Wake-Up Call: Weather Will Affect Brees, Says Jaws

NFL: Tampa Bay Buccaneers at New Orleans Saints

Even when a quarterback has made the Pro Bowl eight times, won a title and thrown 363 career touchdowns, we find a way to point out flaws.

It’s the nature of the position.




Which brings us to future Hall of Famer Drew Brees, the veteran QB who will arrive at the Linc this weekend on a mission to end the Eagles' season.

Brees just finished a regular season in which he completed 68.6 percent of his passes for 5,162 yards, 39 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. But the Eagles have something working in their favor, says ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski.

"There's a discernible difference in Drew Brees' ball indoors and outdoors," Jaworski told Mike Missanelli of 97.5 The Fanatic on Monday. "If this game was in New Orleans, this would really be a tough football game for the Philadelphia Eagles to win. But it's at home. It's at Lincoln Financial Field. It's going to be cold. It's likely to be windy. It's gonna be a raucous crowd.

"Drew Brees struggles in tough, inclement weather. He doesn't have a gun. He doesn't have an Aaron Rodgers kind of an arm, a Matthew Stafford kind of arm. His ball doesn't spin as much. There's more surface for the wind to hit the ball and move the football."

The Saints are 3-5 on the road this season and 8-0 at home. But the numbers indicate Brees' numbers are more affected by whether he's playing indoors or outdoors than whether he's simply playing away from New Orleans.

 
Comp. %
YPA
TDs
INTs
Rating
Indoors72.8%8.77305119.0
Outdoors62.0%6.629781.7

Outdoors, Brees is completing 62.0 percent of his passes and averaging 6.62 yards per attempt. As a point of reference, those numbers would rank 14th and 28th overall. He's thrown nine touchdowns against seven interceptions outdoors this season and has a passer rating of 81.7.

"He doesn't throw that real tight-spinning spiral, so the wind's going to affect that kind of ball," Jaworski said. "And also moves the ball so when the ball moves, receivers don't catch it cleanly. The two games I did on the road for the New Orleans Saints, they struggled in the passing game."

As always, we must caution about sample sizes. For example, last year there was virtually no difference in Brees' numbers indoors (62.4%, 7.76 YPA, 96.6 rating) vs. outdoors (63.9%, 7.68 YPA, 95.9 rating).

Chip Kelly said Monday he's paying no mind to the weather talk. But given Brees' numbers this year, the Eagles' head coach probably doesn't mind that the forecast currently calls for a low of around 22 degrees Saturday night in Philadelphia.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Three highlights from Kelly's Monday media session, including the head coach bringing up the Eagles' NFC championship game loss vs. the Bucs.

A position-by-position game review of the Eagles' offense vs. Dallas.

McManus takes a look at how Brandon Boykin ruined Jerry Jones' day.

Eagles-Cowboys, the day after with 10 things to know about the Saints, game balls, No-22 and more.

Nick Foles can finally put the first Dallas game behind him, writes Tim.

Different perspectives on Kelly's first season - a success at 10-6 with an NFC East title in hand.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Dan Graziano of ESPN.com names LeSean McCoy his "Other than Manning" Offensive Player Of the Year:

The day McCoy first met Chip Kelly has a chance to go down in universal history. In terms of long-term gravity and significance, it could be a lot like the day Obi-Wan Kenobi stumbled across young Anakin Skywalker in a junk store on Tatooine. Ideally, this arrangement won't blow up into some spectacularly bloody intergalactic struggle between good and evil involving gargantuan spherical battle stations capable of destroying entire planets. But, given the way Kelly's and McCoy's first year together has gone so far, you really can't rule it out. The 2013 NFL rushing champion is the player of Kelly's dreams, and those dreams are all about yards and points.

Peter King of The MMQB says the Eagles will be a tough out:

Chip Kelly copped the NFC East in his inaugural NFL coaching season. Closer than anyone thought (Philly 24, Dallas 22), but the last team into the playoffs finished the season on a 7-1 run. The Eagles will be a tough out, and as long as Kelly coaches them, they’ll be in a lot of big Week 17 games.

COMING UP

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  • nicksaenz1

    Given the accuracy with which Jaws predicted how Chip’s offense would work in the NFL, I’m no longer holding out any hope that the weather affects Brees’ play. Thanks, Jaws.

    • Philonious

      Yes, I agree. How can we trust anything Jaws has to say. He was completely wrong about Chip’s offense. He sold his credibility down the river for an early-season headline.

      • morgan c

        Okay but guys, to be fair, he did change course and admit he was wrong when the Eagles started winning. Yes, he claimed it wouldn’t work, but he also was humble enough to change course and admit that there were some wrinkles he didn’t see coming. He’s definitely started to give Chip and his Birds their due…

        • GEAGLE

          Jaws is pretty much worthless
          ..
          Adam Caplan, Cossel…much more reliable. They aren’t biased against us, but they aren’t eagles cheerleaders like Spadaro

    • UKEagle99

      But we are supposed to have forgotten about that!

    • DanFromDelcoo

      Well, to be fair, one was a prediction based on no sample (Chip Kelly offense) in the NFL and the other is an observation of what has already happened.

      • Media Mike

        People should have simple looked to New England to see how Chip Kelly type systems get adapted to the NFL for adults. The combination of Kelly and Shurmur (thank you Banner!) has been awesome.

        • DanFromDelcoo

          That is true. But what he says about Brees is still based on what he has observed and not speculative as any prediction on Kelly running an offense in the NFL was necessarily.

          • nicksaenz1

            Very good point, but it’s not like this is the only thing he’s whiffed on, speculation or observation. The guy is just a blowhard, which was what I was getting at. I just don’t think an article about whether or not Brees will succeed outdoors based on what Jaws says is worthwhile. Should have stated that better.

          • Eagles4Life

            It is somewhat true, though. Freezing temps and Brees haven’t been all too good. Folks get on Peyton, but Brees has been in the same category.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Let’s hope he gets affected badly Saturday.
            We can all be happy this was the ideal matchup for Eagles as of a week or two ago.
            Banged up secondary, dome team, I’ll take that any day.

          • GEAGLE

            Not just the cold…some say the NOISE affects their huddle and communication at the LOS and they don’t handle it well…See when they went to Seattle…I don’t believe it was that cold, but the noise really got to them…Howie believes noise can effect them….if noise AND the cold effects them, we will be in good shape…..but there isn’t a team in the playoffs that I don’t think we can beat if we bring our A game….
            ….
            When you look at points scored and points allowed…we are one of the more well rounded teams in the playoffs, and that should bode well for us..

            Look at Denver, their offense is up there with us, but without Von Miller and a hobbled Champ bailey! they don’t have the defense that we have, and because of the youth and newness of the scheme, no teams are improving as the weeks go by more then us…

            look at Carolina..their defense is up there with ours in terms of points allowed! but their offense isn’t capable of hanging 40 in the playoffs…

            When you factor both offense and defense, we have as good a chance as anyone..it’s just going to depend if we can overcome the lack of experience…playing a Do or Die, gritty War against Dallas should help..

            It’s all about the Turnovers…if we commit 1 or less, we are tough to beat!!

            The ON!Y teams I DONT want to face in the playoffs, are teams that already faced us this year: chargers KC,Denver,Green Bay…..I think teams that face us for the first time will struggle stopping us. You can watch all the film you want, but you need to experience our track meet offense before you can really understand it…

          • G_WallyHunter

            Well re-stated!
            completely agreed, he’s like a Florio or Prisco (maybe a little more knowledgeable), only difference is he used to wear Kelly green

      • theycallmerob

        eh, not quite….as Sheil noted, it’s a small sample size. Doesn’t necessarily extrapolate to his career.
        And as Chip said, TB had never won in cold either, before……

        Eagles, not mother nature, have to win this game

    • DirtyWaters

      He flip flopped his view after Week 1. Which means next week Drew Bees throws the best outdoor ball ever. He watches every throw, you know.

    • G_WallyHunter

      came to say something along these lines.
      Jaws has 0 credit after declaring that CK’s spread offense “just wouldn’t work” at the pro level. Although Dan has a good point below, speculative on future as opposed to observing the past.

      • Media Mike

        Jaws made the same mistake a lot of other folks in the media (and the idiot Vick supporters) did; an assumption that the QB would need to run a lot.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Ya, that along with his passing concepts “not working” at this level.

    • Will

      Jaws should stick to Arena football…Jaws thought Chip’s offense would fail…Jaws is not very good at being an annalist period…Brees and the Saints will be a serious test. This upcoming game is huge and our LB’s and Safeties will be tested. Our secondary performance is what is relevant about this upcoming game Saturday not so much the weather… Saints weakness on D is run Defense. The Saints have a rookie Tackle that the Eagles should exploit in there pass rush to get to Brees. To slow down the Saints offense we must get to Brees in our pass rush. The Eagles need an early lead so they can rely on Shady( McCoy needs 25-30 touches this game) and stuff the football down the Saints throats… Foles needs to be on Fire this week, our receivers need to get open and our O-Line has got to be able to give Foles time in the pocket…

      • Maggie

        In all fairness, every talking head on any sports channel openly stated the same opinion last summer. They were all wrong, but not all will admit it. As for this game, please, please O line, make your blocking assignments! If necessary, SHAVE! Of course RBs and TEs must block consistently better when called upon as well. Give Nick time to take a breath before he is draped with defensive tackles, receivers run your routes and the Eagles secondary will be less of a concern. Fly like an Eagle…!

    • Always Hopeful

      Jaws is family, but he’s gone over to the sensational dark side…especially with his voice inflections and all…dang Jaws :-(

  • eagle fan dwn south

    I was thinking the weather would be a factor as well and since the saints only have really one WR that they go up top to so Jimmy Graham will get the defense rolled his way all game double team his ass 3/4 of the game so if we keep him in check bring on Car

    • Media Mike

      Did you happen to see Gary Cobb’s comment about putting Barwin on Graham? Barwin has the necessary height to match up with Graham on underneath routes and jump balls. Plus, you simply don’t know down passes from Drew Brees. Barwin will be key in this game.
      And I really miss Carlos Emmons for covering TEs!

      • eagle fan dwn south

        No I didn’t but where did you read that at but IMO Barwin don’t have the speed to keep up with Graham at least angry bird Kendricks do just to short

        • Media Mike

          I think you’d blitz Kendricks more and hi/low Graham with Barwin and a safety. The other safety (HOPEFULLY NOT CHUNG!) you keep over the top for the off chance that 9 route Meechum gets deep.

          • Rambler

            Chung and Coleman need to hi/low the bench.

        • Media Mike

          Cobb tweeted it.

          • eagle fan dwn south

            Thanks for the info

          • Media Mike

            You’re welcome. Twitter is the shiz-nit!~

          • eagle fan dwn south

            I have a account but don’t know a lot about it i guess because my question never get a response so I don’t use it a lot

        • Joe from Easton

          I looked into this for gigs because the more I watch Barwin the more I think he’s an athletic freak. Check out these combine results…

          Graham:
          Ht / Wt – 6’6″ / 260 / 35″ Arms
          40 yd – 4.56 Sec
          Vert – 38.5″
          Broad Jump – 120″
          3 Cone – 6.9 Sec

          Barwin:
          Ht / Wt – 6’5″ / 256 / Arms length not available
          40 yd – 4.66 Sec
          Vert – 41″
          Broad Jump – 128″
          3 Cone – 6.87 Sec

          He’s pretty damn similar to Jimmy athletically and he played tight end at Cincinatti before he switched to D-End as well as being an accomplished basketball player in highschool.

          If they hi – lo graham with barwin and a safety, I think they can really limit him.

          • Joe from Easton

            p.s. I found a few things that point to Barwin’s arms being around 33.5″…

          • eagle fan dwn south

            Damn I been selling Barwin short but he don’t look quick especially in tight spaces but he do get the job more offen than not

          • Joe from Easton

            I think he doesn’t look quick, especially in tight spaces, because he’s so long. He doesn’t need to take quick steps to cover ground in a 3 square yard box, he just needs to take one step. That sub seven second cone drill tells you what you need to know about him in tight spaces. He played bball for U of Cinci too.

          • GEAGLE

            Barwin wan fantastic at the combine…Barwin and Kendrick will be responsible for Graham, but they wil
            Get over the top safety help….Barwin is SOOO good at so many different aspects of the game..we couldn’t ask for a better JACK!! He has almost batted down 1 pass per game, and to step up and do it on 4th down late in a game with our playoff dreams on the line was just big time…wait til guys see how much better Barwin and Kendrick will look in year two of this scheme
            ..
            Cowboys got exactly What every coach wants, a running back catching the ball in space, with only a big LB to beat, yet Murray couldn’t shake loose of Barwin! that was an EXCELLENT open field tackle that not a lot of LBs would make…

            Kendrick was a beast last week, and the past 5 games…he got low enough to get leverage on Murray, stuck his helmet on the ball and forced Demarco Murray to fumble the ball forthe first time this year…FOles fumbles in our redzone..first down, Dallas throws a 3 yard out to Witten, Kendricks gets their throws Witten out of bounds not giving up any YAC…that was a CRUCIAL play that was huge I holding the, to 3….how about the play were Kendrick looked like a torpedo, flying to the left side of the he field to destroy Mury y for no gain…Kendrick will be a special player and this time next year everyone will forget about Lavonte Dave, Bobby Wagner and Vontaze burfict

  • Media Mike

    The Saints are a really good football team, but I like having this game in our place. So excited to be watching / gathering for playoff football with a real rooting interest!

  • DirtyWaters

    Maybe his road record is more a function of who he played not the weather considering his numbers from last year. Have we seem his lifetime outdoor stats?

    • Media Mike

      I seem to remember an outdoor playoff game vs. a 7-9 team that the Saints couldn’t win. And we’re 10-6 with a better running back!

    • cliff henny

      also, consider he gets atl dome and 2 possible road games late in season in very mild cities, TB/CHA. loving taking warm weather dome turf qb and dropping him in cold. trust me, 20 degrees to NO will feel like artic. i start complaining in the 50’s.

      • nicksaenz1

        I start complaining in the high 30s. Luckily for our team, they’ve played a few December games that were either freezing (CHI) or in terrible weather (DET). A nice little warmup (or coldup, if you will) to what Saturday’s game will be like. Use the off balanced lines and 2 TE sets to pound the ball and set up play action. I feel like this is one of those games where if we have a lead, simply trying to run out the clock won’t work. Need to step on throats if we get in that position.

        • Pete

          I think the temp for the Chicago game was either in the 50s or low 60s

          • nicksaenz1

            Yup, I stand corrected. Only one game in December, then.

        • GEAGLE

          When it’s cold, the team with a better run game has an advantage….E-a-g-l-e-s

    • GEAGLE

      They struggled at Tampa, you know, the stadium that Saint Nick OWNS!

    • theycallmerob

      http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17244718

      apparently only 3 of those were under 30 deg.

      • DirtyWaters

        Wow. Nice. Did you see the crazy drop off under 30?

        • Eagles4Life

          I see it. And I hope history repeats itself.

        • theycallmerob

          Too small a sample size to draw a conclusion from. And really it doesn’t matter if he gets as much time in the pocket as Orton did.

          I know there’s a site that has a split for weather, I used it for Stafford before the DET game, but can’t find it now.

          If I was a gambling man, I’d say it’s a safe bet to assume NO gets 25. Therefore, we need >25.

          Nick isn’t a sure bet himself in the cold

          • jabostick

            I agree. And I think the weather stuff is overblown anyway. Unless its REALLY cold or REALLY windy, Brees can deal. He’s pretty adept at putting together a drive of nothing but short-mid range stuff.

            I’ll put my money on whoever has the better o-line play, regardless of whether

          • jabostick

            Having said that, looks like Eagles are practicing outside today. At least they have the option to get acclimated before game time

          • Maggie

            I agree. After all, Brees did a commercial where he takes his meds so he can play in bad weather. Wonder if those “meds’ work in real life?

          • DirtyWaters

            73.6% of all statistics are made up…you’re absolutely right, too small a sample size for either QB. Don’t think the cold will hurt though.

          • theycallmerob

            I’d rather not think of it as a limiting effect (since it will alter both passing games, not just the QBs themselves).
            Rather, traditional logic would imply that the running games will carry a heavier load. In that respect, the cold absolutely helps us. If we have to play an up-tempo run all day in cold, dry air the NO defense will be devastated by the 3rd qtr. And I’ll take our run D all day, too.

  • cliff henny

    outdoors in Jan, going to be so happy Eagles are a running team. shadt/BB combine for 40+ carries 250+ yards.

    • Media Mike

      Hopefully we get a Polk TD where he runs over that OSU trash Jenkins and the Texas trash Vaccaro!

      • cliff henny

        dont have to worry about Vaccaro, broken ankle, i believe…something’s broken, know that

        • Media Mike

          Hymen?

          • cliff henny

            better hope token doesnt see that. that’s his mancrush.

          • Media Mike

            Ugggghhh, why? I’m an Eric Reid guy.

          • cliff henny

            i’m an anyone but chung/allen guy

          • Media Mike

            Allen had been playing better, but his non-tackle of garbage Escobar had me livid the other night.

          • cliff henny

            just dont understand the re-signing him talk. both safeties need upgrading. hopefully one is in-house with wolff.

          • Media Mike

            I’d bring Allen back on a deal commensurate with what a 3rd safety gets paid. Think the safety version of Avant’s current deal. And I agree with needing an upgrade. I’m not sure who we can get with the 29th pick however.

          • cliff henny

            someone will give him starters money. safety play is just that bad in nfl. plus, 3rd safety needs to be special teamer, not sure i’ve ever seen allen do that. i’ll be ok with howie spending extra couple bucks to get ward/clemmons or byrd in town, not allen. glad he played better, just showed me dc and his staff know what they are doing.
            .
            and wasnt eric reid 29th pick? they’ll be players.

          • nicksaenz1

            Does Jarrett still play for the Jets? I knew they picked up Ed Reed and he got himself a few more picks, but I don’t know if supplanted Jarrett.

          • GEAGLE

            Byrd,Ward,Joyner,Dix, Loston…..I need one!!!

          • cliff henny

            Loston has dropped to a 4th, per cbs draft. started out bourderline 1/2.

          • GEAGLE

            Really? I actually don’t like him much, I just include him because of the LSU connection i perceive us to have….I actually Like him much more in the 4th then the second

          • cliff henny

            yeah, he dropped pretty much steadily every posting. guy i kept an eye on because of lsu connection.
            .
            i’m leaning ward or clemmons. a, less money than byrd (who is going to want/get 5yrs/50m with 15m signing bonus) so guys like cooper thornton maclin kelce can get taken care of. b, wolff is really raw so like vet next to him c, really like joyner but rather see olb and wr go 1-2. d, dbs can be found/created later in draft. wont ague using 5-6th on them.

          • GEAGLE

            Same..I plan on being a SUPERBOWL contender next year..and if that holds true you can’t roll with a second round safety and a rookie safety..I’m good with Ward or Clemons..
            ,,
            But because philly is now a sexy destination, the Oregon connection, big market! contender we can offer Byrd, It be negligent to not take a swing at a player that makes your CBs better….but I’d be fine with Ward or Clemons…

          • cliff henny

            ummm….they’re a super bowl contender THIS YEAR!!!!

          • GEAGLE

            Ummmmmm…..I don’t see how we can change our personel at this point of the season :)

            Cliff I posted some draft stuff up top,…give me your thoughts when you get a minute

          • cliff henny

            was kidding, shot at you for making people picture me as a drunk david hasselhoff-though i’d still like to take a run at pam andersen…you know i think eagles are maybe 50% of what kelly wants. been reading to many other teams sites (cowboys) and predicting eagles demise.

          • GEAGLE

            I know bud..that’s why I threw a friendly jab back at ya :)

          • theycallmerob

            big fan of ward, especially if we get Joyner. Plus, the stick-it-to-banner factor.

          • cliff henny

            yup, so many ways to go. flexibility with this eagles team is what amazes me most. you could sell me on one of 25 different routes, and then in ’15, they’ll have just as much space to do it all over again (williams, herremanns, cole and graham clear over 20+m).

          • theycallmerob

            I’d rather take ILB Barrow from LSU.

          • GEAGLE

            29th pick gets you a BALLER!! Gets you like the second to 4th best player at a position…..say you get the 3rd safety drafted, he Could develope into a better player then the two safeties drafted before him.. See Lane Johnson

            If you know what you are doing in the draft, and your coaches can develop prospects, then the first 3 rounds should get you an above average to probowler player…basically! I think the first 5 rounds are extremely valuable…after round 5 you swing for the fences and hope you get lucky with a Richard Sherman type

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah it’s crazy…all dude do is trash Nate, now we have a chance to upgrade him and people talk about signing him

          • GEAGLE

            Better, but not good enough

        • Will

          Harper in for Vaccaro I think…

          • GEAGLE

            Yes, old ass Harper is in for Vaccaro. Harper can hit, but he couldn’t cover Cliff drunk off too many Mai this running on the beach barefoot…

            Much of this game will be decided by who’s LB’s and Safeties can keep the backs and TEs of of the opponent from doing too much damage,,.

            Kendricks,Barwin, Meco and the safeties will have their hands full but the saints are week in coverage at those positions so Ertz and Celek should be able to combine for as much damage as Jimmy Graham inflicts on our defense..
            ,,.
            Chip will try to take advantage or Roman Harper and MLB Curtis Lofton, who is a big, down hill trotter type! but won’t be able to keep up with Ertz and our backs in coverage..

            Saints get more sacks then us, but we have a much better line. They are starting a OT with one game of experience under his belt so you can count on throwing overload blitzes, twist and stunts on that side…

            Everyone is concerned cause Dallas slowed us down, but D alas played the division tough all year…a team like saints who hasn’t played us yet is going to struggle facing our offense the first time…saints run defense is sweet in the gut..

            Pound the rock, throw the ball to whatever running back that Lofton is matched up with, and throw the ball to the TE that Roman Harper will struggle to keep up with…

            Monte kiffin was very experienced with Chip from college and he saw him twice this year, so he was way more prepared for us, shutting down our RB screen ad bubble screens to WR…Rob Ryan and the saints defense will struggle mightily the first time they see our offense…

            Run the ball, don’t turn it over and you will have a chance to win games in January….

            We are going to win this game

          • G_WallyHunter

            upvote for the cliff running on the beach analogy hahaha

          • cliff henny

            hey…there was a time when it looked like the ending to a Bennie Hill show!

      • nicksaenz1

        Vaccaro out for season.

  • Johnny Domino

    “In terms of long-term gravity and significance, it could be a lot like the day Obi-Wan Kenobi stumbled across young Anakin Skywalker in a junk store on Tatooine.”

    I think it’s more like Ben Kenobi finding an unconscious Luke Skywalker in the desert.

    That ends better.

    • DirtyWaters

      Thought the same thing. If Kelly drafted shady this horrible Episode 1 reference might be more relevant.

      • nicksaenz1

        I read these awards from Graziano. It was a good laugh. He gave COTY to Belichick. You know you’re a homer when…

        • BlindChow

          He also had Kelly as the runner up, over Reid and Arians.

          When has Graziano ever been a Patriots fan? You know you’re a homer when a columnist offers a reasonable argument about something, but all you can see is they didn’t choose your guy.

          • nicksaenz1

            I didn’t really find it that reasonable. Dude has a HOF top 5, prob top 3 all time QB, a good ground game to go with it, and a solid defense. These have been the staples of NE since he got there, for the most part. The biggest difference is the lack of receiving talent, only because they let Welker walk, Hernandez killed a guy, and Gronk is a walking calamity. It’d be more reasonable in the year Brady was hurt and Cassel came in and they went 11-5. “Too often, this award goes to the coach whose team was better than the consensus preseason opinion thought it would be. It should go to the coach of the team whose success most clearly bears his imprint.” That team HAS HAD his imprint from day 1 13 years ago, and they’ve been about assembling cheap unwanted talent for the better part of the last 10 years. There’s nothing different, aside from receivers. His homerism is from NOT giving it to the coach in his division, who in 1 year, gave the team his imprint after 14 seasons under the franchise’s all-time winningest coach.

          • nicksaenz1

            Moreover, Chip had to win over the locker room, which was full of players loyal to Reid, leadership and culture had to be established, and he had to carefully go through a QB transition. He did all of that. With flying colors. If he made a case for a guy who wasn’t in the AFC Championship game last year, and usually finds his way there, and who didn’t already have his imprint on the team (going by his dumb definition), then I’d be okay. But Belichick over Chip for COTY is him not wanting to admit that a coach in his division should get it. Might as well say Pete Carroll is COTY.

          • BlindChow

            You didn’t agree, but it wasn’t unreasonable. I’ve seen other (disinterested) parties make a similar case for Belichick.

            I just think calling someone a “homer” for having an opinion you disagree with is a way of weaseling out of making an intelligent argument. I think you make a good case for Chip, but perhaps your own “homerism” is affecting your ability to acknowledge other people may have differing opinions on the subject without having to resort to labeling them “haters” or “homers.”

          • nicksaenz1

            Graziano is a known Giants homer, so if you need to say I’m weaseling out of making an intelligent argument by calling him what he is, something many of us know he is, then so be it. I think there’s a good case for Reid and Rivera, probably Rivera more since I don’t believe they played as weak of a schedule as the Chiefs, nor did they have a boatload of holdover pro bowl talent. The case for Belichick is pretty unreasonable, in my opinion. I think what makes his homerism stand out is that he listed Chip as the runner-up. It’s like, “Hey, I know you should get it over all of the other known likely candidates, but I’m going to throw out this wild card despite having the worst reasoning for doing so.”

          • BlindChow

            Back in his NFC East coverage days, he was “known” as a homer for every team he covered. It was hilarious reading his chats, when he would put accusations from fans of all four teams accusing him of being a homer for all the other teams. Seriously, if homerism was his motive, it would’ve made more sense for him to have chosen Reid, just as a stick-in-the-eye to the evil Eagles fans. I’m not even sure how homerism would have led him to choose Belichick.

            Personally, I don’t think he’s cared about any of the football teams he’s covered.

            But I understand in the tribalist nature of sports discussions, accusing people of homerism (and haterism) is just something fans have come to rely on when they don’t wish to debate intelligently.

          • nicksaenz1

            He’s a stated Giants fan. Don’t know what more you need.

          • BlindChow

            Link. He has never stated that.

          • nicksaenz1

            He has in his blog when he used to do the entire NFC East. I used to read it all the time before he linked me to this gem. I just spent a few minutes trying to find a link but it’s like searching for a needle in a huge haystack. They get forced to post too much content, not even sure how far back ESPN keeps active. He’s definitely stated it, though. EDIT: The more I think about it, because it’s bothering me now, I think it actually may have been in a comments section.

      • Johnny Domino

        Needs a total recast: Shady has swag more like Solo, Foles the fair-haired Luke, DJax can pout like a Princess, but handy with a blaster in a fight.

        Jerrah World = Death Star

        Just like shooting womp rats back home.

        • DirtyWaters

          DJax in a bikini chained at the feet of Andy Reid. A metaphor on the constraints of his offense.

          • Bdawkbdawk

            Dude.

          • DirtyWaters

            Hahaha. Yeah, I kinda creeped myself out with that one.

          • Always Hopeful

            Creep…yes. True…yes!

          • Johnny Domino

            An image I’m not losing soon, thanks for that.

        • Maggie

          Well thought out, and cute, but, please, I don’t think I could take the sight of DJax in a bikini!

          • Andy124

            Yeah, bikini’s are more of an OL thing. Think you gotta go with the Toddfather there. He’s got quite the fashion sense.

  • pjcostello

    The guy to worry about most is Darren Sproles, I think… the Eagles don’t have a LB who can match up with him (not many teams do), and with his speed and quickness he’s a first-down machine waiting to happen. I’d advocate putting a safety on him, if we had a safety. Maybe stick Roc Carmichael on him all day? Graham will have to be doubled, but the rest of their offensive threats are standard. Boykin on Moore, Williams on Colston, Fletcher and Wolff on Graham, I think we’re OK.

    • Eagles4Life

      I wouldn’t be opposed to letting Kendricks try and manhandle him off the line. Got to put his butt on the ground whenever possible.

      • pjcostello

        No problem with me, but I’m worried about someone covering him — keeping up with him around the field. Not as a running back, but as a receiver out of the backfield, because he’s deadly. We couldn’t cover DeMarco Murray on short routes, I worry about Sproles. On the upside, if someone like Kendricks plants him on his first reception, we can be fairly certain there won’t be a second. :-)

      • Marilyn Monbroe

        Use the patriots model. They shut Graham down completely.

        • Bdawkbdawk

          Graham was also injured.

          • Marilyn Monbroe

            Wasn’t it just an elbow injury? I may be mistaken

          • Bdawkbdawk

            So, I’m not sure about the elbow issue. I do recall him limping a bit and then a couple weeks later discovering that he had torn plantar fasciitis.
            Not trying to take away from your point- the Pats also did a heck of a job on him.

  • Eagles4Life

    Brees is much more of a mixed bag in games with temps less than 40 degrees, even more so >32 degrees. We’ll have to be on point regardless, but I do have more confidence in Napoleon since we saw him open it up and start slinging it in that 2nd half of the Detroit game. Obviously, snow + cold is more difficult.

  • Engwrite

    Yep. He is absolutely right. Just like with Tampa Bay. They never won a game below 40 degrees. Until the 2003 Championship in Philly. I like Jaws and I envy him. He gets paid (a lot) to say stuff and seems to have fun doing it. What could be better?

    • firstdown

      i love Jaws…i read what he has 2say….think the opposite….& wham-o… I’m right 9 out a 10….the guys never on point…..

  • Brian

    I don’t want a lot of big week 17 games. I’d rather rest my starters.

  • eagle fan dwn south

    I know I should be talking about the playoffs and not the draft but I was reading that Byrd wants to stay in Buffalo and get paid top S money so how many ppl believe that we just got lucky on getting Wolfe that late or believe it was the coaching and take the chance on drafting another S

    • nicksaenz1

      Just googled the report and didn’t see it. Where’d you see that? Only things I found were that the GM and President of the Bills were going to try again to retain him.

      • eagle fan dwn south
        • nicksaenz1

          Thanks. I read that as he only wants to stay if he’s paid top dollar. I see a difference in open-mindedness in staying and desire to stay.

          • eagle fan dwn south

            But he wants top dollars period and deserve it which is what Eric berry makes which is behind troy p but he’s being over payed but don’t know if taking the cheaper route is the best by just drafting

          • nicksaenz1

            Berry’s on his rookie deal and not paid top dollars and Troy is a 5x ALL PRO and DPOY. He earned that pay check. I’m not arguing against Byrd being paid like a top S but the barometers you mentioned don’t fit.

          • eagle fan dwn south

            I thought I read somewhere that Eric Berry was the second highest paid say behind Troy but I will re-check that’s y I said that

          • eagle fan dwn south
          • nicksaenz1

            Got it. Thought he was on new CBA salary structure for rookies, not the old. Good to know.

  • jackpotsdad

    I am so glad Chip has already come out and said weather won’t be a factor. It won’t. We need to beat this team straight up. No excuses. The Saints are a great football team. The thing I think we can count on is that we run the ball and they don’t defend the run particularly well. But to think Brees would have an off game just because it’s a bit cold…would not count on that.

    • GEAGLE

      Yesterday Howie made a plea to the fans to get rowdy on Sunday stating that crowd noise effected the saints huddle against the Seahawks and Carolina..Howie was calling for a fan induced earthquake at the linc

      • cliff henny

        think philly city cops are tweeting howie to ‘STFU!’

  • GEAGLE

    Are we talking about the same Jaws who said pro players can’t play high tempo all year because they will wear down by the end of the year? That jaws?

  • jmkrav

    I’m a huge eagles fan. I think the birds will win Saturday. But I don’t think Jaws opinion has anything at all to do with it.

    Jaws is a buffoon. Being good at something doesn’t mean you are necessarily a good analyst of it. (Magic Johnson?). He says that since brees doesn’t have as strong an arm as stafford he fails in cold windy weather?

    How did Stafford do in cold weather this year? I can’t believe he would ignore such recent data.

    What fails in cold weather is general deep passes that travel in the air for longer. There’s more time for wind to affect it.

    My fear with this offense is short throws to Graham, Thomas, and Sproles. Also endzone jump balls if they get colston or Graham matched up on one of our safeties.

    That being said, I think the birds D will take away the saints running game. That’s my hope. If so. We can use big body like Barwin to jam Graham at the line and have a DB bracket over the top.

    It’s going to be hard to stop them, but I also think our offense will score a lot.

    Birds 38 Saints 31

    • GEAGLE

      Saints aren’t scoring more then 24, and on the road, that’s generous
      ..
      Saints score 18 on the road, we give up no more then 22 per game…expecting Saints to score 17-24

  • GEAGLE

    Can anyone tell me how Jeffcoat did against Oregon?
    ..
    Mike Evans has only been playing football for 3 years?

    Interesting 7 round mock, we picked 27th:
    1) Vic Beasly OLB..with Cole and Graham playing well this kid will get a year to add weight which would make him a nice pick
    ..
    2) WR Paul Richardson Colorado.. Can anyone speak on him?
    ..
    3) safety he keen Smith Louisville
    ..
    4) CB Pierre Desir from lindenwood…wth is that? Lol
    ..
    5) Safety TY Zimmerman out of Kansas
    ..
    5) QB Stephan Morris out of Miami Florida
    ..
    7th) WR TJ Jones Notre Dame
    ….
    saw another mock that had us taking
    1) Marquis Lee WR
    2) Will Sutton DT

    • cliff henny

      jeffcoat looks like a beast. texas had him standing up walking the line coming from everywhere. chased MM from behind and strip sack.
      .
      like h smith too…he’s a 5-6th rdr though and needs to add 30lbs-only listed at 180 is 6-1, so should have frame. i would pretty much hate that draft, but hey, what do i know…mostly cause havent heard of 4 of those guys. beasley gets destroyed on the run too.
      .
      your boy hagemann will have tough getting past Allas, they need him badly.
      .
      jarvis landry in 2nd, guy is perfect. KOR/PR/slot and can play wide, plus no stranger to blocking.

      • GEAGLE

        Dallas needs so much..I’m sure they have Clinton Dix, Lois nix, offensive linemen, linebackers on their radar as well, but yeah they could Snag Shede…I wouldn’t want to have to face him for the next 5 years

    • moesus

      Jeffcoat was impressive. Mariota was killing Texas with his legs though, they had no answer. The score should have been more lopsided than it was but Oregon keep false starting (I problem I noticed all season) and getting themselves in 3rd and 10+ and not converting.

      A couple mock drafts I have seen have us drafting Ekpre-Olomu in the first round if he decides to come out. He’s very good, so I’d be ok with that.

      • GEAGLE

        The mock drafts you are reading are just lazy. We aren’t drafting him, and we probably aren’t taking a CB in the first two rounds…I actually like the kid! but we aren’t going to add another 5’10 CB just because he went to Oregon,,,Chip/Billy want big physical corners who can tackle (fact!)
        ..
        Thanks for the Jeffcoat intel

        • moesus

          I’m inclined to agree with you. I normally don’t pay much attention to mock drafts, especially when we will be drafting so late but I’ve been bored recently.

  • Token

    Wolff not practicing. Time to start questioning this kids heart….toughness….something? Unless this injury was way way worse then they let on hes been out way to long now.

    • theycallmerob

      you’re ridiculous. he played some against CHI, and re-injured it.
      do you really think Kelly or Davis would rather have Chung playing? why risk the kid’s future

      • GEAGLE

        “Time to start questioning the kids toughness?”

        Smh…wtf is wrong with people?

        • phillyeagle77

          Ignorance is bliss. Why risk the young kid?

          • GEAGLE

            He is actually prob playing this week…just question the stupidity of this fan basis

      • Token

        IsAccording to McLane the coaches wanted him to go back in vs the Bears. Wolff told them no because he wasnt comfortable. Take all this for what u will. But i dont find any of this to be a good sign. He should be playing by now. If injury was this bad he should have been IRed weeks ago. I expect him to play this week.

        • Johnny Domino

          And as Wolff lives for your approval, likely he will.

        • BlindChow

          I think the coaches wanting Wolff out there is more an indictment of Chung. If it’s true, I’m actually more impressed with Wolff. The NFL culture idolizes the concept of “toughness” over measured intelligence; there are so many instances of players who insist upon going back into a game after an injury, when it is clear in their diminshed state they are actually a detriment to their team. Look at RG3 last year, or Vick earlier this season.

          This isn’t Peyton Hillis pulling himself from a game because of a sore throat. If Wolff doesn’t think he can physically perform at his best, then I respect his decision not to play.

          • Token

            Im just hoping this is a case of resting the knee another week and he will play. I have nightmares of Chung on the field against Brees.

    • EaglePete

      Check out some excerpts from Nate Jacksons book on playing in the NFL. It will give you incredible insight into the injuries these guys play through. Its unreal. Every last nuance recorded in detail for any potential lawsuits down the road. Even more interesting was the way they make injured guys get back on the field when they arent ready. If they catch you on the bike too long they get a trainer on you every second pushing you way harder than any practice. The player is then forced to hit the practice field because its easier than what they are putting them through rehabbing. Id like to read the whole book, only read parts on dspin.

  • Johnny Domino

    Is it out of line to call for a Mummers moratorium on the playing of “When The Saints Go Marching In”?

    • nicksaenz1

      Let’em sing it. Crowd should sing the Eagles fight song as soon as it’s done haha

    • EaglePete

      how bout just a mummers moratorium

      • Johnny Domino

        Not a fan?

  • KobraKai7474

    The latest weather is calling for cold but not frigid weather Saturday night with light winds. If the Eagles want to win, they will need to do it on the field because the weather is not going to do it for them.

  • Scott J

    Is it possible to get some numbers when Brees played in cold weather and not just generic outdoor numbers? Theres a difference between playing outside in Tampa and outside in Philly. Outside doesn’t always mean cold.

  • Who Dat

    WHO DAT!!!!!!!!!

    • phillyeagle77

      THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES IZ DAT!!!!!!!!!!