Nick Foles Against the Legend Of Michael Vick

The scene in the locker room following the Miracle at the New Meadowlands was about as memorable as the game itself. The players were absolutely euphoric. They had just erased a 21-point fourth quarter deficit on the road against their top rival, then plunged a stake through the Giants’ hearts with one of the top plays in franchise history — a 65-yard punt return for a touchdown by DeSean Jackson with no time left on the clock.

But it wasn’t Jackson’s name that was echoing off the walls in the bowels of MetLife Stadium. It was Michael Vick‘s.

With the party already in full swing, Vick — who magically whipped up three scores (two passing, one rushing) in a span of about six minutes to set up the dramatic finish — made his way into the locker room. “Mike Vick!” one player called out. Then another. “Mike Vick!” Then another. “Mike Vick!” They were calls like you would hear from a fan to an idol.

“I joke with Mike all the time about in high school, my whole team had his cleats when he was playing in the NFL,” LeSean McCoy said back in 2010 following a comeback win over the Texans. “Now I’m in the same huddle with him, locker room with him, joking with him, texting him, calling him. I’m a fan of his. I just can’t show him too much. But it’s different. It’s the same for me, for Maclin, for DeSean. Us young guys, to be playing with him, we’re excited. We look up to him.”

This helps us put the current quarterback competition in its proper context. It shows us the challenge that may lie in front of Nick Foles.

Given Vick’s stature, it should come as little surprise that Jackson would predict that Vick would win the job, or grab his back when the QB said he’d like a starter named before camp. He’s like a big brother, only instead of playing against him in Madden growing up, you played as him.

How does Foles compete against that?

“I think  what Nick has to do is be himself,” answered quarterbacks coach Bill Lazor Thursday. “His teammates will respect him when they know who he is and that he is genuine. What I see on the practice field is that when we’re out there and he’s running the offense, when I watch him get other guys lined up or tell them what to do, I see them react because they trust that he knows what they’re supposed to do.”

Chip Kelly is looking for accuracy and decision making out of his quarterback above all else, but there are obviously intangibles that are a big part of the position as well. A QB needs the team to respond to him and follow him. Lazor feels like Foles has managed to capture the respect and attention of his peers, even with the presence of someone like Vick on the roster.

“That’s all he has to do: be himself, be assertive when he needs to be assertive. If you walk out onto the field and your teammates know that you are the most prepared person that day for practice, then you’ve got their respect.

“I’m not in the showers with them, but everything I’ve seen on the field, he’s gotten the respect he needs from his teammates.”

Kelly said that every quarterback competition he held at Oregon produced a clear winner. If Foles outshines Vick this preseason, he should have no problem getting the team to rally behind him. If it’s close, you wonder if the legend of Vick comes into play.

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  • ReggieKush

    Mike Vick!

  • Roasty

    Training camp hasn’t even hit full swing and we are getting 4 new articles before noon. Gotta love this site

  • Justin

    I don’t care who wins the QB job, as long as this team plays with heart again.

  • Scott J610

    It’s time for the legend to ride off into the sunset.

  • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

    Chip will pick the best man now. He doesn’t care what happened last year, or how what the guys previous record was, or how long he’s started. He’ll pick the guy that has the best accuracy, doesn’t turn the ball over, and gets the ball out quickly. He’ll pick the guy with the better football IQ and the better decision making skills.

    And that’s simply not Mike Vick.

    • ReggieKush

      Mike Vick will be back ballin’ this year.

  • Andy124

    Can we change the title of the article to:

    “Eagles fans Against the Legend of Michael Vick”?

  • Scott J610

    Mark Sanchez has won more post season games than Vick.

  • GiveMeABreak

    Given the status of our secondary and linebackers (and even some spots on the d-line), I can’t see the outcome of the QB process being all that important. When you look at their relative strengths and weaknesses, they are much of a muchness. We are really fighting Dallas for who has the worst QB in the division (assuming RGIII can play). Meanwhile, we are apparently a lock to have a bad defense.

    • cliff henny

      think about the saints defense when they won SB, it sucked, but had a ton of impact plays. hopefully that’s what we’ll get. have an offense that is threat to put 21 up in 5 mins at any point in game, that’ll force teams into being more agressive than normal. if teams can grind it out with us, hold offense down, we’re screwed.

      • GiveMeABreak

        True, but you need impact players to make impact plays and we just don’t have a lot of them on defense. Also, Gregg W ran a good defense (now we know why although I thought it was apparent during the season) and we have a question mark for our DC. Finally, I am not sure any of our QBs are going to be like Drew Brees. Maybe Chip is the equal of Sean P but only time will tell. We do know that Sean has Mickey Loomis and our front office can’t hold a candle to him. So, no matter how good Chip is, he’ll have a deficit against great coaches with better organizations like Giants, Steelers, Aints, 49ers, Packers, Ravens, etc…

  • cliff henny

    anyone else been watching ESPN coverage of other team’s practices? after watching kelly’s, they look like they’re moving in slow motion. feel like our speed is going to overwhelm teams early on. really makes me want to see what kelly can do with vick. just too many possibilities, i got to see it.

  • Andy124

    Vick vs. Foles always brings out the best in everyone. I love it. And I would just like to let everybody know that those who disagree with me on this topic:

    1) Have the mental capacity of a Raphus cucullatus with
    necrosis of the cerebrum

    2) Have the moral compass of one who enjoys the premature
    termination and prolonged mistreatment of Canis lupus familiaris

    3) Have failed to observe actual Eagles football
    contests.

    4) Have failed to grasp the simple concepts crucial to
    success in said football contests.

    5) Lack the emotional discipline to make objective
    observances and the self-awareness to recognize this flaw.

    6) Will not win the lottery

    7) Lack proper personal hygiene.

    8) Will be challenged and defeated in a contest of
    fisticuffs.

    • GEagle

      Sounds about right…you get an up vote from me

  • xlGmanlx

    Any player worth having on this team wants to win more than they are 7′s fans, non-story.

    • MV7

      …….

    • aub32

      That’s why they want #7 under center because they know it’s their best chance of winning.

  • Josh

    “I’m not in the showers with them, but everything I’ve seen on the field, he’s gotten the respect he needs from his teammates.” I should hope not, you’re the QB coach not the defensive coordinator.

  • Kevin Powell

    In the end, every player cares about getting the win on the field. Off the field they will still look up to Mike and his legend.

  • JBrooks

    Lots of comments without anyone offering up any positive thoughts about each candidate. At the end of the day I would just like to see some wins (ideally more than 4 ><)

    The 2010 Mike Vick could return in this offense that Coach Kelly is putting together and man did I love watching Vick during that span. The past 2 seasons have been hard to watch and Philly needed a change, enter Chip Kelly. Would I love to see Vick play top quality football again, absolutely, but his age and playing style are something to keep in mind. Will he be here next season? 2 seasons from now?

    Foles played great all things considered. Anyone that says he did not have a really tough situation needs to re-evaluate. A rookie playing arguably the toughest position in football with less key players, no defense and the team already had this losing season mentality around them when he started. There seemed to be no one actually playing with anything to prove but him. He had rookie mistakes for sure but, from what Coach Kelly says, a quick-decision accurate quarterback will be great in his offense. Foles fits both of those criteria better than Vick. Can he run, no. Is that a quality the QB has to have in Kelly's system, not according to him.

    I think taking a new offensive scheme with a younger quarterback that could end up being our signal caller for 6+ years sounds like music to my ears. I am a big Vick fan but I think Foles can be the guy. I am just happy football is back and can't wait to watch our new look Eagles!

    GO BIRDS!

  • morgan c

    Vick sucks.

  • Token

    its 2013 now. Eagles fans love living in the past. Even tho theres no reason to. At the end year it ended with a awful Vick mistake.

  • http://theadulttoysstore.com/ The Toy Goddess

    Or 2 missed field goals by Akers.

  • http://theadulttoysstore.com/ The Toy Goddess

    Well I think he’ll stop trying to do to much when he isn’t running for his life every down. Last years o-line was HORRIBLE. There was no winning there. For anyone.

    Traditionally Vick’s decision making can be problematic…but he also can dig himself out of those holes as well. High risk. high reward. (Think Farve)

    With that said I think Kelly’s offenses minimizes the need to “doing too much” IF Vick buys in (completely) the job is likely his.

  • Scott J610

    Were you watching the Eagles the last two years?

  • GEagle

    Silly!! I bLEED GREEN!!! My excitement for the Chip Kelly era will NOT be ruined by one more year of Vick..Not to mention, I really don’t care much about oFfense anyway…Defense is what gets my juices flowing!

  • GEagle

    manning and Brady’s legend is FAMOUS, Vicks is Infamous!

  • MV7

    I think getting hit alot affects decision making. That’s what all DCs aim to do. Hit the QB and make him make bad throws and #7 is no different

  • GEagle

    NO..Traitionally, the Oline never mattered because Defenders couldn’t even get their hands on Vick…he could run away from them all. take a look at Vicks rushing stats these past two years…He can’t even do that any more…

    Vick played with a better line than Foles did last year, yet Foles rushing stats are the same as Vicks…I really don’t think people realize how long ago 2010 was especially for an athlete over the age of 30, who since then has probably taken 300 hits!!

  • Nicholas Disilvestro

    He isn’t Brett Favre. Stop already.

  • MV7

    zzzzzzzz

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Huh?

    - Uh…defense lost the Detroit game and the Pitt game.

    - And last years online was ABYSMAL – so that fact we were doing anything is a testament to Vick’s abilities not against them

    2010 was an anomaly – the ENTIRE team changed in 2011 – instead of filling holes and keeping it simple – they changed the o-line scheme, the defensive scheme, had 3 corners that didn’t work together, and a pissed off star receiver…

    AND the Eagles were STILL one game from the playoffs. 2011 was piss poor off the field decisions affecting on the field play. But for the M. Vick haters it’s convenient to play him when there were 50-11 problems that ZERO to do with M. Vick.

  • MV7

    Well that’s what makes me nervous, not the QB “situation”

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Sh**y O-line play plays into that as well.

    On a side note: someone is following me around down voting anything I say. I find in pretty funny.

  • harrynapes

    Dude you are trolling like no other. You post a down to earth comment above stating that “at the end of the day, I’ll support who’s ever starting as long as long they are successful”, and then you post some nonsense here. No one takes you seriously and this is why.

    And I actually agree with your above statement. Whether Foles or Vick or Barkley, I just want them to be successful.

    Stop being a clown and grow up.

  • Token

    of course he did.

  • http://theadulttoysstore.com/ The Toy Goddess

    “.However, the Legend of Mike Vick was not strong enough from keeping
    starters from wanting him benched at a certain point last year.”

    And then they promptly went 1-5

    The grass is always greener.

    ‘TIll it’s not.

  • Brian

    If you give Foles the starting job, and keep Vick on the roster, and the team isn’t putting up 30 points a game, the LEGEND dynamic can become a PROBLEM!!!

    Only if we’re giving up 31. Just win baby. Numbers don’t mean Sht if we’re winning.

  • Token

    But but the Oline was really bad and Foles didnt have DeSean and and and the playcalling was bad and and it wasnt ideal weather conditions in those games.

  • Scott J610

    Maybe, but he won’t be leading us to the Super Bowl.

  • Scott J610

    No, you won’t win the lottery. You will wake up in a pool of vomit like you do every morning.

  • Andy124

    C’mon man.

  • Scott J610

    You’re welcome.

  • Scott J610

    What are you, 13 years old? Is there an age limit on this site?

  • cliff henny

    rest of country just wants to be entertained, i want eagles to win too. big difference.

  • cliff henny

    think switching defenses should really help. able to deguise more now. see more free runs at qbs cause fumbles or easy ints. defense just got way to predictable, see like a theme with reid, last yr

  • PhEaglesPhan

    You could not have said it better, this kat is like a yo-yo, he don;t know what the f@*k he want!

  • cliff henny

    great that rg3 isnt playing any PS games, he’s going to be rusty that first game. davis is going to create some blitze packages that’ll make labeau proud. think we might be able to steal that game

  • aub32

    I wouldn’t speak poorly of LF if I were you.

  • cliff henny

    i went out on limp month ago and said 3-0…than it gets a lot harder. but von miller did us a nice favor too.

  • GEagle

    I certainly won’t rule 3-0 out…the problem, is 0-3 is also very possible…lol trying to handicap these season just gives me a headache. So tough

  • cliff henny

    rg3 is going to be bad. we’ve seen it with vick. i dont care how much practice he gets. he’s not even going to be in 11-11 drills. hope we come from everywhere on him. and vick will be on a mission. be diving headfirst all over the f’n place (kidding, saw you discussing that earlier…drive me crazy!).

  • aub32

    Gushing? Was DeSean gushing when Foles threw that ball well behind him for a pick 6? Was Maclin gushing when Foles short armed a game winning TD? You can’t accuse someone of amnesia because they don’t remeber what you made up in your own mind.

  • MV7

    Vick with his back against the wall. What I’ve been saying for months now. Great post man

  • GEagle

    Dont poke the bear Cliff lol, last year we saw the importance of offseason and preseason play, when Vick sat out and played like a fool in cleveland..hopefully history repeats itself…RG3 DEF ain’t playing 16 games

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    lol

  • MV7

    You have anything else in your excuse bag?

  • knighn

    Fascinating. Why did Vick go 1-5 in in his last 6 complete games?

  • MV7

    Couldn’t have said it better

  • GEagle

    Short armed the game winning touchdown? You DOPE, he broke his playing hand 3 plays earlier and wast still attempting 40 yard throws

  • aub32

    But Foles has lost thus far in the NFL too? What are you saying?

  • Mr. Wu

    And?

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Um…didn’t the defense allow a 3rd down completion in the 4th – something like a 3rd and forever…

    The play you’re speaking of happened what in the first/second quarter or something…not the 4th…Vick had more than made up for that as the game continued.

    While Pitt isn’t solely on the D (Detroit is though) it’s mostly on them – they (as usual) broke down in the fourth allowing impossible completions when they should be stuffing cats and ending games.

  • GEagle

    Oh it’s way worse then that…Vick closed his eyes when he saw the defender close in, and fumbled the ball away before he even got hit!!!

  • MAC

    49ers

  • Nicholas Disilvestro

    What’s mike won in his career? He got to the NFC Championship game and got handled by Jim Johnson. We made it to playoffs in 2010 and lost. He’s only really had two good years where he put up pro bowl level numbers (2010 and 2006)
    I’m not sure what the fascination is with him. Yes, hes a great athlete…but being a great athlete doesn’t equal being a great qb. Not sure why some people can’t understand that.

  • Andy124

    What do you mean, “You people”?

  • MV7

    What’s his record as a starter?

  • GEagle

    this discussion has no need for you to come tarnish it with your Silly Facts and meaningless Reality!! Lol Joke

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    I agree. Like Flacco – but with a great TEAM around him he can be successful – out defense however will not likely be good enough to make that happen.

  • Nicholas Disilvestro

    So if he doesnt fumble on the two yard line and we get a field goal, we win 17-16. You cant blame him fumbling on the defense. Maybe try the offensive line or andy reid.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    You do realize he’s running in a kevlar vest right…

  • MV7

    LOL

  • MV7

    Worship? What worship? This entire thread is pro FOles except for a few of us that actually watched the games and know that Vick is better

  • GEagle

    ESPN and Madden video games have fooled people IMO thinking that Exciting equals GOOD!

  • GEagle

    ” I ain’t here make NO FRIENDS, Just CUT THE CHECK!!”

    BTW, we probably need to figure out if we are serious about having a fantasy league sometime soon

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Notice…if the defense in the FOURTH did what they should have done we wouldn’t be having this convo.

    Vick is a high reward high risk player – he has blame in that game BUT when its 3rd and 20+ yards late in the fourth – that’s on the D NOT on the QB.

    Th other problem with what you’re saying is that as early as that play happened anything could have happened in the game. Just ’cause they scored there doesn’t mean everything else about that game would have stayed the same.

    What I’m talking about happened at the END of the game. Defense makes that stop we win. The End.

    Not the same thing at all.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Notice the Kevlar remark…

  • MV7

    ????

  • GEagle

    Is London going to help them win a SB? WIL he still be playing when the win one?….Then who cares about London Fletcher! I’m not a fan of nostalgia, and holding onto the past, unless you are WINNINg SBs in the process. If I

  • GEagle

    And it’s ok, to add veterans players to get over the hump if you have a real shot at winning a SB…what did I say no? WHAT’S THE PROBLEM NOW(in my pet Laviolette voice)…Love That Crazy hockey coach!

  • MV7

    You really need to learn to read and comprehend man

  • Andy124

    Token said Vick’s entire career has been awful, minus 3 or 4 games in 2010. I corrected him and said it was more than that. And you’re arguing with me.

  • Andy124

    In case anybody missed it, and I’m not saying you did, my post was satire about how people get personal in these threads.

    FWIW, I’m really more in the ABV camp than the Foles camp.

    And why does Foles have more riding on 8/9 than Vick?

  • cliff henny

    vick played horrible last year, but he’s shown what he can do on an NFL field. we saw 2010, it’s there. i’m sure he shows it in practice, no one can deny he if off the charts great athlete. thought foles showed good head on his shoulders, but his physical skills are not there.

    2 polar opposite qbs, if we could just frankenstein them together, give foles vick’s athleticism, we’d have, marioti or bridgewater.

  • NickS1

    I hope you’re right about that.

  • Andy124

    Focusing on the topic at hand. You said 8/9 is a big day for Foles. I clarified that means it’s a bigger day for Foles than Vick. You concurred. The only thing I see really addressing that is your last sentence, that says a tie goes to Vick because of his track record.

    Vick has a small sample of very high level play. He has a very large sample size of very mediocre-to-bad play. I’d say the two are irrelevant, but if they had to be relevant, then the much larger sample size would far outweigh, in the negative, the much smaller sample size.

  • cliff henny

    you’ve read enough of my posting, i’m not over the top on vick nor a foles hater (i honestly think the final answer is neither). vick is what vick is. besides maybe a read option, think we all know what vick is going to show 8/9. what people are basing their support on foles is some meaningless stats from last year i care absolutely zero about-but i agree he did enough to warrent a shot. foles has to come out 8/9 show that he has nfl arm and release. he had better of improved his footwork and was just as careless w/ ball as vick, too. yes, there is alot more riding on NE PS game for foles than vick, but didnt say vick could kick it around. we have high level nfl tape on vick (kelly didnt bring vick back to play at ’12 level, he wants that ’10 guy-you expect ceilings not floors). foles, not so much. all the ‘he played with this group, that guy was injured’ bs..all that’s out the window. yeah, it’s a big day for vick too, bigger for foles.

  • aub32

    Really hard to follow which post beget which. The basic premise of what I’m arguing is for people to point out he only had so many great games, think of the guys not named Rodgers, Brady or Peyton (in the regular season). There are many really good QBs that perform ok at times. Vick can play just good enough to win, but he can also be special at times. I don’t know if I can say the same about our other QBs.

  • aub32

    Ahh yes it’s a child’s argument that results to name calling when they don’t really get what happened. Foles saw the pass late. T. Lawlor actually did a good breakdown about this and why Foles’ broken hand was no excuse on why the ball fell short.

  • Andy124

    I’m not trying to straw-man you. Just trying to make sure we’re on the same page as to why you think 8/9 is bigger for Nick than Vick. It’s not like we’re going to change each other’s minds lol.

    I totally get that you want to see more of what you saw in 2010, or as close to it as possible.
    You totally get that I don’t think anything close to that will happen.

    I really don’t have any concerns about Nick’s arm strength. What he needs to show is the ability to make the right reads, throw the ball accurately and avoid turnovers. He also needs to continue to show the ability to stay poised under pressure. Vick needs to show the exact same things. Can’t wait to see it play out.

  • cliff henny

    well, you did alittle, cause what i said was ‘lot riding’…didnt compare it to foles vs vick, who has more. but, do think foles has more riding than vick, that’s not saying vick has nothing on the line.
    .
    ’10 vick, that’s his ceiling, question is ‘how close can kelly get him to that’. if nowhere close, ok, see what we have in foles and/or Barkley. i think he can get him in the areacode with better play calling and more vick friendly scheme.

  • Nicholas Disilvestro

    I can understand if people want vick to start and back it up with rational arguments like you just did. I just can’t wrap my head around the people that think he’s an elite qb or that beyond this year he is the answer for our qb situation.

  • GoBirds1

    there Is a reason why cocked signed for $3.5 garunteed it’s because no one else wanted him. He is done,his highlight reel is over.

  • Capt. Undapants

    A lot of things get spewed on this wall, but nothing so inappropriate, hurtful, or disgusting as this comment. After it is removed, I hope you are banned from this site. I also hope you learn some manners and decency.

  • MV7

    Uh oh here comes the klan lol

  • MV7

    I’m surprised it took this long for the racists to come out

  • Maggie

    Yet somehow, the Patriots seem to win quite a few games, although not the big one, lately, without a defense. So do the Packers. It seems that for all the conventional wisdom about having both a strong defense and offense, sometimes it just ain’t so.

  • UKEagle99

    We had heart in spades when Buddy Ryan was our coach and went 0-3 in the playoffs over 5 seasons.

    I don’t care who wins the QB job as long as ‘we’ win games.

  • MV7

    Good

  • UKEagle99

    The legend of Mike Vick is exactly that, ‘legend’.

    The future of Mike Vick is in Mike Vick’s hands, if he wins the starting gig, I’ll cheer for him regardless of the ‘legend’.

    My faith is in Chippah as it stands, in him I trust… until proven otherwise.

  • Guest

    i’ll learn to read right after you see a proctologist to remove your head from vick’s rear end. i’m not the one that compared him to Favre, your bff did.

  • Guest

    your bff compared him to favre…not me. do us a favor and take your own advice.

  • Nicholas Disilvestro

    you’re really ignorant

  • MAC

    Your only allowed one down vote per profile. So looks like many disagree