Wake-Up Call: The Shadow Of the 2012 Draft

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When Howie Roseman was asked last week whether the team was still in position to be aggressive in free agency given the extensions he handed out to current players, the Eagles’ GM offered a short response.

“Yes,” he said.


But before the next question was asked, Roseman clarified.

"It will affect other things going forward, but yes."

It doesn't take a detective to figure out what those other things going forward are. In fact, they have names: Nick Foles, Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks and Brandon Boykin. You'll notice the common thread among those four players is that they were members of the Eagles' 2012 draft class.

Three other members of that class - Vinny Curry, Bryce Brown and Dennis Kelly - are on the roster still also.

Remember the Jason Kelce extension the team announced last week? Multiply that by two or three or four or more and you'll get a good idea of why Roseman is so keen on maintaining financial flexibility going into the 2015 offseason.

Asked if there's a number of carry-over space he's shooting for, Roseman said: "There’s a number that we’d like to have. But at the same time, if we found some players on the free agent market or a player on our team that we felt like the value was right to do a deal now, we would do it. But we’re certainly not gonna mortgage the future in 2014 and have to be in a situation where we’re cutting multiple players on our roster to get under [the cap]."

The reason the Eagles only handed out one extension to the 2011 class is because that draft was a disaster (Danny Watkins, Jaiquawn Jarrett, etc.).

"A lot has changed here since the 2011 season," Roseman said. "I don’t think that’s a secret. And so we’ve changed a lot of things here and I think that we’ve changed our philosophy starting with that offseason. ...We have a plan. And it’s not just for next season. It’s not just for 2015. It’s to try to set ourselves up to contend for awhile."

Foles is the big name. If he turns in a 2014 performance that's anywhere close to last year, his agent is going to be hitting Roseman up for an extension. Cox has played well, and he'd likely enjoy some more financial security too. Kendricks came on towards the end of 2013, and Boykin has emerged as one of the best play-making nickel corners in the game.

The Eagles' overall philosophy (like most good teams) is to build through the draft and hold on to young talent. Free agency is for filling holes and identifying value.

"I think we have a good sense of how we want to build it in the next few years, and that complete picture may not come right now at this moment," Roseman said. "But we have an idea of what we want to do this offseason, and obviously these signings are part of it.

"Our job is to get good players on the field. And so we want as many good players as we can. But it’s been piecing the puzzle together and making sure it can fit and that we’re not in a situation in the coming years where we have to cut players because we don’t have room."

This is "lying season" in the NFL. Coaches, GMs, agents and players are all looking out for their best interests. We'll find out four days from now whether Roseman plans on surprising everyone and making a splash. But if the Eagles follow their blueprint from a year ago, the 2012 draft class and the 2015 offseason will be a big reason why.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Our free agency preview continued with four outside linebackers who could fit the Eagles' needs.

Mailbag: On Vinny Curry as a trade chip, the possibility of Nate Allen returning and more.

Weighing in on the DeSean Jackson rumors.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Rumors about Michael Vick's future are all over the map. But there's at least one All-Pro running back who wouldn't mind teaming up with him:

NFL.com, meanwhile, has Vick on their list of 10 players who figure to get overpaid in free agency:

Vick wants to start. There are several openings in which he could get that chance (Jets, Vikings, Raiders, etc.). Bringing Vick in to compete for a starting job necessitates paying him more than your average tutor. I don't think Vick will break the bank, but to pay him for six games only to subsequently play big brother to your future quarterback is a mistake. Any multiyear, more-than-an-average-backup salary is too much for Vick, regardless of how much some franchise players stomp for his signing.

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  • cheapmeat

    Having Vick and AD on the same team would be scary…

    Until Vick gets hurt

    • NickS1

      Maybe. Depends on the offense they tried running. Forget what coach the hired.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Zimmer, he knows Vick well, he’s not running the offense tho Norv Turner is and he doesn’t really fancy himself with running QBs..

        • GEAGLE

          After Vick got a taste of chips offense, I don’t know why in the world he would want to sign with traditional old farts like marty and Norv….as if Vick ever belonged in a west coast offense…

          • G_WallyHunter

            Haha ya no crap.. who knows we’ll see, maybe no team offers him huge money and he opts to return because his family and community ties to here, that’d be great lol

          • Jeff Asay

            Ugh, hope you’re wrong about Vick coming back to Eagles. There’s something to be said for Foles just knowing he’s the man. Even though they’re friends, it’s just different when it’s your team and the guy with clipboard only gets in the game if you’re with the trainers.

          • G_WallyHunter

            That’s exactly how it would be, I bet Nick and Mike both know that and most important of all, Chip probably does too

          • Jeff Asay

            Don’t you worry that if Nick misses two games and Vick plays well that Chip sticks with the hot hand? We know that doesn’t happen with Barkley and TBD.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Nope I think Foles has proved himself enough to be put right back in, although I’m sure Chip would have some fun with Vick for a few games, wouldn’t start him tho and bench the future for a stop gap back up, would be detrimental to team chemistry and what not

          • hokieduck

            Sorry folks. Nick Foles is not Chip’s QB of the future. He will not be starting two years from now, or before then depending on how things shake out. Foles is the bottleneck in the offensive machine that is Chip Kelly.

      • pjcostello

        Norv Turner is the offensive coordinator. They’re not a good pairing.

    • Token

      Its Vick. Why do people still equate that name with scary football player?

      • Uncle Wonder

        Because football players still think he is scary…you know…the ppl who are actually on the field?

        • Token

          Yea, defenses tremble in fear.

          • Uncle Wonder

            Lol, i sense sarcasm, but i believe they do in some form. There are many reasons not to want Vick, but its undeniable he has ability when he is healthy

          • aub32

            It’s funny how you are so cynical now, even though you too were praising Vick after his first couple of games in CK’s offense. I don’t why him pairing with AP and a couple of good weapons on the outside would not be a concern for defenses. The guys still has more physical ability than almost any other QB in the league. Plus, if he can manage to stay healthy, his arm will be a huge asset playing outside in Minny during November and December. I know that’s a big if.

          • Token

            Put it this way. Im ecstatic Vick may play in the NFC.

            Whats really funny is how some of you still think the way you do about Vick after seeing him up close for years.

            Lol, still the same lines we have heard since the early 2000′s. “But but his physical ability!!!” “But um, if he could stay healthy!!!”

          • aub32

            He’s not what he used to be, but I think even you would admit he’s better than at least 12 of the starting QBs in the league. He is certainly an upgrade over what was in Minny last year. So I think he does indeed scare more defenses than the likes of Cassle, Ponder, and Freeman.

      • JofreyRice

        He can make highlight plays, and he can also make awful, awful mistakes in the course of one game; and that’s totally independent of his health. Up and down frenetic player. Never going to change that. After he’s been hurt for awhile, I think people just remember the highlight reel plays, and say “Oh, if he could only stay healthy”. He’s been plenty bad when he’s been healthy as a horse. Sometimes he just makes terrible decisions.

        • aub32

          What QB doesn’t. Eli, a 2 time SB MVP, has lead the league in INTs 3 times. Farve made some horrendous mistakes. So I don’t really get what you’re saying.

          • http://batman-news.com theedevilsadvocate

            um eli and favre are superbowl winners there is a big diff between them and vick. so i dont get what you are saying…

          • aub32

            While I’m at it, did you happen to watch Flaaco this season?

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Those guys all have rings. I imagine we’d feel way better about Vick if he (1) stayed healthy, as they all did, and (3) actually won a title before being mediocre the last decade.

          • aub32

            Mediocre for a decade? Come on? He didn’t win a title. I will give you that, but the dude was far from mediocre. He was one of the best QBs in ATL, albeit no in the conventional sense. I still say that he was good in 2011. I don’t get why fans blame him and not our defense lead by an O line coach. He is not one of the all time great, but the guy was a good QB most of his career. You don’t start as a QB for over a decade by being mediocre.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            we’ve talked about this at length. He’s had difficult environments/coaches/teams, sure. But playoff wins, career stats, and most of all injury history is just too damning.

            And i’m just as sure this will continue to be debated until the day he hangs up his cleats.

          • aub32

            I will not debate his injuries are indeed damning. However, just because he did not put up Manning like stats does not mean he wasn’t a good QB. Different does not equal bad. He was different. However, he made his team a contender despite having very little to work with in ATL. He then covered up a lot of warts in 2010 here. Then people expected the guy to walk on water in 2011. He put together a good season, but he isn’t in the Brady or Rodgers class that can win despite having one of the worst defenses in the league.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            And if Manning didn’t have 2 rings, he’d be nothing more than mediocre too and likely a risky sign if a FA and same age as Vick. Rings matter.

          • aub32

            Rings do matter. I wasn’t arguing they don’t. I was arguing that Vick is not a bad QB nor a bad move in FA, especially for the Vikings. I put Vick in the top 16, as he is at 16. Now granted I am putting him ahead of guys like A. Smith and Stafford, both of whom I am not sold. However, he is undoubtedly better than what 12 of the teams started at QB last year.

          • Jeff Asay

            Oh please, he didn’t get the moniker of coach killer for nothing. It was always about what if with him because of the highlight reel plays, howitzer arm, and blazing speed. He’s what Nolan Ryan would have been if never harnessed his control. People around the NFL kept waiting for the game to slow down for Vick where decision making matched talent. I was as excited as anyone after he ripped off that amazing stretch in 2010. But it didn’t happen for him. Maybe it does if he works hard in ATL from the start. Maybe it does if he doesn’t spend two years in the slammer. But it didn’t. He will always be remembered as a spectacular playmaker who couldn’t quite master the position of quarterback.

          • Eagles4Life

            EXACTLY

      • Maggie

        Maybe that flick of the wrist propelling the ball 60 yards downfield.

  • TNA

    Vick has been the consummate teammate over the past year and I wish him luck. Pairing him with AP will be interesting but Minny’s offensive line isn’t what it used to be. It should however help out AP and Patterson if they scheme it right. Run, run option, deep ball. I’d want to watch that team as a fan.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Agreed, would be plenty of fun. Jennings and Patterson and possibly a rookie WR with AP and Vick? Damn, all you can say to that.
      Oline would be the thing that holds it back yes, maybe they should take Robinson with that first pick?

    • aub32

      If they get Vick, then they could use other resources to beef up the O line. They have one of the 2 best RBs in the game right now. They have WRs. Their defense isn’t terrible. They would just need to use this draft to boost their O line and secondary. That’s completely doable.

      • dnabrice

        AP is undoubtedly THE best.

  • NickS1

    Questions:

    1) How much is Boykin really going to be able to command by being “one of the best play-making nickel corners in the game”?

    2) Does he even want to negotiate a new deal after the season if his biggest bargaining chip is being the best player who only plays 50-55% of the snaps?

    3) Does he get a shot at the outside this year?

    • Token

      The kid wants to start. I doubt he would sign here if that chance isnt coming. Many other teams would be willing to give him a shot.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Ya lets hope he just out competes one of the two on the outside and wins that spot this year, the eagles just have to find a good slot receiver to take his spot.. then we don’t have to discuss boykin leaving

    • aub32

      I would keep him at what he does best, but eventually pay him like a good #2 starter. He’s at too big a disadvantage when going against guys like Dez, Megatron, Julio and others. Plus, he’s so good in the slot that taking him out would be a significant down grade with whomever we put out there.

      • NickS1

        We don’t know if he’d struggle or not. There’s other 5’10″ corners who seem to do just fine and earn themselves mighty big paychecks.

        • Token

          Yea the majority of starting corners are close to 5’10. I think we talked about this a few weeks ago. But this thought that there a talented 6’1 corners all over the place is just wrong. People talk about wanting Verner, hes like the same size as Boykin.

          • knighn

            Truth. And the two biggest names at Safety in Free Agency 2014 are Byrd and Ward – both 5’10″.

        • aub32

          We know that he’s really good at what he does. Moving him outside leaves a hug hole in the middle of the field. Why take a guy away from what he’s good at. He’s also one of the best gunners in the league. Put him out there too much, and some part of his game is bound to suffer.

          • NickS1

            I don’t factor in him being a gunner. I just don’t. He’s not about to make his career on being a gunner. I think he has the potential to be a great outside, every down corner, so, again, I’m not too worried about him still being the gunner.

    • JofreyRice

      I seriously believe that in this passing league, teams would be licking their chops to have him as a starting corner. He’s 5’9–so what? Tim Jennings is 5’9. Alterraun Verner is about to get Paid at 5’10. I think you can throw the “nickel” out and just refer to him as a playmaking cornerback.

      • Token

        Imagine how frustrating it must be for the guy watching the Eagles trot out Cary Williams and Roc friggin Carmichael ahead of him because hes such a swell slot guy.

        I feel its weird thinking. Best players play right? Not 50% of the time. Ive said before, but you arent supposed to spend your career as a slot guy. Some may because they dont have what it takes to move. But thats generally where a guy starts. If he shows a high level of ability he gets a shot to start.

        The goal to find high level starters. If you may have found that in the 4th round why keep holding him back when you have dog food in front of him? I hope it isnt just because of the ridiculous size requirements Chip has. Skill over size. Cary has plenty of size but it doesnt stop him from getting burned.

        • NickS1

          I tend to lean toward this line of thinking as well, as opposed to “moving him to the outside weakens the slot CB spot more than it upgrades the outside CB spot”, or whatever that noise is.

          • Token

            Its kind of moronic IMO. You find another slot guy. You will usually always have young guys in the slot. Then hopefully they grow into more than that. We can sugar coat it, but Cary is as average of a player as you can get. He just is. And for all the worrying people do around here about money, nobody seems to care about the ridiculous salary that guy has.

            Maybe they dont do anything this year. But I like the idea of Boykin and Shields starting next year.

          • CJ

            Or when you go nickel, he goes in the slot and the 3rd CB goes outside. They wouldn’t be the only team to do that. Wouldn’t shock me to see that next year. I think it was more a factor of, give the kid a chance to get acclimated, and give him confidence to do something he’s great at for a year ebfore we throw too much at him. He’ll play outside, and he’ll get extended.

        • aub32

          This isn’t Madden. Boykin isn’t just some 82 RAT CB that can be placed anywhere. He has a specific skill set suited for the slot. He plays in the slot. He practices in the slot. The fact that he was a 4th round pick has nothing to do with it. In case you didn’t know, Roc was also a 4th round pick.

          Plus look at it this way if Fletch is on one side and Boykin on the other, whose in the slot? Patrick Chung. So yes there’s a huge gap between the 1st and 2nd slot guy. Also, you are being ridiculous if you think any young guy can be thrust into the slot and excel. That’s why players like Welker, Cobb, Cruz, and Kearse make so many plays abusing the nickel corner.

          • Token

            O bull.

            The kid can cover.

            You are telling me its a specific skill set and they just stay there, right? When a kid comes in and excels at the slot, he gets to work up to a starter. Thats how it works. You dont just say o this kid is good in the slot hes staying there. Thats moronic. There arent career slot guys at corner unless they dont have the skill to start outside. Simple as that.

            There is a entire offseason between last season and this season. They can find a slot corner. The idea that floats around this place that slot corner is some holy grail, impossible to find player is ridiculous. I dont get where it comes from. Maybe its just used to justify the starting of Cary Williams and Fletch, I dunno.

            As it stands now, they paid a crazy amount of money to Cary Williams. He fleeced Howie. So we are stuck with him til next year. Fletch is cheap and no dead money. But hes a better player than Cary. So you probably dont want to cut him.

            But after this season you need to find 2 corners. Is it Fletch and Boykin? Shields and Boykin? I dont know. What I can tell you is that Brandon Boykin, unless he collapses this year, will be a starter someplace. He wont resign here to be a 50-60% of the time player. Who can blame him? These guys dont love the Eagles. They dont stay for the hell of it. He wants to start, has shown the talent level to at least get a chance to start and someone will pay him as a starter.

            Whenever this argument comes up I cant help but laugh. Why are there people so strongly defending Boykin not progressing his career? This is a young, drafted, full of potential guy. Id hate to lose him because we feel the need to start two average guys we signed.

          • aub32

            First off, please show me all of these great slot corners in the NFL that were washed out outside corner guys. There aren’t very many corners that are great slot guys. That’s the truth.

            Second just because there haven’t been guys to come in as slot corners and stay slot corners doesn’t mean that’s not how the league will eventually turn. At one point the forward pass was considered this crazy thing. I know that’s an extreme example. However, I am sure you get the point I am making. Kelly is clearly an innovative coach. If he thinks the league is shifting to one where you need a designated slot corner, why would we not have one.

            Third, the decision for Boykin to stay will be about money, not playing time. He sees the field for about 50%-60% of the defensive snaps. That’s not a lot, but he also plays STs. He’s also happens to be a fan favorite in a pretty decent market. If he’s offered an extension next year at a #2 CB type money, do you really see him turning it down because he doesn’t get to play outside. Remember, he will still be under contract and being paid like a 4th round pick. I think he stays.

        • Maggie

          So take Boykin out of the slot. Who replaces him? Who, on the roster CAN replace him? You frequently say the OLine isn’t that important. A RB can be picked up off the street and now the DBacks are interchangeable. A person reading your posts would sometimes wonder why anybody bothers to play football at all.

  • GEAGLE

    Broncos didn’t tender return man Trindin holiday, for those who were into Hester yesterday

    • Dominik

      Not a big surprise, considering that they gave some of his duties to Decker in the playoffs. He’s explosive, but he did make some costly mistakes as well.

      Of course, I wouldn’t have a problem with signing a good return man. I don’t like D-Jax as punt returner (risk of injury + too much dancing around and losing yards) and we frankly didn’t have a kick returner last season.

      Chip values ST, he can’t be happy about that units performance last season. Jones and Boyin as a gunner are the only exceptions. We should be able to improve our ST play vastly this season.

      • Jdubbs

        What’s the deal with Phillips? Any word on his recovery? Is he still under contract? Weren’t we excited about his ST play and depth at LB?

        • Dominik

          I have ST hopes for Phillips, too, but I was thinking more about a new kicker and a new returner. ;)

        • GEAGLE

          Not sure what his future has in store for him…if healthy, I assume he is a quality addition to our ST, but I KNOW we want to improve ILB depth, not just to start grooming Meco’s eventual replacement, but also because we need a young athlete who can cover to spell Meco in some 3rd down subpackages..it does no one any good to have veterans play 97% of the snaps on the defense that’s on the field the most in the NFl…..now Meco’s coverage issues are way way exaggerated. He is sooooo not London Fletcher he ho can’t run with anyone and is a complete Liability. Meco actually does some really nice things in coverage like disruptive routes, and having a career year in interceptions, really like him in zone coverages…but we need a change of pace young athlete at ILB as another look to throw at offenses and to give our leader a rest
          ..
          I know we like Nadje Goode, but to what extent? Do we like him more then a healthy Phillips? Most of us think we are drafting an ILB at some point in this draft, and it’s not like we will carry 6 ILBs. We also have Knott who flashed some game.
          No idea who will be the odd man out at ILB.
          ..
          However, there is a chance that we don’t draft a pure ILB, and snag a KVN or C dot Jones, who basically are what we wish Casey Mathews was, a player that we count as our 4th OLB, but also backs up ILB at least in theory. That addition would increase Phillips chances to be here.

          anyone Know what’s up with Phillips contract off the top of their head? Any dead money attached to getting rid of him this year? But Knowing that Chip puts Major major emphasis on ST and versatility when deciding who our backups will be! Phillips will have a chance assuming he will be healthy

      • eaglesfanqc

        DJax is a good punt returner (miracle in the meadowlands anyone?) but like you I’m always afraid of risk of injury. We need to draft/sign a guy who can take Jackson place and do well in this position. (Hester, Holiday DAT, McCluster… etc.)

        • EaglesFanInPhx

          DJax is NOT a good punt returner in general. He’s had only a couple “good” returns, but runs the wrong way wayyyyy too often. Add that to the injury risk and I don’t want him back there, period.

        • Dominik

          D-Jax has the potential to find the endzone with nearly every punt return (like the miracle). But he often loses yards or only gains a few. I’d like to have a more consistent punt returner.

          But without the injury risk, I could life with D-Jax. The combination of injury risk and his inconsistency at returning makes me want a new specialist.

          • anon

            blocking is also an issue

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah. I think it’s a case of he can’t be trusted. Dude either has a huge return or fumbles…..guys were discussing Hester yesterday and if we were to go that route this kid would prob be more realistic! but I suspect that we don’t need to worry about return men because odds are the WR we draft will also be a good ST player like Old Dirty Beckham

    • pjcostello

      He’s not a Chip Kelly guy. He’s too small (5’5″) and fumbles WAY too often. He’s electrifying, but he’s not a possibility for the Eagles.

  • oreofestar

    Foles is the big one I mean Boykin will not be expensive since he is not a full time starter and Kendricks is not going to get top 10 money or anything, and Cox wlil get more money but not SO much more where it will be a problem

    • Token

      Its way overblown as far as how much money is gonna have to be paid out. Boykin likely wont even resign here as a slot guy.

      • oreofestar

        I think we will have to see and hopefully he gets an extension but until he is outside he will not be obliged to sign a deal

      • Uncle Wonder

        Yeah, he will probably pull an Al Harris if they try to keep him inside, but I expect him to get a look at the outside here and there this season. Especially if CW isnt a long term solution.

      • JofreyRice

        They are acting like these guys are slam-dunk all-pros. I like the way Fletcher Cox plays the game, but he’s not that, yet. Kendricks came on late but was really, really bad for a good portion of the season–a guy that’s perpetually going to “break out” every year. I agree with you on Boykin. If he plays like last year, he’s going to want a shot to start (and starting CB money) somewhere. For Foles–we’re hoping he’s who he was last year, but that’s no guarantee, either. To sit on your hands and miss opportunities because these guys may develop into warranting big time contracts is stupid, IMO.

        • Jeff Asay

          Yes. Only playmaker in that group is Boykin. Unless the other guys step up and get consistent, Eagles won’t have to worry about Cox or Kendricks needing to get paid. Cox was a beast for a few games then disappeared. This is make or break year for Kendricks. Never seen a guy with speed get beat so easily by tight ends. Guy I’m excited about seeing in year two is Logan.

          • Nfl All Day

            I think you’re wrong about Kendricks. That kid makes plays. And considering he’s still a bit undersized for his position, his arrow is definitely pointing up. He’ll bulk up Im sure. Plus once you solidify safety, this whole defense changes. You can afford to use hiathleticism in more unconventional ways. I’m a big Kendricks fan. However, he is DREADFUL in coverage. No doubt. I have a hard time understanding how he can’t stick an aging Witten for instance. Gotta let these young guys grow up tho. All cant be Luke Kuechly.

    • aub32

      If Boykin turns in another season like this last one, he will indeed want starting CB money. This isn’t about how we see Boykin. Boykin was tied for 2nd most INTs in the league while playing less than 60% of the snaps. He and his agent have to know that other teams will pay good money for that. So if he repeats that performance, we will have to pony up to keep him.

      • Uncle Wonder

        INT isnt nearly the stat it used to be. The best CBs dont get thrown at enough to rack up those numbers

        • aub32

          Teams will always value and pay for playmakers. Sure the best CBs may not get thrown at, but that in no devalues the players who make plays on the ball when they do.

        • Kev_H

          So he either becomes an elite CB, doesn’t get thrown at as much and his numbers go down, or he stays as a slot/nickel DB ball hawk who gets a lot of picks. Asante Samuel earned a ton of money in the NFL primarily off of his gawdy interception numbers. Turnovers are huge- even the commentators on the regional Jacksonville vs. Tampa Bay game know that.

        • Nfl All Day

          Sherman lead the league in picks last year.

  • oreofestar

    Turned on the TV and I have to say, if one more person says Jairus Byrd will go to the Browns I swear…..

    • Nfl All Day

      As long as we get Ward I’m cool with that. But if they scoop em both up I’ll be sick.

    • knighn

      1) Remember last January? “Chip Kelly to the Browns” was supposed to be a sure thing.
      2) Good agents don’t let their clients go play for the Cleveland Browns.

  • Token

    “We have a plan. And it’s not just for next season. It’s not just for 2015. It’s to try to set ourselves up to contend for awhile.”

    I get that plan. But does it actually work anymore? There the Pats. But I honestly have no interest in being that team again. I dont care if we win 11 games a year. If we dont win a title its all just twiddling thumbs.

    I think you load up to win a title, especially when you have a cheap QB. Just doesnt seem like many teams are able to truly be contenders for years and years. You load up and take your shot. Then you have to dismantle some pieces. Seattle probably wont be able to keep everyone after this year. Just happens. But they won their title. Hopefully you draft well enough to keep infusing young talent.

    • Eagles1018

      I agree. It’s like you’re in a perpetual “wait til next year” mentality. Nick will be paid like a big time qb very soon so strike while the irons hot. Seattle and SF are doing it. Not to be copy cats but the theory makes sense when you look at teams like the Ravens. Flacco is paid like a star qb and they can’t keep their start left tackle.

      • aub32

        SF and SEA are doing it, but only one of them won the SB. So it’s not like going for broke will win us the SB. So I don’t get how that’s any different from what we are doing. We are fielding the best possible team and playing the game.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        I guarantee you BAL will take that contract and SB win anyday, vs. losing both.
        If Foles plays lights out and we make the NFCCG or SB, you’d better believe he’s getting paid. I don’t think any of use would regret such a situation.
        And also re: BAL, they’ve been shot in the foot with some OL issues for years. McKinnie was always on the cusp of leaving/being fat, Oher never became a 1st rd Tackle, and Birk retired. That’s a big hit to an OL protecting a dropback QB limited weapons and a big $ RB who’s wheels fell off last year. We’re way more stable in the trenches, and have better offensive weapons locked up long-term in team friendly deals.

        Remembering how ’13 turned out for them, Ozzie wouldn’t think twice if he had to choose between cutting the RB and QB (and their contract) in Balt.

        • GEAGLE

          If I’m Ozzie I would have already cut Ray Rice, and I’d be preparing to go into the season with OL Nardy nard Pierce, and a rookie since it’s a pretty deep RB draft

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Agree. Loved Pierce since Temple, was big in the SB playoffs, and needs more snaps. The Rice situation is all financial. There are some good RB prospects to be had rds 2=5 IMO, Ozzie will surely grab one. I also gamble they take an OT early, and wait until the mid-rounds for WR. Also a receiving TE to start grooming next to Pitta and taking up slot snaps.

          • anon

            ray rice puts a lot of buts in seats, not to mention the dead $$

    • Stuart Philp

      You have to be a contender first, get to 11 wins consistently, and then add a few pieces when the time is right to push you over the edge. Look at the teams in the playoffs, they’re competitive every year. We’re in year two, we’ll get there :)

      • Token

        I dont believe you do. I went over the past like 10 SB winners last week. You certainly dont need to go through those steps. A number of the teams that won the SB, I think about half, missed the playoffs the year before they won.

        • Stuart Philp

          Baltimore, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, NYG, NE, they all had a foundation of players for years before leading up to the Superbowl wins. They might not have played up to expectations year to year, but they had their guys.

          Seattle, Denver, SF and Carolina seems to be in good shape now to do the same. You need that consistency year to year imo.

          • Token

            I could take the time to go through each one of them, but I aint changing your mind anyway.

            Especially in the league today, I dont believe you do. You can go from no playoffs to a SB win quickly. You can go from a new coach to a SB win quickly.

          • Stuart Philp

            I agree that it isn’t necessary to build that way, you just need to make the playoffs, then anyone can win. Hell, we could’ve won last year had we played to our potential.

            I just think making the playoffs every year is a better way to go about it then going for broke in one season.

      • anon

        I’d rather get married once than be a bridesmaid for 10 years.

        • NickS1

          I like being a guest.

        • Jeff Asay

          Eagles did it right in 2004 when they added TO and Kearse to get over the top, tho fell short ultimately, they broke their NFC glass ceiling. Some posters are getting greedy and trying to push the calendar on this team.

        • Maggie

          Aw. I bet you look just precious in those pastel dresses. ;~)

    • aub32

      That worked for Seattle, but it had the complete opposite effect for us in 2011. Plus I don’t remember the Ravens or Giants loading up. There’s no way to guarantee a SB in this league. There are too many injuries and good or bad luck plays. The only thing Howie and the rest can do is put together a talented roster that should at least make the tournament each year. We all want a SB, but building a team that’s good for one year and loses all of it’s pieces isn’t the right way to go. The Pats may not have won in almost a decade, but you can bet their fans are happy to win 10-12 games a year, versus watching the team go 4-12.

      • Token

        Thats kinda a losery way to look at it I think. This just get to the tournament stuff has been said for how many years now?

        At some point dont you have to look at a team that regularly sits on 15- 20 mil in cap space and say its a joke? I mean, the excuse is always that we have to extend this guy or that guy. Or we have to have wiggle room. Yet guys do get extended. And the team still is always sitting on a pile of unused money.

        Its almost like fear mongering. The teams excuse is always the cap. “We will try to make the tournament, but ya know THE CAP!” I do hope the mentality shifts with Chip to continue to be aggressive in delivering on the only goal that matters. Dallas is in the worst cap hell imaginable, has it really effected them? Are they gonna be so drastically worse next year because of all this cap hell?

        I think generally when you have the franchise outlook of building for years down the line what happens is the coach is fired before that point.
        And I can tell you Pat fans are not happy with 11 wins. We have been in a spot like that for years. Were you happy with all those playoff loses? What did it get you in the end?

        • Nfl All Day

          I respect how consistent you’ve been on your stance that they need to go get the right players price be damned. But I think the thing you’re not considering is that they’re not spending because they think the guys out aren’t worth the investment. You have to applaud the fact that they’re never in “CAP HELL” like Dallas and Washington. When the opportunity to get a great player is there we’ll have a legit chance because we got our money right. But who’s that handsdown guy we gotta have? Here’s a list of the top 10 contracts signed last yr by ten teams. Of them them 8 of those teams got WORSE. It’s crazy in reality. Last year we got Barwin, Ike, Chung, Casey, Williams, Fletcher, Phillips. 3 of those 7, only 3 worth keeping, the rest can kick rocks. But with the exception of Barwin and The Sconce, we can cut em all and not get hurt financially. You can bet this year we come away with more strong players and end up closer to the prize. I for one finally have faith going into the off season that we are gonna get better. But right now we gotta roll the dice and get Safety squared away. FA and Draft. If we do that, this team can take a big step in 2014. Have faith my man. This thing is running on science and logic now days. Not ego and twinkies like it was in the past.

        • aub32

          Look at what you’re saying. Dallas, who are in cap hell, hasn’t made the playoffs in 3 years. So yes it’s hurt them. They are forced to extend guys who don’t deserve it and can’t bring in new talent. Look at the Packers. They are rarely ever players in FA. Yet they won the SB just a few years ago. This go for broke mentality sounds nice, but it doesn’t really work. All it does is provide you piece of mind that they spent all they could. Getting into the playoffs is the only way to have a chance at winning the SB.

          • Token

            Thats more talent evaluation than cap hell. Has being in the worst cap hell in the league really ham-stringed them? Maybe it has and im not remembering certain moves. Like losing Ware could hurt.

            Drafting is the way to build a team. You wont see me argue that. But key additions can be made in FA.

            Now, do we draft as well as the Pack did at that time? If you are able to get a bunch of difference makers in your drafts thats great. perfect scenario. But its not this team. We are in need of those types of players. If one happens to be sitting on the market, theres zero reason the Eagles shouldnt be able to get them.

          • aub32

            What difference maker do you think we are going to pass on? I don’t know one fan on this site who has not said they want the team to pay for either Byrd or Ward. Howie’s track record has shown that he can get the big name guy. I just don’t see where your gripe is coming from. Who cares if we have money to spare if there’s nowhere to spend it. Is there any particular FA that you’re upset about us not getting last year. Or are you just bringing up hypotheticals?

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          ’14 is not like past years. We may actually have a franchise QB now (go look at all the other teams with a ton of cap room, most are pretty crappy), which always allows a team to save $, but he’s coming up. We spend almost nothing on defense, because no one deserves it. The 3 most promising candidates to get paid are coming up next year; of course you have to save some money for them. The likelihood is all 3 get paid and stay, but at least 1 is having a big year and getting big money.

          Living in the present, who the hell is available in FA to spend all our money on anyway? Aside from one of the safeties, I can’t think of one player available who will come in and instantly upgrade a starting spot. Maybe Verner at CB, but OLBs are unimpressive except a cheap deal for depth; ILB and DT are unimpressive aside from depth; no DE is coming in and starting over Cox and Thornton, and at the moment we still have Curry and Logan there as well. Don’t think I even have to bring up the offensive side of the ball.

          What is wrong with going into next year, improving just 1 position outright in FA and still having a ton of room? You think SEA is going to go blow their $16mil in space this year knowing full well they have guys like us getting paid next year?
          http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nfl/

          • aub32

            I don’t know why some fans just want the team to spend money for the sake of doing so. There’s no one worth bringing in on offense. If we get one of the 2 big safeties, like you said, who is left. Maybe Token would have been happy with how the Colts have been doing things by giving so many average FAs huge contracts.

          • Token

            Is Byrd average? Is Shields? Its not about just spending the money. Its about taking advantage of situations where you can add good players to your team.

            Sorry, the batting average approach is WAY more about just spending money to spend it. And im guessing you are a big defender of that way of doing things.

            Blindly throw out contracts to average or below average players hoping a couple turn into role players. Wooooo! Thats how you end up paying guys like Cary Williams 7 mil a year while then having to take dead money on multiple bums a year later.

          • Token

            We had big money QBs pretty much every season for more than a decade before Foles if im not forgetting anyone. Didnt even Kolb get paid pretty well? I dont understand that first part. They still managed to sit on money.

            This year you have the safeties. But also a nice crop of corners. You need them anyway by 2015. If you dont wanna go nuts on Verner, Shields will probably be cheaper. And he is a most certain upgrade over either of our current starters.

            Even if you just do those two things this season in FA you still are sitting on piles of money. Realize that next year about 41 million of currently allocated funds will be coming off the books from guys getting cut. Theres no shortage of funds.

            The topic of next years extensions is overplayed too I think. There just isnt any big money there. Unless Foles wins the SB this year that guy aint getting a 100 mil deal. Lets be real about it. Cox if he plays well will get a nice deal, nothing crazy. And Kendricks we dont even know yet if hes a part of the future. If he plays like he did for most of this past season I wouldnt even resign the kid early. You only get so many years to prove yourself.

            Seattle is losing a big piece in Bennet already. Had to cut Red Bryant too. They will lose more after Wilson gets his deal. But they won the SB. And they will likely have good enough talent eval to keep infusing young cheaper talent.

            Even Howies best draft, hes tends to get you role players. The guys hasnt got you much in the way of game changers, or difference makers. Now maybe with Chip that will trend towards changing. And it needs to in order to get where we wanna go.

            But keep in mind that even a great drafting and UDFA finding team like Seattle got a few key difference makers through free agency or trade. Winning a title through just the draft is very difficult.

            At some point we gotta look at a team that has delivered nothing while still sitting on unused funds, or scraping them forward each year, and say what gives?

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            There is just no value to spend, even with shields. I dont get why you downplay fiscal responsibility. Ask our division rivals how thats working out. All the space does is create options.

          • Token

            Options for what? What do we have that the division doesnt have? No Superbowls? I just cant get on board with that line of thinking. All it does in the end is save money. Thats really it. We can spin it multiple ways.

            The next two years is a big window IMO. Saving money for the next year or the next year doesnt make a ton of sense to me right now. Especially when theres available guys that can really contribute. Especially when a large piece of our roster is still trash caliber players that could be upgraded.

            We went over it before. Theres many factors at play. But I do come back to the question of how many coaches won a SB after not winning it in their first 3 or 4 years with that team? I know theres some. Maybe theres many. But it seems to me its best to strike while the iron is hot and take your shot when you can. Theres not much of a better time that now IMO.

            Coach is fresh, system is fresh, the whole science and diet and crap is fresh, cheap QB. All those factors can and usually do change. The longer a coach is with a team and doesnt get the job done generally the odds of winning it go down quite a bit. I think that will be especially true for Chip personally.

          • aub32

            How can you say Howie’s drafts have produced only role players? Are you only referring to the past 2 years? The guys are only in their 1st or 2nd year. LJ, though you hated the picked, could still be a pro bowl tackle for a decade. Kelce is more than just some role player. If Foles is indeed our franchise QB, how is he a role player?

          • Token

            Well, yea pretty much. Really presuming a lot on LJ. We tend to do that around here. Kind of presume every player is gonna be a all pro. Kendricks, Ertz etc…..

            Kelce yea hes a role player. hes a center. Even if hes the best in the NFL its really not gonna have a put you over the edge impact, or even close to it. Not hating on him. Just how I think it is.

            Foles could be that difference maker. Really could be. But fact is we dont know yet. I have confidence in him. But he has many things to work on still and will have to prove himself.

          • aub32

            Your standards seem unrealistic in my opinion. If you are only counting franchise QBs and HOFers as difference makers, then I don’t know how any team can be expected to get multiple guys of that caliber in a single draft every year.

            I am not like G. I am not saying every guy we drafted in the last 2 years are franchise players. However, I do view Kelce, Cox, Boykin, and Foles as difference makers. I think Ertz and LJ will fall into that category too, but it’s way to soon to tell. I don’t see how you feel a lineman who can start at a high level for a decade is not a difference maker. That may not be as sexy as a Ware or Sherman, but last I checked, games are won in the trenches.

          • Token

            HOF? No way. Just impact players. Kendricks is one? Dont see how. Misses more plays than he makes at this point. Could change. Cox should be one. I dont think he was in his first year in this system, but I expect him to be one.

            I think my position on the line is pretty clear. Its not nearly as impactful as people think it is. Teams win SBs will sub par or average lines all the time.

          • aub32

            Why do you keep bringing up Kendricks? I haven’t mentioned him in any of my posts. Also, who are these teams that won the SB without an above average O line or D line. A team may not have both. However, NY won their SB through the play of their D line. BAL had a good O line after shifting a few things. Should I even bring up the Seahawks?

          • Token

            Have been through it over and over again. Listed it all out. Dont feel like it again. Maybe someone will. Its hard to change “common knowledge ” even when its wrong. You dont need a very good oline to win a title. Now D line? Never looked at it but thats much more important. Theres teams that won with a great dline while having a average or worse o line off the top of my head.

      • Kev_H

        The Eagles were in denial in 2011 and the spending spree prior to that year was more about desperate men taking a blind shot in the dark to try to hang on to their jobs, so there isn’t much to learn from that here. In any case, the Eagles don’t need much. A great pass rusher would make a difference and they could also use a strong legged kicker and of course, steady play at safety. I’d open up the check book for a pass rusher and figure I could upgrade the other positions without breaking the bank.

        As much as fans would like it, going after a high dollar safety because we never really replaced Dawkins or because efforts have been disappointing at that position in recent years is irrational, reactive, Jerry Jones-ish, Dan Snyder-ish thinking (if done for that reason).

        • aub32

          Desperate? Did you forget we won the division in 2010 and were the team that tested the Packers, the eventual SB champs, the most? We all thought the only thing we needed to do was upgrade the CB position from Dimitri Patterson. We were SB favorites heading into 2011. That’s not what I would blind moves from desperate men.

          • Kev_H

            Yes. Desperate and delusional. From 2005-2011 they scuffled along as essentially a .500 team, almost always losing to the good teams and regularly losing to bad teams as well and the words out of Novacare were “gold standard” and “better than the Steelers over the last decade.”

            Which brings us to 2010. A team that lost to four, 6-10 teams on its way to finishing on top of the pile of crap that was the NFC East (they lost to Washington, Dallas, Tennessee, and Minnesota). But for five 49er turnovers including a 52 yard Quintin Mikell fumble recovery TD, they would have lost to the 6-10 49ers as well and but for 5 dropped interceptions by the 6-10 Detroit Lions they’d have lost that one too. Both those were 3 point battles that tipped the way of the Eagles. Their only quality, statement win was a trouncing of the Atlanta Falcons who were lit up by then back-up, injury substitute, Kevin Kolb. They eked out some battles with the Colts and Giants who ended up with 10-6 records. So, you basically have what you’ve had since 2005- a scuffling, average team in a weak division matched up against the weakest division in the AFC for inter-conference play that eked out some wins against other scuffling, average teams ultimately separated by a few breaks here and there.

            Packers come in having secured a wild card in a division that had a 3-1 record against the scuffling Eagles (yes, but for geography, they might have been a last place team that year). The Packers (decimated by injury) suffer six losses (all 4 points or less with 2 OT losses) to teams with a combined 57-39 record. They come in to Philly, score on their second drive, never trail and run roughshod over the Eagles on the back of some 3rd-4th string running back, the Eagles mount a too little, too late comeback attempt, and the Packers win. Instead of a realistic assessment (we are an average team in the mix with the Redskins, Lions, Vikings, Giants, Cowboys that might get into the playoffs if some breaks go our way, but could just as easily be 6-10) they delude themselves that they were “a play away”, still the gold standard, make some questionable additions and declare themselves a “Dream Team.” Vince Young said it first, and a week later Mike Vick embraced it, with Jason Babin and the rest of the pitiful crew taking it the rest of the way. The next year, the deluded Eagles, could be again summarized by the washed up and deluded Vick who declared the team a “dynasty.” I take it you look back on those days of delusion and mediocrity with fondness. I do not.

  • Tom W

    Unless cox becomes jjwatt or Seymour all of a sudden, his new contract as a five tech w fewer sacks comparedto a 4-3dtackle w 8 sacks yearly like he may have been probably keeps his number down bc his role is different. And we get have cox under control an extra yr on rookie deal bc he is a first round pick.

    No graham or cole next yr is an extra 11 million a year .. No Williams or celek or herramins or meco in next 1-3 yrs is an extra 22-24 million is salary space …. Don’t think this resigning fear is as difficult as Howie is leading on … Tip of hat to author for a good read ad original article idea.

    Foles number is all that matters … Hopefully we get him closer to 13-15 mil rather than 18-20 mil. Probably gotta do a shorter 3-4 yr deal for that.

    • aub32

      The Eagles should have some leverage with Foles, since he will still be under contract for such a low number. They could say they will give him 15M per in exchange for renegotiating his rookie deal, instead of making him play another year at under 700K. He could try and hold out, but that wouldn’t do much as he could just be franchised the following year. The new CBA makes it a lot to retain young QBs at team friendly prices. I bet the Lions and Rams are wishing it had been in place when they drafted Stafford and Bradford.

      • Uncle Wonder

        The situation is diff from Stafford and Bradford, they were #1 picks while Foles and Wilson were mid rounders. I would think the Eagles will try and get him for even less than 15mm/yr. It may not work but he hasnt even started a full season at QB yet.

        • Maggie

          You have a point about not starting a full year yet, however, the other commenters were talking 2015 or 2016. Kind of like Howie. As or the suggestion that Foles would likely consider the financial stability of the franchise, in 2015 or 2016, why not? Everything he has said and done so far indicates an intelligent man who considers others in every part of his life.

          • Uncle Wonder

            Let’s make one thing clear…him wanting to get every cent of what he is worth doesnt make him any less intelligent or considerate. If him getting a big deal hurts the team that is the FO fault for not managing the cap well…especially as high as the cap is at this point. Lots of ppl villianize the players for trying to get the most they can out of the few years they are able to play this game and its nonsense imo.

          • Maggie

            Your original point was not that a player should try to maximize their earning potential. Your point had been that Foles may be a greedy SOB who does not consider the health of the franchise or other players. My point was that he has shown so far that he does consider others’ needs and the fact that if he is not surrounded by talented well-paid players, his own value would drop.

          • Uncle Wonder

            Perhaps im being unclear b/c of the way the responses are formatted…my original response was that we dont know enough to unequivocally say whether or not he is the type to holdout over money…I further expounded on tht premise by saying whether he is or isnt, i hate tht players get characterized as ‘greedy SOBs’. Their contracts shouldnt affect the financial health of the organization regardless of how much money they want. If a QBs contract puts the team in cap hell that is the FO fault for not managing the contract structures well. That isnt the players fault. Even if he asks for a billion dollars, no one is holding a gun to the GMs head. The cap is more than big enough to pay everybody with some xtra left over. Several teams have highly paid QBs and arent in bad shape financially. It comes down to the FO…not the players.

          • Maggie

            I agree on the FO and this one so far is doing an excellent job. Always thinking 3 or 4 years ahead, not just grabbing what’s out there for this year, the way some fans seem to think they should. The final decision does still rest on the player’s shoulder, however. Right now, there are several top players who have agreed to restructuring in order to keep other good players on the team, as opposed to a few who have not. Some, no doubt, are listening to their agents spouting double-talk. ;~)

          • Joe from Easton

            I just don’t see him holding out over 2 million a year. Foles comes from a millionaire family. He’s set for life whether he plays 10 more years or tears up his knee working out tomorrow. He’s not like a player who came from nothing and wants to set up future generations of his family; that’s already done.

          • Joe from Easton

            His father sold his restaurant business a few years ago for $59 million in cash. Split it between him and the other founder and that’s $29 million and change in family assets not to mention any business that sells for $60 million was probably pretty profitable so add on to that years of profits. He’s got money. He wants to win.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        Agree on everything, except the #s, only because (1) I sure hope Foles plays well enough to discuss giving him $20m, and (2) $20m/yr in ’15 and ’16 is no big deal. Equal to a $16m contract now. No reason to lowball the kid if he plays out of his mind.

        • peteike

          ya and lets not forget how ridiculous those QB contracts always end up. You cant even tell what they actually will get half the time, its like 6 yr 130 mil but they really only get 70 mil. Something like that haha

      • dnabrice

        Foles is a team player and not a “show me da money” holdout type. His agent will go with whatever the comparable market rate is.

        • cliff henny

          we hope. so far he’s said all the right things in press conferences, but we’ll see what happens when lawyers get involved.

        • Uncle Wonder

          lol…how do you know?

    • dnabrice

      I hope we’re having the 13-15 mil vs 18-20 mil conversation next year, because that means we’ll have had a great season. Each farther round of the playoffs we get to would probably increase his yearly salary 1-2mm…Talk about a playoff bonus…

    • GEAGLE

      Funny how KAp started off by talking like a good soldier who would take 15-17m because he understood that the Niners need money to keep all that talent in place, and now reports suggest he won’t accept less then 20m…QBs like Brady get it, you simply can’t hold your franchise hostage and demand the max if you are a QB, because your success is dependent on having enough talent around you..think FOles gets it….Nick will get PAID, but I suspect he will go the Brady route and leave a few dollars on the table, instead of going the Flacco route where he demands the max, and the ravens had to cut a bunch of talent

      • travis papa

        What’s reasonable would be depending on solid play this yr is 7yrs 100mil. Nice per yr avg plus his agent can say he is in the $100 mil club. Some escalators like winning the SB or being nfl mvp takes it to $120 mil. Win win there. Now if he wins a SB this yr let him set the price. What do we care as fans how much he makes it’s not our money and if it cripples the team so what it’s our first SB win ever.

        • Nfl All Day

          Remember when we gave Vick $100M contract? Seems like a decade ago. Hilarious when you look back at it…

      • hokieduck

        While I mostly agree with what you are saying, Geagle, it doesn’t hurt Tom Brady that his wife makes $45M per year. He can afford being beneficent.

        Still, most of these guys are simply trying to get their egos fed after a certain point. The smart ones work their deals to help their teams remain competitive.

      • birdsfanindc

        Players should try to get as much as they can. I don’t see the nobility in taking less money to help the team. The salary cap is an imposition of the owners, it’s ridiculous to put the burden on the players to keep the cap under control. I don’t think any player should accept less money than they think they deserve “for the good of the team.”

    • GEAGLE

      Cox is our 3tec, Ced is the 5

      • Tom W

        Yea meant to say 3-tech but he is more than that … he plays a fair amount of 5-tech (not as much as thornton), a good amount of 3 tech, and he even plays a little one just off the center. also plays dt on some passing downs. I guess his versatility is a key to his value.
        My point was I don’t see making getting paid like a stud 4-3 dt or stud 4-3 de … closer to a very good 3-4 de. Wow that RJF contract was horrible .. does grigson have any idea what he is doing or is he just getting pressured to sign everyone by that idiot owner.
        I’m guessing a starting point for fletch cox is 5.5-6.5 a year. Lotta time w him …. 2 more offseasons after this one before we have to consider and then another season.

  • aub32

    For Andy124 on a previous thread about trading DJax:

    I disagree. You don’t trade assets that you can’t replace. For example, I wouldn’t listen to offers on LJ. We don’t have a RT in place to take his spot. Plus he’s out projected stud LT of the future. Sure you cold pose well what if a team offered 2 1sts, a 2nd, and an aging but serviceable RT. However, no team would do that. So why even bother saying you would listen. No team is going to offer what DJax can bring to the table. So I absolutely would not listen to trade offers on him. I also wouldn’t listen to trade offers on LJ, Kelce, Foles, Shady, Barwin or Mathis. These guys may not be all world, but they bring something to this team that cannot be easily replaced. Sure the draft pick could turn into a superstar, but there’s no guarantee of that. So why give up the proven commodity that not only is one of the best at their position but also fits what we want to do.

  • Nfl All Day

    12:01AM-This evening. Howie Roseman grabs the remote and mutes the tv, silencing Jimmy Fallon in the middle of a stupid face competion with Steven Colbert. As he reaches for his phone he’s startled by Billy Davis, incessantly pound on his office door. “DID YOU CALL HIM YET, WHAT’D HE SAY?” Billy shouts excitedly. “I’m calling right now, chill the hell out!” Retorts Howie. As he searches his contact list, he hears a shuffling sound of what might be considered running if not for the unmistakable scrape of feet never quite leaving the ground, on the hallway carpet. “Didhecallemyet, whatsdaholdup?” Spoken fast as if an auctioneer said it, Chipper had joined Billy outside the GMs chambers. Both eager, like Andy used to get on Sloppy Joe Day. “If you 2 dont shut up Im gonna resign Kurt Coleman to a 4yr deal 100% guaranteed! Do you want that?” Berated Howie….”He wouldn’t do that would he?” Billy whined…”ShutupBilly” muttered Chilpper. Finally, Howie finds his contact and hits dial. After one and a half rings, a voice on the other end of the line picks up……”T.J. WAAARD, WHO DIS?”

    • G_WallyHunter

      Lmao this is gold, thanks for the laughs

      • philliesfan136

        What ….. did you say , GOLD STANDARD ?

    • docboy75

      ROFLMBO! Thanks for the laugh.. I can totally see this.

    • Jeff Asay

      Hahahaha, this should be published.

    • Chris

      lmao! “Both eager, like Andy used to get on Sloppy Joe Day”, great work. good laugh

      • philliesfan136

        Howie changed the name to ” sloppy 2nd stringers Tuesday. “

    • philliesfan136

      The BIG signings will begin, on this up coming GOLD STANDARD TUESDAY ! NOT !!

      • knighn

        down-vote.

      • peteike

        well at least Howis is going in the opposite direction of Ruin Tomorrow Jr so theres that

      • Maggie

        A whiner in every crowd.

    • Dreday410

      One fact that is not being reported…CHIP KELLY actually has the final say on roster moves and signings (One of Three head coaches with that power) So really Chip is HC/GM as well, so Howie must knock on his door too.

      • theKingDP

        Uh no, you have that part of it completely wrong. Chip has final say over the FINAL 53 MAN ROSTER. As in he decides who get’s cut at the end of training camp & before the regular season. Chip Kelly, in no way, shape, or form, deals with free agent negotiations or player contract extensions. He’s knocking on Howie’s door.

  • Jeff Asay

    Vick is the reason Eagles lost to KC last season. He must’ve been high when he threw that pick to open the game. Great athlete, great arm, so-so decision making and now just an injury waiting to happen.

    • Maggie

      Yup. In a 60-minute game, 1 play at the start of the game, lost the whole damn thing.

      • Joe from Easton

        In a low scoring game a pick-six does a lot of damage whether it was the first or fourth quarter. You must have never played this game before. Momentum in football is unlike any other sport.

      • Jeff Asay

        He turned it over two more times that game. The offense sucked and he never got in rhythm. And that play was a throw the remote at the tv play. Oh, and it was a pick 6 that ultimately was the difference in the final score. It was THE tone-setting play in a game of momentum. Vick always was and always has been a so-so decision maker with off the charts talents.

  • Jeff Asay

    Vick also didn’t win a winnable game against the Chargers. He left two or more touchdowns on the field because he couldn’t deliver the ball to a wide open Desean Jackson. I was at that game. It was Groundhog Day watching Jackson sprinting down the field and Vick unable to deliver. He was something like 1/5 or 2/5 on deep balls to Jackson. Besides the D unable to stop anyone that day, the Eagles simply could put up 45 and won anyway. Vick should go to Washington and take turns getting hurt with RG III.

    • GEAGLE

      I find it Embarressing for RG3, that the team has NO draft picks, they mortgaged everything for RG3, yet apparently they don’t believe in him enough to trade Cousins for draft picks? Now I understand that you need two QBs today, but you need your starter to have a damn team around him before you start worrying about having a good backup…but apparently they aren’t interested in trading Cousins…what’s that say about Rg3? Lol they just need to move him to safety and get it over with :)

      • peteike

        haha move him to safety. I liked Cousins putting his foot in his mouth per a gay teammate. Although that seemed to disappear pretty fast, wasnt much. So true about them keeping him around but with a mobile QB and injury history I cant blame them.

        • GEAGLE

          My thing is…the new school of though is you need two QBs, because if your QB gets injured your season is in the toilet without a good backup…but with a healthy RG3 that teams season is still in the toilet. There roster sucks. If my starting roster isn’t good enough, and I can use a backup to get value that can improve my starters, I don’t know how I could pass…
          ..
          Then again, we are talking about a mess of a franchise who are about to make fools out of themselves in free agency for the 300tn time…they couldn’t be players in FA these last two years and these dopes couldn’t even help themselves from announcing to the world that they will be big spenders lol. Know if I’m an agent. Snyder is the first phone call I’m taking..
          I honestly can’t even figure out who is more of a mess Jerry or Snyder..like these men have been falling flat on their faces for YEARS! How is it possible that they LEARN NOTHING, and consistently make the same mistakes year in and year out

          • peteike

            it really is amazing isnt it, same mistakes repeated. Love it as an Eagles fan. Then again, it wasnt that many years ago we became a laughing stock. Thankfully that didnt last. Amazing what a decent draft, new QB and Coach can do. Hitting on all 3 was a blessing

          • GEAGLE

            Right!!! We became a joke for like two years, imagine being a joke for like 16 straight years as a cowboys fan, and literally watching the same exact mistakes every single stinking year…we joke around, but there is definitely a hint of insanity or madness. They literally don’t ever learn ANYTHING!
            ..
            Until the Giants,Skins and Cowboys, completely blow those teams up, gut them, and build a strong foundation the right way, we don’t even have to worry about them..let’s see how many years head start will these division dopes give us til they figure out they ain’t Even on the right path yet. we are sprinting forwards, and they are crawling backwards lol

      • cliff henny

        read they wanted a 2nd for Cousins. after he shit the bed with a 19/49 150 yards week16 performance, think teams laughed at that. no idea where/how the ‘Cousins is a starter rumor’ began, even before he played reg season games. it’s almost like Eagles fans saying Barkley is a starter.

      • aub32

        I hope you’re joking, but I don’t think so. Do you not get that the Skins were pretty much the exact same team in 2013 as in 2012. The only thing that changed was that RG3 wasn’t completely healthy. That means the kid had enough talent to mask that horrendous group around him. How is not trading Cousins a sign of not believing in RG3? Did you see Cousins play last year? No one if offering 1st and 2nd round picks for him. I doubt anyone would give up a 3rd. So why trade a decent backup for a 4th round pick, where they would eventually end up trying to find a decent backup QB.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          Talent is not everything. They mortgaged their whole team for him, and now have an even worse OL than in ’12/13, still bad WRs, and an aging/worse defense (although hard to get worse than their current level of suck). He is not good enough to mask all the other deficiencies they still have not improved since he was a rookie. If he stays healthy this year and is actually back to a higher level, he’s getting paid, further hurting that team. And that’s just on the field; leaves out the drama he brought to that ridiculous excuse of a front office, and is now playing under a new coach in a new offense. Will Morris still be good without Shanahan? Is RG3 fully healthy? Can they develop him as a better passer? Will he be less inclined to run, without Shanahan’s system and a bad knee in a contract year?
          He is good, but IMO not worth what they paid.

    • aub32

      So the fact that a TD was called back and another dropped in the endzone escape you.

  • Jeff Asay

    SK unless you calculate what’s coming off the books you’re only looking at half the story. There’s no need to hold back to pay for Foles. His money comes from Cole, DeMeco, Celek, and one of your guards.

    • ICDogg

      Some of those guys will need to be replaced, and paid for, so you’re not getting all of that money. Plus you still have a few other guys coming up that need to be paid as well.

      • peteike

        true, but then the cap was raised also which helps

        • GEAGLE

          Cap could go up 17m in the next two years, which means we would essentially be getting a Franchise QB for FREE and keep operating at this years 133m, which we are doing masterfully! I mean Howie just got practically everyone who was eligible for an extension locked up,and right now there are still only 10 teams with more cap space then us…that’s impressive!!!

          • ICDogg

            When the cap goes up the top salaries go up and the contracts get more expensive to do because most teams have room to get in the action. So it does help in the short term but not so much looking further forward.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      not to mention TV revenue makes a big contract now look smaller later

  • morgan c

    Peterson is a great player, but doesn’t strike me as having what one would call a “superior intellect.” Not quite sure what “intently” is doing in that tweet; also, he is just wrong if he thinks Vick makes Vikings a playoff team. Like so many others, it just amazes me how people continuously think Vick is some perennial pro bowl player. I guess these guys just don’t actually watch the games.

    • Jeff Asay

      Peterson is the poster child for having enough money to remain a boy when a man is required. He fathers babies out of wedlock and then supports them with his money. He has gone from most beloved to most despised since that story broke on the tragic death of his son. Has the ever heard of birth control? Young, rich, good looking, he should be nailing the honey’s like Wilt. But dammit, don’t bring kids into the equation till you’re ready to man up and be a father full time.

    • aub32

      They made the playoffs with Ponder 2 years ago. They don’t need Tom Brady. They just need someone that keeps defenses from putting 11 in the box.

  • cliff henny

    Com’on Howie, do something, anything…cut Coleman, I don’t care. this is brutal!

    • GEAGLE

      Colts signed there punter to a 5yr 14m contract,.,,guess Donnie Longballs deal will prob he similar, Altjough I have no idea how old he is

      Saints have released Lance Moore

      • cliff henny

        seems like a lot for a punter.
        .
        be tough to talk Moore into Philly, seeing how he’d start off 4th on depth chart and then draft hits. least NO is getting worse.

        • GEAGLE

          Yeah that’s just not going to happen. I also suspect that if we were to sign a free agent WR, he would most likely be a stand out ST player….very curious to see what the saints roster looks like after it all plays out. If they end up having to get rid of Sprouls too because they have no money! that team could have problems especially since the Jimmy Graham situation could turn ugly”

        • GEAGLE

          Is Pat macafee that good of a punter? That’s a real nice pay day…then again, I haven’t seen the terms so it could be a lot of smoke and mirrors

        • GEAGLE

          Word is. It comes with 5m in guarentees

  • peteike

    Im getting a funny feeling that they go middle of the road for safety since it worked for them last off season (for the most part). Howie may stick to that playbook but man I hope Im wrong. I think we’ll all be really disappointed if we dont land Ward or Byrd. Anyway, this has been discussed to death cant Tuesday get here already. At least the weekend will go by fast as they always do, tie a few on and Monday appears

    • GEAGLE

      Monday is going to be TORTURE!!! Tuesday can’t get here fast enough..especially when you are a fan of a well run organization that rarely let’s intel leak….
      ….
      I just want Howie to be agressive. I understand he has to stick to his walk away numbers, but I will Be FURIOUS if the market opens on Tuesday, and we are passively sitting back. Watching big names get signed, let the market set it’s self, and wait til like Thursday or Friday to jump into the secondary market….that would INFURIATE me!!!

      Donnie Longballs deal will be announced right away on Tuesday. I’m hoping a Ward and Alex Carrington signings are also announced on Tuesday, and weds or Thurs the eagles shock us with the Addition of Malcom Jenkins and a few more depth players who are also quality special teamers

      • Ark87

        it will be interesting. I know this year we have cap space, but that’s because we aren’t paying a franchise QB. We can make a splash, but next year, when we will likely be paying said QB, there will be a culling. I’m thinking ‘Meco, one or both CB’s, Todd Father, Celek, etc. I’m wondering if our draft won’t be executed with such a future in mind (particularly in the mid rounds). ILB’s, TE’s, G’s, CB’s.

        Either way, Howie is definitely one of those guys thinking ahead.

        • GEAGLE

          He absolutely is, and that’s a testament to Lurie who understands that stability gives us a better chance then the owners who are always over reacting and make crazy decisions due to impatience

      • peteike

        well, get ready to be infuriated, its very possible. I just want Byrd or Ward, rest can take care of itself. I do think Carrington would be a nice piece to add also. Ya they will lock Donnie up, not worried about that.

        • GEAGLE

          You think we won’t announce any signings til Thursday or Friday? We BETTER not sit out til the secondary market..not just because it means we didn’t add serious talent, but also waiting til Tuesday is torture enough..we will go crazy if we sit out the first phase

          • peteike

            No I dont, I think Im just preparing to be disappointed so its not as much as a let down if it happens haha

          • GEAGLE

            I hear you…I go with that strategy often as well….but I was heartbroken when I thought Byrd Ward would be tagged, so since we have a glimmer of hope, I can’t go with that strategy this year….pushing all my hopes and dreams to the middle of the table going all in…Don’t hurt me Howie lol. Please be gentile

          • peteike

            haha, ya I almost forgot already they there was such a small chance of them even being available. A week of safety talk and it just switched gears to which one are we getting.

          • GEAGLE

            Right…I was trying to prepare to soften the blow of landing Malcom like two weeks ago! now we are all in, Byd/Ward or bust mode. “So your saying there’s a chance?”

          • GregS

            and then next week if howie hasnt been blowing smoke and stays true to his word about the batting avg approach we are going to be like “what was all that one in a million talk?”

  • GEAGLE

    NFL network can be so horrible, and I don’t get why the NFL doesn’t commit to improving it…Pat macafee is on talking about how the cowboys are going to win the division hahahahaha insanity….who would have ever thought Clinton Portis would be the voice of reason? “LeSean McCoy will have a 2,000 yard season, the Eagles win the division easily, and the cowboys will finish last”

    • cliff henny

      cant have everyone lock stepping with Eagles, that doesn’t drive viewership.

    • Nfl All Day

      Year in, year out people clamor for this mythical resurgence in Dallas. They lost FOUR STRAIGHT DIVISION TITLE GAMES!!!! The word epic is overused way too much, but that sh%t is EPIC! When they got back to the locker room after the BoyKing stole their hopes and dreams, I’ll bet their were no belts or shoelaces in anyone’s locker. Enough. Any owner with half a mind for football would blow the damn thing up and start from scratch by now.

      • cliff henny

        nope, instead extended the contracts of 2 guys with season ending neck and back. now, they are cutting Ware, who played very well for 1st half of the season when Dallas got off to 5-3 start. Hatcher has 1 chance to cash-in, and for some insane reason Dallas think he’ll give discount at 2m,which he wont. don’t have any money to sign any depth, so will be relying on unhealthy amount of rookies, and when front line guys get hurt, will be putting in overmatched rookies and UDFA, who go down like flies. so, they’ll complain about injuries again.
        .
        F-DALLAS!

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    What They’re Saying: Special Edition

    Barnwell has a good FA primer up, with a spotlight on 10 teams (PHI being one).

    An excerpt:
    “Oh, how the Eagles have longed for a safety since the Brian Dawkins days. They’ve tried by drafting guys like Nate Allen and Jaiquawn Jarrett and signing veterans like Chung, but nothing has worked for them, and it’s been Philadelphia’s biggest weakness for years. If they are ever going to invest at safety, Byrd — a top-of-the-line model in the prime of his career at 27 — is the guy who makes the most sense. (The only way he could fit Philly better would be if his name were Wawa Byrd.) This would be the right move for everyone involved.”

    http://grantland.com/features/the-10-teams-that-should-dominate-free-agency/

    • Tom W

      Love Barnwell. Too bad most eagles fans think it’s 1996 and safeties aren’t important in the nfl and unless the safety is a future hall of famer they aren’t worth 8.5-9 mil a year.

      • cliff henny

        nawh,that’s 1 site with loyal but limited following. go on bgn or csn or here, the argument is pay top of market vs set the market. no idea how anyone can argue Jenkins/allen 4-5m vs ward/byrd 8-9m. have to make sure the people you discussing safeties with know the pricing. saw plenty of guys over there think ward’s getting 5-6m and Jenkins 3m.

        • Tom W

          I know just bustin ballz.
          As long as we make an offer…and it be a reasonable one … to byrd (and or ward) I will be happy.

        • Maggie

          There was someone on T. Lawlor’s site yesterday actually projecting $5 million for Byrd! Very strange. I personally don’t care who is signed or drafted, etc, just as long as they can do the job! And they don’t break the bank for 5 years and don’t screw up the “culture” the Eagles seem to have.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        I like him too; found it interesting he thought Casey was such a bust signing and is due to be cut. And made the point about re-tread low risk, medium reward players like Chung and Casey not panning out but then suggests signing Raji and Antonio Smith

        • Ark87

          He really doesn’t like the Cooper deal. He can’t mention the Eagles without bringing it up. He’s one of the better national writers out there, though. My only reservation: he’s a Giants fan, jerk.

    • Nfl All Day

      Love me some Wawa!

    • Tom W

      Yea I have seen a couple national guys call Casey a giant bust … I wouldnt necessarily call him a Bust but I think Chip doesn’t see him as the brightest guy or the pass catching te ….great blocker and versatility but at his price its alot. Wonder what we do w him this year … celek is locked in (but no dead money if cut) and ertz will get more time … how does casey fit going forward????????
      What is going to be crazy is if Ebron drops to us in the draft … it will be very difficult not to take him as BPA as he grades out just below graham and gronk BUT he certainly wouldn’t be BUA …. lets hope Barr falls there too or Ebron is gone so we don’t have to make that choice.

  • Stuart Philp

    Does anyone know what Byrd is like in the locker room? How about outside of football? Is he a character guy, a hard-worker, or would we be getting into a prima donna type situation?

    • cliff henny

      legit All-Pro safety…the guy has got a lot of leeway in my eyes

    • Ark87

      he’s wanted to be the highest paid safety in the league for some time now. Loves his money, but played hard in Buffalo even after being franchised. Wasn’t making “business decisions” on the field. I have no questions about on the field, in the locker room and at home I have no clue.

    • Token

      Dont know for sure. But wasnt Marshawn Lynch a problem near the end? That seemed to work out. Hes playing in Buffalo. Have you ever been there? Its nearly as bad as it gets when talking about NFL cities. Cant imagine living there while also playing on a terrible team.

      • Maggie

        And yet there’s Green Bay. Yes, great dynasty, but they’ve had awful years too. Don’t hear much about players desperate to get out. At least in Buffalo you can go look at Niagara Falls.

  • greenblood0118

    Lol @ illiterate AP..

  • Mr. Wu

    off topic but is anyone else worried that they didn’t sign Donnie Jones yet?

  • Dreday410

    One fact that is not being reported…CHIP KELLY actually has the final say on roster moves and signings (One of Three head coaches with that power) So really Chip is HC/GM as well, so Howie must knock on his door too.