Twitter Mailbag: Safety Needs

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From @pmeredith77: Why are people saying the Eagles won’t pursue Jairus Byrd or TJ Ward when mid-level safeties haven’t gotten it done in the past?

Many view the message coming out of the NovaCare as a smokescreen, but I really believe the Eagles have changed their thinking when it comes to free agency. They’re wary of sinking a large chunk of their available cash into a single player. On multiple occasions, Howie Roseman has likened free agency to an arranged marriage: you don’t know whether team and player are truly compatible until after pen has gone to paper.


The fact that Chip Kelly's time at Oregon overlapped with both Byrd and Ward's takes some of the guesswork out of it. He has spent time around the players, and has a basic understanding of how they would fit into the Eagles' defense and culture. That alleviates some of the concern. And, as Sheil did a great  job of illustrating yesterday, a player of Byrd's caliber would fare just fine in Billy Davis' (and just about any) scheme thank you very much.

These guys definitely check some boxes -- familiarity with coach, right age range (27), etc. -- and would bolster a position that is in desperate need of an upgrade. I'm sure there has been plenty of back-and-forth inside the NovaCare on whether they should just go for it with one of these guys. Ultimately, I think they stick to the blueprint, bring in a couple lower-priced safeties and spread around the wealth instead of dropping most of it on Byrd or Ward (assuming they make it to the open market to begin with). I'm not saying that's the right thing to do, but I think that's the route the Eagles will go.

From @mfgimbel How about Delmas for #Eagles?

Safety Louis Delmas was just let go by the Lions, who free up about $6 million of cap space with the move. Because he was released, teams do not need to wait to the start of free agency to sign him. The Lions reportedly want to bring him back at a reduced rate.

Delmas is 26 and can be a playmaker when he's on the field. He started all 16 games this past season but was reportedly still hampered by lingering knee issues. I think the health concerns will prevent the Eagles from seriously pursuing him, though anything's possible if the money and risk level is right.

From @bmcg822:What position(s) do you think they need to strengthen b/f draft so they don't have to target a position in the draft?

Safety and outside linebacker come immediately to mind.

Earl Wolff, Patrick Chung and Keelan Johnson are the only safeties on the roster at the moment. That's troubling. There is no question that the Eagles need to address the position before May 8 rolls around, especially considering that this is not  a particularly strong safety class coming out. I say they sign multiple free-agent safeties. While the hole might not be quite as glaring, it would certainly give Roseman and Chip Kelly some peace of mind if they can secure an outside linebacker in free agency as well.

Receiver is interesting. Depending on what happens with Jeremy Maclin and Riley Cooper (and with other free-agent wideouts), receiver could be anywhere from a pressing need to a luxury item come draft time. Even if they are a little bare at the position, the Eagles can take some solace in the fact that receiver is one of the strengths of this draft.

  • anon

    Anyone think we pursue Martin in light of the report? I understand he was demoted last year but it’s unclear whether that was due to bullying. Heard he might go to SF, which would make sense given the connections.

    That said anyone think sports science can help with Delmas’ knee issues? He’s so young. At the same time he didn’t want to renegotiate with the lions so likely he really wants $5-$6mm. Is Byrd worth 150-175% of that amount, is he that much better? (answer could be yes, just posing the question).

    **EDIT: Also i will say that we weren’t beat over the top really at all going down the stretch last year (the AZ game stands out a little), no whiffing on run plays either really. Maybe we were playing with 2-deep safeties, but i’ve actually been pretty pleased with Fletcher’s ability to defend passes down field. Does anyone view that as a reason not to go for a $10mm/yr safety?

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I personally don’t want any part of the Martin/Incognito drama wheel.

      I think the Lions may be gambling if their intentions are indeed to bring Delmas back at a reduced dollar figure. With the rest of the league knowing about his knee issues, many teams will stay away, while others will want to do some in depth medical investigations to see where he is. With good safety play at a premium in the NFL, I’m sure that Delmas will draw interest regardless of knee problems.

      As for Byrd/Ward & your $10M/Yr safety question regarding Eagles. When I think of dominant pressure 3-4 defense, the Steelers are the first that come to mind. The Steelers D was built featuring the OLB & Safety (not CB) positions as the playmakers. You could probably say the same for the other 3-4 defenses that immediately come to mind in 49ers & Ravens. These teams all seem strong in the middle of the secondary (Polamalu, Clark, Reed, Whitner, Goldson) with average to above average CBs, but nobody really of high note across all of those teams. So add a top quality safety to our 2 physical corners on the outside, with a ballhawk in Boykin & that’s a secondary that then can become pretty damn good.

      • RIP illa

        The oft injured Ladarius Webb. The oft underrated Ike Taylor (before he got old) and Keenan Lewis. If you wanna take it back…Rod Woodson!!! There’s a reason why CBs get paid…you can’t just ignore the position. You gotta have at least one that’s better than above average!!!

        You gotta have a Safety who can play center field and be smart. You need the other who can play up in the box, and that doesn’t just mean hitting…he’s gotta be able to just be a sure tackler and be able to cover short. One of them has to be a playmaker. You need your OLB that can get to the QB w/ consistency. And an MLB that’s your QB of the D, and the other MLB that’s athletic and a sideline to sideline guy. And your NT that can anchor to go along w/ you better than above average CB.

        All successful 3-4 teams have had these pieces in place, more often than not, throughout history.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Woodson is the only guy from those you listed though that was a “star” player at CB. The rest all compare to what we already have at CB as above average. That’s also just the Steelers. I agree that Taylor was an underrated player, but he was also the benefactor of a strong safety tandem of Clark & Polamalu that have played with him that same 10yr stretch.

          • RIP illa

            Taylor and Lewis, were/are better than Fletch ever will be. They were/are better than above average. That’s the point here. You don’t need a superstar, but I’ll be damned if that means we shouldn’t look for the next one. You need at least one corner that is better than above average. Troy never stayed w/in the scheme and Ike was left out on an island many time. Clark had to cover up for Troy.

            I don’t think we’re in the mold of the 9ers, cuz I do believe that they run a different 3-4 than we do. But GB and Pitt are/were built off of the same 3-4 scheme as us. And when successful, they had all the ingredients that I listed more often than not.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Hey don’t get me wrong, I’m definitely not saying you don’t look for a good CB. I’m just trying to figure out whether the change to a 3-4 increases the priority of the safety position enough to justify paying $10M to one player & if there is a specific “formula” for building a secondary with a 3-4 front in the salary cap age. Remember how we didn’t value LBs or to a lesser extent safeties in our 4-3 years, but rather DEs & CBs? We all know that LBs are now at a premium in the 3-4, but what about the secondary?

    • Richard Colton

      Don’t want Martin for any reason. I really wouldn’t be shocked if he wasn’t playing at all next year. I understand your rationale – we get a young O-lineman who’s a proven commodity for a bargain price. And yeah, we need one or two of them. I just don’t want him.

      • reb

        Ok, but why not? He’s “soft?”

        • Richard Colton

          Obviously I don’t know the entire story, but yeah. It’s telling that even in this modern climate of acceptance, his teammates all took incognito’s side. I think he’s a Shawn Andrews type head case. He flaked out, then needed an excuse – so he blamed his line mates. IMO – he’s a liar and a punk.

          • peteike

            except it wasnt just him being hazed so theres that. How can anyone blame the guy for handling it the way he did after reading that. Not everyone is cut from the same cloth. I guess I get that at some point you should let them know you dont like it but as a young player I totally understand trying to fit in for that first year. After that, not so much.

          • anon

            I really see both sides, but they were terrible and he had a couple of years left on his rookie deal. I’d have found a way to force a trade too

          • Richard Colton

            I don’t want Incognito either – or Pouncy. I’m content to enjoy the Dolphins’ misery and be thankful that we have two outstanding young lineman, three outstanding old lineman, and one decent backup.

          • GEAGLE

            Only dolphins I want are Dion,Wake and Jelanie Jenkins

          • Richard Colton

            Don’t see them giving up on Dion Jordon, new regieme or not. But hey, if they’re that stupid, I’d be willing to part with Brandon Graham and a mid-round draft pick.

          • GEAGLE

            No way they give up on him…heck I’d give them the 22nd pick in a heartbeat for Dion…but they would never do that

          • Freedom fannn

            I would trade Brandon Graham and Vinny Curry and our 2nd 5th round pick ( # 157 ) this year, for Dion Jordon. That is a NO brainer. Gives us a athletic 3/4 OLB, with serious pass rush potential, and gives them 2 4/3 DE’s with pass rush ability. Can anybody say …..WIN ! WIN !

          • OldDocRoss

            In fairness, he tried playing along, he tried telling them to phuck off and he tried threatening to “start swinging”. None worked. Plus, he sounds like he blamed himself for being to weak to stop it.

            On the flip side, I don’t think Incognito et al had any idea how much Martin was hurting and they genuinely thought it was all just manly fun and games.

            The bit where I struggle is that Martin tells Incognito he was depressed and contemplated suicide and at that point Incognito *doesn’t* think it might be a plan to tell the rest of the line to tone it down. Sure, Martin didn’t say he was depressed because of the taunting/bullying, but I’m fairly sure if one of my friends told me he’d thought about offing himself recently, me and the boys wouldn’t be teasing him about riding a train on his mum any time soon.

        • RIP illa

          He is!!! Don’t know why that’s in quotations. It’s not even a question. He played soft and handled his situation like a bitch…and that doesn’t mean he had to fight Incognito either. RC was right. Kid is more Shawn Andrews than anything!!!

          • reb

            The Shawn Andrews comparison is worth thinking about – it happens. I don’t know how he played, to be honest. The independent report doesn’t affect your thinking on it?

            Honestly, I don’t have too much of an opinion on it either way, except for the “if there’s a young, skilled lineman for cheap.”

          • RIP illa

            I used to think that about him also until I started hearing and learning more about the situation that led to his departure. Kid never stood up for himself, not once in a year and a 1/2 (and that could have been done in numerous ways). He just left. Naw…let him be some other’ steam project. There’s plenty of skilled OL out there that need developing and are not a headcase. The good thing about OL is that their drafted round doesn’t effect how good they can become as much as it does other positions in the game.

          • peteike

            ya my mind was changed a lot after reading all the important parts on deadspin. Meatheads doesnt even begin to describe those guys, and Pouncey maybe even worse for accepting and being around that. At some point its not locker room culture but just ignorance. I mean the Japanese hazing, man oh man. I guess the mentality for some doesnt get past the 5th grade level when they are praised through their formative years.

          • anon

            it was encouraged by the OL coach — that’s crazy.

          • peteike

            ya getting him the male blow up doll, nice job coach.

      • Weapon Y

        Idk how he performed as a player. If good, I’d pull a Belichick and get him for a low risk, high reward deal. If bad, stay away from him. It would sure be nice to get a future starting OT for cheap. I wouldn’t pass up that opportunity.

        • GEAGLE

          One thing to keep in mind is Martin and Zack Ertz were room mates! they are tight, wonder if that relationship puts us on the short list of destinations Martin can try to rehabilitate his image and career….

      • GEAGLE

        I want nothing to do with Martin…an Oline with his Charecter? GOD NO!!…if we had to take one of these TEBOW type of attention getters, I would rather have Micheal Sam any day instead of Martin….but I prefer no national stories. Like flying under the radar

        • Richard Colton

          We took a chance on Vick and Coop – both of them ended up paying off. The difference is both those guys could play football and both were liked (or at least tolerated) by their teammates. I don’t like Martin’s game or his head. agree 100%

          • GEAGLE

            Lol, Olinemen need to be BODY GUARD, BULLDOG, never back down, get dirty, by any means neccessary mentality…that ain’t Martin..it’s just Not. who he is as a person will always limit him as an OT..and I’m not saying there is anything wrong with him as a man…he just has no business battling in the trenches, fighting to protect your franchises most important asset….he can gain all the strength and technique he wants..his personality(the way he is wired) will always limit him as an OLinemen IMO….

    • RIP illa

      It wasn’t so much 2 deep safeties as it was our CBs playing 10 yards off and specifically, towards the end of the season, we ran a lot more zone…I believe. Davis knew coming in to the beginning of the season, that we didn’t have speed on the outside so that’s why we didn’t press as much, even though we have CBs that can press.

      Out of all the teams we played, the Giants are the only team that stand out, in trying to expose our CBs lack of ability to turn and run. In both games we played them, they would send a WR on a go, specifically against Fletch, but they would also send a TE or slot on a seam or more accurately, a skinny post. This forced the safety (Allen) to never give help over the top, stay w/ the Inside guy, and leave Fletch one on one. This is a lot different, than last year, where they and other teams, would throw at Nnamdi and Nate by sending the WR on a go and the TE or slot (on the same side) on a post. As soon as the inside guy made his move inside, Nate would always follow and bite hard, regardless if there was another safety there to protect the inside, and leave Nnamdi beat for a big gain and pointing!!! So to Nate’s credit, he showed that he learned to stay deep. And to Eli’s discredit…he missed a bunch of times on that play or hung the ball up just enough for Fletch to recover. I still think Nate has lost a step and range, cuz I do remember him trailing to far behind on deep balls in many other games, even if they weren’t complete.

      So yeah a Safety that has range and knows how to play the field and can ballhawk is definitely worth it. Even if Byrd cost 10 mil!!! That’s just my opinion tho. But in a year or two, when we get younger (and hopefully faster) at corner, we’ll be making it real difficult for QBs to take shots down field and help out our front 7 pressure, when we can have our CBs press on a regular basis…as long as we have a safety that can play a hell of a lot better than Nate, over the top. Byrd!!!

    • myeaglescantwin

      why would you want someone with those character flaws.. New policy:: NO PLAYERS THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITTED TO MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES IN THEIR CAREERS.

    • Rick H

      I would because he is a young very good potential offensive linemen. The Dolphins organization is a mess. (See http://www.deadspin.com) The level of conduct is gutter low and I do not blame Martin.

  • GEAGLE

    Offseason defensive additions:
    FA:
    Everson Griffin 3yr deal OLB
    Malcom Jenkins 4yr deal S
    Corey Graham ST Leader, hybrid safety/CB add depth, 2yr deal replacing Colt And,
    Terrence Mount Cody DL, but he won’t make the 53 man roster

    Draft:
    Dee Ford or Marcus Smith OLB
    Buchanon or Baily S
    Terrence Mitchell CB
    Lamin barrow ILB
    Justin Eliis DL

    • anon

      You think we go without making a meaningful addition to offense in the draft?

      • GEAGLE

        No

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Which picks are you looking for in return from CLE in exchange for our pick at #22? They already have two picks in the first rd (4 & 26) to use to significantly bolster their roster should they make good selections of course. I can’t see them giving us 26 & 35 for 22. Not when they also have that pick at #4. However, they may see Clinton-Dix or Pryor sitting there when we are up knowing there is a good chance we go safety & want to move up if they let Ward walk.

          I’m just not convinced that they’ll give us 26 & 35. 26 & 71 could be enough but only if the Eagles can still get a bonified pass rusher & safety would I consider that a good trade. I’m personally not even listening if the offer were their picks at 35 & 71 for our 22. You’d basically be moving back hoping that high 3rd rounder pans out & I think we can all agree that what the Eagles need is not just depth, but more importantly top end talent on defense. Moving back from 22 to 35 is a helluva drop to only get the 7th pick in the 3rd.

          • FluxCapacitor

            How about their 2nd this year and their 1st next year? That would make for an interesting conversation.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yes but highly unlikely for the 22nd pick in the draft.

            If we could get their 26th & 35th, that’s ideal. More likely their 26th & 71st. But if they did that, we need that 71st pick to matter & not just be a guy fighting for a roster spot.

          • Freedom fannn

            A ( better for Eagles ) more likely scenario , would be for Eagles to swap their 1st round, 2nd round, and third round picks with Cleveland. That would give Cleveland :
            1st round – 4th pick ( trade with Redskins )
            1st round – 22nd pick
            2nd round – 54th pick
            3rd round – 86th pick
            It would give the Eagles :
            1st round – 26th pick – move back 4 spots
            2nd round – 35th pick – move up 21 spots
            3rd round – 71st pick – move up 15 spots

            Just a thought. Would be great though. Deep draft loaded with players in top 3 rounds. Moving up in the 2nd and 3rd rounds would be terrific!!

          • Freedom fannn

            If the above sounds too far fetched ….. maybe just trading the Eagles 1st and 2nd and 5th round picks to Cleveland, for their 2nd first rounder ( # 26 ) and swapping 2nd rounders might get it done.
            Cleveland gets:
            first round – # 26

            2nd round – # 54
            5th round – # 157
            Philadelphia gets :
            first round – # 22

            2nd round – # 35
            This may be more realistic.

          • GEAGLE

            I dunno…trading up does little for me in this draft, basically there will be a player I want anywhere we draft in the first 3 rounds….I would much rather trade away our first round pick for Cleveland’s 2,3, and 4th….we wouldn’t have a first round pick, but we would have two picks in rounds 2-5…because Cleveland has two 3rds and two 4ths…trading away one of each and their second for our first may apeal to them…they would get to start a brand new regime with a splash of 3 first round picks, no 2nd rounder, but then they would still have one pick left in each round from rounds 3-7…

            Sure we would give up our first round pick, but we should easily be able to find a quality OLB and Safety in round two of this draft class…two 3rd round picks can net us two QUALITY WRs like Landry and martevius Bryant…and then we would still have two 4ths, and two 5ths to add ILB,CB,DL,OG

          • GEAGLE

            They have two 3rds and two 4ths…I want one of each and their second round pick the one at the beginning of nthe round…
            We would have:
            Two 2nds
            Two 3rds
            Two 4ths
            Two 5ths
            ..
            And they would have
            Three firsts
            One 3rd
            One 4th
            One 5th
            One 6th
            One 7th

          • GEAGLE

            We can get Marcus smith and Buchanon with our two 2nds

            Two WRs in round 3

            CB/ILB in round 4
            ..
            OL/TE in 5

            If we get Cleveland’s 2,3 and 4

      • myeaglescantwin

        meaningful would be backup OL all across the line. We need players to groom into starters. + what are the chances the entire OL stays healthy all season again?

        after that, some late round WR’s and KR’s..
        nothing rd 1

        • anon

          if we’re trying to get where we want to go through the draft it’s gong to take a long time — we don’t really have good depth at any position. Even if we hit on 50% of draft picks which is sort of generous that’s only 3 players a year, especially if we’re picking later and later in the draft.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I think the mindset of building through the draft is meant more to build up your starters primarily through the draft. Then you can add depth & fill holes you couldn’t fill through the draft in FA.

            If you completely rest your hopes on the draft without conceding that you’ll need to spend some money in FA, you’ll be very sorry in the end or need to be extremely lucky.

      • GEAGLE

        I expect to have two 3rd round picks and draft two WRs,,like Jarvis Landry and Coleman,Moncrief or martevius…to add to Maclin,Coop,Desean and Ertz….I expect a OG in the late rounds..DAT if he falls to round 5 or 6…Colt Lyeria or Fiedorowicz

    • RIP illa

      Why do you like Mitchell? Is cuz he may be able to play both positions?

      • GEAGLE

        I like him for falling to rounds 4-5..wouldn’t want I him in round 3. Just like his versatility and how he held up this year. Everyone was avoiding OLOMU, throwing at Mitchell, and he held his own…T.Mitch and Corey Graham give us nice versatility and depth

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I just don’t see Dee Ford. He’s too close to the mold of what we already have and seem to be trying to move away from. However, if we’re willing to go somewhat against the mold, I’d rather have KVN. Everyone just seems to peg him as an all around LB (3-4 LOLB or ILB) because he proved to be exceptional in coverage last year & dismiss him as a possible target for us. But seem to forget that the year prior he was used primarily as a pass rusher and fared quite well posting 13 sacks, 53 total tackles, with 22 of those for losses. That’s a guy that can get into the backfield & has the quickness to rush outside of a LT or cut inside his blocker. I know people also say that his frame seems maxed out, but I think he could still add ten pounds evened out between his chest/shoulders & his upper legs & still maintain his speed & quickness.

      • GEAGLE

        I really have a feeling it’s going to be Marcus Smith..but I love KVN

    • sleepz

      Jenkins is underrated as a safety imho.

      He would be a welcomed addition to the secondary.

      • GEAGLE

        I expect us to make Byrd an offer, it won’t be the highest offer, but it will be comperable..if Byrd won’t take like 3mil less from us to come play for a contender in a big market then I expect us to sign Jenkins between 4 and 5mil per year, 5 year deal that we can get out of after year 3…
        ..
        So basically at safety I’m expecting:
        Byrd or Jenkins to start
        A draft pick between rounds 2-5 to compete with Wolff for the other starting spot
        Corey Graham cheap two year deal to be our upgraded Colt Anderson
        Wolff
        Not sure yet about Chung. Tough to replace 4 safeties in one offseason. He may be safe for a year, but it would be at a much cheaper rate

    • Sven

      We have an offense too, you know.

      • RIP illa

        Boo!!! :-)

      • GEAGLE

        Offense will retain Coop and Maclin before they ever become FA. They will draft two WR, maybe a TE..pick up a OG or two in the late rounds..

        We will focus on keeping Mac,Coop,Desean together, while drafting 2 WRs(assuming we get two extra picks)..maybe another TE like Fiedorowicz or Lyeria…late round guards, maybe cheap FA Barbre type guard…there won’t be many new faces on offense next year

  • myeaglescantwin

    Delmas is a no-go in my mind. He is going to be getting aroun6-7,, i’d rather shoot for 8-9 in Byrd. + if a player is really an impact safety, you’re not letting him go.. Delmas was part of one of the worst secondaries in the league last year.

    Safety is a position where you can add veteran talent, but i think we still need to shoot high in the draft to get Ha-Ha.
    unless they have some late round gem waiting in the wings.

    • Tom W

      Its about the guaranteed money and a guy w a history of injuries who just got cut probably won’t warrant much guaranteed money. I doubt it costs more than 6 mil guaranteed on a 5 yr 22 mil dollar deal similar to clover’s last year. Byrd is going to cost 4 times as much in guaranteed money. giant difference.

      • myeaglescantwin

        true true, but at the same token, theres no need to spend on a middle of the pack safety. if we don’t attack Byrd, i’d take the “batting average” approach they used this year for free agents.

    • anon

      Delmas also suffered from wide 9 syndrome.

  • Rick H

    THE SAFETY POSITION ALL COMES DOWN TO $$$! If Byrd wants or gets outrageous offers then he won’t be in Philadelphia. (Same with Ward) I think the league in general (at least two thirds of the league) has pulled back from big contracts to free agents. There is a trend there. More and more vets are looking at less money and shorter deals.
    On the flip side you still have a third of the league that throws big money all over the place and does so rather poorly I might add (see Redskins as just one of the teams).

    • BleedGreenJames

      Yeah but then you have desperate franchises that give the likes of Dannell Ellerbe, Dashon Goldson and Mario Williams exorbitant money and completely ruin the market for teams looking to add pieces that doesn’t completely gobble up their cap space. There is a middle ground, but it’s ruined by desperation.

      • Rick H

        Your point is dead on but hopefully every last penny isn’t the only thing. Does Byrd want to reunite with Chip or get a whopper of a deal in Washington or like place? Only Byrd knows that and Chip only knows how much he wants Bryd?

  • Chris Jones

    Rosemen thinks we can get by on the less flashy signings and in a lot of cases you can and it works out. However the eagles are at a point where they’re competing for the Super Bowl for atleast the next 3-5 years. We can’t be afraid to bring in playmakers who want the big bucks because this team has lacked those players for so long especially at the safety position. Sign Byrd and bring in a guy like Chris Clemons that should be perfect until the draft then you draft a safety and build him from the ground up.

    • anon

      that’d be great, but not happening. I’d take Clemons and Delmas for $10mm total. Spend money elsewhere or save it.

      • GEAGLE

        Why the hell would you do that? Oh that’s right, those are two names you have heard of lol…trust me you don’t want Clemons, Clemons is the Nate Allen of Miami fans lol.. and if Howie invest 5-6million in a player with degeneratve Knee conditions philly will crucify him…10million dollars for two average safeties? Haha that’s friggin absurd. You can have Byrd AND a pay a 2nd round pick for 10mil lol…why in the world would you want a 29yr old safety, with only two seasons of playing time, and a guy who is only going to practice like half the time? Just curious?
        ..
        Heck, you may be able to get Byrd,Wolff,Buchanon and Corey Graham to replace Colt for 10million lol…and you want Delmas and Clemons?

        • anon

          A 29 yo DB who only played half the time — isn’t that what we got in Williams, a 29 yo backup? Weren’t you also touting the size of the contract we gave him?

          My biggest issue with taking Byrd and then Wolff + draft picks is that if Byrd gets injured we’re fully exposed in the back(again). It’s not like he’s never missed games — you just never know with his injury. I’d rather get 2 midlevel guys (nate allen is not midlevel) if one gets hurt we arent fielding 2 safeties who are completely wet behind the ears, and chung.

          • GEAGLE

            I honestly have no clue what you just said, all I could make out was you attempting to throw something in my face…but whatever. Take it how you want it…..

          • anon

            If that second para wasn’t legible i’m not sure who has the problem.

          • GEAGLE

            I’m sorry. Thank you for the constant valuable content you contribute to the daily discussions. I appreciate it, and apologize for being rude to you…thank you for reading my every word, on a daily basis from one site to the next. I appreciate it, and need to do a better job of being less rude to you. Thank you, and once again, my sincerest Apologies. Have a great weekend

          • BrickSquadMonopoly

            You have serious mental issues. Even ur apologies are paragraphs.

  • Kg3

    Why isn’t anyone talking about Bernard Pollard?

    • anon

      he’s 30, and unclear how well he played last here — but he does have good measurables / experience. Honestly they have to be taking a look at everyone’s tape.

  • GEAGLE

    and for the fools who don’t believe me when I tell them we WONT be signing any monster NT’s….In Arizona, Billy Davis NT was like 6’3 308lbs…remind you of anyone? BENNY LOGAN is the future, get used to it!!

  • GEAGLE

    Everytime a former Duck is getting ready to leave his team. The philly rumors will follow. I already saw 3 sites questioning if we will trade for lamicheal James…
    ..
    we need to aquire extra picks. Not trade them away. The only way I’d be ok trading away picks is for an ELITE SUPER ATHLETE at a key position cough cough Anthony Barr…trading draft picks for a RB of all things would really bother me

    • anon

      is james better or worse than DAT? maybe he needs the right system. He may also be cheaper than DAT

      • GEAGLE

        Apples and oranges…technically they are both running backs but they are so different, they might as well be playing different positions…neither is a substitute for the other

  • Chris Jones

    Roseman needs to shake this fear of paying money for talent. You will not win the Super Bowl if you constantly target average players. Go big and spend the money on Byrd and grab a less expensive option like Chris Clemons and let them teach the new safety we draft. It’s like anything else in this world you get what you pay for.

    • Adam

      Haha, I’d love to know where you shop if you actually get what you pay for. As George Carlin would say, you get whatever they feel like giving you.

      I agree that Roseman needs to be a little less passive, but I don’t disagree with his line of thinking that the main priority is building through the draft. If we generally keep drafting well, at some point we will need to resign our picks. It hasn’t really become an issue because of such poor drafting pre-2011 but it will soon enough.

      I think we should pick up 1 starting safety this off-season, but with a guy like Clemons being 27 years old he’s going to be up for a long term deal, so why sign Byrd/Ward long term, Clemons, then draft a another guy, plus where does Wolff fit in? Not a good use of resources at all.

      You don’t have to look farther than Miami last year or the Eagles Dream Team to see you can’t buy a championship and that you almost never get what you pay for.