Shurmur: Foles For Now, Future TBD

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Nick Foles is the man out front as preparation for Dallas begins.

Michael Vick was on the field at the start of practice Tuesday but is still nursing a hamstring injury. Pat Shurmur suggested that Foles will be taking the first-team reps to start the week. What he said next was interesting.


"I can probably answer some of the [questions] that are going to come along here. Coach Kelly will address those issues about who the quarterback is when both of them are healthy. At this point we'll go with Nick, and when Mike's healthy we'll have that discussion."

That is different then saying, "when Mike's healthy he's our guy." There is a discussion to be had, apparently.

If you notice, the conversation is changing. Chip Kelly, when asked following the Giants game if Vick is the starter when healthy, firmly responded, “Yes.”

On Monday when asked if that is still the case, Kelly said: "Until we know what the health is I'm not saying what anybody or anybody is."

For now, the quarterback decision is based on health. How about when Vick's hamstring is all healed up? That's where the intrigue lies.

Davis discusses Chung's injury

Billy Davis also spoke with the media Tuesday and provided some information on the nature of Patrick Chung's injury. He said that "it's a nerve thing" in Chung's bad shoulder, and that the safety has been having it looked at by the doctors over the last couple days.

Chung, after missing the previous two games, left early against the Bucs after aggravating the injury.

"We tested it and it failed the test," said Davis. "There's a lot of pain involved so right now he's getting a couple different things looked at so we'll see. We'll go day-to-day with Patrick and see how it's coming along."

Last week Davis described the injury as "unique."

"It's a wild card when you're dealing with the kind of injury he has."

Earl Wolff will play alongside Nate Allen if Chung can't go.

Jason Peters (shoulder) and Chris Polk (shoulder) were on the field to start practice but appeared to be limited participants.

 

 

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  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Eh..I still think they are playing coy. With that said it will be good to see Foles against a team with wins under their belt.

    • EaglePete

      yup, need to see this team beat a decent opponent for once regardless of who is under center. That hasnt changed. Get ready for the reporters and natl media to give a barrage of questions to MV and CK, here come the QB controversy headlines whether we fans like it or not. I guess it could change by end of week to keep Dallas on their toes but I really dont think so.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        With Ware out it should be a good day for either QB, particularly if Kiffkin sticks with Cover 2 (they have been playing some man recently so it’ll be interesting) BUT Romo has been putting up some big numbers lately. This has all the makings of a shootout, and b/c of that I cant’ call it. Our D is still our D.

    • BlindChow

      I agree, playing great against a solid defense just wasn’t enough. What we really need to see is Foles play a team with a bad defense but good offense. That’s what really sets QB’s apart these days: how good their team’s defense performs against opposing offenses!

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Your blind love of Foles is amusing.

        Good or Okay teams find a way to win even when parts of them are bad (see we’re 3-3) and the Giants and Tampa are 0-11…Tampa’s D alone wasn’t good enough to solve their problems AND combined with the internal chaos there, there 0-5 is representative of the team they are now.

        So yes…it matters to see any QB win against teams that have won something. And ONCE AGAIN, playing zone against us is DUMB. Even it that’s your defensive identity. Kelly’s offense is designed to pick that a part EVERY time.

        • BlindChow

          Oh, relax. I was just making light of you setting up a new “test” every week for Foles to prove his worth.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            LOL.

            Are you serious? I have no “test” for Foles to prove his worth. Kelly did that. He’s the backup until announced otherwise.

            BUT since folk are so juiced for him to be the starter after 1.5 quarters against winless teams, then like I said, it would be nice to see how he plays against a team who has won something and really has something to fight for.

        • EaglePete

          Ill say this again, regardless of their record, Tampa is way way better with Glennon at QB. He didnt play that bad really and I think they will win some games with him with that defense. Way better than Freeman anyway whatever thats worth. Had their good D even slowed down the Eagles a tad, that was anyones game to win so I dont blow it off as an ofer team as much as some. But I do agree this Eagles team needs to beat some good competition because it really hasnt in a long long time and that counts for something.

          • aub32

            I don’t know what game you watched. Glennon stunk. He looked ok at times because our D isn’t all that good. I give Foles all credit he’s due. I thought he would win, bur I didn’t expect him to do as well as he did. That being said, Dallas doesn’t have as good a defense as Tampa, but the pressure to score and keep up with Romo should show us more than what he showed in Tampa.

          • Brian

            Foles appears to have a calm demeanor on the field. I hope it’s real, because you’re right. We’ll be in a shootout on Sunday.

          • aub32

            My worry is that if Foles gets down big early he will try to press too hard. We see hints of this when he’s always trying to throw passes as he’s going down. We don’t need that.

          • cliff henny

            think till kelly retires with 5 Super Bowl trophies, every game is going to be a shootout

          • aub32

            He has to try and get some defensive talent eventually, right?

          • cliff henny

            he’ll put 11 out there, sure. days of JJ are long gone.

          • aub32

            JJ isn’t the only good DC in the history of the NFL. We have good young pieces in Cox and Boykin. We have solid vets in Thorton, Barwin, and Fletch. There are a lot of holes, but who knows what this defense will look like in 2015.

          • cliff henny

            meant the ‘hold them to 17′ days. kelly want max possessions, TOs and sacks. he’ll live with 24-27 if it gets him the ball often and w/ short fields.

          • aub32

            I can agree with that. I didn’t think that’s what you meant.

          • theycallmerob

            I don’t think he is against it; we were just much closer to a good O than a good D this year. I don’t fault Kelly for the bare cupboard on that side, nor his decision to go 2gap 34 immediately.

            I still believe a stud rush OLB will improve about 4 others on this D. Baby steps

          • cliff henny

            kruger is waiting in wings…who knows… some point, eagles will get the ‘where did this guy come from’ pro-bowler. like the pieces, safety has to be #1, but after that, so many ways to go with defense. i do see promise.

      • aub32

        I get you are being sarcastic, but that really is how the good teams play now a days. Look at how many shoot outs there were in the play offs despite defenses like Baltimore, San Fran, and Seattle playing.

        • BlindChow

          I agree. There is definitely something to be said for clutch play when your defense is choking. Vick couldn’t consistently get us into the end zone in Denver, so now we’ll get a chance to see how Foles does when the opposing team is racking up points…

  • Stuart Philp

    This is a big test for Foles this week. If he can pull off the divisional win that will go a long way towards him starting. If he struggles, I imagine Vick will be back the following week, assuming he’s healthy.

    • Token

      If Foles looks good again in a big win against a division rival Id say we will likely never see Vick in a Eagle uniform again. I think they would move on, Foles with Barkley as the next option.

      • Andy

        Objectively I would have to think that even if Foles gets promoted based on his performance that Vick will spend the remainder of the season as his back-up over Barkley.

        • Token

          Maybe in title. But if Foles got injured it would be Barkley that played IMO.

          • cliff henny

            i’ve seen enough vick. like kelly got some real games with him, see what works. now, foles can run spread quick passing game. use package plays. kelly’s learning, should help next qb. stay competitive,win some games, it’s win/win

          • Aunt Esther

            What if Foles struggles this week? Last week, he rebounded from three consecutive three and outs and made some very nice throws in the second half. But what if he can’t move the ball consistently? What if teams take away the short pass and stuff the box? I would be enormously confident if a healthy Vick were taking the field in this game. With Foles, I think we’ll win but our defense will need to step up.

          • cliff henny

            i dont think a good qb with some skills will struggle with kelly and those weapons-plus dallas defense should be vulnerable. i see foles as a nfl backup, so i’m sure i’ll at least see that. have his moments, have some issues.

          • Andy

            Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But Vick has actually played quite well in the games he started. Sheil’s analysis each week generally confirms this. The team’s record was poor mostly due to the defense. He surpassed my expectations coming into the season and led what has been one of the top offenses in football through four games. Foles has done very well also. But I couldn’t see CK making Barkley the choice over Vick.

          • Aunt Esther

            You don’t even believe this. So what’s your game? Nevermind.

          • Brian

            Only if Vick isn’t 100% healthy.

      • aub32

        That makes no sense. I’m on board that if Foles beats Dallas, you stick with him. However, if he goes down Vick has to start. Do you really hate Vick that much that you would put Barkley ahead of him?

        • nicksaenz1

          What if Foles plays well in a shootout? Start him then?

          • aub32

            Depends on the context of the game. I am not solely a stat guy. If Foles gets down early and then puts up numbers in garbage time, I say start Vick. If Foles has a Peyton-Romo esque shootout and loses then start him next week. My worry about Foles is he isn’t dynamic enough to compensate for this defense. Consistently he and Vick bring the same production to the table. However, I have seen Vick get hot. No one can stop him. Maybe Foles has that ability. I think Dallas will require him to show it.

          • nicksaenz1

            Agree with context meaning something. If we get down early and Foles leads a comeback that falls just short, I’d still want Foles to be the guy. If he starts Schaubing us, then sure, I can see the case for bringing Vick back in.

          • aub32

            The come back has to be meaningful in my opinion. A comeback like how RG3 “came back” on us is meaningless. Foles has to play well without Dallas taking their foot off the gas. I think that’s a reasonable expectation.

          • NJDIII

            I like foles something about him taking monster hits and walking back to the huddle like nothing happened. That being said Kelly is smart and isn’t afraid to try something different. Why not study New Orleans and DB. When he takes a snap he drops back into a different time zone, why? Bc he is short and has a good enough arm that it doesn’t matter. I think Vick would benefit in a few different ways. 1 he would be able to see more of field, 2 it would set up middle screens to shady and TE’s, 3 with Vicks speed he would be able to determine if the rush was getting close and have an extra step to make a move 4 not get balls batted back at line . If he could incorporate some of NO’s passing principles Vicks the guy if not Foles dynamic or not is the right option.

      • Aunt Esther

        With all due respect, this is just totally irrational. We get that you’d like Vick out of town, but Vick will certainly remain on the team this year no matter what, and in all likelihood, next year as well. Kelly is here to win games not validate the burning desires of hysterical fans. Let’s see Foles light it up against Dallas. It could happen — just became a lot more likely with the Ware injury. But until then, and until Vick approaches health, this is merely a parlor game, and the worst kind. No team that wants to win games in the NFL, or values its veterans in the locker-room, or has self-respect, or sanity, would ever want the rookie Matt Barkley to be one snap away from the field. The team would fold like a cheap suit if Kelly ever thought with your mind-set.

        • EaglePete

          its not completely irrational to think they wouldnt go back to Vick if they want to test what they have. I think that scenario only plays out if the division starts to get away from them and they have no shot at a wildcard. But ya, I think more than likely they would def go back to Vick. I disagree that Vick will be here next yr though, I think he goes elsewhere to either compete to start or be a backup although he does like living in Philly.

  • Token

    Its pretty much happening the way it happened with Reid. “Hes our guy” becomes “we will evaluate everything” becomes “Foles will be our starter”. Same song and dance.

    Anyway. Another tough game coming up. Dallas has good ST and a offense that could really do damage. Romo is completing 70% of his balls. Really hope we can find a way to get pressure this week.

    Not sure what to think of the Dallas D. Heard they have been running a lot of man. Having their best player out is a bonus. Claibourne was playing awful and lost his starting gig, dunno if thats changed.

    Curious to see how Foles reacts here. Coming off two good games. Big divisional game. Its the most meaningful game hes played up to this point in his career by far.

    • cliff henny

      heard opposite, kiffen is still running tampa 2. now he’s down to all 2nds and 3rds across whole d-line, shouldnt have too much of a pass rush. if foles doesnt shine this week again,win or lose, i’ll be surprised.
      .
      no murray either, need to get back to buddy ryan ball…kill the qb, nothing else matters. he gets time with those recrs, eagles secondary will get toasted often

      • Token

        Shurmer said they run a lot of man with single high safety. So I dunno, guess we will see.

        I think we are gonna have to put up a bunch of points.

        We are on like a 8 game losing streak at home right? Just awful. That streak has to be put to a end Sunday.

        • anon

          playing these next two at home makes me nervous.

          • Token

            i know, how sad is that?

          • EaglePete

            I 2nd that. Hey, this is where it all changes…time to get back home field advantage at the stinc.

          • damrvrhunter

            Good one on the phrase “stinc”!

          • BlindChow

            We could always MRSA the Linc and move the games to a neutral site, where’d we’d have a chance at winning…

        • cliff henny

          he would know. like the single high…d-jax eats that up. see how much man they run without ware’s pressure. that’s asking to give up chunks.
          .
          hold them under 30, definite win. but may be a first to 40 wins

        • aub32

          They played a lot of man against Washington. Car followed Garcon all over the field and will likely be the guy on DeSean. Claibourne looked better last week, and I do not like the matchup of him against Cooper. This game should be huge for our TEs against their safties. I can see Foles looking for Celeck and Ertz a lot on Sunday.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Let’s hope Celek holds on to the damn ball.

          • Joe from Easton

            Celek has one drop this year. Get over it. Every other comment is about how Vick’s receiver’s drop sure touchdowns, blah blah blah. It was one drop! I know he’s had the dropsies the last few seasons, but this season he has one.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            lol.

            You do realize the comment was about Celek and had NOTHING to do with Vick right?

          • Joe from Easton

            I do; but I was simply connecting the dots as I’ve seen you bash Celek multiple times for that drop while you’re defending your stance on Vick. I guess I figured your statement was cryptic or hinting at that drop or at least based on that drop. Was I wrong?

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “but I was simply connecting the dots”

            There were no dots to connect. Celek has a history of stone hands. This year as well, it wasn’t one drop…it was other balls hitting him dead in his hands and him not hauling them in.

            That isn’t a QB issue. That’s a Celek issue, which is why it was a Celek comment. Celek needs to catch the ball – notice how that statement isn’t QB specific.

          • anon

            Not all drops are created equal.

          • theycallmerob

            That has not been a problem.
            19 targets, 11 receptions, 1 drop credited to Celek.
            http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/

    • HowboutdemIggles

      He played well vs Dallas last season, I think he has it in him to be a respectable quarterback, I just don’t think he’s a fluke type of QB this is similar to the SF situation last season, they played really well with Alex Smith, because he’s a smart quarterback, just like Nick Foles is. He honestly did something I’ve never really seen Vick do, and that was pump fake to get the safety to bite like he did to Mark Barron. I don’t know about you, but there is something to be said about Riley Cooper having his best game, and the Offensive line only giving up two sacks with Nick Foles playing.

      • cliff henny

        look out my man, those last 2 lines are ‘chum in the water’ for vick-fans

      • aub32

        I won’t even go into how much of the Foles Koolaid you are drinking. hahahaha. Love how any time any QB does anything it’s “the first time any QB has done the simplest thing ever”. I like Foles, but some of you are just too much.

        • HowboutdemIggles

          No that’s not the point I’m talking about something Vick rarely does, don’t strawman my argument. Foles is more of a traditional QB in that he does some things Michael Vick doesn’t do, in checking down when nothings there, utilizing his other reads, and not being afraid to throw it away and being 6’6″ 230 isn’t the biggest thing, but encouraged and what I want in a QB for when they take a good hit, unlike Vick in most cases. I’ll root for Vick if he’s playing well, I wrote a poem about the Redskins game in 2010, so I’m not some hater of Vick. But it’s funny when Vick does something it’s something no other QB can do, but when Nick does it, it’s against nobodies and bad teams.

          • anon

            I think if we didn’t have the KC / SD losses (or were more competitive against denver) people would be more behind Vick. Even when Vick has played well we’ve taken an L so that removes some of the luster of his play. If he’d played equally as well and we were 5-1 (which i think a lot of people feel we should be), I doubt we have these conversations. The adage is true, QBs get too much praise and too much blame. At the end of the day it’s a team game, to say that Vick doesn’t utilize other reads or throw the ball away just isn’t true. I think he could be better at anticipating throws and checking down but different QBs have different games. When the offense is stalling Vick has the ability to use his legs and move the chains, i think that’s one of the things that I like about him, aside from his leadership, relationship w/ the players, cannon of an arm, etc. I was completely over Vick at the end of last season, you’ve gotta commend the amount of work he put in to fix those mistakes from last year and really thrive in the offense.

            All of that said — everything happens for a reason. If not starting the first 5 games gave Nick the chance to work on his arm strength, become more comfortable in the offense, etc. — perfect, that’s why you develop QBs — i’d hate to see what’d happen to him in the media if he’d started and not played well.

            I don’t care who wins the competition, as long as they win games. I don’t want to have to take a QB with our first pick when we have SOOO many other needs. The system doesn’t required Tom Brady for us to be successful, i’d hate to be a team that’s gotta keep wasting picks on trash QBs.

          • HowboutdemIggles

            Well yeah, it’s not like Vick can’t check down, I just think Foles does a better job of it.

        • Joe from Easton

          Nobody is drinking any Koolaid. The man simply must have watched some film. QB’s in the NFL have to look of safety’s to have success, especially on short fields. Contrary to whatever you think, that’s not the “simplest thing ever” to do. It’s actually something that you show the good QB’s doing when you want to teach a youngster how the game is played. Vick never does it and Foles did it twice on Sunday for two TD’s.

          • anon

            Even Kelly admitted they had new play calls on those redzone TDs. Let’s not forget Kelly is tweaking the offense week to week to make it better. But i give Foles all the credit for making the throws.

  • Chris

    Foles looked great against a good defense but I don’t think anyone can say right now that as a team, Tampa is any good. I think he will get the start this week. After Dallas, no one will be able to argue that Foles “beat a bad team” if he dominates the Cowboys. If he’s lights out, he’s the guy. If not, Vick will have had two weeks and will play against the giants. They may play it off as Vick is still injured (maybe he is?), and roll with Foles this Sunday.

    Either way, I’ve been of the mind that we have two QB’s that have played well this year, and am at least happy that this is the sort of problem we’re having. I really like Foles’ potential, but no matter what, I’m happy with two W’s in a row (hoping for 3 and 3-0 against NFCE!). That’s all that really matters in the standings at the end of the day.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Very well said, we as fans gotta be happy with this situation. 2 months from now? who knows, better to take what we have right now and be happy with it. Things look great, no Demarcus this weekend is great as well

      • Chris

        That’s great news for our O, for sure. I just can’t agree with the “lose now draft high” mentality when we are tied for first, potentially alone in first after this Sunday, and have a relatively weak schedule. I know we may not have the best chance in the world if we even get to the playoffs, but who can honestly say that they DON’T want to see meaningful games in December?

        • cliff henny

          dont think many, even those like me wanting a qb in ’14, want to lose. it’s just hard to believe this team has huge upside with that defense. just excepting this team’s fate, while putting positive spin on loses. SD is good example, dont think that’ll be only game like that…just better not be this week. god i hate dallas!

          • Chris

            yea i was ready for a few games just like that, but man was it disappointing when it actually happened haha

          • cliff henny

            been happening for 2 1/2 yrs. really miss JJ. i’m just taking positives, and this offense is killing it with less than ideal pieces. wait till kelly figures it out and gets his guys.

        • anon

          To my eye D has improved every week — we have 10 games left for them to keep improving and getting in synch. I haven’t written fire Davis in 2 weeks — maybe that will coincide with our win streak.

          • Chris

            my only worry is that the improvement was against bad teams, but then again I am a generally optimistic person so i’m on board.

          • EaglePete

            and lets not forget, Dallas and Skins are also dealing with very bad defenses. Then theres the entire Giants team. So not all that bad in that context. Gotta find a way to pressure Romo though.

          • cliff henny

            win or lose…i’ll bet you are slightly annoyed at davis by 5pm sunday

        • BlindChow

          One possibility is the team really pulls it together by the time the playoffs roll around and may actually have a shot at competing.

    • Justin

      Let’s be fair though, knock Tampa’s offense all you want, but it’s not like our defense is much better than their offense.

    • Chali

      A Dallas team without a run game and their best, and maybe the best in the nfl, pass rusher. Still not sure how to evaluate that. It is said that Dallas has a no name squad up front outside of Hatcher who just made a name for himself in Ware’s absence. Is it still safe to evaluate Foles under those conditions against an ailing Dallas team? Dallas will have to be one-dimensional on offense as well to allow Foles to keep it close. To argue this would be to argue against Vegas as they have made the Eagles the favorite given the circumstances, so does this change the evaluation of Foles still not playing a competent opponent?

      • Chris

        I’d have to say yes.. it’s a divisional game with relatively high stakes, which shows how Foles responds to pressure. Even though their D isn’t nearly 100%, they have two good corners that he will be throwing at, and even though offenses don’t go against each other per se, Foles will be required to answer to Romo and the Dallas O after they do some damage to our D. If Romo does what he’s been doing the last few weeks, it’s possible that we’re playing catch up or doing some back and forth scoring, which I believe will be a great test. Enough for me to feel confident with Foles moving forward, provided he plays well.

        • Andy124

          Agree with the test of back and forth scoring. I think Chip will stick with the run game in that situation which will hopefully help out greatly.

          • hillbillybirdsfan

            The nice thing about always running the hurry-up is that the run plays don’t take much time off of the clock since they line right back up. That way you don’t need to abandon the run game if you’re down 10 in the 4th.

        • Chali

          Well yes but I think Romo is under more pressure not having a run game. . . They have to start their unproven rookie. Should be easier for the defense and offense this week. If Foles has a lot of time in the pocket to make decisions that would have to be attributed to the absence of Ware. Ware is a game changer and we see how the Giants are handling not having a run game. I’d still be iffy evaluating Foles but we’ll see I guess. I doubt we’d win against Dallas but given the injuries I think we can win this and it doesn’t attribute to QB play with either Vick or Foles it is more so because of the injuries.

      • Chris

        Also, according to Vegas we are only favored by 2.5, which is the 3 points for homefield advantage — on a neutral field Dallas is actually favored by .5 so i’m not putting much stock into the vegas odds.

        • anon

          No. It’s actually -5.5 but we lose the 3 points b/c we’re terrible at home.

          • Chris

            You know what, I can actually believe this haha

      • NJDIII

        Can only play against who is out there. I personally see how the qb makes reads especially under the blitz. Used to be Vicks Achilles heel, Foles made a couple dangerous throws when he shoulda taken a sack. Other then that and according to the all 22 tape he made sound decisions, with the weapons we have I think decision making is the most important trait. Continue to evaluate him on that first and foremost, if he continues to make the right reads, he will continue to be the qb.

  • BirdGang

    Question for my fellow Eagle fans. IF Foles win the starting QB job…can we finially get past this hole Vick V Foles thing. I will be so glad when I turn on ESPN or read articles online where people arent talking about why Foles should start or why Vick is better. We should be happy to have 2 good QB’s. I think that if our fans supported everyone on the team…we could have one of the best fan bases in the league. But I dont know if it is me or if others feel this way…but I feel like this entire QB discussion is forming a split for the fan base.

    • EaglePete

      nah, in the big picture prob doesnt matter much if this is a .500 team or so and misses playoffs. We are all fans of the team first, comment boards are always over the top regardless.

      • BirdGang

        That is a good point…sometimes I forget how crazy people get on these boards. Man, at this point I dont care anymore who the QB is. I just want to win and for people to stop comparing Foles to Vick.

      • Explorer51

        Actually, all things considered, the board posters on 24/7 are pretty damn good, I think Sheil and Tim really set the tone. Even when there are disagreements…and there are plenty of those…they usually (not always) stay relatively respectful and try to make their case with stats, logic, etc. If this were a bar, there would be loud shouting but punches would be rare…and not tolerated for long. On the other hand, Philly.com boards often degenerate into name calling and personal vitriol. Really appreciate 24/7 and Iggles Blitz!

        • EaglePete

          agree 100% and said the same thing in another post just the other day. Great site and the msg boards are far better than anywhere else its not even close. I also referenced that other site as well haha. I meant over the top in terms of Vick vs Foles etc. Even here it gets a bit off the rails but thats to be expected is all.

    • Broadcasting Wisdom

      Depends, if Foles beats the Cowboys and then we beat the Raiders and Giants to go to 6-3? I think the fan base will be mighty unified – would just have to go 4-3 down the stretch to get to 10 wins (with games against Minn, Ari, Wash all screaming “W”, so just have to go 1-3 against GB, Det, Dal, Chi)

      • damrvrhunter

        From your lips to God’s ears!

      • anon

        Dal, Chi are winnable. GB / Det will be the best test of how good of a team we are. I went to the Det game in philly last year — i REALLY want to beat them this year.

    • HowboutdemIggles

      Let the coaches worry about “Winning the Day”. I do support everyone on the team, but in an article that talks about who’s starting, I will stick to that topic.

    • Andy124

      Question for my fellow Eagle fans. IF Foles win the starting QB job…can we finially get past this hole Vick V Foles thing.

      No. Because at some point he’ll have a bad game. All QBs do. As soon as that happens, some will call for Vick. I believe the reverse to be true as well. I think that’s already been shown.

      but I feel like this entire QB discussion is forming a split for the fan base.
      I feel like the fan base has been split since the day Vick was named the starter.

      • anon

        McNabb or Kolb?

        • Andy124

          I wasn’t around these boards then. Couldn’t have been this bad could it?

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Why then?

      Vick won the QB job and it didn’t “unite” anyone. It’s like until my guy wins we can’t be united.

      lol

      • Brian

        Everything was fine after the first two games. Then We started seeing Mike try to do too much. 46% completions in last three starts, followed by Foles’ solid relief work, is what sparked this debate again.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          No.

          Folk were just waiting for a reason to debate.

          His play had nothing to do with it. Like you conveniently quote his completion percentage while leaving out his yardage on the ground…we weren’t 2nd in offense, 8th in scoring and 5th in 3rd down conversions b/c of Foles.

          KC was a bad game all around. Denver wasn’t. We weren’t in danger of losing the Giants game. It’s just a lot of whining and crying ’cause their “guy” didn’t win.

          With the above numbers no other fanbase would even be considering a switch at QB. They’d just be happy to have a quality backup waiting in the wings.

          • OregonDucker

            Now, I should preface my comments with the fact that martinis are a sin against God. I am a sinner.

            Believe me, I was a 100% behind Vick after preseason and the Skins game. But he is a laser passer and when a receiver is open he drills them. This is great until the coverage is tight – then we blame the WR for being slow or stone hands or whatever.

            Foles has a dimension that we are not seeing with Vick. He knows the receiver route, he checks-down effectively, he releases quickly, AND he anticipates the receiver position – see Coop’s TD for an example. This fits the Chip scheme. I know because I have seen it for YEARS.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “Foles has a dimension that we are not seeing with Vick. He knows the receiver route, he checks-down effectively, he releases quickly, AND he anticipates the receiver position”

            Foles has never shown he has done any of that consistently. Hell even Kelly said they needed to get the ball out quicker doing the Tampa game. Maybe he does. Maybe he doesn’t, but there’s a lot of attributing things to him that he has yet to show with any consistency.

            “This is great until the coverage is tight – then we blame the WR for being slow or stone hands or whatever.”

            In tight windows you need a laser. You float a ball out there and someone else in a diff jersery can make a play on the ball. Very few not named Peyton Manning can pull that off regularly.

            Lasers in tight windows only one person is getting that. These are NFL players…if you can’t catch lasers you don’t need to be here.

          • Brian

            If you know the routes, you don’t need to throw to the tightly covered receiver as often as Vick does. Foles sees the open space and knows which receiver is cutting into it. Plain and simple. As far as Vick goes, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

          • Brian

            By the way, Luck, Tannehill, Kaepernick, RG the 3rd, and Wilson won’t evolve into “great” quarterbacks until they learn to consistently read defenses, maintain a decent completion percentage, and avoid turnovers. Not one of them is consistent in all three categories. Michael Vick is lacking in two categories, reading defenses and maintaining a decent completion percentage. If Nick Foles fails in one of these categories this season, I’m all for drafting a quarterback in 2014 that, potentially, has those tools and is considered a mobile quarterback. Because that would be what is best for the Philadelphia Eagles. Personally, I believe that Nick Foles has that potential.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “By the way, I’m not against a “mobile” quarterback. Kaepernick, RG the
            3rd, and Wilson won’t evolve into “great” quarterbacks until they learn
            to read defenses, maintain a decent completion percentage, and avoid
            turnovers.”

            Yeah. lost all credibility there.

          • Brian

            Look at their stats this year. Turnover city. By the way again, I edited my statement to add some validity.

          • OregonDucker

            “In tight windows you need a laser. You float a ball out there and someone else in a diff jersery can make a play on the ball. Very few not named Peyton Manning can pull that off regularly.”

            NO you don’t. Just look at the Brady winning TD against the Saints. The receiver was covered effectively. A high, back shoulder throw could NOT be intercepted but the receiver had a CHANCE. He caught the ball and won the game.

            The Coop pass could only be caught by Coop. That is a hint that maybe, just maybe Foles is throwing more effectively. I admit the verdict is out still but he is definitely showing promise.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            That’s has nothing to do with a laser or not a laser. You are acting like Vick doesn’t throw that Cooper type ball. That’s the part that’s funny. Once again folk are endowing Foles with all these qualities he’s not showing or has not shown with any regularity.

          • Brian

            Regularity? He hasn’t played but seven games in the NFL. What has Vick done, with regularity, that has you convinced that he’s so good?

          • Brian

            No fanbase would be content with a quarterback completing 46% of his passes, no matter how good of a runner he is. Michael Vick has proven time and again that he doesn’t play within the confines of a system. This is a condensed version of 2010, when he started the season playing within the system, and became an improviser when he started having trouble reading the defense. Oregon Ducker is 100% correct, Vick doesn’t see the routes that are leading to open spaces, so he looks for the obviously open receiver while moving around in the backfield. Why do you think the O’line looks better with Foles? The defender isn’t chasing the quarterback constantly, because the quarterback is where he belongs. In the pocket!

  • Will

    We the Eagles fans are blessed with 2 pretty good QB’s. Regardless to whoever starts I just want a win over Dallas. I think you go with the hot hand in Foles, if Vick is not a 100%. If Mike Vick starts I hope he can get it done. Mike seems to take a little longer to decide to throw or run. Nick Foles has been sharp and putting points on the board. I was impressed with the noticeable improvement on Nick Foles deep passes. Foles could really help his cause to be the Starter if he is lights out and pulls off a win in the Linc thus ending the losing streak at home. The Dallas D is banged up but a Divisional win would be huge. Eagles 4-3 a top of the NFC East Go Birds!

    • Chali

      Well said Will.

  • bushisamoron

    Think back to preseason. We knew at some point Vick would be injured (?body part?severity). We knew he was on a one year restructured deal and we (probably) knew Chip Kelly was not going to hang his hat on Vick for the long term. The ONLY question was how is Foles going to perform when he gets his chance. Limited body of work but looks good especially for a second year back up. The issue going forward is whether Foles is the long term answer for Shumer and Kelly or not. Vick is a one year rental.

    • damrvrhunter

      Granted I am no talent evaluator but am just not sure that Foles has a high ceiling long term. He is just not dynamic enough and is saddled with a so so arm to boot. I did not see the Tampa game but I remember him having really happy feet when the pocket collapsed last year.

      • Adam

        You should probably actually watch the game before you weigh in on this debate. It’s sort of important.

        • nicksaenz1

          Beat me to it.

  • Shark

    Think about this logically:

    Vick, a solid and very capable starter, is not what he once was. We will not see 2010 Vick ever again. He is 30+, very unreliable because of injury. He is more of an athlete than a QB. And mistake prone. There is a good chance he will not be back with the team by next season.

    Foles, also a capable starter, and a much smaller sample size. Has looked great in 2 games against terrible teams (although Bucs Defense is good), much younger and has potential. He may not have the running ability of Vick but makes up for it with his smarts.

    Final thoughts, I really cannot see any reason why Vick should become the starter again. Neither QB will bring this team to a superbowl this year, so why shouldn’t Foles show us over a larger sample size, what he’s got. Maybe he’s good, maybe he isn’t. But when thinking about the future of the Eagles organization, Vick should not be considered

    • aub32

      Foles holds his own destiny in his hands. If he wins and plays well, then he starts. If he struggles, then you have go back to Vick.

      • Brian

        He holds the “franchise’s” destiny in his hands. If he is as good as what some of us think he is, we have a franchise quarterback and the draft focuses on defense in 2014. If he isn’t…

        • BlindChow

          I still think that, either way, the 2014 draft for us will be all TE’s.

          • ICDogg

            And we will use “05″ personnel

          • cliff henny

            ’07′…line peters and johnson out in stacks.

          • BlindChow

            “011″: Johnson plays QB, Celek snaps, plus 9 other TE’s mingling around behind the line of scrimage. And they said Chip Kelly was an innovator!

        • aub32

          I don’t think he can show he’s the franchise QB in one game. Let’s start with beating a team that has won a game, then go from there.

          • Brian

            I’m not talking about one game.

          • BlindChow

            The good news is Dallas’ defense is ranked just above ours. The bad news is there’d have to be 33 teams for them to be ranked worse.

        • cliff henny

          i have to watch a game with those ‘some’ you speak of. i see a nice capable back-up.

    • Aunt Esther

      The coaches and the players aren’t thinking about the future! They’re concerned with winning the next game on Sunday! They know they have a competent QB in Foles and they know MUCH MORE ACCURATELY THAN YOU what they have in Vick. It’s a fact that they will make the decision based on who will give them the best chance to win the next week’s game. This team should win on Sunday with Foles. But just wait until he inevitably struggles (and if he does, it WON’T all be his fault). People will be saying “well, they had to go with him and they had to stick with him because he may be a part of the future and Vick is not…” But what will the players be saying? Football is an impossible game to play if you’re not motivated to win. And when they suspect that an organization isn’t interested in winning next week’s game, they just can’t go as hard.

  • UKEagle99

    Well they have both played well and exceeded my expectations based on last year. It’s a good problem to have, I’d much rather this than Kolb or Kafka ;-)

  • anon

    Jets signed Greg Salas off of our practice squad :(. Hope he makes some awesome one handed catches.

    • BlindChow

      They probably REALLY wanted BJ Cunningham, but we beat them to the punch!

  • knighn

    I like the “no hypotheticals” approach from Chip Kelly & Co. They don’t know when Mike Vick is going to be healthy again (could take another 3 weeks for him to be truly 100%) and they don’t know how Nick Foles is going to play in the interim. Heck, what happens if they name Foles the starter, he gets hurt, and then they have to go back to Vick? It is not smart to make any changes now. Let it play out and then make a decision when Vick is finally healthy.

  • Andy124

    The biggest pitfalls I foresee for Foles against Dallas:

    1) He’s young. Young guys’ performance usually has a higher varience than an experienced player.
    2) Dallas is likely to score early and often. Trying to keep up has often led quarterbacks to try to do to much and struggle.

    If he can avoid those two things, and the line doesn’t play like absolute garbage, which is how they would have to play to give up a lot of pressure to all those backups, the offense should click. If it clicks enough to keep up, I have no idea.

    • Justin

      Here’s what worries me: I’m expecting a shootout this Sunday, and I’m not certain Vick would perform well in that situation. For whatever reason (and I don’t know what that reason is), I trust Foles more in a shootout.

      • BlindChow

        I think that’s because Vick presses for the big plays, which will often cause us to end up at 3rd and long. Foles is more likely to keep the chains moving.

    • anon

      I think Dallas will be one dimensional on offense. Hopefully that just means they just rotate Curry and Thorton and make romo’s life horrible — though what’d id really like to see is us covering and forcing them to run. We have played some good WRs this year and haven’t gotten crushed on any big plays. I know they like moving Dez around (like we do with DeSean) hopefully we don’t get crushed in the slot b/c we’re playing zone. I’m a little worried that they would put Boykin on Dez, i don’t think that will end well despite how good Boykin is. It’s too bad we don’t have a shut down corner — though i’m becoming a bigger fan of Fletcher’s ability to play the ball — the safeties are going to have to do a great job of getting help..

      Witten will be a problem. That said both the Jets and the Patriots have done a good job neutralizing dominant TEs this week (Gonzalez and Graham). Double block Dez in the redzone to eliminate the back should throws and make them run the ball — which Dallas doesn’t do well (especially with Murray out), Fletcher needs to harness his Aqib Talib.

      On offense they cant stop us — they don’t have the DBs and even good run Ds can’t stop Shady.

      I’m fine with Foles starting — though clearly this week teams will be game planning for him. I think if the line plays well he’ll be fine.

      • Justin

        I agree with you on Fletcher. He’s given up some plays here and there, but he’s also made some good ones of his own. He was sorta the forgotten man this offseason because of all the focus put on Williams.

  • Bullwinkle

    It seems as though expectations nowadays are that a young QB should immediately play like a 3 year vet. Foles has only started about 8 games. He is still learning and improving. He will make mistakes. He will have some down games. I hope he gets a full opportunity to prove he can be a starter. So far this year, although the sample size is very small, he has played as well as the most highly rated young QBs.

  • Max Lightfoot

    It’s just good psychology by Chip – it gives Foles some hope that he can win the job if he shoots out the lights, plus it makes Nick attractive trade bait even if Vick comes back (which I hope he does).I think Vick’s been around long enough to realize this. Neither Foles or Vick seems to be a top five QB for the long run, but we’ll def need them both this season. I’m curious to see how Barkley develops, if at all, and if Chip thinks he could be the QB of the future. Go Eags!