Wake-Up Call: A Unique Partnership At Corner

Eagles CB Cary Williams on fieldCary Williams spent a good portion of his Sunday barking at Dallas receivers. Mostly Dez Bryant. The two stood facemask to facemask several times. There was a steady dose of jostling and trash talking throughout the day. Miles Austin was greeted in a similar fashion when he wandered over to the right side of the defense.

This is how Williams conducts his business. Bradley Fletcher couldn’t be any different. He is quiet and soft-spoken and far from an agitator on the field.

Together Williams and Fletcher make up a cornerback duo that is playing a notch above expectations.


"It's been pretty good," said Williams of his partnership with Bradley. "I think we have two different ways of playing. He's more of a guy that likes to play a lot more off or drifting-type man.

"He's a cool dude. I think our relationship has gotten better over the last couple months. We didn't know each other but now that the season is here we've continued to develop both together in this system. I think we've got a lot better chemistry than what people anticipate or might have thought of. We kind of think on the same level. We think on the same wavelengths at times. We look at wide receivers and talk about splits, what routes we can expect in a particular formation. We're always willing to give the other information if we know it. It's about bonding and developing and building friendships. When you build a friendship off the field then on the field it's much easier to go out there and communicate with a guy."

Fletcher is quietly compiling some good stats. His 11 pass break-ups leads the team, is second-best in the NFL and ties a career high for a season. Quarterbacks are completing only 50 percent of their throws in his direction, per Pro Football Focus.  Williams' number in that department is significantly higher (67 percent completion rate) but he is fourth among corners in tackles with 32, per PFF. He has a pair of interceptions on the year compared with one for Bradley.

The Eagles allowed one touchdown through the air against Tony Romo and a potent aerial attack. Williams and Fletcher were put in a healthy amount of one-on-one situations in that game.

“I think the corners had a nice game," said Chip Kelly. "They took turns, both the corners going up against [Bryant]."

Added Billy Davis: "I thought the secondary did a nice job of stepping up to the challenge.  There are a lot of weapons on that team.  And their passing attack is the strength with [Demarco] Murray being out.  So we had a couple different versions of how we were going to get different people help.  Every time you get one person help, one of the other weapons is one‑on‑one.  I think the guys that were on the one‑on‑one part of it really stepped up and played well."

The Eagles signed both corners in free agency this offseason.  They were interested in part because of the size of both Williams (6-1, 190) and Fletcher (6-0, 200). Kelly adhered to his "big people beat up little people" mantra here. The level of physical play at cornerback has taken a noticeable step forward.

The corners' approach is similar in some ways, different in others. Williams likes to go all-out bully by digging into his opponent. Bradley is far more reserved.

"That's not his game. I wouldn't expect him to change and be somebody different," said Williams. "I expect him to just go out there and have fun and play the game with enthusiasm, which he does. We've seen him make some great plays in this defense and we look forward to him making some more plays. I just don't think that's part of his game and I wouldn't change him for the world."

WHAT YOU MISSED

Sheil breaks out the All-22 to see what exactly went wrong with Nick Foles. 

Michael Vick is in line to start against the Giants.

The latest Twitter Mailbag discusses everything from Andy Reid's moves to DeSean Jackson's slumped shoulders.

Kelly is seeing some progress on defense. 

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Andrew Sharp of Grantland is none too impressed with Kelly.

You know the story before I've even written a word. The hotshot college coach who thought he could outsmart pro football. Teach the experts a thing or two. Save his quarterback's career. Spread out his receivers and conquer the big leagues. Press conferences full of hype all summer, then fall arrives, and … crickets. The coach came, he saw, he got conquered. He promised to reinvent the wheel, he left with the engine on fire.

You could throw 15 names into that story over the last 25 years, but this week it's the Eagles mastermind we're talking about. I've started calling him Chump Kelly.

Tommy Lawlor says that you don't need to tank it to find a good quarterback in the draft.

Here are the QBs for NFC playoff teams if the season ended today.

1) Seahawks – Russell Wilson (75th pick)
2) Saints – Drew Brees (32nd pick)
3) Packers – Aaron Rodgers (24th pick)
4) Cowboys – Tony Romo (Undrafted)
5) 49ers – Colin Kaepernick (36th pick)
6) Lions – Matthew Stafford (1st pick)

No one is advocating that you look for the next Tom Brady in the 6th round or that you count on finding the next Russell Wilson in the 3rd round. The point is that you don’t need a Top 10 pick to find the right guy.

COMING UP

The Eagles throw the pads on for today's practice. We'll see what Vick can do.

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  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Andrew Sharp is an idiot. That is all.

    Edit: Okay it may be “satire.” If it is, it’s poorly written that’s for sure.

    • bentheimmigrant

      This might be the one item of consensus we see on the boards today. What kind of superficial nonsense analysis is that?

      • Vick Must Go

        Go back and read the very first sentence. It states: Every now and then, we will attempt to write the worst sports column on earth. Today: Let’s talk about Chip Kelly and the oldest story in the world.

        • bentheimmigrant

          A disclaimer that would have been nice from TMac! I’ll wager he knew exactly what he was doing… What happened to the good old days when we read that kind of stuff from FakeWIPCaller and knew what was what?

    • smallestsmurf

      Try reading it with the voice of Rick Reilly in your head–it will make so much more sense.

      And the comments section for the few people who don’t get it are so priceless.

  • Bullwinkle

    Andrew is exceptionally arrogant. Maybe he was picked on when he was a little boy. Has he accomplished anything significant in his life? I never heard of him before. Just another big mouth.

    • theycallmerob

      It is tongue in cheek

  • theycallmerob

    The Sharp article was satire, everyone! Relax! They do it for the comments section!
    But seriously, there are some great comments under that one. Worth 5 min.

    • Andy124

      I admit, I would not have realized that without you and Vick Must Go pointing that out. I generally just read the blurbs these guys post and don’t click through to the full article.

      Shame on Tim the Intern for not providing that context.

    • B-West

      The #HotSportsTakes series is great. One, it takes shots at all the crappy, lazy writing you get everywhere else (and often drives us crazy in the What They’re Saying posts). Two, as you said, the comments from people unaware of the satire are great. (Although its unfair here because its not pointed out.)

      • The Answer

        Serious question though: Do Sheil & Tim know it’s satire? lol

    • Run Eagles Run

      sounds like they’re doing some real groundbreaking work, trolling their readers. keep up the good work, grantland

  • GEAGLE

    Love our CBs…Wolff gets better every week….add a stud safety to the mix and the secondary will be complete…especially when cox, Thornton,Curry, Logan develope more and we add a stud rush OLB to compliment Barwin….defense isn’t as far away personel wise! as people think….however we still have a ton of developing and gelling to do

    • Richard Colton

      since it’s “Mea Culpa” week on 24/7 – I’ll admit I didn’t like Cary and Fletch at the beginning of the year. I was wrong.

      • GEAGLE

        Our secondary hasn’t even scratched the surface yet…the ball they will play next season will be drastically better then this year…give a guy like Brad Fletch some experience and continuity, and there is no telling how he can improve…Cary/Brad…FIRE/ICE…heck we haven’t even seen what they can do when they are getting help from a probowl quality play making safety…..Cary “bad Cop” Williams, “fiery sconces” The anti NNamdi!!!!!!!
        ….
        it’s not easier to find better CBs then we have….young ones just don’t hit the market, and I despise drafting CBs high because they take too long to settle in….you are better off adding Jarius Byrd type of stud, and giving our CBs the most help possible…there aren’t better CBs to be had..

        Alturren Verner or however you spell his name is an absolute stud! I doubt the titans let him walk. If they can’t lock him up, he will be franchised…the other CBs are older like Peanut and Jennings….
        ….
        C dub and Bfletch…..the future! I can’t even communicate how great it is to see corners who will tackle and not play like complete pussy cats

        • Richard Colton

          so are you saying the Eagles should take a run at Jarius Byrd?

          • GEAGLE

            I’ll have to think about that one and get back to you ;)..

            I would love to crack open the piggy bank and go Orakpo and Byrd…this solidifies the defense and allows us to fix our offense in the draft, letting us add a weapon like Mike Evans or Austin Jenkins, who to me is easily the best TE prospect since Vernon Davis…
            ..
            Signing Orakpo and Byrd, would allow us to really stock pile our offense in the draft…Picture Mike Evans opposite Desean, with Maclin moving to the slot….
            …..
            Or better yet, Picture Austin Sefarian Jenkins replacing Celek, pairing with ERTZY boy to form a Scary TE tandem for years to come…and the adding a big Adrian Robinson opposite of Desean in round 2
            …..
            Desean, Adrian Robinson, Maclin. With Austin Jenkins and Ertz working the middle of the field…now we are talking about a scary Chip Kelly offense….Stack the team this year, and then in 2015 you will have a good team in place, and you can mortgage an entire draft going up to grab the FSU QB, and the young kid would have a good team around him to help carry him during his rookie struggles

          • Richard Colton

            thought we were getting your boy Colt Lyeria in round two to pair with Ertz – Gronk/Hernandez for the new era?!?

          • GEAGLE

            Colt left Oregon…..dude won’t get drafted higher then round 4 now….still don’t know wtf is going on with him…my wish list depends on what happens in FA…if you don’t get Orakpo or Byrd, then I will be desperate for Barr, Beasly, Mack or haha Clinton Dix….if you take care of those needs in FA, then you have the FLEXABILITY to go offense at the top of the draft….if you sign similar quality FA to last year, then you need your top picks to find defensive game changers

          • Tom W

            I think pass rushing olb is more important in the 3-4 and for this defense, but I agree Byrd would have a great impact on the secondary. Any concern about his age? Think Orakpo is a bigger need at a more premium position. However, identifying good safeties in the draft is tough as well … I’m thinking Orakpo and next best available free safety in free agency.

            Qb is still top priority then olb pass rusher followed by big athletic wr and safety. Atleast 10 teams will need a qb next year …. foles may have screwed our chances of trading him for a 2d round pick now after last week’s game. Gotta hope Texans or Bears or Tampa or Cards or Andy want Foles to compete as a starter. Don’t know if any team will trade down and not take bridgewater or mariotta 1-4 instead. Giants maybe but they won’t trade with us.

            I highly doubt the team w the top pick in two years wont need a qb themselves but stranger things have happened.

      • cliff henny

        mine is thinking Maclin’s injury was ‘no big deal’. way off on that

        • Andy124

          Related:
          I thought we’d feature the TEs a lot more.

          • cliff henny

            that one isnt on us fans, kelly did talk it up alot.

          • Andy124

            So it’s not a Mea Culpa, it’s a Kelly Culpa.

          • Richard Colton

            Casey was not on the field for one offensive snap vs. Dallas. Is that a disconnect between Roseman/Kelly? Or did he never really intend to run multiple TE sets and the drafting of Ertz made Casey superfluous? Or does Casey just suck?

            I’m really hoping its not the latter, because it means Dutch will have gotten something correct.

          • BlindChow

            I’m thinking Kelly adjusted his plans based on what he’s seen since he’s been in the NFL. He’s been having success with the 3-Wide set, so he doesn’t see the need to change things up.

          • aub32

            We haven’t really needed to. Kelly brought in the TEs with a plan. We saw some of that plan in preseason. Then the Redskins and Chargers games happened. The TEs dropped passes while the Vick and McCoy combo looked phenomenal. So Kelly stuck with what was producing. I can’t fault the man for that. I prefer he do that than stick to his original plan despite seeing how effective his current offense is.

          • #7

            Related:
            I touted Riley Cooper. He’s finally learning to use his size. Making me look kinda smart

          • Richard Colton

            amazing. so your Mea Culpa is you were actually more correct than you first thought? And I’ll stick to my guns here: Reilly Cooper is not a starting WR on a Superbowl team. Or at the very least, not a top 4 offensive option.

          • aub32

            He’s a good #4 guy though. If we can get a #1a or #2 WR, I wouldn’t mind keeping Cooper.

          • #7

            Hey we need to take what we can get from the kid. He’s stepped up his play a bit. Not saying he’s a future star or anything, but my thinking at the start of the season was that Coop would be a good compliment to #10 because of his size and he could use that to make the tough catches that Jackson doesn’t always do. Appears that he finally playing up to his size, that’s all

          • aub32

            He’s had some favorable matchups the past two weeks and will have two more in the weeks to follow. However, I still think he can be taken away when facing even slightly above average CBs. Luckily there doesn’t seem to be many in this division.

          • #7

            Works in our favor. Dallas was manning him up and he was getting catches. Again, not saying he’s a star in the making or anything.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah but Coop was never supposed to be a number 2….if we can add a Mike Evans, Adrain Robinson type of big Boy, I would love to have Riley as their backup…
            ..
            Desean, Adrian Robinson, Maclin and Rejus benn(keep both cheap and hope one pans out), Cooper, Avant is a WR corp that I can get excited over

          • GEAGLE

            You are touting Cooper? Lol He is only good cause FOles knows how to use him…he is worthless with Vick under center, so it’s weird to see him praised by a Vick NUTHugger

          • #7

            Did you not see the theme going on up above? What’s with the name calling. Make yourself feel better about yourself?

            Go sit down somewhere and have a cigarette.

          • GEAGLE

            Name calling?

      • Token

        Cary has been pretty bad as hes always been. Still not sure what people are seeing there.

        Fletch will probably stick around as a #2.

        • aub32

          I wouldn’t call him terrible. The guy is no Dimitri Patterson. Like him or not, he did help hold a team that was scoring an average of 31 points to 17. Terrible CBs don’t do that, especially when you include the fact we don’t exactly have great safeties helping him out.

          • Token

            Im kinda of the belief it was just a Romo off day. He was missing throws he doesnt usually miss. Its not like guys werent open. I kind of think we are getting a bit high on the D after this week. I was as shocked as anyone at holding them to 17, but I dont think thats going to start being the norm.

            I doubt Cary is here next year at 6.4 million.

            Both corners have had it rough though. We get next to no rush. We need at least one new starting OLB next year. Thats very key going into next year. Need someone to get after the passer.

            If we can assume Thornton and Cox continue to progress, thats a big plus. But still need a rush OLB, good NT, at very least one new ILB and at least one safety.

            But Thornton has been a surprise so far. Hope he isnt a flash in the pan. Its really a leg up if he can handle the other end spot for years.

          • #7

            Token sometimes you have to give credit where it due. CBs have improved over time

          • aub32

            But that would mean he’d have to admit he was….gulp….wrong

          • #7

            Not in his DNA apparently

          • Token

            Cary has still been getting beaten to a pulp. A few overthrows save his butt and now people want to praise him? Hey, to each their own. Im just saying what im seeing out there. Cary sucks.

          • #7

            Ok sure, but does he make the tackle at least?

            Yes.

            I’m glad to see a DB of ours tackle, unlike last year’s duo

          • Token

            Would I take him over Nambi Pambi? Sure.

          • Clamdigger

            Were they overthrows or on-target throws where the WR’s route was disrupted?

          • aub32

            So would you replace Cary over getting an OLB? Cary isn’t ideal, but he isn’t so bad that he’s the #1 priority. You keep making statements about this guy or that guy is gone for sue without any suggestion of how to replace them. Getting an OLB, NT and S are going to cost resources. Resources spent on those positions are resources we can’t spend finding a #1 CB. Also, there are 31 other teams competing to get the same resources.

        • Richard Colton

          I like Fletch as a number 2 CB as well. In the offseason, I thought Cary would be a trainwreck, between “sconce-gate” and his first few games giving every punch-and-judy WR a 15yd cushion. I was surprised by how well he’s played last few weeks. If he keeps it up, good signing.

      • OldDocRoss

        I liked Fletcher well enough as a short-term starter. Cary, not so much. Both have played above expectations.

        My real faux pas was Casey. Thought he’d be a huge hit here. Hideously wrong so far on that.

        Do I need a mea culpa for thinking Bryce Brown would have a great year? Because that too.

        • Richard Colton

          Yep. All is forgiven this week. I think BB caught a lot of us. I had a moment of insanity where I thought the Eagles should pull a Trent Richardson and trade Shady for a boatload of pics, because Brown was younger and just as good.

          Mea Culpa…Mea Culpa…Mea Maxima Culpa

  • evanphilly

    I get the satire and all, but I think i would rather read “The Best of Phil Sheridan” about 15 times, rather than another one of Sharp’s articles.

    I also get what Lawlor is trying to say, but finding those diamonds in the rough is like finding a diamond in a rough.

    • cliff henny

      get his point, but it’s all about percentages. know we dont like to admit it, but draft is in-exact science. every team will have a bust out of their top 3 picks, just happens. take every udfa qbs to try out to get 1 romo, how many countless 6th rounders have been drafted to get a brady, compare that to when a team pinpoints and makes moves to acquire desired qb. still looking at a sizable failure rate, just have hope kelly can make another qb look good. why he’s getting 35m. seems worst strategy is to be drafting in 7-12 range and letting 3rd or 4th option fall, like the trent dilfer’s of the world, ok but you can tell from day 1 they need a ton of talent around them.

      • evanphilly

        Yessir, totally agree. And therein lies the problem: Vick is the best option for this team to win games, but do you necessarily want to win games if it means getting a lower draft pick?

        • aub32

          YES, YES, a million times YES. You never know what will happen in the draft. Players bust, they get hurt, they get arrested, they get fat, or any number of things.

          • Richard Colton

            on in the case of Vince Young, all of the above.

          • aub32

            Exactly, and he looked to be as sure a thing there is at QB.

  • GEAGLE

    Anyone watch the bills game Sunday? I know the stats, but can someone speak on how Byrd looked coming back from injury?

    Keep an eye on LSU safety Craig Loston

    • cliff henny

      when he’s in Eagle green i’ll watch. our game was torture enough, who would sit thru a bill’s game ontop of that?! all i know is celek’s 4m coming off cap when released gets them halfway to byrd

      • aub32

        I like Celeck, but I really can’t see how anyone could make a case for him being brought back. He’s had a number of drops and moving him would allow Casey to see the field.

        • cliff henny

          he’s basically a blocking TE now. that’s fine, but not worth 4m. i’d cut casey too. he’s 4m but only 1m dead. could pay carrier 700k to do what he’s doing, now only 1m away from byrd. cut benn, he’s 1m no dead, bam, just got you byrd

          • aub32

            Casey may be worth the money if he gets more PT. We brought him here for a reason. I’m not so quick to just throw him away, especially with the cap hit. Also, we will still need a backup for Ertz.

          • Andy124

            With the recent history of players us fans wanted to play but not seeing the field (Graham last year, Curry early this year, anybody but Nnambi last year), followed by the fans being validated, I think we all have every right to want to see Casey and not give the coaches much benefit of the doubt here.

          • aub32

            I don’t think you can mix up last year and this year. Last year’s mistakes were on a different coaching staff. This coaching staff hasn’t given us everything we have called for but for good reason. I want to see what Casey can do, but look at the all 22. He wasn’t needed in the Dallas game. The guys that were on the field were getting open. The scheme was working. We were the #2 offense up until this past game, even though we still left yards and points on the field. Why change what isn’t broken?

          • GEAGLE

            You guys are nuts talking about cutting Casey lol. he will show his worth by the end of next season

          • aub32

            I was defending him.

          • GEAGLE

            I know…didn’t mean to respond to you,,,so much negativity about him, that I wanted to post my response at the bottom! and you were there last post on the totem pole???wasn’t a shot at you. My bad for the mix up

          • cliff henny

            he’s fine this year, i have issue with him next year. we know the eagles are a slave to the cap. keep casey/dont, he’s more of a kicking boy for my overall point, roster needs upgraded and it has about 8 guys who can be released to free up serious cap space. cant play with scared money, no-d free agency f-up will be going on 3 yrs…get back into the game. no reason eagles cant get 2 or 3 really good free agents, and still have plenty of room on roster for last 2 drafts plus upcoming to play.

          • GEAGLE

            We have the second most cap space in these NFL a right now without cutting anyone…not to mention the money we are carrying over…plenty of guys will be cut, others will walk in FA…I would bet that Casey is here next year

          • cliff henny

            good to have you back posting. not many on here like to or care about cap, which is strange to me, cause nfl is all about the cap. i dont hate casey, thought he was ok signing, my guess is ertz messed up plan. we just ended up talking about him, so he just happened to be the guy when my ‘get as much cap as possible’ theme starter. could of been avant, soap, chung, celek. kelly just came a yr to earlier to transform roster. clear cap and upgrade.

          • Richard Colton

            he didn’t play a snap last week. I was excited by the signing, but what’s the deal?

          • aub32

            He isn’t needed.

          • Richard Colton

            I would still put TE on the list of things we need, considering Celek’s decline and Ertz taking time to develop. It’s really disappointing seeing a top free agent “get” that can’t crack this lineup.

          • aub32

            We don’t play enough 12 personnel to warrant playing a backup TE. Ertz gets down the field better than some WRs. Celeck is the best blocker. Casey is the odd man out. There just isn’t a need for power formations with Vick and McCoy.

          • Richard Colton

            What about the 2+ games with Foles? What about the H-back formations with the TE? Casey (unlike Celek) actually played some fullback at Texas, so shouldn’t he be a better blocker than a guy with more injured than well parts? The fact that he can’t grab playing time from Celek and the rookie when neither is looking like Mark Bavaro is telling. I’m getting ready to say the signing was a total bust.

          • aub32

            What about the 2+ games with Foles? We molly whopped the Giants and Bucs. There were guys open all over the place against Dallas. The scheme works and unfortunately for Casey, he’s the odd man out until Celeck is gone.

          • Richard Colton

            So for Casey, hypothetical gun to your head – bust or not a bust?

          • GEAGLE

            Chip didn’t just come to philly and unleash his entire playbook….he will install his playbook as he goes along. there are sets and plays that Chip has in his back pocket that we wont even see til 2015….I. Believe it’s simply not tie yet to install the 3TE portion of his playbook…..there is an art to installing nan offense…a sequence of plays…I will start by running this, when they adjust! I will counter and go with thi and so on, and so on…..I just think it simply hasn’t been time to install that portion of the playbook……but I have see. Casey play, so I’m convinced he will be a valuable weapon for us in the future….patience grasshopper!! Lol

          • cliff henny

            4m backup..you are very generous. 1m dead isnt bad. it’s those 6-8m dead’s that really hurt. have to whack alot of 1m dead guys to feel to much effect on cap, especially when it frees up 3m to get impact players. turning splinter guys into all-pros, i’m taking that trade-off

          • aub32

            Did you see how many big injuries there were this past week? If you have talent and can afford it, you keep that player. I don’t like the idea of cutting guys witout having a replacement. Casey was brought in because he has talent. He hasn’t seen the field because Celeck was and is the #1 guy, and Ertz can become something special. However, I’m not for cutting Casey and just assuming any guy off the street or who flashed in preseason can replace him. Look at the Giants. They suck, and I mean suck at TE. They’ve brought in guys like Jacobs, Hillis, and Beason. Don’t you think if there were any talent available at TE they would go get them. Now if we manage to find a guy in the offseason via FA or a late round pick, goodbye Casey. Until then I think he stays.

          • cliff henny

            here’s where i agree wih dutch. casey 4m to harbor/ carrier700k vs allen to getting closer to byrd. individually, casey is better, but let’s not act like he cant easily be replaced (mostly cause he isnt even playing!) the team will benefit overall by getting byrd. we’re talking 30-40th guys on roster being converted to top 5. an injury to celek or casey wouldnt dramatically change the face of an eagles team being put on field like a starting rb.
            .
            yes, the assumptions is next yr, ertz has to become #1 TE. didnt draft him34th to be #2.

          • aub32

            My point is the 4 million isn’t crippling us by any means, especially once we cut, restructure, and not resign some players. Casey’s contribution to the team this year could be replaced by me, I would have caught that Chargers TD though lol. However, next year we will need a good #2 guy. If we have Casey, then we are set at TE. He will then get to show us or at least the coaches that he’s worth keeping rather than grabbing some JAG.

          • cliff henny

            you want casey and etrz at TE w/ 4m middle of road safety or ertz/harbor-carrier/late round blocker TE with byrd at safety? i see no reason to not free up 2.2m (casey 3m, have to pay harbor something, say 800m). guy cant even get on the field even as bad as celek is playing. Aub, being very generous to a guy who gets on field in victory formation. think casey is fine, just not worth money that can be freed up. mostly, i’m in mindset, if a guy can be cut, he needs to go, need to turn 10 marginal players into impact players. this roster needs turned over

          • aub32

            Cliff what are you talking about??? Who said I didn’t want Byrd. I specifically pointed out how we can easily afford Casey and have more than enough to go after big mane FAs. I would prefer Byrd and Casey over Harbor and Byrd. That’s what I am saying. The safety and TE issue are mutually exclusive. We have plenty of cap room for both. So why would I need to jettison Casey in order to sign Byrd?

          • cliff henny

            my point is, need to free up money. want an olb and a corner too. i just see easy no impact freed up money. turn these casey’s, benn, celek, soapago into byrd-the money works out to over 8m freed, with low end replacements. need to do that couple times over. might have to settle for lower talent in back end, but win with impact players…plus, be nice to crush a draft or 2.

          • aub32

            Then you become the Cowboys with huge names and no depth. We can’t use FA to solve all of our problems. Look at what happened in 2011. Also paying top dollar doesn’t mean we are getting the best guy. Fletch wasn’t some big money name, but he’s looking like quite a pick up. Soap, Celeck, and Benn, will likely be gone. Peters and Ryans will likely restructure. We already have 20+ mill rolling over into next year. How much money do you need. This isn’t madden where you can just buy the best team. We need good players for depth. Clay, Iggy, or Carrier can still be brought in for peanuts as the 3rd TE. If Ertz were to go down, do you really want Harbor as you starting TE?

          • cliff henny

            i want it all off! lol…trust me, i know the cap space backwards and forwards. actually, i’d resign peters and d-jax to more cap friendly numbers, d-jax is 12m against, peters 10, get that to 14m combined, free 8m. think above i put olb, meant ilb, 7m for ryans can be transfered to guy much younger. dont mind renego there either. avant is 4m against, 700 dead, he might have to go too. never liked chung, he’s another 2.5m freed. cole and graham get another yr(just too expensive to cut), hopefully draft olb and celek’s replacement mid draft. if done well, this really isnt that difficult of an overhaul, or at least obvious what is needed can howie get players? not locked into any bad contracts besides cole and herrmanns, williams come off after ’14 too, be buyers again with another 16m freed. i’m with Geagle, it’s all about ’15 for me…do want to win while getting there

          • aub32

            I see our disconnect. I simply thought you were just playing Madden GM, when in fact you are playing monopoly

          • cliff henny

            i get that all wont be off, but last thing i want is someone like casey, sop, chung being on team and eagles not spending extra 1m to bring in byrd. beauty of being a fan, i can extrapolate out to extremes.

          • Token

            What makes you think he was brought in because he has talent? Are you going off all the other people Howie brought in with bunches of talent?

          • aub32

            I’m going off of what was reported over the summer and what Kelly said. I don’t know about you, but I’ve completely bought what Kelly is selling. He doesn’t appear to have favorites, and the guy knows offense. So if he kept a guy around, then I figure the guy must be here for a reason. You don’t have to agree with that logic. I think Casey can play. He’s no stud, but I would keep him as a #2 guy behind Ertz and let Celeck walk, and I’m a Celeck fan.

          • Token

            Doesnt have favorites? Jeff Mahel is getting playing time man. Look how long it took for Curry to get snaps.

            Based on moves in this first year, I dont trust Kelly on personnel. Its impossible to know what moves was Kelly and what was Howie. We know Howie doesnt make right choices. But Mahel was Kelly. Ertz and Casey were Kelly IMO.

            Its not really worth arguing. You think Casey has talent because you like Kelly. I dont understand that. Kelly brought the guy in, gave him a bundle of money, and he still doesnt see the field. Even with just Celek and Ertz ahead of him. That tells you all you need to know.

            The guy is gone.

          • aub32

            The fact that Casey isn’t seeing the field despite the money tells me Kelly doesn’t have favorites. Celeck is a better blocker. Ertz has star ability. So Caey is the odd man out because I’m sure not even Kelly expected us to be so effective in 11 personnel. However, if Celeck is gone, we are going to need a #2 guy.

            Yes Maehl is seeing the field. Who is he sitting so that Maehl can get in the game? Now if Kelly was taking snaps from DJax to play Maehl, then grab your pitchfork and I’ll bring the torches. He’s sitting Riley Cooper. The same Riley Cooper that we were all calling to be benched for not having the ability to get open. I guess you could make a case for DJ2, but Kelly stressed big guys beat up little guys. Name a smaller tandem than DJ and DJ2. So yes Maehl gets snaps. I have no problem with that. I never bought into Shepard. Fans loved him because of his after practice work ethic. He failed to do anything in the preseason. Salas good hands but lacked athleticism. We already have that guy on our team.

            We can cry about Curry until we are blue in the face, but none of us knows why he wasn’t playing early. Maybe he really didn’t understand the system. We are almost midway through the season. It would make sense that he understands it more now than he did then and as such is now seeing more PT. Let’s not act like he was benching JJ Watt.

          • Token

            You bring in some UDFA or late rounder to backup TE. You dont keep a James Casey. They realize what a awful mistake that was.

          • cliff henny

            4m insurance for a roster in process of being made. get why they brought him here, not a sal cap crippler. he’s fine, i just see 3m freed up next yr on a guy not bringing any production to team. seems like an easy no impact move to me.

          • aub32

            No impact this year does not mean no imapct next year. If Celeck is gone in 2014, do you really think Casey won’t see the field? Some times talented guys don’t see the field because of what is in front of them. That doesn’t mean they don’t have talent. They just have to wait their turn.

          • cliff henny

            com’on, guy is not an impact player. shady d-jax vick a times..well, that’s about all we have lol…my point, we need more. dont need to pay the casey’s of the nfl 4m. no issue with projecting, but project out ertz, not a 28yr old middle of the road guy

          • Token

            He didnt see the field AT ALL over a rookie and a guy who isnt very good. And he got a bunch of money. That tells you all you need to know about what they think of him.

            Lets just stop this. terrible argument.

          • aub32

            The rookie was a 2nd round pick with more upside than anyone on offense outside of Shady and Djax. You say Celeck isn’t any good, but he’s the 2nd best TE in this division and one of the better TEs in the league. Also, he’s a better blocker than Casey. That means something when you’re the #1 rushing team in the league.

          • Token

            One of the better TEs in the league?

            Ok man, I cant keep this going. Arguing with homers is just a waste of time. Your right. Ertz has shown hes clearly a stud in the making and hes learning from one of the best TEs in the NFL.

          • GEAGLE

            Really? You are trashing Ertz already? Lol….wtf is wrong with people?

          • Token

            Trashing? No.

            Acting like hes shown hes a stud already? Of course not.

          • GEAGLE

            Why the hell would he be a stud already? Wtf???

          • aub32

            Please look at Celeck’s numbers instead of just being the hater you so often are.

          • Token
          • Token

            Yea arguing over it is kinda dumb I guess. The guy has no shot at sticking around.

          • aub32

            Didn’t you say the same about Vick? Or that Kelly would never be the coach here. I wouldn’t really go with your predictions based on your track record.

      • GEAGLE

        Heck…Vicks 7mil gets you Byrd lol

        • aub32

          Too bad he will be back

          • #7

            No reason why he shouldn’t be

          • GEAGLE

            Lol ok…. I actually don’t care what they do at QB til 2015. The team needs plenty of improvement around the QB position…if we have a good enough draft and free agency this year, then another decent free agency in 2015, we could have a good enough team in place to where we can afford to trade away an entire draft, going up to get the FSU QB…
            ….
            This is the most impatiently ridiculous fanbase ever…I don’t want to bring in another young QB to play behind this slop. Spend the next offseason building up the team so it can be good enough to carry a rookie QB in 2015 and give the kid a real chance to succeed…play FOles the rest of the year, and if he doesn’t show enough to take over in 2014, bring back Vick or go to Barkley for all I care….

            The NEXT TIME that I want to draft a QB will be when we have a roster like the Niners had when they decided to play Kapernick, or a Roster like Seattle had when they placed Wilson under center….and if you don’t waste assets investing in QBs this offseason, hit on the right players, and continue to develope the young guys we have…we aren’t that far away from having a good roster surrounding the QB

          • #7

            Wow I agree with you

          • Token

            lol.

      • GEAGLE

        Love watching bills defense!!?I’m obsessed with KIKO!!!

    • Token

      Only played half the snaps, was their 3rd safety. Easing him back in I guess.

      • GEAGLE

        Thanks

  • #7

    CBs have been quietly improving. DeMeco “Preach” Ryan is finally getting his name called for something positive. Curry PT is rising. Nate Allen…haven’t heard his name called for much negativity.

    Progress? Seems like it

  • SoCalEaglesFan

    Tommy Lawlor says…? good lord! Why oh why does anyone care what that message board hack has to say about anything?

    “No one is advocating that you look for the next Tom Brady in the 6th round or that you count on finding the next Russell Wilson in the 3rd round.”

    Yes, that’s exactly what you’re advocating when you make a list of successful QB’s not drafted in the top 5. Bottom line is that the overwhelming majority of successful NFL QB’s come from the top of the first round. And it will always be that way.

    If the Eagles want a franchise QB, they need to figure out how to get into the top of the first round. Top 4 or 5 at least if not higher. Nobody on the current roster (or draft picks) should be off limits to trade up to get there. Nobody! Washington did it to get RGIII and the Eagles must follow suit if they want any chance of being a competitive team going forward. Kelly will fail without a legitimate franchise QB.