Zone Read: Eagles-Redskins, the Day After

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SNAP COUNTS


Offense:

 
Total Snaps
Percentage Of Snaps
QUARTERBACKS
Nick Foles66100%
RUNNING BACKS
LeSean McCoy5076%
Bryce Brown1523%
Chris Polk12%
WIDE RECEIVERS
DeSean Jackson6497%
Riley Cooper6192%
Jason Avant5279%
Jeff Maehl58%
Brad Smith12%
TIGHT ENDS
Brent Celek4467%
Zach Ertz3045%
James Casey711%

Offensively, the most noteworthy item was probably that Damaris Johnson was inactive, and Brad Smith dressed. Smith played one offensive snap, and I believe that was when DeSean Jackson needed a breather.

Chris Polk only played one offensive snap.

At tight end, Zach Ertz played 30+ snaps for the third consecutive game. James Casey continues to have a limited role with 11 snaps.

Defense:

 
Total Snaps
Percentage Of Snaps
DEFENSIVE LINE
Fletcher Cox6174%
Cedric Thornton5263%
Bennie Logan4555%
Vinny Curry3037%
Clifton Geathers1620%
Damion Square1620%
OUTSIDE LBs
Connor Barwin7895%
Trent Cole5466%
Brandon Graham2834%
Casey Matthews45%
INSIDE LBs
DeMeco Ryans82100%
Najee Goode7996%
CORNERBACKS
Cary Williams82100%
Roc Carmichael82100%
Brandon Boykin2632%
SAFETIES
Nate Allen82100%
Patrick Chung7187%
Kurt Coleman1417%

Vinny Curry has seen his role increase during the past five games. Remember, he wasn't even active the first time the Eagles played the Redskins.

Brandon Graham tied a season-high with 28 snaps. Part of that was because of Cole's injury.

Najee Goode filled in for Mychal Kendricks and played all but three snaps.

Kurt Coleman played in dime and also when Patrick Chung left with an injury.

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GUESSING THE LINE: EAGLES (-6.5)

We have two weeks until the Birds host Arizona. The Cardinals have quietly won three in a row and host the Colts next week. If they pick up a decisive win against Indy, this line could come down. But I’ll make the Eagles 6.5-point favorites for now.

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  • G_WallyHunter

    I didn’t want to do it but I had to

    second paragraph: now*

    I should just shut up given this free content we receive on a daily basis, I will, but know and now, cmon, I gotta

    • sdk152

      Fixed! Thanks! -SK

      • G_WallyHunter

        Did I just get aknowledged by The Sheil?
        Holy crap, god does exist

  • BlindChow

    “We all get together and do dinner every week. The front, the D-Line, the inside linebackers and the outside linebackers.”

    And they make Earl Wolff pay for it.

    • Kevin

      LOL – good one :) Good thing smoothies are cheap.

    • Richard Colton

      Catch the “unlimited soup, salad and breadsticks.” line? Please tell me the line isn’t going to Olive Garden pre game.

      egg noodles and Prego – ‘medigan food

      • theycallmerob

        Berwin is no player worthy of Olive Garden’s high standards. I doubt he can show his face in a CiCi’s. He is historically bad, and his rush skills have lowered the caliber of play. Clearly anyone outside of Philly is aware.
        Barkley would not stand for this. He will step in by week 14 and designate Panera as choice location for team bonding. Clearly more of a leader than all other QBs, time over again.

        • Andy124

          Berwin and Foles will not be invited. Nobody I talked to on the subway want them there. If they were allowed in CiCi’s, the place would be deserted and they’d lose money.

          • nicksaenz1

            No one at the Linc will be willing to pay their hard-earned money to go watch Nick Foles throw check-downs and INTs all game.

        • Richard Colton

          Cox deserved it, no doubt. But part of me was hoping Sheil would give the defensive game ball to Berwin, so you-know-who could squirm. Just because.

        • nicksaenz1

          That was beautiful. Come back, Dutch!

    • theycallmerob

      I figured they brought caseymatthews along, for the sole purpose of paying.

      • Richard Colton

        can we agree that Najee Goode should be playing ILB over that guy? And why is caseymatthews subbing at OLB? was it white boy day at the linc?

        • nicksaenz1

          “Nah, it ain’t white boy day”
          Najee Goode should be the first LB off the bench regardless of inside/outside.

          • Andy124

            They don’t view the ILB/OLB positions to be interchangeable. At all. Same as they don’t seem to consider slot corner/outside corner to be interchangeable.

          • Richard Colton

            Right? except for caseymatthews. He’s the one guy who does both ILB/OLB. badly. but both. makes him indispensable for some reason.

    • Chris
      • theycallmerob

        I think the most amazing part of that was Babin somehow tackled a RB. Must have tripped him on the way to the qb

  • theycallmerob

    With regard to your first “Can someone please explain” (the end of 1st half play)- the sack may have aggravated Foles shoulder, and the TO was a chance for Kelly to see how he was. If it was sore enough to not risk a deep ball (or another hit) and a turnover, I can see why they ran it.

  • BlindChow

    Barwin is probably just glad he didn’t go back to Houston this season!

  • Kevin

    Is it me, or do the Eagles look fresher than the teams they are playing on both Offense and Defense, especially late in games? It will be interesting to see if the Sports Science and Training translate into fresher legs late in the Season. It could be a distinct advantage.

    • BlindChow

      Imagine how they’ll look after a bye!

      • Kevin

        Especially since Palmer makes Foles look an all-world sprinter.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Yea agreed, a distinct advantage that will soon be copied, let’s just hope not as well

      • Kevin

        Teams will try, but unlike a play or a formation, this is a philosophy. It will be tough to copy as Chip built a program around it. IMO, that is what makes what Chip does so tough to copy. You have to fundamentally change the way you run an entire organization.

        • cliff henny

          yup, some credit has to be given to lurie. the whole organization went all-in with kelly. one of the reason saban had such a tough time in miami, he was battling ownership and front office.

          • theycallmerob

            I get the Lurie hate from some. But boy, IMO, it’s refreshing to have ownership that is
            (1) attached emotionally to the team and their play
            (2) willing to spend- some say otherwise, but we get the FAs we want and spend on coaching as well. Does a good job of keeping in-house talent. And he’s even making some upgrades to the stadium, according to “will of the fans”, as he says.
            (3) keeps out of the spotlight, and the headlines (i.e., doesn’t have to write an open letter defending our team name against calls of racism)
            (3) most importantly, keeps out of football decisions. I hope Jerrah lives forever

          • GEAGLE

            Hope Jerruh LIVES FOREVER, hope Shannahan gets a 5year extension

          • cliff henny

            i like making fun of trust fund jeffy, but do think he’s a good owner. tote, braman, been some rough ones to come thru town, let’s not get started on phillies

          • mtn_green

            Laurie does a great job, great organization through and through. Lurie had Reid for 14 years that is trust, and a sign of a good organization. The transition to Kelly has been smooth too. He changes practice practice, practice fields, culture, everything, with no sign of resistance. The whole coach organization structure was changed, Kelly booted really good players, DRC, Nnamdi, brought back controversial ones, Vick, no sign of problems. Lurie watched his team get shutout by the hated cowboys and stayed true to course.

            Eagles are too notch organization. Kelly saw that and jumped. If Kelly was still at Oregon the NCAA penalty would have been different he could have stayed.

    • evanphilly

      Great point. Shady looks rejuvenated after his lull a few weeks ago. Bye week will help this team immensely as well

      • nicksaenz1

        I usually hate a bye week this late, but for this team, it almost seems like it’s perfectly timed from a health standpoint.

  • Adam

    I just knew we were gonna read about that meaningless timeout, just like that replay last week. Please don’t write an article about it.

    • Richard Colton

      hahaha. If you were down here you would love the morning guy on WIP – he made the missed challenge the focal point of his show 2 days in a row. Shurmer had to go on the radio and defend himself. “ChallengeGate ’13″

      • Adam

        Oh I’ve tuned into the wonderful world of WIP. It’s good for a laugh if nothing else.

        • knighn

          At least, for the most part, they don’t seem to take themselves too seriously. Angelo makes fun of himself all of the time.

  • Explorer51

    Hopefully after a quietly efficient game yesterday, we won’t have to deal with any “will Nick Foles start against Arizona” chatter. As I’ve posted several times, the guy hasn’t even played a whole season of games yet but he is learning every week; you can see his confidence growing each game. Will he make mistakes, sure, but I don’t think he will make them over and over. Of course, there will be some who still will say that he’s a product of luck, etc but I’m hoping that he continues to prove them foolishly stubborn. And after this season, we’ll see if he is worth building around or that we need to go in another direction. But at least he is giving us a chance this year, which not many thought was possible.

    • Kevin

      There is a great article on Eagles Rewind (http://eaglesrewind.com/) about QB rating over appearances. It is very interesting to see how Foles compares to other QB’s. Not saying he is a franchise QB, but you have to be impressed with what the kid is doing. Even to have your name mentioned with Brady and Manning records, is something.

      • Explorer51

        Thanks for the heads-up! I don’t think anyone should prudently declare anyone a franchise anything but let’s just enjoy and appreciate what he is doing…meanwhile, let him grow and learn. If he deserves to be the starter next year and beyond he will either earn it or not.

    • JofreyRice

      I think at a count of 3, he’s already strung together more quality starts than Andy Dalton has in his entire career. Now, saying he’s better than Andy Dalton may not mean a lot, but I think it means something–because they treat Dalton as if he is a “franchise QB”. It also shows that Foles is capable–in theory–of some consistency over the kind of stretch you’d need to win in the playoffs.

      Totally agree with Sheil here, despite the lower QB rating, this was clearly a superior game to the GB outing. Some of the placement and touch on those passes was just awesome. Was impressed by his throws in this game. Green Bay was OK, but this was very good.

  • nicksaenz1

    Unlimited soup, salad, and breadsticks… are they going to Olive Garden every week?

  • Weapon Y

    I wonder how the other guys on the team feel about Kelce bad mouthing “hazardous pieces” on the defensive line and secondary. He didn’t refer to them by name, but Babin, Nnamdi, and DRC sure sound like major divas just as we thought. I don’t know if any of our guys are friends with any of them, but that might make things a little awkward. From what I’ve heard, though, I can’t say I disagree with Kelce.

    • theycallmerob

      Kelce speaks his mind freely re: almost all subjects. I reckon since he keeps doing it, Kelly either (1) agrees or (2) doesn’t care. I mean, he is right most of the time. I’d be surprised if most of the guys left from last year would disagree.
      Plus, who’s gonna stand up to that beard anyway? not many players in the nfl ballsy enough to call out a hybrid lumberjack-viking

      • nicksaenz1

        Makes a fireman look like a pansy.

        • knighn

          Maybe not a American Fireman, but a Canadian Fireman, Definitely!

          • nicksaenz1

            Touche

        • cliff henny

          gotta wonder what incognito and pauncey did to danny. he may still be curled up in a ball in the corner

          • nicksaenz1

            That’s a good question. He’s as old as Incognito so probably nothing. I bet Danny was doing some hazing himself haha.

          • BlindChow

            You know, their problems didn’t start until Danny Watkins showed up in their locker room…

          • Richard Colton

            ohh man. that’s true. Danny the Albatross. Can we get him traded to Dallas?

          • BlindChow

            They’ve got our other one, Demetress Bell.

    • JofreyRice

      I wondered that earlier in the season, but if you read him week to week, he’s very candid when he’s played poorly, as well.

  • aub32

    Can anyone please explain to me what happened to the offense in the 3rd and fourth quarter. Foles looked really good but then Fox decided to change the game. I was only able to see the final defensive stop on RZ. What caused the offense to stall out? Penalties? Dropped passes? Foles? Taking our foot off the gas?

    • nicksaenz1

      Foot off gas.

    • Andy124

      IMO, mostly taking the air out of the ball and foot off the gas. There were also some badly missed blocks and costly penalties, which helped the taking the air out of the ball tactic to fail.

      • BlindChow

        There was only one penalty on the offense in the 2nd half after the last touchdown.

        • Andy124

          Edited to reflect the correction.

    • theycallmerob

      couple things:
      in the 3rd, skins only had the ball 6 min. We scored first possession after half, 13 play/5+ min drive, big 3rd down conversion by Ertz and 4th by B. Brown.
      2- Mccoy went -3 on 1st down and Foles sack 2nd, forced 3/out,
      3- all runs, with Bryce stuffed on 3rd/1
      in the 4th, skins got the two kinda-BS touchdowns (chung/cole collided, FB takes it in, then the bomb the WR made a play on when Roc got spun around). the Eags possession in the 4th were:
      1- Herremans had costly hold on 2nd down, bryce stuffed on 4th/1.
      2- Foles converted to Coop on 3rd/6, few plays later McCoy got -5 on a 2nd/7, stalled that drive. OLBs were much improved against the run all half.
      3- the possession Foles scrambled on 3rd down, ruled 1st but Shanny challenged, overturned (4th/inches) Kelly didn’t go for it, and Donnie boomed a punt.

      All things considered, not a bad half. they got the two scores on two big plays. 2 costly penalties, 2 big stuffs of Bryce, and 2 bad runs by McCoy. Foles was pretty consistent all game.

      • A Roy

        I’m guessing McCoy was arguing with Foles on the sideline because he was reminding him who was the professional running back. Wish they had found a way to step on Washington’s collective throats while they were down.

      • Kevin

        Agreed! If you look at the comeback, it was on a blown coverage to a full back where Trent and (Chung/Allen – not sure which one) collided, And a badly underthrown ball that the Skin’s WR made a great play on. The D punished RGIII all game, and didn’t all a 100 yard rusher.
        If Foles makes those throws, he is ‘lucky’. It caught up to RGIII on the last play when he pulled an Eli Manning. Close your eyes and pray for Tyree.

        • quarterback pessimist

          It was Chung.

      • OregonDucker

        Thanks for the rundown rob. I was blocked by Fox so I was curious as to what happened. Looks like the Eagles can win consistently. The next 5 games will tell where we go from here.

    • Andy124

      Apparently, you got downvoted for letting Fox change the game. Don’t make that mistake again. It really killed a lot of our bloggers here.

    • cliff henny

      same happened to me. whoa i was pissed. been at this long enough, 24-0 with quarter and 3/4 left and losing wouldnt even been in top 10 bad loses.

    • BlindChow

      75/25 run to pass ratio, starting right after our final TD in the 3rd quarter. Looked like the Redskins stacked the box expecting us to run, and Kelly obliged them.

    • EaglePete

      ya same happened to me and right away I was thinking 24 is not impossible to come back from. Sure enough they got it to one score, kept checking back and they still had lions game on because it was close the whole way. Annoying for sure. Finally Im thinking I get to see a whole game, nope. Also didnt want to leave to go to bar come 3rd quarter.

  • GEAGLE

    Crazy how much negativity sorrounded the Barwin signing…and why? Because his stats went from 11 to 4 last year? Hardly told the story…glad everyone is understanding why I was jumping for Joy over the signing…

    The man played possessed yesterday and continues to bat a ball down almost every game. The BRAMA bull is such a stud. Can’t wait til he is playing opposite of a Mr. Mayhem pass rusher at OLB, then people will see how good this guy really is..grossly under rated player…
    ….
    We all acknowledge what an amazing coaching job this staff is doing, but I think a lot of props have to go to Cary, Barwin, And Meco for really whipping the defense into shape and bringing that fire. Toughness, competitive streak and professionalism into our defensive locker room…
    ….
    We started to become a good defense, now we are really starting to become a NASTY defense. the drought of big hits is over…and this isn’t some veteran defense filled with MAXed out potential, these guys might be opperating at like 70% right now of what they will grow into

    • cliff henny

      even graham looked like he wanted to play yesterday. no doubt you win with talent in nfl, but coaching and lockerroom counts.

      • GEAGLE

        Graham and Cole…we got some serious production opposite of the BRAMA Bull yesterday…I had a very close view of the action, and it was a disgrace how the referees let that Oline get away with holding us blatantly…I remember a play Thorton got passed his guy! the dude was behind Thorton! and he managed to slow Thornton down….no flag…smh

        • cliff henny

          cole rushed really well, not sure why they ran sweeps barwin’s way when cole was getting steamrolled. cole needs to be nickle rush specialist, get that olbr you want.

          • GEAGLE

            Amen,,,an OLB who COMMANDS attention, and then makes that attention, his BITCH would do wonders for the other 10 men on the he field

          • cliff henny

            every win is making that guy harder and harder to get. you started off hoping for barr, not even sure shazier will be around at this pace. maybe van noy will tumble, he seems perfect fit

          • theycallmerob

            if you haven’t yet, watch cut-ups of Khalil Mack. The same video that sold me last week apparently also sold Kempski- his play against Ohio St. Best player on field.
            http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/Grocery-shopping-5-college-players-to-watch-today-who-could-be-Eagles-draft-targets-10.html

          • cliff henny

            he’s 6th ranked right behind barr at 4th. even if eagles lose out, will be picking 12th, afc has some bad teams.

            site updates weekly and include underclassmen who probably will declare. shazier 19th and vannoy 31st, also attaochu out of ga tech, kid can play, be there in 3rd.

            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/OLB

          • nicksaenz1

            He needs a few more lbs, a few moves, and a little more consistency getting off blocks, from what I’m seeing on the tape. I know he’s not going to get off of every block so cleanly, but he seemed to get help up on blocks a good bit. Def a hell of an athlete, though. Wouldn’t be mad.

          • GEAGLE

            Love that kid…watched the entire OSU game, and that practically sealed it for me after dominating that game…I like that he already has the size! where as a stud like Beasly will need to add size his first year like Dion is doing now..

            Keep in mind that the kids we view as locks in the top 5, could all fall after the picking, prodding draft process unfolds..All it takes is one of these kids running a slow combine, or arms measuring two inches shorter than expected and they can fall into trade range where now it doesn’t seem likely..
            ..
            And in TODAYS NFL, no matter how good the defensive prospect, I’m never surprised to nee a team pass on him for an offensive player…OT is the sexy, sure thing high draft pick these days, and Lewan and Mathews are good enough prospects to make a team surprisingly pass on a defensive stud

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Mack is drawing a lot of attention from scouts recently. Did you happen to take a look at Aaron Lynch (OLB 6’6″) that Kempski mentioned in that scribe? You have to look at two sets of tape on him. Check out Notre Dame Aaron Lynch & USF game cuts. Lynch is #19 in both.

            As a freshman at ND, Lynch was an absolute man among boys. A total friggin BEAST. He was also 270lbs.

            He then transferred to USF, sat out 2012 & lost 25lbs. Completely different player at 244lbs for USF.

            But damn, I kid you not, at 270lbs he was a MONSTER. Such as shame.

          • GEAGLE

            True…but we are bout to go on a tough stretch of 5 games and I wouldn’t count on winning 4 or 5 of those games. if we trade Graham, we will have 7 picks in the first 5 rounds…Barr and Clowney is serious wishful thinking…but Mack or Van Noy will most likely be in trading range wherever we end up picking…
            ..
            We have boatloads of money to spend in FA, so we don’t DESPERATELY need to add 7 rookies in the first 5 rounds..I would not be upset at using 3 picks to get a serious OLB

          • cliff henny

            what do you think graham is worth? i see zero reason anyone would trade for him. why take on 1yr rental at 3.5m when get similar player for less in free agency and have more control if he pops.
            .
            vannoy might be there in early 2nd.

          • GEAGLE

            No idea what you can get for him, and you are absolutely right…but because he plays an extremely valuable position,and we got a 5th for Soap who’s contract is up atthe same time as Graham, there is still a glimmer of hope that we can get a pick for him, but there is no way we can expect anything higher than a 4th, and even that is probably high

          • cliff henny

            didnt get a 5th, got 10 spots. sop had more value as most of his salary was already paid for by eagles. sop was only thru end of the yr, pats pay him 500k and he’s gone.
            .
            if howie can get a 4th or a 5th, he better say yes and hang up the phone before the other gm finishes the ‘th’ part. i’d personally let graham play backup roll and not eat the 3.5m, he doesnt stink, and we might not get as lucky with injuries as so far this yr.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I too can live with him as depth for a year. Wouldn’t be against him at all..if we draft an OLB and keep Graham and Cole,I won’t ever have to see Casey line up at OLB, and anything that accomplishes that, works for me

          • cliff henny

            and after ’14, alot cheaper to move on from, cap wise. after the way cole played, he’s 6.6m sal vs 4.8m dead, i cant see finding someone as 3rd down rush specialist equal to him for 1.8m. that’s the cole we all grew to love sundays! man, nothing better than watching eagles beat the crap out of a qb!!!

          • nicksaenz1

            I want to see Cole continue that play before we go locking him in for next year. He piles up 5 more in the next 5 I’ll be okay with it as bridge between now and ’15 when he’s out.

        • BlindChow

          Redskins fans are complaining about holding from our Oline. Looks like the refs may have called the game pretty evenly.

          Speaking of which, reading the despair in the comment section of Redskins blogs this morning is pure gold…

    • Richard Colton

      I’m really starting to see the 3-4 now. Shame about Graham. Between the injury and the conversion to OLB, he just never had a chance. Shame we won’t be able to get anything for him, because some pass-rush hungry 4-3 team is going to get a good player for next to nothing.

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah, I’m getting the impression that it’s going to be one of ythose situations were Graham will go to another team and make us look bad…Graham and Cole make too much money for the production they bring to the most important role in a 3-4 Defense..

        neither Cole or Graham would bring us compensation we would like to get for moving them but they can’t both be here next year..Since Barwin is being backed up by Casey ugly duckling, I guess you could keep both and add a rook for a year, but financially is doesn’t make much sense…if you aren’t going to extend Graham’s contract! then any compensation is better than losing him next year for nothing..

        Its almost cheaper to keep Cole next year than to trade him..so I would trade Graham for the highest draft pick you can find, draft a SPECIAL pash rush OLB talent(even if you have to use a few picks to move up and go get him)..Let Cole Start the year as the rook takes more and more of his snaps every week..then by Midseason! their Roles switch and Cole becomes a specialist…
        ….
        Van NOy is a heckuva OLB, who I view as a Barwin caliber OLB at the next level, he most likely will still be on the board when we pick even if we finish with a good record, and we would be fortunate to have him..The only player I would be really OK with passing On a OLB for is Mike Evans WR..but if Barr falls within 10 draft spots of where we pick? I’d seriously consider going to get him. A special OLB can have such an incredible effect on the rest of the defense, and we don’t have the 10 roster spots to still turnover that people thought we would have to adress this offseason…
        …l
        Nates second round contract will come off the books, add Vick contract to that and you practically have Jarius Byrd money

        We got a 5th for Soap, parlay Graham into a 4th, wishful thinking a 3rd( even if you have to give up a 7th rounder or swap draft positions in another round)…We would have:
        One First
        One Second
        ONe 3rd
        two 4ths
        Two 5ths

        Dolphins gave up their 2nd rounder to move up 9 spots all the way to #3 to get Dion.if Barr falls to 5 or 6 and we are picking 15th, instead of giving up our second rounder, maybe we could swap 1st rounders(landing Barr), give them a 3rd a 5th and a 5th the following year..We would have Barr and still have our second rounder to draft a WR. We wouldn’t have a 3rd rounder, but we still would have two 4th rounders and a 5th…..and as long as our NEW personel department can pluck Earl Wolff quality of players with 4th and 5th round picks…I’d be willing to give that up for a player like Barr who takes your defense to the next level

        • Richard Colton

          I haven’t seen VanNoy. Doubt we’ll be close to Clowney or Barr.

          • GEAGLE

            It will depend on how desperate these desperate teams get for QBs in the top 5..also, most of the Teams drafting at the top of the draft, who don’t need QBs and we assume will draft Clowney or Barr, those teams all have DESPERATE needs at OLINE…Mathews and Lewan are not chopped liver! and OT is now the sexy safe pick to. Are at the top of round 1, so it’s not complete unit of the question that after a strong senior bowl and Combine, a team who we think will draft Barr! end up going with one of the OTs…

            I’m sure you have seen Van Noy…when everyone was watching Ziggy Ansah film last march, Van Noy was the disruptive Monster who kept showing up all over the field in Ziggy highlight reels

          • cliff henny

            barr would have to freefall to even get within tradeup range.

          • GEAGLE

            I think the X factors are:
            Marriotta, what he ends up doing and can he rebound his image during the draft process..

            Manziel, Hundley or some other Quarterback getting over drafted by the Vikings, texans or whatever QB desperate teams draft in the top 5…

            Teams who don’t need QBs, but have a closing window to win with the veteran QBs that they have:
            Giants
            Falcons
            Sure we assume that those teams will go with the stud pass rusher, but they both could really really use an OT

            half the mocks have Barr and Clowney both in the top 5, the Other half have Barr falling to 7…We aren’t going to win the next 5 games. if Barr falls to 7, NOT LIKELY, but not completely out of the question…it’s not crazy to think we draft 16 or 17…and if there are only 10 draft spots between us and him, then I strongly consider going up to get a pass rush force that would make life easier for the 10 players who take the field with him…
            ….
            A lot of IFs, but not impossible..

            Van Noy is pretty consistently slotted at the 17-23 range…
            The mocking computer is struggling for a consensus for Mack and Beasly. Some have Mack going as high as 7(those mocks have Barr and Clowney both in the top 5) and Beasly at 11…others have Mack falling to 15-17 and Beasly in the 20′s

          • Richard Colton

            Bowl Games…NFL Combine…Pro-days

            A lifetime from now. I loved the video Rob linked – made me an even bigger Mack fan. Hopefully he’ll slug an executive in an interview and fall to us at 22.

          • GEAGLE

            Fall to 15 and I would gladly trade up for the small school beast

          • Andy124

            This feels so weird to type, but I think the odds of us winning the East are pretty far above 50% at this point, meaning we’d be drafting 21st or worse.

          • Richard Colton

            I’d look at it this way Andy. We aren’t losing the 9th pick in the draft, we’re picking up an extra first rounder for free. ‘Cause if we’re drafting 24th, we don’t need a QB.

          • cliff henny

            it’s also a very deep draft at the 2 position of need, lb and wr. be great to get a barr or evans, but shazier and moncrief with eagles coaching staff wont be a huge issue.

          • GEAGLE

            SOOO true. I trust our personel department (crazy huh?), and I trust placing young prospects in this locker room! with these coaches

          • Andy124

            And just for the record, I was among those who considered the playoffs to be completely unrealistic, even considering the crappy state of the NFCE… my bad.

          • Richard Colton

            me too. it’s why I didn’t want Vick to win the job in preseason. Happy to have been wrong.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I like your means of reasoning. Hitting on Foles would be a major positive to the rebuild process. I’m enjoying the moment, but also looking fwd to see how he performs down this final stretch where the division win is at stake. But I agree, if we’re picking as a playoff team, he’s sealed the deal on his spot at the helm.

            And if for some reason Foles finishes strong but does end up proving to be fools gold, the consolation prize is that we’d already have filled some pretty important pieces to the puzzle and be bringing a young QB into an even better situation.

          • Richard Colton

            well put.

          • nicksaenz1

            Both Giants and Falcons def need O-line help. That’s for sure.

          • Richard Colton

            and D-line. moribund franchises, both of them. Eli the Mongoloid and Matty Tepid.

          • cliff henny

            Barr is top5, unless he gets popped for blow or something crazy. wont fault you for dreaming, but no way is barr available if we are doing this with reason. mack, small school, could fall. beasley scares me, he is tweener in the most andy reid sense of the word. have you watched the kid out of georgia tech attaochi, he is rush olb, size speed was all clemson could handle, was beating doulbe teams most of the night.

          • GEAGLE

            Which teams would DEFINITELY pass on OT and QB and draft a defender at the top of the draft?

            All it takes is a slower than expected combine, arms measuring two inches shorter than expected…or a team to decide that THEY have to get Eli and Matty Ice some blocking, and Barr can fall 3 spots lower than we expect today….and I’m not ready to say that we are going to be so good that we wll be drafting #21 overall

          • cliff henny

            yeah, not to negadelphian, but if i’m being honest, still think eagles are 2nd to dallas in nfceast. puts them picking in 16-19 range with 8-8, lot of bad afc teams..and that’s tremendous, i’d taken that as my ultimate best case scenerio 4 months ago. if looking how things shake out based upon that cbs site i posted below, it’s either evans, or olb and would not complain if used a couple picks to move up 5-8 spots to get mack or evans. Barr is just ridiculous, cant see him falling to far. also, eagles really werent all that active this last draft. i can recall us chatting thinking they’d should be extremely active, and they just kind of let the board do the work and let kelly coach them up.

          • GEAGLE

            All true….Ziggy and Dion were pretty high valued pass rush specialist and they didn’t come off the board til #3 and #5, and that was in a draft where not a single QB went in the top 5 so while it’s not likely, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him fall to 7, but you are probably right…I just want a special pass rusher, and a special explosive big body possession WR….and if we spend some money in FA, I wouldn’t mind giving up a few draft picks moving up to get our guy

          • cliff henny

            and i still want mike evans!!!!!!!

          • GEAGLE

            You and be both brother, I just have no idea what to make of him…does he beast the draft process and go in the top 7? Or does he fall to 19?

          • cliff henny

            he’s a falling candidate, i bet. he wont have the crazy 40. that might scare teams. lee and sammy watkins will, plus maybe a robinson might slip in there. but i’ve watched plenty of his games, i’ve never seen him chased down from behind, and thats SEC corners. plus, they get there and he just techmo bo jackson shakes them off.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t care where he falls to…would love him in eagles green

          • nicksaenz1

            Will he be there at 32??? I kid.

          • anon

            Since we’ll be picking in the late 20s i think we go s / CB and use some money in FA, we have a stupid amount of money for upgrades.

          • GEAGLE

            CB is one of the last positions I expect us to draft in round 1 this year, so we might have to agree to disagree…I can see us drafting a TE in the 20s before we draft a CB this year

          • Andy124

            I’d actually put CB as a more easily upgradeable position than safety at this point. Allen > (Sconces + Fletcher’s fragility). So surprising.

            OLB is the unanimous top need. After that, WRCBSOL are all close enough that BPA isn’t going to get affected much at all by “need weighting”.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’d probably put CB 2nd on the list as far as importance behind WOLB. Then WROLS. I like Fletch but his body won’t seem to hold up. Cary is ok, but definitely upgradeable. I agree that an OLB pass rushing menace will help the secondary but I just think Cary is very limited as far as coverage skills. He’s good at keeping the play in front of him, but when he’s matched up one on one, he often loses. I would just feel so much better with an upgrade at CB to compliment the WOLB.

          • JofreyRice

            Gee, I just don’t see it with that Dallas team. The defense is putrid–which makes Foles’ meltdown in that game even weirder.

            With RGII not being the guy he was pre-injury, I think the Giants present the biggest threat; and I don’t think the Giants are that good, either. I think the Eagles can take the division.

          • cliff henny

            Ware comes back healthy and they can get Romo some time with dez & witten, with easier schedule, plus home game vs eags and they can be game behind since own tiebreaker. i just see them falling slightly short…again, that is way WAY more than i expected. ask me now i’ll feel a yr from now, be shocked if ’14 eagles arent winning division in week 15 or 16.

          • nicksaenz1

            Giants have to win Sunday against Dallas. It’s the best case scenario. Gives us a 1 game lead on Dallas who have a remaining schedule comparable to ours. While the lead against NY would shrink to 1 game, their schedule is pretty tough afterward, with WSH twice, CHI, SEA, and SD.

          • Richard Colton

            Not unlike the Dolphins scenario from last year…sorry…not sure if you’re still hurting from that.

          • GEAGLE

            Tough to cry over Dion when Lane is poised to become one of the top 5 players to come out of this draft class..kid really has turned the corner these past few week, and I think we are going to see a probowl stud for the next decade

          • GEAGLE

            Barr is a Von Miller type of Force..Van Noy is a Barwin type at the next level

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But isn’t Van Noy the same type of player as Barwin? We need a pass rush specialist to compliment Barwin on the weak side.

    • JofreyRice

      Had to do with the way he was incredibly inefficient at rushing the passer in Houston, and the thought that he’d be doing that majority here. He’s still not a great passrusher, but is smart enough to put his hands up, and it sounds like he’s a good locker room guy. They also seem to realize that sending him at the QB 95% of the time isn’t the best way to use him. Still just a solid player at best, need a real rush OLB on the other side.

      I do agree that the defense looks a lot better, in terms of the way they’re working as a unit. There are still a lot of individual breakdowns, but they are starting to look like something that is greater than the sum of it’s parts; which, yes, would imply good coaching.

  • Broadcasting Wisdom

    Just a comment on defenses stacking the line and playing tight man with single high safety “daring” Nick Foles to beat them… I watched first half of the Chiefs/Broncos game last night and several times the Chiefs had 10 guys within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Perhaps defenses are starting to realize that with the current O-friendly rules, the only way to stop quick-strike offenses is to bump receivers at line, try to take away the WR screens and short stuff, and make these offenses connect on a big play over the top (Manning missed on at least two go routes to D. Thomas).

    I think it’s relevant that the Chiefs played this way against the best quarterback of the decade, so to the extent there’s an element of “Defenses don’t respect Nick Foles because they play this way,” I think that is overstated.

    • Andy124

      Very interesting. This takes me back to my request to the awesome men who run this site to track #men in the box by % of snaps.

      Yahoo or some major outlet needs to pick up this stat and track it for all games so we can get an idea of who’s play how against who.

      • theycallmerob

        Well, I’d re-post my question too, but luckily found an answer

        re: Team Net Turnover Points
        2013- #8 in league, +23 (53 takeaway pts, 30 giveaway pts)*
        2012- #30 in league, -89 (40/-129). Also,

        Over the 2012 NFL season, the average Net Turnover Points among NFL teams was 0. The top 5 NFL teams averaged a Net Turnover Points of 61.8 while the bottom 5 teams averaged a Net Turnover Points of -80.2

        *- includes the Barkley Factor

        Kelly has stressed the importance of this. Nice to see progress

        http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-net-turnover-points-statistics/2012/

        • Andy124

          Top notch research sir.

        • Mikeq

          Is there any factoring in points lost due to giveaways in that stat? For instance, what did Barkley have among his giveaways, 2 red zone ints and a red zone fumble? Probably not good science to guess what kind of score a red zone turnover cost the giveaway team, but to be even more accurate seems there should be some factor concerning where the turnover happened. A lost fumble at the opponent’s one might not have led to points for the takeaway team, but it surely cost the giveaway team 3 if not 7.

          • theycallmerob

            I tried to separate out individual stats, but could not find it tracked anywhere. So, based on play-by-plays:

            vs. DAL: had 1 INT called back. 1st INT at the DAL 37; DAL did not score. 2nd INT on the Iggs 29, intercepted deep at DAL 37. DAL did not score. 3rd INT in the DAL end zone (cost at least 3, maybe 7). vs. DAL, -3 at least, maybe -7

            vs. NYG: fumbled at NYG 2. -3 at least, most likely -7. NYG did not score; right before half. Turned ball over on downs (fumble also on play, but picked up quickly) at NYG 32 in the 3rd. Cost us maybe -3; NYG did not score. Had last INT on the last drive from deep in own territory, NYG just knelt down after that. vs. NYG, -3 at least, more than likely -7

            vs. OAK: no TOs

            It appears Barkley cost us at minimum -6, at most -14. Let’s average that to -10. Would just move us up 1 spot in the rankings to #7 past the Pats (CHI is at #6, +41, 18 more than us).

          • Mikeq

            Good stuff rob. Of course those types of turnovers happen to everyone else too. Like most stats I guess, they give one a good way to evenly compare everyone but shouldn’t be the last word on the subject. I’d add in a severe penalty for any team dumb enough to give their backup running back a jump pass option on a run play from the opponent’s 1 yard line, but that’s just me.

          • Mikeq

            Now you got me thinking about that Maclin fumble vs SF last year. I think SF just did the kneel down after it, so it goes down as a net 0 in the stat. But because of when and where it happened in the game it was devastating. Probably single handedly turned a win into a loss. Seems like that kind of turnover should be tagged as much more significant somehow. There are probably people who do break it down like that, and I just don’t know about it.

        • nicksaenz1

          Thank you for denoting the Barkley Factor.

  • theycallmerob

    re: the game ball winner:
    “If he’d have caught that second interception, I might have moved him to safety,” said defensive coordinator Billy Davis.

    Memo to NFL QBs: Don’t be throwing your balls anywhere near Cox Island.

    Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/Handing-out-10-awards-from-the-Eagles-Redskins-game-2.html#SWfB18QVM1pQxsZJ.99

    Cox Island. Tremendous nickname for our star DL and the next great porno.

    • Chris

      laughing way too loudly at work

    • G_WallyHunter

      Robs gonna get us all fired

      “HEY! G_Wally!! Get off Birds and work!!”

      • theycallmerob

        your boss calls you G_Wally? badass

        • Andy124

          Mr. Hunter when he’s in trouble.

        • Chris

          He actually calls him G underscore Wally – have to pronounce it correctly.

        • G_WallyHunter

          lol reddit style. MUST MAINTAIN ANONYMITY

    • Mr. Wu

      yeah well….I would stay away from cox island too

    • Jerry Pomroy

      My favorite from that was JK’s artwork of Foles sliding. Cracked me up, along with his Cox reference.

    • reb

      Whoa! Someone on philly dot com posted an article worth reading? I haven’t even looked at that site since Sheil moved here. Maybe it’s worth another look…

  • Andy124

    I know we all already know this, but if you haven’t already, go to your favorite stats website and sort the QBs by rating. Is that not one of the most beautiful things you’ve ever seen?

    Then remind yourself that the Debacle against Dallas is included in that number. Brings a tear to the eye.

    • pjcostello

      Actually, the Debacle was at the Linc…

      • Andy124

        Thanks.

  • EaglePete

    Great great win. Who wouldve thought after last season, the change of schemes on both sides of the ball and this team is in first heading into the bye. Oh and now has a QB. Halle friggin lujah, good times indeed

  • anon

    Draft? I say BPA except don’t take a RB, TE, or QB in the first 5 rds…Draft is before FA deadline so if you whiff you can just buy someone.

    • cliff henny

      TE will be in 5th Lyoria out of Oregon. him and ertz, done looking for TEs for 7yrs

      • Richard Colton

        Maybe take a flyer on Hernandez when he gets out of prison in three years? I’m thinking its a manslaughter plea deal.

        • cliff henny

          he may never see light of day again. what a waste. lyoria was just a bit rebellious, not hazardous to society. and 5th, take a flyer.

          • Andy124

            What did he do to get dismissed from Oregon?

          • Andy124

            Apparently, the cocain bust was after he left the team and was “preparing for the draft”.

            Kinda scary, but I definitely wouldn’t take him off the board for that. Kelly will have great insight into his character and football potential, so I’d be pretty comfortable that the Eagles know what they’re doing if they draft him.

          • cliff henny

            think he was just disgruntled, and sure oregon knew about drugs long before bust, unless he was the unluckiest druggie to get popped on 1st possession. he was 1/2, now not playing, freefalling to 6-7th round.
            .
            this is johnny geagle’s guy, he’ll have the whole skinny on him. freak athlete is all i know, just a beast of a blocker. he’s not getting tackled on the 1 like celek

          • Richard Colton

            Is Colt even playing this year? I’d love to get another young athletic TE in here.

        • nicksaenz1

          I hate saying it. He should be locked up for life, but he has a lot going for him in the recanting/changing of the story from his 2 stooges, the fact that there’s no weapon, yet (despite tons money wasted trying to find it), and the judge who is apparently combative with prosecution won’t recuse herself because the DA’s office has other prosecutors they can use if they don’t want to deal with her. The DA has a bit of an uphill climb. Won’t be shocked if they win or lose this case, but I don’t see Hernandez taking a deal knowing all of this.

          Point: I’d take him in Philly if he had an ankle monitor.

          • Richard Colton

            the ankle monitor might slow him down, but he’s still be better than Clay Harbor

          • nicksaenz1

            Couldn’t he talk to Mike to figure out how to operate with one?

  • theycallmerob

    Re: the snap counts

    Sheil- Brandon and the BGN squad beat you to it. Stand by your words!

    http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2013/11/18/5117714/philadelphia-eagles-washington-redskins-week-11-snap-counts

    • Andy124

      So the more playing time BG gets, the more sacks TC gets. Mystery solved.

  • Will

    Now on to Arizona cards…

    • GEAGLE

      Hate this game. Scares me!! Solid run defense, and I’m scared at their ability to match Patterson and the honey badger against Desean. Our Oline has to really play one of the best games of their season! give FOles some extra time to wait for Desean to get loose while keeping Nicky boy from having to take brutal shots to deliver them ball…thank god for Nicks size..wouldn’t want to see Vick throwing thru the up stretched arms of Caleus Cambell. Wouldn’t mind seeing us get Ertz Matched up with honey badger, as long as Folesy throws It up and away…
      ..
      We are going to need our offense and special teams to have a solid and more IMPORTANTLY Clean game against Zona. Don’t turn the ball over and our defense will be stout enough to win this game..we are getting to the point where we will force two turnovers per game so if you play a clean game you are going to get your opportunities to win..If both teams play a clean game and don’t turn the ball over..I like our defense to keep them out of the ENDZONE and hold them to 3 more than I like their chances of keeping us out of the ENDZONE.

      AR turned this team into a mess. 1 offseason, and half a season and Kelly has transformed our special teams. Polk was making awesome tackles, Punter was fantastic, Boykin was downing the ball inside the 5. ST really helped us yesterday..

      Kelly transformed a sloppy, turnover prone offense who sucked in the redzone into a really efficient bunch. With help from the RAINMAKER at QB you saw referees take Cooper are Celeks long TDs away, and still we punched it right in from the ENDZONE..Before Chip, we would be settling for 3 points when refs took those TDs away.

      Take the first four games out of the equation and this is probably a top 5 defense who just gets better and nastier every week, no matter who is injured. And the best part is we probably still haven’t seen the best of Cox,Mykal,CUrry, Wolff, Logan,Graham yet…Heck, I still don’t even think Cary and Bradley are maxed out yet. They are veterans in terms of years, but neither really had more than 2 years of game experience under their belt before coming here…and as a whole, there is no way that a group which is ONLY been together for 8 months is operating at more than 70% of it’s potential, and fortunately it seems we have the coaching and the locker room leadership that will keep guys hungry, focused and working!!!

      If I hear one more national DOPE bad mouth THIS defense, a CHIP Kelly OFFENSE or Nick not being a CHIP KELLY FRANCHISE QB, I will travel to their place of business and smack them in the mouth!! I demand some respectful Eagles coverage..I’m talking to you Phil Sims you blow hard

  • KobraKai7474

    Regarding the timeout at the end of the half, you don’t get a refund if they go unused. What is the harm in taking one and talking things over? If the coaches upstairs had seen something in Washington’s defense that was worth trying to exploit in this situation, there is no harm in taking a few minutes to discuss. The Eagles always maintained the option of doing exactly what they did, which was protect the football and the halftime lead. It sure beats doing something stupid like risking a pick-6 on a third and long at the end of the half in a game in which you are dominating on both sides of the football.

  • addicted2mula

    Nick Foles is leading QB rating 128.0. Manning with 118.3 .Rogers 108.0. Brees 106.7 . thought I throw that in there

  • Andy

    Barwin has great hair.

  • Bobby

    Barwin is consistent. Never has a quiet game, always makes plays and is a great tackler. Love the way he uses his length to knock down balls at the line. Guy is a true stud. Happy he’s on the Birds! Yesterday was great though, the D as a whole all played very well. It was a treat to be just as excited to watch our D play as well as out offense, and it’s been years since I could say that. P.s. Nate Allen, I apologies for throwing you under the bus in the beginning of the season. Finally got your swag, keep it up! It’s also pretty apparent that cry baby RG3 has rubbed off on the dead skins entire squad. Either that or philly fans not only egged their bus but also slipped their whole team estrogen pills. Womp Womp Womp. Sorry for some of the miss spelling, freaking auto correct and my cell won’t let me correct for some odd reason.

  • joeknowsnada

    Ok, so, maybe Howie got it right, this season, FINALLY? “His” depth additions are performing when called upon, his main pickups (Barwin, Fletcher and Williams) have been “solid” to outstanding, and “his” draft picks, Cox, Kendricks, Logan, et. al., are steadily improving and contributing. And, Earl Wolff looks like a player.
    He “missed” on Sopoaga, but, then again, Bill B. in NE took him on, in a TRADE (what?), so, maybe, he just didn’t fit what the Eagles are trying to do (and he is too over-the-hill to be a starter).

    Things could change quickly, for the worse, but, from here, with a bye week, etc., it looks like it’s gonna be a nice ride.
    Shows you how important having the right guys in a locker room can be, to the coaches and the players.
    Personally, it was easy to question the dedication and effort of a lot of guys over the last two seasons. I really like THIS team.