All-22: Why Kelly Wanted Darren Sproles

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Chip Kelly is OK with a certain degree of predictability.

The Eagles’ head coach has acquired a handful of new offensive players in his first two offseasons, and in each case, common principles exist. He wants guys who are capable of contributing in multiple ways; players who can be productive lining up in a variety of spots; and playmakers who are good with the ball in their hands.




Which brings us to yesterday's acquisition of Darren Sproles. The Eagles dealt a fifth-round pick to the Saints in exchange for the nine-year veteran.

Having seen Kelly's offense in action for a year and having looked at how Sproles performed in 2013, we can get a sense of what his role might be with the Eagles.

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Sproles turns 31 in June, but the one area of his game that didn't take much of a dip last season was his production as a receiver. Sproles caught 71 balls for 604 yards and averaged 8.5 yards per reception. He had seven catches of 20+ yards, tied for fourth-most among running backs. Sproles is a savvy route-runner who knows how to get open and can still make linebackers and safeties look foolish. Sean Payton recently called him one of the smartest football players he's ever been around.

Take this play against the Falcons, for example. Sproles lines up stacked behind Marques Colston. What does that accomplish? It ensures a free release. Because he's 5-6, 190, one method for slowing Sproles down is to bump him at the line of scrimmage and disrupt the timing of his routes. But because he's stacked behind the 6-4 Colston, Sproles can get into his route without a defender touching him.

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On this play, he runs a wheel route down the right sideline. Observers from last year will remember that Kelly loved using wheel routes with his running backs against linebackers and safeties. It's a simple way to take advantage of man coverage. The Eagles got better at hitting on these later in the season.

Here, the Falcons use safety William Moore against Sproles. But Sproles leaves him in the dust.

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Really, this should be a touchdown. But Drew Brees doesn't deliver a great ball. Sproles has to slow down, turn to the sideline and adjust.

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You might remember a similar play in the playoff game against the Eagles. Sproles beat Connor Barwin down the sideline, but Brees underthrew him, and the pass was incomplete.

Most running backs in the NFL nowadays are capable of making plays in the passing game, but Sproles has unique receiver skills as demonstrated by the above play. The result ended up being a 22-yard gain.

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One reason the wheel route works so well with Sproles is because he's so good on the underneath stuff. Many of his catches with the Saints last year came on balls in the flat. The concept is simple: Complete a high-percentage pass, ask Sproles to make a guy miss and then turn it upfield.

Before the Eagles played the Saints in January, I asked Kelly if he had ever spent time with Sean Payton. He said he had not, but there are obvious similarities in some of their offensive philosophies - specifically a focus on stretching the field vertically and horizontally.

Here's a play from last year against the Cardinals. Sproles is lined up in the slot opposite safety Yeremiah Bell.

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This looks like it'll be a simple 3- or 4-yard gain.

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Bell has Sproles lined up, but the vet still has some shiftiness left. And there is an element of toughness to his game despite the small frame. He shakes off the Bell tackle and drags a second defender upfield. Sproles ends up turning a 3-yard gain into an 11-yard pickup.

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Sproles caught 84.2 percent of the balls thrown his way last year, per Pro Football Focus. Among players with at least 70 catches, the only others with a rate that high were Pierre Thomas, Danny Woodhead and Matt Forte.

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And finally, Sproles can still be effective in the screen game - an area in which the Eagles had a lot of success last season.

Against the Dolphins, the Saints faced a 3rd-and-20. Miami predictably played their safeties deep and dropped back into zone coverage.

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The Saints had four receivers run vertical routes. Brees, meanwhile, waited for the perfect time to dump it off to Sproles, who had three offensive linemen out in front blocking.

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The blocking was fantastic, and Sproles weaved his way towards the sideline for 21 yards and a first down.

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As shown above, Sproles can still be effective as a receiver. He might have a more difficult time shaking some of the game's better defenders (Luke Kuechly and Lavonte David come to mind from the games I watched). But against most linebackers, he can still win. And he beat plenty of safeties too. That's how Kelly will use him, as another piece he can move around on offense.

Still, this deal is not a home run. The draft is said to be loaded, and the Eagles gave up a fifth-round pick for a declining player who is in his 30s. Sproles is due $3.4 million in 2014 and then is scheduled to become a free agent.

You'll notice I didn't write much about Sproles as a running back. He only ran the ball 3.5 times per game in 2013 and averaged a pedestrian 4.2 YPC. I doubt he'll see a bump in number of carries with the Eagles. Giving LeSean McCoy a breather always seems like a good idea Monday to Saturday. But then Sunday rolls around, and the Eagles' coaches realize how difficult it is to take their best player off the field.

Bryce Brown and Chris Polk combined for 4.9 rushes per game last season. As Tim mentioned yesterday, maybe Brown gets dealt and Sproles gets some of those carries. But again, I don't think the total number of rushing attempts for Sproles next season will exceed 50. The Saints went to him on a lot of tosses in the games I watched from last year, and Sproles can still make people miss, but the ability to shift gears and hit on big runs is what's starting to go.

Sproles had one run of 20+ yards on 53 attempts last season. In his prime (2011, for example), Sproles averaged one run of 20+ yards every 12.4 attempts.

And as we noted yesterday, he did not perform well as a returner last year.

The bottom line? Sproles' biggest impact will come in the passing game, and it will be fun to see how Kelly uses him there. You might see Sproles and McCoy lined up in the backfield together. You might see Sproles motion to the slot or out wide to get a mismatch against a linebacker or safety. Or you might see them stack him behind 6-5 Zach Ertz before running a wheel route down the sideline.

There are a lot of options in play, given Sproles' skill set, and that's likely the reason Kelly wanted him on board.

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  • Jeff Asay

    One third of the game is special teams. Sproles makes Eagles ST better, and he adds another bullet in the cartridge of this machine gun offense. Can’t wait to add a stud WR and an OLB.

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      disagree that it’s one third of the game. It is, however, an important piece. I wonder how much his return fall off from last year was a result of other pieces around him versus his own decline.

  • CJ

    Eagles fans are going to have eyegasms watching this offense next year. They’re loaded, and they’re still drafting a WR early in May IMO. If the defense can jell and add another piece here or there, division games almost wouldn’t even be fair. Almost :)

  • distantfires

    SK, great article (as usual).

    • GEAGLE

      SKs all 22 are literally consistently the best possible eagles coverage we get..can’t think of any beat writers column that are better then the all 22’s…real talk

      • EaglesJRL

        Tommy Lawlor comes to mind, but both are excellent.

        • aub32

          Lawlor provides more insight and opinion. However, he doesn’t do as much breakdown and analysis, outside of his DGRs.

  • GEAGLE

    Sproles only caught 82% of balls(not that it’s a bad percentage) it’s just that I read he didn’t have a single drop last year?
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    Sproles running a wheel route down the right sideline, shady running a wheel route down the left sideline…YOU CANT STOP THE RAIN, when it starts to pour!!!

    • Adam G

      Not mutually exclusive. Some balls were poorly thrown.

    • Shane Brown

      That other 18% is from bad throws, deflected passes, interceptions, etc.

    • Ark87

      Yeah it’s an awkwardly phrased stat.

      “thrown his way”: possibly poor passes, or expressing limitations of his…what’s Billy Davis’ word…catching radius? Yeah Sproles doesn’t have hardly any of that. Still possible that nothing that hit his hands went to the turf.

      • GEAGLE

        Duh, brain fart…thanks, I just had a blonde moment
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        We can’t even really look at Sproles as a running back..it’s more like adding Wes Welker to our offense

        • Corey Dawson

          It’s this, he’s going to be Welker type that just comes out of the backfield. We’ll use him mostly like the Saints did.

          I think the 84.2% shows that he gets open underneath and gets seperation from whomever is covering him. Because of this, the throws to him are usually completed because they’re easy throws. Yes, screen passes inflate that number a bit.

    • FMWarner

      I see though, that of the other three guys to catch that percentage, Pierre Thomas was one. I love this acquisition, but I wonder how much scheme or Drew Brees have to do with that stat.

  • GEAGLE

    William Moore is a damn good safety that Sproles is abusing

    • dmancine9

      http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/03/deone_buccannon_safety_from_washington_state_to_workout_for_eagles.html

      don’t know if this private workout means much, but I’m still really high on Buccannon. would love him in the early 2nd round.

      • GEAGLE

        Same..I seen enough of guys like him and KVN to where I don’t even pay attention to what they do during the draft process. I been obsessed with KVN for two years, and I know he didn’t perform well at the combine, but if you offered me a 1000 dollars to tell you what his numbers were, I literally wouldn’t be able to even guess.. I have no clue how he performed because I don’t care..seen enough of him on the field…I only really care about combine and crap like that for guys I don’t. Like, or I’m on the fence about…
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        For example. I needed to see how Trent Murphy moved at the combine and i was pretty damn surprised. Looked nothing like the stiff Bjorn Werner everyone said he would resemble…I think he emerged as a def option that will be on our draft board, which is good, he is another option at OLB that I didn’t think we would have
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        But you can just watch Buchanons games against Oregon to know he is a player

  • GEAGLE

    Maragas talked about the ST impact of a guy like Sproles..good stuff…anyone know if Maragas was used in subpackages, or was he strictly the hawks version of Colt Anderson?
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    Sure you can find his Sproles comments on PE.com

    • JofreyRice

      I checked out his PFF stats. They have him as a -3.5 on special teams with 4 tackles made against 2 missed. Jeremy Lane and Heath Farwell have huge positive grades for Seattle’s special teams. I know Farwell jumped out at me watching some of Seattle’s preseason games, and he grades out really well. Lane’s another one of their big corners 6’1″ that graded out really well off the bench. Embarrassment of riches over there.

      PFF has Maragos down for 53 snaps all year–almost nothing. 2 tackles recorded as a free safety, and one missed tackle. Was thrown at 1 time, which resulted in a 21 yard TD, so that’s a perfect 158.3 rating.

      • GEAGLE

        Thank you kind sir for the intel…so basically we should expect a PED version of Colt Anderson..I’m sure competing with the Eagles safeties for snaps is a little asker then competing with Earl Thomas, which probably appealed to him, but anything we get out of him on defens is probably gravy..

  • JofreyRice

    Very fair take. This is why I come here. No fluff. I think Sproles is going to make me jump off my couch quite a few times in the coming season. And although I do want more picks than less, I don’t know I’d be so sure of that with some rookie 5th rounder.

    • Sean

      exactly, getting the sure thing in the proven NFL vet instead of the unknown.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      very well said

    • stamtown

      Will be fun for this year, but giving up that 5th round pick in a deep draft (in a year where we don’t have that many to begin with) sours this for me. We’ve done really well in the 4th and 5th round of draft recently. Would have rather seen a rookie WR get some of Sproles snaps.

    • morgan c

      Exactly. At the least, he can still be a very effective weapon in the passing game. Also, though he may be slowing down, he is 30/31, not 34, and he doesn’t have a starter’s workhorse mileage. One good year will be worth the trade for a 5th rounder, and hopefully he can be productive for us for a few…

  • knighn

    Has Darren Sproles spoken to the media yet? All I’ve heard is that his wife is extremely unhappy with the Saints and she is posting tweets filled with an interesting mix of spirituality and obscenities.

    • GEAGLE

      This afternoon we will introduce Darren and Nolan…his wife made those comments the night before the trade when they had no idea who they would be traded to. Marcus Vick approved her tweets

      • Jeff Asay

        I gathered her anger stemmed more for the lack of communication. They promised him a chance to choose, but when the market got hot, they couldn’t even reach out to him? He said he found out he’d been traded via Twitter. What I love about Chip is he remembers the human side of things and when he makes a move, he takes the time to lay it out for the affected player. That’s the sign of a great boss. When they were drafting Ertz and signing Casey, he reportedly called Celek to explain his thinking and reassure him that he was still in their plans. Guys and organizations that skip that step are pricks that rationalize it by saying asshole stuff like, “It’s just business.”

        • mtn_green

          This. If Sproles is angry it is with NO. He is a one year rental in Philly.

        • GEAGLE

          Good stuff…btw, fans that want to see Sproles, he will be on Eagles live at 2pm PE.com

          • Ark87

            I’m not a fan of Spuds articles or how he handles calls from Eagles fans, but I have to admit, he’s good at talking to the players, getting them to open up, getting an idea of who these guys are. Always a great contrast to the PC’s, which can get awkward. Just great to see back to back.

          • GEAGLE

            It’s player access that we wouldn’t normally get, so I’ll take it…but I prefer players introductory press conferences, but I like that the PC is followed by one on one time with SPAZZdaro..actually I shouldn’t talk trash cuz he always kind enough to show me love on twitter

      • knighn

        Cool. Thanks, G!

    • Joe Thomas

      I believe today at 2pm. She was mad they went from releasing him to putting him on the trade block. Felt he deserved to pick his destination. This was all before the trade for the record.

      • knighn

        “Keep your word”. Simple concept. Failed execution. Yes, it’s fair to say the Sproles would have made a little more on the open market.

        • Ark87

          he could have been shipped off to oakland, Jacksonville or Cleveland or something. The Saints took care of him. Whether him and his wife know it or not. I’m interested to see how Darren is today. I think he’ll be excited. If not, he should be, we are perfect for him.

          • Will

            So true Sproles is got to be excited to play for Chip Kelly…

  • Ark87

    I haven’t seen a clear explanation anywhere (admittedly I haven’t researched very hard, so apologies if it’s spelled out somewhere on this site), but is there a reason we traded a pick rather than wait till the saints cut him?

    The obvious perks is trades give us exclusive rights, no competitors, he has to come to us. I’m just wondering, did we like sproles THAT much that we just had to have him, or did we expect him to command a much heftier price on the open market, or did we think we would have to sign him longer term to bring him in but didn’t want more than 1 year?

    Just wondering if anyone has a solid grasp over the situation there.

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      My guess (and it’s really just that), is that there were multiple teams interested in trading for sproles, so the only way to be sure to acquire him was to trade. He wasn’t going to be cut.

    • GEAGLE

      He wasn’t going to get cut. There was REAL league wide interest in him not agent talk fabricated to try and drum up interest..skins were hot after him, I’m sure Pats and Denver considered it???he would have never gotten cut! someone was giving up value for him! which is why we had to give up a 5th instead of the 6th you see for players like him at his age(Anquan BOldin). We had no choice

      • Adam G

        And we also didn’t have a 6th rounder. Pretty hard to trade a 6th rounder when you don’t have one.

      • Ark87

        got it. So we REALLY wanted Sproles. Howie has demonstrated that he will let a guy he likes pass by if the price isn’t right (big time talent like Byrd, Ward etc, I’m sure he’d love to have them, but not at the $ they wanted from us).

        That’s good to know. Kind of more excited then, you know someone was pounding the table for Sproles.

    • Joe Thomas

      He wasnt gonna be released once the Saints realized that there was so much interest. Someone was gonna trade for him.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      regards to your 1st paragraph, it seemed there was too much interest in him; someone was going to pull the trigger on a trade.

      • Ark87

        yeah, which I find facinating. I’ve seen it play out pretty brutal, you have a team limping around over the cap, you know picks are at a premium this year, often the teams will wait licking their chops, collectively knowing that nobody has to lose a pick for this. Someone must have crossed that picket line, then all hell broke loose.

    • Will

      Reports said 10 teams were interested in adding Sproles to their roster. A fifth rd pick for Sproles you kidding me still a steal at 31….

  • GEAGLE

    If I had to compare Chip to an NFL coach, I’d easily say Sean Peyton. And I think chips career will be similar to Peyton’s. In that..lif you remember when Sean first came into power he used to run a lot of crazy gadget plays like Chip, sometimes getting too cute for his own good, like lining up FOles at WR in redzone and putting kordell Stewart Jr in at QB..as Peyton gained experience he learned what worked and what didn’t and you seen him call less and less of the gadget plays, and today you have a brilliant well versed coach..Chip is a smart man, won’t be repeating mistakes too often, I think he will grow a lot this offseason when he is done analyzing last season..if we thought Chip was a great coach this year, I don’t think we seen half the coach we will eventually see

    • Andy124

      As long as Kelly doesn’t get suspended for a season, I’m good with that comp.

      • Will

        LMAO…

  • Sean

    Foles-to-Sproles has a nice ring to it. I could get used to that connection

    • GEAGLE

      FOles to Sproles just dissects the defense of Todd Bowles!! We play the cardinals again don’t we?

      • Ark87

        sure do. We play all the best D’s in the league next season. Some folks are getting a little bent out that we are still investing in our O, but we could use it this season. (Don’t get me wrong, the D definitely needs love too, but I think it’s coming)

      • GumboGumbo

        Arians submitted this reply to the nfl for review

    • Cheesesteak

      By far better than, say, Detmer-to-Mahe :-)

  • Jeff Asay

    SK – much has been written about Sproles’ drop off last season of his return production and immediately point to his age and maybe losing that extra gear great returners possess. But how much of that lost production can be attributed to the 10 men blocking for him? Any way to tease that out?

  • LostInChiTown

    Remember how Chip was using DeSean toward the end of the year? Lined up in the backfield next to Shady and motioning all across the formation? (Sheil put some good All-22’s together on it). That will be a big part of Sproles role. DeSean ran his share of wheel routes and short crosses from the backfield or slot. Those are key plays for Sproles, but Sproles could also run the ball or take a screen, which are uses that DeSean is very limited in. This also opens up the option to keep DeSean mostly outside.

    If Chip Kelly’s offense specializes in stretching the field, running multiple plays from the same alignment, and giving Foles multiple options to distribute the ball, this one signing might mean a lot more than at first glance.

    I think I’m still disappointed we lost a draft pick though.

    • mtn_green

      Yes. Sproles takes Desean’s role as distractor from slot to backfield and back and DeSean gets to suck the safety and a db into a black hole.

      • Will

        LMAO…this is gonna be a barn burner on Offense this year old saint Nick got to be salivating about now….

        • Joe from Easton

          As on poster said, “he won’t be able to sleep on his stomach for a month”.

  • Chip-Chat

    I like the moves so far… Did we forget Chip’s plan? SCORE f…..ing POINTS!!! The safeties will be fine as long as the birds can draft pass rushers that make opposite QB uncomfortable and throw under pressure… Now if Calvin Pryor is there at 22, draft him!!

  • cliff henny

    Eagles get ODB, or something similar, stay somewhat healthy, Foles should have 4000 and 40, playing left handed and blindfolded. man, this offense is stacked

    • knighn

      Hope the defense is improved. The offense can’t do as much if it never gets the ball back.

      • cliff henny

        lazy, so i’m cut/paste…

        Defense should be better:
        1. simply not playing Chung. may not be safeties we wanted, but they are better
        2. young pups will be better.
        3. natural improvement by all players going into 2nd yr in system
        4. allowed to draft defensive players
        5. lot easier to play defense when offense is kicking everyone’s teeth in

        • knighn

          Cool. Glad you were the one to respond.
          Devil’s advocate:
          1. Jenkins > Chung. No question. Who is safety #2? There is No guarantee that Safety #2 > Nate Allen. And that’s a bit scary right now. Even scarier: right now our overall safety picture is potentially worse.
          2. Young pups should be better. Unfortunately this does not always happen the way it should. We all had high hopes for Nate Allen after his rookie year. Oops… and that’s just one example! Either way, the other counter to this is that the “old dogs will be older”. DeMeco Ryans (will be 30), Connor Barwin (will be 28), Trent Cole (will be 32), Cary Williams (going on 30) and all played lots of snaps for the Eagles in 2013… and were all key contributors. If this defense can’t come up with some more 3 and outs (or at least some earlier stops), these guys will wear out quick… sports science or not!
          3. Natural improvement.. doesn’t always happen. How many young players did we think showed promise and then that was all they showed? “Flashes in the pan” happen too.
          4. We are allowed to draft defensive players. We also shouldn’t expect much contribution right away. Wish I still had the link… basically it was an article that talked about how most pass rushers don’t become studs until their 3rd year in the NFL. There are exceptions, sure, but that’s the rule. Drafted players also aren’t a sure thing, and worse yet, they bust.
          5. It’s also harder to play offense when the other team is matching you point for point and chewing up lots of clock in the process. The defense was bad last year. Worse than what showed on the scoreboard. If it does not improve, the entire team is in for a truly tough 2014.
          Bottom line: I want for this team to be better in 2014 than it was in 2013. I want to see at least 10 wins. I want to see the Eagles win at least one playoff game. I want the 2014 Eagles to be a competitor, even if this is just a stepping stone. I just don’t see that right now. I hope to see it on the field.

          • travis papa

            Holy geez you should change your screen name to Negative Nancy.

          • knighn

            Can I change it to Knegative Knancy instead? I’m a big fan of the silent K!

          • travis papa

            Anything you want since your going to own it.

          • cliff henny

            valid, well thought out, logical…and I reject all of it! ;)
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            1. I like wolff…call me nutz, but saw something. and think Kelly does too. good enough for me. wolff is min lateral move from Allen, immediately.
            2.confidence in current coaching staff. again, wolff’s college tape vs pro. cant coach’em up, this drafting develop resign early strategy is big waste of time
            3.natural improvement in being in scheme for 2nd yr. common wisdom is it take 2 yrs to truly get 4-3 to 3-4 sink in. no?
            4. hope we can get guys who can work in. like an attaguy who’ll let cole do heavy lifting on 1st 2nd, come in on obvious passing downs. or Christian smith, do sort of same for d ryans. Eagles have enough now rookies can be worked in, start off at what they should be good at
            5. yeah, be games when defense has to play well. but scoreboard pressure is real. points per possession. you know going in to game 28 wont do it, makes gameplanning a lot different

          • knighn

            I appreciate your optimistic outlook.
            Unquestionably: I am looking forward to watching this offense. I think it has the chance to be something special as long as O players focus on winning and not their individual stats.
            Defense just leaves me with questions. There are too many depth issues right now for me.
            Not enough pass rushers.
            Not enough Safeties.
            Not enough D-line.
            I’d feel better, at this point, if the Eagles had signed another Safety (in addition to Jenkins) and a legitimate pass rusher (sorry, Bryan Braman doesn’t count)! I know that there is still time left in free agency and I’m not even complaining about the big three names (DeMarcus Ware, Darrelle Revis, Jairus Byrd). I simply would have liked to see a little more added to the team.

          • cliff henny

            just lay back, smile, open cold beer and repeat with me, 49-34 is same as 21-6.

          • knighn

            I’m fine with this as long as the Eagles are the team that puts up the 4 9 !

      • RIP illa

        That’s how the Chargers beat us. It was their plan all along.

        • cliff henny

          POS Henery falls on that fumble

          • RIP illa

            LOL. Henery (smh)!

          • GEAGLE

            He better get his ish together!! Doubt Braman is going to put up with failures from our drunk idiot kicker,.
            ..,
            The more I find out about Maragas and Braman the more pumped up I get. Marags is a jacked up lil F’er, sounds like a smart dude, true winner, high Charecter dude..media kept trying to get him to talk about what he does well, and he refused to talk himself up, but he said I’ll tell you about this guy instead (talking about Braman) and what a beast he is…I also heard Braman showed some nice improvement at OLB in last preseason…cool to hear that when our players found out he was on our radar, Barwin and Meco called him up to sell him which says that they respect him as a player and think he is a worthy addition to our team..
            ..
            Media is fascinated about asking new players about Tuesday practice(it’s this years playlist phenomenon) as if our newly signed eagles are going to say “F That, I ain’t practice on no Tuesdays”..Braman answered about how well the reasoning was explained to him, and he said “I don’t think the eagles put a single player on IR last season, so Chip is doing something right”
            ….
            Maragas talks about how similar Pet Carroll and Chip are, talked about how league wide everyone was noticing what the eagles were doing last year,..Spadaro asked him if he was a “gym rat”, he answered I’m a “win rat”…You can tell Maragas knows his stuff and watches video of everyone!!talked about the reputation Sproles has built up as an amazing player! with a crazy work ethic who shows up every practice and raises the competitive environment…..trying to defense Sproles every day in practice should pay dividends in Kemdricks development both in play recognition, since you know Chip will move him all over the place, as well as improving his coverage..once you start being able to hang with Sproles out of the backfield, you should be ready for any matchup on Sundays….

            Certainly not the big sexy major splash..but when you start upgrading the Kurt Coleman’s and Casey Mathews with guys like Maragas and brayman you are improving the talent level of your ST and depth, keep making depth upgrades like these and they add up. Til you eventually have a talented 53 man roster of competitive, smart, high Charecter guys who will work, compete and push each other to get better

            To keep it real, I would prefer adding the Corey Graham, types who bring what Maragas and Braman bring to our ST, but is also a player who you are definitely going to use in defensive subpackages…..but contractually their seems to be a big difference in paying for a ST upgrade, and paying for a ST upgrade that you can count on to help your defense..I really liked Corey Graham, but if don’t know that improving our defensive depth is worth 4years 16million dollars, considering it was much cheaper to just add a guy like Maragas who will bring what Graham would have brung to our ST..

          • Andy124

            We talkin’ ’bout practice!

        • pjcostello

          Ditto the Saints. :-(

  • Will

    The Defense needs just a little help for the Eagles to be a power house. I’m hoping they can shore up ROLB and the Safety spots….With Jenkins on board to play in the slot you could move Boykin to one of the Outside CB spots if you wanted to if you have two other descent Safeties…

    • GEAGLE

      Spadaro tweeted about how the defense needs some additions, talked about improving pass rush….wonder if he heard something..he normally talks about the eagles most complete awesome team ever, so for him to publically acknowledge that we need to add defenders, wondering if he heard something

      • Will

        Cool…I get the feeling that Howie’s not done either day 4 and prices are right…hope they find some gems for the Defense…all this DJax trade talk concerns me with Sproles on board would free up DJax more I would think…

        • GEAGLE

          Oh he is definitely not done…this is probably his favorite time, the desperation market, when prices go down and you get bargain deals….I’m amazed that Carrington is still on the market, but I guess their is a difference of opinion in his value since he was injured most of last season….if Howie can manage to get this kid on day 3-4 of FA, he going to most jus likely get a very favorable deal for a kid who can turn out to be a steal…..problem is his Bills DC is now in Cleveland who has money, and Pettine will know what a diamond in the rough this kid could turn out to bell.shocked the browns haven’t gotten him locked up yet. He is definitely not going back to the bills, forget who they just paid

  • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

    I’ve wanted Sproles on the Eagles since 2005 and even though he has lost some explosiveness he is still such a versatile contributor where ever his teams need him. The truth is…Sproles has been making plays for almost a decade. Bring on the cover 1!

  • GEAGLE

    NFLPA has eagles at 25.1m in Cap space. Feast your heart out Clifford

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      how did we go up in cap space? when was that last updated?

    • JofreyRice

      THANK GOD!

      • cliff henny

        thought Jeffy L was going to only have 2 month private European cruise instead of 3.

    • RIP illa

      I’m pretty sure the NFLPA usually has a higher figure than the league does. Yet still, we shouldn’t be too far away from that.

      • Will

        Cliff put it at 20 mil in Cliff I trust…lol..

        • RIP illa

          Cliff cap evaluations = Gospel!

          • cliff henny

            aint hard, overthecap.com

    • cliff henny

      link, please. I don’t think it’s that much. 20m. issue is they are pushing ’15s max cap. wont see anyone brought in on 1 yr or Howie specials

      • GEAGLE

        Twitter fool…Zack Berman just tweeted it :)

        • cliff henny

          spend enough time here, don’t need twitter open.

          • GEAGLE

            His exact wording was “according to nflpa records eagles have 25.1m in cap space”…just passing it along, you know better then me..having you around cripples my growth and keeps me cap ignorant lol

          • cliff henny

            not sure what the eagles do. 20-25m is too much to roll over, but cant sign anyone multi-yr without going into debt in ’15, we know that wont like doing that. could June 1st, cause that’s just accounting numbers, and add that way, clear ’15 cap early. i’m probably only one in pm 24/7 that gives 2shits about it though

          • Adam G

            I just posted this, I agree. 2015 is an issue.

          • cliff henny

            agree…but issue will wrinkle feathers-though I know what you mean. ’15 is fine, there’s moves on moves to clear cap, but Howie isn’t much more money into ’15 than already is allocated.

          • Adam G

            Yeah, seems like they will have to cut a lot of guys. They might have to restructure Shady as well, his contract is now over market value considering what RBs get paid. Same thing with Desean. He would get less on open market than he’s getting now. Celek, Casey, Demeco, Herremens, and 100% Trent Cole all will either get cut or take a huge pay cut

          • cliff henny

            don’t see why jax isn’t done this year. day it was signed both parties knew it would come up now. add C-Wills and Graham to list. plenty of space/moves. all that rollover gives is flexibility if one of those guys kills it, can work around/keep player.

          • Adam G

            Certainly would make sense to trade Jax now, take the cap hit when there is space, and collect a decent pick. Although unpopular with the fans, actually makes sense.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, not sure how current dead in renegos works, have to check on out. I figure something like 3 yrs 24m, with 12m guarantee should get cap hit to 8m/per, and absorb whatever dead is now. though I don’t know that for 100%. cant believe Howie structured deal where balance of dead isn’t easily worked around, the guy is an animal with these contracts

          • Adam G

            Was thinking exact same thing. The dead money can’t disappear, but it could be divided up even more in later years, I just don’t see how it could work with Desean. I guess they can give him roster bonus guaranteed money and just push out the signing bonus dead money even further with more years, but him taking less money is not a scenario I see happening.

          • cliff henny

            was paying attention to Ware. Dallas was on hook for 12m dead, 16m cap, his salary was similar to jax’s current situation, no guarantees. the lowest he could renego his salary to was 8m since that made cap hit and dead same at 12m. since d-jax dead is 6m, think as long as eagles give salary for ’14 above that, all is fine. again, not 100% sure.

          • Adam G

            Two different things, what they can do and what he will accept. I feel like Desean will overestimate his value on the open market and force the Eagles to cut him if they can’t trade him. But the fact they have so much cap space this year makes me think that trading him this year might actually happen, especially if they get a decent pick/picks.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, you and i would go 15 rounds on trading d-jax. i cant even crack that door in my head.
            .
            yes, jax handled ’10 awfully, but was also ferociously underpaid. when they got to table, he took fair deal. think 8-9m is fair, he wants some guaranteed money, 8m for him think is very fair. guy is limited, give detractors that, but what he does well,he does about as well as anyone in league. know that Kelly has Sproles to be 2nd movable chess piece, think jax will be even bigger weapon.

          • GEAGLE

            McLane took his smart pills this morning: “if Chip has a problem with Deseans size, then why did he trade for 5’6 190lb Sproles?”

          • cliff henny

            ha, great point, put him back in my twitter follows

          • Andy124

            Chip is only ok with having 1 little guy. Now that he has Sproles, DJ must go. It’s obvious isn’t it?

            Seriosly though, I’ll believe there’s anything to the DJ trade bs after he gets traded. Like, 3 days after. Just to be safe.

          • Will

            Man they finally get someone else to worry about on Offense which should open things up for DeSean and they talk of trading him…I want to see Sproles, DJax and Shady on the Field together what a nightmare to cover those 3 not to mention the 2 guys you put out there with them….like Cooper/Ertz

          • GEAGLE

            Can’t we give out a Talib deal..a Multi year smoke screen, which is basically a front loaded, 1yr 11.5mil deal, and next year cut the player, or extend and restructure?

          • cliff henny

            sure, a true 1 yr or Howie special #1, 2 yr with 2nd having no dead or off-set language.
            .
            being that eagles are at 140m for sal in ’15, i’ll bet 10-12m is rolled over, just for flexibility reasons. have draft, that’s about 8m. so, not that much left. still think jax gets corrected (4m relief guessing) and anyone coming in will send someone out, like Casey TE

          • NickS1

            Ouch

          • cliff henny

            ha, you and adam make 3…isn’t that a song at the end of swingers?

          • NickS1

            Haven’t watched that in a while. Probably have to add that to the post-op movie list. Just watched Trainspotting.

          • Ark87

            Can we restructure some contracts to pay some of next year’s cap money this year? Anything we can’t carry over that is.

          • cliff henny

            not really. eagles don’t write contracts/structure cap like that. eagles create space by paying higher yearly salary/limiting dead money exposure. by time contract gets to restructurable state -not a word, eagles could just cut them. reason cowboys restructure so many is the dead money is high while cap hit is high. see, they squeeze all these contracts in by paying very little yearly salary, put pay all into bonuses that last forever as dead money. then, restructure and push bonus money into those back end yrs (know how we say ‘he’ll never see X yr, well, they see those and them some in dallas).
            .
            hope that isnt to convoluted. if you were sitting next to me and I could do it showing math, be much better.

          • Ark87

            So lets Use an example to help. I don’t have an in depth understanding of how these contracts work, so bear with me if you have the patience (if not that’s cool too, ignorance is bliss, no the Eagles can’t do that is good enough, I’m just curious). I’m looking at Shady’s 2015 #’s http://www.eaglescap.com/Players/LeSeanMcCoy.html.

            cap# set to be about 12 mill next next season. 9.75 is base salary, 1.7 is proration and .5 from his signing bonus being spread over the course of his contract (if I’m understanding that right).

            is it possible to say move a bunch of his base salary to this year to go onto this year’s cap. Isn’t it theoretically plausible to only have a cap hit of 2.2 mill instead of 12mill?

          • Adam G

            In theory they can do that, but there isn’t much precedent for that. His salary would be almost 18 mil. If he gets hurt this year that would be an awful move.

          • Ark87

            depends doesn’t it? Either way his base salary would add up to 17.4 mill between 14 and 15. The real risk, and I cringe to even bring up this hypothetical at even the most academic level, would be in the event of a Leonard Weaver type situation, we basically would lose out on the possibility of cutting him and saving the 9.75 mill on his ’15 salary right? Essentially the gamble would be that we are almost 100% sure shady would still be on the team in ’15. Or am I missing something?

          • Adam G

            Yeah, as much as you are looking at the cap, financially it doesn’t make sense to pay somebody 2 years worth of salary.

          • Ark87

            lol, this is why I’m not in charge. I’d do it in a heartbeat to free up some space for ’15. Assuming I’m in a place where we’ve got more cap space than we can carry over to ’15, I’d rather invest it into shady, and making room for the ’15 cap than force it onto some scrubs because it’s money we’re going to lose if we don’t spend it.

          • cliff henny

            restructuring doesn’t change salaries of following yrs. what you are doing is turning ’14 into vet min plus 10m bonus. you then take the bonus and divide that up by balance of yrs contract, inshady’s case 3,so add 3.333m dead and cap hit for the following yrs. kicking the can down the road

          • Adam G

            He’s talking about moving salary into this year. The opposite of what the cowboys do.

          • cliff henny

            ah, shouldn’t be on phone at same time. yeah, that’s just accounting, could take payout bonuses to any newly signed guy guys like peters and excellerate bonus, take bigger cap hit. no need to mess with all other stuff.

          • Ark87

            so you can’t kick ’15’s salary up the road to 14, period

          • cliff henny

            sorry, i misread, went other way. thought you wanted to do dallas deal. i guess you could, but no reason. could just take all of peter’s bonus, then he’d have no dead. do that with any player who has prorated bonus taking dead money over cap. like cole or Williams, move ’15 dead into this yr since have space and when cut gives more room next yr.

          • cliff henny

            some serious outside box thinking

          • Ark87

            nicest way of saying “daz whack” ever, lol. I need to stick to the x’s and o’s

          • cliff henny

            your math is correct. that’s what cowboys do. take guarantee, reduce it to vet minimum pay, turn difference in bonus and spread that over balance of contracts life and jack those added years’ dead money up. cowboys create ‘load yrs’ because they plan on doing it, or at least need the option since JJ hatchet jobs the cap so much. in your example, basically add 3,33m of dead to every yr of shady’s contract. dallas does that and load yrs, look at Romo’s contract, see they drop all of restructures into 1 yr, then when that dries up, start spreading…mean, it’s messed up. take 3 yr 60m contract and turn it into 5yr 100m contract cause your accounting sucks.
            .
            the difference is need. if eagles need space, they structure contracts so they can just cut the guy. basically paying higher salary means reducing dead money exposure. like cole, they could restructure-make no sense-but by paying salaries and decreasing dead money, they’ve created cuttable situation. cole is 4.8 dead this year or 3.2m next. could june 1st him, clear 4.8m in ’14 and 8m in ’15. reason why teams restructure is cause they have no other choice. restructuring is a terrible cap management system, and why i love JJ so much in a blind hatred kind of way

    • Adam G

      Take a look at eagles cap situation for 2015 though. It’s not that pretty. You can check out overthecap to see everything. Desean’s cap number is huge.

      • GEAGLE

        ….. ……..

        • Adam G

          Seriously, let me know the problem you have with actual info, not made up pipe dream scenarios. Did you even look? Or is that too much thinking for you?

      • Token

        But DeSeans number is bigger this year than it is next year.

        Maybe think just a little, like you said.

        Next year with cuts about 41 million of currently allocated money comes off the books. In addition to that, the cap will likely rise quite a bit.

        There is no problems with the 2015 cap. Its a myth.

        • Adam G

          It’s slightly bigger, but Eagles have room in 2014. It’s not a “myth”. Desean’s contract def has a bullseye on it because of his number. Not many WRs in NFL getting paid like that.

          • Token

            Not saying his contract doesnt need worked if they are keeping him.

            But thats not the point you tried to make.

            2015 has no cap problems. Dont fall for the scare tactics. The Eagles will have a ton of room next year too. A few weeks ago I ran down all the likely cuts and how much money they wont then be paying out. It comes to about 41 million dollars and thats factoring in dead money.

            The Eagles are, as always, in great cap shape. They are contenders once again for a cap bowl championship.

          • Adam G

            Yeah, but they have to fill all those spots. My point is having 25 mil now, considering 2015, not much they can do. Its obvious why they are trying to trade Desean. Take the cap hit now, get some picks in return. Makes a lot of sense.

          • Token

            Those spots wont be filled with nearly that expensive of guys, if you look at who will be cut. They will likely have 15 mil at least throughout this season. And can carry cap forward in 2015. Its actually possible they can be in better cap position next year that they are this year before signing guys like Foles.

            Even after signing their own guys, they will be swimming in cap space.

          • Adam G

            Of course they won’t, but my point is the cap space this year is misleading in terms of next year. Just don’t come at me about thinking, I’m not a mindless poster. No need to come after me, I’m actually one of the guys looking a little ahead.

  • cliff henny

    oh, more Cowboys misery. one free agent that was at some point any decent is gone. Wesley Woodward signed with Titans. that defense is going to be atrocious

    • GEAGLE

      I like Jason hatcher! Good player, but wtf are the redskins paying big money to 32year olds? New coach, same old redskins, no concept of BUILDING!! They are like the annoying relative who always thinks they know a short cut, but always end up getting you lost in the woods ..
      .
      There signing of Hatcher just proved that nothing has changed, and they are as clueless as always…our “competition” won’t ever be relevant, til they blow those 3 teams up, take their time, and build it the right way, and two of those owners clearly have no patience for building the right way, but until they do, they will just keep adding to our head start in the division

      • cliff henny

        ‘skins are the posting child for ‘no focus/no direction’. say what you want about signings, but at least eagles are all pulling in 1 directions. from Lurie to the shoe shine boy, Kelly has these guys in line

        • GEAGLE

          Absolutely…there just isn’t any Ryme or reason to what the skins do…I don’t know who is more screwed up, the skins addition of free agents. Or the cowboys coaching structure lol the holy trinity meets the 3 stooges..HC, passing game coordinat, run game coordinator? How the F does anyone think that’s a good idea?

          • cliff henny

            scotch. long live JJ
            .
            funniest part of whole dual run/pass OC is it doesn’t matter. they each call a play to Garrett, who picks one, tells Wade Wilson who relays it into Romo. then, Romo calls whatever the F he wants to anyways.

          • Tikkit

            “Trips right slide 18 X laser”
            -Romo
            Translation: Interception.

  • Will

    Now the Daily Kickalicous video…Alex Henry is my vote for new whipping boy….love the sound track as well Go Eagles…

    • RIP illa

      Still can’t hold a candle to Matthews in my book, but he’s getting close.

      • Will

        Matthews is no harm on the bench hence Henry has more effect on the outcome of a game….

    • jcwhy

      Kick, Kick, Kick-a-Delphia.. i mean Kick-a-Licious!!!

  • Stephen Stempo

    By extension this makes the Sopoaga signing last year look far better.

  • Richard Colton

    Eagles in trips-right. Mike Evans and Riley Cooper on the LOS. Sproles lined up right behind them. Defensive coordinator soils himself. Coach contemplates time-out. Free Safety wishes he had gone into the family business.

    Foles fakes the bubble screen, then finds Ertz all alone on the other end of the field. TD.

    • cliff henny

      UMMM, had me at Mike Evans!!!

    • Token

      Hmmmm, I notice you didnt include Jackson in your scenario. Do you know something that we dont?

      • Richard Colton

        He’s the deep threat on the left. Can’t teach speed!

  • Will

    Calvin Pryor if he falls to #22

    OVERVIEW
    2013: First Team All-American Athletic Conference. Played and started 12 games. Suspended for game against Memphis for violating an unspecified team rule. Second on team with 75 tackles. 2012: Second Team All-Big East. Started all 13 games. Second on team with 100 tackles. Led team with five FF. 2011: Played in 13 games, started the final seven. High School: No. 31 safety nationally (Rivals). Also played running back.

    ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Very good instincts. Physical, lights-out hitter (see second defensive snap of UCF game). Very aggressive running the alley and seeks to make his presence felt in the run game. Sacrifices his body. Defensive tempo-setter. Made a spectacular, one-handed INT vs. UCF. Good pre-snap recognition — makes adjustments. Explosive tackler. Can leverage the field off the hash and cover ground. Good zone recognition. Rangy enough to play center field. Carries a swagger and plays with confidence.

    WEAKNESSES Plays with too much reckless abandon and lacks discipline playing the cutback. Takes some bad angles and can be outflanked to the perimeter. Average production on the ball. Is not asked to play a lot of mancoverage.BOTTOM LINE A big, physical, hammering run defender brings an enforcer mentality to the box and an intimidating, punishing presence to the back end. Is arguably the most violent hitter in this year’s draft class and should make his presence felt readily in the pros.-Nolan Nawrocki

    • Token

      Dude, we all have access to many many many sites that tell us this stuff. No need to clog the comments with copy and paste.

      • Will

        was bored everyone went to lunch…lol….was wondering if Pryor falls to #22 do the Eagles grab him or go else where….

        • Token

          Id hope they go elsewhere. Pryor is a 2nd round talent maybe. Stiff kid. Throws shoulders instead of wrapping up. Not very good in coverage.

          hes the typical fan favorite prospect because he has big hits on youtube.

          • Will

            Think we are set at Safety or do we add another? If so who?

          • Token

            Well we certainly are not. But we just wont be this year. They keep making it clear they dont value the position. Now I think thats really 5-10 years ago type football thinking. But thats how they think.

            So I think we will just keep seeing a rotation of bums through that position until they step in shit with some middle round pick that actually turns out to be a player.

            I dont think they would ever consider a 1st round S. They had that chance last year with a much better prospect and passed.

          • Will

            LMAO….afraid your spot on…lol….thanks made my day…lol…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            He’s a little better in “coverage” than you’re giving him credit for. I assume you mean man coverage. He’s a good zone coverage guy with really good instincts to get to the play & will jar some balls loose. He just wasn’t asked to play “man” coverage much, if really at all.

            For those that want to look at Pryor a bit deeper than just a highlight reel, you can watch the Sugar Bowl in its entirety on YouTube. You will surely also notice Marcus Smith as well. I actually had to basically watch twice. Once to eye Smith, once to eye Pryor. Although remember that it’s not exactly easy to get a full on look at the secondary with typical TV camera angles. But you’ll see Pryor making plays in the secondary, coming up against the run and also blitzing in that game. No man coverage though that I noticed.

          • Token

            People will come to different conclusions sometimes, especially on safety play. I see a wreckless kid who doesnt really play with very good instincts. I wouldnt trust him in any coverage. He is a box safety at this level IMO.

        • Tom W

          I hope not. He is more of a box safety and hasn’t been asked to cover in man in college or play two safety zone. more deep middle crashing up to make a big tackle. Maybe he projects to be good in man coverage, but it would merely be a projection. I don’t want to take the risk.

          Came in 3 inches shorter at combine and slower than scouts expected. Did nothing to wow.

          Not as good as vaccaro last year. I’d rather pass … big reason I didn’t want to go pupu platter in free agency.

          I think its more likely we wait on safety in draft for someone w athleticism and cover skills … like a dontae johnson in the 5th or if buchanon fell to the third which he wont.

    • James Skip Carl

      Doesn’t fit our scheme

  • Will

    Deone Buccanon …

    OVERVIEW
    2013: First-team All-American and first-team All-Pac-12 selection. Was a finalist for the Jim Thorpe Award. Started in all 13 games. 2012: Second-team All-Pac-12 pick. Played in all 12 games with 11 starts. 2011: Played in all 12 games with 11 starts. 2010: Played in all 12 games with eight starts. High school: Also earned four letters on golf team.

    ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Reads run and drops downhill quickly. Has an old-school mentality — likes contact and is a physical tackler (seeks to punish the ball carrier). Led the Pac-12 in tackles. Covers kicks and has an ideal mentality for special teams. Four-year starter and three-time captain.WEAKNESSES Average speed — struggles to recover from missteps and will not track anyone down from behind. Some tightness in his hips. Man-coverage limitations (struggles to match with slot receivers). Can be overaggressive and miss tackles. Does not always arrive under control in space. Misjudges angles.

    BOTTOM LINE Although he’s built like a cornerback, Bucannon’s style of play makes it easy to identify him as a tone-setting strong safety. Has coverage limitations, but brings the aggressiveness and physicality to carve a niche as a downhill box defender and core special-teams player.-Nolan Nawrocki

    • GEAGLE

      Eagles like what they saw at Bucannons pro day yesterday and have scheduled him to come in for a private visit…Jenkins,Wolff,Bucannon would really make me feel much better about our safety future ..then having Chung, Phillips and Nate Allen…then again I think Andy,rich Colton and Cliff Henney would make me feel more comfortable about our safety future then last years 3’stooges :)

      • Richard Colton

        I’ve got closing speed. Hands like the kid in the burger king commercial though, Kelly would hate me.

        • Andy124

          I’ll decleat some mf’ers, but only if they promise to run right to me.

          • aub32

            He left me completely out of the group.

          • Andy124

            Maybe you’re not tall enough?

      • Token

        Is he a middle round guy? If not dont get your hopes up. This team hates safeties.

      • cliff henny

        i’d NEVER EVER catch anyone, but would throw my stone head in the hole!

  • Will

    Nolan Nawrocki
    Senior editor
    Pro Football Weekly
    Email: nnawrocki@pfwmedia.com
    Not long after making his first and final tackle for the Illini in the old millennium, the former safety turned linebacker figured out his weight-room numbers were not going to transfer to the field and put his master’s degree to use by walking on at Pro Football Weekly, where he largely became a grunt for PFW’s legendary, one-of-a-kind talent evaluator Joel Buchsbaum. When Buchsbaum unexpectedly passed, Nawrocki slowly began morphing into his diminutive predecessor, not only authoring three draft publications each year, but watching a 400-pound bench press shrivel as he spends the majority of his time evaluating college and pro talent, working the phones tirelessly to gather information and chasing his three young kids. Instead of Buchsbaum’s nasally Brooklyn accent, however, the native South Side Chicagoan could be confused with an extra in “The Untouchables” on the airwaves, serving as a senior editor and NFL insider for PFW. He is also one of 51 voters for the Butkus Award.

    • Tikkit

      Not sure what this adds to the discussion.

      • Will

        was bored thought I’d check out who was scouting and found it was a former Safety..Love my Safeties miss Andre Waters, Hopkins, Dawk type Safeties of the past…we got rid of everyone but Wolff off the roster at Safety still think they add one more….I think it gives more weight to the evaluations…..

    • RIP illa

      Lol. Did you just do a scouting report on a guy that does scouting reports??? Will, I think you’re due for a draft intervention!!!!

      • cliff henny

        ok, that’s funny

  • Bullwinkle

    I am concerned about Brees underthrowing Sproles twice. Makes me wonder if he is truly the franchise QB and whether the Saints will draft another QB this year. (That’s probably what the Philly press will be writing about Foles for as long as he’s in Philly.)

    • Andy124

      They should mortgage the draft to move up and take Logan Thomas.

      • Richaud Jeaffreson

        Don’t think they would have to move up to take him. Dude is a project.

        • Andy124

          I could not possibly have been more facetious.

    • aub32

      Foles has had one good season. Why do some of you act like he is beyond criticism? The kid will start again next season and show us all if he can repeat his performance against some of the best teams in the game. Win the NFCE in 2014. Win or at least have a good showing in a playoff game. Then fans and media will give him a lot more slack.

      • Bullwinkle

        I just think the media has gone a little overboard in questioning whether Foles is the long term answer. Reminds me of the Mike Schmidt comment that Philly is the city where you enjoy the thrill of victory and the agony of reading about it in the press the next day.

        • aub32

          The questions are warranted though. Despite the terrific stats that he was able to put, the fact remains that he had poorer showings in the last 2 games, which were both essentially playoff games. Foles should have crushed Dallas. Yet, his play leaves the door open for some to say that had Romo played, then we would have lost. Also, I don’t want to hear the nonsense about it being a division game. This was not the AR coached Eagles that the cowboys had seen over the previous 14 years. Dallas should not have Foles’ number this early into his career. Hopefully he will show that he can play big in big games in 2014. Until then, there will remain skeptics that question the mistakes that proven QBs get a pass on.

          • TNA

            Sproles gives Foles the safety valve he needed last year. Especially on 3rd down and in short-field situations near the goal line. The only problem Foles should have next season is making the right read in terms of risk-reward and doing a distribution that keeps everybody happy (read: DJax) and in the game.

          • aub32

            I agree. I said something very similar in a post yesterday about the Sproles acquisition. Foles has an O line and possibly the league’s best set of weapons. The only thing that can stop him is his he can’t handle the big moments i.e. (Andy Dalton) I can’t wait to see this offense in action.

          • Kev_H

            Foles has been on the team for 2 years. When he starts they are 9-7, without him 5-11. And it’s my understanding the other QB is a Hall of Famer, so enough said. The Eagles are cellar dwellers without Foles.

          • aub32

            Hahaha ok guy. Last I checked, Brees doesn’t play defense. Also, he underperformed in Dallas. What’s your excuse there? He also has yet to beat one playoff team. (GB w/o Rodgers is not a playoff team). I don’t blame him for playing who was on the schedule. I am simply pointing out why he does not and should not be afforded the same benefit of the doubt as the HOFer that you were referring to.

          • Joe from Easton

            Is Vick the HOFer? If so, no. Just… no.

          • aub32

            Huh? I was referring to Brees. Did you not read the post? Where does Vick even enter this discussion? I think you may need to reread the entire exchange, because you are obviously lost.

          • Joe from Easton

            Yea, that’s my bad… all I caught was this..

            “Foles has been on the team for 2 years. When he starts they are 9-7, without him 5-11. And it’s my understanding the other QB is a Hall of Famer, so enough said. The Eagles are cellar dwellers without Foles.”

            I thought he meant that the “other QB” was the 5-11 QB in lieu of Foles (ie Vick). Whoops.

          • aub32

            It’s cool. People often insert Vick into every one of my arguments because I am a fan of the guy. However, contrary to the belief of some many of my posts have absolutely nothing to do with the guy. At least this time it was just an honest mistake.

          • Joe from Easton

            Really had nothing to do with you. You both said HOFer and I thought you were both nuts, lol. I don’t reference past statements when I write on here (unless you’re BBaaS or Dutch). I just respond to the moment.

          • Andy124

            Actually, I pretty sure Kev_H’s “other QB is a Hall of Famer” was a snarky reference to Vick.

          • Joe from Easton

            So I was sorta right?

          • Andy124

            IMO, yes. Well, sorta.

          • aub32

            We can ask him. I read it as he was referring to Brees since Brees beat Foles in the playoffs. If I was mistaken then my apologies go out to Joe, but my point would be proven how posters bring up Vick for no reason.

          • Andy124

            It does support that point, yes.

            But only because all you ever talk about is Vick this and Vick that. ;)

          • aub32

            Smiley.

    • Kev_H

      Exactly what I was thinking. That would surely merit its own blog post and speculation on who Chip really wants taking the snaps if it were Foles. “Sure he had 3 TD passes, completed 70% of his passes, the team won and his passer rating was 135, but did you see that time Sproles was underthrown?” TM.

  • TNA

    With DJax and Sproles both options to go into motion, would defenses be better off in man coverage than zone coverage?

    Also, instead of Riley being the receiver on a triple stack, I can’t wait to see Sproles in that role. DeSean isn’t bad, but I’ll bet Sproles is more productive out of that set.

    • GEAGLE

      Pick their poison, they are equally screwed…just don’t know how teams could have 3 defenders that can contain shady,Sproles and Desean.Ertz is poised to grow into another mismatch nightmare…we may play a team with an exceptional safety, but he can’t cover both Ertz and Sproles..there will always be mismatches to exploit…Coop will be getting one on one coverage to out jump DBs all year… If Mac is actually the player he used to be! how the hell can you cover all these weapons??Seattle historically awesome defense I’m not sure has enough man power to shut down all our options. If our OL keeps Seattles front 7 off FOles, watch Seattles defense get shredded…
      ..
      On top of everything Chip is going to add a serious athlete like KB,OBJ, Mathews,Devante, Moncrief….maybe he also adds a tough Hines Ward type in round 4, thanks to Jarvis Landrys horrible combine…so many weapons to create mismatches, Chip must have a smile from ear to ear

      I’d love to see us trade down from 22 to 28th, draft OBJ and get an extra 4th that we use on Landry..,essentially turning the 22nd pick into the two LSU boys who are offensive weapons, and scary return men…(doubt there are many defenders I want him with the 22nd pick anyway)

      • GEAGLE

        Who the hell needs a mobile QB when you have a smart, accurate QB, who spreads the ball around and you sorround him with an arsenal of:
        Shady
        Sproles
        Desean
        Maclin
        Cooper
        Landry
        OBJ
        Ertz
        Celek
        “?????
        If you can’t put serious pressure on our QB AND shut down our run game, prepare for a similar STORM we hit the bears with

        • TNA

          I just pray to god our OL holds up. Nagging injuries, ok. Our guys are beasts (see: J.Peters). But freak injuries, hell no.

      • TNA

        Yeah, at this point, you could tell the defense what you’re running and still be able to attack with success.

        • RIP illa

          That’s pretty much what Kelly said he was gonna do from the beginning. All those quotes about not reinventing the wheel and being complex.

  • Jeff Asay

    Spores not just a one year rental, bitches!

    • Javi Echie

      Yup three year extension.

    • Ark87

      wow, we reeeeaaaally like Sproles. I’m all in on the pick-up then.

    • GEAGLE

      Shouldn’t have been a surprise

  • RIP illa

    Sproles extended for 2 more years after this one! They better be playing him more as a WR than back.

    • GEAGLE

      Dude..forget RB. We added Wes Welker!!! Great move. Expected, but happy that Sproles obviously likes where he was traded and we don’t have to feel the wrath of the Compton Curse

      • RIP illa

        That’s the point I’m pretty much trying to make. Just change the position on the official roster and then the trade makes WAY more sense, especially for those who hade a problem with it. 4 legit WRs now and a bunch of leftovers (who I’m not stoked about) that need to prove themselves in camp!

        • Andy124

          Now Momah HAS to make the team, to keep our average height up.

          • aub32

            I thought that was the point of signing Braman

          • Andy124

            No, he was brought in to fill Azzarino’s requirement for more violence. Get with the program aub.

          • aub32

            I figured it was both. Sorry

          • Andy124

            I forgive you.

  • Adam G

    Birds extended Sproles 2 more years

  • Andy124

    Sproles extended through 2016 – per other posters here who you’ve already read it from.

    • RIP illa

      As always…hilarious. Never knew someone could have great comedic timing via the interwebz!!!

  • RC12Eaglesfan

    I really wish people would stop complaining about this 5th round pick. A lot more is gonna be done before the draft. Last I checked franchises aren’t built on 5th rounders. Trades for picks are still likely in the future. I mean really what fan base complains about a 5TH ROUND PICK!!?

    • GEAGLE

      Great chance that 5th or the 4th would have been used on improving our CB depth, we lost a 5th and immediately added Nolan Carrol who is much safer then drafting a 5th round CB…heck I wanted Terrence Mitchell in round 4 or 5..instead we added Sproles and Nolan Carroll? No harm, no foul in my eys

      • RC12Eaglesfan

        I agree so far I think we are building the right way. Things are just warming up. Chip Kelly is a win now kinda of coach. After May has passed us Eagle fans will be pleaseed with our team.

    • Cheesesteak

      Let me preface this by saying I’m fully on board with the move and think that giving up a 5th round pick for Sproles is a steal. That being said, Trent Cole, Riley Cooper, Brent Celek, and Earl Wolff were all 5th round picks who still play prominent roles. So don’t be so quick to write off a 5th rounder.

      • aub32

        Now another 5th round pick just landed us Darren Sproles. We are 5th round assassins.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      and we still have our original 5th round pick… we traded soapaoga and a 5th for darren sproles.

  • GEAGLE

    2pm, head to PE.xom for live intro press conference of Darren and Nolan..PS, let’s hope Les Bowan doesn’t Embarress us and as Darren some silly crap about his wife. Don’t want to ruin this joyous celebratory press conference by Mrs. Sproles shanking Les

  • GEAGLE

    Hahahahahahaha Dallas has interest in Henry Melton and Julius Peppers..of course they do

    • aub32

      At least they will still have big names wearing the star. Who cares about talent. Cowboy fans just need something to talk about to distract from the fact they have been .500 or below the last 4 years.

      • GEAGLE

        If a dysfunctional teams signs Julius peppers, he will make them pay a ton, kick his feet up and do nothing. You better have a strong coach, established quality veteran locker room that is seriously competing for a SB…if Peppers goes to a team like the Seahawks he will look awesome again..if he goes to a team like the cowboys, he will be a shell of his former self..

        Why are snyder and Jerry so dumb? If you are going to not make the playoffs, lose with a young team that has a chance of improving and eventually being a winner…instead they just keep doing the same dysfunctional retooling on the fly, and they just keep running in quicksand. It’s the equivalent of the sixers being stuck at the #8th seed in the playoffs for a decade with no hope of getting over the hump.

        Cowboys have sucked for over a decade, when is that idiot going to realize that if you blow it up, start building,from the ground up with young playes, you will sacrifice a season or two and then be good again, yet he can’t bare the thought of sacrificing a season to build the right way. It’s like a kid who you try to make eat his vegetables because they are good for him, but he just refuses to the point where everyone’s like, ok don’t eat the damn vegetable…how can you be so bad for so long and not even attempt to do something different? If that’s not delusional insanity egomania, then what the hell is?

        • Andy124

          They must dine with RAJ.

        • aub32

          What are you talking about? Are you telling me that Jason Garrett isn’t a strong Hea…….Well their locker room is full of veterans leaders. There’s DeMar….I mean Mile…..Jason Hat…..Ok ok, but what about Dez? He’s perfectly capable of being a lea….I mean a role mod…..Well that still doesn’t mean they aren’t a winning team. Just last year they went….well the year before they….ugh ….the year before that………………………….I wish to withdraw my first sentence.

          • cliff henny

            Romo’s the leader. hope whoever eagles draft as OLB is one to put that back out of it’s misery once and for all

    • Andy124

      Probably a question for cliff, but can they sign them and screw up their cap even more, is it more like a Casey Matthews has interest in being as good as his brother type hilarity?

      • cliff henny

        have to see what they do with dez t-smith and murray. there’s PLENTY of time for jerry to mess up that cap. it’s in shambles this year. have to wonder if dallas will take year off with Romo being on the clock. right now, ’15 isn’t as horrible as it has been, but not even sure they are fielding SEC quality defense.

    • cliff henny

      why wouldn’t they…oh, forget get it…LONG LIVE JJ!

      • James Skip Carl

        He’s my second favorite owner

    • RC12Eaglesfan

      They played under Cowboys new DC Marinelli in 2012. No surprise here. Prepare for comedy.

  • GEAGLE

    Great, just looked up at my TV, NFL network is on and the first thing I see is Mcnabb fumbling the ball away in the Super Bowl…smh

    • aub32

      It’s dynasty month and this is patriot week. I gave up watching NFL network a while ago, but I still listen to the podcasts.

      • GEAGLE

        Oh god..patriot week. Thanks for the heads up. What a disgusting joke

        • aub32

          I was listening to Dave interview 2 former Pats. I found it so hilarious how he danced around spy gate because you could tell it would have made things so awkward.

          • RIP illa

            None of them and sports reporters even acknowledge that and how their SB wins should all have an *. Pisses me off to no end.

          • aub32

            Their fans are even worse. One mention of it and they act like children and start spewing off stats while putting their finger in their ear. Or they get a sudden case of amnesia. “What scandal? Who cheated?”

            EDIT:

            I guess it’s easy to have a dynasty when you have rules changed in your favor and are allowed to cheat. Where was the Sean Peyton like punishment when Belicheck got caught? Actually spying on other teams gives a far more significant competitive advantage than telling them to go out and hit hard.

          • RIP illa

            100% agree!!! The only thing I like that has anything to do with The Pats is Wilfork!!!

          • aub32

            Well hopefully he won’t have anything to do with the Pats for much longer.

    • Adam G

      Color me shocked you are watching TV at 2 pm.

      • GEAGLE

        Some people have nice cushy offices and are allowed to leave their TV on for much of the day….must suck to hand out fries at mc-D’s…the fact that you can’t envision such a thing, tells me you most likely have some crappy job with the man up your ass…my boss is a 92yr old who barely speaks or comes to work lol

        • Adam G

          Sure sure. I in fact have a nice cushy office. But you can go ahead and make up any narrative you like.

          • GEAGLE

            If you had a nice cushy office, your mind wouldn’t go straight…nvmd. What ever you say boss. Enjoy

        • Richard Colton

          It’s that time of year…

          • RIP illa

            Are those that great? Never tried one.

          • Richard Colton

            Shamrock shake? you haven’t lived

        • Token

          Yea I bet your bedroom makes a nice office.

          • Adam G

            Nah, I think its a basement.

          • GEAGLE

            Says the joke of a man, with way too many BITCH tendencies lol

        • Joe from Easton

          Usually I like what you have to say, but this ain’t right. The common denominator among all of us is that we are Eagles fans. No need to take pot shots at people because of your personal income method.

          p.s.

          No, I don’t work at McDonald’s.

      • aub32

        Unnecessary my dude. Let’s keep it football.

        • Adam G

          I kept it to football, then was attacked by him. Just giving it right back. Apparently he doesn’t like to be questioned about his “free agent list” or the fact he seems to literally take credit for eagles moves.

          • aub32

            I’m not sure what happened prior to me seeing your TV post. Personally I don’t care. I just don’t want this comment section turning into what I see at PFF

          • Adam G

            Understandable. But when multiple people have problems with one guy, its most likely that one person’s fault. Just saying.

    • cliff henny

      was so hammered, didn’t realize till couple days later final score wasn’t 24-14

  • cliff henny

    awesome…i get to Johnny Geagle myself…told ya they’d extend sproles