Wake-Up Call: Kendricks ‘Humble And Hungry’

USATSI_7482059_168380503_lowresTen tackles per game.

That’s the number Mychal Kendricks guns for. His brother (also a football player) preached that if you reach that mark regularly, you’re set. And so that became the standard.

Earlier this season, the chase for 10 got him in trouble. He kept count in his head during the game. If he had only four, say, deep into the third quarter, Kendricks would start pressing. Would ask DeMeco Ryans how many he had. Ryans never had an answer because he knew better than to keep track.


"He was always in the game, [asking]: 'How many you got?' I'm like, 'Man, let's go play. We'll see how it [comes out] at the end of the game.' It's not something you worry about. You go out and do your job and plays will start coming to you. When you try to force things, that's when it seems like it's the hardest to make a play."

Kendricks  missed eight tackles over his first three games. He has seven in his last six outings. Not perfect but more steady. And Ryans was right: playing more within himself, Kendricks has posted double-digit tackles in each of the last two games, and picked up his first sack of the season Sunday in Oakland.

"He stopped worrying about it," said Ryans, "and now he's making a lot of plays."

He just had to be himself. That was true on a couple levels.

Kendricks is a vocal player. You'll see him barking pregame, on the sidelines in-game, and he isn't shy about talking trash on the field. As a rookie, though, he curbed that element of his game after hearing it from one of the veterans.

"I remember last preseason against the Patriots, the first game, I'm juiced. I was excited as hell, and it's the preseason. I'm hyped up, I'm yelling at these vets who have already been here so they're not tripping on this stuff," said Kendricks.

"DRC [Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie] was like, 'Man, shut the [expletive] up. It's preseason.' And I wasn't even thinking of it like that. It's an emotional game for me...After that I never said nothing the whole year.

"I can talk to these guys now because I know this thing like the back of my hand. We have a lot of young guys on the team. Everybody is pretty much in my age group. You have to understand last year we had [Cullen] Jenkins, we had [Jason] Babin, we had Trent [Cole], all these guys that were so much older and so much more experienced than me. I had no clout. But now we changed our defense and I played in a 3-4 -- Trent Cole is asking me for advice because I played outside linebacker in college."

The second-year 'backer out of Cal is settling in, getting more comfortable with his role on the team. He's not tracking his tackles in-game anymore, though 10 still has meaning. He wants to be one of the best in the NFL and if he can hit that mark routinely, he figures he'll be on track.

"He's hungry to be the best and when you have that type of drive, that's what you want from a player," said Ryans. "He's never satisfied, he's always hungry to do more and achieve high goals for himself. For him to have that attitude, that's the way he should [be]: humble and hungry."

WHAT YOU MISSED

Sheil takes a look at blocking at the second level with the help of the All-22 and Jason Kelce.

Judging by Chip Kelly's comments, Michael Vick isn't very close to a return. 

Kapadia focuses in on the Eagles' pass rush.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Geoff Mosher writes that the early returns are good from this rookie class.

Lane Johnson has started every game at right tackle for the NFL’s fourth-ranked offense. Zach Ertz has more catches and receptions than any other Eagles tight end. Earl Wolff is gearing up for his sixth start in 10 games and Bennie Logan is coming off an impressive starting debut last Sunday.

The common thread? They’re all rookies...

“This was huge for us,” center Jason Kelce said. “I think the year I was drafted (2011) we had a lot of guys who are no longer with the team, unfortunately. So to see this many rookies contribute and doing well, that’ll be able to balance that out a little bit.”

ESPN Packers blogger Kevin Seifert talks about the suddenly unsettled QB situation in Green Bay.

Seneca Wallace is the backup only because he was available when they realized none of the players they took to training camp was up to the job. He is 6-15 in his career as a starter, and his career seemed over in August 2012 when the Cleveland Browns released him.

The Packers' entire scheme is built around Rodgers doing things that only Rodgers can do. Think of what happened when the Indianapolis Colts played without Peyton Manning in 2011. The Packers will need to make fundamental changes to their offense -- and expect substantial elevation in other areas of their team -- to make it through this wilderness.

COMING UP

We'll roll out our predictions for Eagles-Packers.

  • theycallmerob

    So….DRC giving advice to our young players about “when to get hyped” and “when to take the game seriously”? sheesh, no wonder we had an effort problem on the team last year. Effort-wise, he’s the Lebowski of CBs

    • Andy

      Agree. DRC needs to STFU and go eat his lunch in his car. The only thing he can teach a rookie is how to waste talent.

    • nicksaenz1

      That aggression wouldn’t stand.

  • JofreyRice

    Great insight into whats going through a crappy guys mind.

    • Adam

      Someone piss in your Cherio’s this morning Jofrey?

      • BlindChow

        Maybe he had money on Oregon.

      • JofreyRice

        It’s funny, because I spend most of the games counting tackles Kendricks has missed. Losing patience this guy will ever get it.

        • Adam

          Considering he’s got 7 missed tackles over the past six games, that must make for boring TV.

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, I don’t know about how PFF scores things, but Pryor definitely deked him a few times. I’d count those as missed tackles. Regardless of his recent “improvement”–where IMO, he’s just slowed down, and not getting near the ballcarrier quickly enough to miss–he’s still tied as the league’s most unreliable tackler w/Briggs; except Briggs makes plays to somewhat balance that out.

            Some things just bug me. Receivers that can’t catch. Safeties without instincts. Linebackers that can’t tackle in space. Pet peeve. Good D’s swarm to the ball and don’t miss opportunities to stop plays.

          • Adam

            Of course Pryor deked him out a few times, just like Pryor would deke out any linebacker in this league.

            1 sack, 2 QB hits and 3 QB hurries on top of a 12 tackle performance. You can continue to focus on few negative plays, but that’s the case with any player in the NFL but there’s “improvement” whether you choose to observe it or not.

          • JofreyRice

            Well, when you say that Pryor made Kendricks miss, that’s not accounted for in the “7 missed tackles in the past 6 games” stat you referenced earlier–as if all the misses were behind him, and now he’s playing like P. Willis.

            So you think, so far, Kendricks has been an average linebacker in the NFL, that misses some plays and makes some? That I’m just unfairly focusing on the negative? Sorry, I just don’t see it that way. He’s been a very bad player up until just the last couple games. We’re not even talking about superstar-level play here, just a linebacker that can perform the main task of linebackers effectively–stopping ballcarriers that get past the line–and not fall to the ground in coverage.

    • James Hathaway

      Second year player, 2nd system, and he was an OUTSIDE backer in college, not interior in 3-4. So that’s 3 systems in 3 years. Give. Him. Time.

      He has all the tools, he has the passion, he has the energy. Be patient in a building year.

      • Token

        Sometimes you just have to open your eyes and be honest about what you see, forget hes a Eagle. He just hasnt been good.

        You can throw out 100 excuses. But regardless of scheme, whats the excuse for missing tackles? What about over pursuing plays?

        This scheme doesnt work for him either. Hes just too tiny. They need atleast 1 thumper in the middle.

        I wondered how he could do as a rushing OLB. But likely, Kendricks will be a backup next year.

        • RIP illa

          Why would you even bring up the word thumper in reference to Kendricks??? He’s the type of LB that you combine w/ a thumper. So if we at least need one thumper…the idea of Kendricks plus a thumper is whole lot better than Ryans and a thumper. “Tiny”??? Cause he short at 5’11 instead of 6′-6’3, and cause he has average to above average weight for the position…he’s “tiny”???

          • Token

            You act as if we all dont want the same thing. I wish he was a player. Liked him coming out. But I dont see it.

            Not a good tackler. Speed is mostly useless since his instincts dont seem very good. Overpersues. Doesnt break down well when setting up for a tackle. Thinks too much maybe. Seemed to be much more of a attacking player in college.

            But hes gonna be here. As a backup or starter. So maybe you are right. Get rid of Ryans, get a guy who ruins your day in the middle. Then maybe Kendricks progresses a bit more and is serviceable.

            But yea, hes tiny. I wouldnt care about the height if he played stronger. He gets consumed to often.

          • James Hathaway

            Any change in heart after his last 4 games? He was pretty damn impressive. Maybe not against the Saints, but every other game he was an absolute freak out there.

        • anon

          Well he just said that he was pressing all the time — and he’s stopped that 6 games left, we’ll see how he does ROS.

      • JofreyRice

        He actually played inside in Cal’s 3-4 in his senior season, and as an outside linebacker as a Junior. I’ve followed him for awhile now, thanks. I also watch him during the games, beyond just stating vague platitudes about “giving him time to develop”.

        Tired of watching the guy miss tackles. He’s supposed to be a difference maker in the D, ala Karlos Dansby, Lawrence Timmons, etc. Other people are freeing him up to be able to make plays, and he’s failing to do so. He’s bad in coverage and incompetent as a tackler. I had high hopes for the guy, believe me, but he’s just not showing the instincts or fundamentals to enjoy success in the NFL.

    • RIP illa

      Kids probably going to lead the team in tackles this year, yet he’s “crappy”??? I think most of you guys are pitting his play v your expectations of him being a “superstar”/next great Philly LB. missed tackles have dropped significantly, while solo and assited tackles keep going up. He’s finally notched a sack, got a pick, and his speed and athleticism makes O-linemen account for him on the blitz while freeing up others or at the least, allowing them to get straight one on one matchups. He’s solid right now…but cause he’s not the next Cushing he’s crappy???

      • JofreyRice

        Ernie Sims led the team in tackles. One of the less descriptive stats on who a player is.

        Sorry, I can’t describe a player as “solid” that is as erratic, undisciplined, and as poor at defending the run or pass as Kendricks has been. I advocated taking this guy over Wagner, or even Kuechly–sounds stupid now, I know– so I’d like to be able to say this guy is really coming through, but I just don’t see it. JMO.

        • RIP illa

          That’s cool. I didn’t know you went that far in your initial eval/advocation of Kendricks. Now I see where it’s all coming from :-)
          I think has proven to be eratic, especially at the beginning of this season, but I also think that he has shown that he’s becoming less eratic week by week, as the article is eluding to. Personally I never wanted him to be the “guy” in the middle. I wanted/want him to be our, so to speak, Polomalu, and have a Ryan Clark to play along w/ him. Meaning just have him fly around the field and cause chaos while there’s a smart, disciplined, “bigger” LB next to him. So wanted Alonzo last year!!! Anyway, I understand now that you provided context.

  • UKEagle99

    I’d like to ask Mr Mosher what the difference between a catch and a reception is.

    • G_WallyHunter

      HAHA noticed that, laughed out loud

      catches AND receptions

    • aub32

      I actually read that line 3 times and for a moment questioned myself as if I was boo boo the fool.

  • Adam

    How bout those Skins?

    • G_WallyHunter

      Kind of bitter sweet, let’s hope RGKnee doesn’t play like that next week

      Then again, Eagles secondary is no Minny secondary

      • Adam

        Never bittersweet when the Skins lose!

        • G_WallyHunter

          Yeah I agree, I guess I just meant bitter that RG had a huge game, sweet that yes, their D absolutely stunk it up and lost them the game, gotta love that

  • Adam

    MM played pretty meh last night. Defense didn’t help him out much but the main take away and something I’ve always had concerns about is his dimensions. Dude is a beanpole and he looks breakable. I’m tempted to stay away from him to be honest.

    • Token

      I think you are putting it lightly. Early on he cost them 2 TDs by himself you could argue. Has some awful throws last night. The moment was too big for him.

      • Adam

        Yeah, looking at his earlier work it’s easy to forget he’s only 20. For his development he should take another year, but I’d say he still declares for $$$ purposes.

        • Token

          Just based on skill set he probably still would go top 5-10. But there is work to be done. Ive said his mechanics need work and last night it was apparent. He also looked jittery against the rush last night which I havent really seen much from him.

      • OregonEagle

        Haven’t seen it mentioned here anywhere but Mariota was playing with a partial sprain of the MCL sustained in the UCLA game. It wasn’t common knowledge because Oregon doesn’t report injury status. He started the game wearing a brace and took a hit in it in the 3rd quarter. That doesn’t explain the fumbles but it does explain the lack of run production. Probably also goes a long way to explaining the ‘mechanics’ on some of his throws.

        • Token

          Does it explain why he looked scared all game?

          Im over Mariota. We arent in a position to get him either way. And I no longer would trade up for him.

          His lack of leadership and being so shy kinda showed Thursday. He shrank in that game. Not what you need in the NFL.

          I realize hes the second coming to you Oregon guys. But Ive seen enough. He does just enough against crap teams to get you excited, then he plays the big boys and the truth comes out. You couple that with mechanical problems I said he had weeks ago and I cant justify a top 5 pick on him.

          He could still be very good. Hes got a skillset teams want. But id stay in school. I dont think hes ready. The comparison to Kaepernick probably are pretty close. Kaep wasnt ready when he came out either. Worked on his craft, got coached up and turned out fine. But he was also a 3rd rounder I believe.

          • OregonEagle

            Whoa, big boy. I never said anything about him coming out of college or going in the top 5 or trading up. I merely mentioned that he came into the game with a brace and a sprained knee. He was unfortunate enough to have it against the best team that Oregon is going to play this year. I only heard the game on the radio so I can’t comment on how ‘scared’ he looked. A mobile quarterback who can’t run and can’t avoid the rush might indeed look a little scared.

            Mariotta had a bad game but he can still run like Kapernick and has has good judgement. His character is not fully formed but what has formed is golden. Not worried about him developing leadership. He works hard, keeps his mouth shut, and takes care of his teammates. The only thing suspect right now is his long accuracy but since this is the first time in a decade that Oregon has had anything hinting of a vertical game its unknown how he will do with real longball. His arm is adequate and he is coachable so there is hope.

            I would like to see him stay in school but all of the economics suggest that he should come out, and somebody will take him. Given that who goes where in the draft has absolutely nothing to do with what you or I think, consider for a moment who you would like to have as you BACKUP quarterback next year. Nobody knows who will start QB for the Eagles next year but as of today, it is Nick Foles job to win or lose. Given his skillset, character, and knowledge of the system, there is nobody in the country better to come in and back up Foles.

            Your ‘second coming’ remark was almost cute but I would think you might be a little more careful about spitting in the eye of fate – after all, it was an Oregon Duck that was calling most of the plays and throwing the ball the last time the Eagles won the championship. Think how it would sound DUTCH, Marcus Mariota, the “Flyin Hawaiian’

    • anon

      Yeah that was my thought too — was my thought with the whole Oregon team actually. All finesse with no fight.

      • Token

        What did Standford have like 100 passing yards? Oregon knew the run was coming and still got slaughtered.

        • Adam

          100 passing and like 270 rushing.

        • anon

          You see that fumble on the 2 yd line? How the stanford guy just took it away from the Oregon dude — that’s what i’m talking about. Hope the Eagles don’t go the way of the Ducks.

  • Token

    Well, I guess by default im back on the “I hope Foles is the second coming” bandwagon.

    Mariota was awful last night. Just crumbled in the moment. I think he probably ends up staying in school. I no longer think itd be worth it to trade up for him. Theres too much work to do. And I dont like seeing a kid handle a big game so poorly, just not a good sign.

    • aub32

      Wow. After all the praising of this kid that you’ve been doing all year. This is exactly why you don’t tout someone with a year left in college as the future of the franchise.

      • Token

        He showed a lot better against lower competition. Obviously you couldnt have a full picture of the kid until he played a tougher opponent like tonight. He also wasnt very good last game against UCLA.

        • aub32

          That’s why I always say play for the present and let the future sort itself out. So now are you a little more open to the idea of Manziel, or are all your eggs in the Foles’ basket?

          • Token

            IMO, Manziel would simply be a extension of the Vick era. Thats the player he reminds me most of. A young Vick. With a bit more accuracy. And even smaller frame. Just his overall style of play.

            I want no part of that kid personally. I know theres a fair share of people who love him.

            Now if Foles just overall stinks from here, they obviously NEED a QB. SO I wouldnt throw a fit if they took him. Id understand the move. But I dont think he will be successful with his current style of play at this level. If he comes as a Buy 1 get 1 with Mike Evans then id be more interested

          • aub32

            An extension of the Vick era under Chip Kelly doesn’t sound too bad. He had Vick playing much smarter and safer. Vick just happened to blow a tire. I’d definitely take him in the 2nd or even trade down to get him in the first. Right now the only “needs” I see for this team are OLB and QB. I’m pretty much assuming Howie will get us a veteran safety in FA. I’d rather not reach for a OLB. So if there isn’t a real stud available, I’m more than ok with Manziel and getting him an extra weapon or bulstering the ILB or CB position in the 2nd.

          • cliff henny

            think about a draft falling like this, mike evans in 1st, hubbard or vannoy in 2nd, very possible, right now 6 lbrs are projected in 1st rd-no way in heck that’ll happen, in 3rd moncrief out of ole miss, watch him, he is a beast, then lyoria at tight end in 5th, guy likes the white, but we’ll work around that. with shady, jax and have cooper as 4th…think kelly can work with foles

          • Token

            I like Evans. Do you know what he runs? Could he get separation at this level? I wouldnt take him in the 1st though. Unless theres just nothing left to take on D.

          • Adam

            It’s pretty hush hush right now, some are saying he runs a sub 4.5, some say 4.7′s. Chances are it’s the latter if there isn’t anything confirmed. But it’s hard not to take interest in that size. 6’5 230lbs is just ridiculous.

          • Token

            If he runs under 4.5 hes gonna go pretty high. Hes just been a beast. His ability to come down with contested balls is exactly what you wanna see coming to the NFL.

          • Adam

            Yup. Reminds me of Vincent Jackson. Would love to have him here.

          • cliff henny

            6-5 225 runs 4.5 40, seen as high as 4.58. think of a really good hakim nicks…only a baby in football terms too. he only started playing his junior yr in high school. just is 3rd yr in organized ball. what he really does well is the wr screne, sets up blocks and runs thru arm tackles.

          • RIP illa

            I too like Evans but I think your bias in wanting someone from A&M :-) is allowing you to be real generous when it comes to the kid’s speed. Nobody truly knows and that’s the big question for him going into the combine. Just that cause everyone knows he can play. Watching him play, you can sometimes see a low 4.5 guy maybe even just a tad under 4.5. Then again sometimes you see a guy w/ average speed, ie, mid 4.5-4.6! There are some reports out there that he may have worse speed then that, as Adam mentioned, which would not be good for him and his draft position. Can’t wait to see what this kid can do at the combine.

          • cliff henny

            yup…watched atleast 15 games over last 2 yrs…jfm is fun to watch. his speed, just going of sites. he never seems to get chased down, and he’s playing against SEC corners, every team has 1 guy that’ll get at least an nfl look.

          • RIP illa

            What are you seeing in Hubbard, besides size, that makes you want to consider him in the 2nd? He’s been getting killed in scouting reports and doesn’t sound like the pass rusher we need. More like a future replacement for Barwin. I pretty much would love that draft, although I do think we need a OLB 1st, but if Vannoy can be that guy we need then great (gotta study up on him more). That and if we completed all our secondary needs in FA…Shields, Byrd, and Clemons!!! :-) glad someone on here finally mentioned Moncrief. For me it’s either him or Beckham in the 3rd. And what about the 4th rd?

          • cliff henny

            ‘bama bores me, seen a little…’bama defense is tough, some guys look great and go no where, then have what seems like roll players and they end up being pretty good. his size is kelly drooling dream, 6-5 250, really only guy coming out with kelly prerequisite demensions. i’d prefer van noy, that guy makes plays everywhere. beasley scares me, he isnt all that big, no shot at Barr.
            .
            like beckham too. and robinson out of PSU, maybe 2nd, but i’ll bet he goes between eagles 1st and 2nd.
            .
            4th, tackle or corner. developemental guys. get safety and another corner in free agency, see what happens with peters, but looks like he just needed time, i’d extend him, reduce his cap number.
            .
            7th round…look at the slot recr out of wake forest, campenello….steve smith out of carolina body and attitude…love this kid. catches everything.

          • RIP illa

            I pretty much think the same things when it comes to the OLBs. Also thinking that Beckham really only having this year being “standout-ish” and coming out early will push him down to the 3rd, but it’s probably just wishful thinking. I’m pretty sure if he runs well at the combine and his pro day that some teams will rate him higher. Then again I’m hoping Tavon makes teams hesitant to do that. Anyway, it’s all just probably wishful thinking.

            That’s the 2nd time!!! It’s Campanaro. Campanello doesn’t exist. Lol. Spent a minute looking for him and tape, the last time you mentioned him. I say no thanks. I think he’s a Maehl jr. So we don’t need him, plus we already have Murphy, who I’m hoping can amount to something, on the PS. I’m thinking w/ the WRs we already have and w/ Mac’s situation up in the air…I don’t see them drafting 3 more this offseason.

          • cliff henny

            close enough lol, he’s 7th rounder…cruz was undrafted. he’s a true slot. also, WF, he has literally no one throwing him the ball. maehl and murphy arent true slot recrs. i’d like a steve smith cruz type…that catch on 3rd and 8 inside own 20 where d-jax runs sort of away from 1st on inside cross in dallas game…you know cruz would have split defender and picked it up. need that guy

          • RIP illa

            I hear ya. Gotta check smith out.

          • Adam

            Something about Manziel not fitting just makes me think he would.

            I feel like he has somewhat of an X factor and that him and Philly are just a match waiting to happen. From all accounts he’s a good teammate, just a doesn’t take a job where he gets other people rich and doesn’t see a dime out of it too seriously.

            I think he’s a bit reckless like Vick was but he’s got a better football IQ, more accurate but not the same arm strength.

            I still think I’d rather Foles if he’s playing well.

          • aub32

            I’d much rather see Foles pan out. He’s already here. So that’s one less piece we’d have to find. I just don’t trust him yet. He’s done well against bad teams, which you have to do. So he gets credit. I can’t just dismiss that Dallas game though. As good as he was against the Raiders, and he was darn good, he was just as awful against the boys. Can he really consistently hit those deep passes when DBs aren’t falling down? Will he again shrink in big moments. How will he respond to pressure? Will he ever get a haircut? I’m not sold on Foles yet. However, I’d love for him to silence my doubts and take us to the playoffs.

          • Adam

            Consistency isn’t really a word that’s synonymous with 2nd year NFL QB’s. Even if you throw out his worst game (Dallas) and his best game (Oakland), you’ve still got Tampa and 2nd half of NY which were decent performances. We’ve played teams with bad offenses but their defenses were fine. Almost every young QB has a stinker of a game or even a few, but what’s important is how you respond. I think he responded pretty well. We’ll see how it plays out.

          • Token

            Yea. You do expect bad games from a young QB. But man, that was as bad as it gets. He just looked braindead. I could live with it if I knew he got concussed early or something.

            O well. Im hoping he pans out. It would make this rebuild a lot smoother.

            Question is, if he plays well does that even mean hes our QB next year? I dont think Chip can let go of the run arounders.

          • Adam

            Hey, it was ugly. But he went from one of the worst QB performances I’ve ever seen to one of the best statistically in NFL history, so that’s gotta count for something.

            I’m not really sure. I like to think of Chip as a smart guy, and that he’ll realize that running first QB’s can’t hold up in the NFL and you can’t plug and play like you can in college.

            I think he’ll still lean towards a mobile QB, but a pass first one like say Russell Wilson. Someone who CAN run but prefers to pass.

            I think if Foles plays lights out, you might bring in a guy like this with a mid round pick and let them compete in camp just to see what happens.

          • aub32

            Just because a QB can run doesn’t make them a run first QB. Luck, Rodgers and Romo can all move. The aren’t run first guys. Vick this year under Kelly wasn’t a run first guy. He ran rather than take the check down but that wasn’t his first and only read. Plus he was picking up more yards than the 2-4 yard checkdown passes would have yielded.

          • Adam

            Where did I say Luck, Rodgers or Romo were run first guys? Like Wilson, They’re pass first guys who can run when needed but mostly choose not to.

            Vick and Pryor to me are run first QB’s.

            Kaep would be somewhere in the middle.

          • aub32

            Vick since 2010 has been a pass first guy. Did you see the beating he took in the pocket. I think you are just stuck on old narratives. How much of Pryor have you watched? He runs because his O line is terrible, and he doesn’t have much in terms of weapons. He keeps his eyes downfield, but what’s the guy supposed to do? I believe I brough up the play where he had a terrific scramble only to stop short of passing the LOS. He stopped to pass the ball downfield, and even after all his efforts no one was open. A “run first” guy would’ve just tucked it. Again I think you watch too many highlights instead of actually paying attention to the games.

          • Adam

            Half as many rushing attempts as passing attempts, but not a run first QB. Alright, cool.

          • Token

            You win in the pocket, hope he sees that.

            I dont discount the good performances. Oakland had allowed only 10 passing TDs until last Sunday.

          • cliff henny

            dont think any of us know what’s in kelly’s mind. also, dont think he’s lying when saying he wants 1. quick decsions, 2. accurate as his top priority. if that comes wrapped with a guy who can run like kaep…fan-f’n-fastic…but doubt he’ll toss foles aside if his starting baseline is tampa and improves from there

          • aub32

            Sorry but I don’t buy the Tampa or NY performance as indications of what Foles can be. Both teams hadn’t won a game. Foles took over the NY game with the lead. He lost that lead and then finished the game with a couple of nice plays with stellar field position. However, people forget he did not have a single TD drive that started in Eagles territory. The Bucs still haven’t won a game. They are awful. Plus I think any QB playing under Kelly would have a field day playing against zone coverage where the coach just refused to make any adjustments whatsoever.

          • Adam

            That’s fine if you choose to not accept NFL games as indications of an NFL QB, but I doubt any coach would feel the same.

          • aub32

            So was the Flynn game against Detroit indicative of the QB he can become? I didn’t take away what Foles did. I provided context. You say he did well in NY. I saw a guy who struggled throughout the 3rd and took advantage of some very short fields in the 4th. Am I wrong because I added in more detail? He had a good game against the Bucs. They are at a legitimate risk of going 0-16. Context is all I am providing.

          • nicksaenz1

            The detroit game was basically a preseason game, though. Mostly 2nd stringers in a meaningless game in week 17.

          • aub32

            If I’m not mistaken, the game meant something to Detroit.

          • EaglePete

            oops, I just posted same thing above 3 hours later, didnt see these posts. You guys are all over everything so fast, you dont leave much else to discuss, damn you guys and all your nerdy football talk haha

          • Adam

            The context you’re providing is your opinion. You saw a guy who struggled in the 3rd. I saw a guy who came off the bench cold, with no starter reps that week and took advantages of opportunities to win games.

            Bucs were a team that held Tom Brady to 23 points and Drew Brees to 14.

            You’re providing one side of the context, doesn’t mean it’s right, just like it doesn’t mean I’m right.

          • aub32

            What one side? Foles had plenty of reps wih the ones this offseason. Kelly said he was still getting reps with the ones prior to the Vick injury. So I choose not to give him the off the bench excuse, because that’s exactly what it is, an excuse.

            The Bucs did indeed hold Brady to 23 and Brees to 14. I will say at the time I thought the D was legit. What have they done since? They have been terrible. They got destroyed by the injured Falcons and couldn’t hold onto a 21-0 lead. They are a terrible team. I guess you could say that’s an opinion, but I think you will have a hard time finding someone to disagree with me there.

          • Adam

            Foles 22/31 296y 3TD 0INT
            Ryan 20/26 273y 3TD 0INT
            Newton 23/32 221y 2TD 0INT
            Wilson 19/26 217y 2TD 2INT

            Last time I checked, Foles doesn’t get to pick who he plays against. Bucs are middle of the pack for the most part in defensive standings. 15th passing, 18th rushing.

            When you play a bad team, you expect to win. That’s what Foles did. And he did it convincingly. I think most people will agree that Ryan and Wilson are good QB’s. Some might even say Newton is, but the jury is still out for me. Look at the stats. Foles did just as well, if not better than these QBs.

            What else is he supposed to do? Feel free not to count any games Foles has played so far. But like I said I don’t think the coaches will use that same method.

          • aub32

            Did you read my first post before being so defensive about Foles? “He’s done well against bad teams, which you have to do. So he gets credit.” I never took credit away from him. I never said the game didn’t count. Stop being so defensive and actually pay attention. All I did was add context. The stats are nice, but they are meaningless without context. What are you up in arms about? The fact that you are in such defense about Foles leads me to believe you have your doubts but are trying overly hard to convince yourself, because I have not said anything negative of him other than he was horrid in Dallas, which I believe was his biggest game of his still young career. Am I wrong? Have I said anything this entire time that was wrong?

          • Adam

            This is really funny. Sorry I tried to let facts get in the way of your opinion. Good ol context right?

            I get that you’re salty that Foles is playing well and you’re waiting for the opportunity for him to fail so you can get your boy Vick back in there. That’s cool man. But don’t try and make my points for Foles see like I’m trying to convince myself. I don’t need convincing, if it works out it does and if it doesn’t then we have to draft a QB, which I’m also looking forward to the potential of.

            Just because you have a horse in this race doesn’t mean we all do. Eagles first and foremost.

          • aub32

            Ahhh now I see. You are mistaking me for someone who cares how we get our wins. Let me be clear. I want wins. I don’t care who the QB is. I wanted Vick because I thought he gave us the best chance to win. He went down. Foles is our guy and hence my guy. I did not revel in Foles’ performance against Dallas. I wanted him to blow them out of the water. I want Foles to be great. I just don’t delude myself and overlook details. I have said earlier that Foles being great would be the best thing for this team. I have my doubts, which I am entitled to and have provide reasons for said doubt. So please stop coming at me with some agenda. If you want to have a real discussion then fine. However, if your only objective is to cause controversy that isn’t there, I suggest you move on. I find it so funny that I didn’t even mention Vick. I was talking about Foles being the future vs Manziel or some other rookie. Yet I’m the one with a horse in the race. Again, you don’t pay attention to context, but at least you’re consistent.

          • Adam

            “An extension of the Vick era under Chip Kelly doesn’t sound too bad.”

            I get it. Don’t worry.

          • aub32

            Hahahaha. That’s taken out of context. That has nothing to do with Vick. I was pointing out that Kelly took a mobile QB and had him playing very smart. The comment was in support of Manziel. News flash, if we draft Manziel where do you think Vick goes? Thanks for proving my point that you have no regard for context and some sort of vendetta against anyone that even types the name Vick. Hahahahaha. You’re ridiculous dude. Do you have any idea how silly you look by bringing that up? I have defended Vick many times, but you choose the quote in which I was discussing moving on from him and trying to discuss Foles vs. whomever. Yes you get it all right. I’m not exactly sure what you’re getting, but you are getting it.

          • aub32

            O and thanks for the laughs. Work is an absolute bore this morning. I was in need of a good distraction.

          • Cameo0324

            Which one are you, a racist, or one them vick haters still mad about the dog fighting thing?

          • Adam

            Yeah dude I’m super racist. So racist I have his jersey, and autographed copies of his book and his ESPN magazine cover. He even follows me on Twitter I’m THAT racist.

            Or maybe I’ve seen his play over the past 3 seasons as an Eagle to know that it’s time to move on.

          • Richard Colton

            you managed to put him in his place withput pointing out his “them/those” error. complete with photo. typical Canadian efficiency.

          • aub32

            So you are a scorned fan afraid to love or trust again. Now it makes sense.

          • Adam

            No just a reasonable person who realizes when it’s time to move on. Just like with Donnie. Unlike some people who just try and make it work no matter how much it doesn’t make sense, or how much it’s time to move on, they just can’t realize that. Stuck in a cycle, ya know?

            I can be a fan of a player and not have that fandom be unconditional and till the bitter end. It’s called being a fan of a team and not a player.

          • aub32

            Then why did you come at my throat earlier for just mentioning Vick while I was referencing him only to make an argument for Manziel. I have no problem with fans wanting to move on from Vick. He can’t be QB forever, and if he’s not our best chance to win, then I wish him luck elsewhere. However, I don’t attack anyone who simply mentions him or Foles without reason.

          • EaglePete

            everyone forgets that the Detroit game was meaningless end of season game and detroit was already a bad defense and also had a bunch of injuries. I think the Oak game was way more of a positive all things considered. But yes, still just one game doesnt make a career.

          • aub32

            Your last sentence was my entire point.

    • cliff henny

      watched 1st half, he was little rough, but o-line was just destroyed. he had nice throw rolling right on 3rd and long, showed plenty of arm on throwing back across field. he’s still just playing with college kids, not sure what he could have done. stanford’s defense was on. all i took in Yankey, stanford guard, needs to replace Herrmanns, and skov might still be step slow, but that guy is everywhere.
      i got off mariota and bridgewater when eagles showed they’ll be 12-15 pick. just not sure people understand how expensive it’ll be to get these guys…rg3 will look cheap.

      • Token

        That throw, he threw across his body right to where 2 defenders were. It was a awful decision that turned out ok.

        You can blame the line if you wish. But he had his fair share of clean pocket throws that were just way off the mark. Hes playing with college kids? Thats a interesting defense of him. Have you seen the talent he plays with on that offense?

        Nobody is trading the farm for the kid. With RG3, in his last year, you saw greatness. You just watched some of those games and could see it in him. He didnt shy away from the big moment.

        MM aint that guy. I dont think its even close after last night. He played a big boy team and crumbled.

        I bet a top 10 team that needs a QB still would grab him. But hes got plenty of work to do.

        I think he stays in school.

        • cliff henny

          some nfl talent, but by and large, that’s a college team. it isnt Florida state. o-line was terrible. stanford just blew up every run play. not many qbs look great in 3rd and 8+ over and over again. he didnt look great, but he is still very talented. careless about outcomes, when watching these guys, you are looking for skillsets. that required great arm strngth. his roll outs were under control, he was accurate on the move. not sure when he had clean pockets, he almost always had to reset his feet from his drops, thru off timing. stanford played great, some of this has to be credit to them. that skov kid, he’s about 3rd round, not sure if he has size or speed, but man, he is everywhere.

          • Token

            Doesnt matter anyway really I guess. We arent getting him.

            You can really get a better sense of these college QBs when they play great competition. Im not sure Mariota coulda shown much worse last night. He didnt respond to the big stage like your other guy Manziel does.

          • cliff henny

            i get the arguement on manziel style, i disagree with it. he is completing 77% of his passes from the pocket. for me, the results over shadow any concerns. peyton manning, luck, reodger isnt walking thru eagles locker room doors anytime soon, i think kelly and manziel would be awesome together. for now though, i’m hoping foles is tampa foles and improves from there, and draft wrs, tes and olb in top of draft…some beasts that’ll be there for them

          • Token

            Right now, the absolute best case scenario is Foles shows he is a legit QB over the course of the second half of the season. That makes this all easier. If he doesnt, they need a QB and have to pick one. Manziel is the only one who may be realistic.

            Im sure there would be some running around QB project he could waste a pick on later if Foles ends up being the guy.

            Draft TEs? Id puke.

            They need a OLB that can be a problem for a offense.

          • cliff henny

            TE in 4th -6th range. guess i’d stick with Celek if he rengotiated. 4m, he isnt worth that.
            .
            want wr/olb in 1st/2nd or vice versa…picking at 12-15, it should line up well for them. watch that moncreif out of ole miss, he is a beast, just stuck at ole miss, no one pays attention to him.

          • Token

            I havent looked at really anything but QBs til now. Except Barr, but hes obviously top 5.

          • aub32

            I think we are good on TEs. If anything, we can still keep Celeck for a year. I’d much rather see a future pro bowl bound OLB to play opposite Barwin behind this D Line that’s starting to shape out quite nicely.

            I think the coming weeks will reveal what we have in both Foles and Cooper. If one of those two guys could pan out as a legit starter, it would go a long way.

          • Token

            Cooper stays regardless. Dont think he starts tho. But who knows.

            I thought Maclin would fit well in this scheme as the piece you can move into the slot. If you have Jackson-Evans(or whoever, a good starting WR) – and then Maclin in the middle. I think thats interesting.

            But if you bring Maclin back, its on a cheaper deal. And you dont rely on him. You still bring in another WR. Avant is gone.

          • aub32

            So you see: DJax, Evans/FA/Rookie, Maclin, Cooper, and ???? Momah? (I kid). We are still going to need one more guy. I’m pretty much done with DJ2. I also agree that Avant is done. Does Benn get another chance? What about Maehl?

          • Token

            The fifth guy isnt really much of a concern. Make it a UDFA for all I care. Maybe they give Benn another shot. I wouldnt, waste of time.

          • aub32

            The fifth guy is important in my opinion because I want a legitimate return man for once. Is that really out of the realm of possiblity?

          • cliff henny

            bet eagles draft wr early and late. there’s a lot of slot recrs that go in 6th or 7th that’ll fit kelly’s eye. i wouldnt complain about 2 out of 4 in evans, robinson, beckham and moncreif in top 3 rds. all but robinson have shown the ability to play both inside and out. if going with foles, surround him with weapons.

          • Eagles4Life

            It all depends on where our draft position falls…I think if we miss out on Barr, I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to taking the Ebron kid out of UNC and going defense in the 2nd. That young man is a MONSTER.

      • ztom6

        DIdn’t look like there was any way Mariota was going to fall to the Eagles, so if that’s who you want, you perhaps might be happy his stock is falling.

        • cliff henny

          i want foles, draft 2 stub wrs, TE to replace celek in 4-6th, olb that’s 10-12 sacks and heid klum to give me private fashion show

          • aub32

            Hey while you’re asking Santa can you ask him if Sofia Vergara will join me for a movie tonight?

          • cliff henny

            she’ll be busy…heidi needs a fluffer

          • aub32

            Now you’re just being selfish.

          • Chip Henderson

            I’d rather stay with Foles, draft a CB, S, OLB (in any order), a WR, G, and TE. Now we may be able to get Byrd or that CB from Tennessee. If we can get impact players for this defense, they’ll be really good.

          • cliff henny

            should be some serious cash available, even after resigning d-jax and peters. get another fletcher type (novel idea, how about someone without blown knees for once) and byrd, young 25′ish guys with 4 yrs of prime career. cbs and safeties are available in Free agency, can find guards too, mathis and barbre were on strappiles when they found them. olb and wrs, have to draft those guys. need a back-up NT too.
            .
            should be doable…the guys we need are available, have money, draft has the players needed, in really any order. really, it all comes down to Foles. he tosses a couple dallas’esque games in last 7, ugh, dont even want to think about it.

          • GEAGLE

            Attaboy cliff…glad to have you on board :)

    • JofreyRice

      Not to be too negative, but the most plausible scenario is that the Eagles will be looking for a franchise guy for awhile–that neither Foles nor a ’14 draftee will be the guy. It’s just the way it usually goes. It will be interesting to see how Foles does the rest of the way, though. Can’t say I had any idea this was coming.

      • Token

        Yea you could be right. But if thats the case Chip wont be around for the second attempt at drafting one.

        The best thing that could happen is Foles just stepping up and becoming legitimate from here. I really wish I could be confident that will happen, but im just not.

        • JofreyRice

          It’s definitely the best case scenario. I’m hoping Foles could be the guy. Unless it’s Bridgewater, I think the roll of the dice in the draft is about equivalent; you just don’t know how these guys will develop.

          • Token

            Its kinda funny. This draft started out with a bunch of hype, was supposed to be full of QBs.

            Well then they had to play the season and it dwindled down to basically Bridgewater and Mariota. Now its pretty much down to Bridgewater.

            One thing is for sure nobody is worth trading up for at this point. Since Bridgewater will go #1.

            Guess its time to start looking at what OLBs will be available around our pick.

            If Foles ends up being a turd Im guessing they jump on Manziel.

  • Justin

    Kendricks shoulda hit DRC. You know DRC wouldn’t hit back.