Marynowitz: Eagles Taking Three-Pronged Approach

Eagles Draft 2015
Ed Marynowitz.

Ed Marynowitz.

It’s been nearly three months since Chip Kelly announced he was promoting Ed Marynowitz to vice president of player personnel.

On Thursday morning at the NovaCare Complex, the 31 year old met the media for the first time to discuss his new role, the Eagles’ scouting approach and next week’s draft. Marynowitz obviously was in no mood to offer up detailed evaluations on the prospects, but he did speak at length about what the organization is looking for under Kelly.

Specifically, Marynowitz laid out the three-part evaluation plan the Eagles use under Kelly.

1. Height, weight, speed measurables.

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Kelly talked about this in his first offseason as the Eagles head coach. He has specific measurables he values at each position. And it’s up to the personnel staff to abide by those guidelines.

“[NickSaban’s philosophy, he had been in the NFL for quite some time, and our philosophy there was a very similar philosophy to what we have here,” said Marynowitz. “It was a very height/weight/speed specific operation. This is a size/speed league. We believed the SEC was a size/speed league. There’s enough statistical data that will support that in terms of players that are playing at a high level. There’s a certain prototype.

“So our goal there was that although there may be varying degrees of players in terms of an ability standpoint, when the starters come off the field and the backups come in, they all relatively look the same. So there’s a certain prototype at each position. We try to build the same thing here, whether it’s at inside linebacker, outside linebacker, corner, safety. There’s a prototype, and there’s a model that fits what we do. We did the same thing there.”

Marynowitz spent one year here under Andy Reid. He explained that Reid allowed for more creativity and exceptions, using undersized linebacker Brian Rolle as an example. Kelly, however, sticks to the prototype.

“We begin all of our evaluations, they begin by elimination a little bit,” Marynowitz said. “It’s a funnel system of 12,000-some college players that you funnel down to 3,500 to 1,600 all the way down to 600 to 300 to 150 that are on your board. So in doing that, the first step of that is we’re gonna cross-check height/weight/speed and fits. So it’s not to say we’re just gonna totally eliminate a guy if he’s outside those parameters, but he better be exceptional in a lot of other areas to take a shot on a guy like that.

“Big picture wise, you want to play with the odds, not against the odds. And the odds are telling you that the majority of these guys that are under this certain prototype do not play at a starting level in the NFL. If you have seven draft picks, do you really want to waste one, especially in the top three rounds, on a guy that history is telling you… typically these guys with these types of measurables don’t produce at this level?”

The specific approach can shrink the pool of potential prospects, but Kelly, Marynowitz and others find more danger in trying to gamble on exceptions.

“I think size/speed wins,” Marynowitz said. “[Chip] brought up the line, Nick Saban used the same line, big people beat up little people. There’s a reason why heavyweights don’t fight the lightweights. This is a big man’s game. For what we do offensively, especially at the receiver position and their involvement in the run game in terms of blocking for us, I think size matters in that aspect as well. Overall, you don’t want to sacrifice athletic ability and speed, but if you can get size and speed at any position, you’re looking to get that and acquire those players.”

2. Position specifics, critical factors.

This is a much more subjective area of evaluation. Does the player fit the Eagles’ scheme? Is he athletic enough? And can he play?

“The position specific and the critical factors, that’s where you get a lot of your discussions, your healthy debates and discussions because what you may see as starter-level ball skills, I may see as backup level,” Marynowitz said. “Then we may need to talk and discuss, and we may need to watch tape together to say, ‘OK, well show me why you thought that he was at this level, and I can prove to you why I saw it at this level.’ So you have a lot of those conversations and a lot of those back and forths.”

Asked if the Eagles are a best player available operation, Marynowitz said: “I would expand that to say best player for us, best player available for us that fits our system.”

In other words, scheme fit absolutely matters. The outside linebackers have to be able to drop back into coverage. The defensive linemen have to be able to two-gap. The safeties have to hold up in man coverage. And so on.

The idea of taking the best talent and making it work doesn’t apply here.

3. Character, attitude, intelligence.

Or as we like to say around here, #culture.

“That’s really the hardest part of our job is figuring out the wiring and the makeup of these guys,” Marynowitz said.

He added that with his Alabama connections and Kelly’s Oregon connections, evaluating players from those schools is easier. On other prospects, the process is much more involved.

“We want to get as much exposure to those players as possible,” Marynowitz said. “The combine affords us a small window to do that. There’s a 15-minute formal interview period that we’ll visit with those guys there. Guys that we have additional questions on, we have an opportunity to bring 30 players to Philadelphia for the top 30 visits. We go out and see those players. So we do our due diligence with every player.

“What we’re looking for, and I’ll use the term a lot, is we want guys that are wired the right way. So an old [Bill] Parcells saying is when the best players are your best people is really when you have something. That’s the type of culture that we want, where the best people, the best players are the guys that have the best intangibles. We’re big on culture here and the right fit. And I think it’s important that we continue to bring guys in that are wired the right way.”

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It’s a specific, three-pronged approach. Prospects, specifically those that the Eagles take in the higher rounds, need to check all the boxes.

“Each one in and of itself is evaluated,” Marynowitz said. “Just because a guy is exceptional or deficient in one won’t preclude us from taking him, but ideally, especially in the upper rounds, you’re striving for guys that fit in all three of those. You just don’t want to take exceptions.”

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  • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, #4Sigma

    A brief exercise in reduction, or, what I took from the presser:

    #measureables
    #scheme
    #culture

    • cloisterwater

      #championship

      • Willie Beamen

        #championchip

    • Chris

      And if I am doing my math right…

      #measureables + #scheme + #culture = MSII

      • Kit

        You forgot to add: #howie

        • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, #4Sigma

          You know, all we have is circumstantial evidence at this point to suggest MSII was Howie’s pick. But if Chip knocks the ball out of the park with this draft, we’ll make that story gospel.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            That’s really what it comes down to. I’m not particularly interested in being a Kremlinoligist. We will see.

            Their evaluation parameters sound too bloodless for me, but not my job. It’s a Moneyball approach in a sport I don’t think is really suited for it.

          • Kit

            The only approach that is approved is the JCVD Bloodsport approach.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXFBggMSgo8

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Yep. Marginal English, execrable acting skills, and lots and lots of roundhouse kicks.

          • reb

            up vote for using “execrable”

          • Joe from Easton

            Best (worst) few minutes in movie history.

          • Eagles1018-Culture Sculpture

            I’m assuming by “bloodless” you mean their players lacking heart? Because if that’s what you mean I agree 100 percent. Being wired properly, being the right size, having enough speed…of course you want that. But, consider Brian Dawkins. He had the intagibles…true leadership by example on and off the field, the heart and the will that was infectious. He made Sheldon Browns and Lito Sheppards better just with his presence. Where’s that in their 3 pronged approach? By their standards, does Dawkins get drafted under Chip? A bunch of vanilla clad soldiers following orders from a great coach will win you games. The guy that finds the mental toughness to push a little further and win doesn’t exist. And it hasn’t since Brian left. Just my humble opinion.

          • WhattheCHIPjusthappened

            BDawk’s intangibles, on a scale of 1 to 10, were 11.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            I guess that’s what I mean. Really, my point is that the Moneyball approach in baseball had nothing to do with guys who don’t bunt, or whatever metric you choose. It was more important to find undervalued attributes in a competitive market. Those values MOVE.

            I just don’t like static evaluations. It is far too limiting.

            By bloodless, I mean that football depends on some of the elements you ably listed. It is not just a game of odds. That is a fine starting point, but it cannot be dispositive. There simply is not enough discrete data in football, versus baseball, to employ that approach. More or less, the effect of your #3 hitter on your #4 hitter is marginal. The effect of a great FS on your corners is not.

          • paul from nc

            Excellent reasoning. I believe baseball is the only major sport where the moneyball approach may work.
            The issue I have with Chip is that the intangibles are so hard to grade. The best players should be the best people approach is fine in theory. It certainly explains getting rid of DJax and Shady.
            However, if they have only one, give me talent over culture.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, #4Sigma

            “Vanilla Clad” actually beat out “Multicam” for the new Soldier uniform. Well done.

          • Beta20

            Yes. Dawkins gets drafted under Chip. He checks off all the boxes. In fact, he probably IS the prototype.

          • Dustin C.

            Chip loves the guy who will bust your mouth and play with with hair on fire. Gotta have an edge to be Chips guy. This year its gonna be pound the rock. If you get Mariota i think he will win early. GOOD LUCK Mariota and Murray comin read option at you downhill then u get Mathews when ur gased.. Mariota cant be spied he to fast but he can throw on run or play action all day. Hes eats up both ends just because he can snag ten yds every play and get out. Hes Big Ben/Wilson.

          • Beta20

            I think leadership is part of the “wired right” part Ed mentioned.

          • Joe from Easton

            In fairness… B-Dawk was also 6’0, 210 lbs (rocked up), and from the info I can find had a 4.35 40, 39″ vert, and benched 440 lbs. He was more than just heart.

          • Kit

            I know it’s an amusing part of the narrative for me personally. Obfuscation! Red herrings! Misdirection!

      • JofreyRice

        Sorry, didn’t see Tikkit’s post, for some reason.

      • Andy

        #highschoolbody

      • wee2424

        Or Jordan Mathews. Not just with draft but all aspects of life it’s best to choose a plan and stick with it. Sometimes it really works, sometimes it fails. To add, if you think about it in context, did you really expect Smith to out perform Barwin, Cole, or BG? You can say he should have been on ST. That’s so false. Every ST position that required his size was already filled with All Pro ST players. Everything has to be looked at in context.

        • Coatesvillain

          He was a first round pick. He was supposed to play and fight for time on the field. Instead he was so bad that they shuttled him around positions and he could never find traction.

        • paul from nc

          I would have expected a first round pick to contribute a fair amount, even in his 1st year.
          I disagree with your every spot was filled with ST all pros. But,even so, OLB, ILB were spots that had many injuries and he couldn’t even make a contribution. Matthews and Acho got starts and backup positions ahead of him, for goodness sake. And neither was even expected to make the team. Acho actually had been cut.
          If I remember, he had 0 assists, tackles, forced fumbles, sacks hurries etc etc.. That was just sad, whether it was Howie, which I believe, or Chip.

    • Kelce’s Beard

      I expect this should trigger some name changes, just in time for the draft

      “Rich C, first round value mid-round exception” :)

  • DEBO 215

    Height, weight, speed measurables…does he play for Oregon,has he torn knee ligament(s),is his name Mariota…these are the things we’re looking at.

    • Formidable

      Cynic

  • birds247regular

    I post here every day and I’d like to take the opportunity to tell you how right I am about whatever we’re talking about. You may have to dig through 10,000 layers of sarcasm but when you’re wrong YOU’RE WRONG!

    • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

      ha

  • Beta20

    Best players are your best people. Who are the Eagles #besties? (and to troll: which former Eagles were the best players but not the best people?)

    • Formidable

      DeMeco Ryans, Connor Barwin and Malcolm Jenkins on Defense
      Brent Celek, Jordan Matthews, Darren Sproles on Offense

      (To answer your troll question: Jackson and McCoy)

      • jmatt81

        You can add Maclin to the best playerpeople list with an asterisk next to his name. *11 mil? Shiiiiiiiit, we ain’t crazy!

      • paul from nc

        There is no way to know who the best people are. We do not have enough info.
        Talent, ie Jackson and McCoy, we could tell the talent and read a lot about their attitudes and personal life.
        The “good people” you mentioned may be, but we don’t know them personally. As far as their talent — Ryans and Celek are at the end of their productivity, Barwin , Jenkins and Matthews are decent, and Sproles is very exciting but may have only a year or two left.

    • WhattheCHIPjusthappened

      T.O., great player, worst teammate. T.O. spells team AT ME.

      • CAlidelphia

        That “AT ME” got to the Super Bowl. Ricky “For Who, For What” Watters and Terrell were two guys with great talent that I think we wasted because of culture, and really it was just a bit of selfishness. It’s not like they were criminals. Putting up with TO would have been worth another Super Bowl run. Disregarding his mouth, you have to love the guy as a player. Had we won that game he’d be up with the great Philly sports heroes, like Iverson, Julius, Reggie, Balboa.

        • WhattheCHIPjusthappened

          If he’d kept his ego in check, helped the Eagles to a SB, his career would be talked about in a whole different way. It’s unlikely he’d been a Cowboy, Bengal and he’d be adored rather than despised as a teammate. He never had character issues, but was poison in the lockeroom.

        • TimKerrForPresident

          Very, very true. Hell, people around town still love Dykstra and he was an All-time scumbag.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, #4Sigma

            Lenny really was/is. Vitamins dude!

          • cliff-All negative all July

            by now he has to have lost all his teeth, jaw bone and tongue with all the tobacco he chewed. dude was straight up disgusting. opponents said centerfield was like a marsh with all of LD’s tobacco spit.

          • paul from nc

            Tobaccy was the least of his issues. Ped’s, intelligence and ethics were much bigger.
            But the Dude could play.

          • CAlidelphia

            I can’t help but reminisce about Dykstra everytime I hear that he scammed another 1000 people out of their savings. What a fun squad to watch that was. Kruk vs Randy Johnson is maybe my favorite All-Star game moment ever. Pure bufoonery, nothing on the line, just some drunk guys having fun, because you know Kruk had a flask somewhere in that dug out.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            It was a great season. Completely unexpected with Daulton as the pipe-hitting den mother. In reality though, I wouldn’t let any of those guys in my house (except for Eisenreich).

          • cliff-All negative all July

            twitch!

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Haha haha. So, so wrong.

            (And I didn’t say I’d let him around the crystal)

          • cliff-All negative all July

            love that team. trying to remember all the guys. not sure i can anymore, could 5 yrs ago. big platooning team.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            God yeah. Mariano Duncan, Kevin Stocker, Pete Incaviglia…it was a nine month clown car ride. They still make me laugh.

          • cliff-All negative all July

            mickie morandini, just so you can hear harry say it one more time. Dave Hollins was crazy, too.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Hollins was juiced through his eyeballs. With the added bonus that he was constitutionally unpleasant. What a POS that guy was. Wow.

          • JofreyRice

            definitely a man suited for his time, Dave Hollins. Total ’90’s dude.

          • dnabrice

            Pitchers: Mitch Williams, Terry Mulholland, Curt Schilling, Tommy Greene. OF was Milt Thompson and RAJ…sigh…

          • CAlidelphia

            I laughed out loud at this.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, #4Sigma

            I’d let Kevin Stocker valet park my car.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            He is so nondescript that I temporarily forgot. Okay, I’ll have Eisenreich and Stocker over for the most boring party ever.

          • Kit

            Is let inky wash the car.

            Edit: he’d have to wear a speedo.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Thanks for the image. I’ll never be able to eat again.

          • JofreyRice

            Ben Rivera seemed like a gentle Giant.

        • OldDocZOMGamazeballs

          TO never won a playoff game here. We were getting to the playoffs with homefield just fine without him.

          He was a problem everywhere he went until the dying embers if his career. Utterly divisive locker-room presence. They really had no choice but to get rid of him.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            You’re right, of course. Given his performance in the SB, he would have been a hero regardless of his huge personality flaws if they had won.

          • OldDocZOMGamazeballs

            The irony is TO was *so* divisive because he actually wasn’t an awful human being. He worked his ass off and went out of his way to help younger guys or role players so they loved him.

            Unfortunately he had a stunningly fragile ego so anyone who in any way took the spotlight from him (by playing well, being famous, throwing the ball to Not TO, calling plays not designed for TO or whatever) became, in his eyes, a terrible person who was out to get him.

            Straight up douchenozzles are easy to move on from. Nobody likes those guys. TOs create much longer lasting issues.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            No, you are correct. My point is simply that we celebrate success and “grit” and “heart,” and a bunch of other pablum.

            He divided an otherwise very close team in a matter of months. He was insidious and narcissistic. Altogether, a terribly unpleasant person to have to manage.

          • CAlidelphia

            I say you learn to manage that guy when you’re this close to your ultimate goal. It may have gone down in a spectacular blaze of glory (envisioning a TO vs #5 slap fight), but I think it was worth another run. How many arrogant jerks are leading the way at banking firms because they’re good at what they do (caveat: all of my knowledge of investment firms come from movies)? Sometimes you make things work, because you’re winning. I think the 49ers are about to figure that here over the next few years.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Trust me, I’ve done it, and I’ve been that guy– being a jerk to your people is not a good strategy. Difference is, I didn’t have to share a locker room with these guys.

            My limited knowledge of professional sports leads me to believe that the situation was untenable. FWIW.

          • CAlidelphia

            This has become circular, but I just would have liked to have seen it. 77 Yankees managed it, granted Martin didn’t survive 78, but they won. Telling TO to shutup was no mid-game fight between coach and player.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Fair enough. We’ve got enough stuff to deal with now.

          • laeagle

            That was exactly the problem. He was more divisive than a straight up jerk because he could get people on his side and then turn them against others. Hard worker, great player, but just a straight up nut job.

          • paul from nc

            He was injured during the playoffs. The doctors told him not to play in the SB, and he would have been the MVP if we had won.
            he was a pain in the neck everywhere he went, but the guy could play the game. Selfish, yes,but he gave his all on the field and that’s what a coach needs to handle.
            IMO. You can’t just cut or trade the best players unless you have a replacement just as good that may be a better person.
            That’s my biggest problem with culture over scheme or talent.

          • OldDocZOMGamazeballs

            I’m aware he was injured. Was just pointing out the idea he got us to a SB was inaccurate. Reaching NFCCGs was not a problem. Winning them was. We did that with TO on the sidelines.

            He was a talented player but terrible for a locker room. There’s a reason SF, Philly and Dallas all decided to move on from him and he was left playing out his career with also-rans. He’s Exhibit A for why culture matters. There is no universe in which one good season made it worth the destruction of a locker room that took years to fix.

          • Ed Kelly

            I recall an interview not that long ago with a former Eagle who said that when TO came to Philly, he immediately had a positive impact on the team with his relentless work ethic at practice and his personal conditioning . The dude was a beast but we didn’t have the leaders on the field or in the front office to manage his issues. I also recall reading a portion of his autobiography where he found out his father was his neighbor across the street and he only found out because he was starting to have a romantic interest in the guys daughter . He was told he can’t date her because she is your (half) sister. I’m not making excuses for the guy but if you can’t trust your parents, how are you gonna trust anyone ever? I wish we could have had a few years of that team just to see how far they could go.

        • Truthsayer

          Bingo! D Mac lost that for us. Not TO’s attitude.

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            a lot of things went wrong in that superbowl to just blame one guy but yea ok he lost the whole game for us.

          • Truthsayer

            Yep. I am fine with it falling on D Mac. We were this ” ” close!

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            yea because the defense not stopping the other team from scoring had nothing to do with anything ever. lets not forget andy’s horrible time management issues and that its the ultimate team sport. you are right it was all mcnabbs fault I don’t disagree. not anymore lol

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            also he barfed.

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            writing he barfed reminded me of barf on the old tv show you can do that on television on nickelodeon back in the day.

          • cliff-All negative all July

            1st quarter underthrow of westbrook, i think, when it was 6-0, was when i knew eags werent going to win.
            .
            but going off drunken memory, never rewatched the game

          • TimKerrForPresident

            I was there. With a buddy who is a NE fan. Drunk bet in college, but we followed through. Also, Jacksonville sucked.

          • cliff-All negative all July

            i was dating a Pat fan. i was so hammered, i woke up next day empty pizza boxes everywhere (mine and my roomates dog were out being walked for like 5 hrs by his girlfriend cause they were exploding) thought the final score was 24-14, and a note from the Pat fan on my pillow saying something about tough loss and hope i feel ok. i had no idea she even came over. god knows what i did to her that night, we never talked about it, she just said it was ‘interesting’.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            I was just cold. And bitter. And having to listen to a bunch of chowdahheads scream unintelligible nonsense. You win.

          • cliff-All negative all July

            sure i took my agressions out on pats fan a different way. she was a tropper

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            lol

          • cliff-All negative all July

            poor dogs, each had at least 1 medium dominoes (remember the 3 for 5 each deal) probably some of 3rd, and whatever crust i didnt eat. man, his gf was soooo mad

          • DoctorRick

            TMI, cliff

          • DoctorRick

            “interesting” from a love interest is never good.

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            jville does suck its ugly and dirty

          • TimKerrForPresident

            And cold and boring and did not have anywhere near the infrastructure and number of hotel rooms to handle the event.

            So, of course, that’s where we ended up.

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            I knew they were not going to win when the defense couldn’t stop brady and the pats over and over again. It was solidified when they took their time on the last drive of the game where they could have scored or tied but just became the eagles they always were.

          • cliff-All negative all July

            watched to many football games, eagles should have been up anywhere from 13 to 21-0, instead, 6-0. almost always lose when that happens. rest was football gods fate to me.

          • JofreyRice

            ugh, god, this has got me sick thinking about this. I didn’t have a drop to drink that night. Watched that from Tikrit, Iraq at 3 am, screaming at Donovan to get to the line and cursing Reid.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            I was in an Eagles section and we were all screaming. We were so confused and angry. Couldn’t believe we were having clock management AGAIN. Just awful.

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            I replayed it in my head I shouldn’t have just got depressed and I’m like cliff I have never rewatched that superbowl its too painful to relive. in fact I’m not going to talk about it anymore. it was the closes my father got to seeing his birds win it all before passing away. he was too young to see the 1960 championship he was only like 1.

          • DoctorRick

            Most sincere Thank You! for your service.

          • DoctorRick

            Yeah. I remember. Felt that way again last Superbowl when the ‘Hawks couldn’t stop the Pats.

    • DoctorRick

      Your point is good, really shows how much the media circus around the game has changed. Think about the standard of the past era where the gauge was how you played on game day, hung over or not. And now, EVERYTHING about your life, public or private, is scrutinized. The genie is out of the bottle.

      Aub and I had a discussion about Jameis Winston a couple of days ago. His point was (hope I get it right Aub) that youthful indiscretions are part of growing up. I don’t disagree but these days, nothing goes uninspected regardless of age. And sometimes past performance predicts future performance. There is just not much room to grow up without the scrutiny.
      FWIW, I am fortunate to have survived my prolonged adolescence. I think cliff and I were twin sons of different mothers.

  • Eazywider

    I think at this point it’s either mariota or byron jones. All depends on what the teams in the top 3-5 do.

  • TheMeta88

    “So an old [Bill] Parcells saying is when the best players are your best people is really when you have something. That’s the type of culture that we want, where the best people, the best players are the guys that have the best intangibles.”

    IT CANNOT BE OVERSTATED HOW HUGE THIS IS IN RELATION TO OFF-SEASON MOVES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS!

    • CAlidelphia

      That Nick Foles guy was a straight up cancer and that Riley Cooper character is a real stand up guy.
      I think the moves I assume you’re talking about had more to do with size and style than attitude. What Kid GM says plays more to that than the best players and best people line.

      • TheMeta88

        They wanted to keep Foles but it seemed like when negotiations stalled the Rams asked for him so the Eagles gave him up at the last second.

        Other than that ONE incident while intoxicated what has Riley Cooper done? He’s a humble and hard-working guy.

        There were definitely other factors in the decisions they have made but the quote really struck me as interesting all things considered.

    • unhinged

      YES IT CAN! With the exception of the Foles and picks for Bradford trade, which was clearly NOT about culture, nearly EVERY shocking, unexpected move that Kelly made had MONEY as a lever. NONE of them were arbitrary or without gain in some form. Even the discharging of DeSean last season lanced a 10M cap hit. Culture may have made it an easier call, but money made it possible.

  • jmatt81

    I think we can take these 3 points and pretty much figure out the Eagles draft board. I would also throw in there whether you graduated or not. I think they are looking for Seniors who graduated or juniors who graduated early.

  • WhattheCHIPjusthappened

    Headline from article on ESPN: Jon Gruden calls Marcus Mariota ‘can’t miss’
    If you believe that Gruden is the Great Powerful Oz of the football world, getting MM might have just gotten a bit harder.

    • CAlidelphia

      I don’t think anyone really believes that Gruden is some sort of QB guru. The Gruden Camp is entertaining for what it is, but I don’t think he is considered the end all be all of QBs. I doubt Wisenhunt was waiting to hear Chucky’s opinion before makign a decision.

      • cliff-All negative all July

        people remember him at Tampa? he was 10 times worse than Kelly trying to find qbs, and with 10 times less success.

        • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, #4Sigma

          Spyder Y 2 banana. Go.

          • Jask singh

            He also made fun of Matiota when the ducks wore flourescent yellow jerseys while he was wearing a flourescent yellow shirt…

        • Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

          Yeah, how the hell does he have a show about QB evaluation?

          • DoctorRick

            Yeah, you’re right but come on. He’s entertaining and brings out some fun stuff from the QBs. QB guru? No way, but I would rather watch him than many of the retreads on ESPN or NFL.

          • Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

            You don’t like listening to Heath Evans!!!!

      • WhattheCHIPjusthappened

        Sorry, my point was actually sarcasm directed someone who was down on MM based on how he came across on Gruden’s QB Camp. I wasn’t espousing an endorsement of Gruden’s assessment.

        • CAlidelphia

          Yeah, I read my comment and thought, this is an overly negative response. I have a lot of negative energy flowing out right now. I better go do some yoga down in Berkeley where everyone is all learn-ed and stuff. At least the ’93 Phillies brought me some positive vibes.

          • DoctorRick

            LOL

  • Penfold

    “So an old [Bill] Parcells saying is when the best players are your best people is really when you have something.”

    That is an odd quote coming from Parcels considering LT was his best player and worst person.

    • cliff-All negative all July

      beat me to it.

      • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, #4Sigma

        was he? I mean, I know all about the general scumbag behavior after he played, but what about as a teammate? bad guy? did he blow off practice (poor choice of words)? take plays off?

        I honestly don’t know; I just remember being in awe and hating him as a kid.

        • cliff-All negative all July

          was cokehead during too, he didnt just become a mess after his playing days. back then it was better hidden by teams and nfl in general. but yeah, there were 2 rules in NY, LT’s and everyone else’s, it was pretty well known. all BP said is if you can play like him, you can get the same rules.

          • CAlidelphia

            Yeah, definitely the coke habit makes him a less than best person on your team. The hooker thing seems more like old-timey professional sports hijinks. I’m definitely against hooking and the trafficking that goes along with it, but we knew less about the world then.

        • JofreyRice

          I know he was renowned for never going to workouts. Was just “country strong”–or fueled by the coke–and didn’t do any real gym training, supposedly. He was pretty wild in those days, sending hookers to opposing teams running backs and stuff–which he admits.

        • botto

          did you say “blow off” practice?
          haha classic.
          yeah LT definitely would do blow off anything

  • peteike

    I really thought Agholar was at top of their board but isnt he a tad small? If so, maybe he isnt up there as much as I believe. Jones it is

    • Phil

      I think they like him but WR is so strong this year you have to wait till second. The top CB’s will all be gone by then. I still hope they trade back a couple slots in the first.

      • MagsBirdieBaby

        Agree on quality DBs going early. Both safeties and CBs are in great demand around the league.

        • Beta20

          Until there’s a strong “safety” draft class, safeties are going to begin demand for a long time because there’s so little supply of quality safeties. I don’t see how this draft improves the safety supply in the NFL. There might be 0 quality safeties in this draft class.

          Jones and hybrids are another story. But those guys who are tweeners are projects.

          • Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

            I think we are going to see more and more College CBs turning into NFL Safeties

          • DoctorRick

            The bad news is that there are not many obvious man coverage and downhill tackling safeties in this class. The good news is that every other team looking for a safety is in the same boat as we are.

    • Weapon Y

      Agholor reminds me a lot of Maclin. Similar physique and speed. Agholor might have a higher ceiling because he’s a more physical receiver who works the middle of the field better than Mac does. And I’m a huge Maclin fan who was crushed to see him leave, so that’s a big compliment from me. The Eagles need at least one receiver who has respectable speed and Agholor fits that description (4.42 40 time). I’d be thrilled if Agholor was the pick.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Remember, it’s not just size, it’s the whole shabang of height/weight/speed. I think he’s still at the top, but value may come into play and a good quality WR could still be had in the 2nd, possibly even 3rd. OL you’re looking at starting quality in the 1st-2nd range and same for DBs. So I think the 2 early picks should be OL/DB, DB/OL. Problem is that once you get beyond say early 2nd, the starting quality DBs could well be gone. So I think it’s really come down to Jones, Rowe, KJ on the short list. Then OL in 2nd. I would look to trade up into mid 2nd to have two picks in 2nd. We could find 3 starting caliber players if things fall into place that way.

  • Weapon Y

    On the trade up BIG to get Mariota bandwagon. But if Plan A fails, Nelson Agholor is my favorite reasonable pick at 20. Reminds me a lot of Maclin, but much more of a physical receiver. Byron Jones is right up there as well. Not a fan of Jaelen Strong.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      What I like about Agholor is his ability to time his leaps for catches. He doesn’t just look like he’s going up for the ball, he’s snatching it with authority out of the air. He’s very similar to Maclin in height/weight/speed, but I find him to be a more explosive athlete than Mac.

      • Weapon Y

        I agree with that. I think Agholor could be even better than Maclin for that reason. With him and Matthews, we’d have two very good receivers. The third spot would still be a mystery, but not many teams have three excellent receivers. Huff should step up to be that guy, but I wouldn’t rely on him until he shows something this year.

  • Beta20

    The timing of this presser, the first for Marynowitz, was a little odd. One week before draft. Approach to draft was discussed. Most teams are neck deep in misdirection and lyin’ season. What was the message that was being put out into the public sphere that couldn’t be said to other teams directly?

  • Dan

    Translation: Kendricks and boykin are gone.

    • Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

      LIES

    • DoctorRick

      You might be right based on the Shady and, even more, Maclin departing. Both Kendricks and Boykin played at a high level and replacing them would be tough. Ya, I know about Alonso but I think the LB depth and nickle depth would be hard to replace.

      • Dan

        Oh, it’s a dumb idea. But in addition to being reid guys, they don’t have the “measurables” that Chip and co. demand. It’s ridiculous, but they are obsessive about drafting mike mamulas rather than football players.

  • ohitsdom

    BPAFU

    • DoctorRick

      OK, I give. What’s that mean?

      • ohitsdom

        Best player available for us. It’s the new BPA.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Is that the censored version?

  • 370HSSV 0773H

    Hmm…

    Doesn’t Marcus Smith have all the right measurables?

    And, Kendricks doesn’t?

  • FMWarner

    “When your best players are your best people, that’s really when you have something.”

    Maybe good evidence that Mariota is still in play.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Have I not been saying this about the WRs…? It’s not just size that Chip is looking at, it’s the ratio of height, weight & speed. If he can get a big WR that also has speed (Perriman, Conley, etc.), that’s the preference over a guy that’s just big (Strong, Funchess, etc). I think after taking Matthews & Huff last year, two guys that have the height/weight ratio down, but not necessarily the “game breaking” speed/ability to separate, that you’ll see Chip looking for guys that can bring that element but don’t sacrifice on height/weight.