Eagles Wake-Up Call: Measurables Still Matter To Chip

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When Chip Kelly met with Howie Roseman and the Eagles’ scouting staff last January to go over an offseason plan, he was very specific with his preferences.

Kelly provided an outline that told Roseman’s group exactly what he was looking for out of each position group – height, weight, arm length, hand size, 40 time, etc.


While Kelly didn't provide those details to the media, he preached the 'big people beat up little people' philosophy. And when the Eagles finally started to sign free agents and select players in the draft, we got a pretty good glimpse of what Kelly was looking for.

Both cornerbacks - Bradley Fletcher and Cary Williams - were over 6 feet. Matt Barkley had big hands (10 1/8 inches). Bennie Logan had long arms (34 inches). And so on.

Now that Kelly has seen his players (and opponents) in action for a year, have his specific measurable preferences changed?

"The measurables never change, but you still have to get a guy," Kelly said. "You just can't say we want a 6-3, 220‑pound safety. Well, there are none. Well, we're not going to play with 10. This is what we ultimately will continue to look for and continue to strive for, but you still have to make concessions."

Kelly's comments provide insight into how the Eagles are building their roster. The previous regime left some talented players that might not exactly fit Kelly's preferences - Mychal Kendricks and Brandon Boykin, for example. But the coaches' job is to maximize the potential of the guys on the roster while adding new pieces that fit the mold.

"I think you just can't drop your guard everywhere and just say, 'Well, we're going to be a little bit short here, a little bit short here, a little bit short here,' " Kelly said. "Then all of a sudden your team is going to get run over. I have said big people beat up little people. We believe that. But it's a different league. This isn't recruiting where you can go out and offer and try to get them to come. There's a selection in the draft process, and we're not going to pick until the 22nd. There's 21 other guys that we may covet, but we don't have an opportunity to get them.

"You have ideals and you have parameters in terms of what we're looking for, but sometimes it may not be exactly what you're looking for, but you make do with it."

Roseman confirmed last offseason that there are deal-breakers - certain things that the Eagles will not make exceptions for.

After a second free agency period and draft with Kelly, we should get a better idea of what exactly he's looking for.

WHAT YOU MISSED

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According to an ESPN report, Eagles QBs coach Bill Lazor could be headed to Detroit to become the Lions' offensive coordinator.

From Cedric Thornton to DeSean Jackson to Alex Henery, here are three Eagles leftovers.

Will Riley Cooper be back next season? T-Mac and I disagree on this one.

McManus explains Howie Roseman's batting average approach.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Mike Sando of ESPN.com on Bills free-agent safety Jairus Byrd:

Byrd played the final 11 games this season after skipping the first five as an unhappy franchise player. "I think they like him a lot," one GM said, "but I would be surprised if he [was] hugely paid." One of the agents thought Byrd would get between $6.2 million and $7.5 million a year. The Bills were 15th in Total QBR allowed without Byrd and third after he reported.

Tommy Lawlor of Iggles Blitz offers some thoughts on Barkley:

Would Chip Kelly and Howie Roseman trust Barkley to be the backup? That player is a “chin strap away” as Kelly likes to say (by the way, I have no idea what that means other than to say the backup must be ready. Chin strap?). If the Eagles expect to be a Super Bowl contender next year, do you really want a 2nd year player as your primary backup? The Packers didn’t have the right backup QBs and they went 2-5-1 without Aaron Rodgers. You can go young or old, but you must have a good backup.

COMING UP

We'll keep a close eye on Lazor and Tom Gamble plus the Crystal Ball series continues with predictions for Michael Vick.

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  • Will

    Going to be very interested in the player’s Chip brings in going forward after his first year in the NFL. Does Chip want a Kicker with a Bigger leg, what do they do at the Safety spots, do they get an OLB, do they get a bigger NT, back up QB, and a Bigger WR going into next season….FA starts March 11th do they add 5-7 mid -level players or do they get a top tier player to fill Howie’s White Whale? Then they still have 7 draft picks….

    • Richard Colton

      be careful Will, the Alex Henery guy’s coming after you

      • Dominik

        Thought the same thing here. How dare you question a guy who made 23 out of 28 for 51 long? :D

        • Will

          Bigger legs beat up little legs…LMAO…

        • Richard Colton

          He’s got FACTS. What do you have? ohh, you have facts too? So confused.

      • Will

        lol morning Dick….AH falls under C’mon Man….

      • JofreyRice

        What a weird episode that was. Guy comes on and defends our crappy kicker with the most dull, insipid argument I’ve ever seen. “He made a 48 yard FG once. I like facts”. The Vick folks brought it much harder than that.

        • Richard Colton

          I made the mistake of clicking on his name. Every single comment in, like, 10 different threads, was about our kicker. I’m thinking he met AH at an autograph signing once and decided they shared a moment.

          • Bdawkbdawk

            It was a strange episode, but I think it’s fair to say that we shouldn’t get rid of the 20 something best kicker in the NFL unless we are darn sure that we’re getting someone better. I think it speaks to your point on an earlier post about bringing in competition, but letting that competition play out.

          • GEAGLE

            We aren’t cutting Alex, if he isn’t here next year it’s because the guy we brought in to compete with him, wins the job

  • GEAGLE

    6’3 220lb safety? You mean Cam THE HAMMER Chancellor?

    • cliff henny

      closest we’ll ever see to Chancellor is if Kendricks loses 25lbs and switches to safety.

      • GEAGLE

        DO IT!nDo IT!! Barry Finkle says DO IT!!

        • G_WallyHunter

          Biggest lighting fixture chain in the southland DOO IT. DO IT.
          Come on, DO IT… OH look at these two hot chickens..
          Johnny red knee, ok.. DO IT, do it

          • NickS1

            Johnny Red neat, do it, do it.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Knee lol definitely meant neat yes

    • bentheimmigrant

      So, according to this, there are 5, maybe 6 DBs 6’3″ or over:
      http://regressing.deadspin.com/chart-the-height-and-weight-of-every-nfl-player-by-po-1445608274

      So we’ve got Chancellor, Taylor Mays… who are the others? And who on earth is that man-monster CB listed at 6’4″, ~220???

      • bentheimmigrant

        Found it… Brandon Browner.

        • Will

          think he is out of football for a year for something the other Seattle Safety….

  • Will

    Oddly enough Byrd and Ward are both 5’10″ 205…lol…Bernard Pollard 6’1″ 225..

    • GEAGLE

      It’s too early to be seducing me with talk of OL Nardy Nard pollard! Friggin love that guy, don’t care about his limitations, ATleast he ets the tone early and let’s fools know it’s going to be a painful day

      • Will

        A tad bit slow but when that train gets a moving look out gonna be ugly…Lays out player’s with clean hits but talk about blunt force trauma….

        • GEAGLE

          It’s simple for me, if you lay out WRs and separate them from their consciousness in the middle of playoff games, I want you on the eagles….let nard start the season! and let a draft pick ease his way into the lineup replacing Pollard, til we eventually just use pollard as a quasi LB on short yardage situations

        • George

          i’m in

      • NickS1

        “The Patriot Killer”

  • Dominik

    If Byrd gets between 6,2 and 7,5m and we payed Cary Williams 6,416,667 last year – the hell with it, give me a freaking wheelbarrow and I’ll drive to New York.

    • George

      hell yeah, if he’s only getting that, he WILL be an eagle

    • Will

      http://www.eaglescap.com/Players/DimitriPatterson.html that’s what Cary is scheduled to make this year…

      • Dominik

        OK, I went with

        http://eaglescap.com/current.html

        current year, which seems to be next season.

        I don’t care. If you pay Chung 3m, you should pay Byrd up to 20m. ;)

        • Will

          Byrd has stated he wants to be the highest paid Safety…Eric Berry got 6 years for 60 million with 34 million guaranteed…So Byrd would want say 5 years 55 million…dunno about guaranteed $…will see maybe he gives Chip a discount…http://overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Eric%20Berry&Position=S&Team=Chiefs

          • Dominik

            I know, that’s why I love the comment from the agent out of that ESPN link.

            Wanting to be the highest paid safety and be the highest paid safety are two different things.

            Positive for him could be the huge demand for Safeties in this league. And only 2 flawless top tier guys on the market. But let’s wait and see. I’m hoping Howie takes out the checkbook for Ward or Byrd. Don’t want that avarage Safety play again and again. One playmaker can make a huge different.

          • NickS1

            Crazy thing is that’s Berry’s rookie deal. He has an All-Pro or two now and he’s up for a new contract after next year I believe.

          • Will

            Berry signed 2010 under old CBA…

          • NickS1

            Exactly, his rookie deal under old CBA. Forget what pick he was, know it was top 5

          • Will

            #5 you were right…

          • GEAGLE

            Byrd also said that he wants to contend in a big market city…

            We can offer him the best situation…we just probably can’t pay the absurd amount the Raiders throw at him…hoping they target Ward or HITner instead

          • anon

            Forgot about hitner, is there a SF connection with gamble?

          • GEAGLE

            Heard we wanted Goldon last offseason, but were turned off immediately by the price tag,,..

            Whitner was always Nasty against the run, struggled in coverage. last offseason he said he would improve his coverage, and went on to prove it this season..

            Gamble spent years watching Goldson and Whitner, he just spent the year watching Chung and Nate lol, I find it hard to believe Gamble isn’t itching to improve our safeties

            The gamble connection brought us Soap, so we probably can’t rule out a connection with HITner

          • devCal

            “On August 4, 2011, Whitner signed with the San Francisco 49ers. After previously announcing on Twitter that he would be going to the Cincinnati Bengals, he changed his mind and signed with San Francisco. He agreed to a three-year, $11.75 million deal with $4 million guaranteed.”

            why the hell didn’t we try to sign him..?

          • Maggie

            Why should Byrd give the Eagles a discount? Everybody is looking for the next great magical safety to fix all their problems on defense. Aren’t they?

          • Will

            Won’t fix a whole defense but it is a key part of any great Defense….

    • cliff henny

      all about the signing bonus, part that’s being left out. he want 10-12m upfront. he may play for 7m, but add back in the cash, it’s really 9-10m. Byrd is getting PAID!

      • Will

        Do you think the Eagles pony up that kind of cash for one guy?

        • cliff henny

          they have players making that much now. long as Byrd let’s howie play with cap numbers. sure byrd will, if he gets that guarenteed money. people look at the big number, like on Berry’s, 60m, it’s meaningless, it’s the years a guarenteed with signing bonus.

  • GEAGLE

    It’s on,y January and already every day we wake up and talk about Byrd, Chavcellor, Ward, Whitner…..If we spend months drooling over safeties, they better get one!!!

    • Richard Colton

      Spent too much time talking about Byrd. Means we won’t get him. It’s too built up now.

      • cliff henny

        Tag said they are…good enough for me. more interested in what Graham will fetch. 3rd? turn into joyner…one can dream

        • Will

          Rumors we are interested…take it with a grain of Salt…

          • GEAGLE

            Interested in who?

        • NickS1

          Gimme a 4th or 5th for Graham and I’ll be ecstatic. Trade out of first for 2nd and 3rd, trade the extra 4th/5th from Graham and another 5th to get back into the 3rd, have two 2nds, three 3rds, either one 4th and two 5ths or two 4ths and one 5th, plus the 7th…. Just want 5 picks all in rounds 2 and 3, load up on 2WRs, OLB, S, and either OL/DL/CB

          • cliff henny

            sounds good, unless Evans or Barr falls.

          • NickS1

            I’m good with that. Obv a different and somewhat unexpected, yet favorable, scenario should change that.

          • GEAGLE

            Starting to see a lot of mocks with Evans as an eagle

          • Richard Colton

            Nobody’s giving us a third or fourth for Graham. If you’re a GM – you’re thinking – A) He flashed promise as a 4-3 DE one year after a serious injury, but has never been consistent B) Has spent the last year at OLB C) Couldn’t crack the starting lineup even though OLB is a 3 alarm fire position of need for the Birds.

            I know it sucks, but a more likely scenario is we trade our square peg for somebody else’s bust/square peg. Remember the Jon Harris/John Michels trade? Something like that.

          • GEAGLE

            Seattle HORDS DE’s and they have a few who they will lose to FA…Hoping we can ship Graham to a contender like the hawks or broncos

          • Richard Colton

            could happen. not for a mid round pick though. that would be…wow.

          • GEAGLE

            It would prob be a 5th, which is basically a 6th when you are trading with a contender

          • NickS1

            Well, I see you turned the tables and went ahead and ruined my day today. Thanks, Rich. Thanks a ton.

          • Andy124

            You may be overestimating GMs though. I mean, I’ll bet some GM out there scouted Graham in college and loved what they saw. They think he’s been misused in Philly and that he will make them look like a genius if he can steal a 1st round talent for a mere 4th round pick. It only takes one. Hope lives!

          • Hurricane

            ….paging Ryan Grigson….paging Ryan Grigson….

          • Richard Colton

            you sold me

      • Will

        Seems unlikely to me….but you never know till he’s signed…

    • G_WallyHunter

      Are they all free agents? And pollard is a FA too right but he’s a bit of a bonehead.. and might want a lot of $$

      • cliff henny

        already passed on him once. he’ll be on like his 5th team in 6 yrs? he’s too good for teams to be moving on like that, there’s something wrong

        • Will

          Pollard is great run support lacks top end speed can be a coverage liability just like Chung…So in essence you have to pair him with a ball hawk safety like an Ed Reed or Jairus Byrd type player…

          • GEAGLE

            Wolff might have the range to pull it off…

            Here’s my issue..if we don’t sign Ward!Byrd,Whitner, none of the other safeties will be good enough to where we can count on them to start for the next 3 years….if we don’t sign one of those 3 players, we will still have to draft a prototypical safety in the first 3 rounds….but if we spend some money so we no longer have to worry about starting safeties for the next 3 years, we can go into the draft and stick to our BPA….and if we had say Wolff and Whitner, instead of spending a pick on a prototypical safety, we can add Honeybadger hybrid type like Joyner who will see time on the field with Wolff and Whitner/ward/Byrd…
            ….
            If we aren’t signing a top safety, and will go with another Chung type place holder, i would prefer an elite run stuffing, veteran leader like pollard…so once the rookie we will have to spend a pick on is ready to take over, we still have a guy like Pollard for short yardage run stuffing situations…once a guy like Clemons is replaced, what the hell will he bring to the team? He isn’t great at anything…ATleast pollard is great quasi LB against the run, so he can ATleast still have some type of role on our teams..Guys I like cLemons are not elite in coverage and are not elite against the run….ATleast pollard will put some fear in opponents

          • anon

            But we’re already good at stuffing the run. We can’ cover to save our lives. I’d expect next year teams to just throw the ball on us all the time — teams will be gunning for us next year unlike this year.

          • GEAGLE

            Pollard certainly would have helped our Nickle defense not get run over by the saints,…unless we sign Whitner,Ward or Byrd, the safety we sign won’t be the Longterm starter…

            All the other safeties have wharts…if we are signing flawed safeties who aren’t the answer, I would prefer it be a nasty Mofo who will bring Teeth to the defense,..I would LOVE to have Wolff and our Rookie safety see how Pollard plays the game…Intense, and NASTY!

        • G_WallyHunter

          Ya I hope they stay away from him and I think they will.

          • GEAGLE

            No worries, they won’t sign pollard, I just talk about him because I like how he plays…he is a throwback safety..basically I like psycho defenders who Buddy Ryan would have loved

        • GEAGLE

          Who did we pass on? Not Pollard…pollard wasn’t released last year til the day after we signed Chung

          • cliff henny

            true, but he wasnt a shock cut. wasnt philips brought in afterwards. do thing the goal was a philips/allen safety with chung being special teamer. Pollard just doesnt seem like an eagles player in general. heard he’s a clubhouse cancer.

          • GEAGLE

            I heard he was really good for the titans rookies…he was on Justin Hunters ass hard early in the year because they needed Justin to produce,.pollard rode him really hard! and by the end of the season Hunter was producing…

            Fortunately we have Cary here, who will know what kind of Charecter Ravens like Pollard and mount Cody would bring to our team….Cary knows what this secondary is lacking, I would be curious to hear what he thought about adding pollard….

            If memory serves correct, both Chung and pHillips were signed the first day before pollard was cut. I remember Chung and Phillips doing a joint introductory press conference
            …truth be told, the only safeties we could sign and say OK we are set at safety, are the big 3…the others all have limitations,,
            ….
            I’m getting the feeling it will be Antione bathea who I’m not too crazy about

          • cliff henny

            ok. sure you do remember better than me.

          • GEAGLE

            I just would have liked him last year because he signed a one year prove it deal…as opposed to Chung who is the same liability in coverage that pollard is! only Pollard is better against the run….either way a guy like pollard would only be a one or two year stop gap, so not getting him isn’t something to lose sleep over….but if we are going to lineup slop at safety, rather it be my personal favorite slop safety lol

          • cliff henny

            i like pollard too. love watching him knock patriots out. hard to argue pro-chung in any way. just dont think pollard was ever on Eagles radar. guy is a known clubhouse cancer. maybe now, but certainly not in chips 1st yr. maybe why chung got nob, knew he’d be good soldier, good for culture. he just sux

          • GEAGLE

            Sounds about right..

          • theycallmerob

            god no, please no pollard.
            remember what we all said about chung when we signed him? “man, guy can hit.” “boy, if only allen produces….” “just needed a change of scenery” …..then this season happened.
            That would be groundhog day. except now having him reunited with Sconces, a.k.a. he Half Of The Secondary Ozzie Let Walk Out The Door

      • Will

        Won’t really know till March 11th who is a FA…

        • G_WallyHunter

          What you mean? All free agents are known lol, unless they get released march 11th

          • Will

            who gets franchised? I COULD BE WRONG just thought teams could franchise a player if they want…Read that’s the case with T.J.Ward…Byrd got the franchise tag last year I thought…

          • G_WallyHunter

            Right right, ya we’ll get indications of that in next month, but at least its good to know who’s hitting… Byrd won’t get tagged that’s for sure, expensive @$$ tag

          • GEAGLE

            I expect Ward!Byrd and Whitner to all hit the market…but Oakland will overpay for one..

          • Will

            http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2013/8/20/4642286/jairus-byrd-signs-one-year-franchise-tender-with-buffalo-bills

            guess your right he becomes a FA in March…Byrd signed a 1 yr 6.9 million deal last year…maybe the Eagles could do 7-8 mill a yr deal …maybe…

          • G_WallyHunter

            Byrd didn’t sign a deal last year he was tagged, was initially reluctant to sign it, finally did. Now he could get tagged again for 6.9×120%? I think its 120. Or buff could offer him what he wants, or he can go and test market.

          • Will

            Gotcha…thanks think your right about the 120% …that would be 8.28 million…

          • G_WallyHunter

            One thing that I’m unsure of and someone on here could probably clarify, if they slap him with the tag by march 11th, it will mean he either signs it or holds out?
            If they slap him with the tag again he won’t ever hit FA. How’s buffalos cap? Can they afford a 8.3 mil tag hit?
            Time will now tell, I have a feeling buffalo won’t tag him due to the cost, they’ll try and work out a deal, and he decides to test the market. Does buff let him test the market if he doesnt agree to a team friendly deal?? What we will find out, how much the buff braintrust really values him..

    • Tom w

      At this point I would take Clemons as third best available safety .. Still young and won’t break the bank

      • GEAGLE

        Not much an improvement over Nate. If we are going to upgrade the position, do it right! Byrd,Ward,HITNer…

  • G_WallyHunter

    Has anyone seen confirmed reports on Lazor? Because I haven’t and that’s fantastic. Caldwell will hire the QB coach that has coached manning and luck, just go get him already, Jim!

    • GEAGLE

      Yeah, he is officially a Lion

      • G_WallyHunter

        Noooooo

        • jabostick

          Nope. A Dolphin

          • GEAGLE

            Lion….he is caldwells OC

          • jabostick
          • GEAGLE

            Wtf?

          • jabostick

            I dont know. Is he married? Maybe his wife was like “Yeah, I don’t know what a Megatron is. Me and the kids are going to the beach”.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Lmao, either way, no reports he is staying, this sucks

          • theycallmerob

            he saw our posts yesterday, and all the Stafford talk, and after a long night of troubled sleep and waking up in a cold sweat he decided it would be too much.

  • daggolden

    Do Eagle fans think Byrd is a secret? There are PLENTY of teams with ALOT of salary cap space in need of a playmaking safety and im sure will over pay for Bryd. Don’t expect him here in Philly. Someone will throw a boatload of money at him.

    • Will

      yup I don’t see us winning a bidding war unless Byrd wants to play in Philly…on top of that you need two great Safeties not just one…working together back there…

      • Clamdigger

        Um, Byrd and Wolff.

        • Will

          if Wolff’s knee is a go…Byrd/Allen…I don’t care for Allen but he does stay healthy and did improve some what in the new Defense…would be a relatively low cost signing…

          • GEAGLE

            Allen doesn’t play special teams so unless you are ok with letting him be the starting safety the next 4 years, say bye bye to Nate

          • Will

            That’s right hey I’m just trying to figure what the FO might do…

          • Will

            Worried they rely to much on Wolff …hyper extended his knee doc’s say he’s good to go and he sits on the bench says it brothers him and he doesn’t trust his knee…I mean c’mon am I the only one who see’s red flags? It is the Nate Allen nightmare all over again…

          • Ark87

            It is definitely a concern. But I’m more concerned about it from a confidence stand-point rather than toughness. I believe him when he said felt that the injury would affect his play, and that he would hurt his team at anything less than 100%. I think being a rookie has him a bit overly humble. He needs to believe he can help his team, that his team needs him, for being a baller, a leader, and smart player, even when dinged up. Experience can help that, but nothing is certain.

            It could be a mental toughness thing the more I talk about it. It can go either way from here, not giving up on him yet.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I’m not really seeing the flags..kid played an entire season at NC state with a jacked up shoulder….if a player doesn’t trust his knee, it’s going to cost us in a game. I think Wolff was worried about being limited and hurting the team if he played…I honestly didn’t take any issue with the Wolff situation..

          • anon

            he missed half the season off that knee — we’ll see next year.

          • GEAGLE

            And….won’t be the last player to miss time cuz of injuries….it happens, it’s not like he blew his knee out, has to get surgery and we have to worry about him needing a year or two to get back to his pre injury form…..I don’t get what the problem is?the kid didn’t want to hurt his team, he knows his body better then any doctor, so what’s the issue?…today Wolff is walking around, healthy as can be…

        • Will

          Byrd/Clemons….hoping they add at least two from Free Agency…a first tier and a second tier player and a late round in the upcoming draft so we do not have to throw rookies to the wolves back there…. Allen as a 3rd Safety…case one goes down…If not we get eaten alive again via the pass against great QB’s…

          • Richard Colton

            Byrd/Bailey – the Killer Bees.

          • Will

            Bailey? as in Champ? 35 years old…

          • Richard Colton

            Dion. Maybe in the 3rd round, depending on value? Wouldn’t mind seeing them bring in a FA as well as a draft pick to compete with Wolff.

          • Will

            Gotcha not bad…like the name Killer Bees for a great Secondary..lol..Killer Birds…

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah. I’m a sucker for stuff like that. Kinda wish “Legion of Boom” was ours.

          • Will

            you mean Doom…lol…Craig Loston might fall in the draft as well…wonder if they would pull the trigger on a Safety at #22..

          • Richard Colton

            I loved the Legion of Doom when I was a kid. Even though Lindros and LeClair were borderline autistic. I was talking about the nickname for the Seattle secondary – “Legion of BOOM!”

            Haven’t seen much of Loston this year. Why do you like him?

          • Will

            Good Size and speed 3rd rated safety in this draft figure they may go Safety again with second pick,,,maybe he falls to us…http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89449&draftyear=2014&genpos=SS

          • Will

            borderline autistic….lol…

          • EaglefaninAZ

            I know… that was special.

          • Andy124

            Blasphemer! Speak not ill of John LeClair!

          • Will

            lol…it was quite the hockey player …

          • Andy124

            I wanted a LeClair jersey but got a Lindros one instead. :’(

          • theycallmerob

            I went for Brind’amour as a kid….still one of my all time favs.
            And I use to OWN with that team in nhlpa 93 on genesis

          • Richard Colton

            monster on ice. could score 50 goals in his sleep by camping out in the crease. entire team lives in Jersey and his wife henpecks him into moving to PA. wouldn’t socialize with the other players. just a weirdo.

          • Andy124

            *sticks fingers in ears* LALALALALA

          • Maggie

            All this time I thought that Lindros had just been hit on the head too much!

          • theedevilsadvocate

            and i like the legion of doom with animal and hawk. oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh what a rush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • GEAGLE

            I worry that he will weigh in at like 185-190lbs…which doesn’t really do it for me as a round 1 safety. Then again I don’t think it matters because I don’t expect him on the board at 22…

            I feel more comfortable drafting 210lb safeties who already prove that’s can run with serious speed, with 210lbs on their frame……If Dix is only 190lbs, I don’t know what beefing up to 205lbs will do to his speed

          • GEAGLE

            Right!!! Legion of Boom just sounds like a philly defense…sigh

          • cliff henny

            they are, joyner. everyday he gets smaller and smaller as i troll. by draft, he’ll be 4’8 115lbs soaking wet. howie will get him in 5th

          • Richard Colton

            I heard a lot of teams have taken him off their boards completely (just doing my part)

          • Will

            Why? what are his issues? whoa 5’8″…190…:

          • GEAGLE

            Hoping the kid gets arrested lol…Cliff and Rob, you guys should help me frame him for some crime

          • cliff henny

            haha…nothing serious. maybe meet him at airport slide a dime bag of weed into carry-on. hello 5th round!

          • GEAGLE

            Exactly…nothing major..just enough to get the immature label attached to his name

      • Ark87

        Agree on the first part, not necessarily on the second. When one guy is a standout (like Dawk), the other guy can be somewhat ordinary and focus just on doing his job and look pretty good (like Mikkel, who went to the pro bowl in 2008 I think as a first alternative). So yeah, I think a stud safety could team up well with the Wolff/Allen (starter/depth depending on who wins the competition).

        • Will

          I always wonder how guys feel if the guy next to you is getting 8 million a year and the other guy is getting 800 k a year do you still play your heart out? Maybe a rookie hoping for a big payday…

          • anon

            well if you don’t play well you could be making 000 k a year.

        • Will

          Like you said Mikkel did go to the pro bowl and he was a good Safety for us when he was here…but get your point…

          • Ark87

            He was good in 2008, wasn’t the same after Dawk left. Or on the Rams. Was pretty good in Carolina this year though.

          • Will

            Yeah like you said playing with BDawk made all the difference..Now I really want Byrd…

  • Will

    http://nfl.si.com/2013/07/15/jairus-byrd-nfls-highest-paid-safety-buffalo-bills/

    A good read on Jairus Byrd…a little old but lays out his situation…Jairus did sign the 1 year tender the article refers to…

  • dawksdawg

    Big people beat up little people: find a way to draft DT Ra’shede Hageman…that should help DLine pressure which makes it easier for secondary

    • Tom w

      I just want bpa and monsters everywhere … He is a Richard Seymour chandler jones Calais Campbell type … Very well could be bpa there if packers don’t swoop in a pick ahead of us. Looking at him and the two big wrs at 22

      • Will

        Evans and Benjimin I take it for WR’s?

      • GEAGLE

        Barr
        Shede
        Evans
        Benjamin..

        Just draft the most freak athlete at his position and let the coaches worry about turning him into a football player…Shede certainly works for me…last year everyone wanted Gamecocks Devin Taylor to be the next Caleus Cambell, but he is just NOT….now Shede, that kid can really be the next Caleus Cambell….can’t wait to see shades combine

  • Andy

    I think they probably will be comfortable going into training camp expecting Barkley to be the back-up but bringing in a couple of more experienced guys to take reps and in case he falters. Foles was a second year player this year. I think Barkley is ready to hold the clipboard this year with a full off season and preseason of preparation.

  • NickS1

    Just got a Team Stream update that Lazor didn’t read the Deadspin report about the dysfunction in Miami and took that OC position. This is crap.

    • R. Colton’s Wine Glass

      As long as Gamble stays, Dick and I are happy.

    • cliff henny

      qb coach to OC in a year…every young hotshot coach will be lining up to take over. kelly will find a good guy, he found lazor. mean, who the heck was lazor before he mey kelly, foles and 29/2?

    • GEAGLE

      Radio reported it was the lions

      • anon

        It’s official with dolphins. I suspect he saw that matt stafford quote and changed his mind last night.

        • GEAGLE

          Lol….have fun with Philbin and Tannahill idiot!
          .
          I can understand leaving to go work with Stafford and megatron, but leaving for Miami is a joke. He is a bright young mind, what’s the rush to leave? As if he won’t get offers next season….like how the hell did we lose him to Miami? Lol don’t let the door hit you on the way out

          • anon

            He was a college OC before he probably wants the cash. Plus there are good weaopns in miami, wallace, mathews, givens, hartline.

          • GEAGLE

            If I’m Miami I kick Philbin to the curb and just make Lazor the HC

          • R. Colton’s Wine Glass

            $.

    • theycallmerob

      He’ll leave eventually as a HC, maybe even at the college level. Could be good career stepping stone for him. I mean, it’s not like he is putting up with that owner/gm/coach shit to the same level as the HC

  • anon

    Anyone know if Carolina plays 34/43? Greg Hardy (15 sack DE) is about to get dropped by Carolina.

    • Ark87

      I listen to Bill Barnwell and Robert Mayes’ Podcast on Grantland, they love the guy, Mayes thinks he’s more valuable than Kuechley. He’s a 4-3 DE, but one of the things they love about him is how good he is against the run. Sorta like Trent Cole in his prime. Neither is wild about him possibly going to a 3-4, but both agree he would be better suited as a 3-4 DE rather than an OLB.

      Panthers are a weird team. They came out of nowhere so you would feel like they’re an ascending team. The problem is they have a ton of young talent needing to get paid, and a bunch of money tied up in old mediocre players that they can’t get out of. Going to be some talent coming off that team.

      • anon

        I’d be fine putting him on the line, i don’t love moving guys from DE to OLB anyway. He’ll get paid to go to a nice 43 team.

        • Ark87

          agreed

      • theycallmerob

        this article, aside from the headline, actually has some good quotes from the GM down there (seems like a smart guy):

        http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10293367/cam-newton-proved-carolina-panthers-franchise-quarterback-gm-says

        Gettleman took over a team last season that was more than $16 million over the salary cap. Through cuts and contract renegotiations, the Panthers are now more than $17 million under the cap. Still, Gettleman said the cap remains a problem and will be through 2015.

        He’ll spend the next month evaluating and deciding how to move forward with the 21 players who will become unrestricted free agents. Eight of those are starters, including defensive endGreg Hardy and left tackle Jordan Gross.

  • theycallmerob

    While we’re here talking measurables, he are a few fits (particularly late rd. guys):

    **A few notes from the scouts at the east-west shrine game; practices started monday
    CB Pierre Desir, Lindenwood (6-1, 205, 4.56)
    A tall, long athlete, Desir has an interesting background and he can flat out play. And it will be interesting to see him matched up against FBS talents throughout the week. A native of Haiti, Desir started his collegiate career at Washburn before transferring to Lindenwood and he now has his sights on the NFL. {rob’s note: Washburn is the school Sconces played at, too….yay for geagle}

    DT Justin Ellis, Louisiana Tech (6-2, 357, 5.34)
    A load to handle, Ellis has a large body with a wide frame, using his size and momentum to surge through the offensive line and disrupt the backfield. He needs to show he is more than just a bull rusher, but his nonstop motor, ferocious demeanor and much improved ball awareness are impressive.

    **notes from Brugler: “Entering the week, my top defensive tackle prospect participating this week was Louisiana Tech DT Justin Ellis (6-2, 351) and he hasn’t disappointed so far. He used his active hands and quick feet to beat blockers during drills, putting spin moves on Oklahoma’s Gabe Ikard and also steamrolling him on a few occasions. To no surprise, Ellis weighed in as the heaviest prospect here at 351 pounds and he uses that girth well to bully blockers and surge through
    the line of scrimmage.

    **While he’s not as polished as Ellis or Marsh, Bloomsburg DE Larry Webster (6-6, 249) has an athletic and intriguing skill-set that is tough to ignore. He displayed excellent quickness, natural bend and the flexibility to play in space and win with speed off the edge. Webster, who starred for four years on the basketball court in college, needs to get stronger and add meat to his lean, lanky body type, but I expect Webster to essentially take a “redshirt” year as a rookie to take advantage of a NFL weight room and pro coaching. His future in the league is likely at linebacker or maybe even tight end, but regardless, he has exciting potential. {rob’s note: after seeing both Jason Peters and LJ go from TE to OL, I’d love to see this guy go from DL to TE! Also, potential OLB freak}

    • GEAGLE

      I hear Pierre’s name often associated with us…who knows if there is anything to it….Cary Williams went to washburn

      • Uncle Wonder

        One note on Desir…he isnt exactly a spring chicken…will be 24 by the start of the season…that has to be a viewed as a negative. probably wont get much better than what he already is

        • GEAGLE

          Yikes…old head

          • Andy124

            Does he want to be a fireman?

        • theycallmerob

          At least it’s not a 28 yr old 1st rd pick. At best, I’d imagine Desir goes in the late 4th, more likely 5th because of age. At that point, you’re basically taking fliers on guys anyway. SJB’s name comes up a lot around these parts, but being from a bigger school may get him drafted before we ever get the chance. Desir to me seems like a guy to keep an eye on.

  • GEAGLE

    Funny how all the new mocks are starting to give us Barr at 22…

    Walterfootball must be trying to get on my good side lol:
    1) Kony Ealy
    2) Dion Bailey
    3) Terrence Mitchell CB Oregon…Cliff, he had your boy Landry drafted two spots after Mitchell..
    ….
    If we come away with:
    Mack/Ealy/Barr in round 1
    Dion Bailey in round 2
    And Landry on Moncrief in 3, both were on board after we took Mitchell…
    ..
    A draft like that would make me soooo happy

    • Andy124

      Think Baily is physical enough for a 2nd round pick? Just read his scouting report and it SCREAMED Nate Allen to me.

      • GEAGLE

        I keep getting the feeling that Calvin Pryor will be the best safety from this draft three years from now, even better then haha Dix….

        Baily isn’t a big ferocious hitter, similar to Nate. I do think we want that centerfielder cover safety more then someone who lays the hammer,,,Stylistically, Nate seems like what we want, he just didn’t develop well enough in coverage! still letting guys get behind him! not making enough plays……I’m skeptical of USC guys to begin with…
        ..
        Can’t say I have Baily as one of the top 3 safeties I covet, but I haven’t watched enough of him yet, to offer a real oppinion of him…

    • cliff henny

      i’ll have issues if they pass him up in 2nd unless one of the big boys was taken in 1st or 2nd. to pass again in 3rd, will lose it.
      .
      no way…NO WAY is kelly going defense 1,2,3…he’s offensive coach

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah i can’t see Chip ignoring offense til round 4 either….hoping like 3CBs run a blazing combine and climb there way into 11-17 range, helping to push a BALLER down to 22, I’m not down with drafting round 1 CBs unless we are trading back to the end of rd 1…I don’t think there is a CB in this draft that will be a better prospect then Desmond Trufant

      • Andy124

        Jordan Matthews is a guy I don’t think we’ve mentioned more than once. He’s got good height at 6’3″ and he might fall quite a bit on draft day because he’s not likely to light up the combine. But he’s just a good football player.

        If we’re looking to go big in the slot, he coud wind up as a steal.

        • GEAGLE

          I like the kid..I like him more if he fell to us in round 2..don’t see him as a special enough athlete to draft in round 1, but I do like him, then again I like 20 WRs in this draft…

          a Doubt we have a shot at Allen Robinson,mcant see him getting past the Texans at the begginning of round 2

          • Andy124

            Yeah, definitely meant falling to us in round 2 (rnd 3 might not be likely, but would be sweet). I would be worried if we drafted him in the first.

          • GEAGLE

            Right now he is getting a lot of play in the mock community around 25-40 range….it’s all BS right now anyway, especially for positions so reliant on speed like CB/WR
            ..
            Every year their are guys we thought of as really fast WR, on,y to find out their speed is average at the combine…

            So many WRs with talent this year! the only two Right now that I’m comfortable saying will definitely be first round picks are Evans and Sammy…I expect ATleast 5WRs drafted in round 1, just not sure who they will be yet…

            I gotta stop driving myself crazy with this draft stuff til the combine….going to switch gears and start looking at FAs

  • Andy124

    Question for the masses:

    Which would be the bigger loss; Gamble or Lazor?

    • GEAGLE

      Gamble

    • theycallmerob
      • Andy124

        I mean hypothetically. Basically, we’ve lost Lazor and kept Gamble. Would anyone reverse that if they could?

        • theycallmerob

          nope. we need more young talent (via draft) than consistency at QB coach. not to understate any of the work done by Lazor nor his capabilities, but the offense is Chip’s. Foles just has to execute it. Any good QB coach worth his salt can help develop the aspects Foles needs the most- film breakdown, arm mechanics, field awareness, internal clock

          • GEAGLE

            Heard FOles will put a lot of emphasis this summer into improving his footwork, and athleticism

          • theycallmerob

            yea, but I’d imagine that’s more the strength and conditioning side of things. QB coach shouldn’t focus on that too much, aside from the steps within the drop/pocket awareness. His comments were more about getting quicker and faster

          • GEAGLE

            Agreed..I heard dancing classes! and Ashtanga Yoga with his mom are in this summers plans…I’m actually a fan of Astanga Yoga, which is the yoga you do in a 100 degree room. Like Yoga in a Sauna..Tre Thomas used to come to my ju jitsu studio to do Yoga

        • GEAGLE

          Heck No…lazor was in charge of one player. Gamble is in charge of stacking the roster with talent…much rather lose Lazor

          • Andy124

            Totally agree with both of you about Gamble > Lazor.

  • GEAGLE

    I wonder how fast shed Hagemen Is…used to play TE…I wonder what type of 6’7 OLB he would be if he lost 25lbs and got down to 275lbs?
    ..
    Although Shede and Vinny would form a nasty second string DE tandem, but then I don’t know what would happen with Kruger???Shede has the long Benny Logan arms, I could see us draft Shede, and turn him into a NT…love to have them long arms right in a QBs face up the middle

  • GEAGLE

    If VT QB Logan Thomas doesn’t climb into round 2, I could see us liking him if he were to fall to round 4, but I will lose it if we go QB in the top100

    • Andy124

      Y’all know my feelings on Logan by now. The kid is not a good passer of the football. At all.

      • GEAGLE

        Agreed,..but I could see someone liking him as a developmental guy, which is why I’m not down with taking him in the top 100…I would prefer not drafting any QBs this year…
        “…
        Starting to think Blake BOrtles goes number 1 to the texans

        • Andy124

          Kinne is a better prospect.

          • GEAGLE

            Special teams prospect lol jk

        • Andy124

          BOrtles. LOve it! What a meteoric rise that WOuld be.

          • GEAGLE

            I have a feeling he is going number 1 to the texans

    • cliff henny

      rd2, 4th? think he’s listed as a 7th.

      • GEAGLE

        That’s innacurate…he will go 2-5′when it’s all said and done..someone will try to develop a big kid with a cannon..then again, i don’t see how we can draft a QB unless we are certain Barkley can backup Nick this year…how much better was Brock Osweiler?

        • cliff henny

          you watch Vatech…couple games, quarters really, it was painful. he really regressed from freshman year. maybe 5th, will need complete overhauling.
          .
          enough draft assets on qbs, this point, kelly’s got his guys. he’s made his bed.

          • GEAGLE

            I want no parts of spending picks on a QB this year…want a QB to develop? Sign an Undrafted one!!!!!

          • cliff henny

            price kid out of washington looks decent for 7th. who are we kidding, who’s the smartest slowest whitest of the white qbs having mediocre arm, and coming off knee injury…that’s kelly’s guy

          • GEAGLE

            Do we even have a 7th? I know we traded away our 6th in the soap trade…not sure if we have our 7th or not

          • theycallmerob

            yes

          • cliff henny

            yup, 1

  • Weapon Y

    I’ll admit I didn’t watch many Bills games this year so I don’t know how Jairus Byrd looked. If he is getting closer to 30, injury prone, and has seen an even a slight dip in his performance, the Eagles should avoid him like the plague. BUT if he still looked really good, give him the money. The Eagles absolutely have to sign at least one starting-caliber safety this offseason. Don’t worry too much about money. Vick will be gone after this year, and veterans like Herremans, Cole, Cary Williams, and DeMeco Ryans will be phased out in 1-2 more years. Roseman is very good at manipulating the cap numbers, so paying high for one guy shouldn’t be a big issue. I’d still draft another safety in the first 3 rounds to compete with Wolff and Allen (who I’d resign only to a reasonable deal).

    • GEAGLE

      I don’t understand what we would do with a safety, that isn’t signed to be our starter for the next 3 years…we can talk about signing Nate, Pollard,Clemons types, but those guys aren’t good enough to keep us from drafting a safety high, and when the safety we draft is ready to start, wtf would we do with the veteran we signed? When guys like Nate and pollard go to the bench,they won’t contribute on ST, which complicates things when you see how much ST emphasis was put on who makes the roster as a backup…

      We are top 5 in most cap space, we carried over a big chunk of money from last year…now that it’s time to improve our team, we are acting as if we are the cheap ass buffalo Bills who just lose their best players in FA every year…
      .,
      Our cap is too healthy to make me ok with losing important veterans, and go bargain shopping for safeties again
      ..
      As cheap and grimy as banner was! he still was able to land some big name free agents that worked out for us like Kearse,Runyan,Assante…I like Howie “batting average” approach to FA, but I do not agree with just staying away from Big name guys…not every guy you pay a ton of money to, sucks….

      We have coaches and veteran players who are familiar with many guys on the market..for example, If Billy Davis and Chip think that Ward or Byrd LIVE to EXCEL at football, since we already know them well, why would be afraid to pay them?

    • GEAGLE

      I think his injuries were Bogus, or at the very least he milked longer then he was hurt because he didn’t want to play without an extension..

      Bills were actually a fun defense to watch, then again, I go gaga over Kiko Alonso…Can’t believe I thought we could have gotten him in round 4 lol, not my best prediction, since he came off the board early in round 2…I love that psychotic space cadet!

  • GEAGLE

    If Mel Kiper don’t shut up about JohnnynFootball I’m going to hunt him down and choke him…sorry Mel, but QBs the size of a piss ant don’t get drafted number 1 overall buddy, and he damn sure won’t get drafted by Bill Obrien…BOrtles or Clowney are going number 1

    • cliff henny

      Bridgewater looked like real deal in bowl game. be tough to pass him up. just been nitpicked for 12 months while bortles came onto seen late.
      .
      who’d kiper have eagles taking?

      • GEAGLE

        Didn’t see his mock…just heard him talk about who he feels are the top 10 prospects, and who is the real Talent that will fall outside the top 10..obviously he listed Evans…if Evans can get passed that row of WR desperation: steelers,Jets,ravens! we could have a real shot at him! because GB ain’t drafting him, and I expect the cardinals to draft Derrick Carr or the best OT left..wtf would we do if Barr and Evans are both on the board when we pick? I would not want to have to make that decision…somethin bout Teddy always rubbed me the wrong way, but I do think he has a chance to be a good NFL QB, I just would never take him 1st overall…QB is all about your brain and intangibles, I don’t know how I feel about teddy

        • cliff henny

          well, evans will fall to 2nd. i might have to drive up, swing by an emergency room and steal a dead hooker, roll her in crack and stuff her in trunk of his car, but that’s what real fans do.

          • GEAGLE

            Call me, I’m always down to help the cause!!!

            This might surprise you coming from me, but I think I would have to pass on Barr for Evans…while I trust coach McGovern developing Barr, I think he has more bust potential then Evans…Coop who lacks speed, proved effective in this offense, so even if Evans runs slower then expected, he isn’t going to stop out jumping DBs and coming down with those Jump balls, and he isn’t going to stop catching screens and stif arming DBs into the dirt…

            Just think Evans makes us a really dangerous Offense:
            Evans and Coop lined up out wide(1 on each side), big Boy Ertz in the slot, with Desean Ghost motion(that’s for you Colton lol) all over the formation making sure defenders know where he is, or same formation with Desean and Shady lined up in the backfield…someone will have to be covered by a LB who we can isolate in space and exploit with any of those weapons. Send Desean and Shady on wheel routes at the same time, one to each side…odds are one will be open
            ..,
            When you have an accurate pocket passer who already spreads the ball around,guys like Evans become really valuable

  • Honest_T

    If we go with the same model as last year, the Birds will add mid-to-high level talent at positions of need (safety, LB, WR) in free agency, so they can go best player available in the draft. This includes resigning our own players who have expiring contracts.

    Also, I know everyone likes the idea of signing Maclin to a 1 year “prove-it” deal but I think it’s stupid. If you want him, lock him up long term at a discount. If you aren’t willing to invest in him long term, let him walk and invest the time and coaching effort getting a rookie or practice squad guy up to speed.

  • Maggie

    Someone mentioned Foles taking dance lessons. Other pro athletes have done it. Dancers develop incredible body control and agility, both valuable assets.

  • BlockingBack

    Charger’s D.J. Fluker and Giant’s Justin Pugh tabbed as starting tackles for the Pro Football Writers of America’s 2013 All-Rookie team. What happened to the first 3 players drafted? And who among these 5, if any, will ever be all-pro?

  • Marilyn Monbroe

    I’m more concerned about pass rush than safety. We can’t get consistent pressure without blitzing. A dynamic pass rush can take pressure off of the whole secondary.