Foles, Eagles About To Hit Hot Water

Nick Foles. Photo | Ed Szczepanski-USA TODAY Sports

Photo | Ed Szczepanski-USA TODAY Sports

Moments after drafting Matt Barkley, Chip Kelly stole a line from  former coach Sam Rutigliano to help explain why he liked the USC signal-caller.

“He used to say that with a quarterback, it’s like a tea bag, you don’t know what you have until you put it in hot water.”




Quarterback is a pressure-packed position, and there's no way to know what your guy is made of until he is tested in big moments. That is important to keep in mind as we continue to evaluate Nick Foles.

The city is anxious to know whether Foles is a long-term solution for this franchise; whether he can be the guy to lead this team to the top. The answer is that we don't yet have the answer. We might not even be close to having it. But the next-month plus should get us nearer to the truth.

For perspective, take a look across the league. Matt Ryan is a good example: The former No. 3 overall pick is in the midst of his sixth NFL season. He has started 88 games, has a record of 58-31, two Pro Bowl appearances under his belt and won Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2008. This year he's fallen off, and the Falcons are 2-9. He has led Atlanta to the postseason four times but has only one win. Are we ready to make any definitive statements as to whether he is capable of leading his team to a Super Bowl championship? What about RGIII (25 starts)? Matthew Stafford (55 starts)? The jury is still out on a lot of quarterbacks in this league, many of whom have played significantly more snaps than No. 9.

Foles has started 11 games in the NFL. The first six were in the midst of a lost season for this franchise, the last five in the middle of what many consider a rebuilding year. He has a record of 5-6 overall and is 4-1 so far this season. The only conclusion we can draw at this point is that Foles looks like a competent NFL starting quarterback. Any proclamations beyond that are not supported by facts.

Several weeks back, Howie Roseman likened the quarterback position to  a starting pitcher: The first time through the lineup, the opposition is going in largely blind because there is no book on you yet. But over time, they figure out your tendencies and begin to make adjustments. It's important to see what a QB looks like once you have reached that point.

What separates quarterbacks that have sustained success from those who flame out?

"Consistency," said Foles following his seven-TD performance in Oakland. "Defenses are going to adjust. They get the game film we just watched and they saw what we did well and they are going to try and take that away. I think it's the ability to play the game and adapt when the game is going on, to know that you studied film all week on this but they came out in a different coverage -- how are you going to react to it? Is it going to fluster you, or are you going to be able to flourish because you're prepared and you know where to go with the ball on time and in rhythm and accurately. It's all those little things, and that's where hard work, preparation and being a leader and having a great relationship with your teammates comes in."

Once you have established that your quarterback is capable of getting it done from September-November, Phase II is figuring out whether they rise to the occasion in December and January when the weather turns and your season is on the line. That's not something you can simulate; those answers come only through experience.

Truth be told, that's why the Eagles organization is tickled pink right now. They get to see how Foles, as well as the other young guys on this roster, react when the pressure is ratcheted up. Five games (at least) to dip your players and coaches in hot water and see how they respond. That's invaluable for an organization trying to shape a contender.

“It’s all for naught if we don’t continue to build from here,” Kelly said of the Eagles' three-game win streak and 6-5 overall record. “And I think they understand that too. There’s still a lot of football left. …We’ve got five games in December, but we’ve put ourselves in a situation where those five games in December are meaningful.

"We’re gonna pick our heads up on Dec. 29 and figure out where we are.”

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  • G_WallyHunter

    Damn, quality journalism.
    Taking a CK quote and turning it into an article like this?
    Damn, All I gotta say.

    Birds 24/7 For Life

    • DirtyWaters

      Read a Marcus Hayes article the other day because I was jonsin’ during the bye. Horrible. You are correct. This is just a good, solid article.

      It really doesn’t matter if we make the playoffs this year. I agree with the end of the article. Let’s see what we have. I predict a 2-3 record over this stretch. I’m OK with that as long as we see continued growth from Foles as well as the defense. The kid is gonna have bad days. Everyone does. I like him. I wish him luck. I don’t really know him yet, though. But I sure am excited to see what we have this December.

      And yeah, don’t get me wrong, beating Dallas and going to the playoffs is ALWAYS awesome! Let Go Birds!

      • G_WallyHunter

        Exactly, simply put don’t need to go anywhere else for birds info, period. Sure, that CSN site is good here and there but I find Mosher and Frank are always trying to stir some kind of pot, which makes sense as it is Comcast, must cater to their agenda or whatever. No need to go there most the time

        • Clamdigger

          What’s with the fluffing? This wasn’t a good article. They just regurgitated some quotes and proclamations that know-nothing fans make. They’ve played some good teams and they still have to play some good teams. Football is way too situational to claim that these last few games are going to tell us anything revelatory about Foles.

          The coaches have said they’re just looking for continued improvement. Tim would have you believe they look at this time of the year as some sort of gauge of a QB’s “Superbowlability”

          I’m tired of the notion that a QB IS or ISN’T a SB QB. You know what makes a Superbowl QB? Getting to the SB and being efficient in your offense. There’s no magic gene.

          • Andy124

            1st 3 sentences were needlessly abrasive. Ashame they color an otherwise solid post.

          • Richard Colton

            too late. I’ve been yeasting up superbowlability for the last 20 minutes.

          • Andy124

            But is Tim yeasting the importance of these next 5 games in determining how much yeast to add to Nick’s superbowlability?

          • Clamdigger

            Sorry, I just really like this blog and don’t want the content to devolve in to this on a regular basis.

            This was a well written article and I understand having to produce content during the bye week, but I just don’t like seeing Tim and Sheil feed in to shallow dialogue that runs rampant on 97.5, WIP, etc…

            They have a track record of producing really insightful stuff, with objective, albeit sometimes tongue-in-cheek analysis of topics that the fans are actually interested in.

            I’d rather see a well done, in-depth piece on one of the players or coaches during the bye week rather than just speculation that any of us could make on our own.

            I still love these guys. I just don’t want them to turn in to Tim and Sheil Missanelli.

          • Andy124

            I really don’t have any problem with the article at all. Doesn’t mean I agree with every point within, just that I enjoyed reading it. No problem if it wasn’t up your alley, but as you’ve already figured out, there’s no need to be harsh. I don’t think we’re in any danger of sudden degradation of the quality of content here.

            The bigger risk is them moving on to bigger and better things… not that anything could be bigger or better…

          • Clamdigger

            Fair enough.

          • Adam

            Dude, it’s Monday coming out of a bye week. It’s a bit of a filler piece, so what? Tim’s gotta make his nut too. It’s still a better piece than half of the beat writers in Philly can produce. Some of us appreciate getting free high quality content, don’t ruin it for this rest of us.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Fluffing?
            ya may have been regurgitated but the point is how it was arranged. Refer to what Adam said below, basically what I would have said.
            Pffft.. Fluffing… there’s no such thing as fluffing with this site.

          • Clamdigger

            Don’t get me wrong; this “bad” article is still better than anything anyone else produces. I still don’t like it. It’s beneath Tim and Sheil to bother writing stuff like this.

      • anon

        I think it matters. It sucks we had those to MB games — really were the worst games to lose.

        • DirtyWaters

          1. Expectations were so low this year, this is all gravy
          2. I don’t think we’re going to Seattle or NO and winning.
          3. At this point, we are not ready for a run. However, a little playoff experience would be nice for Chip.
          4. MB got some real world experience.
          5. Let’s continue player evaluation and see what we have.
          6. Who am I kidding, ignore points 1-5. Let’s get in and win!!!

          • theycallmerob

            upvote for using 5 twice

          • Brian

            Should have gone to 9.

          • DirtyWaters

            damn. thought i was quicker on the edit…upvote for reading my posts so quick and thoroughly,

        • Joe from Easton

          It sucks that we had those MB and MV games…Foles is 5-1; MV/MB are 1-4.

  • morgan c

    Regarding Matt Ryan and the “can this guy lead us to the Super Bowl” argument:

    “He has led Atlanta to the postseason four times but has only one win.
    Are we ready to make any definitive statements as to whether he is
    capable of leading his team to a Super Bowl championship?”

    The problem I have with this line of thinking is that who among us thought Joe Flacco was a “Super Bowl winning” QB before his run last post-season? Same with Eli Manning before their first Super Bowl? Would any of us prefer Flacco over Matt Ryan? I sure as hell would not. Though it’s undoubtedly important to have a good QB, guys like Bill Barnwell at Grantland have recently done a good job debunking the whole conventional wisdom of viewing guys through the “can you win a SB with him” prism.

    I’m not saying it wouldn’t be great to have an all-world QB, and though it’s too early to tell for sure what we have in Foles, he does seem to be at least a starting caliber NFL QB, with perhaps a higher ceiling. I think it’s very likely that’s more than “good enough” to potentially lead us deep into the playoffs (not this year, but definitely in the next 2 or 3 provided we add more weapons on defense and at WR). And though this post doesn’t exactly go to the “should we draft Marriota” question, what’s to say some college “system” QB will be putting up 16 and 0 lines a year from now? I guess what I’m saying is, if we want to be able to get in position to draft a QB, we better be CERTAIN he is going to be better than Foles and is a future pro bowl player (assuming Foles continues his solid to excellent play).

    It says here, continue adding mid-price solid veterans through trades and FA (re: Barwin, Connor), draft top-level talent at pass-rushing positions, and in the secondary, keep replenishing the o-line, get Maclin healthy, and build around the 6-6 young and cheap-ass QB who has been nothing short of brilliant so far this year.

    • Adam

      Great stuff. There’s a whole lot of people who forget the grass is always greener on the other side. To assume that any rookie QB could play as well as Foles has been playing lately is ridiculous.

      If you take away the 3rd round title and just look at Foles’ numbers, as you said, he’s been nothing short of brilliant. Even if you don’t feel wowed by anything he’s done, the simple fact that he doesn’t turn the ball over is more than most teams can say about their QB’s right now.

      The only conclusion we can draw at this point is that Foles looks like a competent NFL starting quarterback. This is fact, and like with any draft class, you can’t say that definitively about the QB’s of 2014 until you see them in NFL action. Changing for the sake of change is never a good idea.

    • theycallmerob

      well said, especially your last 2 paragraphs. Teams can make the playoffs with good-to-great QBs, if they’re well built (the steelers and their D all those years, the ravens, ATL, SEA, SF since Harbaugh, the Bears D of yesteryear, Arian Foster the past few years, etc.) But in terms of “Elite, game-changing, shoulder-the-load” guys, there are very few- Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees. Stafford and Cutler are inconsistent at best (with the benefit of Megatron and Marshall). Cam seems to be the one guy stuck in the middle, trying to make the leap to great/elite.

      McNabb was a generational QB. Coaching counted for something, and never got that SB, but 90% of the teams in the league would kill to have been in such a scenario year after year. Foles is young with promise- more than can be said for any QB since McNabb.
      If the team around him is rebuilt well, and Kelly’s scheme is both lasting and productive, there is no reason (barring typical disasters) this team does not go back to competing for a playoff spot consistently with Foles as the starter.

    • Brandon

      McManus writes as if he has some personal vendetta against Foles or something. Hate to say it, but I’m really going to start avoiding his writing if he continues to not give Foles his due.

      • bentheimmigrant

        What is Foles’ due? I’ve been on the Foles train since before the season, but I’m not going to say he’s more than a “competent NFL quarterback”. There’s not actually that many of those. I think he could be truly good, maybe even great, but at the moment, he is a solid NFL starter. And there’s nothing wrong with that. TMac is right – there’s a lot left to learn about Foles. If we’re lucky, it’s all good things.

        • Richard Colton

          yeah. The last few weeks have showed us that Foles can be successful in CK’s system. That’s it. He might be an average NFL starter; he might be (***breathe***) a star. That’s why this is fun. We’re all finding out together.

      • BleedGreenJames

        Says the guy who would take Foles over Luck.

      • Dr Rick

        Wow, I don’t read it that way at all.
        I think Mac does a nice job of laying out the current QB questions without being inflammatory. Nick can “have his due” if he can continue to perform; the young man has his chance and I hope he can excel. Seems to me that’s about all any pro athlete can ask for.
        Go Birdz!

    • Stumpy Pepys

      I would prefer Flacco to Matt Ryan. Ryan has looked very average when he has not had two outstanding WR’s on the field with him. In fairness to Ryan, he plays behind a below average line.

      • anon

        yeah, it’s a team game. sometimes people forget about that when negotiating contracts.

        • anon

          but flacco also looks horrible pretty often

      • nicksaenz1

        And Flacco, aside from those 4 games, has looked every bit of average to slightly above.

        • Stumpy Pepys

          His WR corp has been below average his entire time in Baltimore. I’m not saying he is an HOF QB. I just think he is much more of a clutch performer than Ryan.

          • nicksaenz1

            I wouldn’t say they were below average, but, to your point, not star-studded. He’s still really inconsistent for me to sing his praises, and, aside from that 4 game stretch, has done little else that says wow. The first 4 playoff appearances were behind a top 5 D each year, with 2 HOF playmakers.

          • bill

            Yeah, people really discount the role that a good to great defense plays – it really takes the pressure off the QB to be great and allows him to just play within a system. That’s huge for a young QB.

    • GEAGLE

      Really quality work Morgan,,,,

      People get enamored with these college kids, yet Reality is that every single one of them is a drastically bigger risk than continuing to build with FOles…fortunately front office people know this…..I’m telling you right now, there is a DRASTIC disconnect with how NFL personel people view FOles, and how the fanboy media thinks personel people view FOles…the kid is here to stay

      • Tom w

        Why do I keep seeing chip Kelly saying over and over again in play review videos, coaching materials and press conferences that a qb who can pass and run well puts the most pressure on the defense and allows the offense to have more flexibility in play calling. I think anyone would be lying to themselves if they didn’t agree that his offensive system would work best with a equally duel threat qb like a Steve young.

        Now I like what foles has done so far and realize he is only 12 games in. He is legit starter in this league. But I don’t know if he gives us the best chance to win a Super Bowl vs a mariotta type who is highly skilled in both areas and knows the system. I’m not calling for a trade up but I want to keep my eyes and ears open to other qb possibilities who can run this system at its optimum level .. W chip’s realization and importance that the qb drawing the extra defender on on the read option and potentially a. Spy on passing down is a coup for the offense.

        Foles is so cheap for next two yrs it behooves the FO to keep him in place as starter another yr or two and draft an 2-4 th rd athletic qb to develop in case we catch lightning and don’t win the bowl under nick. I think 5 more games and atleast another season or 2 is enough to know if foles is the answer. By drafting an athletic understudy who can learn behind foles and compete, we cover ourselves well at the most important position in the nfl.

    • Media Mike

      agree except for Eli. A helmet catch and a rainbow pass misdiagnosed by Chung are all that kept New England from having 5 rings.

      • memphoeagle

        don’t forget Asante’s dropped interception!!!

    • Coatesvillain

      Only thing I’d like to add is that Flacco had a strong postseason the year prior as well. They were a Lee Evans drop, and a missed field goal away vs NE.

      And I don’t think Tim is saying anything about the next QB here. Just that these next five games will tell a lot about Foles and this franchise going forward. Fair or not these games mean more.

  • theycallmerob

    The only conclusion we can draw at this point is that Foles looks like a competent NFL starting quarterback. Any proclamations beyond that are not supported by facts.

    well then. maybe Tim really is reading the comments.

    • Tim McManus

      Always!

      • DirtyWaters

        Did you prefer the Voltron or “Always Sunny” references? Sconces as Pink Ranger?

        • theycallmerob

          some hard-hitting investigative questions.
          If I had to ask one, I’d have to know if “Dutch” is merely the handle Sheil uses after consuming too much schnapps

          • DirtyWaters

            I wanted to ask what his “flip-to” show was during the commercials while watching “Ghostbusters” on CMT.

          • nicksaenz1

            Bet it’s Red Zone

          • EaglePete

            “off air” redzone, he just stares at the screen waiting….

          • Andy124

            Sheil would never stoop so low. They pay the intern to troll us and drive up page hits and comments while making us feel smart in comparison.

          • GEAGLE

            I lost it when I thought of SK drunk off schnaps

      • theycallmerob

        there’s no mod next to your name! impostor! has TMac approved use of his image as your avatar?!

        • Richard Colton

          after 11 months…the big reveal…Dutch is Tim McManus. End scene.

      • cliff henny

        so, honestly, how crazy would howie and chip think we are if they were forced to read some of our suggestions?

      • Sheil Kapadia

        See how easy this is?
        Will the Real Tim McManus please stand up?

      • Andy124

        Hey Tim, that guy is trying to impersonate Sheil. You can tell because of the blank avatar.

        EDIT: Nevermind. He added an avatar so he must be just as real as you.

  • Adam

    Off topic but if you’re floating around the twitterverse and like to tweet about the Eagles follow me and leave your handle. I will follow in return!

    I’m at @adamjmacd

    • Richard Colton

      done. you look a lot like chip kelly in real life too. @richcolton

      • Adam

        I’m probably just a love child of him and some tavern wench. He’s married to the game but still has NEEDS.

        • nicksaenz1

          I heard things get wild in those Montreal gentlemen’s clubs.

    • Sheil Kapadia

      Thanks Adam!

      @SheilKapadia

  • knighn

    Nick Foles must play well. The Eagles must keep the Cowboys from post-season success.

    I don’t know which would be worse: watching the Eagles out of the playoffs again or hearing all off-season how terrible Foles is from certain Vick-lickers & Foles haters.

    • Andy124

      Most worstest: Dallas in the playoffs. Fortunately, Romo has no superbowlability.

  • pjcostello

    …and let’s all keep in mind that NO ONE expected we would SNIFF the playoffs a couple of short months ago, and we were all fine with that — provided we saw that the new regime had a plan, and the team showed both life and improvement over the course of the season. I love my Eagles and would be thrilled if they made the playoffs, but I won’t be crushed if they finish 8-8 or 9-7 and miss out, because I am proud of the direction they are heading.

    • Andy124

      To be fair, and it pains me to do this, #7 thought we could make the playoffs. (Largely due to his unwaivering faith in #7). I could be wrong, but I think RIP Illa may have felt that way too. Possibly cliff?

      I sure as hell didn’t think we’d have a shot.

      • Richard Colton

        Ehhh. You’re being crazy-generous. #7 predicted the Foles train would crash while he, the real Mike Vick, and BBaaS would walk hand-in-hand into the playoffs. Not the same. I thought 7 games was our max ceiling.

        • Andy124

          In my defense, I was speaking of preseason predictions when he promised us that Vick would play all 16, so there was no Foles train to crash.

      • Brian

        I had them at 10-6 and hopefully in the playoffs. Still wouldn’t be too disappointed in 9-7 without playoffs. As long as we still seem to be learning, and Foles eliminates the need for a QB in 2014 draft.

      • cliff henny

        no, i thought only way was if vick caught lightning in a bottle. was 99% sure vick would get hurt around game 6, foles would be ok, finish with 6 or 7 wins and trade the farm for mariota. please, dont link me with #7, rip illa is cool

      • GEAGLE

        I didn’t have them in the playoffs..I thought we would finish the last month strong but struggle early

    • anon

      I figured we would — theory was confirmed watching our offense in pre-season.

  • EaglePete

    Im all in, sometimes you have to trust your gut. More so on CK than Foles but both really. Just think they have something going here. If it looks and acts like smart quality football then….

    All this is also with an objective understanding that football is still football, you have your good and bad. I think the consistency will come with time but the ceiling is high. I dont fear automatic losses as much, I think this team can hang and beat some teams. My biggest reservation is still the defense, think they need a few more pieces. As well, need upgrades at WR, another thing that makes me buy Foles and CK, they are doing this with that WR group.

    • jshort

      When Oregon got clobbered by Arizona on Saturday, that got me thinking the same thing. Helfrich has pretty much the same players, plays, smoothies, system, got to see Chip in action first hand. etc. Maybe that was a fluke, maybe not. That loss got me thinking perhaps we might have something special in CK. Although I was leaning that way when the Eagles hired him.

  • TNA

    Given that this winter is going to be historically tumultuous (with the SB predicted to be played in a snowed-out Meadowlands), the Eagles will be hitting “hot water” in one of the coldest winters this area has seen in years. In cold weather, depth is going to be key and I’m more than a little concerned that Bryce Brown or Polk haven’t really found their groove yet. I also wonder if Vick might be a better QB choice in particularly blustery weather because of his ability to run (and possibly a better ball that can cut through wind). In fact, if it’s possible to prepare, I wouldn’t mind seeing Chip sending in Vick in the 4th qtr if they have the lead and just pound the ball with McCoy, Bryce, Polk and Vick.

    • JofreyRice

      You learn a lot when the weather gets cold. Obv, we’ll see if Foles arm is strong enough to drive it through the winter winds of the Eastern Seaboard, or if he’s a QB that’s better suited to playing in the balmy Delta. Also, the ball gets a lot harder to catch; we can figure out if Cooper’s “emergence” is going to be something he can sustain. How crazy would it be for Riley Cooper to be the “big WR” most of us are hoping for in next year’s draft?

      • EaglePete

        Crazy. Cooper is to Foles as Deion Branch is to Brady

      • cliff henny

        as odd as i seems, it’s nothing crazy. they still have there miscommunications and not like it’s continuous circus throws and catches. not sure when, but at some point we have got to be believers. just really hard, mean…riley cooper #2?!

        • JofreyRice

          I’m not a combine guy, generally, but when you look at all his numbers, it’s not hard to see why the Eagles picked him up. 6’3, 220, low 4.5s, good acceleration times and stuff like that.

          However, there were times when he was able to be removed entirely with just single coverage; KC, for sure. Now, does that have something to do with Vick versus Foles, and the difference in their style of play? I can’t say I really know.

          I’m still somewhat incredulous that Foles underthew that ball to the middle of the field on purpose, but regardless of that, Cooper made a really good adjustment. I’d love to see him make some catches with a defender draped all over him.

          • cliff henny

            ok, but how many wr are making catches with dbs draped all over them, and the ones that do are #1’s. cooper is catching the ball in traffic, he’s getting early seperation and making catches, and also getting late when foles throws him open. if it was anyone else, say greg salas, we’d be going nutz like eagles found the next cruz. cooper isnt perfect, but keep jax, ertz continues to get better and draft landry, who knows. agree, just hard to believe how far riley’s come in 6 games.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, he’s playing much better lately. If he had all the same numbers, production, etc. and we didn’t know the backstory of how he really hadn’t done much previously, I think we’d all be on the bandwagon. BUT, he has been in the league for awhile now, so I think his history does come into play a little.

          • GEAGLE

            Riley had his moments last year playing with Nick

          • cliff henny

            yup, definitely, they seem to have chemistry. just the name association, i have tough time with it too. happens all the time, guy bloom late or find correct situation. ahmed brooks at sf playing tonight, good example. crabtree, he came on w/ kaep (watching espn pregame obviously)

      • Token

        Im excited to see how this goes. Really hoping for the best. Hoping QB is not a worry going into a draft that looks likes its now full of busts. Trying to think of the last player that has crashed and burned harder late in the year than Mariota. Im pretty sure hes not coming out at this point. Just a turd of a QB draft, especially given how hyped it was coming into the college season.

        I saw a tweet saying the Cards have the #1 overall defense. Is that real? It was from Football Outsiders.

        I think Foles is gonna be under fire this game. Hopefully the bye really helped Chip take a long look at the Cards.

        You get to Palmer and he can put up a 3 INT game.

        • JofreyRice

          I don’t know about that. I’m a little skeptical of Football Outsiders. One year they had Joselio Hanson as like the #2 CB in the entire league. Sometimes that heavy heavy stat analysis stuff loses the forest for the trees, IMO. I know they lost yesterday, but how can AZ field a better D than KC’s put on the field? Or Seattle? Doesn’t seem to add up, in the real world.

          I know Mathieu, Calais Campbell, Daryl Washington, and Pat Peterson are all really good players. I think they have a lot of talent, defensively, and I think Arians’ offense is rounding into form. I remember from that last Cardinals game, when Daryl Washington was just coming in and destroying Vick. For me, it was one of the first times when you really saw Vick’s decline, athletically. He just couldn’t get away from a guy who was younger, bigger, faster, more agile, etc.

          It will be a nice test, all around.

    • theycallmerob

      Given that this winter is going to be historically tumultuous

      is that really a fact?

      and why would Vick be a better qb choice in the cold than he is now? still can’t stay healthy. and his career stats in cold weather aren’t exactly impressive; in fact, he saves his worst play for December: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5448/splits/?season=career

      • nicksaenz1

        While I’m not sure the Almanac uses historically tumultuous, it’s supposed to be a very bad one: http://www.almanac.com/content/almanacs-long-range-weather-forecast-us-and-canada

        • theycallmerob

          are those folks ever right?

          • nicksaenz1

            More often than your local news meteorologist…. except Sheena Parveen. She’s never wrong.

          • theycallmerob

            had to google that one, but….oh my

          • Andy124

            Any true Scottish Eagles fan wouldn’t have to google that.

          • Richard Colton

            she still dating Scottie Hartnell? or should I keep her toothbrush just in case?

          • nicksaenz1

            I heard she finally wised up and realized she was far too good for that douchebag.

      • TNA

        No – of course it’s not a fact. But the conditions and trends are pointing to a very cold December and snowy Jan – mid-Feb.

        I’m impressed with the results Foles has had so far. But the fact remains that Vick is a better runner than Foles. I don’t think anybody can dispute that. So the idea (and it’s only theoretical because I doubt the Eagles have enough time to game plan and get enough reps during the week) is that if they’re in a situation where it’s advantageous and lower risk to run repeatedly, then Vick MAY be a better choice than Foles to run the offense.

        I don’t think the historical splits matter as much because the systems in which Vick has played and the protection talent and schemes are very different. I’m just sayin that IF the Eagles had the time to prepare, and IF they were in a situation in which it’s much more advantageous (or the risk of throwing the ball is relatively high due to weather conditions or game situation) to be running the ball, Vick might prove useful.

    • Brian

      You don’t choose your quarterback based on weather conditions.

      • TNA

        I generally agree, but just to play devil’s advocate, why the hell not? If it becomes clear during practice that one QB is going to be more effective leading the offense in certain situations than another QB in certain weather conditions, why not go with the QB that gives you a better chance of moving the offense (c.p.)?

  • Andy124

    Bored, so I’m running some numbers on Mr. Foles:

    *In games where he played a significant amount (removes SD and Denver)
    63.7% 9.59ypa 126.95rating 15td 0int

    *Eliminating the two obvious outliers (Dallas and Oakland, still no SD or Denver)
    67% 10.19ypa 127.04rating 8td 0int

    *Eliminating only the Dallas Debacle (still no SD or Denver)
    69.5% 11.13ypa 145.5rating 15td 0int

    *Eliminating only the Oakland game (still no SD or Denver)
    60.5% 8.52ypa 108.6rating 8td 0int

    What I find really interesting here is that the Dallas debacle is actually hurting his numbers more than the HoF performance is helping them.

    You can eliminate that 7td outburst, with more TDs than incompletions, still count the Dallas debacle against him, and his rating is still 108.6 and he’s still completing over 60% of his passes.

    He only has 1 game where he’s completed less than 64% of his passes and 2 games where he’s completed over 70%.

    • nicksaenz1

      Like I tell the ladies, harder to go up than it is to go down…. Regarding your 2nd line in removing the outliers, what’s the 8th TD? He ONLY had 7 against Oakland.

      • Andy124

        The one San Diego snap and the garbage time against Denver is eliminated from all of those. Your missing touchdown was against Denver.

        • nicksaenz1

          That one says that it’s still not including SD or Den, and removes Oak and Dal. What am I missing?

          • Andy124

            Right, so he had 15 if you count Dallas and Oakland (But not SD and Den). Then you subtract the 7 from the Oakland game and 15-7=8. Am I misunderstanding the question?

          • nicksaenz1

            Nope. I’m beyond tired from a rough weekend and was not processing what you were saying correctly at all. My sincerest apologies.

          • Andy124

            All good.

          • nicksaenz1

            It’s actually inexcusable. But, thanks…. Basically, I understood the situation, but for some reason wasn’t connecting the numbers appropriately. That was bad.

    • cliff henny

      good work. sorry, but i reject it all cause he cant run 4.5 40.
      .
      last 5 games are just huge. we are all rooting for ya’ folesy, well, except…

      • Andy124

        He could run a 4.5 30 though.

      • GEAGLE

        Lol

    • Brian
    • Clamdigger

      Part of that is because as bad as he was against Dallas, he still didn’t throw a pick. Personally, I’d rather have a pick than a QB miss an additional 20% of his passes, but hey, I don’t make the rules.

      • Andy124

        As a wise man once said, Fair enough.

    • G_WallyHunter

      I appreciate ur number running

  • Rick H

    Tim, let’s say the Eagles go 3 & 2 the rest of the way or even 2 & 3 and the Eagles do not make the playoffs. Foles plays well but he his offensive line let’s him down one game, his receivers let him down another game and the 3rd loss Foles plays average. The Eagles finish 9 & 7 or 8 & 8 which would be a tremendous season for this team with the existing talent and the change in management/head coach…
    Tim, you will then be still writing articles prior to the draft about the uncertainty of the QB position on the Eagles and suggesting they take a QB. Your mind set is almost indefinite… setting the bar to a level that Foles could never achieve complete validation from you. The Eagles have one of the five best performing QB’s in the NFL RIGHT NOW. Not my words but opinions of former Super Bowl winning QB’s.
    Tim, I suggest you FIRST focus on linebackers, safeties, cornerbacks, receivers, back up running backs, offensive line then QB in the upcoming draft and free agency.

    • bentheimmigrant

      Where did Tim say any of these things? This article is basically saying Foles is about the face the most pressure he’s ever handled in the NFL, and how he performs will tell us a lot. So, yeah, if he looks great while we go 2-3, then we’ll know that he could face up to it. But pretending like we know that Foles is going to be consistent long-term is silly.

  • Will

    Foles flashes being calm, cool, collected under pressure with his eyes down field that’s what I like so far. Keep it up kid keep it up… I personally think Foles is a keeper…Foles since your gonna hit hot water you might as well serve some Hot Green Tea…for the doubters and haters…Last time I checked 11 player’s play Offense and 11 on Defense and 11 more on Special teams…The Eagles have holes for sure QB isn’t one of them….With 11 starts Foles is in essence in his rookie year but if nothing else at this point Foles has proven he can be a high caliber, highly competent NFL QB for years to come with potenial upside as he sharpens his craft on Sundays under fire…We the Eagles fans have had running or a mobile QB since the days of Randall, McNabb, and Vick …Flacco with a strong arm, a solid Defense, excellent ground game and a tremendous cast of receiver’s …Joe Flacco doesn’t come to mind when I think of a running QB…I think Kapernick oh yeah they lost to Flacco’s Ravens…the Eagles need to continue updating and improving the defense especially the secondary. LB’s, CB’s and Safeties to be competitive. As far as QB goes were fine there…if you do tinker with the Offense think WR or O-Line to help your QB with a supporting cast… The Eagles need to upgrade Receiver’s long before a QB change…We finally have a tall pocket passer with some gray matter, a strong accurate arm, who doesn’t throw picks, who finds the open guys and you just wanna throw him under the bus…Foles has accomplished in 11 games what some starting NFL QB’s haven’t done in years…yeah he had a crappy game against Dallas yet Foles was good enough for the HOF in Oakland…Have some patience… I hope when you started writing there were people who believed in you long before you believed in yourself…In Chip and Foles I believe…

  • GEAGLE


    Let me tell you something about playing under pressure…you either feel it,or you don’t…these degrees of pressure that fans like to talk about is BS..
    ..
    This notion that now we will get to see him respond to “playoff pressure” issue BS…when you are playing, you are either in a high pressure situation or you aren’t…College kids today play in front of 80,000 people..Take a look at a kid like Marriotta. he took the field a few weeks back and in 1 game, he had millions of dollars worth of draft stock, the national championship, and the Heisman trophy all hanging on the balance of 1 game…that’s PRESSURE!!! that’s AS MUCH pressure as the kid will EVER feel…a fan like me can say that once he is in the Super Bowl that he should feel more pressure then he did during the Stanford games, but the athlete doesn’t think that way….
    ..
    Who cares about FOles playoff pressure? To us it will be the most high pressure situation of his career, but to him, it’s just ANOTHER high pressure situation. You think he will EVER feel more pressure than having to rebound from an entire city crucifying him after the Dallas game? That was as high pressure as it will ever get for the kid…the playoffs might be AS high pressure, but it damn sure isn’t gonna be more pressure…if the game or the situation is important to a player and his team mates, then there will be pressure to win and perform..You think going into the Oakland game he thought,man there is a lot of pressure on me to perform and I. BETTER show the world what ii can do, BUT it’s not as important as the playoffs?

    Everytime he takes the field with the Icon on the bench(there is pressure because he won’t know when his next chance will be)…This kid is a GAMER!! We already saw how he responds to do or die pressure…..HE MAKES IT HIS BITCH!!!! Lol
    ..
    So while it’s oh SOOO incredibly important to see what he does in the playoffs..it’s important because that’s when everyone plays and coaches ever play like it’s their last

    And this notion that the front office is gonna judge him by how he performs in this playoffs is COMPLETELY false…WE might judge him by how he does in the playoffs, but front office people get paid millions to be much more rational than us…FOles ISNT supposed to be playing like this, THIS SOON, ESPECIALLY considering how all we have done is jerk around his development since he arrived here…FOles no matter how good he plays during the regular season isn’t SUPPOSED to win a playoff game.. Not this year. Front office’s understand player development and natural progression of players..Traditionally pocket passers get about 25 games under their belt, then in his second or 3rd year he leads them to the playoffs and loses in the first round…and the following year, is when he is ready to get over the hump, win a playoff game and arrive as a contender….FOles doesn’t have to win anything after everything he has already shown so soon in his development…all he needs to do is NOT unravel, not have Dallas games, continue to work and improve on areas,..that’s how FOles will be judged this year. Not by what he wins and what he loses….

    Playoffs are a fun and exciting ride for everyone, but if FOles takes us to the playoffs after our starter got us off to a 1-4 start, then FOles has shown more then enough for the front office..what he does In the playoffs from an evaluation stand point is just playing with house money..
    ..
    Sure any team that makes the playoffs can get hot and win it all. Sure that playing in the playoffs is a chance to evaluate our guys against opponents playing at the highest level….but the Very best part of FOles leading us to the playoffs, is to get this experience under our belts, our young guys finding out what it takes, being able to cross a stage off of the natural progression list….we need to get to the playoffs and get bounced early, before we can ever get to the playoffs and go deep…so making the playoffs basically means our guys are getting a valuable and neccessary experience a year earlier than anyone thought

    • anon

      Ok tell that to the tons of stars that are great in the regular season and bad in the playoffs. We have two opposite examples in our division.

  • anon

    SF looks terrible.

    • jshort

      so do the skins. Want to trade Foles

      • anon

        Agree, but we’re trying to box out SF for a wild card spot.

        • jshort

          I know, but think we could hang with SF if we were to meet up.

          • anon

            I think we could beat SF if we meet up.

      • Wilbert31

        I’m glad we have Foles and our #1 pick next year instead of RG3.

  • Kev_H

    I don’t understand McManus’ need to denigrate performance or ignore facts. So far this season Foles has 16 TD passes and 0 interceptions. Only Peyton Manning has been able to do better ever. Tell me, when has someone led the league in passer rating week 11 as a flash in the pan? I don’t recall that ever happening, let alone a guy on a record pace. Foles is clearly a pretty good, potential great, NFL QB. Does he win a Super Bowl? Dan Marino didn’t. Fran Tarkenton didn’t. Foles IS on the Eagles. So maybe not, but I’m willing to bet the farm that nobody coming out of the draft in 2014 does as well as Foles next year and downplay them all you want, but the Eagles are as primed to win now and the next two years as they’ve ever been. It doesn’t make ANY sense at this point to consider anyone else as Eagles’ starting QB until after 2015 at the earliest (barring serious injury).

    • bentheimmigrant

      He didn’t denigrate anything. He said we know Foles is a competent NFL QB. We don’t know what he could be.

  • ICDogg