Dion Jordan And the OLB Market

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Indianapolis — Just getting settled in here at the combine. It feels like the NFL has just taken over the city. There were several Eagles assistant coaches on my flight; sat across the way from a couple Philly scouts while grabbing a bite to eat downtown; even had a conversation with Juan Castillo at baggage claim. Coaches, agents and personnel men everywhere. It’s all happening.

We’ll have plenty of notes and nuggets to pass along in the coming days. Meanwhile, wanted to touch on a series of tweets from former Eagles director of pro personnel Louis Riddick that caught my attention while waiting for the plane to take off.


The Eagles are in the market for an edge rusher, as we know, and Dion Jordan has a fan in Chip Kelly. The 6-6, 260-pound Oregon product was selected third overall by the Dolphins in last year's draft, one spot ahead of where the Eagles were picking. While they walked away happy with Lane Johnson, there's little doubt that they would have selected Jordan if he was still available.

"Trust me, the guy that went number three we were considering very heavily, but didn’t get the chance to pull the trigger on that one," Kelly said afterwards.

Kelly is not the only one within the Eagles organization that has eyes for Jordan according to Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, who had this to say back in January.

The new GM in Miami is Dennis Hickey. I suppose it's possible that Hickey does not view Jordan as a fit and will try to move him. That doesn't completely pass the smell test to me, though. Good pass rushers are very hard to find. And while Jordan managed just two sacks his rookie year and might not be an ideal scheme fit, do you give up on a player with so much potential that quickly?

There is also the financial side of things. If the Dolphins did trade Jordan, they would take a dead money cap hit of $10 million in 2014. (Thanks to friend of the site Sam Lynch with the assist on that one.) Not sure it all adds up.

Interesting, though, that Jordan's name has been brought up in this context on a couple different occasions recently, and that there could be some edge rushers available on the trade market in the coming weeks. The Eagles will be following any developments closely, no doubt.

  • usmcnole

    Jordan for graham and a 3rd or 2nd. Get er done

    • whattheDEUCE22

      That seems like a huge risk for the birds.

      • Chippah

        I disagree. Graham is a much better 4-3 player, Jordan 3-4. Getting the #3 overall pick from last year for a player that isn’t in the plans long term and a 2nd or 3rd rounder sounds very low risk high reward to me.

        Plus Kelly has consistently said that Dion has a special place in his heart as a hard worker and good person. I think it makes great sense. A shame the odds are against it.

        • DEBO 215

          I agree. I don’t see much risk here if they make a move.

          • Chippah

            If it weren’t for the dead money, it would be a win-win for both teams.

    • GEAGLE

      People need to stop thinking that BG is this valuable trade Chip because he is NOT!!! He could be, but his contract complicates matters. What type of a pick can a team give up for a player that becomes a FA at the end of the season? To give up anything of value for Graham, the team would have to be sold on him to a point that they negotiate an extension with his agent before the trade is completed…wtf could a team have seen to offer Graham an extension that he would sign, giving up his chance at FA?…bet Graham is dying to become a FA, sign a prove it deal with a 4-3 team that will give him real snaps, play like a beast. Get his value up to then cash in on a new deal, like Bennett did with the seahawks

      • anon

        Bennett was decent Graham has never really shown anything (not his fault totally) so his prove it deal is going to be worth pennies. Why not just trade if you can negotiate a cheap 2 year deal for graham — but graham isn’t starting on the dolphins either i guess.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          No, but he fits schematically and has a better chance there to showcase himself, than here. I’m sure there will be conversations at the combine, but I doubt anything goes down unless there is a way to escape/settle the cap hit. There are Miami people that believe that Jordan just doesn’t fit there. So if true, a trade if it could get done would suffice both teams needs. It just needs to make sense outside of scheme fit (players/pick(s)/dollars).

      • fran35

        Completely agree with this statement. Graham has shown nothing at all. While it pains us all to remember him as a 1st round bust, His draft position is irrelevant in trade talks. In my truthful opinion, Vinny Curry has more value–and not much at that. If the FO thinks that highly of Jordan, I would give our first rounder and Vinny tomorrow. I don’t think Jordan showed a whole hell of a lot, but if Gamble is high on him, that’s good enough for me. Also, I think Curry is gone this offseason. He is an extremely poor fit and has some trade value.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I remember reading something around mid-season surrounding Jordan and him not seizing a starting spot. In that the writer had mentioned that PFF had some pretty good ratings on Jordan’s pass rush effectiveness but still didn’t wow enough to grab a starting role. That’s as a DE & an unnatural fit for Jordan. Plus pass rush ability was my biggest question concerning Jordan last yr. So I’m very curious if the coaching & added 15lbs of muscle have helped Jordan improve his pass rush skills & better handle NFL Tackles. He is an athletic freak and that is intriguing, but only if he can add some skill/technique & strength to go along with his athleticism.

  • MediaMike

    Tim is 100% correct on the smell test here. $10 dead money is the reason why Jordan doesn’t move. It would also stand to reason that Jordan would have a better year as he gets more comfortable playing 4-3 DE.

    • anon

      Read some where that he’s basically going to ride the bench while he gets bigger. I think that’s part of the reason all those trade noise is happening.

    • NickS1

      Steelers are rumored as possibly cutting Lamarr Woodley and that’ll be a 14mil cap hit, I read. Just throwing it out there for comparison.

      • MediaMike
        • NickS1

          I don’t disagree. Dude killed it coming out of Michigan, though. Now he struggles to stay on the field.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I’m curious if that cap hit needs to be all at once (for Jordan I mean) or can be amortized across a few years?? Not saying it happens, but we know how much Chip wanted Dion & I think the feeling was mutual for Dion.

        • NickS1

          The reason it’s that big of a cap hit is because all of the bonuses that are prorated across the life of the contract will accelerate to this year’s cap. The cap being almost 4mil higher than projected makes me curious if happens now. Doubt it will, but you certainly have to re-evaluate the situation and re-check the numbers.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yeah I’m very curious. I was down on Jordan last yr, but I have a feeling that the added weight, coaching and experience playing with his hand in the dirt as a DE have helped round out his skill set to be an effective rush OLB.

          • NickS1

            Probably, he didn’t get a ton of reps, though, being out of place in the 4-3. Hand in the dirt is nice, but he was raw coming out and still needs to do a fair amount of polishing of his OLB skills.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I meant to say “may” have helped round out his skills. That said his combination of length, speed & agility are scary of the charts. So I can see how people get excited. I’m only interested if it makes sense & he has made some progress in honing his skills. If a deal did happen to go down, I think it will be a wait and see type because we just don’t know how he’s progressed.

  • PaoliBulldog

    It is not an NFL by-law that a new GM must get rid of every player he inherited from the previous regime, especially when doing so would result in a serious cap hit. Jordan isn’t Gabe Carimi, folks.

    • Chippah

      We just wish he was

  • Chris Jones

    I’m not a fan of trading picks for Jordan. He didn’t excite me much last year and he was basically a non factor this year. Yes while scheme fit is important it shouldn’t hold a talented player back. Let him go and draft van noy who is much more versatile and fantastic in coverage.

    • anon

      I kind of think the same thing a first might be too much considering there’s good prospects.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      KVN is a MUCH more polished player this year than Jordan coming out last year. But I do think it’s fair to say that Jordan had only 2yrs playing defense under his belt as he was a converted TE. Plus, I am curious how much the coaching/playing at DE & the added strength could’ve elevated Jordan as a possible rush OLB prospect. But that’s just curiosity & I think the smarter move is taking a KVN or Marcus Smith, rather than forking over picks, players & finding some way to work out the cash on the cap hit trading for Jordan.

  • DEBO 215

    They’d have to split that dead money and we’d have to send them some draft picks…Orakpo would probably be cheaper in terms of picks/money but comes with a bigger injury history. I’d like it for Brandon Graham and a 3 and maybe a 6 or 7. That’s about it though. Jordan is very talented and I doubt that he goes anywhere.
    MY dream scenario this offseason would be to sign TJ Ward and BJ Raji, then sell the farm to move up for Sammy Watkins.

    • MediaMike

      Raji just got DESTROYED by Evan Silva on Twitter today for having poor sack numbers and not having forced a single fumble for his entire career. If we’re going to upgrade guys at DE or DT, they need to be better than Raji.

      • DEBO 215

        Those aren’t stats that I care about from a DT. I want a HUGE, two down, run stuffing, plug in the middle of that 3-4. Someone who gets some push but more or less is a space eater.

        I like Bennie Logan a lot, but I want a guy that is 350 not 305 playing NT.

        • MediaMike

          Except Raji sucked at NT so much he was pushed out to DE all year. I totally agree about wanting a war pig at NT who can destroy double teams vs. both the run and pass; Raji simply isn’t that guy.

          • DEBO 215

            Ah…That’s a shame because I think GB lets him walk and I think he ends up being relatively cheap.

          • MediaMike

            Yeah, I totally hear you man. That upgrade may need to come via a draft pick.

          • GEAGLE

            The DL we sign in FA will be Alex Carrington. And he is an interior pass rusher, not run stuffer…our Nickle pass rush needs upgrading, our young kids were STOUT against the run and will only improve, as they get bigger, stronger more experienced….The defensive upgrades will be geared heavily towards getting off the field on 3rd down….stopping the run, is one of the strengths of our entire roster, and it will improve even if we don’t add a single player…

            Alex is 26, 6’5 308lbs…missed a lot of this year to injury, but was very efficient interior pass rusher in 2012 for the bills???This kid is going to shine during his next contract, and we will have the forsight to sign him

          • MediaMike

            Wasn’t there a web site posted a few weeks ago that showed how Logan got dominated against the run vs. the garbage Saints?

          • GEAGLE

            No idea…but FO types don’t over react to one game…they look at the totality of the season and Logan handled himself really well. But it’s not just about Logan, Cox and Ced aren’t done growing into the players they will become either..

            How much could Logan have gotten run over by the saints, when we played Nickle for most of the game, and Boykin subs in for Logan in Nickle?
            ..
            I haven’t heard anything about a website, but you could be right…

            Our run defense is drastically ahead of our pass defense. not getting off the field on friggin 3rd and 12 consistently erased all the great work our base defense did on first and second down…most of the defensive additions will be geared towards getting off the field on 3rd,,Billy talked about it as the main thing to improve on

          • MediaMike

            Somebody posted a link to a web site that broke down Logan getting run off of the football by only one guy on several occasions. The Nickel D had a hand in that, but I’d still prefer a 330lb + 3 down NT who can both stand up a double team vs. the run and collapse the pocket on passing downs.

          • GEAGLE

            I’d prefer a “WarPig” as well, I just honestly don’t expect the FO to add one, so I try not to think about it…

          • Joe L

            Haloti Ngata doesn’t come around very often.

          • MediaMike

            No he does not, but he did go one pick in front of us sadly. Can you imagine Ngata and Reed on the Eagles over the years instead of FSU turd Bunkley and Lito? Baltimore’s awesome drafting right in front of us has been frustrating.

          • GEAGLE

            Years later and that still feels like a kick in the nuts

          • aub32

            Lito wasn’t an awful pick. After what we have had in our defensive backfield the last few years, I miss the days of Lito and Brown. They gave us some good years. Not every player can be a HOFer (Reed)

          • Tom W

            Nope

          • MediaMike

            No, there was. It was on Iggles Blitz, not here. But here it is.

            http://chipwagon.typepad.com/eagles/2014/01/the-nose-in-the-coffin.html

          • Adam

            Saints have one of the best interior OL in the league.

          • MediaMike

            True, but here is a link a guy put up on Iggles Blitz.

            http://chipwagon.typepad.com/eagles/2014/01/the-nose-in-the-coffin.html

          • Adam

            Didn’t deny the existence of the article. When you say get pushed around by the “garbage saints”, that’s inaccurate.

          • Eagles4Life

            Part of it, imo is that we didn’t switch up the defense in those situations. Saints were in a goal line package basically, and we’re running base defense lol. They SHOULD have won both of those times.

          • myeaglescantwin

            You’re 100% with the NT interior presence. Raji is a turd though. He has the tiny arms and is only 6’2.
            you’re right to disregard a NT’s stats, but he doesn’t have that push you need up front.
            I think we need someone with a little more reach to anchor that interior. There are a few giants that can play that role & will be available in the later rounds.

          • anon

            Texans are dropping their NT — i think there’s a natural fit there considering we love their players.

          • GEAGLE

            They don’t two gap…they basically play a 4-3U

          • anon

            Could it be that hard to learn? Plus we play 4 down on passing downs usually anyway — a line with him and Benny Kendrics and Ryans might break sack records.

          • GEAGLE

            You can teach players to two gap, heck for all I know maybe he was asked to two gap in college. but DL who are used to shooting gaps, aren’t too excited to switch to two gapping, doing all the dirty work, getting no glory…If we are signing someone as a NT, then he has nothing to do with our Nickle 4 man lines. The traditional NT space eaters that you guys talk about every day typically can’t rush the passer, unless you are talking rare Haloti gnata…when you guys talk NT, you guys all want that 350lb Phil taylor(browns) type, who eats double teams and gets some push. A guy like that is useless on 3rd down, which is why his snaps were way down this year..
            ..
            You can either sign a NT to anchore a two gap, or you can sign an interior pass rusher type…it’s too damn rare to find both in a player..we call them, Haloti Gnata’s and they don’t ever hit the FA market..

            So I doubt the dude from the texans would be your best two gap NT option, and he damn sure wouldn’t be your best interior pass rush option(my boy Alex Carrington fits that Bill)..The ideal NT WarPig type on the market is Solaili..But I don’t see us paying 6-8mil for a situational run stuffer, and I’m not even sure that dude would even sign in a cold weather city, he really doesn’t want to leave Miami…

            Believe me, I would love these types of NT. Additions, but I honestly think our coaches view it much different. I don’t think Logan is a mistake, I think the next DL we add will have a similar body to Logan..which is why I’m fixated on Carrington..6’5 308lbs..

          • MediaMike

            Haynesworth lost his f-ing mind over getting asked to two gap.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol he sure did…then again, I thought they lost their mind for paying him 90mil to become a two gapper lol..wtf, when he used to just beast thru Olines and sack QBs

        • Jay Iafeta

          Paul Soliai

      • GEAGLE

        Raji needs to fire his agent or whoever the hell told him to turn down a 6million dollar extension….

    • Terrence Kemp

      I’m with you on that i would love to get TJ ward in philly but im not to sure about raji. If we can get jordan for graham and give up a late pick then they should be all over that. If the eagles are looking to go WR in the draft then sammy would be the only WR i would take in the 1st round but i also like the Odell Beckham, Jr and we can get him in the 2nd. His ball skills and hands are crazy. I would also like to get De’Anthony Thomas in the later rounds too. Would love to see coach use him and get him in space. Maybe we can trade trent cole as much as i like him but if we can get some good picks or players for him then make that deal happen too. that would really help our cap space.

      • aub32

        Don’t hold your breath on that trade. That trade wouldn’t even go down in Madden.

    • aub32

      Graham and a 3 would be a terrible trade for miami. They just gave up the number 3 overall pick for the guy last year, which they had to trade up to get. Jordan has way more potential than Graham, who has done nothing of note for some of you to keep acting like he’s a valuable trade commodity.

      Raji have been terible recently. Right now he’s just resting on his past play. I want no part of him.

  • Joe L

    If no one else has said it yet, 0% chance the new GM dumps Jordan already.

  • BleedGreenJames

    I’ll never forget how disappointed Dion looked when the Dolphins jumped up. I love Lane Johnson, but Dion was my favorite prospect in 2013. :(

    • Ark87

      Wow, that has to be one of the most dejected looking 3rd overall draft picks I’ve seen in a while!

      • GEAGLE

        They can’t franchise him forever…and you know if Chip is still here he will come home in free agency,.,same with Kyle long

        • Joe L

          He’s under contract through 2017, so we have some time.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup..I was really pissed when Long went in round 1, he woulda hit FA sooner if he fell to round two like he was supposed to…

        • anon

          Could be expenisve and a different player after 4 years.

          • GEAGLE

            Hopefully he is expensive as hell!!! That means he developed into a top pass rusher…a top pass rusher who wants to come to Philly isn’t the worst thing

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      • Vengie

        Maybe the reason he looked so dejected was because he knew the culture at Miami was a mess and ready to hit the fan.

  • JofreyRice

    Yeah, I mentioned this in the other thread, but I think #22 is around where Jordan would go, were he to have come out with this group. Right in that Van Noy/Ealy range. I’d still rather have a pure passrusher, but I would spend pick #22 on a guy with the skillset, and hope that Azz can instill some violence and aggression–that’s what I think is missing from his game. If ALL it took was #22 and some bummy guy, I’d probably do it. I’d guess Cole’s the ROLB come rain or shine, and Dion has the skills to back up either spot until they move on.

    You know, I’d still rather have had Kenny V. or Sheldon Richardson than Lane Johnson, but I have to tip my hat to the FO. They made a solid pick in a very poor top 5 talent-draft. I mean, Dion Jordan #3 overall? Crazy.

    • anon

      I mean is Dion Jordan a better prospect than the OLBs this year? It’s really hard to tell considering jordan didn’t do anything last year. Also if the problem with Cole is pass rushing and the problem with jordan is pass rushing (I also see him more as a Barwin than a ROLB)…

      • Tom W

        Tending to side w you after looking back at Jordan’s game tape from college. All his pass rushing is basically a projection of upside. His skills are Barwin esque but potentially better cover and spying skills. Doesn’t have the violent hands or strentght or alternate moves nor can he set the edge. He can learn moves and get stronger but I don’t see a violent pass rusher

      • JofreyRice

        Not in my opinion. def behind Mack and Barr by a long way. Guy had like 20 tfls in his entire 4 year career.

      • Token

        He played less than 50% of snaps in college. Has no pass rush moves. Lacks strength. Maybe Jordan could be a good SAM in a 4-3. I dont see it as a 3-4 OLB at all. Not even a Barwin type because he doesnt have that much strength and physicality to set the edge in the run game.

  • ochospantalones

    I doubt the Dolphins would even consider moving Jordan for less than a first round pick in this year’s draft. If he continues to struggle (and after his cap hit diminishes) he may become available more cheaply in the future, but for now you’re not landing last year’s #3 pick for a modest package.

    Oddly enough, there is some recent precedent for this sort of deal, with 2012 #3 pick Trent Richardson being traded for what ended up being the 26th pick in this year’s draft, but I still don’t see Jordan being traded to Eagles this off-season.

    • anon

      Browns ate $6.7 in dead money, but still seem to have come out as the winner in that trade. Browns have TONS of cap space so dead money doesn’t matter really – but funny how dead money wasn’t party of the story during the trade. Might make it easier for that trade to get done if dead money aspect isn’t that publicized.

      Much rather trade a second plus curry or graham. Take a WR with the first.

      • GEAGLE

        Basically they purchased a first round pick for 6mil…that’s not horrible. I wouldn’t mind if we paid 6mil for another first…hate the thought of trading Curry til we see him in year two…

        Rotoworld reporting quoting the inquirer that Brandon Graham’s roster spot could be in jeapordy and that we might cut him if we can’t find a trade partner

        • anon

          That’s a good way to look at it.

          • GEAGLE

            I still can’t believe how bad Trent Richardson is…I was never much of a fan, but I did not know he was this bad. Now, they still don’t have a RB, and they have no first round pick lol..wish we woulda tried fleecing them for Bryce :)

          • anon

            You think it’s too late? Probably worth at 2nd and a least (I’ll ask that guy that was talking about the DJax trade). Richardson wasn’t a terrible goal line back in CLE.

          • GEAGLE

            Colts ain’t giving up any more draft picks this year…now if they draft a RB, and still have problems running the ball this year, maybe we can get them to trade a pick in the 2015 draft for Bryce near the trading deadline…curious to see the musical chairs of RB this offseason. I don’t know why anyone would want to sign MJD, Chris Johnson! Knowshon sucks lol.,.
            ,…
            Id try to send Bryce to the jets. GENO SUCKS!! The only way Rex can save his job is to duplicate the formula of his glory Days with STANKchez. Tough defense, good Oline! run the ball with ladanian. if they try to win games by putting WRs around Geno. I promise they will fall flat on their face…
            ….
            great Oline, Good run game and tough defense gets you 8-9 wins..
            Add a good QB and you get 10-12 wins…

          • anon

            They took 7 wins with just defense. #jealousy

          • NickS1

            I still don’t think he’s as bad as my people believe he is. Colts OL isn’t that good and picking up the scheme mid season is tough.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I’m still curious if the cap hit can be amortized across a couple years instead of all at once. If it can, that makes this much more of a possibility, especially if the Birds agreed to cover some of that hit.

          As I’ve been saying, I wasn’t high on Jordan coming out last year but if the coaching he’s received this year along with the additional 15lbs have made him a better pass rusher, I’d be curious to see what he could do.

          • Jarrod

            I don’t know for sure but I don’t believe so. The reason the cap hit is so much is because of his signing bonus. Initially the signing bonus is “amortized” but as soon as he is cut or traded the “amortized” portion counts against the cap for the current year. He still has $3.33 mil over each of the next 3 years so as soon as he is cut that all gets lumped together and put against the cap (hence the $10 mil).

            However, Jordan’s contract did include off-set language. Therefore depending on how much the Eagles were to pay him it should lessen the hit on the Dolphin’s cap. I’m don’t know if the off-set can count towards his signing bonus or just his salary though.

      • cliff henny

        ate more than that. since it was in season, they were able to june 1st split in ’13 3.5m and ’14 6m. surprising, or maybe not so much since banner was in charge, browns carried over 25m, and have over 45m to spend. just no one wants to play there.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          But if they do decide to talk trade, can the cap hit be amortized over a couple years? If so, that makes it a MUCH easier pull to swallow. Especially if the Birds cover some of the cost and with the cap expanding to 130M next yr.

  • Weapon Y

    Couldn’t the Eagles just include cash as part of a trade for Jordan to cover part of the cost of trading him?

    • GEAGLE

      Good question…not sure if that’s legal in football, I hope we get a definitive answer to this question

      Miami needs Oline,and running backs really bad as well..

    • anon

      Was wondering that too — happens in Bball.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      sure, if guaranteed money was an issue, like bonuses, but I don’t believe they can help offset another team’s cap situation. only 96% sure, though

    • PaoliBulldog

      I’m pretty sure rules allow for cash considerations, but not the shifting of cap effect.

  • John J. King

    Wow, Juan Castillo is working baggage claim?

  • anon

    Forget that it’s miami — wonder if we’d trade a backup OL (or maybe herremans).

  • Brandon Baltic

    0% chance they cut a 3rd overall pick after 1 season. Trading for him could definitely be an option though.

    • cliff henny

      take the same amount of dead money in a trade

    • Tommy McCabe Jr

      The Browns did…………yea I know, its the Browns, but they still did it.

  • anon

    Roto just had a story about B Graham’s job security (or lack thereof) and fact that Eagles are open to dealing him.

    • MediaMike

      Don’t tell Benoit.

  • 76mustang

    We should sign Byrd and Ward and be done with it…ha!

    Jordan, Kiko, Long, even Kenjon and LMJ – how great would they look as Eagles…

    DAT and Lyerla will shine at the combine drills, but DAT needs to add some strength (susceptible to strip/punch tackle and arm tackles), and Colt has a suspect brain – crazy physical skills, sketchy judgement and motivation skills – if he interviews well at the combine, someone will take a flyer on him in the middle rounds.

  • anon

    Any thoughts on Pollard as a strong safety?

    • MediaMike

      15 yards – targeting.

      • cliff henny

        if it’s Dez Bryant…i’ll allow it…twice!

        • MediaMike

          I’d prefer a kill shot on Eli.

          • cliff henny

            nawh, need him upright so he can throw another 285 picks this year…now Romo…drop that crown right between the L4/L5, oh yeah

          • NickS1

            Damn, that’s harsh, bro.

  • ToastJenkins

    Tim hit The Libertine if you are downtown in Indy and want a good drink.

  • Tom W

    Cue the silly trade scenarios for a guy that miami would be beyond dumb to trade because of the horrific cap ramifications.

    Moreover, I believe that the talent this year at 22 offers more than Dion did at 4 in a shitty draft….We have better shot at a real edge rusher at 22 and/or a stud wr and a good edge rusher in rd 2.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I would have to second that. I believe that this year’s crop of top LBs is safer than Jordan’s projection last yr. However, I am curious how much the coaching this past year at DE & added bulk may have helped his game as a pass rushing OLB prospect. If I remember correctly, PFF had some pretty good ratings somewhere around mid-season on Jordan’s effectiveness as a pass rusher. However, I still don’t see it happening.

  • Fly High

    My take on Jordan (I;m also a Duck fan) – There was a video on ESPN leading up to the draft last year, where they were showing why Jordan was special. They were timing how long it took someone to do spin move, which quantifies a certain type pf speed and athleticism. Jordan rated off the charts, far better than any front seven player from last year’s draft except for Ziggy Anseh, better than almost anyone in the NFL. So yes, his athleticism for the position is exceptional, He was an excellent run stopped at Oregon. He also dropped into coverage, but I am not at all clear that his cover skills were elite. However, they were very new, possible that he has the tools to become excellent. Also, his sack numbers dropped off as a senior. He has the skills, he has the work ethic. But I question of he has the attitude, the nastiness, to truly be a top drawer sack artist.
    His time with the Dolphins? He suffered from injuries early in the year. And then never fully found a groove, or maybe didn’t get a chance. It is possible that the locker room atmosphere in Miami affected him. Some players are not sensitive to things like that, but some are. Coming from Oregon, Miami may have been a shock.
    So my evaluation of Jordan – Elite athleticism – check. Excellent run stopper – check. Good pass rusher – check, Elite – I don;t know. Good to excellent coverage guy? – the jury is out.
    As for whether the Dolphins make him available? I don;t think they just drop him, dead cap space, and a loss of face. But, if the new management thinks they got a lemon, they may treat him like Philly treated the 2012 corners – sometimes, you just want to clean house. I think they would get something for him, at best for the Eagles, a 3rd rounder, or Graham and a 6th. At worst a 1st rounder.
    If Miami’s new GM doesn’t believe in Jordan, I think it could happen.

  • Eagles4Life

    Shoot, I’d ship off BG AND the #22 pick for Dion.

  • morgan c

    Before I even read this, I had a (not happening or realistic) fantasy that we sign Maclin to a reasonable 2-year “prove it” kinda deal (about 8-10 million for 2 years, say). Then on draft day, draft a stud WR in the first round, and package Maclin and maybe a OLB we take in round 3-5 for Jordan. Miami now gets all the pieces it could want for Tannehill, and a OLB they may like as much as Jordan (who they aren’t high on it seems).

    Or just get Jordan for our FRP. That would work. Haha.

    Then I like resigning coop to a reasonable deal, having a new stud WR in the first round (letting Maclin go or keeping him if he will stay for cheap), drafting a tackle / guard combo high (replacing Herremans halfway through season if needed, long term possible swing replacement to RT once LJ takes over for JP in 2015…), then draft CB. Sign Jairus Byrd. Sweet.

  • Jay Iafeta

    Hope bill lazor puts a good word in for brandon graham so we can trade him for paul soliai and give up our 22nd pick to the fins for dion jordan