Dr. Huxtable & Mr. Hyde

Who is Bill Cosby? What’s happened to the man who taught us to laugh at ourselves — and what do we do with him now?

Illustration by PJ Loughran

Illustration by PJ Loughran

“He did a lot of good works behind which he could stash his crimes of excess.” — Tamara Green

Our stories must be told a certain way. That is why Bill Cosby is holed up, on a hot late-April afternoon, in a convention center in Greenwood, Mississippi. There are maybe 300 folks, overwhelmingly black, in a hall that seats several thousand, where Cosby has come to “call out” to the community, to talk direct and tough. To get the folks to believe that if they want the mess of their lives to change, they’ve got to do it themselves, and stop thinking and acting like victims. He is prancing back and forth in sweatpants and a pullover, diving into the sparse audience to ask questions and make demands, but also flirting with that wide elastic face of his — of course, the crowd is easily his.




“Those of you who are living with someone on drugs,” he tells them, “you don’t even hide your stuff anymore, because they know where to look.” Cosby mugs the foolish ignorance — “How did she know to look in the washing machine for the money?” — and gets titters of recognition, but he isn’t fooling around.

After the call-out, Cosby sits in a private room, alone with one woman. He needs her to tell her story for a second call-out, coming up in an hour. Unita Blackwell was born to sharecroppers during the Depression, not far from here. In her 30s, she plunged into the civil rights movement, and went on to become a small-town mayor and something of a local can-do legend; her memoir is coming out. Yet time and age — Unita’s 73 — have clouded the story of her youth. So now Cosby keeps asking questions, beginning with her early childhood:

“Did you work in the fields?”

“I didn’t really until I got older.”

“How old?”

“Oh, I was probably around eight, something like that.”

“ … You said there were two of you.”

“My sister … ”

“Who was your sister?”

It goes on like this, Cosby digging out the nominal facts, building to what he’s really looking for:

“Now, your mother did what?”

“She would work in the fields.”

“And raise the children ... so you were eight years old, working in the fields, and — ”

“That’s nothin’ new,” Unita reminds Bill Cosby.

“That’s not what I’m talking about!” Cosby tells her. “Where I’m going with this, I’m looking at schooling. … Did your mother read to you? Did your mother give you mathematics? Who do you remember giving you something pertaining to education?”

“I had an auntie,” Unita remembers vaguely. “Her name was Rosie. Aunt Rosie. The Bible ... We didn’t have a lot of books. We were very poor.”

She’s on the brink — this is what he’s looking for. Unita doesn’t need his help; she pulled out of poverty and ignorance a long time ago. But that’s exactly the point — for the next call-out, Cosby wants Unita up on stage with some others to tell that story, to tell her story the right way, how she took the little help given her and got somewhere herself.

For the past two years, Bill Cosby, 68 years old, has been trying to fix people’s stories, all over the country. He’s dropped in on cities, mostly — Detroit, Newark, Baltimore, Milwaukee — staging these call-outs. Greenwood is a Delta town of 18,000 beset by poverty, drugs and despair. It’s a place where a big fertile yard is easy to come by, but not the wherewithal, or maybe the ambition, to do better than the shotgun shack falling down in the middle of it. His message is no different here. He’s trying to get America’s underclass to take responsibility, to act. Actually, given the sorry, and declining, state of lower-class blacks, it’s much more than that: Bill Cosby is trying to save them.

That’s why he talks so firm, here in Greenwood, on giving in to a scourge like drugs: “He stole my car — that’s my child. He punched me in the face when I told him no more money. He pushed me down the steps. And you’re going to protect the drug dealer. … You are not making sense. … You got to think, people.”

All told, Cosby will harangue and plead and hope for some six hours today before heading back down an 80-mile yellow tongue of highway that splits deep woods, down to Jackson and his Gulfstream jet. To Cosby, this is a mission, and he is giving the performances of his life (upcoming call-outs: D.C. and Kansas City and L.A.) in a bold attempt to grab the bootstraps of black America and give them a big, everlasting yank.

But there’s something else, along with the plight of poor people, dogging Bill Cosby. His lawyers have gotten it pushed to the back burner, down to a simmer, and maybe it will amount to nothing, yet there is also the possibility that it will bubble up to destroy him. A young Canadian woman he met in Philadelphia through Temple University is accusing him of drugging her and then, when she was in a near-comatose state, molesting her. It went nowhere legally — the woman, Andrea Constand, waited a year before going to police, it boiled down to a he said/she said (Cosby claimed the sex was consensual, according to ABC News), and the police dropped the case for lack of evidence. But Constand filed a civil complaint in federal court in Philly last year, suing for an unspecified amount of money over $150,000. It is still Cosby’s no against her yes, except for one difference: Thirteen women are waiting to be deposed in the suit; in a court filing, Constand’s lawyer says that all of them — with nothing to gain, with no payout waiting, with their own statutes of limitations run out — have stories about Bill Cosby as well, and some of them will claim a similar drug-and-fondling M.O.

These accusations are about as far removed from the character of Heathcliff Huxtable — that’s Bill, right? — as we could imagine. They are equally far removed from Bill Cosby’s mission to drive poor blacks to a righteous, hardworking path. And as Cosby’s lawyers string out the suit, filing motions, keeping it in limbo, with those witnesses largely quiet and nothing substantiated, it remains — even 14 strong — nothing more than allegations, about which Bill Cosby has nothing to say.

But it is not that simple. It’s a crazy game Americans in particular seem to play, the way we need to believe desperately in our heroes — we want Bill Cosby to be as sweet as Cliff, to be as noble as his desire to lift up his people. His career has been predicated on just that: our sense of him. Cosby the master storyteller — at his best, on a level with Twain — has always used himself, our connection to his slow charm and easy-to-lap-up messages. Cosby, playing himself, is his own best character. But if he would turn out to be harboring dark personal secrets. Or worse. …

Bill Cosby won’t talk about that. Or anything, when the subject is him. But he’s doing plenty of talking, and getting to the truth of other people’s stories. That’s why he came to the godforsaken Delta. That’s why, between call-outs, he kept right on working, grilling Unita Blackwell, pushing to the heart: how she pulled herself up from nothing. Because that’s the story all of them must hear. The only story that will inspire them to make their lives better.

Yet given Cosby’s palpable need to come to places like Greenwood, Mississippi, you start to wonder about all this, about what he’s up to. You start to wonder why he’s so driven to spread the word to poor blacks, to tell them what they must do. You start to wonder if there is only one life he’s really trying to save, a little closer to home.

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The Story That Andrea Constand Tells

She met Bill Cosby in late 2002 when she was director of operations for Temple’s women’s basketball. He became a friend and mentor. In January 2004, Cosby invited Constand to his home in Elkins Park. She went there at about 9 p.m. Constand wanted to change careers and told Cosby she felt stressed. Cosby offered her three blue pills — herbal medication, he said, that would help her relax. She took the pills. Soon, Constand’s knees began to shake; she felt dizzy and weak. She told Cosby she did not feel well. Cosby led her to a sofa, then positioned himself behind her, touched her breasts, rubbed his penis against her hand, and digitally penetrated her. Constand was semiconscious throughout. She could not give consent to these acts, and she did not. She lost consciousness, and woke around 4 a.m. She felt raw in and around her vagina. Her clothes and undergarments were in disarray. Bill Cosby greeted her in his bathrobe. Andrea Constand left his house by herself.

THE CALL-OUT THAT got everyone’s attention was at Washington’s Constitution Hall on May 17, 2004, when Bill Cosby received an award for philanthropy at an event commemorating the 50th anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education decision, and made some remarks. He said that the poor were “not holding up their end of the deal.” He said that parents “cry when their son is standing there in an orange [prison jump] suit,” but the reason he’s there in the first place is lousy parenting. “Where were you when he was two? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18, and how come you didn’t know that he had a pistol? And where is his father?”

Tough stuff, but Cosby was just warming up: He assailed black youths for putting their clothes on backwards, girls for “needles and things” going through their bodies. Giving children names like “Shaniqua, Taliqua and Muhammad and all that crap” also rankled him, as did current street lingo. There was more, making the same point: Bill Cosby was fed up and was not going to take it anymore.

Reaction was fierce, and ran the gamut: Cosby, attacking his own people from the safe perch of vast wealth, was cruel and way off the mark; or, he had the cojones to go right up the gut of what desperately needed to be said. Washington, though, wasn’t Cosby’s first call-out. No, like a play debuting in the hinterlands, he had tried out his spiel first, a couple months earlier, in Philadelphia. Then-Inquirer columnist Lucia Herndon broke the story, something that still unnerves her.

Herndon, like a lot of black girls and boys in America, grew up on Bill Cosby. Grew up loving him. She bought every one of his records. His role in I Spy — he was so handsome, so charming and daring — sent her over the edge. When Cosby came to her town, Des Moines, to perform, Lucia and her friends went to every hotel looking for him; when they miraculously found him, sitting in a car, she told Cosby she was writing a piece for the school newspaper about him, and asked if he would sign her yearbook. He did. It was 1968.

In March 2004, Herndon was asked to make a few remarks at the semiannual Year of the Child production at Deliverance Evangelistic Church in North Philadelphia — a Sunday afternoon celebrating extracurricular achievement. Actor Clifton Davis would sing. School superintendent Paul Vallas would speak. So would school reform commission head Jim Nevels. And weatherman Hurricane Schwartz. And Bill Cosby.

Hurricane Schwartz said that Philadelphia is a good place for a hardworking artist to fulfill his dream; Herndon spoke about the art of the written word. Bill Cosby had a different theme.

“We have become afraid of our own children,” he told the budding artists and their parents. “Afraid that the child will not like us or love us. This is not parenting. … Where did we lose it? When did we find it easier to give a kid a video game than to talk to our children?” Cosby also made “a call to all fathers. Men need to step up and be a parent to the children they make.” And he hit the idea of family literacy, remembering that his mother read to him and his brothers at night. “She didn’t give us a damn remote.”

Herndon and Hurricane Schwartz turned to each other, wide-eyed. What was he doing? Why here, at this event, with all these children, some of them as young as five? Cosby didn’t even mention them, the performers or their families, even though a pat on the back was supposed to be the point of the event.

Or so Herndon thought. And she said so in an Inquirer column that ran 10 days later — not disagreeing with Cosby’s points, but declaring that he picked the wrong time and place. Why was he lecturing an audience of parents that did get it?

A few days later, Herndon got a phone call. It was Bill Cosby. He was angry. She had it wrong, he said. Did she misquote him? No. What was wrong? Her viewpoint.

Well, she was a columnist, and entitled to express —

She was wrong about the audience. A big place, almost 3,000 folks, and some of them there did need to hear the message.

Okay, she didn’t poll the audience to see if they were all related to a young performer, but she was sticking to her perspective, that it was the wrong venue to —

What church did she go to? Maybe her problem was that she didn’t understand speaking from the pulpit in a black church.

So he was questioning her … blackness? What did he want her to say?

That she was wrong. In print. There were families there that needed to hear what he was saying.

No, she wasn’t going to do that.

But she was wrong.

It went around and around like that for some 40 minutes. Herndon wouldn’t budge. Cosby wrote a letter to the Inquirer, which was printed. Then Herndon got a letter from his lawyers, threatening the paper with legal action. Because, as she sees it, she disagreed with Bill Cosby. The lawsuit never materialized, but “Mom has fallen out of love with Bill Cosby,” her daughter teased her.

Cosby keeps close tabs on anything written about him. His head PR guy in L.A., quite interested in how this article was going, called me on a Saturday afternoon. It wasn’t just to chitchat. I had interviewed Lana Felton-Ghee, who produced that Year of the Child event, a couple days earlier. She called Cosby. And Cosby, still angry at Herndon two years later, wanted me to know, his PR guy said, that the Inquirer and Daily News have had it in for Cosby, their coverage is completely biased, and that I must read everything they’ve ever written about him in order to grasp that.

Though the fairness of our local newspapers is not really the point. It’s that disagreeing with Bill Cosby means you are wrong; to ward that off, he works very hard trying to get a writer on his side. Cosby dodges interviews like civil suits, but that doesn’t stop him from having his doorman in New York call me and leave messages with the élan of an Italian tenor — “This is FABIO!” — that Mr. Cosby wants to send me faxes: glowing letters of appreciation for this or that, or glowing reviews of his call-outs around the country. All told, four assistants have called, sending me information. Which is not especially unusual, for those who have four assistants. Nor is it unusual for someone to decline to talk to a writer. But the barrage of positive information, coupled with virtual silence from the man himself, is — not to put too fine a point on it — transparently controlling and paranoid.

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The Story That Tamara Green Tells

Back in the ’70s, before Green became a lawyer, Cosby hired her to help him open a club in L.A. A week into the job, she felt sick, and called Cosby at Figero, a restaurant he owned, to say she was leaving for home. He invited her to the restaurant for lunch — it might make her feel better. She went. Cosby asked if she wanted some Contac, then handed her two gray-and-red capsules. She took them. Thirty minutes later, she felt stoned. Cosby offered to drive her home. Inside her apartment, he tried to undress her. She fought him. He kissed her and kept pulling at her clothes. “You’re going to have to kill me,” she screamed. He let her go. Cosby dropped two $100 bills on an end table and left. Green never returned to her job.

BILL COSBY’S LOUDEST critic these days is Michael Eric Dyson, the Penn prof, writer-at-large for this magazine, and author of Is Bill Cosby Right?, which takes on the substance of Cosby’s call-outs. To Dyson, Cosby’s been on a “blame the poor tour” the past two years; certainly, Dyson argues, Cosby is well aware of institutional racism, of trends in the economy that have sucked away high-pay, low-skill jobs, but he’d rather tell America’s ghetto that the reason their lives are a mess is them.

As Dyson tells it, he ran into Cosby one night this spring in New York. He’d just gone to the premiere of Spike Lee’s movie Inside Man, at the Ziegfeld theater; Dyson and his wife were walking to one of the related parties when she spied Ed Lewis, head of Essence magazine, through the plate-glass window of a restaurant. Both Dysons have written for Essence, so they went up to the window and waved to Ed and his wife.

Then it struck Michael that the woman sitting next to Lewis’s wife was Camille Cosby, Bill’s wife, someone Dyson had never met, but of course he recognized “a world-famous woman, with her beauty and her distinguished look.” So he waved to her, too — why not? Right about then, it dawned on Dyson that if Camille Cosby was sitting there …

Bill would be, too. Sure enough, with his back to the window. Now Cosby slowly turned to the Dysons, but only partway, so that he could, maybe, see them out of the corner of his eye. Then he raised his right arm above his head, and his middle finger shot up in salute.

Dyson blew kisses to everyone (though Cosby’s back was turned again) and mouthed, “Thank you!”

The next morning, as Dyson took the train from New York back down to Philly, the porter told him that Bill Cosby was on board as well; oh, this was too good to pass up. Dyson went to him and put out his hand; Cosby shook it. Then Dyson sat down. Cosby sort of apologized by saying the night before had been Camille’s 62nd birthday, and when they told him who it was outside the restaurant … Bad moment. Then they talked. For better than an hour, on the train, then in 30th Street Station, Cosby bore right in on Dyson, an inch from his face, to tell him how wrong he was.

Cosby — or Cosby’s people — had done his homework. He knew that Dyson had been a 14-year-old gang member in Detroit with Coca-Cola-thick glasses, but that somebody had started watching out for him, telling Dyson to get away from the gang — in Cosby parlance, a mentor had “put a body on you.” “And that minister,” Cosby told Dyson, an inch from his nose at 30th Street, “you wanted to be like him. They put a body on you!” So Dyson, Cosby was saying, had gotten help, and responded to the help, and that must be the center of his story. A story of achievement, of overcoming. Forget this liberal victim crap that Dyson is stuck on.

On April 1st, Cosby and Dyson met up again in New Orleans. They both spoke at a march there — along with Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other notables — to rally support for residents who’d been disenfranchised from voting in an upcoming mayoral election because they’d been relocated in the aftermath of Katrina. Except that Cosby had a different message: “I want to talk about before Katrina.” And he went on to point out that before the hurricane, New Orleans had the highest murder rate in the United States, 12- and 13-year-old girls were regularly becoming pregnant, and so forth. Back to the problem being … them. Cosby’s stump speech.

At the march, Cosby told Dyson why he wouldn’t come on his radio show or debate him publicly. “I will not do that,” Cosby informed Dyson, “until you gain clarity.”

Dyson calling Cosby’s message the “blame the poor tour” is anything but confusing. No — Cosby was saying something else: that Dyson is mistelling his own story.

“Sir, I do not have a lack of clarity,” Dyson said. “I have a lack of agreement.”

“Until you gain clarity,” Cosby repeated, “I will not come on your show.”

This was all too much for Dyson, especially Cosby beating up on Katrina victims, co-opting their stories in order to “put his colossal foot on their vulnerable necks. And of all those fellow leaders on that stage in New Orleans, who I knew were disgusted with Cosby’s performance — no one said a damn word to him. That’s nearly as disappointing as Mr. Cosby’s performance itself.”

Why the silence? Because, says Dyson, Cosby’s a powerful guy. You might find the funding for a pet project drying up. Maybe you don’t get on Tavis Smiley’s radio show to promote your book.

Dyson, though, he’s got another book on Cosby coming.

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The Story That Beth Ferrier Tells

Ferrier, 47, met Bill Cosby in 1984 when she was modeling in New York. They started an affair that lasted about six months. Cosby ended it without explanation. Then he called her one night in Denver, where she lived; they met backstage at a nightclub there, where he was performing. He said, “Here’s your favorite coffee, something I made, to relax you.” She drank it and soon began to feel woozy. Several hours later, she woke up in the backseat of her car, alone. She didn’t know what had happened. Her clothes were a mess, her bra undone. Security guards came and said Cosby told them to get her home. She confronted him at his hotel. “You just had too much to drink,” he told her.

TO GET A HANDLE ON Cosby’s rage, when he spoke in Washington two years ago, and on his subsequent call-out tour, you have to understand the racial torch he’s been holding aloft for some 45 years — and how there’s always been somebody ready to tell him he’s dousing the flame. Cosby created crossover appeal long before Michael Jordan got famous for it, when he hit the New York comedy clubs in the early ’60s with an act that sounds much like the Cosby we all know, albeit younger and peppier, riffing on the stuff of life, like weirdos on the subway, kindergarten, driving in San Francisco.

The problem was, his palatable, life-situation humor didn’t wash once race dynamics, and comics like Dick Gregory and Richard Pryor, got hot. Cosby’s position in 1964 on what his brand of humor could do for race relations never really changed: “A white person listens to my act and he laughs and he thinks, ‘Yeah, that’s the way I see it too.’ Okay. He’s white. I’m Negro. And we both see things the same way. That must mean that we are alike. Right?

Cosby would be dogged or feted through every career step: He was cast as the first leading black man in a dramatic series, alongside Robert Culp in I Spy, in 1965, even though he’d never acted; it was a little like asking Jackie Robinson to break baseball’s color line without a minor-league stint. Cosby was terrible in front of the cameras at first, stiff and wooden, though he came around: “At 28, Cosby has accomplished in one year what scores of Negro actors and comedians have tried to do all their lives,” Newsweek gushed. “He has completely refurbished the television image of the Negro.” Cosby went on to win three Emmys in the role. In his next TV series, he played Chet Kincaid, a gentle gym teacher who gets caught up in various real-life snafus. But now he was too soft again, with nothing, even the New York Times complained, on “soul culture.”

That’s how it went — Cosby was either a racial leading light or a borderline Uncle Tom. He mined his past to create the Fat Albert cartoon, and even Dyson gives him credit for gracing America’s Saturday-morning boob-tube time with black vernacular and a moral. Yet even the ballyhooed Cosby Show got him into hot water over race in the mid-’80s. Tuning into the Huxtables is such an easy-going, ubiquitous note of rerun culture that it’s easy to forget how groundbreaking the portrayal of a loving, successful black family was, a landmark for blacks and whites alike; it’s also easy to forget how Cosby got hammered for creating a fantasy of urban black America. As for the Huxtables’ unlikely status, Cosby gave reporters an I’m-not-dealing-with-this-anymore statement: “My wife plays a lawyer, and I’m a doctor. For those of you who have a problem with that … that’s your problem.”

When Cliff, Claire and the kids became a number-one show, it was the clearest nose-thumbing he could give two and a half decades’ worth of Bill, you ain’t black enough: Look at this! Success! Everyone relates! The show, and the best-selling books on fatherhood that sprang from Cosby-as-Cliff mania, were the apotheosis. He appeared to be living the simple values of education, of self-reliance, of family. His five kids all had first names beginning with E — for excellence! He’d gotten a doctorate himself, from U Mass. He stayed married to Camille.

How bitterly ironic it had to be, then, that black lower-class culture — especially from his vantage point — seemed to head further south. In the mid-’90s, Cosby paid an unannounced visit to the Richard Allen Homes in North Philly, the project he’d lived in as a kid back in the ’40s; by this point, it was a drug-infested mess. (It’s since been leveled.) In Cosby walked to a central courtyard, alone, revisiting:

“Hey, Dr. Huxtable! Dr. Huxtable is here!” The homeys swamped him. Ain’t that cool, Dr. Huxtable. …

Cosby confronted a guy who looked like a drug addict: What are you doing, this time of day, hanging around? How old are you? Why don’t you have a job?

The guy was 21. He didn’t have any answers. Infuriating, the waste. Cosby himself was utterly self-made. His father was a drunk who abandoned the family for the Navy. Bill himself quit high school for the Navy, came home to Temple, started trying out his native funniness in local clubs, before New York. Was it easy? The screaming matches with his manager after they had taped all six shows Bill would do in a night and gone over every word, to get it right, to make it seem so smooth and simple, as if he just hopped onto the X on Johnny Carson’s stage one day and boom, he was Bill Cosby — it was nothing but a long climb and constant work and fighting for who the hell he was amid all that noise about who he was supposed to be. Now, right here where he grew up, here they were, giving up, gone.

Cosby told the guy at Richard Allen that there was no excuse, that he really had to get it together. So that was the first call-out.

Maybe the gap between how Cosby lived, what he represented, and what he saw of his culture wasn’t bridgeable. As he got older, and lost his only son, Ennis, to a random roadside shooting in L.A. — Ennis, who had overcome dyslexia and had started working with children himself — it only got wider. Now, though, as Cosby tours the country on his call-outs, he’s got Dyson saying that he’s pandering to white America, giving the audience that made him rich exactly what it wants to hear. The noise never ends.

All these deeper hints of Cosby’s personality raise an obvious question. Is the Dr. Huxtable thing — that persona — just an act? Is Cosby a little like the Ronald Reagan that Phil Hartman portrayed on an infamous Saturday Night Live bit, where the president was a doddering, sweet, avuncular fool of a man in public, but behind closed doors barked orders, laid down the law?

No. Writers, producers and directors Cosby has worked with over the years all cite his genius for telling funny stories and his general professionalism. Not tough to work with; intense, sure — “If he’s Dr. Huxtable,” a producer on one of his shows says, “then I’m Mary Poppins” — but certainly not a jerk. And if you go all the way back to the Richard Allen days, you can find a budding Cliff Huxtable. Anita DeBrest, 86 years old, who raised five boys a few doors from Cosby’s home there, remembers him as a child. He would come over and make her laugh, but he seemed manic, like an overactive cat. She thought his fooling around, his earliest comedy, was a way of relieving something “in his heart or on his mind” — later, she heard his parents didn’t get along.

But if comedy was his way of hiding, it was his ride out, too, on a personal level. Cecelia Robinson, a woman he dated back in the early ’60s, while he was a student at Temple, remembers their first date: Bill took her to his house in Germantown, where he’d moved with his mother and brothers; he had the living room decked out like an Italian bistro, with a checked tablecloth, a candle burning in a wine bottle. Bill disappeared upstairs, then reappeared wearing a chef’s toque and an apron, and proceeded to serve Cecelia. ... It’s a Cliff and Claire Huxtable bit! They dated for a year, and sometimes, when Bill would pick her up out in Paoli, Cecelia would be upstairs checking herself in the mirror one last time and hear her mother in stitches down there — Bill was a riot. He wanted to be, he told Cecelia, a gym teacher — a gym teacher with five kids. His aunt had some land in Trevose, she would give him a plot, he wanted to give her a friendship ring ... Cecelia said no. So Cosby started spending weekends up in New York at comedy clubs, and that was that. Cecelia ended up marrying an eye doctor. Now, after a four-decade break, Bill and Cecelia sometimes have dinner together in Philadelphia, and she passes judgment easily and simply: A decent, sweet, funny guy then. A nice, funny guy now, who, by the way, called 86-year-old Anita DeBrest a couple months ago.

“How you doin’, Mom?” Cosby teased.

“How you doin’, Devil?”

“I’m not a devil anymore.”

One of Anita’s sons — one of the DeBrest boys Bill had been friends with as a kid — had died, and Cosby consoled “Mom” for an hour.

It’s a relief — a relief that the great TV charm of Cosby isn’t somehow an utter ruse. That we weren’t duped, in giving him a pass on a couple things that came up over the years: A woman named Autumn Jackson, claiming to be his daughter, tried to extort $40 million from Cosby in 1997, and he admitted to a “rendezvous” with Jackson’s mother, and payments of more than $100,000 in support over the years. Four years ago, Cosby threw his friend Gladys Rodgers out of his Elkins Park estate after she’d lived there as caretaker for 19 years, because she was practicing witchcraft. Witchcraft?

According to Gladys, it was the Cosbys’ personal “lama” who claimed that Gladys was using blood and sparkle and other stuff to gain control over Bill. Pretty weird. Certainly interesting. But does it matter? Does it have anything to do with the story of … Bill Cosby?

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The Story That Barbara Bowman Tells

Bowman’s incident with Bill Cosby occurred 20 years ago, when she was an aspiring actress. She told a lawyer. The lawyer laughed at her. She never mentioned it to an authority figure again. Bowman won’t disclose details of what happened before she’s deposed. But when she read about Andrea Constand, she decided that enough was enough — she couldn’t sit in silence any longer. [Bowman later gave an extended interview that was published in the November 2006 issue of Philadelphia.]

BUT, OF COURSE, personality can be superficial, itself an act. Personality is, when you’re as charming and funny as Bill Cosby, useful.

Back in Greenwood, Mississippi, on that Monday in late April, Bill Cosby works very hard into the evening, and uses every ounce of the “Bill Cosby” we love. During the second call-out, where half a dozen local folks tell stories of coming back from the excesses of drugs, sex, and violence, Quiana Head, a lovely 27-year-old hairdresser and youth director for a Christian organization, begins by saying she had a daughter when she was 14, that she’s “now 27 years young and did everything under the sun.”

“What was under the sun?” Cosby wonders in mock innocence.

“Everything,” Quiana admits. “I was madly in love with a married man.”

“Look out!”

“ ... 11 years older than me … ”

“WHOOOO … ”

“I spent three days in Clayton County Jail.”

“With him?” Cosby deadpans.

The crowd is roaring.

Then Quiana tells her story, but she isn’t doing it to Cosby’s satisfaction, because, as she tells it, she was a mess, and then she found Jesus. A simple segue. Cosby has to join her, center stage.

“When you found out you were pregnant, how far ahead could you see?” he wants to know. “At 13, what were you ready for?”

“Nothin’.”

“At 13, do you have a job?”

“No.”

“This is a wonderful message that I want to go out to parents who are afraid to talk to their daughters. … But you’re skipping over the good parts. I want you to talk about how frightened your little behind was.” Cosby won’t let her off the hook. No, there’s more to the story, having a baby at 14, and finally Quiana tells the audience:

“I didn’t become this little promiscuous kid just because I woke one day and became that. … I was sexually molested as a little girl for years.”

“Now you’re telling it!”

“I was a very angry kid. My mom was raising five children, working at a catfish farm.”

“No, we didn’t hear about all this.”

Oh, he is working so hard here, getting to the fundamental thing, the real thing, which is that Quiana did this herself. Got well herself. It was within her. And she goes on to say that her life was such a mess that — and Cosby knows there is another hurdle coming — she was suicidal, and cried herself to sleep with a loaded .25 on the bed next to her.

The hurdle isn’t suicide, but Jesus. So now Cosby must massage the meaning of Jesus coming into her life — not for her, but for the greater audience:

“Whatever Jesus was doing,” he says, “Jesus is in you. So as you were crying, something washed, and you looked at everything you were and had been, had been, because that night, it was over, Sis. It was over. You were ready to commit suicide. … The selfishness of yourself, to take your life, leave [your daughter] with your mother, and you cried, and it washed all of the foolishness out of you.”

In other words, she did it. “And then,” Cosby allows, but it is clear this isn’t his driving idea, “the Jesus in you grew.”

Quiana sits down.

It is a beautiful, and dangerous, moment. Cosby pushed her, which was important. Then he told Quiana the meaning of her story. He did not try to take away her idea that Jesus was a big help, though he made it clear: If you’re going to go to Him, you’re not off the hook. And, of course, she’s just the proxy for his message to the crowd, and the public-radio audience in Mississippi listening in, and anybody who will watch the documentary being filmed here and now. Bill Cosby wants the world to know: Personal responsibility is the name of the game.

Which could be the rallying cry of the 13 women, witnesses in Andrea Constand’s civil suit against Cosby, now standing up and telling their stories too, after years of silence. Tamara Green, the California attorney who explained hers on TV, said, “This is about dominance and submission. … These are helpless women that he’s been doing this to.” Women who were afraid to tell their stories. Women who, to Bill Cosby, have no stories at all; he said he didn’t even recognize the name Tamara Green. But now, they’re going deep into their own pasts. They’re no longer skipping over the good parts, because one woman came forward with a story that sounds similar to their own.

Meanwhile, Bill Cosby pushes on, with the will and defiance to ignore what amounts to the minutiae of a personal issue, a legal matter, when you consider what these women are saying against all he has accomplished, all that he is still trying to do, that he must do. When you consider it against being … Bill Cosby. That will and defiance, and the certainty that he’s got to spread his word, will keep echoing around arenas and halls and civic centers all over America. Which is beautiful. What a grand attempt!

Late April in the Delta, close to the end of his final rallying speech, Cosby asks for everyone with a family member who’s been shot to stand up. A few do.

“They have no business having guns! … When are we going to talk to our children? People have guns, and no practice range, so they hit children. …

“Christians, you need to revisit salvation, and what Christ really is, in terms of you. Because Christ is in you. And if Christ is in you, then stop this madness.

“I don’t think God intended you to sit on your behind.”

It is a long, long stretch Bill Cosby is making from stand-up comedy, working, deep into his seventh decade, to hang on to, and shape, his own story. Maybe, in the attempt, he will save himself.

Originally published in the June 2006 issue of Philadelphia magazine.

RELATED: “Cosby Threw Me on the Bed” (November 2006)

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  • nubiainthedesert

    It is sad that this story hasn’t come to light … but the piece above has gotten to be the most poorly written story I’ve read in a long time. I’m surprised that Philadelphia Magazine doesn’ have stronger editors.

  • againstcorporaterule

    This is the best most indepth piece on Cosby I have ever read! Kudos to the author and the Philadelphia Magazine editors.

    • LA

      kudos!!

  • April Martin

    I do not believe this story one bit. Bill Cosby is a hero, a great actor, a role model, and a wonderful comedian. If these women were raped, why didn’t they go to the police with the DNA evidence on them? I’m sorry but this story to me seems to be one of complete character assassination and nothing more.

    • Paul

      You are vile.

      • April Martin

        I’m not vile at all. I believe in innocent until proven guilty. If he is guilty, then ask for an arrest, file a police report, take it to trial.

        • mike

          First off, these women couldn’t go to police with “DNA evidence” when it happened, because forensic DNA technology didn’t exist back when it happened. And the Statutes of Limitations prevent them from doing anything now other than speaking out.

          • Elizabeth

            But they could certainly file a timely police report. None did.

          • Saturned

            Wrong. At least TWO did.

          • Elizabeth

            The key word here is “timely”. No timely reports.

          • Saturned

            Please do some reading at the Rape Abuse Incest National Network (I’ve posted a link on this thread) as to how often rape is reported.

          • Elizabeth

            I’m very informed on this issue as a rape survivor myself. I understand the reluctance to come forward. I understand the trauma.

            Each of these women have different stories. I’m not going to paint them all with the same brush. But I am saying, that when you allow a married man to pay your apartment & living expenses, and consider him your “pot of gold” upon whom your “fortunes depend,” and you willingly go back into the situation time after time because of your career hopes, I have no sympathy. That is a financial arrangement, and undermines real rape victims.

          • Saturned

            Sure. I agree with you Elizabeth. Not good judgement on anyone’s part. I wouldn’t call this woman a good victim. She capitalized on the situation. But, what about all the women who didn’t go back and tell the same story of being drugged?

            Is it so hard to imagine that this is Cosby’s M.O.? He drugs a broad, rapes her, then plies her with gifts and opportunities in order to keep her quiet? Again, a woman doesn’t have to be a saint in order to get raped. Even if a person is greedy does it mean it is okay to force that person to have sex even when they refuse?

            I appreciate that you are a survivor yourself. And yes, for most of us the notion of staying friendly with our rapists is unfathomable. But, it is terribly common. Stockholm Syndrome is a real thing. As is a perp’s propensity for finding victims.

            Children with money-hungry parents and wannabe starlets are easy targets for rape. If they complain or threaten to call the police, just offer the victim a job, money or tell them they will never be believed. Cosby’s story fits this pattern.

          • Elizabeth

            I find Tamara Green’s story believable.

            And I know about Stockholm syndrome but don’t think it applies. You voluntarily fly across the country to meet him? You *ask* to attend his performances?

            This is a married man. He gave the gifts and money and attention and career help – in many cases – *before* the incidents occurred. It seems to me he viewed these situations as transactions, and got pissed off when the other end of the bargain wasn’t upheld.

            Is that OK? No. But a lot of these cases, I find the women to be naïve and slightly mercenary. Not all.

          • Saturned

            Mercenary? For telling their stories? To suggest that rape victims who do not keep quiet are paid terrorists, that is Rape Culture.

            Stockholm Syndrome does apply. It is ugly and complicated just like rape. And I agree that many of these incidents come across as transactions. Does that mean Cosby’s behavior is okay? Does that mean he never drugged anyone? Does that mean we should give him a free pass?

            Is it a crime to be naive?

          • Elizabeth

            No it doesn’t mean it is OK. It doesn’t mean he gets a free pass. But neither do some of these women. I think some forfeited their rights to call themselves victims.

          • Saturned

            Perhaps, but does this mean their stories should not be told?

            Cosby is currently holding himself up as a paragon of virtue. Did you read or hear what his current schtick is? Lecturing African American men about personal responsibility?

            Anyone who speaks from this perspective of moral superiority should be critiqued. Wouldn’t you agree? And Hannibal Burress, who brought all of this to light in his act, was right to do so.

            Every woman who has made recent allegations has exposed herself to criticism and hatred. It is very much a sign of backlash when rape accusers are hated and perps are defended. Regardless of whether or not these accusers are themselves paragons of virtue, Cosby’s behavior as corroborated by growing numbers of women who have nothing to gain, is newsworthy.

            Is there anything which would lead you to believe that Cosby has indeed raped anyone?

    • JDF

      It’s very discouraging to think that Bill Cosby, a man that many people have viewed as role model for more than 20 years (myself included), could have done something so terrible, so disgusting, or wrong. This has got to be some of the most upsetting news I’ve ever heard. But you are blaming the victim. It is hard to fathom and if you want to lie to yourself, go right ahead I won’t judge you. But to go after the victims is wrong, he is a powerful man, and the shame and fear after being raped is powerful. These women deserve to be heard, do not discount their stories.

      • Dan Halfeldt

        I’ll judge evidence as soon as it is presented. Accusations w/o proof are nothing more than accusations.

        • Saturned

          Witness testimony is proof. This is why Cosby lost in Andrea Constand’s civil suit against him. 13 witnesses took the stand to testify against Cosby. There is lots of evidence. Take your blinders off.

          • L.Moore

            None of the 13 witnesses ever testified & he didn’t lose the case, he chose to settle it, which is not at all an indication &/or admission of guilt.Get your facts straight.

          • Saturned

            Cosby settled the suit which does indeed imply guilt. Why would an innocent man decide to give lots of money to a false accuser? He knew who the accusers were. If any of them were lying then his team of lawyers would have had a field day with them on the stand.

            You are correct that none of them were forced to take the stand because he settled before that could happen. Nonetheless, their depositions had to have been taken before the suit was even filed. He knew exactly what each of the 13 women would have said on the stand. This is why he settled.

          • Elizabeth

            When you are a public figure, the mere fact of a public accusation does all the damage. People hear and freak out, which is what is happening now.

            All we know for sure is that he cheated on his wife. I’m sure Camille was having a fit about the ladies on the side. That alone is reason to settle & get it behind him.

            So, many rational reasons to settle and get on with living life, & the fact that he did in no way implies guilt on a rape charge. The settlement did not admit guilt to rape. The parties “resolved their differences to their mutual satisfaction” and Constand & the Jane Does received cash (except Bowman who opted out).

          • Simon666

            It indeed seems quite clear he cheated on his wife frequently.

          • Tlaxcalli

            Why do you find it much easier to believe that he cheated on his wife frequently than to believe that he raped women frequently? Cosby has only publicly admitted to cheating on his wife with two women. That’s only slightly better proof than what the public has for serial rape. And since cheating is legal and rape isn’t, it makes sense that he would admit to the former and not the latter.

          • Simon666

            Because NONE ever filed rape charges all these years. The odds for that are very, very low.

          • Donna Johnson

            All of my posts are a month later, so I’ve been reading a lot of websites. It strikes me the same people are jumping around with accusations simply based on what has been online. I noticed that Simon666 has brought up filing rape charges numerous times and no one has seemed to contradict his point. If you are raped, there is a certain protocol that has to be met. NONE of these women came even close to an actual charge, they weren’t raped and to continually say that is an insult to those who have really been raped and had to go through hell.

          • Saturned

            I disagree that accusations do all the damage. If you were to study rape claims made against famous people you would see a pattern of protecting the perp and attacking the victim[s]. Often times, famous people gain more support and adulation after such charges are leveled. This happens time and time again. Does anyone remember MJ?

            It is a psychological phenomenon called Cognitive Dissonance. People get upset when someone who in their minds is a beacon of wholesomeness and happiness, is depicted in a criminal or unsavory light. It hurts to have conflicting information swimming around in our minds.

            So, we use defense mechanisms like denial to make ourselves feel better. You cannot be sure that Camille was having a fit. See, you are projecting? Did you see how Camille behaved while Cosby was threatening the journalist? She acted like a loyal dog who doesn’t understand English. Just smiled and looked around like everything was fine.

            And, by definition, giving money to an accuser does indeed SIGNIFY guilt.

            You have no idea what the settlement says. Why are you jumping through hoops to convince people that Cosby is not guilty? Did you grow up in the 1980s?

          • Simon666

            “Cosby settled the suit which does indeed imply guilt. ”
            “This is why he settled.”

            That is an assumption on your part. From three women’s testimony claiming to be raped:

            1. one claimed to have been “raped” twice, I mean like she went back to him
            2. one claimed that after the “rape”, she still lived at his place for weeks/months and he ended up paying her 10.000$ or so
            3. one claimed they had consensual sex for quite some time and only after she wanted to end it, he “raped her”

            It seems clear to me that he most likely cheated on his wife and that he doesn’t want dirty laundry to come out by settling, but I doubt anyone was raped. One woman shouting rape like admitted she only came forward after other women had come out in 2004 and was paid 7500$ for telling her story to a magazine.

          • Saturned

            Not an assumption on my part. Paying money to one’s accuser does, by definition, imply guilt.

            13 women have alleged rape.

            Who was paid $7,500?

          • Simon666

            It does not by definition imply guilt. As said, it can be to prevent dirty laundry from coming out, such as guilt of adultery (a near certainty in this case), but not necessarily guilt of the accusations. Beth Ferrier never told ANYONE about “her rape” until she heard about Constand’s allegation in 2004. Then she gave up her story for $7500 to the Enquirer. Excerpt:

            ==================================

            Then in February, she read in the National Enquirer about Constand’s allegation that Cosby drugged and groped her at his Montgomery County mansion in January 2004.

            “I was like, ‘Oh my gosh!’ It’s just like what happened to me,” said Ferrier, who has three children and is going through her second divorce. “That explains it. I’ve not, all these years, had an explanation.”

            She called the Enquirer trying to reach Constand. She ended up agreeing to tell her story to the supermarket tab for $7,500, so long as she passed a lie-detector test. She did the interview and passed the lie test.

            ==================================

            All you have to do is pass a lie detector test and $7500 in the pocket, if you don’t pass you gain nothing but you lose nothing either. Only WIN.

          • Saturned

            And Beth Ferrier is NOT one of the women who went to the police. Sorry, I don’t read the National Enquirer and cannot comment on anything they print. My comments about giving money to one’s accusers stand.

            Have you ever listened to this?:

            In this routine, Cosby describes his childhood fascination with a drug, “Spanish fly,” that supposedly makes women go crazy (or renders them incapacitated) if slipped into a drink. He says his fascination continued into adulthood, when he and “I Spy” co-star Robert Culp had the opportunity to go to Spain — and he became hopeful he might finally get his hands on some Spanish fly. Cosby describes how Culp, too, wanted to get his hands on the drug. see: http://www.salon.com/2014/11/17/liste

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx6KAd_Su3I

          • Simon666

            Women? Plural? Only Lachele Covington ever went to the police. And spanish fly is not a date rape drug, it is purely herbal. It is also part of a comedy routine.

          • Saturned

            Wrong. Both Andrea Constand and and Covington went to the police.

            He used narcotics to disable his victims and the fact that Cosby jokes about drugging women in his comedy routine does not mean it isn’t true. Take your blinders off, mijo!

            ‘One of Cosby’s accusers, Barbara Bowman, recently levelled allegations of sexual assault against him in interviews and in an online column.

            The married mother of two says she has struggled over the years to get people to believe her repeated claims that Cosby, one of America’s favourite television fathers, had sexually assaulted her repeatedly after offering to mentor her and give her acting lessons.

            Bowman claims that, in one incident when she was a teenager, she was drugged in Cosby’s New York apartment.

            Bowman says she blacked out after drinking one glass of wine, and came to wearing only her underpants and a man’s T-shirt.

            Cosby, who has never been criminally charged in any of the cases, settled a civil suit in 2006 with another woman over an alleged incident two years before.’

          • Simon666

            Andrea Constand only went to the police after a year (literally one year), while Covington seems to have gone quickly but only claimed sexually inappropriate behaviour, NOT rape.

            Spanish Fly is further NOT a narcotic or drug. Not all his victims claimed drugs were used, their testimonies are inconsistent and sometimes very questionable given their admission of consensual sex both BEFORE and even AFTER they claim “rape” occured. Figure out if you can.

          • Saturned

            I just replied epically but my missive is waiting approval. :-(

          • Saturned

            Let’s see if I am allowed to post a link?

            Reporting Rates

            Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 60% still being left unreported.1

            Why Will Only 3 Out of Every 100 Rapists Serve Time?

            The majority of sexual assault are not reported to the police (an average of 60% of assaults in the last five years were not reported).1 Those rapists, of course, will never spend a day in prison. But even when the crime is reported, it is unlike to lead to an arrest and prosecution. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 3% of rapists will ever serve a day in prison.

            https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

          • Simon666

            Keywords being “factoring in unreported rapes”. If not factored it, that 3% rate more than doubles. Then there is still the question if reported on time (and DNA evidence is available) and the rapist known, what percentage it becomes.

          • Saturned

            What? I’m lost. What are you trying to say?

          • Saturned

            This might help you to figure out why victims behave the way they do:

            Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

            After a traumatic event, it is typical to have feelings of anxiety, stress, or fear, making it difficult to adjust or cope for some time afterwards. In particular, survivors of sexual violence may experience severe feelings of anxiety, stress, or fear, known as Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). While it is natural to have some of these symptoms after a traumatic event, if they last more than a few weeks and become an ongoing problem, it might be PTSD. If left untreated, the symptoms of PTSD can grow worse and last for months or even years.

            Symptoms
            As classified by the National Institute of Mental Health, symptoms of PTSD can be grouped into three main categoriesii:

            Re-Experiencing
            This is a repeated reliving of the event, and interferes with daily activity. This category includes flashbacks, frightening thoughts, recurrent memories or dreams, and physical reactions to situations that remind you of the event.

            Avoidance
            These symptoms stem from the desire of a person to change their routine to escape similar situations to the trauma. Victims might avoid places, events, or objects that remind them of the experience. Emotions related to avoidance are numbness, guilt, and depression. Some have a decreased ability to feel certain emotions, like happiness. They also might be unable to remember major parts of the trauma, and feel that their future offers less possibilities than other people have.

            Hyper-arousal
            Hyper-arousal symptoms are all physiological. They include difficulty concentrating or falling asleep; being easily startled; feeling tense, and ‘on edge’; and angry outbursts. These can sum up to make it difficult for victims of PTSD to complete normal daily tasks.

            https://www.rainn.org/get-information/effects-of-sexual-assault

          • Simon666

            Take your example of Barbara Bowman. She claims three incidents: one where she wasn’t drugged but she essentially was forced (how?) to give him a handjob, once where she was given a glass of red wine and was drugged and THEN AGAIN two months later allowed herself to drink ANOTHER glass of red wine and be drugged? I mean, how delusional do you have to be to believe this stuff she says?

            And then, when asked why this happened in 1986 and she did not tell anyone including her mother or brother, she makes up this silly story of how Bill cosby somehow obviously knew her brother was in a children’s hospital and went to entertain the kids. What an evil man this Cosby, to entertain sick kids. Just to cover up “his rape”. Disgusting…. Yeah right.

            =============================================

            It was in a hotel in Reno, claims Bowman, that Cosby assaulted her one night in 1986. “He took my hand and his hand over it, and he masturbated with his hand over my hand,” says Bowman, who, although terrified, kept quiet about the incident and continued as Cosby’s protégé because, she says, “Who’s gonna believe this? He was a powerful man. He was like the president.” Before long she was alone with Cosby again in his Manhattan townhouse; she was given a glass of red wine, and “the next thing I know, I’m sick and I’m nauseous and I’m delusional and I’m limp and … I can’t think straight…. And I just came to, and I’m wearing a [men’s] T-shirt that wasn’t mine, and he was in a white robe.”

            A month or two later, she was in Atlantic City and says she was given another glass of red wine and felt “completely doped up again.” Confused, Bowman somehow made it back to her room, but the next day Cosby summoned her to his suite. After she arrived, Bowman says, Cosby “threw me on the bed and braced his arm under my neck so I couldn’t move my head, and he started trying to take his clothes off. I remember all the clinking of his belt buckle. And he was trying to take my pants down, and I was trying to keep them on.” Bowman says that not long after she resisted the assault, Cosby cut off contact with her and had her escorted to the airport for a flight back to Denver. She didn’t tell authorities about what happened, but she did approach an attorney who “wouldn’t take it seriously,” says Margo Singagliese, 52, the friend who went with her to see the lawyer.

            =============================================

            ‘My brother had cystic fibrosis and he was in the children’s hospital in Los Angeles,’ she recalls.

            ‘The very next day after he had attacked me Bill went to the hospital and entertained the children and gave them all gifts, including my brother, he was smart like that.

            ‘So when I got to the hospital to visit my brother and my mother, my brother was beaming.

            ‘And the nurses that had got friendly with us were thrilled to bits cause the great Bill Cosby had been there, the children were happy, my brother was a hero.

            ‘I just went “oh Christ what do I do now”.

          • Saturned

            “Bill cosby somehow obviously knew her brother was in a children’s hospital and went to entertain the kids.”

            This is exactly the type of thing a Perpetrator would do. Perps are very manipulative. They rely on the fact that people trust and respect them. Yes, Constand’s behavior is questionable. Don’t you think she would paint a sturdier story if she were making everything up?

            Yes, it is probably true that most of Cosby’s alleged victims were star-struck and opportunistic. Who wouldn’t be excited at the prospect of working for or with someone as famous and popular as Bill Cosby? Who wouldn’t want to dismiss signs that he was a violent rapist? That is what humans do. We don’t like Cognitive Dissonance.

            You don’t know how a woman can be forced to give a hand job? Really? Are you saying you don’t believe men are strong enough to force women’s hands onto their own penises? Or, are you saying no man would ever do such a thing?

            As far as not telling anyone, do you know much about the psychology of being raped? Can you imagine what it might be like to fear being disbelieved? Can you imagine being afraid of the rich, powerful man who physically and sexually assaulted you? Do you know anything about the compartmentalization of memories? What about self-blame?

            Do you think Bowman is sitting pretty right now? Why would she and so many others subject themselves to the hatred you and many like you are leveling at them? If the stories of what is it now, 8 different women, were utter lies wouldn’t Cosby want to sue them all for defamation of character? Please ask yourself these questions Simon666.

          • Simon666

            You’re expecting me to believe Cosby somehow knew about her brother, knew which hospital he stayed in and all of a sudden went to that hospital to entertain kids? Those kinds of appearances are usually way preplanned at the hospital. Sounds like a made up story.

          • Donna Johnson

            “Why would she and so many others subject themselves to the hatred you and many like you are leveling at them?”

            Please ask yourself, Saturned, where there is any indication of hatred for these women, espcially from Simon666? He is simply trying to point out that these are just stories that are discrediting certain of the women. Guess what? That would be done in a court proceeding, so it has nothing to do with hate. What is your problem with people simply disagreeing? You strike me as someone that loves these type of stories probably for your own titillation.

          • Saturned

            “I mean, how delusional do you have to be to believe this stuff she says?”

            You don’t think that’s hateful, Donna? Do you think Cosby’s alleged victims would have been treated well by the press at the time had they gone to the police? Did you miss the story about Andrea Constand being laughed out of the Police Station?

            Do you think it might be kind of difficult to set yourself up to be called a delusional liar after you’ve been drugged and raped by a famous man?

            When Simon666 says, “she makes up this silly story”, are you defending that, “[h]e is simply trying to point out that these are just stories that are discrediting certain of the women”?

            Does that sound like a fair shake to you? Being told one’s rape is nothing more than a silly story is one of the reasons why so few victims come forward to press charges against their attackers in a Rape Culture.

            I have no problem with people simply disagreeing. Also don’t have a problem using words to defend my own ideas and opinions. As far as “titillation” goes, I think you are projecting. Rape and Rape Culture disgust me.

          • r m reddicks

            As ignorant and unpleasant as Bill Cosby has always seemed to me (though I did have a laugh at his albums as a kid) it would not surprise me at all that he would conflate “spanish fly” with “ruffies” in his later days. Neither or which are funny.

          • Simon666

            You can Google “Another Cosby accuser speaks out” and read it on freerepublic if you don’t want to read the Enquirer.

          • Saturned

            Why is it so implausible for you to believe that Cosby is guilty?

          • Simon666

            Because no one (literally NO ONE) ever went to the police immediately claiming rape?

          • Tlaxcalli

            Really? How many times have you been raped and gone to the police immediately afterward?

          • Simon666

            Never been raped. But I suppose I’m going to be lectured now about some point of yours with this seemingly pointless question?

          • Simon666

            Another excerpt, same story:

            ==================================

            About 21 years ago, after she ended a months-long consensual affair with the entertainer, she says he drugged her when she visited him before a performance in Denver.

            ==================================

            So AFTER a MONTHS LONG CONSENSUAL AFFAIR, he feels he needs sex with her one more time and rapes her? Sure, sure. Can I sell you a bridge? I’ve got Brooklyn Bridge for sale.

          • Wallace Boss

            He used drugs on her then. One more time.

          • Beatrice

            I guess he wasn’t so thrilled she ended it., and showed her who’s boss. If you think this is merely about sex, it’s no wonder you do not understand the first thing about rape. It seems consensual sex, of which he could get plenty, was not good enough anymore.

          • Simon666

            It only showed why he chose to settle. Because most likely they did have a consensual relationship. Her story of him ending it with rape may sound spiteful, but doesn’t sound like the truth. At all.

          • Saturned

            What do you know about the behavior of rapists?

          • Tlaxcalli

            Wrong. It does sound like the truth.

          • r m reddicks

            Happens all the time. Women leave abusive husbands after months or years of consensual sex (much of which was probably not consensual). Ex visits the woman for this or that reason. He rapes her to re-visit the control he once had over her. Revenge rape.

          • Colin Miller

            And it “happens all the time” that spurned women do or say anything to get revenge. And it “happens all the time” that people with failing or non-existent careers do or say anything to grab a moment of limelight.

          • Saturned

            No Colin. False rape accusations do not happen all the time. They are quite rare.

          • Colin Miller

            They do when celebrities, money and/or fame are involved, with numerous examples in the MSM.

          • Saturned

            Sorry, what is MSM?

            But no. False accusations of rape are not common. False paternity suits, yes. Rape accusations, no.

            Can you understand that being raped is quite shameful? Why would anyone want others to think they were so weak and or stupid as to have put themselves into such a precarious situation?

          • Tlaxcalli

            Are you a rapist? Give me an honest answer.

          • Semi

            Attitudes like Simon’s are why spousal rape was not a concept for a long time. It wasn’t law in the USA until 1996.

            Rape isn’t about available sex it’s them taking what they can’t have.

          • zigthenzag

            and you think every single one of 18 women are lying and Cos wouldn’t know a roofie if he saw one? I’d like to give you the Holland Tunnel.

          • Semi

            Well Simon, a lot of abusive types lash out when someone says this is the last time it’s over. So yeah it’s possible.

          • robin4

            No, after months of a consensual affair the power-motivated rapist asserted his power over her by raping her, dehumanizing her and punishing her for daring to think she had a say as to when it was “over.”

            Lets be honest here, neither you nor I know the truth of that encounter. I am responding to your logic that since they had a affair he cannot have raped her at the end. For most of American history the law asserted a man could not rape his possession–oops, I mean could not rape his wife–because they were in a consensual relationship and after all, it was the wife’s duty to give it up whenever hubby wanted. The law has changed and it is now understood that even in the legal relationship of marriage it can and does occur that a predator can rape his wife and be charged and convicted of this rape.

            The problem is there are so many Simon666’s left that cannot conceive of the possibility that a man can rape a woman in a relationship so as a result many women find it too painful to add the mental/emotional assault she will have to endure in order to bring her predator-husband/boyfriend to justice. Sex is not the “right” of anyone. It is an act of MUTUAL consent and participation. When one decides to take that which is not theirs to coerce of force an act designed for mutual pleasure and connection becomes a violation, an act of violence which is not just physically but mentally and emotionally damaging. In fact, acquaintance and “relationship” rape can be the most destructive of all for many as it destroys the ability of the victim to trust and open the heart to future relationships.

          • Simon666

            It is just not credible to have months long consensual sex and then use drugs to rape. Period. It may be possible, but just not bloody likely.

          • Semi

            Very well said robin4.

          • Wallace Boss

            You aren’t taking into account the alleged drugs he plied on them.

          • Semi

            Joan Tarshis told the Washington Post that the 2nd occasion was for work: She was a writer and he was using her jokes in his concert. She was also not ready to tell her mother why she didn’t want to attend and he had phoned her mother and her mom was going to be there too. So she felt safe.

            However Joan became woozy, they told her to lie down in the limo and she says she woke up in his hotel room. Does that sound like anything consensual? Not to me.

            The first occasion, she said, was in his place of work on the studio lot (that’s a bungalow in Hollywood slang – they look like little houses, for VIPs) where she went to discuss the writing.

          • Semi

            They didn’t testify because the case was settled before they could.

          • Andrea

            No one testified! Constand’s case was settled out of court i.e. she received money.

          • Saturned

            Wrong Andrea. The witnesses did not testify during a trial because Cosby paid Constand in order to prevent the trial from taking place.

            What you fail to understand is, before civil charges can be filed, the victim’s attorney collects what are called “depositions” from other witnesses. For a civil trial in California, depositions can even be videotaped.

            I don’t know if any of the witnesses who were prepared to testify against Cosby were videotaped but, their allegations had already been recorded and given to Constand’s and Cosby’s attorneys prior to the settlement.

            This is the way it works. It was knowledge of the allegations in the 13 witness depositions which convinced Cosby to settle rather than have their testimony revealed in a court of law. Get it now?

          • Donna Johnson

            What you have been saying is legal and binding when a case is headed for a trial, but it doesn’t seem that was the situation. This was more like a threat to sue in a civil court if Constand didn’t get money. And this entire mess, without any filing of rape charges, is a terrible insult to those that have actually been raped and had to go through the repercussions of that. You’re making a very traumatic situation much, much worse for those victims.

          • Saturned

            I am making a very traumatic situation much worse for victims of rape? What?

            “What you have been saying is legal and binding when a case is headed for a trial, but it doesn’t seem that was the situation.”

            Where did you go to Law School, mija? Because, all of the 13 witnesses who were prepared to go to trial, told their stories to Constand’s attorney. What are you trying to argue?

            What is legal and binding? Constand was prepared to sue in Civil Court but Cosby offered her a settlement to keep that from happening. Constand went to the Police and THEY were the ones who declined to file charges. Did you not read this article?!

          • Gregori118

            Sorry but testimony is not proof. Unless those 13 women were there to say that they witnessed a rape…it’s not evidence.

          • Saturned

            Where did you go to Law School?

            ‘Cause I take good notes and authenticated witness testimony, absolutely qualifies as “evidence” in a court of law. Guess that’s why so many judges allow it to be introduced?

            And YES, those 13 women were assembled to testify as to having witnessed rapes. Their own! Do you not think victims are capable of witnessing their own bodies being raped?

            Maybe Cornell University can help you understand?:

            In trial practice, the process by which a party attempting to have some sort of evidence admitted at trial must provide sufficient evidence so that a reasonable juror can conclude that the evidence the party seeks to admit is what that party claims it to be. The process of authentication is often referred to as “laying a foundation” for the evidence desired to be admitted at trial. There are several different methods that can be used to authenticate evidence, including testimony by a witness with personal knowledge on the authenticity of the evidence.
            http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_701

            If Cornell is over your head Gregori, try Wikipedia:

            ‘Eyewitness testimony is the account a bystander gives in the courtroom, describing what that person observed that occurred during the specific incident under investigation. Ideally this recollection of events is detailed, however this is not always the case. This recollection is used as evidence to show what happened from a witness’ point of view. Eyewitness testimony is a specialized focus within cognitive psychology.’
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony

            Don’t be sorry Gregori118, be informed. Read more. Oh, and stop defending rapists.

    • Bonnie Em

      I highly recommend reading Barbara Bowman’s account (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2806437/Bill-Cosby-threw-bed-pinned-neck-ll-never-forget-sound-clinking-belt-buckle-Actress-lifts-lid-harrowing-years-rape-hands-TV-legend.html) of what happened to her at Cosby’s hands. as she points out in her piece, she attempted to seek help at the time of the incidents and was silenced, as far too many victims of sexual assault/ rape are, because of the cult of celebrity surrounding Cosby. in addition to that cult of celebrity, we are thoroughly entrenched in culture’s institutionalized sexism, which can result in, amongst many other things, victim-blaming. why else would the voices of 13 women, who independently tell very close but unique variations of the same story, weigh less than the voice of one man who REFUSES TO EVEN DENY THE ALLEGATIONS?

      • April Martin

        Michael Jackson had a cult following and even though his victims testimonies were extremely credible, he got off scot free. The only difference between MJ and BC is which side of the political fence they were on. This is not about sex crimes at all, but politics. One man’s cult hero is another man’s pedophile/serial rapist.

        • http://www.langleywrite.com/ Pamela Ramos Langley

          What are you talking about April? Are you seriously trying to make this a political issue? Your logic is completely flawed. There are loads of male celebrities out there, and I can’t think of one who is walking scott-free after 13 depositions alleging rape and sexual misconduct have been taken. You don’t find the similarities in stories at least worth considering? You think that 13 women from different walks of life all come up with the same story and there’s no merit? Mr. Cosby got lucky because he was old by the time DNA evidence came into practice. Also our cultural outlook regarding rape and abuse has changed, I know, I’ve watched it. This is one case where it may be too late to prosecute, but it is certainly not too late to hold a very powerful and wealthy man accountable for his actions.

          • Saturned

            Rape IS a political issue Pamela.

            MJ got off scott-free did he not? What are you arguing against? Both men were rich and popular and both men got away with rape because they paid off victims.

          • http://www.langleywrite.com/ Pamela Ramos Langley

            No, Saturned, rape is NOT a political issue, it is a crime. It is a gender/power/sickness issue. Rape has nothing to do with partisan politics, try as some folks do to make it so–it may be bio-political, but that does not involve a Republican/Democrat continuum.

            And incidentally, Michael Jackson was close friends with politicians from both “sides of the fence” so to suggest he got off because he was on one side or the other
            is ridiculous. To suggest Mr. Cosby is being targeted unfairly because he’s a Republican is ridiculous. The world is full of perpetrators of all (or no) political persuasions.

            And why would you bust my chops, anyway, since it is clear if you read my comment that I think anyone
            committing rape should be prosecuted. Is it my fault that the people associated with MJ took a payoff? In the case at hand, Mr. Cosby, there appears to be a big boatload of corroborating evidence. April doesn’t believe it for a minute, as she said, so I came back with my rebuttal. For me, when 15 unrelated, diverse women come up with a very similar story that spans time, then I’m going to presume there is something there.

          • Saturned

            Pamela, you need to look up the definition of politics. Do you think rape has always been a crime? When and why have social attitudes about marital rape changed in recent decades? Could it have anything to do with the Women’s Movement? Political discourse? Check out some Sociology and get back to me on that.

            You seriously misunderstand the meaning of political. Politics are who gets what, when and how. Has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats in this instance.

            I NEVER said anything to the effect that Cosby was being treated unfairly. On the contrary. Rich people write the script, so to speak.

            “For me, when 15 unrelated, diverse women come up with a very similar story that spans time, then I’m going to presume there is something there.”

            We are in total agreement on that account. I merely asked you to clarify your argument.

          • http://www.langleywrite.com/ Pamela Ramos Langley

            Saturned, why are you not
            getting this? Your condescension is laughable, actually as I not only have “checked
            out some sociology” but actually have studies it vastly, and have worked in
            non-profit and social problems. How about you? I know well and good what
            political means, I’m a published writer, and have a dual degree which was
            geared toward social philosophy, rhetoric and logic. So please don’t talk down
            to me as if you know something I don’t. You clearly are not following the
            trajectory of this discussion. APRIL is the one who set out her argument that
            MJ got off of rape charges because he was on “one side of the political fence”
            and BC is on another. I refuted that, and made the argument that whether a perp
            gets off of rape charges has nothing to do with politics. AND I pointed out
            that rape is not subject to the Republican/Democrat continuum, no matter how
            much people want to make it so. Rape is a crime.

            I also talked about rape
            being bio-political, but that is NOT what April said, or relevant to THIS
            discussion about Bill Cosby. I’m not the one misunderstanding the meaning of
            political, Saturned, YOU are.

            I am well aware of the
            history of rape and gender politics. THAT is not what April was talking about.
            How about you go back and read her original comment and my responses to her.
            BTW, you didn’t ask me to clarify anything—you came on snapping at my comment
            to April that rape is not a political issue, her contention being (and I’ll
            repeat this yet again) that rapists get off depending on the “side of the
            political fence” that they are on. You should be arguing with HER, not me.

          • Saturned

            Remember when you said, “rape is NOT a political issue”?

            “I also talked about rape being bio-political.”

            I missed that. Did you say it before or after you said rape was NOT a political issue?

          • http://www.langleywrite.com/ Pamela Ramos Langley

            OMG, Saturned, you really
            need to READ my comments instead of skimming them. I’m done with this bickering
            over semantics. Have you ever heard of the word political in reference to
            American politics? Remember when APRIL SAID that it mattered ”which side of the
            political fence” a perpetrator sits on? Yeah, THAT’S the CONTEXT in which I was
            responding. Maybe you should learn a little something about context, as you so
            arrogantly told me to do about sociology. I’m going to bet dollars to donuts
            that April wasn’t referring to bio-politics of the history of gender
            narratives.

          • Elizabeth

            Hardly. That trial killed MJ.

          • Saturned

            Sorry, I don’t know what that “Hardly” is in reference to.

            But, no. Those trials (there was more than one and countless depositions during which MJ paid millions to multiple accusers) did not kill MJ. He lived through the whole thing. He died because he was addicted to propofol. Narcotics killed MJ.

          • Elizabeth

            There are so many factual errors in that statement that you are completely undermining your own argument against Cosby. Multiple trials? I think you ought to drop the MJ topic for your own good.

          • Elizabeth

            The problem with the “similarities in stories” is that these women showed up not through police detective work, but by seeing Constand’s charges in the news.

          • Saturned

            That’s not a problem, Elizabeth. The accusers can each prove to having known Cosby. And two of them DID go to the police.

          • Elizabeth

            It does, however, mean that you can’t use “similarities in stories” as definitive proof, because there are other explanations.

          • Saturned

            Sure. I’m not using anything as definitive proof because I am not a juror and this is not a trial. I can read between the lines form my own opinion however.

          • Semi

            What other explanations? A time machine? The women told friends, family, police, a lawyer, and it sounds like some told reporters years ago as well.

          • Semi

            No, they didn’t “show up by seeing Constand’s charges in the news.” Lachele Covington made a police report in 2000. There was a story printed in 1990. Wendy Williams mentioned it on radio and she alleges Cosby tried to have her fired for it. Someone mentioned their alleged incident in a 1996 video interview for something else. Do you care about the facts or are you just here to defend accused rapists at any cost?

          • Gregori118

            And how would you propose we do that? Repeal the statute of limitations? Push for prosecution of cases based on allegations alone? Even the most unenlightened person could see this would lead to anarchy. Especially considering the level of spite, revenge and vindictiveness some women are capable of. Even within these very posts the hatred and vitriol leveled against those who would dare to question these womens allegations is revealing.

        • Simon666

          “even though his victims testimonies were extremely credible”

          Hah. Revionist history, not only on Stormfront.

        • Elizabeth

          Jackson’s accusers were proven to be liars in court. You should read the transcripts.

          The similarity between their cases is the immediate public condemnation & shaming. We do love our juicy scandals in America, and coming to immediate conclusions without facts is our speciality.

          • Saturned

            I read the transcripts! What lies? Give me an example? If the accusers were proven to be liars, why did Jackson pay them money?

          • Elizabeth

            You see? You have just proved my entire point. You have no clue what actually happened in the MJ case. You’re engaged in rabid hysteria based on what you hear in the news, which is only half the truth. You haven’t read the transcripts.

          • Saturned

            I have read the court transcripts of Jackson’s trials.

            Can you give me a specific example (link?) to any witnesses or accusers who were proven to be lying?

            And my words (not hysteria) are based on quite a bit more than just the transcripts.

            But please, enlighten me. Who was proven to be lying? Was it one of the many young men who were paid settlements?

          • Elizabeth

            Yes, I can and I will, as soon as you tell me which of his “many trials” you are talking about. You really ought to inform yourself before you go there.

          • Saturned

            phillymag gets upset when I post links so I’ll just give you the info from Los Angeles Superior Court Transcripts:

            ‘Judge will allow testimony that Michael Jackson previously molested five boys; victims said to include Macaulay Culkin, noted choreographer’

            ‘District Attorney Tom Sneddon asked trial Judge Rodney Melville for permission to call former Neverland Ranch security guard Kassim Abdool to corroborate shocking testimony by another guard given earlier this month.

            “Jackson called Abdool and asked him to go to Jackson’s car and get a jar of Vaseline from the centre console of the vehicle and bring it to his bedroom,” Sneddon wrote in documents released by the court on Wednesday.

            Jackson appeared aroused

            “When Jackson opened the door to his bedroom, Jackson was wearing only his pyjama bottoms, appeared sweaty, aroused and Abdool observed Jackson to have an erection under his pyjama bottoms,” Sneddon continued.

            “There was a young boy, who he believed was (the teenager who made sex abuse claims against Jackson later in 1993) in the bedroom with Mr Jackson,” the prosecutor said.

            The boy who accused Jackson of abuse won an out-of-court-settlement worth more than $20m from Jackson in 1994 in return for the youth’s pledge never to talk publicly about the allegations.

            The deal led to the collapse of Sneddon’s criminal investigation against Jackson after the boy declined to testify against the superstar.’

          • Elizabeth

            And….?? Did you read Culkin’s testimony in which he said it was complete & utter nonsense?

            Did you know that Kassim is one of the “Neverland 5″ a group of employees who had been fired from Neverland for stealing and that Jackson had previously won a judgment against them?

            You are asserting that because someone says something, it must be true. You are asserting that because lots of people jump on the same bandwagon, it must be true. That is the problem I have with your arguments. I’m not defending Cosby per se, but I do convict the American public of being distracted by shiny things and not thinking.

          • Saturned

            Here is my post without the link from the CNN transcripts:

            ‘“On your show, Culkin has said that nothing happened, and that he just came to Neverland as a friend with Michael Jackson, and spent a lot of time with Michael Jackson, but nothing inappropriate happened. During the course of testimony in this trial, however, two Jackson former employees have come forward and said they saw, with their own eyes, inappropriate behavior by Jackson against Culkin. One, a former chef, said that he saw Jackson with his hand actually inside Macaulay Culkin’s pants while the two were playing a video game at Neverland, and then a maid said that she saw Jackson touching Culkin inappropriately.”’

          • Saturned

            Did you miss this?:

            “The boy who accused Jackson of abuse won an out-of-court-settlement worth more than $20m from Jackson in 1994 in return for the youth’s pledge never to talk publicly about the allegations.”

          • Elizabeth

            On the contrary, the settlement didn’t prevent him from talking AT ALL. The settlement is what his parents wanted – money. They had no interest in going to court and prosecuting Jackson. They could have done.

            In 2005, that boy was called to testify by the prosecution, but he refused, and fled the country to avoid subpoena. Not because his silence had been bought, but because he wasn’t going to perjure himself.

            That kid had previously sued his parents for legal emancipation after the settlement, depriving them of access to the funds. He hadn’t spoke to his mother in 11 years. As for his father? He committed suicide shortly after Jackson’s death.

          • Saturned

            Wrong. The settlement stipulates that Chandler cannot speak about Jackson. What ever the Chandler’s wanted is irrelevant to the fact that the District Attorney very much DID want to prosecute Jackson. And they could not do that without Jordan Chandler’s testimony.

            What do those facts about the victim stipulate? Not that he was lying but rather that he wanted to take the money and avoid testifying. If the District Attorney thought he was lying they NEVER would have brought charges against Jackson. You say you are a survivor but do you have any idea how difficult it is to prove rape in a court of law? Do you know that DAs are very reluctant to prosecute rapists? Especially ones who are so rich and powerful?

            And what do Chandler’s parents have to do with anything? Obviously they were unethical people. Who else would let their little boy sleep in bed with a grown man? Chandler’s parents were exactly the type Jackson depended on to supply him with victims. Remember the theme park? Jackson is a text-book Child Rapist in every way. Why is that so impossible for you to believe? He paid off at least 13 other accusers. Does that sound like innocence to you?

            Can you ask yourself why you so fervently believe that these men are innocent? Do you not believe there is any chance they might be guilty?

          • Elizabeth

            Cosby yes. Jackson no.

          • Saturned

            So, you know for a fact that Jackson never raped a child? How do you know this?

          • Saturned

            “On the contrary, the settlement didn’t prevent him from talking AT ALL. ”

            Incorrect:

            ‘In the settlement, both parties agreed they would not speak about the case details in public but it did not prevent the Chandlers from testifying in a criminal trial or sharing information with authorities in a criminal investigation.[98]’

          • Simon666

            LMAO you even mention Macaulay Culkin. That shows you the credibility.

          • Saturned

            I don’t understand. Are you saying MJ did not know Culkin?
            “[T]he credibility”? The credibility of what? My argument or the Los Angeles Superior Court Transcripts?

          • Saturned

            There was the People v Michael Joseph Jackson, a 2005 trial involving a 13-year-old boy that Jackson had befriended named Gavin Arvizo accused him of sexual abuse. Jackson was indicted for four counts of molesting a minor, four counts of intoxicating a minor in order to molest him, one count of attempted child molestation, and one count of conspiring to hold the boy and his family captive at his 2,700-acre (11 km2) Neverland Ranch, as well as conspiring to commit extortion and child abduction. He denied all counts. On June 13, 2005, the jury found Jackson not guilty on all fourteen charges, which included all of the above plus four lesser-included misdemeanor counts.

          • Saturned

            I misspoke when I said trials because Jackson got out of having to endure a trial when he paid off.

            The first public allegations Jackson faced were in 1993. During the trial which followed this happened:

            ‘The unnamed private eye who provided the newspaper with his copies of the old files said he came forward after listening to Wade Robson, a one-time Jackson loyalist who now claims he was molested by the singer for seven years. Despite being the lead defense witness at Jackson’s 2005 child-abuse trial, Robson, now 30, has changed his story and says the sexual abuse began when he was 7 years old. In May, Robson filed legal papers and told the Today Show earlier this year he could no longer stay silent about the horrible secret Jackson had “brainwashed” him to keep.’

          • Elizabeth

            Again, you’re proving my point entirely. You just copy-and pasted some text from 2014 as if it was something that happened in 1993. You’re sinking your own arguments time after time.

          • Saturned

            Were there no allegations made against Jackson in 1993? After testifying in 2005, Robson said Jackson HAD in fact molested him. Where is the discrepancy?

          • Elizabeth

            Yes. This is a prime example of why a healthy dose of skepticism is necessary!

            The new mess – Robson had been a staunch defender of his for years. He is on tape in 2012 announcing that he was going to be choreographing the MJ Cirque du Soleil show. But then, he didn’t get that job, it went to a competitor of his. Feeling outraged about what was “owed” to him for his previous loyalty, and subsequent to Jackson estate announcing record profits, he suddenly “remembered” that he had perjured himself in 2005.

            Really, don’t use Jackson to bolster your arguments. Cosby may be guilty. But Jackson is Exhibit A why your reasoning needs to be based on something other than statements. Bring me a person who obtained the drugs for Cosby. Bring me the agent who arranged the meetings. Bring me that type of corroboration, I am listening.

          • Saturned

            I don’t have any of the proof you await. I wasn’t involved. But, if you were Cosby and you were innocent wouldn’t you want to take your accusers to court and ask them those questions? Why isn’t he suing them for defamation?

            As a survivor, can you understand the phenomenon of Repressed Memories? Do you know how often people employ this defense mechanism?

            Why are you unwilling to level any skepticism against Jackson or Cosby?

          • Elizabeth

            I do believe it plausible to think that Cosby engaged in sexual misconduct in at least some cases. The drugging part bothers me. But I do not believe that every person who comes along with a similar story must immediately be believed, I myself could tell such a story now, and get my face on TV if I chose to.

            As for Jackson, I could write a book on why I believe him (indeed there are such books already). The fact that you cite the presence of a theme park as some sort of evidence? You really are just going by what you read in the news.

            My entire point here is the profit incentive of the media, and their intellectually dishonest clickbait ways. And the fact that you are constantly cherry picking and pasting news articles just shows you haven’t thought deeply for yourself. I would respect your anti-Cosby position more if you dropped the reliance on crowd-sourced hysteria as your entire thesis.

          • Saturned

            Profit incentive? Really? Is that why the AP decided NOT to air the question to Cosby asked by the reporter? Remember, it wasn’t until more allegations surfaced that the clip was released?

            Didn’t NBC and Netflix have a profit incentive to stay in business with Cosby? Haven’t all of these allegations served to quash a great many profitable business deals?

            It is easy to document that profit incentives lie in covering up rapes by famous people, not exposing them. The statute of limitations has also expired as far as prosecution or civil suits are concerned in regard to Cosby’s accusers.

            I never said that every accuser must immediately be believed. Merely that we should listen to their stories and not hate them for speaking out.

            And YOU would not be able to garner any TV air time for accusing Cosby, given the fact that you cannot prove you have ever even met him. Whereas, all of the recent accusers can do just that.

            And I didn’t say MJs park was proof but it was indeed evidence that the man had a desire to attract children. Adults who go out of their way to procure unrelated children into their homes (and sleep naked with them) are indeed suspicious to me.

            I’ll go further to tell you that NOT all of my opinions come from what I’ve read in the news. I could write a book on Jackson myself and it would be far more credible than yours for reasons I’m not going to talk about on this thread.

          • Elizabeth

            “Given the fact that you cannot prove you have ever even met him”

            And you know this how? You see, you are in the habit of making wild assumptions, which is the problem I have with your arguments. Although, you are correct, I do not.

            The profit incentive *used to be* not to go there with the allegations. Now that has been turned on its head, and the profit incentive is *for* devoting endless air time to them. In neither case are all the facts actually being discussed.

            If I could find one story that is willing to question the victim behavior, and yet still question Cosby’s as well, then I’d feel we were getting somewhere. In fact, I suppose the reason I am commenting on this story by Huber from 2006 is because it is a perfect example of what journalism should really be about. It is in fact the one story that meets this criteria.

          • Saturned

            True, this was an assumption on my part. Was it a wild assumption? No. Most people don’t know Bill Cosby.

          • Saturned

            None of the stories question the victim’s behavior?

            Have you not read any interviews? Did you not see Don Lemon ask Joan Tarshis why she didn’t use her teeth as a weapon to prevent the oral sex?

          • Semi

            Thank you. Elizabeth is trying very hard to make a case that false accusations are a common thing, media witch hunts etc. She claims to be a rape victim. Who knows, but what I see here is someone who is talking like an MRA poster child.

          • Saturned

            Charges WERE brought against Jackson in 1993 and again late 2003. This is the point I was making. There was only one trial because Jackson settled. But, he was charged by the District Attorney twice. This is why I made reference to facts I’d read in the transcripts of two different legal proceedings.

            Who is sinking? Did you read all the information about Jackson’s naked parties with little boys? Do you know how many (never discredited) eye witnesses testified to seeing Jackson molest a child? Where do you get your information?

          • Elizabeth

            He was not charged whatsoever in 1993

          • Saturned

            ‘In the summer of 1993, Evan Chandler accused Michael Jackson of sexually abusing Chandler’s 13-year-old son, Jordan. The relationship between Jackson and Evan had begun in May 1992; Chandler initially welcomed and encouraged the friendship, and bragged about his connection to a celebrity.[1] The friendship became well known as the tabloid media reported that Jackson became a member of the Chandler family.

            In June 1993, Chandler confronted his ex-wife June, who had custody of Jordan, with suspicions that their son had been in an inappropriate relationship with Jackson but June dismissed his worries.[2][3] According to several sources, Chandler threatened to go public with the evidence he claimed he had on Jackson,[3] who asked his lawyer Bert Fields to intervene.[2] Chandler’s lawyer, Barry K. Rothman, called psychiatrist Mathis Abrams and reported a hypothetical situation of sexual molestation mirroring what his son had alleged.

            Without meeting Jordan, Abrams then sent Rothman a letter on July 15 stating there was “reasonable suspicion” of sexual abuse and if it had been a real case, he would be required by law to contact the Los Angeles County Department of Children’s Services (DCS).[4] On August 4, Chandler and Jordan met with Jackson and Anthony Pellicano, Jackson’s private investigator, and Chandler read out Abrams’ letter. He then opened negotiations to resolve the issue with a financial settlement.[5][6] On August 16, three days after Chandler and Rothman had rejected a $350,000 offer from Jackson’s camp, June’s attorney notified Rothman that he would be filing papers next morning to force Chandler to return Jordan to allow him to go on the Asian leg of Jackson’s Dangerous World Tour.

            On the day Jackson began the third leg of his tour, news of the allegations broke to the public and received worldwide media attention. Jackson ultimately cancelled the remainder of the tour due to health problems arising from the scandal. In January 1994 Jackson reached a financial settlement with the Chandlers to resolve the matter and in September a criminal investigation was closed due to lack of evidence. Five months after Jackson’s death, Evan Chandler killed himself on November 5, 2009, in his apartment in Jersey City, New Jersey.’

            By the summer of 1993, it was revealed that Jackson had children sleep over in his bed with him at his Neverland ranch, a fact which came under much media scrutiny when child sexual abuse allegations were brought against him.[7][8] Jackson became firm friends with Jordan Chandler and his family after a meeting in May 1992, as he was a fan of Jackson.[9] Their friendship became so close that the National Enquirer ran a featured story with the title “Michael’s New Adopted Family”, which implied that Jackson had “stolen” the boy from his estranged father, Evan Chandler, a dentist, who was admittedly jealous over Jackson’s influence on his son.[10] According to celebrity biographer, J. Randy Taraborrelli, Chandler asked, “Look, are you having sex with my son?” and after Jackson denied doing so, Chandler’s opinion of Jackson changed.[10] Jackson invited Jordan, his stepsister and his mother to visit Neverland on the weekends and they would also take trips to Las Vegas and Florida.[9] These weekend trips began to interfere with Jordan’s scheduled visits with his father, with Jordan preferring to visit Neverland.[11] In May 1993, when Jackson and Jordan stayed with Chandler, he urged Jackson to spend more time with his son at his house and even suggested that Jackson build an addition onto the house so that Jackson could stay there.[1] After the zoning department told Chandler it could not be done, he suggested that Jackson just build him a new home.[1] That same month, Jordan and June flew with Jackson to Monaco for the World Music Awards.[1][11] According to June’s lawyer, Michael Freeman, “Evan began to get jealous of the involvement and felt left out.”[1] Upon their return, Chandler was pleased with a five-day visit from Jackson, during which Jackson slept in a room with Jordan and his stepbrother.[1] Chandler claimed this was when his suspicions of sexual misconduct by Jackson began, although he admitted that Jackson and Jordan always had their clothes on when he saw them in bed together and has never claimed to have witnessed any sexual misconduct between the two.[12]

          • Saturned

            philly not letting me post lengthy responses:

            ‘A civil lawsuit was filed by Jordan Chandler and his parents on September 14, 1993.[66] In late 1993, district attorneys in Santa Barbara and Los Angeles counties both convened grand juries to assess whether criminal chargesshould be filed against Jackson.[67] By January 1, 1994, $2 million had been spent by prosecution departments in California and the grand juries had questioned 200 witnesses, but Jordan’s allegations could not becorroborated.[68] On January 4, 1994, Chandler’s attorney, Larry Feldman, filed a motion for the photos from Jackson’s December 1993 body search from investigators, saying Jackson’s attorneys and the L.A. district attorney had refused to give him copies.[69] A few weeks later, Feldman petitioned the court that he should be allowed access to Jackson’s finances over concerns that the singer’s wealth would give him an unfair advantage in court.’

          • Saturned

            ‘The verdict was a devastating disappointment for Thomas W. Sneddon Jr., the Santa Barbara County district attorney, who has pursued Mr. Jackson for 12 years, since the time another boy made similar accusation.

            Mr. Sneddon tried to bring a criminal case involving that boy, but was thwarted when the witness and his family reached a $20 million civil settlement with Mr. Jackson and refused to cooperate in a criminal investigation.

            When Mr. Sneddon brought the new charges in late 2003, Mr. Jackson and his supporters accused him of pursuing a vendetta and a trophy case to cap his long career. Mr. Sneddon adamantly denied that at a news conference Monday afternoon.’

          • Elizabeth

            The WORST possible argument you can make in convincing people of Cosby’s guilt is to use the Michael Jackson case as proof. He WAS found innocent and the media WAS guilty, guilty, guilty of blowing it up into a ratings bonanza.

            Huffington Post (June 2010) One of the Most Shameful Episodes In Journalistic History http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-thomson/one-of-the-most-shameful_b_610258.html

            Again. I’m not actually defending Cosby. I AM saying that the everyone’s-doing-it-argument makes me more skeptical of your points, not less.

          • Saturned

            Jackson was never found Innocent. Simply, the jury did not see enough evidence to find him guilty. Tell me what the Huffington Post says about the witnesses guilt or innocence?

          • Semi

            Now you are defending Jackson, too. Are you even female? Why are you so much on the side of accused rapists and accused pedophiles?

          • Tlaxcalli

            I know nothing about the MJ case, but there is not a sliver of a doubt in my mind that Bill Cosby is guilty.

        • Bonnie Em

          I’d like to see you tell any of the women involved in these allegations “This is not about sex crimes at all” to their face.

          http://media2.giphy.com/media/QUZsJFpNBJPUs/200.gif

      • Simon666

        If you actually read that account in the Daily Mail, she had consensual sex often as well:

        “Barbara said there were times she’d push him away, but then she’d give in. ”

        It just appears she has regrets about their encounters. And “she was silenced”? In what way? Who told her to never file a report all these times? She claims to have been drugged multiple times. She is just not credible and sounds deluded and bitter.

        • Elizabeth

          Agree

        • utriedtho

          “Push away and give in” doesn’t sound so much like “willingly consented” as it does “completely robbed of power”. I would have regrets about such an encounter, too.

          • Semi

            Exactly. Thank you. Sounds abusive and groomed. Bowman was 17 when she met Cosby. She sounds like she was gaslighted, abused, raped, and worn down. When she fought back, that was the end, I think.

        • Bonnie Em

          Both parties may have been taking advantage of one another, but I’d say the power differential strongly favored Cosby. In that case, consent becomes pretty difficult to parse out. This is one of the reasons bosses are discouraged from having sexual/ romantic relationships with subordinates. There was clearly coercion going on.
          Also, the fact that she “sometimes” had consensual sex does not negate the fact that, by her account, he forcibly attacked her and attempted to rape her. Attempted rape is, in fact, illegal, as is assault.

      • Elizabeth

        She also says that he was paying for her apartment in New York, that he was her “pot of gold” that her fortune & fame depended on, that she voluntarily checked into his hotel room in Atlantic City, etc. etc. I’m sorry but after it happens once, if you keep going back for more in hopes of financial & career benefits, it’s no longer rape. It’s prostitution.

        • Bonnie Em

          Prostitutes, as human beings, can actually also be raped. Rape is not ever one half of an equal exchange, and if you think that… frankly, I have no words for the stupidity.
          While I don’t condone gold-digging, it also is no sort of justification for forcing oneself on someone when they haven’t expressed consent and have, in fact, asked one to stop.

          • Semi

            Apparently some people still fail to understand that you can be IN a consensual relationship and be raped by your partner or friend. You can be groomed for abuse and return to them afterward. Anything to blame the victims I guess. I’m not replying to Elizabeth on this one because she and the others are just here to troll in my opinion. Sick of it.

    • Rank Frizzo

      You realize there was no DNA testing in the 60s, right? And you said yourself he is “a great actor.” How do we not for a fact that his life wasn’t his best act of all?

      • Simon666

        You do realize in 1969 when it is word against word, a white woman would win instantly against a black man? One of his recent “victims” to come forward is a white woman claiming he raped her in 1969 and she was afraid to come forward “because she wouldn’t be believed”. Yeah right…

        • Elizabeth

          Excellent point. In 1969 it would have been a slam dunk. But in fact, none of these women, not one, went to police at the time of their alleged incidents. I have to question that.

          • Saturned

            Wrong. Read more. Two of his alleged victims went to the police. Another went to an attorney who laughed at her allegations.

          • Semi

            Why do you ‘have to question’ anything Elizabeth? Why do you ‘have to’ try to argue against the accusers? I wonder.

          • Gregori118

            Because in this country you are presumeinnocent proven guilty. Or doest that fact interfere with your lynch mob mentality? Why do you not comprehend the fact that 30 yr old accusations with zero physical proof and zero witnesses will lead rational people to at least question the veracity of the witnesses? Whether it’s 15 or 150. How many of these women could have read about this at some time and manufactured the alleged incident to bandwagon for their 15 mof?? Not saying he s innocent..so please keep the personal attacks to yourself. The was a time where a white woman could accuse a black man of rape and he’d be dead by nightfall. Is that the world you prefer? How long do you think itwould be before your husband father brother son is accused by some psychobitch??

          • Semi

            Oh please, you do the actual victims of lynching a huge disservice in comparing some stories in the media to them being forcefully hanged in a tree. Really you are shameful to use that to try to load up your argument.

            People use their judgment daily. You decide who you trust and who you do not trust. That is perfectly legal.

            I have yet to attack anyone personally. That’s typically reserved for the Cosby fans. I have even gotten death threats already for defending these women.

            Oh but I see you are not above calling these women a vile name. Duly noted.

          • Saturned

            It is extremely rare for anyone to make false accusations of rape. Look it up. And you know what is even less frequent than false accusations? That would be a District Attorney’s desire to prosecute a rapist based on flimsy evidence.

            You say there are 0 witnesses? Are you forgetting about the close to 30 alleged victims who have told their stories? Physical proof is hard to come by if a rapist uses a condom and doesn’t leave any bruises on the victim.

            Relax dude, Cosby is in no danger of being lynched. Just like Clarence Thomas. Both men are safe and warm all up in the .o1%.

            “The was a time where a white woman could accuse a black man of rape and he’d be dead by nightfall. ”

            Again, I’d be interested to see links which prove that White Women were in the habit of doing such? For what purpose?

            I agree with you that fears of miscegenation used to be hella big in the deep south back in the days of the Reconstruction. But, there is a condition which always supersedes racial prejudice. That condition is called Celebrity. Ever heard of a guy named Michael Jackson? Was he lynched when children began to accuse him of rape?

            That guy Bill Cosby has had lots of celebrity for a very long time. So much so that when victims do present evidence (like the Polaroids Janice Dickenson took of Cosby in his robe) people get angry and insist that there is “no evidence”.

            Why do you suppose that close to 30 women have made these accusations against Cosby? Don’t say money because they haven’t been paid. Would any number of victims serve to convince you that Cosby is guilty? Or? Do you just not trust Women in general?

        • howwedoit

          Bill wasn’t just another black man, he was the “chosen” black man with powerful connections in hollywood (jewish). So powerful that he could get away with raping even white women back than. Even Kobe Bryant’s accuser was made out to be a liar and recant her story of rape against him.

        • r m reddicks

          That’s just ridiculous. You’re sense of history is distorted. Money talks. Power talks. Race is a tactic.

        • Tlaxcalli

          None of these women have displayed any signs of racism. Why would any of them be coming from the perspective that they would win a rape case against a very famous and wealthy Bill Cosby merely because they were white?

          • Simon666

            They could have from that perspective back then. To say they felt “powerless” is ridiculous and sexist frankly, it plays into the idea that women are weaker.

      • KNC

        Cosby admitted to several long term and short affairs during his marriage and while honing his love able father image. He had to deceive his wife, his children, his business associates and fans to carry on multiple affairs. That type of betrayal requires a level of duplicity and deception usually reserved for sociopaths and schizophrenics. Add to that the arrogance that comes with fame, money and power and it’s no wonder he got away with it for so long. I also wonder if all the victims are white women? That may speak to a power issue as well.

        With regards to Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson and whoever else, they are different cases with a different set of facts and circumstances. They are not exactly comparable.

        • Pavoine99

          I don’t think leading a double life is in any way correlated with schizophrenia; if anything a severe schizophrenic would be too organized. Not to mention, non-sociopaths can also be serial adulterers. But you’re right about the “love-able” image-the people who actively cultivate a reputation for goodness are often the ones you need to watch out for.

          • Pavonine99

            Whoops, should be “disorganized” up there. My bad.

          • Donna Johnson

            There is a difference between love and sex…affairs generally only involve sex and there is often a missing quality in the marriage that allows affairs to occur or the person has a low moral sense of living. Cosby’s wife knew about part of it so I’m sure others did, too. That doesn’t involve sociopathetic or schizophrenic illness…it’s a low moral standard and many are guilty of the same actions.

        • Semi

          No there are several accusers who are light skinned black women.

          And yes at the very least he’s admitted to affairs and such. He has not denied knowing or having sex with any of the women that I know of. So those who are defending him, I wonder why.

    • EbonyPeace

      You’ve watched way too many crime dramas. Nobody was thinking of DNA-assisted investigations back then! And you seem to think that the methods for investigating rapes today is the same as what existed decades ago. If you’ve read other accounts of the alleged assaults, the women reported the contact with Cosby to agents, managers, etc., but their complaints were ignored. Knowledge of genetic and forensic testing wasn’t prevalent back then, and even if it were, sometimes rape victims are too shaken up to have the presence of mind that says: “Lemme document what happened by walking into a police station with Bill’s DNA “on me.”

      These incidents weren’t filmed for “I Spy.” They were real-life incidents in a time when men could get away with raping women because people like you sided with the men automatically. People dragged the victims through the mud so badly that they did’t want to come forward.

      Cosby has been real piece of work for a long time. Now his dirty deeds are coming to light once again.

      • Semi

        Not only the methods but the public awareness. Acquaintance rape was not something people understood until at least the late 1980s and even then people had to discuss it a lot. Now the rape deniers have moved on to saying things like “it’s just drunken regret sex,” if a date or acquaintance rape accusation is made.

        Back then, no one would’ve believed a Playboy bunny or even a ‘single career girl’ as they were called (secretary etc.) if she told on her boss, or especially a movie star.

        I have to think the people who still refuse to believe the women at this point are either die hard Cosby fans, or conspiracy theorists, or paid shills.

    • Colleen

      yeah and Robin Williams was a happy person!!! 15 women are out to assassinate his character? no one was going to believe them and they knew it.

    • Wallace Boss

      You call this article character assassination, and yet call him a hero? Saying so uses as much hyperbole as you claim the author used.

    • Semi

      Because April maybe you need to get a history lesson. There were no support systems in place back in the day. DNA rape kits were not heard of. Even today hundreds of thousands sit untested. There was no concept of date rape back in the day. 911 was not nationwide until the late 1980s or so.

      Rape victims were not taken to the hospital for a rape screening until at least the late 1970s and that was not universal.

      Spousal rape was not a law until 1996 I think.

      So you had a culture in which rape was not understood. People were grilled and not believed. Much like many are doing today. They want to ask the victim 100 things about why they did or did not do this or that. But not the accused. The accused is just a man being a man, right? (Sarcasm.)

      Plus the victim is in shock, traumatized and feels shame. They ask themselves why they didn’t protect themselves better, and all the questions society would ask them. The victim is the last one to be helped. It’s the only crime in which people try to blame the victim.

      Do you really think there was DNA back in the 1960s and 1970s and even 1980s? Wish you had thought about that more. Sorry but your hero has clay feet.

  • Anti-Rapist

    The Truth will set him free.

    • http://pixygiggles.wordpress.com/ @pixygiggles

      Or condemn him.

    • kt

      Good luck w/ that…,yes the truth is coming out, but not to his advantage he is scum & his wife is a fool, plain & simple!

  • Greg Benson

    If what is alleged of Bill Cosby…we will never know the whole truth. Bill is an insitution and there is no words that will dethrone this man, public preception is everything…but in this case it doesn’t hold water. Bill is literally a cash cow, corporate America will not allow Bill to fail them…end of story.

    • Andy

      In what sense is Cosby a cash cow today? What stake does “corporate America” have in Cosby in 2014? His most recent film was the 2004 flop “Fat Albert,” which lost millions.
      His value as a brand spokesman, which was huge in the 80s & 90s, is currently nil. He hasn’t had a hit TV show this century. Why would “corporate America” not allow Bill to fail? Cosby’s fame and influence when some of these alleged incidents took place protected him (which is why some of these women didn’t come forward then, before the statute of limitations had run out).
      But now, if he is guilty of even one of these crimes, what incentive would corporations have to protect Cosby?

    • DougHill25

      Greg Benson, you do your argument no favors by misusing the word “literally.” In any event I disagree that corporate America will stand by Cosby for profit’s sake. Time and again we’ve seen corporate America run from celebrities at the slightest whiff of scandal, lest the brand be tainted. That NBC and Netflix have already bailed on Cosby’s comeback suggests nothing is different here.

      • Elizabeth

        Indeed, they will bail on him to cover their own butts, regardless of whether that is justified or not. They will bail on him not because they give a damn about the victims, or because they are concerned about justice. They bail because it is a popular thing to do, sort of like fifth grade. After all these allegations aren’t new, and they were willing to work with him before.

        The saddest thing is that the victims, if they are real victims, probably think they are being supported. They are not. Those corporations still don’t care about them.

        • Semi

          Which corporations do not care about who? What a toxic thing to say Elizabeth. Very mind game of you.

    • Saturned

      This case doesn’t hold water? Which case? Andrea Constand’s civil suit against Cosby in which 13 witnesses took the stand? You don’t think that case holds water? Then why did Cosby pay her a settlement?

      Mijo, corporate America IS allowing this pervert to fail. All his contracts at NBC were just cancelled. Truth is a great way to dethrone rapists.

  • Alice

    This article is super messed up … the writer is a friggin idiot.

  • http://www.impactbooksandart.com/ Sara Niles

    KUDOS to Robert Huber! this is a well researched and developed story about Bill Cosby, and the secrets that made him-it is also a tasteful reconstruction of the charges made against him in the context of his public and private personalities

  • PsychNP

    The common denominator in this discussion is personal boundaries. Our society is deficient in educating people about maintaining healthy personal boundaries. May I suggest a read? Without Conscience by Robert D.Hare PhD will answer some of your questions about Bill, Clinton, Jackson, and other effective boundary violators.

    • Pavonine99

      Don’t know about Jackson being a psychopath (pedophilia and psychopathy are seperate things, and given Jackson’s introversion and neuroticism, psychopathy seems highly unlikely in his case) but yes, Without Conscience is a must-read. It explains a great many people’s behavior, and possibly Cosby’s as well.

    • Elizabeth

      The common denominator is people being all too willing to believe accusations with no evidence.

      • Saturned

        The common denominator is our Culture of Silence and hatred of women.

      • beentherendonethat

        The common denominator is idiots like YOU Elizabeth who fail to see what is right in front of their eyes. I would love to put you in a room with Cosby for a night.

        • Donna Johnson

          What is your purpose with all the insults and now suggestions? You really have no right to do either…maybe you were left out of Cosby’s group of women?

  • R

    If you are rape why would you not go to the police they could get DNA and prove if it’s true why wait

    • Saturned

      These women didn’t wait. Cosby’s rapes are reported on time and time again and everyone forgets. Check out this article from 2006.

      P.S. DNA doesn’t stay on a victim’s body forever. One shower and it is all gone. Who waited?

      http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/05/-this-is-how-we-lost-to-the-white-man/306774/4/

      • Elizabeth

        –actually NOT one of them ever made a police report except Constand and she went to Canadian police a year after the alleged incident. That “his rapes are reported time & again” as you said, is in the news, and has nothing to with police reports.

        • Saturned

          My sentence was unclear. I meant to say that news of Cosby’s sexual assaults have been reported on repeatedly.

          And there are many reasons why victims do not immediately go to the police. Fear is a huge reason.

          Here are TWO women who made police reports and a THIRD who told an attorney:

          ‘January 2004: Andrea Constand, the director of operations for the women’s basketball program at Cosby’s alma mater Temple University, claims the star drugged and sexually assaulted her in his Philadelphia-area mansion.

          Jan. 13, 2005: Constand goes to the authorities with her story alleging that Cosby, who did a stand-up routine about drugging women’s drinks in 1969, invited her to his home, gave her three blue pills to combat a bout of stress she was having, and, after she became dizzy, began “touching her breast and placing her hand on his penis,” according to the police report. She woke up to find her bra unhooked and her clothes in disarray. Cosby’s attorney dubs the charges “utterly preposterous” and “plainly bizarre.”

          Nov. 2006: Cosby settles the civil suit with Constand before she or any of the 13 Jane Does testify. Soon after, Barbara Bowman, who would have been a witness, comes forward to Philadelphiamagazine. She said that as an 18-year-old model and aspiring actress in 1985, she met Cosby through her agent and he became her mentor. A year later, he assaulted her in a Reno hotel room. “I was screaming and crying and yelling and begging him to stop,” she said. She later told a lawyer, who laughed at her. ‘

          ‘Feb. 10, 2005: Tamara Green, a California attorney, appears on the Today show and says that Cosby drugged and groped her in the 1970s. Then an aspiring model, she met him through a friend. Over lunch, he gave her what he said was a Contact pill because she was suffering a cold. She started to feel worse and dizzy, so he helped her back to her apartment — and started removing her clothes. However, she put up a fight and Cosby ultimately left, leaving two $100 bills on her coffee table. She said she was finally going public with her story because the district attorney in Constand’s case criticized her for waiting too long before reporting the assault. “It was at that time I decided that if there were only two us, one a long time ago and one right now, then that’s two too many,” she said. Cosby’s rep said that he had never heard of Green and called the allegations “absolutely false.”

          Feb. 22, 2005: The district attorney decides not to press criminal charges against Cosby, citing”insufficient credible and admissible evidence.”‘

        • Semi

          Lachele Covington also reported to police in 2000. That’s two that we know of. But most rape victims never report. And I’d say most victims are not raped by someone who is world famous, wealthy, and powerful. You sure are arguing against the women for someone who says they are a rape victim themselves – why would you do that? What if you are mistaken? If there’s even a 10 percent chance in your mind they are telling the truth then what are you trying to do?

    • Saturned

      Fear of being disbelieved? Fear of being physically harmed by Cosby or someone who works for him? Fear of having one’s personal life scrutinized by the world? Disorientation? Shame? Self-Blame? Fear of being hated by Cosby and all of his supporters? Stockholm Syndrome?

      I guess you’ve never been raped R but one’s first instinct is to take a shower after such a tragic violation. DNA hasn’t always been collectable and DNA doesn’t stay on a victim’s body after a shower.

  • scibby

    Only GOD and Mr Cosby know the truth..

    • Saturned

      Wrong. The victim he paid a settlement to knows the truth as well.

  • OldSchoolSoul

    June 9, 2006

  • Elizabeth

    Mr. Huber I congratulate you on a fine article which still holds up 8 years later. I am afraid that many pieces being written now in 2014 will not hold up as well. Nor I am impressed by most of the recent commenters, many of whom are doing a great job freaking out over this with actually understanding the facts. Here’s the basic rundown:

    Andrea Constand from Temple University has a relationship of some sort with Cosby starting in 2002. Later she leaves her job & moves to Canada to start a career as a massage therapist. In Jan 2005 she files a report with Canadian police saying that one year earlier in Jan 2004, Cosby assaulted her.

    Canada refers the case to Pennsylvania. Constand’s story gets reported in the news. In Feb, Tamara Green, a California lawyer (who was suspended by the Cal State Bar due to client mismanagement resulting from mental health issues) sees the news reports and comes in support of Constand. The Pennsylvania DA declines to prosecute for lack of evidence.

    Constand then files a civil suit in March 2005, and THIS is when the 13 Jane Does first show up publicly. It is necessary to question yourself whether “all these similar stories” are truly independent or if these Jane Does are just possibly very well-read.

    It is also instructive to recall to that at this very time, in March 2005, Michael Jackson was on trial for his life. Everyone was freaking out, & Nancy Grace predicting that Jackson was going down. I think you need to ask yourself whether it might have been an opportune time to sue a celebrity.

    Beth Ferrer, one of the Jane Does, admitted that she had a six-month long consensual relationship with Cosby. She sold her story to the National Enquirer for $7500. Barbara Bowman, the Doe who wrote the WaPo piece, admits that Cosby paid for her NY apartment, and actually said: “I knew something was wrong but…he was my pot of gold and I needed to take good care of it.” People magazine said: “Two … women allowed Cosby to pay part or all of their travel and/or living expenses for some time. Three accepted cash from him years after the incidents, and two even went on to have consensual relationships with him.”

    The first time it happens, you can call it rape. But the second and third and fourth? When he is paying your bills? That’s a financial transaction. You can’t continue going back and going back and hoping to benefit your career, and still call it rape. You’re his mistress. And maybe you were young & didn’t really understand that. But Bowman’s story in particular reads more like she is mad at herself for being a kept woman & not walking away. That was always an option. It just required some dignity & courage. I call bullshit on the idea that it’s rape if your own behavior gives him every reason to believe he has an ongoing arrangement with you. Women can’t have this both ways, sorry.

    I’m not defending Cosby here so much as I am convicting the American public for going into full freak out mode and condemning the man without considering, or even knowing, the facts, which includes at minimum the witness’ timing, veracity, and admitted motivations.

    • Wallace Boss

      He is said to have played them with drugs. That part of it overrides consent.

      • TerriK

        No one forced those women to take drugs. They don’t say he forced them to take the pills. I find it interesting since Cosby is an attractive man and with celebrity status that these women wouldn’t want to spend an evening with him anywhere voluntarily. I would have back in the 80’s as Cosby is 20 years older than me. I don’ t see it as rape, just women who didn’t get to snag him for their own as he decided to stay with his wife.

        • Wallace Boss

          You are being a real apologist. We can’t say for certain what happened, but you see no possibility of truth in these allegations and are mindlessly blaming the young, impressionable women, to a fault.

          • Elizabeth

            No, I am a rape victim myself. And I’m not saying that there is no possibility of truth to the allegations. In some of these cases the women went back over and over after the “rape” because they wanted to benefit monetarily. That sir becomes prostitution at a point.

          • Getwiththeprogram

            The fact that a rape victim may have questionable morals doesn’t mean the rapist didn’t commit the crime. Rape is rape.

          • Razerzpeed

            No, but it means you can’t trust their word.

          • wessexmom

            I doubt you would feel comfortable speaking on behalf of these women if you were truly a victim of rape. One thing IS clear, he’s a woman hating creep, regardless of the details.

          • Semi

            If you were a rape victim and you are accusing other women who say they were raped of ‘prostitution’ you need some counseling stat.

          • Resa1107

            She is speaking the truth….These ratchet old ass bitties….wanted fame. Now I hear them constantly say he offers drink..With alcohol. Who would trust anyone who tells them that?. Only victims here is Mr. COSBY! ALL allegations….These women are bitter….Don’t meet up, and go to the freakin Police. Gosh the media is powerful. Or the world is gullible…

          • C Lo

            What these women wanted was an opportunity to reach their career aspirations. Aspirations for which he offered to support. He put that notion in their head, not the other way around.

            Last time I checked there is nothing wrong with receiving mentorship from someone; but the issue here is he preyed on vulnerability and used his celebrity (and in some cases money) to gain access to them (even their parents in some cases). You sound caught up in his celebrity as well. So if anyone is gullible it is you.

          • SpaceJools

            Exactly

          • beentherendonethat

            I can’t even read your ridiculous comments without wanting to grab you through my computer screen. You are NOT a rape victim or you wouldn’t speak so ignorantly with no knowledge of what Bill Cosby did to these women. They deserve the benefit of telling their stories and Madam,. it is absolutely NO coincidence that ALL TELL THE SAME DAMN STORY. Elizabeth, you are an embarrassment to women. God help you.

          • Donna Johnson

            See, what you don’t seem to get is that others of us have “been there n done that” just referring to sexual relationships and it covers both sides of the sex angle. Rape is tragic and a crime, but when there’s money involved, it changes the aspect a little.

          • chris ericksen

            Hi, Donna-

            You are speaking from your own experience; I understand that. But the15-year-old black young lady (Renita Hill) was not a “druggie”, nor did she drink; Cosby promised to mentor her but acted exactly as pedophile would, grooming her, telling her he’d be a second father to her, help her with her acting; he not only plied her with alcohol, when she said she would like to come to his suite but didn’t want to drink, he told her that if she didn’t drink she couldn’t come. She didn’t want sex- she wanted acting lessons or the conversation of her “mentor”. It was when she was looking back on the several years’ relationship (she became his co-host on a documentary series in PA) she remembered this from her high school days.

            Donna, several of these women had no intention of a sexual relationship; he spiked their drinks- even one young woman’s ginger ale. Who knows? Perhaps a few might have agreed to this later, but they never got a chance to “volunteer” before he struck.

            But, Donna, please google “the former basketball player that brought down bill cosby”; it is Andrea Constand, the then- manager of women’s athletics at Temple University who is responsible for what is happening now. Without her, Cosby would be going his merry way. She brought criminal charges against him in 2004 in PA, but even though Bruce Castor, the prosecutor, believed Cosby was guilty he didn’t have the evidence necessary to go forward in charging him. Castor said in an interview I watched, that the detectives who questioned Cosby had found him “mumbledy” and “evasive”.

            I think you will find this story quite eye-opening. A number of the “alleged” victims who are coming forth now, were also part of the 13 original volunteers for Constand. !2 were “jane does”; only one volunteered her identity at the time.

            Constand’s case was WAY after every one of these women’s allegations: THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS HAD EXPIRED A DECADE OR MORE for all of them so none of them could sue, FINALLY they could have some validation.

            It is a myth that none of the victims told anyone; it is also incorrect that most of them accused Cosby of rape; most were drugged and either molested or there was a serious attempt that was thwarted.There were some other varied charges.

            Re rape however- Cosby violently attacked Barbara Bowman- this motivation was pure rage; he had never been violent with her before, but this time- at what would be the end of their association- he fumed at her because he said that her indiscretion had caused that the hotel in which they were staying now knew he had a 19-year-old girl in his suite. Read her full story. She said she can still hear the sound of his belt buckle as he tried to remove his pants while trying to remove her underwear at the same time. She was screaming and crying- he finally gave up in frustration, and called her a baby.
            Read the story.

            Donna, Andrea Constand’s story broke in the Enquirer- which led to Beth Ferrier’s coming forward with her own story; she had passed a polygraph test quite handily. The Enquirer notified Cosby they were about to publish this- you’ll find this in the article about Andrea Constand I told you about.

            Most of these women had their drinks spiked; are you aware Cosby had a standup routine about Spanish Fly and spiking women’s drinks with it back in 1969, had included it in one of his albums, as well, and had talked about this on the Larry King show in 1991?

            Donna, he vetted his victims; when they were flattered that he had any interest in their life stories, he was really trying to find out whether or not they had some support system that could give him problems. Drug users, alcoholics, young girls without fathers or bad home lives- all were perfect prey; they wouldn’t be credible with any charges they might bring against a powerful star like Cosby- or maybe about any other man, either.

            Katherine McKee had been Sammy Davis Jr’s “road wife” for years (Sammy had an “open marriage”); he was a buddy of Cosby’s. McKee had known Cosby for around 8 years when one day he asked her to come to his suite with some ribs. When he opened the door, as she started to come in he grabbed her, spun her around- and raped her on the spot; she was so stunned she did nothing to stop him; it was over almost before it started you might say. Later on that evening Cosby and Davis were together and Cosby gave her a cold stare when she entered the room; do read her story.

            All the short blurbs do nothing to flesh out the drama of the happenings; they are actually counter-productive because they make the women seem as if each is copying from previous stories.

            The 13 original witness volunteers for Andrea Constand gave their depositions- with none of them knowing any details of the others’ recountings; they were remarkably similar- showing clearly the “habitual behavior” – Cosby’s MO; this is considered evidence and in his case it would have been very strong evidence. Cosby settled with Constand suddenly after 2 years when he found out that Barbara Bowman was on her way to a TV interview; now there would be Beth Ferrier (polygraph passed), Barbara Bowman, and, of course Andrea. He would have been burnt toast had he not. Barbara Bowman was actually on the plane on the way to the interview when she found out the case had been settled.

            13 witnesses all left high-and-dry- no more case, no getting Cosby on the stand. Not blaming Constand, however; she knew they couldn’t sue him anyway, because of the Statute’s having run and maybe she also thought she’d saved them the humiliation they would have endured in the trial; look at the attitude of many here; THIS is the reason most women do not report rape.

            Anyway, see what you think; the court papers are included in that article. But there is a lot more that wasn’t said there.

            One other thing: why Cosby would drug women when he certainly wasn’t suffering from a lack of women admirers:
            he wasn’t merely after sex- he wanted POWER- COMPLETE CONTROL of the woman- the woman’s body; someone who has sex or molests an unconscious person is called a somnophiliac; a necrophiliac has sex with dead bodies; it is the ultimate control (don’t think that would be Cosby’s thing).

            BTW, a few of the druggings happened because the women complained of feeling ill or stressed and Cosby, who seems to have always carried an ample supply of disparate drugs with him, would offer them something; they trusted him- and accepted the drug. Andrea Constand had come to his place in PA (she’d been there several times before- dinner parties or just dinner with him; she was 30, he 66- and he’d been mentoring her about her thinking of a possible career change; that night she had told him she was feeling stressed because of having to make a decision; he then offered her 3 pills he said were an herbal remedy for stress (this he admitted in a sworn deposition- said he’d given her allergy pills- yeah-right).

            Victoria Valentino had just lost her 7-year-old son to drowning; she was feeling depressed and so Cosby offered her a drug to make her feel better, he said. It seems he took one as well, as did a friend of hers. Evidently what he took was different because when he took the two women to a small room with 2 love seats and a non-working phone, Victoria saw that her friend was passed out and that Cosby was “read” (I tend towards euphemisms :o) ) and Victoria, who was dazed and nauseous by that time, tried to direct his attention away from her friend, as she saw what he was about to do; he then raped Victoria. When she asked him how she was going to get home, he coldly told her to get a taxi.

        • Beatrice

          Sometimes he lied to them about what it was, and sometimes he mixed it in their drinks. They already DID choose to spend time with them. Some knew him for quite a while. They trusted him, and he abused that trust by giving them knock out pills in order to rape them. That is 100% rape. There is not other definition of that.

        • Elizabeth

          In some of the cases that’s a real possibility.

          • wessexmom

            How in the hell would you know?
            What’s far more likely is that you are a plant whose real name is not Elizabeth.

          • Semi

            Every time one of those victim blaming posts pops up it seems to begin “hello my name is (female name here) I am a female! and I was raped! did I say I am female? anyway these women are (insert misogynist rant here.)”

            I read that stuff and picture a middle aged or older, creeper behind the keyboard. Not a female rape victim. If she were that far in denial about what rape is, she wouldn’t also be declaring herself a victim in the first breath.

          • Elizabeth

            You have a fertile imagination, but you are incorrect.

        • Wallace Boss

          According to the allegations, he patently drugged them without their awareness of what was being offered ‘something herbal’ or Contac. Or often hidden in the drink itself. Yes, in most of these allegations, it seems they were unwittingly drugged.

        • luckyoldsun

          So why are so many women accusing Cosby?
          No one’s accusing, say, Alan Alda. Or Henry Winkler. Yeah, I know, you can say that they’re piling on.
          But do you think if one woman accused Alda…or Winkler…or Ron Howard…that 15 more would follow?
          Seems to me like there’s something there.

          • Gregori118

            Because white women accusing a black man of raping them is an American tradition that goes back hundreds of years. Offtimes, the accusation is used to cover up an illicit affair, to preserve her reputation. She knows the public will react viscerally, emotionally as well as irrationally. Usually the accused is murdered, i.e. lynched. This is why I find it particularly troubling that this black man could “get away” with raping so many young white women. Really? They told noone for fear of not being believed? Again, really? That excuse is believable for maybe a handful of victims..but over 30? Statistically, it sounds far fetched. There’s another element at work here besides “he drugged me and I woke up feeling raped”. Oh, and if it seems like I’m not on board with the lynch mob…that DOES NOT mean I’m a misogynist or rape apologist. The way some of you women out there jump on anyone who uses the words: due process, evidence, witnesses or statute of limitations, is deplorable. The personal attacks make you look shrill, emotionally unbalanced and incapable of critical analysis of this case. It’s obvious Mr Cosby had an ulterior motive for getting involved with these women, but to think all 30+ just wanted mentorship is naive to the point of absurdity.

          • chris ericksen

            Uh, Gregori- are you not aware several accusing him are black?
            And Andrea Constand- the one who went to the police and brought suit against him is black.

            Oh, and the PA prosecutor who questioned Cosby said he knew something had happened, that he was sure Cosby was lying and he found him evasive.

          • You Know It’s True

            They weren’t all white idiot… try again.

            Sincerely,
            A Black Man

          • chris ericksen

            Or Peter Falk, or Robert Young,,,

        • ballerina60

          terriK: you don’t see it as rape because it didn’t happen to you. or your sister. or your daughter.

        • Getwiththeprogram

          You’re right, Cosby could have been with any woman, but he’s a rapist, you see. He likes disarming women with drugs and having sex with unconscious women . . . because he’s a rapist. It’s quite possible that he’s such a pathetically sick man that he can only get an erection when he’s raping a woman who’s passed out.

          • Semi

            No one can be with everyone. Almost none of the accusers say they wanted to get with him. The few who saw him again it was either work related or they felt intimidated or some of both.

          • Gregori118

            Or they needed more money or help with their careers

          • chris ericksen

            Gregori- you’re right; there’s a statute actually that says it’s appropriate to rape a woman if she wants you to help her get ahead or accepts money from you afterwards; it’s named after its author- Gregori 666.

          • Razerzpeed

            These girls werent that naive….. I hate when people perpatrate the mytth that women are so sweet and innocent and never know what’s going on. Women learn at a young age how to take advantage of a man…. I have a six-year old stepdaughter and when she want something and I say no she pokes out her bottom lip and makes her eyes real big and looks sad and I just cant refuse.

        • Semi

          So what if you find him irresistible physically doesn’t mean they did. Some say they were 14, 15, when it began. You are going way out of your way to blame the accusers. I really don’t think the women who saw him one time and say they are still traumatized because he allegedly raped them, were trying to ‘snag him from his wife.’ Lol. Wow you really have a crush on old Bill huh?

          As for the pills sometimes they just had water, beverage, or soup; some say they were told it was cold medicine.

          • Gregori118

            Actually, only one claimed to be 15 at the time and she went with him to the playboy mansion where the alleged assault occurred. Then again you have to ask yourself: Even though she was 15, what did she think went on there? Hugh Hefner having storytime with a bunch of nuns?? Nudity, drugs, alcohol and sex. Period! I’m really getting sick of the naievete excuse. Some of these women had extended relationships with the man and accepted money from him. Even the one in question here tried to sell her story to the national enquirer. Many of these women have credibility issues and are hiding behind the “don’t blame the victim” shield.

          • Semi

            So you blame the child for being taken to the Playboy Mansion (where she had photos of her with Cosby on the grounds so it is not a claim), not the adult married man who took her there? Interesting who you align with.

            It doesn’t matter what others did there, and by the way it usually was just a place people watched movies and socialized according to Barbi Benton who lived there over a decade. Hefner also raised his children there.

            Your theory seems to be that if people ever had sex at a location then it’s OK to rape a 15 year old child there.

          • Saturned

            So, that 15-year-old should have assumed that being at the Playboy mansion means she has to be raped? Is that what happens at the Playboy Mansion? I’m not doubting you but, is rape legal to commit at the Playboy Mansion?

            You think anyone who does not expect to be raped is naive? Or, it is naive to think that women have human rights when they are at the Playboy Mansion?

            Who is hiding mijo? Every single rape accuser is being bashed by the media and good folks like yourself.

          • chris ericksen

            Gregori- ho old are you, anyway? that a 15-year-old and her 16-year-old friend would first be plied with beer by him and then taken to the Mansion? You don’t think they’d be excited to go there? And you think they knew everything that went on there? I am 75 and lived in LA and didn’t even know about the Mansion- just the Playboy Club where my then-fiance was a busboy while he was getting his BA.

            Do you have any idea how young 15 is? And are you one that blames a child when a pedophile molests him or her? (not talking about Cosby). The minor is NEVER held responsible for the crime of the adult. And, btw, Judy Huth has a photo of Cosby and her together taken that day. Know what the wonderful Cosby did? He had the two girls play the “drinking game” with him– every time he’d win at billiards against each the girl was given a beer. Ever see the Cosby episode when Huxtable’s daughter “Vanessa” engages in this and the TV parents’ treatment of the situation? Makes one want to regurgitate.

        • libby

          Way to victim blame Terri. Since when does being drugged into a stupor constitute consent to sex? It doesn’t. Even if you willingly take said pill from your rapist. That does not give the rapist the right to do whatever the heck he wants with your comatose body. Wasn’t that made abundently clear in the Stubenville case where that teen girl was passed around like some plastic blowup sex doll while she was literally passed out?

        • Julian Castor

          Well, someone here has a big crush on Bill Cosby. Isn’t that cute?

          • chris ericksen

            Julian- are you related to Bruce Castor, the prosecutor who was assigned to the Andrea Constand case? I saw his interview when he said the detectives who had questioned Cosby had found him “mumbledy” and “evasive”; Castor said he believed that Cosby was guilty but there wasn’t the evidence there to bring charges.

        • chris ericksen

          Terri, he even drugged (at least) 1 woman during the time she was in a consensual sexual relationship with him: it was all about complete POWER over the woman; look up “somnophilia”. An unconscious woman gives him that power.

        • You Know It’s True

          Another blame the victim scenario. You are the epitome of rape culture. Giving your logic, any woman that falls asleep is good to go? What if they took a benadryl? Is it OK to have sex with them because they took a benadryl? The key word is “consent”. Passed out people can’t give it. It’s not that complex to grasp. But I guess, as long as someone is handsome and rich… rape is OK. Got it.

      • Elizabeth

        Yes that is true, but if you are not under the influence when you return time and again in hopes of financial gain, it’s changes the equation somewhat, don’t you think.

        • beentherendonethat

          NOBODY returned time and time again. Stop making up crap Elizabeth and go away you moron.

          • Gregori118

            Actually they did. Some even had lengthy relationships with him. Constand, for one. Beverly Johnson returned soon after the incident to hang out with him also. So who’s the moron now?

          • chris ericksen

            gregori- you are mixed up about Constand- she never came back to him after his molesting her; the multiple instances they were together were not sexual by any means and were previous to his attacking her.

          • chris ericksen

            beenthere- actually a few did come back to him– they explain in their recountings. And some thought that it just “came with the territory”;that this was the price they had to pay for his help. My uncle was a famous Hollywood producer back in the late 30’s to early 60’s; Virtually my whole family on both sides were in show business; I know what goes on there– and how emotionally-scarred so many actors and actresses are.

          • chris ericksen

            beentheredonethat- actually a few did continue a relationship- or return later: we have to remember that 17-19 year-olds- and even others, who have been molested or raped as children, or who grew up without fathers, etc would be ideal prey for the man who told them he’d mentor them,. be like a “second father” to them- to trust them. He actually used the modus operandi of a pedophile on them; as he was molesting Barbara Bowman, for instance (who hated it) he would tell her to trust him. People just don’t understand.

            And yes, a few returned or continued seeing him because of hopes that he would keep his promise of helping them to advance their careers.

            DId you read about one of the women’s recounting that she awakened from the drugging with Cosby’s clapping his hands twice saying “Daddy says “Wake up”? She slipped back into unconsciousness and he repeated this.

            Cosby is a sociopath most likely- and a sick predator as well.
            Sociopaths aren’t mentally ill just by being sociopaths- but many become so. His need to completely dominate a woman- and control her body- is the reason for the drugging; he had no problems getting consensual sex from women.
            Evidence for this is that a couple of the women tell about being drugged even during a consensual relationship with him.

            He lured a few women into his hotel suite by saying he had a gift for them up there; one was told there was an agent who was waiting. Actually in that case one actually was there- obviously one who knew all about what he was doing; when the agent left he drugged and either molested or raped her.

        • chris ericksen

          NO- whatever happens afterwards does NOT excuse rape retroactively! Are you aware that when one of these women told her mother what he’d done to her the mother’s answer was that she should call him and ask him to take care of her? (she did and he did for several weeks)Are you aware of what stage mothers are like? Do you know anything about Judy Garland’s “mother”/ A lot of these women had less-than ideal childhoods, it seems, to put it mildly.

          It’s not OK to rape a prostitute, either. RAPE IS RAPE IS RAPE for corn’s sakes!!

        • You Know It’s True

          No I don’t think that.I think he’s still a rapist. They could all be prostitutes and he would still be a rapist. They could all be gold diggers and he would still be a rapist. I don’t think it’s OK to rape people. Go watch an adult film and jerk it if you need to, but in the real world… keep your hands to yourself.

          Why is that such a hard concept?

        • chris ericksen

          Guest-you have no idea of the psychology that occasions this. Read each one of these women’s stories- the full versions. You do not understand- period.

          Even if these women would have returned for financial gain it would have NOTHING to do with Cosby’s initial drugging and rape/molestation,.

          Had he drugged and raped a prostitute when she was unconscious, that, too would be rape.

      • Donna Johnson

        Did you mean “plied” them with drugs? It seems that all of these “women” could have made a decision to both not be with him or to take any drugs he offered them. Drugs always end up as a reason or an excuse that something happened but it takes two.

        • chris ericksen

          Gad, Donna- try to get a bit of knowledge about them and what happened before you post?

          • Donna Johnson

            What knowledge and what happened? I have no idea what you’re referring to due to the fact that I was drawing on my own experiences in life. Been there, done that…..whatever!

    • Kevin

      Umm… rape is rape. You can’t possibly consent to something after the fact, so anything else is irrelevant. While it would work in some other countries like Pakistan, you can’t kill someone and have the victim’s family “forgive” you after a payment. Our justice system just doesn’t work that way.

      • Elizabeth

        Of course not. But volunteering to go back into the situation over & over because you hope to benefit your career, calls the victim story into question.

        Critical thinking is needed.

        • David

          Hey u

        • zigthenzag

          yes, one or two of the women went back “over and over.” But not all 18. As you say, critical thinking is needed.

          • chris ericksen

            Of course, now it’s around 30…

        • wessexmom

          So, using your line of reason, why did Cosby drug these women before having sex with them? If it was so advantageous for them, financially and otherwise, to have an ongoing fling with him, then why was it necessary for him to ply them with drugs in the first place?

        • Semi

          Yes and I wish you would use some, Elizabeth.

        • Semi

          So how about Constand, or some of the others who never saw him again and wanted nothing to do with him or whose ‘career’ could never benefit from his influence.

          Ignoring those aren’t you.

          • Elizabeth

            No I am not ignoring those. I am not going to paint them all with the same brush. I said some of the cases.

          • beentherendonethat

            IDIOT ELIZABETH…..AGAIN! GO AWAY!

          • You Know It’s True

            Why are you so concerned with some of the cases? Bill was in all of the cases and I don’t see you scrutinizing him. If only one of the cases is true then it doesn’t matter… he’s a rapist.

        • beentherendonethat

          Shut up!! You are a liar and an uneducated piece of garbage Elizabeth.

          • Donna Johnson

            So someone has disagreed with you…I happen to agree with her. Consequently, I’m “a liar and an uneducated piece of garbage”, right? Or just maybe we both have seen what some women do and realize that not everything that is said is the truth for whatever reason.

        • chris ericksen

          Sorry, Guest- it might seem weird, but it’s honest. And many who are molested in childhood and teens continue in a relationship. I also added above that many who attempt to break into the entertainment industry are prepared for the “casting couch”; many either blocked what had happened or felt that extreme as it was, Cosby’s help could be worth it. Those of us who come to these blogs do not have their background or show business ambitions and it can be hard to put ourselves in their place. Also, you can bet that many of them were childhood victims of sexual abuse.

    • zigthenzag

      Your points are well-made, and your post is well written. What you say has merit in the cases of the women who did choose to have a relationship with Mr, Cosby. But even in their cases, the drugs overrode consent.

      But in many cases, the women didn’t have ongoing relationships — weren’t his mistresses. They were mentees, or would-be mentees, who he drugged, and had his way with, while they were unconscious.

      Unless all 18 women are lying, of course.

    • Colin Miller

      Interesting that no known ‘date rape’ drug comes in such different forms (red and grey pills, blue pills, etc.) and acts so differently: some women claim to have been completely amnestic, one reports having felt ‘great’ for while and then ten minutes later was knocked out, some describe something different still. All by a man who says he’s never had more than a few drinks in his life and never used drugs – maybe he learned all this as Dr. Huxtable? Or perhaps the plaintiffs should have studied more pharmacology before making their statements, since most of them who have provided details are describing symptoms that are pharmacokinetically unlikely, if not impossible?

      Beyond the above, the article is written with a glaring bias and numerous omissions, as noted above.

      • wessexmom

        Well, here’s the glaring omission in YOUR analysis: Cosby did a comic bit early in his career about using “Spanish fly” to drug women in order to get them to have sex. Listening to the recording, it’s obvious how titillated and excited he is by the notion.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LAorIG6MZnc

        • Colin Miller

          He’s also talked about drinking and doing cocaine in his comedy routines, yet he’s done neither of those. All sorts of comics have used situations and activities in their routines that they have not personally experienced. It is ridiculous to suggest that a part of a standup routine is also part of the comedian’s life. One does not equal the other. Are you always so literal?
          There was no omission, sorry to report. A simple Google search will tell you that “Spanish Fly” is a reputed aphrodisiac. The chemical cantharidin has no soporofic, anaesthetic or amnestic effects. If anything, it may be a mild stimulant. It would not produce any of the symptoms described by the author above or the women in their stories.

          • Nicole

            Collin – Clinton said he didn’t inhale and never has sexual relations with Monica but he did!!!

          • Tlaxcalli

            What the…? How do you know he did neither of those? With the way he denies having sexually assaulted 20+ women, I’m sure he’s capable of lying about his own use of drugs. People in his position with the public don’t usually admit to having done illegal activities. Cocaine would be one of them. Rape would be another.

          • beentherendonethat

            You are a complete moron Colin Miller.

          • C Lo

            The fact that you can ignore the similarities is mind boggling!

        • Donna Johnson

          Thanks…that was great. He’s not titillated and excited about raping women…he’s doing a comedy routine and excited about how the audience will react to the end of it. I’m not defending him…most of this is becoming over the top celebrity gossip. If he’s guilty of raping any woman, he should be punished but using an old comedy routine to proof your point is rather exaggerated.

      • Semi

        No one said ‘date rape drug’ that didn’t exist in the lexicon in those days. However many pills were floating around in the Hollywood scene and easily attainable for most. Mollies, Quaaludes, etc any type of downer could have knocked a person out.

        How do you know he’s never drank or used drugs? Maybe he didn’t, but it doesn’t take a doctor to know if you drop a sleeping pill on someone they will sleep.

        • Colin Miller

          “Woozy”, “stoned”, “weak”, “dizzy” and partially amnestic for events – whatever term you want to use, Cosby is being accused of drugging these women and assaulting them. And people are saying “date rape drug” in the current discussion, so I used that term generically and parenthetically, not as a quotation. My original point stands.

          Cosby has stated that he’s never used drugs or drunk much at all. That is widely accepted as truth because it’s been stated by him, his biographer, his family and friends. There is nothing to indicate otherwise and plenty of reasons to believe him as the son of an absentee, alcoholic father.

          • Semi

            I have not said a thing about Cosby using drugs.

            Not sure why you’d be perturbed that I pointed out a fact: GHB and such were not around in the 1970s, but Quaaludes were fairly plentiful.

          • Guest

            Frankly, what does it matter whether Cosby used drugs? It’s absurd that you’re using the question of whether he used drugs on himself to ascertain whether he drugged other people. Does getting raped determine whether you will rape someone else or not? Does getting poisoned determine whether you will poison someone else or not, or whether you know what different poisons do? What a complete red herring. Learn to form an argument and then try again.

          • Semi

            It doesn’t matter if Cosby partook or not. A lot of people offered ‘party favors’ and had drugs around back in the 60s and 70s, even if they didn’t use any. It would be in the character of a ‘control freak’ or someone who wanted to be in control when others weren’t, to abstain.

      • Nicole

        You Sir need to get a clue. The size and shape and forms of medication are constantly changing. White oval pills.
        Pills that turn things blue. Some that are in full affect in 15 minutes and some that are like a dreamlike trance and some cause complete memory loss.

        Just because Bill denies drug and alcohol use does not mean it’s true nor does it mean he didn’t use them on his victims. Just because you comment doesn’t mean you are all knowing.

        • cbts

          I know you posted this a month ago but I just had to tell you that I loved your last line: “Just because you comment doesn’t mean you are all knowing.”

      • bystander

        I forget where I read it, but one alleged victim claimed Cosby had a briefcase full of drugs that he displayed. I think serial rapist may be the nicest thing we could call him at this point. Personally I hope some legal entity figures out how to charge him with crimes. It’s beyond sad what he did to so many women. It’s criminal, pathological and I bet the publicized victims are not even 50% of the victims out there. Do we know if any of them died from the drugs? I don’t think we know that. I don’t think the public should always judge people based on press stories, but in this case–there sure is quite a consensus on his MO. And his MO is criminal. Peace to the victims.

        • Myra

          In the Navy, Cosby worked as a hospital corpsman for a few years, so it is possible that he picked up knowledge about drugs and anesthetics at this time. After the Navy, he worked as a bartender! And weird “coincidence” that he played a doctor on the Cosby show…

          • Tlaxcalli

            Right? I have never drunk a sip of alcohol in my life, but I serve alcohol as part of my job. I also worked on the campaign to legalize marijuana here, but never tried marijuana until afterward. Though I must say I had a ridiculous amount of dudes on the street demand to know why I was working on the campaign despite never having tried marijuana. A lot of people are fools. A lot. One guy even tried to tell me I shouldn’t tell anyone I never smoked marijuana because then they wouldn’t sign my petition. I ignored him.

      • beentherendonethat

        You are an idiot who doesn’t deserve to wear a uniform. Sincerely,
        A U.S. Navy Vet

      • robin4

        I find your arguments re: color of pills as a point in Cosby’s favor flawed in both facts & logic. (Before you jump on me about “facts unproven” regarding Cosby’s actions that is not the facts I am talking about–facts of logic & pharmacology.) No one has asserted he used the same drug on all of the women. The fact that they report different colors & effects logically indicate the opposite of your assertion. If this is a “put-up job” would they not have decided to use 1 description of the pills & effects? Or if some are jumping on the money-train after the first reports would they not use the original story in shaping their own & report he gave the same pill to them?

        Regarding pharmacology–1.) The same drug from different manufacturers have different colors & markings to enable tracking of drugs. 2.) Multiple drugs can cause similar effects because they are in the same classification,they are chemically similar–NOT identical but similar. (There are also drugs from different classes that have similar effect profiles.) 3.) It is understood by those with knowledge of pharmacology–pharmacists, nurses, doctors, etc.–that the SAME DRUG given at the SAME DOSE can have a VARIETY of EFFECTS in DIFFERENT PEOPLE both in the desired & side effects. As a result, it is perfectly reasonable to see different patients reporting widely different responses.

        No 2 people’s physiology, lifestyle, & thought processes are identical and these, and other, variables can greatly impact the drug’s effects. For instance, codeine is widely used as a mid-range pain killer, cough suppressant and sedative & can be very effective for most people,. However, ~30% of people do not have the enzyme in their body to convert codeine into the usable form so they CANNOT get the desired, or undesired, effects. For them, Tylenol with codeine is no more effective than Tylenol alone. In addition, even for those who DO have the enzyme the effects on their bodies are not identical. Some report little euphoria while others cannot even stand up due to the buzz and some report such a negative effect on brain function they cannot tolerate it. DIFFERENT PEOPLE=DIFFERENT EFFECTS FROM THE SAME DRUG. Add in the facts a.) the same drug given at different doses will have different intensity of effect, 2.) giving the drug with or without food, &/or alcohol can change the pharmacokinetics (the journey through the body from administration to excretion) & therefore the effects, 3.) the same drug given at different times of day can affect the effects & 4.) some drugs given over time can decrease in effectiveness as the patient builds a tolerance d/t an increase in the chemicals used to break it down, it is very easy to understand why, even if given the same drug, different effects can and will result.

        Back to logic, is it unreasonable for a predator who has preyed since the 60’s to use different substances to sedate different victims? Drugs available and knowledge about how to use them has changed dramatically over 50-60 years, as has their availability. In addition, a predator does not have to be a drug user to see the value of drugging victims and information on specific drugs easy to find. Experimenting with different drugs could even be part of the power trip! Like the Nazi doc’s who performed experiments with absolutely NO scientific value simply because they could or to justify their sadistic endeavors such a predator may do so just for the jollies of power.

        So, I suggest you do some brushing up on basic pharmacolog & logic (ever heard of circular reasoning?) if you are interested in truth instead of justification and exoneration before stating the accusations are “pharmacokinetically unlikely, if not impossible.” Twisting basic pharmacology to suit your argument is at best flawed knowledge and at worst disingenuous. I do not yet know the truth of the accusations and frankly, neither do you. A closed mind is a sucker for a con.

        • cbts

          Excellent explanation, thank you.

      • http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0301.marshall.html ave ngangel

        So since you’ve never heard of a Mickey Finn or slipping someone a Mickey, you think these drugs just came into being in the last 20 years? ‘Twas ever thus. And whether Cosby used drugs himself has no bearing on what he may have given to women. Neither does what the pills looked like; easy to undo an OTC pill, empty it and refill with Rohypnol.

    • wessexmom

      He’s a misogynist pig, regardless.

    • Semi

      You really should be careful what you say about people – Constand did not have a consensual relationship she worked for Temple where Cosby was and is on the board.

      I don’t care if someone is in a relationship or even married – no is no and rape is rape, Elizabeth. For a self described ‘rape victim’ you are sure exhausting yourself trying to discredit these women.

    • Semi

      So by your logic, if a pedophile grooms a victim and gives them gifts, that is a ‘financial transaction.’ Bowman said she was 15 when this began.

      I don’t think that part about the women being paid for tabloid articles was true, either. According to others, Cosby’s team alleged that but it was unfounded. The articles were killed under pressure from his team, according to the women.

    • yolo4ever

      Hmmmm. “Elizabeth” seems you hold the same standards for reviewing what is and isn’t good journalism as The Coz himself… (see AP video). How appropriate.

      I agree with everyone else who thinks that what you’re saying is totally BS and if you were really a rape victim why would you be going out of your way to discredit all these women who also claimed to have been raped – drugged even? and by a powerful celebrity no less, one who can easily use his own PR machine to manipulate the media and sweep the narrative under the rug. Think about it.

      • Elizabeth

        It is not my intention to “discredit all the women.” I spoke of one or two specifically. I am not even defending Mr. Cosby. I am saying that there are some important details of the stories that must also be considered before one can make a judgement.

        I should think that everyone who is accused of a crime has a right to have all facts considered not just the salacious ones.

        Those who do not like my opinion choose to doubt my story and throw stones at me personally. That’s like saying “look at the squirrel” – a diversion that will not work.

        • beentherendonethat

          Why hasn’t Cosby replied? Why hasn’t he gone on Oprah and called these women out if they are liars? He is GUILTY and hiding behind his PR people. A true 100% COWARD.

        • Friedrich

          And how many of his friends or co-workers have come forward to support him? None? Except his bosses at NBC who came forward to say they had no knowledge of this, and so are not financially liable. Which frankly, I doubt.

    • Donna Johnson

      “I call bullshit on the idea that it’s rape if your own behavior gives him every reason to believe he has an ongoing arrangement with you. Women can’t have this both ways, sorry.”

      Thank you…I tend to agree. To me, Bill Cosby was simply a good actor and comedian on TV…I don’t like or dislike him. But there has been an undercurrent of something not quite right with the entire situation. There may be some truth, at least to some of the women, but I’ll leave it at the fact that I’ve heard and seen a lot of selfish behavior through quite a few years and that may explain the undercurrent.

  • Wallace Boss

    This article is thorough and well written. Amazing that it is 8 years old and never took hold. Heart-breaking that truth to power fails again and again.

  • tangotrip

    Good article discussing why Cosby’s accusers are probably not making it up: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/11/the-cosby-show/382891/2/

    • Saturned

      ‘Cosby’s accusers—who have no hope of criminal charges, nor civil damages—are courting the scrutiny of Cosby-lovers and rape-deniers. To what end?

      The heart of the matter is this: A defender of Bill Cosby must, effectively, conjure a vast conspiracy, created to bring down one man, seemingly just out of spite. And people will do this work of conjuration, because it is hard to accept that people we love in one arena can commit great evil in another. It is hard to believe that Bill Cosby is a serial rapist because the belief doesn’t just indict Cosby, it indicts us. It damns us for drawing intimate conclusions about people based on pudding-pop commercials and popular TV shows. It destroys our ability to lean on icons for our morality. And it forces us back into a world where seemingly good men do unspeakably evil things, and this is just the chaos of human history.’

  • Chris Renegar

    Poor Cosby, sooooo many white women, so little time.

    • Mariposa

      LOL Chris. Your post makes light of the situation while leaving any doubt about your opinion. I concur. Cheers!!!

  • Anne_Norway

    Exquisitely interesting piece, well written. Thank you!

  • annachestnut

    Investigative reporting. Good work. More please. Cosby’s crimes were known since 2006?

  • naty

    I read this whole article. great job and I hope bill tells the truth

  • MarkAntney

    Assessment of the article, “Wow”!!

    If Cos can muster the strength to do a “No Holds Barred” Interview with Oprah, Barbara,…he could perhaps reconcile what’s left of his rep.

    This day-age, Secrets “Ain’t” so Secret anymore.

  • WayoftheDodo

    OH MAN

  • swissmrs

    As one of the victims who has recently come forth and who was one of the Jane Does in the Constand case, I think this article reveals real insight into the mentality of the serial sexual sociopath that Cosby is. His victims are all white. He seems to have contempt for his own race and covet “whiteness” as his own superior ego trip. He has betrayed his fans and especially those of color by becoming the very stereotype of black men that horrifies men of color — black men raping white women. He has actually set back — betrayed — all those who thought he had advanced their cause. Have you ever been betrayed? At first, you doubt it could be true and cannot believe that someone you trusted could or would do this to you. Thats what his fans and supporters and doubters are experiencing now — that it can’t be true, that Cosby would never do this to them. No one thought Cosby was a spy because he played one on at TV. And one shouldn’t mistake him for a kindly dad because he played that role as a pretender. Behind the actor’s mask is a sociopath. But really, no one wants to see that mask– or how blinded they are by it.

    • Simon666

      I think you’re full of nonsense. Swissmrs is further on tumblr the screen name of a female person blogging prOn. Not that the user name necessarily means you’re the same person, but still, I think you’re full of it. Further, one of Cosby’s “victims” was black. A victim that, unlike “you”, filed a police report. In that report it said there was sexual harassment, but that Cosby stopped when asked. Aka: he did not rape.

      And Bill Cosby has “betrayed” and been hated by black people ever since he told them to pull their pants up.

    • Semi

      The accusers are not all white. So I am not sure what to make of your claim you are one of the Jane Does.

  • Ar7wen .

    Good article. Of course, now we know there were more victims, and undoubtably we will never know how many. Statistics show that only between 2 to 8 percent of rape charges are false, and statistically 60 percent of women never report the rape. 97 percent of rapist never go to jail. I’m proud of these women for speaking out-look at all of those who EVEN in this day and age, BLAME and shame, and disbelieve them. This is because it is very hard and painful and frightening to recgonize the epidemic of abuse that goes on, and to have to face the fact that we cannot tell who is and who is not a sexual predator. We do need to remember that many of these women were groomed, and if some or any of them continued on in a relationship with Cosby, this would be similar to women living with men who abuse them-constantly thinking he will change, or could be part of a protective denial system. NOt at all uncommon due to the trauma, and our societal rules against ‘breaking the silence’, that so many waited to report. Many people in the entertainment industry apparently knew for years that Cosby was a rapist. And if you had been raped, and knew that no one would believe you or listen to you, and the rapist offered you money, you would think that he owed you that, at least……

  • Simon666

    A lot of these women “raped by Cosby” have holes in their stories bigger than the ones that sank the Titanic or the UVA rape story in Rolling Stone magazine.

  • Simon666

    According to the National Crime Victimization Survey (2008-2012), 60% of rapes are never reported. If 20 women claim to be raped by Cosby, the odds of there not being ONE single report of rape to the police can be mathematically calculated as 0.6 to the exponent of 20. The odds are hence a pretty low 0.0036%.

  • Ronnie

    I will add a comment that is very disturbing and I will leave it up to the readers imagination. An incident occurred at a Bucks County, PA nursing home where the grandmother of Ennis Cosby was residing at the time. The story was recounted by my father. Ennis Cosby was on the property of the nursing home heading to see his grandmother. This was an all white community, there was a bumbling security guard at the time who placed Ennis is a compromising position on the property. My father was walking the grounds at the time and came upon a rather disturbing situation regarding Ennis Cosby. My father immediately confronted the security guard about this major situation that occurred with Ennis Cosby and ripped the security guard six ways to Sunday. Screaming, “Do you have any idea who this is?” Of course the guard had no clue.

    Ennis did not behave in a disrespectful manner at all, quite the contrary. This recanting of these events always stuck with me as it seemed odd that a grown, young man would not have stuck up for his rights – at all. I found this disturbing, very disturbing that this young man did not fight back or communicate with his father in any way regarding the incident, nothing – nothing ever came of it. My first thought was this young man had to have been beaten emotionally in some way not to fight for his rights. This nursing home could have been held liable for the dreadful treatment of Bill Cosby’s son. Why did Ennis Cosby not have the ability to confront this man? Ever since my father told me this story it broke my heart as Ennis reminded me of myself. I was also a rape victim at 15 years old. I never reported it. I never told anyone except one friend. I remember hiding in my closet screaming and hating myself. I read on this thread about PTSD and I was the third type listed. The type with the angry outbursts and inability to sleep etc. When Ennis was killed it broke my heart as he had reminded me of the type who could not deal with confrontation. Someone or something caused this young man to not to stand up for his rights. I hope they will allow this to print. Bill Cosby’s son was a gentle soul who obviously could not deal with any kind of conflict and I will always wonder why. I believe this happened sometime in the 1980’s. I am glad Ennis is not around to see this. The world lost a wonderful man when Ennis left this earth. A truly kind soul who only wanted to bring joy and education to this world.

    Do I believe Bill Cosby was capable of these acts? I do indeed. Solely because his son appeared to have been emotionally beaten down. By whom?

    • Semi

      Sorry to hear of what happened to Ennis (at the nursing home). It was tragic what happened to him on the freeway. We don’t know what the Cosby home life was like. I feel his family should be left out of all of this if possible.

  • duck

    What happen to due process of law. I believe if he had done theses things he should be placed in prison, but I also believe this man deserves due process. Todays age is so quick to say that he is guilty. The argument is that it was so long ago but if the evidence is there then it should be brought to the fore front. Instead of trying to get money criminal charges should be pursued. Sandusky committed sexual acts in the past the evidence was brought to trial and he was found guilty now he is in jail. I believe these women have a moral obligation to get this guy of the streets if he is this drug giving rapists they are claiming him to be.

  • Becky Byrd

    Had no idea that this even existed. Well written and insightful.

  • http://www.fletchercommunitymedia.com/ Duane Fletcher

    He would have to be Jekyl and Hide literally if any of this is true. Personally I don’t believe any of it. BP Oil spill has legal precedence like this. False claims supporting each other through Osmosis to get a piece of his half billion bucks. I find it hard to believe that this man drugged and raped Every… Every woman he came in contact with over the years and none of them ever said anything..

    • Semi

      No one said ‘every woman he came into contact with.’ Just because it wasn’t public like this in the pre internet years doesn’t mean they didn’t tell ANYONE. Many did tell someone.

      Remember it’s on record Cosby ‘killed’ a story in 2005. Read the NY Times article about the systematic squashing of the story over the years.

  • Shirley Renshaw

    For all those siding with this PIG you obviously have no clue on sexual assault.
    Until you have expierenced being with whom you thought was a great man (blech) and having a chance to get into the business with his influence. Then … getting raped by this serial rapist. Who the heck would believe a no name and why would she take a chance to be slaughtered even more? Come on does his fame really help protect this predator that much? I wish all 25 of these women would sit at a table with him across from them … Each telling her story and watch him squirm. Will people believe him then? I hope this is done now before he finds medical excuses and gets off the hook. Mark my words that is next. He has played the race card already.

    • Semi

      Thank you sheesh I can’t believe the ignorance some people spout, blaming the victim for everything.

      Going on 30 women counting the still anonymous ones, and people still come out with that junk.

      • Donna Johnson

        Don’t you realize that it’s not blaming any victim? It’s simply, at least for me, having lived a long time, watched how some women act or behave, listened to a lot of stories and knowing that sometimes there are lies or at least fibs for attention. And for the record, I’m a 70 year old white female who neither likes or dislikes Bill Cosby.

        • Semi

          Yeah it’s victim blaming to say certain things and btw men can be raped too. You are quick to woman bash for a supposed ’70 year old white female.’

          • Donna Johnson

            What I’m saying is that these women didn’t report anything, some of them kept the situation going, some of them received money, etc. That’s not victim/woman bashing…that’s what happened. And, yes, men can be raped, too, but what is your point? You can play whatever game you want…just realize that some of it is very 2-sided and not just Bill Cosby, a male rapist. I’m not defending Cosby nor am I taking his side. There are people that have been tragically raped that will have to deal with it as long as they live…those are the true victims.

          • Semi

            Yes you are defending Cosby by trying to shoot holes in his accusers’ stories. That is obvious to anyone with a pulse. I am not playing any sort of a game. You are projecting.

            Why don’t you name names? Who supposedly ‘took money’ and ‘kept the situation going?’ Sometimes people stay in an abusive relationship. Doesn’t mean they are not being abused.

            Most victims don’t report. What is YOUR point?

          • Gregori118

            Actually, her point is that some women DO lie and to swallow every 30yr old story without proof or corroborating witnesses does a disservice to women everywhere! The liars and con artists make it harder for REAL victims to get justice.

          • Semi

            These women are actual victims in my opinion and I find them extremely credible. It doesn’t matter when it happened, or when it was told. Not everything comes out immediately. But then you just called them a vile name, so I see where your mind is at.

  • sis

    all these women are crazy and if they didnt want it they wouldnt have been there if it even happend i thank they are all damn lieing hoes, and i hope they are lieing and it falls back on them! they need to go on there damn life and leave the man alone and make there own money!

    • Semi

      Wow…just wow.

      If you are a woman, “sis,” I will eat my hat.

    • MarkAntney

      “if they didnt want it,…”

      I’m quite certain there’s women (or men too for that matter) have no problem with being “Drugged” and then “Violated”??

      But the women making the claims against Cosby are saying theyaren’t part of the “Drug” and “Violate” me crowd.

    • ant no telling

      You should go back to school and learn your spelling lesson again if you expect anyone to take you seriously. Your ignorance is really showing.

  • sis

    if these women were drugged why didnt any of them go be tested to see what they were drugged with, and why didnt any of them turn it in???? out of all of them you thank at least 1 would of went to the cops or hosptial right after it happend

    • Semi

      Women didn’t do that back then. They were not going to test a random woman crying rape, for knockout drugs. Some women who tried to report that type of thing back then were laughed at and treated like a drunk or a crazy.

      A lot of, even most of, rape victims never report, so I wish people would stop trying to break these stories down by claiming if they didn’t report it means they are lying. That is why people don’t report – because of people saying ignorant things about rape victims and blaming THEM for their own rape.

  • ant no telling

    There just ant no telling how rape

  • ant no telling

    There ant no telling how rape victims react. Reaction is as numerous as the stars. You are ashamed you got yourself in that situation, you blame yourself for stupid decisions, you

  • ant no telling

    try to forget about it for decades but fail. I was raped almost 50 years ago and I have only recently told a friend or two after these women have come forward. I don’t know where the man is and don’t care, but it feels good to finally say “I was raped” . I was in college and dumb about dating in general back then. I had some drinks, took a nap and woke up with this guy on top of me. I left college shortly after that and never told my parents why because I was ashamed of what had happened to me. Rape is awful and you can blame yourself forever sometimes. These stories are so similar as to the drugging and other parts of them. I can’t believe so many women would make them up at this stage of their lives. They have nothing to gain but further ridicule by the Cosby worshipers. Sorry this comment is disjointed. My typing is a bit digitally challenged because of crippled hands.

  • FractalReality~~

    This is a good article. I think a lot of these women are telling the truth. It seems like some of them came forward to back up the others. Like one of the other posters said below, I have no doubt a few of his mistresses accepted the fact that Cosby had a thing for sedating his girlfriends and having sex with them while they were helpless, but some of these women had no idea what was going to happen. They were starstruck trying to get into show business and thought they had found someone who honestly was going to help them do it. How would you deal with something like that happening? I have no idea. Probably feel alone and try and forget. Until you realized you weren’t the only one it happened to. I hope they can all gain some strength from each other realizing they didn’t go through this alone, even though at the time it seemed like they were.

  • Razerzpeed

    Guys…here is all you need to know. Replace the name Bill Cosby with YOUR name in these articles…and then realize that…YOU would be being smeared. These women have AS MUCH EVIDENCE against YOU as they do against Cosby.

    Supporting these attacks on him means that one day it could be YOU.
    Dont forget the main people pushing this stuff are feminists and in their
    eyes ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS who just havent been locked up yet.

    What is the likelihood that 40 women all reacted in the exact same way …
    thats like hitting the mega millions.

    And I love how they bear NOT a shred of responsibility for ANYTHING….
    They claim he was so powerful and they could not resist….

    That is like walking past an open bank vault and seeing a load of cash and
    then when you go and take it…blame the money.

    Talk about victim blaming!!!