Draft Notes: Clinton-Dix At No. 22?

NCAA Football: Alabama at Texas A&M

Here’s a roundup of some draft-related links to check out this weekend.

The crew at Sports On Earth put together a three-in-one mock draft. Mike Tanier thinks Texas A&M WR Mike Evans could be a fit for the Birds:

A replacement for Riley Cooper, who is likely to depart as a free agent. Evans is Cooper-like: tall, fluid, able to stretch for the ball and a little temperamental. He’s raw, but he will win matchups against exhausted, confused defenders on Chip Kelly’s non-stop elliptical runner. The Eagles have a greater need at safety, but Kelly grooves to his own beat.

Russ Lande goes to the defensive side of the ball with Alabama safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix:

The back-end of the Eagles defense was not up to par in 2013 and while Clinton-Dix is not an elite prospect, he is a long, versatile safety who will help them in coverage. He has the instincts, quickness and speed to get out to the sideline to help with over-the-top coverage and can cover tight ends in man coverage. He will need to become a more consistent open-field tackler in the NFL.

Eric Edholm of Yahoo’s Shutdown Corner projects Notre Dame defensive lineman Stephon Tuitt to the Eagles at No. 22:

I know the locals are screaming for a safety, and the highly touted Ha Ha Clinton-Dix remains on the board here. But my gut says they’ll land one safety starter via free agency and wait a little in the draft to add another one. Instead, we’ll go back to Chip Kelly’s often-quoted “bigger people beat up little people” quote from almost a year ago and project Tuitt here. Why? He’s long, strong, able to anchor against the run and also generate a solid pass rush inside. This is a good fit.

Mel Kiper Jr. of ESPN.com has released his top-10 prospects at each position. At safety, he’s got Louisville’s Calvin Pryor at No. 1. Rounding out the top-five are Clinton-Dix, Northern Illinois’ Jimmie Ward, Washington State’s Deone Bucannon and USC’s Dion Bailey.


Explains Kiper:

There's a change at the top, with Pryor now ahead of Clinton-Dix. My guess is there will be split opinions on those two depending on which GM you ask, with some preferring Pryor's instincts and downhill style and others preferring the range Clinton-Dix offers in coverage. Who goes first could come down to scheme. The riser for me is Ward, who isn't a big player but is a very good one and looks as if he can start early. Likely a second-rounder.

  • GEAGLE

    Back when Pryor was a consensus 3rd round pick, I said he would end up being the top safety prospect in this class…way to finally catch up Kiper. You are only a month and a half too late :)
    ..
    haha Dix is over rated name brand…He could become a nice player, but I get the impression he will struggle early like most Alabama DBs, and their is no way a playoff team should deal with a starter who will struggle next year..if we trade back, and add an extra pick. I would be ok with Dix…I’m a defensive nutcase, but I’d probably be pissed if we added Dix at 22. I’d rather add Tuitt even if it’s not a major need. I look at Dix, and what does he really bring to the table that we can’t get out of Malcom Jenkins for 4.5mil per year?

    I doubt we draft Tuitt, but at 22, he makes more sense value wise, then Dix….the only safety we would consider at 22 is Pryor…I’d be happy with Pryor, but I would be kind of surprised if we took him at 22. Unless Anthony Barr fall! or Evans is on the board(hearing he won’t get passed the steelers which is odd to me), I’d rather trade back…

    • Token

      Ive never seen anyone pat themselves on the back daily like you do. Even if most of it is revisionist history. You have a complex.

      • GEAGLE

        • James Hathaway

          I’m consistently amazed at how your comments are significantly longer than the article that you’re commenting on.

          • GEAGLE

            ,,,,,,,#3

          • BrickSquadMonopoly

            He doesn’t have to care what the Eagles community thinks. Its merely enough knowing that his opinion is being heard, regardless of response. Hear ye hear ye the fat kid has spoken.

          • GEAGLE

            —–#4

    • Joe L

      Tuitt was at his best at ND when he played 5-tech and was around 300 lbs. He had surgery during the offseason and came into 2013 about 20-30 lbs heavier than normal and it hindered him. He’s best on the edge and I think that’s where he would play for the Birds, not in Logan’s spot. So essentially I think he would challenge Thornton for PT in year one.

      • GEAGLE

        So you would be willing to cut or trade Curry or Kruger? Tuitt sure reminds me a lot of the NT Billy Davis used at Arizona

        • Joe L

          Why would I be particularly attached to either of those guys as an Eagles FO guy?

          • GEAGLE

            Why would you just assume that they aren’t assets we want to hold on to? Let’s just discard 2nd round picks after they play 16 games..and even at 305lbs nvmd

    • Tom W

      I actually like Benjamin better than Evans. Worry Evans has trouble creating separation in man coverage and a lot of his catches were broken comebacks. Benjamin is same size w more speed and athletic ability. Only worry about him is he loses focus and tried to run before he makes the catch. Cosell and Jeremiah both are very high on him. Is still be doing backflips if we got either or Barr.

      Never remember Pryor being a third round consensus pick … Once he declared he was 2d safety on board and a week later first on most Honestly never saw him ranked lower than second best

      • JofreyRice

        Yeah, I saw that Cosell ranked Benjamin at #11 overall, as compared to Evans at #30 or something. I don’t agree, though. I just have a hard time with guys that don’t catch the ball well. I think Cosell watches athletic movement and focuses on that projecting to the next level. I mean, I agree that Benjamin is a better mover, but Evans has shown that he can come back and make contested catches, which is something that’s going to be more important in the NFL.

        • GEAGLE

          For Benjamin to get ranked so much higher then Evans, I would assume KB would have to have a much better combine then Evans,,,this crop of WR is crazy in that I have no idea how to rank any of them…take a guy like Devante Adams..I could see that kid having a great combine and getting picked in the top 15, and I can just as easily see him fall to round 3…Combine going to be very interesting at the WR position..

      • Joe L

        The whole “lots of broken comebacks” thing is a bit of a misnomer. If you look at his metrics, he caught an even number of passes on all levels of the field, with his biggest production coming 25+ yards down the field and his YAC was really good too.
        http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metrics

        • Tom W

          Not really. 44 percent or almost half if his catches were comebacks plays … A lot of those on broken plays coming back to manzel. Could care less if they were deep comebacks. My point being he wasn’t asked to run the entire route tree nor was Texas am offense a timing offense w manzel. I don’t think his route running is advanced not was he asked to run all the routes. His number are a tad skewed based in brown. Pkays 4-8 seconds after the ball is snapped.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      I would be ok with Dix…I’m a defensive nutcase, but I’d probably be pissed if we added Dix at 22.

      c’mon geags, you’re literally contradicting yourself in the same sentence!

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t think he gets drafted before #40, so how could I like him at 22? Not sure what’s contradicting about wanting a player at the appropriate value…and I happen to think this top 2 safety talk is bullshit….think he will be like the 4th safety drafted,,,I certainly could be wrong, I just don’t believe Dix is being mocked correctly. IMO Pryor is the only safety worth taking in round 1.. Because the guy might be the second or third best safety in the draft, that doesn’t automatically make him worth a first round pick. Just because we need a safety doesn’t mean we can force one to be worth the 22 pick…I’m sorry, but there in no way in hell that there are only 21 players I’d rather have than Dix…

    • Papa

      I believe haha is ganna fall to the middle of the 2nd unless he runs a low 4.4. Character issues & his suspension plus some bad tape out there. I’d take Pryor in a heartbeat 1st but if we could get mack Barr Evans or Benjamin in rd 1 then dix I might do a cartwheel.

      • GEAGLE

        Finally someone who has a clue and realize Dix won’t be a first round pick!!!!

  • myeaglescantwin

    I’d love to see an impact safety drafted with that 1st overall pick. If the game tape shows this kid can be a player, then i feel we need to pull the trigger..

    & I’ll tellya what, , i wouldn’t be upset if they grabbed his teammate CJ Mosely with that pick.

    • GEAGLE

      Ugh..hate Mosely. Maybe he becomes a good player. But I hate his tape. Everytime I try watching him. I get board

      • cliff henny

        pm24/7 kiper saying in article about month or so ago joyner was 2nd/3rd rd prospect. really like the guy, but with his size, anything before 4th is luxury pick. trade back, get another pick and scoop him up, that’d be perfect.

        • GEAGLE

          Totally agree…he is the type of prospect you only get to draft if you aquire extra picks…also depends on our defensive intentions…if we add a serious Safety and plan on implement a dime package, then playmakers like Joyner and Boykin as your inside corners could be scary..but too many IFs and Buts to be talking about spending a draft pick on a 5’8 defender…I just don’t expect us to draft him, but if we did, I would be pretty excited because it means we have some juicy intentions for him

          • cliff henny

            sign byrd/ward, draft olb/wr 1/2 or 2/1…rest of picks can be kickers and punters for all i care. Eagles 2 main weaknesses were single safety m2m on offense, and pressuring/getting off field on 3rd and longs. solve those 2 issues, will be much better team.

          • Robert Neuman

            Look at what Roseman and Gamble are trying to do: it starts with “Best Player Available”. If it matches up with an area of need like last year then great. At #22 are you looking at a difference maker or quality starter? regardless of position. This is year two and everything should be on the table in terms of positions to draft. Ranking areas of need: a difference maker at OLB will make rest of defense better. worst part of last season was getting off of the field on 3rd down.

          • GEAGLE

            Couldn’t agree more….get some young speed at WR, nip grade Safety, Nickle pass rush and we are ready to compete with anyone..assuming young players continue to improve the way they should…

            Just imagine how incredible our defensive numbers would have been this year if we could get off the field on 3rd and long?

          • cliff henny

            sure you could…try harder!
            .
            i’m not even slightly worried on offense. shady will be shady, o-line will be better, along with ertz. regardless who ends up as wrs, it’ll be better than d-jax cooper avant smith 1-2-3-4. big question is Foles. i have little worry about him. most of the regression arguement is based on him getting dumber, i dont think he will. he’s getting physically better. defense, the holes are obvious, olb and safety, rest is backups and specialty players. eagles arent like cowboys hoping players have bounce back years, play over heads or hoping 4th 5th rd rookies have great impact. have plenty of young guys who should improve, and vets arent at that drop off face of earth age, just need the williams fletchers ryans to play constant.
            .
            also, big advantage, Eagles know what they are. i’ll bet kelly gave howie a pretty specific shopping list.

          • GEAGLE

            Chip gives Howie a pretty specific shopping list, and jerry Jones just buys a $9.99 draft guide and wings it lol how are the cowboys supposed to catch up with us? Bwahahahah

          • Richard Colton

            I wouldn’t assume he springs for the 9.99 guide.

          • GEAGLE

            lol hahahaha cheap bastard downloads a bootleg draft guide

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          I’d take Joyner or Ward as early as the 2nd, doubt either one is there in the 3rd (unless, via trade, we have an early-round pick)

          • Richard Colton

            I’d really love three or four picks in that 35-50 range, even if I had to trade a few midround picks next year to get there.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Could not agree more.

          • Richard Colton

            a bunch of really good football players are going to fall – Benjamin, Moses, Christian Jones, KVN, ‘Sheed – let’s grab three of them.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            did somebody say……. (been awhile)

  • dislikedisqus

    How do these guys make their picks? I think of Tanier as a good columnlist, not a reporter or scout. Are they just working off other people’s ratings or are they claiming to be talent evaluators too?

    • cliff henny

      Tanier’s the one who makes most sense. if mike evans is still available at #22, about only way that happens is if he runs 4.7 40 and has bags of coke falling out of his pockets, the eagles better take about 10 seconds to make pick. Evans was made for kellys offense.

      • anon

        Yeah talk about pipe dreams.

      • Richard Colton

        he really is Cliff. I like the Tuitt and Evans picks above – more in line with the Eagles actual draft strategy than simply looking a list of team needs then plugging in a round appropriate player.

      • dislikedisqus

        I am not commenting on their indiv picks, just wondering how much stock to put in them. For all the snide remarks about Kiper, he actually works sources in FO’s and agents and watches film himself, so I tend to think his rankings are going to be more accurate over the long haul than a columnist who just sits with a list of someone else;s ratings and his own personal theory of what a team is looking for. Even though I like Tanier as a columnist, how much attention should be paid to his mock?

        • GEAGLE

          Kiper is actually at a disadvantage because some of his sources use him to get counter intel out there,,,think the best strategy to get up to speed about a draft class is listen to Mayock and Cossell, and try not to pay attention to the rest of the white noise

        • laeagle

          I think part of the confusion for me, and it’s a personal pet peeve with draft projections, is that no one ever states why they’re making their pick. There are two possible ways to project a pick: is this someone the team SHOULD take, or is it someone I think the team WILL take.

          Classic example: the Raiders under Al Davis had a very clear distinction between the two. SHOULD they take the highest rated player on the board at a position of need? Yes. WILL they take a player who simply has a blazing 40 time? Yes.

          The fact that no analyst ever comes out and states which approach they’re taking makes it all seem like just guesswork. And many times they switch back and forth between approaches within the same mock draft. You can’t truly dispute the logic of the picks in those cases, because the logic is constantly changing. Very annoying.

          Eagles this year are a classic case of SHOULD vs WILL. Depending on how FA goes, and how the prior picks fall, there are some clear SHOULDS. And with the new focus on BPA, and Chip’s love for offense, there will likely be some clear WILLs. Again, I just wish people were clear about how they predict.

          Quick note: fans are easy to deal with. We pretty much always base our Eagles picks around who they SHOULD pick.

      • Andy124

        10 seconds… they’d just be screwing with you for 9 of them.

        • cliff henny

          from myrtle beach you guys in philly would hear me rattle off about 45 ‘take f’n evans for F sakes’ in those 9 seconds

  • JofreyRice

    Can’t say I really know what to make of Haha. It’s sounding more and more like the FO is going to spend a few years learning the lesson that just because something doesn’t work out once, doesn’t mean it’s a bad philosophy, so our best chance of getting better at S is probably through the draft. I don’t see guys like Mike Mitchell or whatever other mid-level chump they sign as much of an improvement on Allen, and Wolff is still largely untested.

    I generally don’t like secondary players from Alabama, because I feel the coaching they receive and scheme they play put them at a great advantage in context with players in similar positions on other teams; actually, I’m a little wary of players coming out of Louisville, for that same reason–Strong is a fantastic defensive coach. But Haha has that size/speed thing you’re looking for. He looked more like a SS to me, in the Alabama games I saw this year.

    For as much as I want to improve safety, if it came down to that or bolstering wideout with Mike Evans, I’d choose the latter.

    • Joe L

      You can’t be afraid to take players because they received quality coaching in college.

      • JofreyRice

        It’s more of a case of having a hard time isolating the player’s skill set, outside the context of what he’s being asked to do within the system, and what he’s been taught. The defensive secondary is Saban’s baby. He teaches his corners to do that crab/shuffle thing, rather than flip hips and run, and he puts the S’s in advantageous positions in regards to the scheme’s he’s facing, because he understands the way teams want to attack.

        It’s kind of like Kelly. Guys like Barner or LaMichael James, and Maehl were all super productive in his system, because he understood the best ways to employ them, and put them in positions to succeed–that’s called good coaching. With a position like S, though, that’s so hard to judge because of the TV angles and unknowns like scheme responsibility. It’s a case where it makes it an even dicier projection.

        • Joe L

          Sure, systems have an effect on a players success in college, but I was more talking about a guy like Pryor. That defense wasn’t a unit filled with superstars like a lot of Bama squads are, so there are less people to hide your deficiencies. And the difference with Kelly’s guys is a lot of their skill sets/body types just don’t transfer to the pro game. I don’t think that’s the case with Pryor at all. He’s got the prototype build, and he comes from a strong coaching background. Nothing to dislike about him IMO.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, the wariness I have for him for that reason is much less than the ‘Bama guys.

    • Token

      I see no safety in the draft jumping out as a big time safety prospect. I dont think this team is gonna get where it wants to go without a safety upgrade. It would help this scheme so much. I hope its not a case of shoving Wolff out there for 2-3 more years to see hes not the answer either then do it all over again.

      How many safeties have been thru here since Dawk? They just dont know what they are doing at that position. So let other teams pick the good ones and sign them as FA’s, just like you could this year with Byrd.

      • JofreyRice

        Nah, nobody like Vaccaro. I trust what Tim/Sheil are saying, I think they have a pretty good read on the team. I don’t think they’re going to go after Byrd. I think more Chung/Sopoaga/Cary Williams type signings are in our future.

        I was listening to the Ross Tucker Football podcast, and they had a cap expert on, Joel Corry. He was saying a team like the Raiders, with 60 million in cap room (not an overexaggeration) is going to have to spend up to 89% of their available cap room by 2016, per the CBA. They are at 75% now. They’re not the only ones. Cleveland and Jacksonville did something similar, and are behind the 8ball in terms of hitting the minimum salary mark. So my thinking is that these clubs MUST dole out some big money contracts in the next few years. With such a talent-poor roster, that’s probably going to have to come in the form of free agency.

        • GEAGLE

          Cleveland’s cap could be a little misleading. They have 40mil now, but are:
          1) working on a contract that will make Haden one of the top two highest paid CB in NFL history.
          ..
          2) They will have to give their super TE a mega extension in I like October.
          .
          3) the year after they have to extend Josh Gordon
          ,,,
          4) they have to pay two 1st round picks..

          5) and they will have to shell out big money to Ward if they want to keep him long term
          ….
          I know NOTHING about the jaguars. anyone know if Jonathon Cyrien panned out or did he struggle this year?

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, they *actually* have some talented players to pay, but I still doubt they let Ward go. I think he’s on that list.

          • GEAGLE

            Hear Babin is getting cut. That always puts a smile on my face

          • Richard Colton

            I have a fantasy that he blows all his $$$ Akers style, then has to move into a one bedroom apartment with Washburn, and A&E films the reality TV show.

          • GEAGLE

            You sir are a visionary…I can see it now. Babin and Albert haynsworth sleeping on bunk beds in washburns hooker pad

        • Token

          I dunno. I think the media just takes what is told to them at face value. They dont want to step out on a limb and look foolish.

          To me it makes no sense to listen to a NFL GM this time of year. I dont think it gives any insight to their actual plans.

          I want to believe that, if anything, Howie isnt scared to make a big move. Hopefully his therapist has worked through his issues with the Dream Team fiasco and hes not too permanently messed up from it.

          But for all we know Byrd is a A-hole and Chip has first hand knowledge of it. Who knows.

          • JofreyRice

            what’s funny is that the “dream team” thing wasn’t actually all bad, if you look at it from a player productivity standpoint. Nnamdi was the only true bust, he couldn’t cover, didn’t have awareness or ball skills, tackled like crap, and isolated himself from his teammates. They got DRC for Kolb, who was essentially worthless to the team. Babin put up 19 sacks, Cullen Jenkins was productive. Vince Young came in and won a couple games, right?

            It was more about the culture that arose from Reid’s horrifically bad decisions–Washburn instilling an “us vs. them” mentality in the DLine and the rest of the team, disrespecting the incompetent DC, Castillo–and the play of the draft busts he brought in to play key positions; Brian Rolle and Chaney covering for the predictably failed experiment of Casey Matthews as starting MLB from the 4th round. Jarrad Page was a “batting average” approach guy that really hurt the team. The fact that they kept waiting on crappy Jaiquan Jarrett to develop is why they invested so little in improving S, and had to roll Kurt Coleman out there again.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          All of those teams also need a QB, so I’m sure money will be spent there (particularly if it’s a 1st rd rookie). And on that note, their earlier draft picks will require more $ as well.
          CLE will have some defenders to pay if they want to keep that intact, and they also may spend some $ this year on RB and WR in FA. I have no idea wtf OAK is up to, and I see JAX spending some $ on the offensive side as well. They may look at some expensive OL and WR options in FA, or even RB. Not sure they’d spend big $ on a safety after drafting Cyprien, but who knows.

          There’s nothing the birds can do, obviously, if one of those teams overpay Byrd or Ward. But the Eagles offer a franchise on the rise, a solid organization with (by all accounts) a player-friendly coach, and the chance at the playoffs the next few years. I know many people shoot the notion down that FA care about anything other than $, but I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the ex-Oregon safeties declines 1 or 2 mil to play here.

          • GEAGLE

            Especially since all these poor oregon safeties have ever known in the NFl is minor league buffalo and friggin Cleveland,..Byrd has talked about the desire to play for both a big market and a contender…

          • JofreyRice

            Maybe, but that’s provided the QB’s work out. Say JAX drafts Bortles or Carr to a modest rookie deal, and is ready to move on again in 2 or 3 years.

            I agree with you in regards to QB’s, though, and that’s another reason why I’m so bullish on going after a guy like Byrd now. Think about a team like the Bears–coach with a positive first year, some talented players on offense, but a defense full of question marks and aging players. They must try and improve that team within a salary cap framework that includes Jay Cutler’s 23.5 million dollar cap hit. They just don’t have the flexibility advantage that the Eagles have with Foles. To not exploit a potential advantage you have over other clubs just seems foolish.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Bingo.
            CLE also has to compete against a quality division with good front offices’, so life is never easy for them. I just can’t take them as serious rivals in anything, even FA, especially after last week. If they throw $$$ at Ward, so be it; that may also price Byrd out of our range if every team is throwing money at him.

            IMO, we’ll know about Ward before/right around the start of FA, re: CLE decision to keep/tag him. Probably in the next 2 weeks, as the new FO there begins to “leak” reports to player agents and the media. Mary Kay Cabot, over at the cle-plain dealer, usually has some good pieces on them; I keep tabs on her.

            Now, say a few days into FA we’re without Ward (CLE keeps him) and Byrd (big $ from OAK). I tend to agree with you and Token that there are no great S prospects to lean on from day 1, so who do we sign? Would you take any other “mid-tier” FA over Allen, if they’re priced the same? Are Clemons or Whitner an upgrade or just new faces? And does Chung stay for any reason (I say no)

          • JofreyRice

            I’d be happy with Whitner, and see him as more than just a midlevel guy. Clemons, I’ve seen less of. I don’t have as strong an opinion, but I think he’d be a step up from Nate.

          • GEAGLE

            It will be Malcom Jenkins…not sure how I would feel about him, but that’s who I’m expecting the birds to sign if we don’t make the splash

      • Richard Colton

        Im not arguing against Pryor or HaHa – I just don’t think its wise to expect a rookie to come in and clean up this mess.

        • Token

          Yea I agree. If it was a really good prospect you could argue for drafting someone. But none of these guys are all that good. Pryor is a shoulder throwing big hitter that has everyone excited. I dont see it.

          • Richard Colton

            His cut up vs. Rutgers was something. He really looked like Chancellor out there – disrupting the passing attack downfield. He doesn’t look as good as Vaccaro, but he looks good. I wouldn’t hate the pick, unless, its their only solution.

          • Token

            2nd round pick, sure. Id be upset to spend a 1st on any of these safeties.

          • Richard Colton

            yeah – I guess Im there with you. I’d be estatic to grab either at #54, but the number one and two safety in the draft won’t make it that far. You’ve said it yourself – Safety is a premium position now.

        • GEAGLE

          PREACH!!! We need a talented rookie to come in and compete with Wolff to be the second starter, playing next to a veteran safety that’s worth a damn

  • Joe Thomas

    The Eagles have to sign a starting caliber FA Saftey, for multiple reasons. As long as they take care of the saftey issue, i dont care who we draft, just as long as they work out. I can definitely see Chip going offense in the first round, if he likes a big receiver there, but i got confidence he will take care of the defense also.

  • JofreyRice

    Polamalu being mentioned as a possible surprise cut candidate. In a world where the Eagles are willing to pony up a short term decent money deal–6/7 mil per for 2 or years–would you want Troy in midnight green, patrolling the secondary for Davis’ derivative 3-4 fire zone, in a run support/box safety role? I think I would.

    • GEAGLE

      No clue…have no idea what level he has been playing at…Has he been healthy? Or is he missing games all the time?…I’d rather have Lamarr Woodley, if we had to take a veteran cast off from the Steelers, but he hasn’t exactly been the poster child for health and durability either

      • JofreyRice

        He’s not what he was in coverage, but he’s still a good S. Didn’t fall off like Ed Reed…yet. Like I said, I’d want him more in that box safety role, not necessarily asking him to cover the deep middle too often.

        They’ll probably work on pay cut/extension so he retires a Steeler. The owner has publicly said that he doesn’t want to see Polamalu in another uniform.

        • GEAGLE

          Makes sense…that’s a damn good owner. Wonder what happens in the next Giants era, when they don’t have Wilmington Mara making decisions on the next era of Giants football. That owner made sure they were always a well run thorn in our side..hopefully the next decision maker is more Snyder/Jerry then Wilmington

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      Nooooo, he’s not the player he was. No thanks.

    • Token

      I see a decent amount of the Steelers. Hes nearly done IMO. Played last year, but guy always has something nagging.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        ^ this this this

    • Tom W

      Please no. Let the cowboys grab him or some other dopey gm

  • Joe Thomas

    I know one thing, it be pretty cool if we did end up with Clinton-Dix, and after every big hit the Linc shouts in unison. “HA HA”

    • Andy124

      If we draft him he absolutely has to go by Ha’Sean so we can have 3 ‘Seans. ‘Sean cubed.

      I also happen to think ‘Ha Ha’ is a pretty sad nickname.

      • Joe Thomas

        That would work better if he was on offense.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        As leader, I’d assume Foles would change his name to fit in. Nick’sean?

        • Andy124

          Since Nick is in a leadership position, I guess they’d adopt the second half of his name instead:
          D’ick and L’ick.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            and Hasean/Haha would be H’ick.
            Howie and Chip Ch’ick, make it happen.

  • Andy124

    Ok, I joined the crowd and played with that draft simulator everyone is talking about. I stopped trading back after a few because it’s just so unrealistic and frankly, I have no idea who to draft in the late rounds. I know crap about linemen coming out, so I mostly stuck to guys we’ve talked about here. I was pretty happy with who I ended up with though. I think this might lead to the release of Casey Matthews though:

    Round 1 Pick 22: Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo (A)
    Round 2 Pick 30 (N.E.): Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (D+)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Jimmie Ward, SS, Northern Illinois (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 31 (DEN): Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State (A)
    Round 4 Pick 23 (CINN): Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (B-)
    Round 4 Pick 31 (DEN): Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Josh Huff, WR, Oregon (A)
    Round 5 Pick 29: Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon (C+)
    Round 6 Pick 24 (K.C.): De’Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon (C-)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Michael Schofield, OT, Michigan (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 29 (N.E.): Alden Darby, SS, Arizona State (A)

    They clearly haven’t updated their rankings in a while as they had Barr go #2 and Mack fall to me and gave me a D+ for drafting At-At in the second.

    • Joe L

      As a Rutgers alum I’d love to see how a big-bodied WR like Coleman could fare in Kelly’s offense.

      • Richard Colton

        R…

        • Joe L

          UUUUUUUUUU!

          • Richard Colton

            Damn right. I went during the bad days – saw Ray Lewis and Miami beat up on the Knights a few times.

          • Joe L

            Hard times man. Luckily I was there at the beginning of the resurgence. I got to watch that magical season of two 1,000 yard receivers (Britt and Underwood) a 2,000 yard rusher (Rice) and a 3,000 yard QB (Teel) all in one season. First time in NCAA history.

    • Richard Colton

      addictive, isn’t it? And you know why I upvoted. Any draft that gets us three LBs in the first four picks basically guarantees an end to the caseymatthews era.

      • Andy124

        I knew you’d like that.

        • Richard Colton

          the game gets a little silly – but if we were to come out of the draft with ONLY your rounds 2,3,4 picks – you wouldn’t find an unhappy person here.

          • GEAGLE

            It’s silly if you make it silly…You can play it semi realistically if you want, you just can’t pay attention to the grades, because good grades mean you didn’t have a realistic draft.l

          • GEAGLE

            Like I just tried to do a realistic one and I ended up being graded as the second worst draft out of all 31 teams lol. I traded away our first round pick for two 2nd rounders(8 and 21) and I traded back and got an extra 3rd..so basically I lost a first round pick but ended up with two extra draft picks total…I tried to make it realistic, like I didn’t adress the secondary and Jimmy Ward was available in the 4th and I passed on him because there was no shot at getting him in that round…
            ..
            Ended up with:
            RD2 #8 Kyle Van Noy OLB/ILB
            Rd2 #21 Jordan Mathews WR
            Rd2 #22 Christian Jones OLB/ILB
            Rd3 #21 Devante Adams WR
            Rd3 #22 Marcus Smith OLB
            Rd4 #22 Justin Ellis DL (coulda had Jimmy Ward but too unrealistic)
            Rd5 #22 Terrence Mitchell CB/S
            Rd5 #29 Colt Lyeria TE
            Rd7 #22 Andrew Norwell OG

            Basically we would be set at LB. We would have traded away BG for like a 5th after ending up with all those LBs in first 3 rounds. Casey Mathews would be at the unemployment office? Cole would be a year away from being gone and we would be stocked with:
            Barwin
            KVN
            C Jones
            Marcus Smith
            Kendricks
            Meco
            Cole

            We would have to sign multiple FA safeties so we wouldn’t be able to get Ward/Byrd…we would have to go with something like:
            Malcom Jenkins
            Nate Allen
            Earl Wolff
            Corey Graham
            Chung (til next offseason)
            ..
            And our pass catchers would be scary:
            Desean
            Coop
            Maclin
            Jordan Mathews
            Devante Adams
            Ertz
            Celek
            Lyeria
            ..,.
            Funny how my dream draft graded out as second worst of all 31 teams lol..

            We have the 22 pick in round 2. I wouldn’t mind trading our first rounder for two round 2 picks..if you can turn the #22 pick in the draft into KVN and Jordan Mathews, that’s a serious score that I wouldn’t mind losing our first round pick for and this draft is so deep that finding Jordam and KVN on the board in round two isn’t THAT far fetched

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I’ll continue to downvote you until you stop with this ridiculous Graham at S nonsense. Did you get that from the awful BGN article last week? Why does everyone think CBs are easy to convert to safety? He’d make about as much sense back there as Boykin.
            He’s best suited to go to a team that plays zone or thirds, in a nickel heavy package. I love the guy, but don’t honestly think he’d beat out Fletch or Sconces outside. Would he be willing to take the same situation, essentially, he had in Bmore? Or is he more keen on starting? Either way, if he comes here, he is NOT the answer at safety. just stop.

          • GEAGLE

            Huh? I dont even visit BGNs home page….CG isn’t a safety anything…he is a special team player. Colt Anderson isn’t a safety..he is a ST player whom we categorize as a safety…CG is NOTHING MORE then a Colt Anderson who we can actually put in the game on defense in emergency situations??categorize him as a safety! corner, whatever the hell your heart desires, but he is just a ST player…..you can downvote all you want but I’ll guarentee you ANYTHING that the Eagkes sign CG….I’ll bet you a beer at UFC in Baltimore that CG is signed by the Eagles…bet you anything. Its not my decisions, I’m just preparing you for what will happen :)

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            You don’t get it. I have no problem with signing him. I want him. But he is NOT colt, he is a competent defensive player as well as ST. And while on defense, he plays CB, NOT safety. Really, really simple. You have him listed with the safeties, just 1 post up. I dunno, maybe you just type and don’t read, but enough is enough already.

      • NickS1

        Boooo. You love Casey.

        • Richard Colton

          I would rather let Casey Anthony watch my kids, then let Casey Matthews be my starting linebacker.

          • GEAGLE

            That was a good one!!!

      • kandy830

        My Uncle Caleb just got red Ford Focus ST
        by working off of a computer. try this C­a­s­h­D­u­t­i­e­s­.­ℂ­o­m

        • GEAGLE

          I’ll try immediately…thanks so much

    • JofreyRice

      that looks fun, I missed the link, tho. Care to share? You came out with a nice haul there.

      • GEAGLE
        • JofreyRice

          thanks!

          • GEAGLE

            Lol wait til you see how addictive it is before you go thanking me

  • anon

    Saw a story where Ertz is supposed to take over TE1 next year. You think they ask Celek / Casey to restructure? They both earn 4 this year — i think they are both FA after 2014.

    • Tom W

      Avant Casey and Chung are the players under contract most likely to be cut or have a talking to w Howie once march comes around.

    • GEAGLE

      They may restructure but I’d be shocked if they weren’t on the roster. Even if Ertz takes over #1 duty, FOles was at his best and most efficient this year out of 2TE sets so I expect it to be a bigger part of the offense next year…I think there is a better chance of us carrying 4TEs next year then Casey of Celek not being here, but I could see a scenario where Casey is gone! but not Celek….regardless what we do, hoping we add Fiedorowicz or Lyeria

  • Tom W

    After we grab a vet safety Byrd more likely Clemons or Stevie brown and dl depth like ropa pititoua and that backup olb from the skins who is young and played well in 2012 when the starters were out and a 4th corner who has height and experience like ej biggers we can go bpa at every position in the draft. No need to force safety in rd1 … Eric berry and earl Thomas ain’t walking through that door in Pryor or haha.

    Id rather go bpa at 22 w Barr Evans or Benjamin or trade down w a qb needy team or otackle needy team in the top 11 of the second rd and get an extra third atleast that is what chart says.

    Go wr or edge olb w first two picks and safety/corner in 3d and 4th and a 5tech or nt in rd 5 w black mamba or colt or guard from bama

    • GEAGLE

      Isn’t Ropa a 4-3DE? Stevie will be extended before FA…doubt Clemons or Mitchell would apeal to us..dudes are hitters, think we prefer cover guys

      • Tom W

        Nope. Dude is 6 8 and can play same positions as geathers w a better pass rush. Just bc brown said he would like to go back nothing is set in stone. Clemons isn’t a hitter. Didn’t say anything bout Mitchell. And the kid from the skins fits age and measurements and shouldn’t break the bank but has some upside

  • wydok

    You know what would be great? If the Cowboys had a receiver named Lewinsky. ;)

  • Wilbert31

    someone could hold up a sign saying “hey Eli, you can’t handle our Dix!” Someone could. I’m not going to, but someone could.

  • GEAGLE

    They are saying Lamar Woodley is going to be cut, the only question is will it be by march 11 or June 1st?…I’m hoping he isn’t cut until June. If we are going to get value for Brandon Graham because we don’t intend on signing him next year(I’m not saying that’s the case), the trade probably wouldn’t happen til the draft and by then the OLB FA market will have dried up. Say we draft an OLB in the first 3 rounds, he would take Casey Mathews roster spot(technically because Mathews is the first LB on the chopping block). So if sometime near round 4 the Eagles announce that they traded BG to a 4-3 team for a 5th round pick, we probably end up needing to sign another OLB after the draft..Taking a flier on Woodley IMO wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. He doesn’t turn 30 til November, and I think has way more left in the OLB pass rush tank then Cole does. If we are going to be a SB contender in 2015, having Woodley as part of our pass rush rotation could be a good thing. Woodleys recent problems are he keeps dealing with nagging injuries. He turns 30 in November, but in a situational role, Hulls, and our sports science might help Woodley find the fountain of use and get two productive years out of him…

    Doesn’t neccessarily have to be Woodley, I just hope some decent OLBs don’t get cut until June, that way we won’t be left bare if we end up trading BG for value during the draft

    • anon

      Nah, take a look at his numbers. He’s also got a chronic calf injury that put in him on IR. He hasn’t had double digit sacks since 2009.

      http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4224/lamarr-woodley

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah because he has been missing games right? No one is signing him as a 3 down OLB any more, but if he can get healthy, he would still probably be our best pass,rushing OLB out of BG and Cole…he isn’t someone you go sign in FA, but if you trade BG on draft night he would be an adequate stop gap to get us from June to the next offseason. I don’t know how likely it is that we trade BG so this probably won’t matter..but you aren’t going to find more then stop gaps if you go shopping in June..

  • GEAGLE

    The consensus opinion right now seem to be that Decker is going to get 9-10mil per year, which is insanity to me, but he probably will get That much. AJ Greens, and Calvin Johnson’s don’t become free agents too often, so if you want to get FA WRs you end up grossly over paying for Decker and Mike Wallace types. That’s why, if we can’t reach extensions with coop and Mac, I damn sure wouldn’t try to sign someone else’s WR…cant sign FA WR..either retain ours before they become free agents, of replace them in the draft…no interest in bidding for b list WRs,ll

    Recent intel about the WR market that I can find is:
    ..
    1) Decker will be the prize of the crop, and cost 9-10mil per year.
    ..,
    2) Anquan BOldin is said to be close to a 2yr extension for 10mil with 6mil in Guarentees. BOldin turns 34yrs old in October

    3) The market for Nicks I’m seeing estimated at 3-4mil per year

    Wonder where Maclin and Coop fit in? Not sure why Emmanuel Sanders doesn’t get more love, he probably ends up being one of the best values(age,ability, price tag)..depending on the team he goes to, Sanders could end up being one of the top WR from the FA market during the duration of the contracts they are about to sign..

    panthers FA CB says it looks like panthers will let all Their FA test the market(they haven’t reached out to representatives of Captain or hardy)

    • anon

      i think you overpay for the best at every position, i think the kr/pr specialist will be cheaper, though i don’t think we do anything prior to the draft.

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t see giving 40million to Byrd as overpaying…he is THE best at a position, and worth every penny….Decker isn’t the best anything..he may be the best on the market(debateable since I think Emannuel is the best)…paying for a top player at his position is ok…paying a guy top player money because he is the best on the market, is bad business

        • AndreWaters20

          Byrd has had the same freak injury in both legs (I think they were ankle injuries), a definite red flag. But he is the most talented. Question is: do you trust him to stay healthy? For the money he’s going to command, I’d pass, sign Ward and draft one or maybe two guys. Just my opinion.

  • GW.Fisher

    We need to draft Clinton-Dix. We then become the leaders of the All-Sean league: De Sean, Le Sean, & Ha Sean…