Mailbag: Curry As a Trade Chip?

Vinny Curry

I’m pinch-hitting for T-Mac on the mailbag this week. Without further ado, here are your questions and my answers on all things Eagles.

I’ve gotten several versions of this question in the comments section, so now seems like a good time to respond.

Yesterday I identified six safeties the Eagles could target in free agency (from high-profile guys to sleepers): Jairus Byrd, T.J. Ward, Malcolm Jenkins, Mike Mitchell, Stevie Brown and Darian Stewart.




Among that group, Byrd and Ward are clearly the stand-outs. But I'd say Jenkins and Mitchell are pretty clearly better options than Nate Allen.

Brown is a bit of a wild card since he missed all of last season with a knee injury. Allen and Stewart are probably similar, although I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of Stewart.

Allen deserves credit for improving last year. He tackled better and got beat less. Allen is considered a high-character locker room guy who fits the culture Chip Kelly is trying to develop. But he hasn't proven he's capable of doing anything special. He's not a playmaker, a great blitzer or a big hitter. He doesn't possess elite cover skills or great range.

In other words, he's adequate.

Everything depends on how the market plays out, and the Eagles need bodies at safety. So I wouldn't rule out his return completely. But the guess here is that both Allen and the Eagles go their separate ways this offseason.

I'd be more comfortable answering this question on May 11 once we've seen what they do in free agency and the draft. But I think they're in great position to be better than last year.

Offensively, Nick Foles will be in his second season in Kelly's system. Matching last year's numbers will be difficult, but it's reasonable to expect that he'll be more comfortable. There's no reason LeSean McCoy and DeSean Jackson should take a step back. Rookies like Zach Ertz and Lane Johnson should get better. And they're adding Jeremy Maclin to the mix.

As for moves, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Eagles add a versatile offensive lineman who can challenge Todd Herremans or fill a backup role. I'm also not going to be shocked if they add a wide receiver in the draft. Maclin is on a one-year deal, and Riley Cooper's essentially on a two-year deal when you look at guaranteed money. Howie Roseman referenced the Broncos last week when talking about the Eagles' offense. You get the feeling Kelly is never truly satisfied in terms of having enough weapons.

Defensively, we know safety is a need. They could use depth on the defensive line and at inside linebacker. Going into next year with Connor Barwin, Trent Cole and Brandon Graham as the OLBs wouldn't be the end of the world, but I think they'll look to upgrade there as well.

And of course, special teams is worth taking a look at.

But overall, I don't see any major losses from a year ago. If the Eagles add significant talent at safety and outside linebacker, I'll be ready to take my expectations to a new level.

I'd say there's a decent chance either Graham or Vinny Curry gets moved.

Let's start with Graham. There has been some confusion about whether he's signed through next season or 2015. Per Joel Corry, it's the former. That could make it difficult to deal him. How many teams are going to want to give something up for a player who is essentially a one-year rental?

Curry actually might be the more interesting name. If I were the GM of a 4-3 team, I would absolutely have interest in Curry. He's shown ability to rush the passer, can make plays behind the line of scrimmage in the run game and seems like a great locker room guy. Curry is also signed at a low number through 2015.

He did an admirable job of putting weight on and tried to fit into the Eagles' two-gap scheme last year. And it's true that the Eagles played a lot of nickel with four down linemen anyway. But the sense I got last year was that the coaching staff still didn't see Curry as a great fit. Remember, there were multiple rumors at the trade deadline that they were open to dealing him.

Keep an eye on what the Eagles do in free agency. If they invest in defensive line depth, they could look to move Curry before the draft.

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  • Vet Linc

    Graham will always be viewed as a rental type of player regardless of how many years are left on his contract. He’s the kind of player that will always be fighting for a spot and be in danger of being cut. The only reason he wasn’t cut until now was to try and salvage something due to the ridiculous acquisition cost.

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    Sheil, is there a benefit to trying to trade a guy like Graham or Curry earlier at the start of the year (i.e., around next week) vs. waiting for the draft? If Curry is being shopped, what would make a team wait until the draft to pull the trigger? I assume it’s only whether that team gets to sign a FA they target, or has to look elsewhere. But would it effect value if they wait too long, since teams know Howie would like to pull the trigger this year (before this draft)?

    • GEAGLE

      Trades right now are just not likely. Teams are way too busy racing each other to sign players, there is just no time to be working out trades…if we are making trades I assume they would be announced during the draft

      • Tikkit

        That seems to be the way most player trades go anyway. Post FA to get a decent valuation of team by team need and proper compensation.

  • G_WallyHunter

    Jabostick nice feature!

  • Joe from Easton

    Graham and #22 for Dion!!!!!

    • knighn

      Throw in Casey Matthews, Patrick Chung and Demaris Jackson just to be sure!

      • Joe from Easton

        Whoa Whoa Whoa, Chung? Who’s gonna be our overpaid water boy then?

        • Kevin

          Miami might want our 2nd round pick too if they have to take Chung :)

          • Joe from Easton

            hahaha

          • Jerry Pomroy

            See my response above… :-)

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That would only work if we could somehow fool them into believing Casey was Clay & D Johnson was D Jackson, then they’d take Chung as the trash thrown in.

        • cliff henny

          if they’re dumb enough to buy all that, maybe we could convince them it’s WangChung, and he’d play at halftime for free.

          • hillbillybirdsfan

            Shame we still don’t have Ed Wang, we really could have done a Wang Chung trade.

  • DoctorRick

    Sheil, any thoughts on mid or late round sleeper picks to improve or back up weak positions? I’m thinking of position players like safety Deone Bucannon of WSU or Kicker Anthony Fera of Texas.

    • Uncle Wonder

      i doubt Bucannon is a mid-late round pick…my guess is he will b gone top of 3rd if not late 2nd.

      • GEAGLE

        Wouldn’t be surprised if he went top 10 in round 2, think he could be the best safety in the draft when it’s all said and done…I SWEAR if we were about to take haha at 22, I’d be begging them to reach for Buchanon instead

        • dmancine9

          THANK YOU! I’ve been dying for someone to tell me why Bucannon isn’t ranked higher. He’s bigger and faster than the top safeties. His production in college was outstanding. He hits like a truck. The only knock I could think of was coverage, but he looked great on tape (obviously I’m not a scout, but he moves well for a SS) I hope we get this guy in the 2nd round

          • GEAGLE

            Anytime you see a safety his size, you will automatically see a bunch of dopes write that he has bad hips…but for those that actually watch him. He is pretty damn fluid…if Pryor were actually 6’2, I would call him the top prospect, but at his size and combine, I’d rather have Buchannon. I honestly prefer him over any safety in is draft, unless Joyner can grow 4 inches in the next two months lol

          • sig

            I love how crazy everyone gets when it comes to safety hight. Look at some of the top Safeties in the league. Early Thomas: 5’10, Jairus Byrd: 5’10, T.J. Ward: 5’10, Devin McCourty: 5’10, Eric Berry: 6’0, Kenny Vaccaro: 6’0

            I know it can be a factor but it really is not that big of a deal. Look on a ruler, 2 inches is not a lot. I love looking at high, weight, and so on as much as the next sports fan. However people like to dismiss someones ability because they are an inch shorter then the ideal size of a safety.

          • GEAGLE

            I talked about this last week, that two Inch difference is very over rated, it can also be misleading depending on arm length, Verticle jump….I mean, how many inches does Dez Bryant have on Boykin? Like 5 inches or something? And we still saw Boykin get up and get that crucial Batted pass at it’s highest point over Dez Bryant,,,,…6’2 is ideal for our DBs, but we can go down to 5’11 if it’s a special player…I just don’t want to go all the way down to those 5’8 players

          • Doctor Rick

            I think he’s not ranked higher because he played for Wash State. The bad news is he didn’t get much spotlight. The good news is that he got lots of reps.

          • GEAGLE

            The good news is that he had some quality performances against Oregon, so I’m sure we will know him well

    • Tom W

      Deone will be a second rounder.

      4th or later
      Dontae Johnson – c/s, Halippio from florida – guard, colt lyeria, DAT, OLB from south florida, georgia te, Liberty University corner, Pitt qb, Pitt wr, Oklahoma corner, boseko lombo -olb, delaware NT, ronnie powell – olb – florida, lots more olineman, huff from byu,

      • GEAGLE

        Love me some Boseko as a camp body and see if he can ST his way on the roster

  • paul in sw florida

    Hey there, long time reader, first time caller…

    I’m curious, why didn’t you list the Dolphins Chris Clemons as a possible FA Safety?

    • Joe from Easton

      Welcome, Paul! You’ll be addicted in no time.

    • GEAGLE

      We won’t go after him. We could have signed him last year and we had no interest. He is basically Nate Allen. I’m actually not even sure if Clemons would sign with a cold weather team, but he isn’t an upgrade for us, he would be a pointless lateral move

      • philliesfan136

        He may not be much of an upgrade over Nate Allen …. but not a upgrade over Patrick Chung ……. are you serious ? They should have signed him last year. He signed for 1 year for $ 2.75 million, with only $ 1 million guaranteed. Where as they instead signed ( the major bust ) Chung for 3 years and $ 10 million and $ 3 million guaranteed. Was Patrick Chung 3 times better than Clemens ? Clemens played all 16 games last year, plus had 92 tackles ( 62 ) solo, where Chung only played 12 games, and had only 59 tackles ( 39 ) solo. Chung was also benched several times in favor of a 5th round rookie. Just my opinion but they should sign T J Ward as their strong safety, and add Chris Clemens as their free safety. I think both players would be good fits schematically and also fit into the teams financial parameters for signing free agents.

    • Maggie

      Even this site has some opiniated people (;~}) and several seem to have a low opinion of Clemons. Welcome anyway. I have a brother in Venice, near Sarasota. Anywhere near you?

  • anon

    Anyone think we take a look at fa Devin Hester? He could go to tb but may be cheap answer to a tough problem. Like mccluster better but Hester could be cheap.

    • Joe from Easton

      I was thinking the same thing. We only need him to return kicks. Worst case scenario he does fit the “swiss army knife” profile, albeit an old swiss army knife. He could be an emergency player for a few positions or a special package guy.

      • GEAGLE

        How was he as a returner last year. I literally have no clue if he is still good or if he fell off. Love to hear from those that know

        • Joe from Easton

          Not sure, let me see if I can find some info.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol I know how to work the google too, I’m asking if anyone would know because they actually watched the bears…I don’t spent much time watching other teams that don’t have a top defense

          • anon

            Even as an old dude and a guy people kick away from he was still top 10.

          • GEAGLE

            That’s right, he is getting pretty damn old isn’t he?

            Doubt we need to worry about return men…Chip will draft a WR, odds are, he will be able to return kicks..Chip really liked Cordarelle last year

        • Joe from Easton

          Led the league in KR yards…haha

    • Sb2bowl

      Well, its probably either him or Brad Smith— and Brad Smith plays ST’s (gunner on punts, kick off coverage) where Hester is primarily a returner (albeit, a great one). Hard to say, but I think it would be an “either or” type situation

      • Andy124

        Good point about Smith. If comes down to Smith vs. Hester for a roster spot, I’d take Smith.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I’ll do you one better, Damaris or Hester? Then take your choice of those two and pick between them or McCluster?

        Assuming $$s are right of course.

      • GEAGLE

        I’d also much rather play Brad on offense then hester

        • anon

          But you know Hester is good for a return rd or two a season.

      • Uncle Wonder

        i didnt see anything from smith last yr tht wld make me want him bk…ill nvr forget tht NO gm when he took the kickoff and just jogged 15 yds on a beeline to the sideline lol

        • peteike

          yup, Ive mentioned that play before, really bothered me.

    • Uncle Wonder

      Speed kills…we havent had even a mediocre return man since B Mitch…gotta find a way to fix that.

    • OregonDucker

      Chip will get DAT on the cheap. He likes his versatility.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I don’t know about ‘dat, someone may like him a little bit more than Chip does to take him a little higher than he should go.

        *See what I did there…

  • Nfl All Day

    Curry is a guy I ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT TRADE. Coming off the Dream Team debacle, you had a locker room full of guys who did not care about the fans or what it meant to be an Eagle. They draft this kid who grew up bleeding green, and it shows everytime he opens his mouth. That might sound silly to some, but it matters. Dawk left and took the heart of this team with him. You had Avant Babinn and Casey Matthews bad mouthing fans and the city. This kid gets it.

    I personally dont care if he’s too small to be your ideal 3-4 end. He put on 15lbs last off season and wil put on more this year. Trent cole weighed 235lbs coming out and has bulked up to 270lbs. All Curry does is produce. They sit him on the bench for the start of every year thinking he’s not ready and doesn’t fit, then he gets his chance and he impresses. He’s not Brandon Graham. You deal this kid you’ll be sorry watching him put up 15 sacks when he finally gets a chance to play on a regular basis. He’s a better pass rusher than Cox and Thornton. Let him play. Stop the madness.

    • cliff henny

      beat Geagle to it.

      • GEAGLE

        Don’t worry, I caught up

    • guest

      Did you really just include Jason Avant in guys that aren’t good for the locker room? And you said that Curry should stay because he grew up as an Eagles fan?

      Brian Dawkins grew up as a Cowboys fan. Look it up.

      And Jason Avant was the best locker room guy this organization has had since Reggie White.

      And 18 people voted this up?

      • Nfl All Day

        Never said Avant wasnt good for the lockerroom. I said he was critical of fans who were angry at a team that didnt give the effort we expect. Which he was. Reading comprehension.

        • Nfl All Day

          Id also put Dawkins, Trotter, Runyan, and Troy above Avant in terms of locker room presencen but thats just me.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol cuz you have so much behind the scenes intel to be able to differentiate between a bunch of great leaders and quality men

          • Nfl All Day

            Those four are pretty much no brainers. Considering Troy was almost voted President of the Players Union, I’d call that a sign of respect. You ever listen to an interview you hear guys speak to the level of respect all of them commanded. The idea that you have to be on the field to contribute leadership, which all of them were integral parts of their unit, not possession recievers. Yeah, I’m comfortable making that statement.

            Funny that geagle of all people would call someone out for acting like they had inside info tho. I’m smiling ear to f% cking ear at the irony!

    • myeaglescantwin

      what if Curry and a 2nd or 3rd could get you Jordan?

      • Nfl All Day

        nah. I don’t think Jordan is special. Who knows what that two or three could be. It’s just my opinion. I like the idea of a stable of pass rushers coming off the bench like Seattle brought Bennett, Clemens, Irvin, Bryant, all with different skill sets, coming in waves.

        • Jeff Asay

          Jordan may be a bust, but he also would be the exact fit for what the Eagles don’t have. I’d do a Von Hayes 5-1 if I could unload all the 4-3 ends on the roster. Cole, Graham, Curry, and two tackling dummies for a true OLB specimen.

    • Jeff Asay

      Sorry man, but there’s an All-22 in the archives from the Saints game I believe that shows Curry getting schooled. He doesn’t play many downs because he can’t be trusted to do anything other than pin his ears back. He’s Babin all over again. And that’s not how this defense is set up. He can be a 3rd down specialist in a 4-3, but he can’t play in a 3-4. He doesn’t do the things well that are required of an end in this 3-4. Buh-bye Vinny Curry.

      • Nfl All Day

        You see Seattle last year in FA went out and got a gang of pass rushers when they already had a few good ones, to be able to bring heat with the front 4. Because thats what beats elite QBs. And it worked. My point is why go pay $6-8M for a specialist when you have a cheap kid who can get after it now. Aside from the fact he’s entering his THIRD YEAR with very little playing time to date. You have no idea what type of player Vinny Curry is. How big he’ll get. Or how well he’ll function in this system. I can tell you that he had as many sacks as Cox and Thornton COMBINED last year in a fraction of the snaps. The kids got talent…….microwave society, if it ain’t done in 30 seconds throw it out. Its broken.

        • Jeff Asay

          Did you read the article? His technique is poor and his learning curve is too flat. And the playmakers are the OLB’s not the ends in this system. He’s just a poor fit. If Eagles played a 4-3 I would agree with you to load up. He’s a 4-3 end in a 3-4 system. Let him enjoy success getting 10 sacks in a 4-3. Owning a thoroughbred when you need a plow horse is a luxury. Let the Eagles reload with OLB’s who can play the system they’re installing.

  • Tom W

    Offseason plan/discussion w my boy in office (who eerily thinks like geagle and lawlor)

    Need to address between free agency and draft — not necessarily starters but improvements on what we have — looking to 2014 and more importantly 2015-16

    1) starting safety
    2) safety
    3) corner
    4) olb
    5) ilb
    6) guard
    7) wr

    Not counting new kicker.

    At is stands today we have 7 picks in the draft. In our wildest dreams, four of those spots can be addressed in the draft (if we don’t go off reservation w BPA as opposed to my preferred Best UpGRADE Available or BUA!) Maybe 5 if we go guard in rd 5 (my boy from florida or furman). Hell if we get another 7 u should always take an olineman there too bc a fair number become starters.

    Need to look at free agency and draft together. Based on what Howie has said and proper team building w finite financial resources, you should typically look to best values in free agency and best upgrades/best players in the draft.

    Fill some holes in free agency so we can draft BUA. Looks like a starting S (maybe 2 or bench guy), a corner, and or guard. need 3 in free agency to fill holes so we can blow up the draft.

    1) Safety — starting safety has to be one of them so its not a need in draft. Even 2 guys wouldn’t kill us cause we can cut chunger and draft one. BOTH FA and DRAFT

    2) WR would be dumb w the depth in draft plus we gotta get younger bc of the money we spending on the big 3 wrs. DRAFT

    3) ILB dont see one ilb that helps in free agency plus we gotta get younger for meco DRAFT

    4) Corner — I see corners I like in free agency that could be value if its a new starter OR a new 4th corner. Most likely a new 4th corner bc age is not a concern at corner w longshot of a starting corner. BOTH

    5) OLB — I dont see pure 3-4 olbs in free agency that won’t be getting overpaid. Safe that for draft. dont want another conversion unless its a value. Trade Graham if need be to get another pick or move up etc. DRAFT

    6) Guard — I see some guys in our wheelhouse in free agency … young good and value plays maybe bc guards don’t cost a ton. the two guards from the chiefs and some others. even if they don’t start, they can push Todd and at the least replace julian if they could backup center. injury replacement. Also lots of guys in draft even in 5th or later. EITHER but i wouldn’t be upset if howie sees a nice value if free agency to make a move here.

    Need one more pick in first 4 rds — preferably 2. dont care where but prefer a 2 and 3. AND i would trade a 2 next year for a 2 this year if need be w the niners — time value is actually a drop in one round via trade so we still make out

    Best trade potential w niners (22 for 2 late 2s and late 3d) or browns or anyteam who wants Carr or Garapolo or maybe even McCarron OR best ot/safety/corner/te if they drop to 22.

    • GEAGLE

      Hahahah love it!!!

    • Jerry Pomroy

      If I’m doing that trade, I’d want to get further up in second rd. I’d take the niners 61 (2nd rd) & our 4th and move up to around 40 in 2nd rd and grab M Smith. That still leaves us with picks 54 & 56 (from niners) in 2nd rd and two 3rd rounders (based on the deal you’ve laid out), to snatch up a S, WR, ILB & CB. We’d have no 4th, but two 5th rounders & a 7th to look for BPA value picks, or even potentially package one of those 5ths & our 7th to move back into the latter 1/3 of the 4th rd. How often does a 7th really give you anything? In doing this your maximizing your amount of players that could be day 1 impacts or possibly yr 2 starters.

      • Tom W

        I would be fine w that.
        the eaglesrewind guy did a draft study last year and the only position you can expect to land starters in the 7th round was an olineman … easiest center to guard and even tackle (by converting them to guard) or you have a guy who can play more than one position and stick on team as your 7th ol. no other position provided any meaningful return in the 7th rd

    • OregonDucker

      Don’t forget DAT for kick returns and punts.

      • Maggie

        There could be a couple of WRs available in FA who can catch, block and return kicks, however I can’t say their names or someone posting on here calls ME some bad words.

        • GEAGLE

          Calling you worthless isn’t a bad name, it’s a valid opinion….hahahahahahahaha classic, this chick still thinks we will sign golden Tate after we paying 3 starting WRs already,.,how can you expect me to not look at you as a complete joke? Like How could I possibly not?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            That’s 15yds and an ejection for targeting.

        • OregonDucker

          Sorry to see that Maggie. I enjoy your posts, although I may disagree at times. I am not as invested as some, nor am I as well versed in all things Eagles – it’s going to take me a few years. I do understand the passion however.

  • Joe from Easton

    Just reading B/R’s top 1,000… They have JP as the #2 LT in NFL, LJ as #11 RT in NFL, JK as #2 C in NFL, and EM as #2 G in NFL… Best offensive line in the NFL anyone? I think so.

    • Uncle Wonder

      I’m guessing Herremans brings down the average ranking lol

      • Joe from Easton

        Yea, he was #43. Easy to hide an average guard between a future all-pro center and a future pro-bowl right tackle though.

        • GEAGLE

          I’m sure if you ranked him the first half of the season, and then ranked his second half, he would be drastically different, I can assure you the transition we asked him to make! doesn’t exactly happen overnight. I didn’t take a close look at his technique(but if we don’t add someone and Herremans is the starter, I will go back and watch his technique from last year this summer)…I think there is a good chance he has a much better year then last season(can’t be sure without dissecting the technique and then compare it to Mathis technique)..but either way, we need to get his eventual replacement in the pipeline working with Stout….I’m also sure that our naked eyes blamed Todd for some things that were really the rookies fault

    • GEAGLE

      The line should be about 30 percent better then it was last years which was pretty damn good overall

      • Uncle Wonder

        knock on wood…we had exceptional health across the board last yr

        • GEAGLE

          Screw your wood lol, I knock on sports science!!! Jk

      • Vet Linc

        I think it’s going to be 27.823412341324983741 percent better.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          You have to round it up for him…that’s 28% G… ;-)

  • Aran

    What’s the downside to keeping Nate Allen on as a backup/situational guy? Rather him than KC in that role

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      because someone will be paying him to start

      • Aran

        That doesn’t even address my question. You say “will” like it’s a foregone conclusion with no interest by him to stick around, and still my question was from OUR team’s perspective.

        • Tikkit

          Downside: Too much money for a backup when he’ll be getting midrange starter money elsewhere.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          of course it addresses it. Kelly could love him like his own son, but he’s not going to stay in a fanbase that hates him, for less money and less snaps. There’s an excellent chance we’re bringing in at least 1 safety in FA. Some team will pay him 3-4mil a year to at least compete, if not pencil in, as a starter.

    • GEAGLE

      I wrote this yesterday but I’ll ask this question again,,,why do people assume Nate would even talk to us? We treated him like garbage for 4 years, I bet GB,the bengals!Dolphins, rams,jets, Chicago start looking better to him then philly

      • Uncle Wonder

        Meh…i think he cld b a case of being worth more to us than anybody else…a player tht is summarily roasted cant be worth all tht much on the open market can he? put another way…are bloggers in other cities w S needs doing writeups on the prospects of Allen being targeted by their team? i honestly hv no idea but nothing is set in stone just yet…i wldnt b surprised if he is bk nxt yr…different doesnt always mean better and he has experience on his side.

        • GEAGLE

          See how our silly fans think Clemons would be an upgrade?
          I think like 5 other fanbases feel the way we feel about Nate for their free agent safety…so while our fans see Clemons has size and is a name they know…I’m sure there are fans of teams who have Clemons, Mitchell! that think Nate would be an upgrade.
          ..,
          I wouldn’t be surprised if Nate wanted no parts of us and is ready for a change of scenery, I mean we made him our whipping boy for 4 years…I wouldn’t be re signing with us if I were him

          • 76mustang

            IDK, Banner is gone, the friction in the FO is gone, there’s a culture in place where a player can reach his full potential if he’s willing to put in the hard work, and a coaching staff that has made believers of the team nucleus and ownership. If some team out there saw him as a starter and was willing to pay him as one, then he’d be right to jump on it, otherwise, a rotational backup on an up and coming Philly team, with a year in the new system under his belt, is not a bad place to be at all.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah,in theory sure, I have to agree with you…but I just can’t possibly believe that there is no starting job offer for him in FA..the kid actually had a decent year…honestly, if I had a magic wand, I’d make it so he had one more year on his contract so I could see how much more he could build off last season before I had to decide if I wanted to extend him or not

          • cliff henny

            if he was reading my comments on here, hope he doesn’t replace Mitchell and get a beach house in Myrtle. might have to hide from the guy

          • philliesfan136

            Google, ….. I mean , Geagle, have you ever heard of the expression that ” familiarity breeds contempt ? ” If you haven’t, look it up. Hint – people can not accept the ( same ) person doing something ( wrong or poorly ) repeatedly ….. but, they are willing to give a ( NEW ) person the benefit of the doubt, that they will do better, or can improve.

        • sig

          I think if we get one of the top 2 safeties, then Nate Allen is gone, there will be other teams that will pay him to come in and start, and the price would be to high to bring him back knowing he would be competing with Wolff for a starting job. If both Byrd and Ward find new teams that don’t involve midnight green then I think Nate Allen would be a good option. There would be an open competition between 2-3 new safeties and Wolff for the two starting spots.

        • Maggie

          Has he been summarily roasted by the fans? What difference does that make? Other teams scouts and FOs will look at the horrendous crap on the defensive side of the LOS for 3 of the last 4 years and think maybe he can play with some stability and coaching around him. Gotta remember that the professional sports teams do not give one rat’s behind about a single fan’s opinion on a single website. We are here merely to entertain ourselves, and occasionally, each other.

      • philliesfan136

        Dude, …. did you watch this guy play ? Are you a Eagles fan ? This guy has been a F%#ing punk a$$ bust for 3 years straight ! I’ve seen female lacrosse players tougher than this cream puff. He finally plays better in his final ( contract ) year, thanks, but no thanks. I would rather get kicked in the balls by three different people, than let one person do it three times !!

  • cliff henny

    my understanding of Graham’s contract is ’15 is team option / voidable year. so, while in Philly he’s on last year (assume FO will void ’15), traded to a new team, they could have him thru ’15 at 3+m per. the bigger issue with Graham is he has an escalator of 4.1m in ’14 (don’t know a bout ’15, sure there’s something similar), so any team trading for him certainly has plans to play him, and have those escalators kick in. realistically, trading for unproven Graham and 5,5m-7.5m salary, i’m guessing, since no idea what escalators are, assuming it’s linked to playing time. Id be happy with a Soapoga type trade, Graham and 7th for a 6th, maybe 5th.
    .
    Havent read thru comments, but sure Johnny Geagle will being going sufficiently ballistic on this idea of trading Curry

    • GEAGLE

      Glad I didn’t disappoint lol

  • GEAGLE

    wtf I new Graham’s contract expired and Yous made me believe he had two years left,.
    ..
    Come on Sheil,stop with the curry nonsense. Leave the BS to McManus. you are better than that. No shit he isn’t a great fit, you judging him after one year of being asked to make the greatest transition of anyone on the roster. Open your eyes and watch year two before you talk about what type of fit he is….btw, there is a role for a Nickle pass rusher on every single team no matter what scheme they run, so fit my ass lol

    • anon

      Not an every down lineman and he’s gone after his contract us up, why not get value for him? Rather get mire picks in this draft class.

      • anon

        Who would you prefer curry or dat/lyerla?

        • GEAGLE

          That’s not even a question in my eyes…Vinny all day. ATleast for one more year, he is literally untradeable in my eyes at this point

      • GEAGLE

        Who you talking about? Curry? What’s an every down linemen? Every DL works off of a rotation these days…and since our Nickle defense is what really needs the improvement, not sure why the hell we would give up a potential Nickle pass rush weapon before we see him in year two…I wouldn’t care if we didn’t ask him to litally make the most difficult transition out of everyone on our roster

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Consider too that he chiseled up to improve his agility/stamina/range in anticipation of playing LB, then had to bulk up on top of it.

          • GEAGLE

            Exactly, he literally was asked to make the hardest transition out of anyone on our roster..there is no way anyone could rationally have expected anything more out of him last year…I hate when I see people rushing to trade away something that they don’t even know. You can’t trade away what you don’t know, and there is just no way to know how much better he can be til he gets this offseason to improve his DT body, and two gap technique

          • Jerry Pomroy

            You know who I’d like to see drop 10lbs & chisel up because he would be an absolute menace to society in the backfield?…

            Maaaarcuuus Daaaarling!

          • GEAGLE

            Hope when you type it, you hear it in that nasty old ladies shriveled up voice…that’s how it plays in my head lol

            Maaaaaaaarcus Daaaaaaaarling..I’m not wearing any panties lol

          • GEAGLE

            How hype would you be if you hear Goodell announce him as Maaaaaarcus Daaaaaarling when he announces that the eagles drafted him?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Pretty effin hype!! He’s my favorite OLB prospect outside of Mack. I honestly think he could be as good as Mack, if not an even better pass rusher.

          • GEAGLE

            Couldn’t possibly Agree any more…although I’d probably have to take Barr ahead of him too? SOOO much ability, I could never Live with myself if I passed on him and he went on to realize all that damn potential

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I don’t know. I like Barr’s mean streak & he’s definitely got a high ceiling but he’s also a much bigger boom/bust risk. I think Mack & Smith are your two “best bets” to be successful. They don’t have the boom potential of Barr, but safer nonetheless. Obviously Mack more so than Smith, but you get my point.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t disagree at all, and I absolutely look at Marcus as being much safer then Barr…I guess my decision would probably depend on his interview, and Charecter/intelligence Intel..other then his mean streak I don’t know anything else about who he is as a person! and to me, passion,intelligence,work ethic,commitment to excellence,coachable…is the difference between taking a risky prospect with a crazy upside or passing on him. And if your coaches aren’t great with developing young raw talent, then I wouldmy even consider it

          • Jerry Pomroy

            One area that Barr needs to improve is his instincts, particularly with the run game. I can’t count how many times he bit on a fake handoff or guessed run crashing inside, only to find the RB go out wide or the QB keep it. But those are also some of the plays where he flashes his athleticism because despite him throwing himself out of position he was able to recoup and still get in on or chase down the QB/RB.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I believe that is Ertha Kitt (cat woman in the old batman days). But yes, it runs in my head just like that.

          • GEAGLE

            Lady is soooo gross!!!! She is like E.Ts twin sister

          • Jerry Pomroy

            LMAO!! ETs twin sister! Bahhh-hahaha!

            It’s a shame to cause she was a hotty as cat woman.

          • Maggie

            Eartha Kitt made a nice living for a long time with that come-hither purring voice. She was more in my parents’ time, back when males had to use their imagination rather than an endless parade of exposed young girls .

      • Maggie

        Seattle did pretty well with a rotating D-line. Of course nobody makes the Pro Bowl, but that shiny SB trinket will fit pretty nicely on their fingers.

        • GEAGLE

          As if every single friggin team hasn’t been rotating their DL for years now…get back to playing Spell Check, it’s much more useful

  • Tikkit

    By the way, didn’t get a chance to say this earlier: POLLARD WON’T BE AN EAGLE!!!!! Suh-weet.

    • GEAGLE

      Huh? He signed a two year deal last week

      • Tikkit

        I know but I didn’t comment until now. Excited about a non signing is all.

        • GEAGLE

          Oh gotcha…thought I was missing something

  • GEAGLE

    Colts got Dqwell Jackson. Nice move for them, happy they kept him out of NFC east…Giants and skins should have went after him hard!

    • Tikkit

      No kidding. One of my favorite UMD players over the past decade.

      • GEAGLE

        Loved his game!!! Ferocious defender who played the game the way you are supposed to

  • TheSauceAge

    @nflallday:disqus I agree with you 100 and 10% about Curry !!! He absolutely will not be traded, he’s a special player. Vinny was in the opponents backfield almost every down he played in. To be honest I would love to see what Graham will do with more p.t , he gets to the q.b., he was the only pass rush we had against the Saints. If we can’t get a second or 3rd for Graham then a trade is just not worth it. Also I’m tired of all the Desean trade speculation. Only way that happens and it’s highly unlikely is a trade that sends us a top ten pick in this years draft and a conditional 3rd or 4th round pick.

    • GEAGLE

      Howie Roseman commented on Djax rumors but I’m not really sure how to read between the lines on his comments

  • GEAGLE

    Word is the Byrd wants 9mil per

    • Tikkit

      Link?
      Also, Howie? You can do that. Really.

      • GEAGLE

        Roto

    • oreofestar

      where did you see that because we can do that!

      • GEAGLE

        Rotoworlds fantasy NFL news section

  • cliff henny

    AP tweeted Vick makes Vikes playoff team.

    • Tikkit

      Takes them to the playoffs right?
      Translation: Vick is springing for tickets.

      • GEAGLE

        Lol as if Vick can last til the playoffs!!!poor AP, he getting desperate lol

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That’s the ticket…Tikkit.

    • GEAGLE

      Yeah looks like He wants Vick.
      ..
      Any one know if Matt Cassell to the texans is already official! or was it just a rumor I heard?

      • cliff henny

        will be a blast to watch, for 4-6 games.

        • GEAGLE

          Absolutely…heck I’d root for them. Hoping Bears,Vikes,Lions can keep GB at of the playoffs…..I don’t want to end up playing a road playoff game in the frozen tundra

    • anon

      Could you imagine running the read option with that? Crazy.

    • dnabrice

      Cunningham after the Eagles made them awesome for that 1 year back in the day…Granted he was throwing to Moss and Chris Carter…

    • JofreyRice

      Their offense isn’t horrible. Good T’s, good C. Still probably have the best RB in the game. Screen/YAC threat in Patterson, Z receiver in Jennings, and Jarius Wright as the deep threat.

      He might be right. They made the playoffs with Ponder and Joe Webb. Vick is better than either of those guys. Like anything, it just comes down to his health. Vick will have suitors, for sure.

      • GEAGLE

        Decent TE too…you are right, other then a QB, they have most of the he offensive pieces in place,,,they even extended that no name RB who played OK against us

        • JofreyRice

          Yeah, Notre Dame can definitely churn out some TEs. Just about the only position they can do that with…

          • GEAGLE

            Sad but true… Good friend of mine was a Notre dame
            WR, who went on to disapointment in the NFL….Stovall, so that Charlie Wiess,Brady Quinn. Jeff Samarja team was the only Notre dame team I ever rooted for

      • cliff henny

        for a team that just spent the last 3 yrs playing the “QB carousel” game because of talent, would be getting back on same ride with health. hey, i’d watch, probably pull for them over other 3 teams. don’t want to see Rodgers ever, and cant stand Cutler or Stafford.

        • GEAGLE

          Can’t wait to find out what team Vick signs with so I can start spying on that teams blog so I can catch Dutch, #7 and see what other fake eagles fans followed Vick to his new team….
          ..
          I actually have a lot of respect for Vick, and I wish him well when he isn’t playing us, so I’m hoping he gets a decent situation like the Vikings..especially since they never really bothered me as a franchise,

          • Jerry Pomroy

            You forgot smiley large butt. Oh and I saw #7 resurface today. Can’t remember if it was 24/7 or iggles, but he came outta his hiding space today with the news that the Eagles had a slight interest in re-signing Vick as a backup.

          • GEAGLE

            Oh god..I forgot about sweet candy ass, wish you didn’t remind me lol…I forgot who did it, but I think it was this past Sunday, someone spotted Dutch commenting on another site and pasted it on this site…it made my day :)

        • JofreyRice

          tough when you don’t have a qb. Gotta grasp at straws. I’ve got to think they take one of these 2nd round guys to bring along behind a Vet; someone like Garropolo, Carr, McCarron or Brett Smith, however it plays out between now and then. So bringing in Vick might only buy you 8-10 starts, but that would be 8-10 starts you wouldn’t have to roll a rookie out for.

          I’d love for the Birds to pick up Josh Freeman, if they let him go. PERFECT candidate to bring along as a 3rd QB–see what Chip can do with him. Lots of talent, if you can bring him along he’s a better option at backup QB than Berkely, and offers value to flip to someone.

          • GEAGLE

            Freeman or Terrell Pryor are both athletes I would love to see Chip work with…could see him finding a way to create some smoke and mirrors for them in the preseason making them look much better then they actually are and being able to flip them for quality value…Pryor I would def just build up and flip If I could!! But freeman actually had some talent, so he would Also be a candidate to develop and actually hold on to as a long term backup…

          • JofreyRice

            Freeman led a bunch of comebacks, and had a really promising rookie year. I think Schiano got rid of him because he wasn’t his guy, and Freeman lost focus and heart. That’s worrying, but that’s why you’d only invest in him as a 3rd QB, to see what you can do with him.

            Yeah, ditto on Pryor, but as a passer, he’s got a much longer road to travel. He’s essentially just a running back that throws hard, at this point.

          • cliff henny

            Freeman was unwatchable that Monday Night game. as concerns go, 3rd string qb, yeah,sure take a flier…and I hopeto never see him play a regular season game

          • JofreyRice

            totally agree, he was a shitshow in that game. But, he looked really promising in the early part of his career. Hell, look at our QB, most of us were ready to write Foles off after that travesty in the first Dallas game. Freeman’s got a good jumping off point–the arm-talent, athletic ability, maybe even some “clutch” factor–to make him a good candidate for Chip Kelly remedial training.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I actually really liked Cutler when he was in Denver.

          • GEAGLE

            So did I…thought pretty darn highly of him back then…but it should have clicked for him by now, especially with the weapons he has been given and all the continuity with Marshall that he was accommodated with

          • cliff henny

            it’s actually not the player, it’s the contracts vs production/hampering team/media rankings as elite. Stafford is making 18m a yr,or whatever, throwing pop flies into triple covered CJ off his back foot, and then Detroit is all shocked when they go on a 4 game losing streak to end season. plus, he’s doing it all in a dome. Cutler is still trying to throw the ball thru defenders chest, he’s just so over-rated cause he ‘can mak all the throws’. nevermind the 20 picks a year. but, he’s top 7 qb. I dislike Cutler…I freaking cant stand Stafford

      • Andy124

        Better than Joe Webb? Is such a thing possible? How are Vick’s probing skills?

  • GEAGLE

    Today is Clemsons pro day

    • Tom W

      Studs … like an sec team in talent … wait till next year and these stud underclassmen wrs blow up … think they have 2 if not 3 tall wrs who run sub 4.45 like bryant.
      HC can recruit w the best of them

      • GEAGLE

        He sure can..if anyone finds out who is representing the eagles at their pro day please post it under one of my posts.. Thanks…sometimes you can get hints about who we have Interest by which position coaches we send to a pro day

      • cliff henny

        beginning of NFL season tried telling these guys that when discussing Taj Boyd (my brother in law is as close to as a booster as you can get). see he complete 63/64 against air. if Aaron Rodger’s throwing motion needed 3 yrs to fix, Taj need 33yrs to fix. talent and athletes Clemson has nowadays would is right there with SEC elites.

        • GEAGLE

          You certainly were pretty damn accurate this year with your down south coverage

        • Tom W

          Nice you been to clemson v SC yet at death valley???
          Bro in law gotta step it up w tickets to earn his keep

          • cliff henny

            yeah, he’s in the beer business, can get ridiculous seats, sidelines if i want. never been, have to be pretty special, since it’s 4 hrs away and pretty much in middle of nowhere. if Eagles would have won vs Saints, had field pass and miller lite luxury boxseats (and probably a 24-48 hr invitation to a county vacation).

      • Mitchell

        I hope we get Bryant honestly. He is a good receiver and the only reason people didn’t hear much from him is because he was overshadowed by both Watkins and Hopkins.

  • Ark87

    the term “Trade Chip” has become an obscenity in Philly. I suggest Sheil go to sensitivity training.

  • GEAGLE

    You know what talking about Trading Vinny right now is like? It’s like 365 days ago,when every dope of a media member was running around talking about trading FOles lol, I was hoping the media learned something this past year, buy clearly NOT. Clicks are still more important then credibility and accuracy huh?

    • 76mustang

      In fairness Geags, Shiel is responding to a question in the mailbag (a reasonable question) with a plausible answer. He’s not posting a column with that as his premise to stir things up. There’s probably a handful of players on every team in similar situations that a possible trade scenario could be looked at. The fact that this question was chosen as the headline “tease” is reflective of the click value, I agree, but that is just the state of “journalism” these days.

      Personally, I agree with your assessment on both Vinny and Graham’s value for the Eagles and don’t see them trading either unless they were made an offer they couldn’t refuse.

      • GEAGLE

        Ask a question about Curry being traded, there should only be one simple answer….Can’t Trade WHAT you DONT know!

        Not every question always has an answer. some time, there is just nothing to do but wait and see…if we EVER give up on a young, high draft pick after a year or two and he goes on to become a monster for his next team, we will never hear the end of it…and if he turns into a monster and we use the pick we got in return on a bust lol, Howie would be hung from the William Penn Statue at city hall

        • OldDocRoss

          I can’t see your logic here at all.

          The Eagles have traded *for* any number of players they knew less well than Vinny Curry in recent years. This is inarguable. If you can trade for something you “don’t know” then you can absolutely trade away something you “don’t know”.

          Beyond which, they do know what he is. They’ve worked with him every day for the last year (or in some cases two years). What he is, is a player with some talent who would offer more value and upside to teams running a standard 4-3 than he does to Philly. If his value to some other teams >> his value to the Eagles that makes him a guy that they will very seriously consider trading, particularly given that this is a deep draft and we aren’t currently holding as many picks as we typically would like to have.

          More generally speaking, holding onto players until you are absolutely, positively beyond any shadow of a doubt certain as to what value they can offer you will lead you to consistently keep players who are a bad fit (or just plain bad) for way too long, way too often.

          I would consider everything I have written above to be based on sound reason and good sense. I would respectfully suggest that the fact you apparently consider anyone that entertains such notions to be a “dope” reflects an inability on your part to accept that it is a wonderful and exciting world and that it is entirely possible for people to hold a conflicting viewpoint to your own without them being irretrievably stupid.

          • Maggie

            Very well said!!

          • GEAGLE

            Bwahahahahahahah

          • GEAGLE

            Bet you a beer Curry isn’t traded

          • OldDocRoss

            Ignoring the logistical issues of such wagers, you appear to be struggling with nuance.

            Nobody has said “the Eagles will 100% trade Curry for sure!”. Indeed, nobody has even said he is likely to be traded. Sheil said there was a decent chance they would *try*. I said we’d very seriously consider it. The main stumbling block won’t be the Eagles’ willingness to trade him, it’ll be finding a willing trade partner. They were open to a trade last season but nobody came forward (those rumours didn’t come from nowhere) so there’s every chance other teams will remain unwilling to give anything up for him..

            The question was “what are the chances they try to trade Curry?”.

            You appear to think anyone whose answer is not “ZERO BECAUSE YOU DON’T TRADE WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW!”.

            I have, I think, explained as eloquently as I can why that statement is inaccurate (and indeed, leaving football aside, if people were unwilling to trade what they “didn’t know” the stockmarket would be a much quieter place).

          • KobraKai7474

            and I will bet an additional beer that, if he is traded, the Eagles will get shockingly little in return (and nothing close to the second round pick they invested in him)

  • myeaglescantwin

    you have to like the chances the birds have here. Realisticaly they need to upgrade 3 positions in order to be a top level defense.
    UPGRADE meaning we need 3 starters, I feel that cole is best used as Curry is used, on a 4 down front at DE. We need a true OLB to come in and start. Both safeties need replacing. If that can be executed, this defense is a serious contender.

    Use FA / and the draft to recruit some back up players and role players.

    We need some depth at OLB, & DL. there are players available now that can added to the mix. , Paul Sioaliaoiaia (whatever) would be a great 2 down / 3rd-&-short NoseTackle. There are plenty of HUGE DL that will be available late in this draft..

    not to mention Kruger gained about 20 lbs in the off season.
    march 6th.. i’m pumped.. jezzziz.

    • Maggie

      Be interesting to see how Kruger comes along.

      • GEAGLE

        The punter?

      • Explorer51

        That’s a good point Maggie; the last thing I read is that he’ll be good to go for training camp, shoulder is healing well (though there was also speculation that the injury was minor and they were just stashing him on IR because he wasn’t ready). Maybe Sheil or Tim can give us an update?

    • OregonDucker

      No more talk about QB on these blogs these days, thank God! Our only source of conflict is GEagle’s use of FOles verses Foles. Of and maybe “Rainmaker” verses “Saint Nick”. Man, these boards have come a long, long way.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Maybe he’s referencing that FOles is a front office (FO) favorite?? Naw, that’s too well thought out for him. ;-)

  • Maggie

    Oh, Sheil, Even you are using the term, ‘Kelly’s system’. Sad but true.

  • Jeff Asay

    Read ChipWagon from Jan 10, 2014 and ridding the team of Curry will no longer seem silly.

  • KobraKai7474

    There continues to be an irrational level of exhuberance over the trade value of Vinny Curry. I agree that he has talent and can be very successful in the right system (and I struggle to understand why the Eagles couldn’t find a way to use that talent more last year), but none of that matters. Only facts matter and the fact is that he is entering his third year in the league and has done very little on the field. You might be able to cut a deal to swap another team’s recent “bust”, and if you think that other team’s bust will excel in the Eagles’ system, then that would be fine. If you wanted a draft pick, you are looking at a nominal pick at best, maybe a fourth, more likely a fifth or so. That is just the way it works in the NFL.