades. Trying to better themselves in any way.

          You just cant fill all these wholes in one draft. It takes 2 or 3 and thats assuming you hit on a bunch of guys. By the time you may actually have a team worthy of contending you run into all these other issues…. Shady being much older, Linemen older, Boykin or other guys may have left creating more holes. So you are never gonna keep up with all the holes. And more importantly players are probably tuning out Chips program by that point in the game.

          Planning for years down the road is a prescription for mediocrity. Especially when the talent evaluation seems to be getting worse. Chip is the man in charge of personnel now. All these things arent out of Howies playbook, atleast I dont think.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, I thought they were into all the cutting edge analytics stuff. Someone charted running back prodcuctivity in yards, versus their age, as a mathematical function. Quite a precipitous drop as the RB approaches 30. Now, I do think Shady’s perimeter runs, and overall running style help him, but this is pretty dramatic. Check it out:

          • TNA

            Is productivity = yards?
            Would yards/carry + yards/reception be a better measure of productivity?
            And to add more noise to this model, what’s the effect of QBs/OL/WRs on RB “production?”
            There are a lot of moving parts and exogenous factors to consider — it’s nearly impossible to even state c.p. in this case, which is what would be necessary to even consider the correlation in this case (much less causation).

  • Kev_H

    “What the preparation to perform at your maximum level needs to be” is what stands out to me. I am always amazed at how poorly some NFL athletes take care of themselves in terms of diet and sleep, especially given the money at stake and how hard they work in training. Kelly is really the first to try and change this across the board. It clearly gives his team and advantage today, but to fans it will result in head scratching personnel decisions.