Eagles Wake-Up Call: Three Numbers That Matter

Photo by: Jeff Fusco.

Photo by: Jeff Fusco.

I used part of yesterday’s off day to flip through the Eagles chapter of the Football Outsiders Almanac.

As I’ve mentioned in previous years, the Almanac is always chock full of good information, and it’s a great resource to get ready for the season.




Keeping that in mind, here are three Eagles numbers that matter, courtesy of their findings.

62 - The percentage of run plays for the Eagles when they were leading in the second half of games last year. That ranked No. 1 in the NFL. The previous year under Andy Reid, that number was 37 percent, which ranked dead last. Granted, the Eagles only won four games and didn’t have a lot of leads in 2012, but you get the point.

The Eagles’ run game was successful last year even when defenses knew what was coming. Opponents consistently stacked the box and played with a single high safety. In the fourth quarter, LeSean McCoy averaged 6.0 YPC, per STATS, LLC.

"No one is going to play us in two‑deep because if you play us in two‑deep, we can run the heck out of the ball," said Chip Kelly.

And it’ll be more of the same in 2014.

54 - The percentage or runs for the Eagles when they were in 12 personnel (one RB, two TEs). The number gives a sense of why Kelly might trot that grouping out more in 2014: It allows for maximum versatility.

The Eagles had almost a 50/50 run-pass split when they used 12 personnel. Overall, they went with multiple TE sets 23 percent of the time - that ranked 25th.

I fully expect that number to go up in 2014. The key will be Zach Ertz. If he can prove to be a problem in the passing game against linebackers/safeties and progress as a blocker in the run game, there will be no reason to take him out of the game.

7.04 - The Eagles' average yards after the catch as a team in 2013. That was not only tops in the league; it was the highest average of any NFL team dating back to 1992, according to STATS, LLC data.

This one really blew me away. We know Kelly likes to get the ball to his players in space and create one-on-one matchups. But the YAC number really demonstrates how well he accomplished that feat in his first year as an NFL head coach.

WHAT YOU MISSED

"You didn't notice anything about DeSean Jackson not being here." What they're saying.

T-Mac dove into Kelly's explanations of his unorthodox ways.

And here's McManus' piece on the theory that Jackson opened things up for Riley Cooper last year.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Arrelious Benn is trying to overcome two torn ACLs to the same knee to make the roster, reports Paul Domowitch of the Daily News:

Acquired by the Eagles from Tampa Bay in March of last year, he tore his left ACL in training camp for the second time in 32 months and missed the entire season.

"I had to get over that," Benn said of the self-pity, of the feeling he was jinxed. "The hard part was the mental part. Physically, I was able to come back because of the body that I have. But the tough thing I had to get over was the mental part. I had to give myself the opportunity. I had to keep fighting."

The 6-2, 215-pound Benn tore his ACL for the first time late in his rookie season with Tampa Bay. The 2010 second-round pick recovered and caught 30 passes and three TDs in 14 games in 2011.

Jackson suggests to Chick Hernandez of Comcast SportsNet that Eagles fans aren't as supportive as Redskins fans:

"It is different. You know, they’re very supportive here. They’re open. Being out on the field, I’ve been hearing certain things, but they’re good things. In Philly, sometimes things could have gotten a little negative. They booed their own players. But here, you don’t really get that. They’re supporting you, they’re out here. I mean, just as many people as [were] here in the morning practice come to our walkthrough practices, so that shows you something,” Jackson went on. “To not really have a practice and people are still sitting here through a walkthrough, they really are big fans and they support us. Every time we come out here, guys are screaming things at me. And that’s just a great fan base to really have.”

COMING UP

We'll hit you up with some All-22 action this morning. Then it's off to practice where we'll hear from Kelly and have today's session covered from top to bottom.

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  • Charliefoxtrot

    Yeah. Weird how us mouth breather Eagles fans booed you when you took an entire season off.
    Doubt you’ll hear much booing in DC once the losing starts, you’ll just have a mostly empty stadium once the bandwagon Skins fans leave.

    • JosephR2225
      • Eagles4Life
        • Will

          The Snow Bowl was a great game. I got to watch from the stadium…Eagles Fans enjoyed a great game

          • Will

            McCoy had a break out game in the snow…

          • anon

            That conditioning, had the defence running in quick sand in the 4th quarter. Those big bodies didn’t have the conditioning or the ankles to keep up.

    • myeaglescantwin

      the worst fans in the NFC.

      I never even met a Washington fan until RG3 was drafted.. Then they popped outta the wood work, only to disappear in 2013..
      now they are back on the message boards running their mouths.. That will last right until they are eliminated from playoff contention.

      Throw them jerseys in the closet for another 20 years boys, it aint happening.

      • Say No to Marc Mo From Easton

        I have one friend that is a die hard Wash fan. Stuck by them through and through. He also knows his football so I respect him.

        • myeaglescantwin

          WE GOT 1 !!!

          I can respect people that hold true. hell, i even respect the people with the balls to wear opponents jerseys into our stadium.
          unquestionable FanHood is highly respected.

          • Say No to Marc Mo From Easton

            haha amen. I went to an Eagles/Boys game two years ago with another couple that are Boys fans and neither of them had the stones to wear anything cowboys; not even an undershirt haha.

          • myeaglescantwin

            back when we WHOOPED the cowboys 44-6, I had my buddy come up with me, head to toe (even shoes) in cowboys gear..

            From the moment we came in, he was getting the business, but all in good fan fun. I was leading chants, pointing to him each time we scored, and most importantly watching his back. The fans in our section we tearing him up all game. He took it like a champ. To the point when they scored the last field goal, he stood up with a golf clap.. The entire upper endzone then gave a standing O with him. That’s fanhood respect.

      • Charliefoxtrot

        Whoever compared DC fans to the Hunger Games audience (who also lived, of course, in the richest city in the country like DC is) was spot on.

  • Will

    Going to watch the Eagles practiced today at the Nova Care Complex…

    • Tikkit, draft crapshoot

      Sweet, you taking notes?

      • Will

        no…just gonna watch….I may recap a little bit….but the pro reporters do a nice job so I’ll leave the reporting to the experts….I am gonna take a lot of pics with my phone if I’m allowed…and if I can figure out how to upload them here I’ll share the photos of the day…

        • Charliefoxtrot

          Sounds awesome. Love a report on Jmatts weakness (according to scouts predraft notes on him ) vs press coverage since I haven’t seen anything on that yet.

          • Will

            Jordan Matthews definitely will be on my radar today….

          • Charliefoxtrot

            Have fun. Weather is perfect!

  • 370HSSV 0773H

    Jaccson will never grow up.

  • PhillySean

    Won’t miss pass pass pass punt Air Reid.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      incomplete, Draw (for 6 easy yards to pad rushing stats) then incomplete punt.
      .
      nothing drove me more nuts then talking heads spouting off that Reid lead teams were always in top 10 in overall rushing, but never used context. yeah, were the greatest at getting the easy 2nd and 10, or even better when penalty or sack and got into 2nd and really long, could really pad those rushing numbers. then when it came to 3rd and 1, got stuffed all the freaking time!

      • PhillySean

        Never understood how a former O-lineman could sentence his front five to a career of pass blocking all day each week.

    • DirtyWaters

      Made me think of Punt, Pass, Kick Andy Reid.

      • PhillySean

        Ha!

  • Bullwinkle

    DeSean needs to understand that he is on his honeymoon with the fans. The fans are excited about him. To them, it’s like getting a new sports car. Things can change quickly, depending on how well he plays and how he behaves.

    • aub32

      I think he knows that. Saying things like that help ingratiate you with a fanbase. He’s played in the NFCE for a while, and the Skins haven’t exactly been great over that time period. I am sure he’s heard them boo their own players before. Make nice to the guys buying your jersey.

      • JosephR2225

        In 2011, Rex Grossman started 13 games and John Beck started 3. If fans weren’t booing, they should be checked for a pulse.

      • Bullwinkle

        It will be very interesting to observe how DeSean does in DC. I think he will have an excellent first year, but things could get a little messy after that, especially if Gruden does not run a tight ship.

  • Andy

    Oh yeah nobody booed RG3 last year.

  • cliff h-MOAR white goons

    YAC stat is crazy, when you consider the Kingdom of Jordan is replacing Avant’s absolutely horrid production. forget the stat/ranking exactly, but was something like on WR w/ over 50 targets, Avant was 80th out of 82 in production. gotta wonder where it would have been without the Kelly bump. 38 catches of 76 target, and had a grand total of 88 YAC, 447 total yard, not even 6yds per target while TE’s Celek were 10+ and Ertz 8.3 yds per target, w/468 YAC combined. Matthews at 6’3 will fall forward for 88 yards. bet his catch rate (add in Sproles and Huff too) will be better than 50% on what should be pretty simple throws.
    .
    Tim and Sheil, would love to see an All-22 or something similar to last night’s Cooper article (tremendous by the way) on how increase production by 3rd WR would effect offense. do think Jax>Mac, but think the upgrade over Avant will far outweigh the difference.

    • GreenBleedin

      Jackson had a 6.01 YAC average last year so he actually hurt the overall team stat too.

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        not sure about hurting overall, but he was put in a ton of opportunities to get a alot, drags and coming out of backfield. Cooper was only at just over 5 (ugh, NO game, still have nightmares…wasnt anyone within 25 yds of him). besides the TEs, Shady, Brown and Polk are the ones who drove the number to lead the league, 754 on 64 touches. reason i used Celek and Ertz is figure their touches were more similar to Avant than the 2 guys outside the number (generally).
        .
        plus, think WR screne is going to much bigger play in ’14 and can see the one who walks on water get a ton of those. throwing those to Avant would have been a waste of a play.

        • jpate

          Worst part about that NO drop is not only that it killed that drive but after a play like that, this offense gains momentum and could of just gone off.

      • Charliefoxtrot

        Wow. I didn’t know that, that’s interesting. I don’t remember him avoiding a ton of contact either but I was also deep in Hoegaartens come game day.

    • Jonathan R. Henry

      I love Avant, but his lack of speed drove me nuts. His 40 time was probably 4.ever.

      • Nicodemus_09

        The guy sure runs precise routes though. But then, my riding mower cuts perfectly straight lines too. And sadly, it accelerates just as hard as Jason……

    • Tikkit, draft crapshoot

      The Kingdom of Jordan>The Shantytown of Avant

  • crazymancharles

    Anybody else going to the Monster Truck Nationals this weekend?

    • DirtyWaters

      Nah. I’m going to drive to Montgomery County in my Honda to play golf.

      • Guest

        Which course?

        • DirtyWaters

          Which ever one the Sponsored Link tells me to.

      • Nicodemus_09

        I’m driving my MG to a Polo tournament.

        • Johnny Domino

          Forney Field?

      • Tikkit, draft crapshoot

        Subtle.

      • UKEagle99 à l’orange

        I read that’s a great place for the boys to spend the weekend.

        • DirtyWaters

          I love the desert mountain scene in the background.

  • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

    Demarcus Lawrence with a broken foot to miss 2-3 months, maybe half the season. Does God hate Dallas now as much as Cleveland? David Wilson already getting stingers in his fused neck vertebrae.

    • Tikkit, draft crapshoot

      Do you sometimes get the feeling that the Eagles conditioning/sports science program is better than everyone else’s?

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        I definitely do but sometimes it’s hard to believe someone hasn’t put forth the money before now in these multi-billion dollar organizations. I mean I would think it would be a simple decision to invest in your players overall health with all these drug scandals & lawsuits that are being filed.

      • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

        Yeah, but Lawrence’s injury is more remiscent of the 3 ACL tears we had in camp last year that were all due to wearing cleats that were too long and got stuck.

      • Charliefoxtrot

        If we have another season like last year with no maj injuries then Sean Hull will get more $ than Howie :)

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      stinks for player…HAAHHAHA fans!
      .
      hopefully Wilson will be OK, but was non contact, read he just ran into his on OL and down he went. might be time for him to think about the next 50 yrs
      .
      on DL, doesnt matter, he’ll be so far behind everyone, it’s a wasted season.

      • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

        Definitely agree Wilson needs to rethink his choice to play football. It’s one thing for Peyton, who isn’t charging into the line and defenders with his head low. It’s another for a player whose position pretty much demands he continually take those shots.

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          and he didnt even take a shot, just ran up the back of an OL. wait till some 300+ monster is trying to rip his head off.

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            Exactly

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      oh, and best part of lawrence injury is think he was locked up with Martin. i’m getting his jersey, he’s my NFL MVP already…wonder how he can get after Romo?
      .
      EDIT: was Tyron Smith taking him to the ground. https://twitter.com/BlueStarBlog
      guy video’d his tv with his phone and put it on twitter…saw it while i was trolling BTB last night. god i hate them!

      • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

        Haha I feel bad for the kid. The reason I read was that the cleat got caught, which usually means they were too long, and brings me back to why we had 3 ACL tears in camp last year.

        NOTE: I do not feel bad for the team, though.

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          nawh, not me, shouldnt have gotten drafted by the cowboys if he wanted sympathy from me.
          .
          plus they have 3 guys out with hamstrings already. their strength and conditioning coached need fired asap.

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            haha I forgot he controlled who drafted him… definitely need to fire that guy, actually, they should keep him. he’s doing good.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            could have held out, done the noble thing, refuse to play for ‘Allas…what i would do. or at combine, just punch JJ and Garrett in the face in an interview.

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            That’d be hilarious if every player in the combine interviews just smashed Jerry, Stephen, and JG in the face so they wouldn’t be drafted…. I feel like somehow Jerry would find a way to say that it was sign that he’s a tough, physical player bred for their ‘efense.

          • aub32

            Beat me to it

      • JofreyRice

        wow! that guy’s like their version of Ernie Sims. Call that dude Friendly Fire.

    • Johnny Domino

      God hates trailer parks, He just doesn’t care about Cleveland.
      Satan has dibs on Dallas.

    • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

      I’ll admit I was worried about him outperforming Smith in year one.

      • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

        As was I. Seems he had less in front of him to get in the starting lineup, though. So I wouldn’t have put too much stock in it, but it was a concern, for sure.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

        I was actually counting on it from him. DAL has no other talent anywhere on defense. Then, he’d be the Savior heading into the future, while Smith just learns and learns, and then 1 day next year BAM he ends Romo’s career.

        Over/Under for Shady vs. DAL? is 150yds a pretty fair line at this point?

        • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

          total yards from scrimmage or rushing? Damn Rob, why are you going to make me take the under against my own guy!?!?

    • CHRIS – CB with dreads

      They are cursed this year. I almost hate it because they have the excuse that they were injured when we beat them.

    • JofreyRice

      yeah man, David Wilson should hang em up. It’s one thing to play with an iffy neck when you’re a QB that’s historically been one of the best at avoiding sacks & hits, but if everything goes well for Wilson, he’s in the equivalent of a car crash about 20 times per game.

  • DirtyWaters

    Only because I get a Google Alert anytime a Ron Mexico article appears on the internet. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/29/cam-thomas-faces-a-ron-mexico-style-lawsuit/

    • Johnny Domino

      So sorry the Ron Mexico Name Generator has gone away.
      Thanks to GorillaMask I am also DBA Fausto Gabon.

      • DirtyWaters

        A bygone era of the internet. Truly a golden age. Maybe I’ll cheer myself up over a rotten.com with some EMS or ER photos.

      • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

        was 99% sure that Johnny Domino was your Ron Mexico name

        • DirtyWaters

          Hahahaha!

        • Johnny Domino

          Actually my nom de rugby and karaoke stage name.

          • Charliefoxtrot

            Or, when the herps comes roarin’ back on occasion :)

          • Johnny Domino

            Got a cream for that

    • Charliefoxtrot

      Laughing that you’ve got a RM google alert, ha!

      • DirtyWaters

        I kinda forgot I had it. Unfortunately, he doesn’t get a lot of press. There really is nothing funnier than the saga that is Ron Mexico.

    • CHRIS – CB with dreads
  • Will

    An Eagles Super Bowl Win still on my bucket list…season 42 could this be the year we go all the way and win the Big one? Picked up pre season tickets for the Steeler’s and the Jets today…September can’t get here fast enough for me…

    • anon

      Vick get booed or applauded when he gets here?

      • Will

        applauded..class act when he was here gave all he had….might only be 2nd string QB for the Jets…

        • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

          he sure will be.

  • THROW UP IN THE HUDDLE

    Just got my tickets for sept 21 death match I’m gonna boo the sh*t outta jaKKpot.

    • anon

      haha why? he got cut, he didn’t want to go.

      • John E. Zang

        He got himself cut. And he’s acting like a big passive aggressive baby about it. That’s why. I hope he gets a Sheldon Brown saints playoff game type of hit first play.

        • anon

          I’d be salty too despite his antics i think he loved playing here, the fans loved him. I hope Djax gets a standing O, and then drops the ball out of bounds before getting into the endzone.

      • THROW UP IN THE HUDDLE

        Why???…… He’s the enemy now!

  • myeaglescantwin

    NO doubt that the YAC will drop considerably without the speedster on the wing.
    But i also think that the other two figures pertaining to rushing are going to jump up.

    Which is a good thing. I’d be happy for 60% rushing.

    • anon

      Djax’s YAC was less than the AVG b/c he was used more. I think Riley Cooper will be our Jordy Nelson and actually stretch the field a little.

      • myeaglescantwin

        Definitely a redzone threat.

        Guy runs 4.5, he isn’t slow by any means. I’d be more than happy to be able to mention him and Jordy in the same breath.

      • aub32

        Nelson and Cooper are two very different players. Let’s not put Cooper in Nelson’s class.

        • anon

          Oddly enough they are same size, weight, speed and skin color (maybe i’m a little racist). Jordy is better now but who heard of him before 2012?

          • myeaglescantwin

            he was a 2nd rounder though. They new he’d be at least a slot threat. Aaron Rodgers trust him to make the tough catches. Something that Foles trust Riley to do,,, and DeSean never did.

          • aub32

            You really have a bias against DeSean if you think he never made tough catches.

          • Adam G

            Just wondering, did you scoop an away or home Desean Skins jersey?

          • aub32

            I am not throwing the guy under the bus every chance I get. He was a really good WR for us. People on this board praise Dawkins all the time. He played for another team at one point. DJax is statistically the 4th best WR in Eagles history. He could have become one of the top 2 if not one had he stayed. Why diminish what he did?

          • Adam G

            You do way more than not throw him under the bus. Before last year his numbers were not that good. According to the people actually in football he wasn’t responsible for Riley Cooper getting open. He’s a highly overrated one trick pony who does one thing incredibly well and in the past has been prone to taking plays and whole games off.

          • aub32

            According to football people? You mean according to Maclin. Of course Maclin takes that position. The same thing has been said about him benefitting from DJax for years.
            ….
            You must not pay very close attention if you are one of the people that believes the guy can only run a go route. He’s a very good route runner. Also, go check his numbers again. Put them against some of the other top WRs. The guy has averaged 1000+ yds/season for his career. Yes Kelly helped make up for his 700 yard season, but the guy was on pace for 1100 yards prior to getting injured. He’s been one of the best WRs in the league for over half a decade.

          • anon

            I hate arguing with people that don’t know anything.

          • Adam G

            Really? You need me to site every source from yesterday including this particular site or can you google?

          • anon

            That was exclusively directed at you, but feel free if you’d like. At the end of the day, if you’re a free safety and you see Djax and Cooper running go routes down down either side of the field, which DB are you more likely to help?

            No one is calling Djax megatron, he’s not a possession receiver, but he’s an elite deep threat that has the ability to break a defense.

          • Adam G
          • Adam G

            You live under a rock or just not read anything yesterday? How about Vick, or Chip Kelly or maybe the writers on this site?

          • aub32

            Did you read what was said? I already made my Maclin point. Jenkins said how the safety was shaded toward DJax. Go look at some Mac highlights. Watch as the safety runs straight toward DeSean. The team that just cut DJax for nothing isn’t going to admit that he helped other players produce. I am not saying DJax is Megatron or AJ Green. Teams did not have to actively put 2 guys on him. They did have to pay attention to him. They took a step or two in the wrong direction. They gave larger cushion or turned their hips way too early. That’s so apparent. You just don’t like the player and choose to ignore these things. I have never claimed DeSean to be more than he is. He’s not Marshall or Jones. He is a #1 WR based on his production and ability though, and he’s been the WR on this team for a while.

          • Adam G

            Yes I forgot you know more than Chip Kelly and Michael Vick. Noted.

          • aub32

            I don’t know more than Andy Reid, but I thought it was a pretty dumb idea to make an O line coach your DC. This whole “O so you know more than coach so and so” is such a lazy argument that people use when they have nothing to back their football point. Stop it. You’re embarrassing yourself.

          • Adam G

            Right because Chip Kelly is Andy Reid. Do you seriously think you know more than Chip Kelly? Because THAT would be embarrassing.

          • anon

            Andy Reid has gone to the SB and has a bunch of division titles in his tenure — i’m starting to think you’re a troll. Where’s that All-22 i’m ready for a new topic.

          • Adam G

            Lets look at the stats shall we? Last year, his best year. 9th in total yards, 9th in avg per catch, 14th in TDs, 19th in receptions. 11th in yards per game. One of the best huh?

          • aub32

            What? Ok I’m done. He was top 10 in two of the categories you mentioned. He was top 11 in one and top 15 in another. You do know there are at least 2 starting WRs for all 32 teams right? That means he was a top 10-12 guy out of 64, not including slot receivers. Wow…..just wow.

          • anon

            haha i know right. And that’s in a year where Coop, Celek, and McCoy all had career receiving years in a run first offense.

          • aub32

            I have no idea what he was trying to prove. “let me show you a guy with top 10 stats that’s not a top WR.” What?

          • Adam G

            You’re done? If a guy is 20th in something, it distorts it by saying he was top 20. The way you talk about him you would think he’s top 3. Now if you start diving into numbers and looking at number one wide receivers who actually have decent QBs throwing to him, it starts painting a different picture. One of the best in the league? Come on, that’s a serious serious stretch. Megatron, Dez, AJ Green those guys are the best. He’s not close to one of the best in the league. So you didn’t answer my question, you get a home or away jersey?

          • aub32

            Do you see how many people are baffled by your point? You’re honestly focusing on the one area where he was 20? What about where he is top 10? Please read my posts before you comment. I have explicitly said that DJax is not in the same group as Megatron, Green, and others. He’s still one of the best due to his production and how long he’s been doing it. To answer your question, I have a pro bowl jersey. So there’s no need to switch hahaha

          • myeaglescantwin

            i’m just laughing now.

            GETTEM !!!

          • aub32

            It’s too funny to walk away. I have to stop though. This guy clearly has no idea how to even make a point. I hope you had as good a laugh as I did.

          • Adam G

            So lets play a game, which of these guys would you take Desean over:

            Calvin Johnson
            AJ Green
            Dez Bryant
            Demaryius Thomas
            Antonio Brown
            Alshon Jeffrey
            Brandon Marshall
            Jordy Nelson
            Andre Johnson
            Josh Gordon
            Vincent Jackson

          • aub32

            I would take DeSean over:
            Brown
            Jefferey (in 2014, though I think Jeff will be better later)
            Nelson
            Jackson

          • Adam G

            How about Julio Jones and Sammy Watkins? To say you would take him over Jeffery right now shows your absurd bias. He is an absolute stud and ACTUALLY one of the best in the game. And do me a favor, look at Vincent Jackson’s stats vs Desean. Or Antonion Brown. You are so biased its absurd. You proved my point.

          • aub32

            What? Jones wasn’t on your list silly goose. I would definitely take a healthy Jones over DJax. How can you get on me for not mentioning a guy you left off your list? I want to stop but this is so funny.

          • anon

            Based on your list your conceding that at worst Djax is a top 15 WR in the league? I’m ok with that.

          • Adam G

            I 100% agree. Now I would never say he is one of the best if he is in the neighborhood of 13 or 14, would you? And that would make him middle of the road for number one wideouts, would it not?

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            FWIW, I get your point and 100% agree. Being 9th in the league in two categories one out of six years, and putting up great stats one out of six years, does not make you “one of the best”. He even made the point that he doesn’t put him in the category of Calvin, Dez, Green. Well, if those are the best, and you don’t put DJax in that category, then he’s not one of the best.

          • aub32

            Averaging 1000+ yards over a 6 year career makes him one of the best. Being the first player to ever go to the probowl for two positions makes him one of the best. Last was his best year, but he is still in his prime. He showed the ability to run very crisp routes and make tough catches over the past 2 years. Also, I value consistency. The guy has missed very little time over his 6 years, and though I would choose Dez over him, I still put him in that group. Megatron and AJ Green are two guys I put in a separate category.

          • Adam G

            Again, this shows your absolute man love for Desean. As much as I hate Dallas, Desean is not anywhere near Dez. Not even remotely close. Averaging 1k yards is not a big deal at all. 24 players had over 1k yards last year. He’s not even the best wide receiver on his current team.

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            Averaging 1000 yards a season but only hitting 1000 yds in 3 of those seasons makes him a very good receiver, which is what he is. Being the first player ever to ever go to a fan voted event in two spots is cool, awesome even, but it means as little to me as Foles going to the Pro Bowl last year and winning MVP means to you. Look, I know you love Desean, and we’ve hashed this out before. He’s a very good receiver. 100% above average, no doubt about it. But, he’s not great, nor is he one of the best. When there are players you would without hesitation take over a player, that means he’s not “one of the best”.

          • Eagles4Life

            You’re making absolutely zero sense…where is your math making you think this helps your point???

          • aub32

            Exactly. Whether you like or hate DJax is irrelevant. He’s made the biggest argument against his own point.

          • Adam G

            He said he’s one of the best in the league. Being the 9th best WR at best, is not one of the best. I don’t care how you slice it.

          • aub32

            Every team has at least 5 WRs. There are 32 teams. That means there are at least 160 WRs. That is not including teams that have 6 or guys sitting in FA that will be picked up in the event of an injury. That puts him in the top 5% of WRs. I hope your day job does not involve a lot of math.

          • Eagles4Life

            I’m over here is stitches. This is truly hilarious.

          • Adam G

            You sir are an absolute idiot if you think that gorilla math helps your point. You said one of the best, he is most certainly not. Theres no reason to bring up 8th string wideouts in the league. If that was the case then you could say Nick Foles is one of the best QBs of all time because there have been thousands of QBs in the NFL. I’m so bad at making points, you want me to explain that one for you using numbers or you ok with that?

          • Eagles4Life

            LMAO my man. Adam. Being 9th best in the league means (even if we’re just talking the top 2 on each squad) that he’s better than 86% of his peers. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING!? lolol

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            the very best we had. 82/1300/9 – and our plan to replace him is a running back and a couple of rookies. I’m not happy with that plan.

            long run – it could work, but its a risk. the slandering of DJax (the receiver not the person) strikes me as Trotter-esque.

          • anon

            That was the worst part.

          • John E. Zang

            I hear you with the stats but stats aren’t everything. He acts like a two year old, takes plays off, won’t/can’t do everything a no.1 should, and he’s an overall tool bag and everyone knew it. His career is downhill from here. Once he loses even half a step in speed he’s done because he has no other tools or advantages. And he’s not a disciplined route runner. He’s not the dude you “go to war” with. I don’t consider him a wideout in the classical sense. He’s more of a Tavon Austin with long speed.

          • anon

            Did you look at his route tree this year and where he was effective? You know the bulk of his yards didn’t come from the deep ball he ran a lot of routes.

            I doubt his career will be over RGIII throws a great deep ball, secondaries in the NFC East aren’t that great. You think Djax can’t beat nate allen?

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            Sorry bud, but over half of his yards came from the deeper routes. Tim & Sheil posted the route tree chart back when he was rumored (or right after he was) to be released, and I made the comment then. He ran a more diverse tree for sure, and I agree he’s a better route runner than credited, but he’s still getting over half his yards from the deeper routes.

          • aub32

            I highly disagree with you on route running ability. He has certainly developed in that area. The last 2 years are proof of that.
            ….
            I for one do not begrudge him for 2011. Nnamdi got 60M. Djax was seeing 600K. He’s 170 soaking wet with 2 concussions. He just had to make it one season and he gets 15M+. I will never knock him for what he did for himself and his family.

            If you are referring to blocking, you’re right. He cannot block like a Marshall or White. He does try, and he tries a lot harder than a guy like Maclin. He does produce and takes the attention of every #1 CB. He opens things up for others. He would be the #1 guy on over half the teams in the league. So in my book he’s a #1 WR.

          • Say No to Marc Mo From Easton

            His family? You mean his propensity to blow 50 grand at under ground rap battles because he’s an idiot?

          • Charliefoxtrot

            I think aub32 is right. I just was really bothered by the dudes attitude (MM2 and Dallas games excepted) and the sideline fight with coach at the end of the season was the last straw.

          • Eagles4Life

            One trick pony? C’mon man, you’re better than this. Don’t be petty (and foolish).

          • aub32

            Keep reading his later arguments. He is not better than this.

          • Warhound KnowsHstryWarts&All

            … a whole season…

          • myeaglescantwin

            he diminished what he did when he ragged on us to the Washington Media.

            We didn’t cut him. We cheered him.
            when he admittedly quit because of contract guarantees, he lost the city.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            the anti-Iverson

          • aub32

            I disagree. It was a business decision. I don’t know DeSean. He owes me nothing. Go get your money in WAS and say whatever is going to make those fans cheer for you.

          • Adam G

            As close as he remains to Jackson, Vick doesn’t believe that the Eagles will miss him much. He pooh-poohed the notion that the offense is lesser for Jackson’s absence, that Jackson’s speed on the outside occupied so much of an opposing defense’s attention that other receivers could free themselves more easily. “There’s no truth to that,” Vick said. “What Chip specializes in is finding ways to get guys the ball.”
            Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20140730_eagles_sports.html#ia3F5XMkTAkalYRo.99

          • anon

            What % of #10 jerseys will you see at his first Eagles home game? If McNabb can get a standing O djax definitely will.

            Was listening to a podcast interview with chip he was basically like we don’t have any WRs under 6’0 200lbs. Doesn’t bode well for DJ2.

          • aub32

            I heard that one. I think it was Ross Tucker. Good interview. Sounded like he almost forgot DJ2 was on the roster though. I think he boosted up the size and height of both Mac and Cooper though as to try and make his point.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            Some people take any disagreement with the FO as a personal dis of the franchise. Its like arguing with Dave Spadero.

          • Eagles4Life

            LOL accurate

          • myeaglescantwin

            hashahahahah

          • aub32

            YES!!!

          • myeaglescantwin

            McNabb didn’t dog the fan base 3 days into his new gig.

          • anon

            hahah who do you think was more detrimental to the team vis a vis his attitude?

          • myeaglescantwin

            solid point.

            but who got cut for attitude.

          • myeaglescantwin

            really? why would i be biased against a guy that helped my team win?? i like DeSean, but he was not a #1 type of dude.

            my ‘bias’ against DeSean would be because he never made tough catches. I’m not talking concentration plays like GB last year, or even the Giant Killer punt return.
            I’m talking covered, battle in the air, only one man coming down with the ball catches, all heart play. .

            I think you’re being naive if you think he made those plays.
            or at least throw me a clip that proves me wrong and i’ll never mention it again.

          • aub32

          • myeaglescantwin

            that was a nice catch.
            perfect throw too.

          • aub32

            So will you stick to your word and stop making claims the guy doesn’t make tough catches?

          • myeaglescantwin

            yes, i have haven’t i?
            I’ve been enjoying you taking it to that other dude.

            I won’t mention that play was from 2009 or 10 though. ahhaha

          • aub32

            That play was actually from 2012. See DRC on the sidelines.

          • John E. Zang

            I don’t recall any tough catches actually. Small hands and wasn’t physical enough to be able to.

          • anon

            He had a nice one in the saints game where he got the DB on his back and high pointed the ball, it was his one big play all game, but felt like it got the offense rolling.

          • aub32

            People have very short memories because the guy doesn’t play like Boldin, who has to do that because he can’t get open.

          • anon

            Yeah i guess all those players where he beats the DB and the deep safety and hauls in a 40 yd grab are easy. AR’s offense relied on that djax big play.

            I remember that first pre-season game last year — Vick’s first series, 50 yd td pass to jackson, it was amazing. I’m ok with that being gone in a football sense, but as a fan i loved that stuff. He could be quiet all day then catch a 50 yarder and change the dynamic of the game.

          • JofreyRice

            Unfortunately, it’s like a bunch of other disagreements about things in life, you’ve got two sides that are deeply entrenched in their positions and move reality around to match that position; Forget things, or overly emphasize minor things. I’m so done with this convo.

            We’re going to see how it plays out of the field. My theory is that the Eagles amount of big plays (20-25+) are going to decline, Maclin & the rookies & Mr. Breakout Zach Ertz aren’t going to have the same effect Jackson did. Kelly’s smart enough to make a living without the big play, but at the end of the day, the team was better when he was on the roster.

            Truth is, though, that even after it plays out of the field, the people who are completely dug in are going to find ways to explain the outcome without upsetting their own opinions.

          • aub32

            I agree. I wish he were on the team, but I do think the offense will be successful, just not as successful as it could have been. I also hate letting one of your best players go for nothing. To make matters worse, he has gone to a division opponent, and whether you like Jackson or not he’s better than our CBs.

          • peteike

            confirmation bias, were all guilty

          • aub32

            He had 1250+ in 2011. Most WRs take a little time to get started. He’s had a couple of good years and has been the #1 guy. He doesn’t get enough credit because of his skin color.

          • anon

            yeah meant 2011 — he was fantasy gold for me.

  • JofreyRice

    I dug into PFF”s YAC yardage a little, because this blew me away, as well. Best YAC guys on the Eagles? Predictably, McCoy, with 618 YAC for an eye popping average of 11.9 avg YAC! I figured Desean would be second–and he was, with 489 YAC, total–but by reception, Brent Celek actually generated more than Jackson. Half of Celek’s yardage came after the catch (502 total, 287 YAC). Those little pop passes over the middle that Kelly’s scheme freed him up to catch really added up over the course of the year. Celek averaged 9.0 YAC/Rec, as compared to Jackson’s 6.0, which led the receivers, and was 12th in the league among WR’s. Ertz averaged about 4.8 YAC/Rec, as a comparison. Cooper was right around that area, as well.

    Pretty cool that Kelly was able to get that kind of production out of a guy a lot of us thought would be quietly winding down his career.

    • anon

      Yeah those screens were crazy. TEs always seemed to be ope for screens or like 15yds down field right in the middle of the field.

  • Explorer51

    What Philadelphia pro athlete tanked an entire season because he was pouting about his contract…and admitted it? Fortunately, there is only one that I’m aware of, he’s gone and I don’t care what his stats were; I’m sure he will put up some numbers with his new team, with a small handful of exciting plays, but wait until he doesn’t get his way.

    He has world class speed and very good hands but the things we can’t or didn’t see…the intangibles that Chip Kelly believes are important in building a team…obviously out-weighed the importance of yards and catches.

    • aub32

      Funny how so many people act as if they wouldn’t make the same decision. He’s 170 lbs soaking wet. He was making 600K. He had just come off of 2 back to back concussion seasons. He had to make it through one season to see his big pay day of 15M+. Not to mention Nnamdi got 60M. Babin got paid. Jenkins got paid. Hell, VY got 5M.

      • Adam G

        Can you name another football player that did the same thing out of the hundreds that have been in his position? Exactly.

        • aub32

          Vincent Jackson, who you say is so much better than DeSean, sat out through October in 2010. You really should stop trying.

          • Adam G

            You are such a moron it hurts. Players hold out all the time. Now it takes a special kind of player to give up and basically to tank. Like I asked, name another player who tanked. Exactly.

          • aub32

            There’s no difference in holding out and protecting yourself because you want more money. DJax still had to play to ensure someone would pay him in 2012. Vincent Jackson didn’t. Please o please explain the difference between short arming a catch so that you can see your next contract and holding out? At least one player is actually on the field. He also still happened to be our best WR despite playing it safe.

          • Explorer51

            There’s a big difference; when you hold out you don’t get paid and you also get fined but when you play, even with little effort, you still cash your checks. Also, in 2011, Jackson was third in catches, third in receiving TDs, 2nd in YPG (Maclin was first in those categories btw); the only stat he led the team in was YPC.

            It got bad enough in 2011 that Andy Reid, his biggest supporter and apologist, benched him in the 4thQ for lack of effort in the Pats game then sat him down for missing a team meeting against the Cards. Yeah, but he was short and light and he had two concussions and he was only making $600K…and he admitted tanking the 2011 season. It is interesting that KC and Reid, perhaps the most WR needy team in the NFL, didn’t even give Jackson a sniff when he was a FA.

          • aub32

            I don’t know why you would be surprised that KC didn’t go after Jackson. They don’t have the money. They were going to have to pay Charles. Smith is asking for more money. Also, outside of TO, when did Reid bring in a star WR? For years he had Mcnabb playing with mediocre or less than talent. Btw, Jackson also lead the team in receiving yards in 2011.

          • dnabrice

            That alone probably cost us a couple SB appearances.

          • dnabrice

            No doubt Jackson’s biggest games will be against us this year. They’re the only games he’ll actually have motivation for. He’ll be mediocre for the rest of the season. We’ll win as long as he doesn’t go for 200yds and 3tds in those games.

  • peteike

    “Dallas Cowboys rookie defensive end DeMarcus Lawrence is expected to miss 8 to 12 weeks with a fractured foot. The injury occurred during a Cowboys training camp practice on Tuesday, July 29th.

    If the 8-12 week timetable holds true for Lawrence, it’s worth noting 8 weeks from today is September 24th, and 12 weeks would be October 22nd. So Lawrence could miss anywhere from four to seven games. And that’s not to mention the valuable training camp and preseason time he will be missing as a rookie.

    Lawrence was the Cowboys second round selection in the 2014 NFL Draft. Dallas traded the Nos. 47 and 78 overall picks to move up 13 spots to grab Lawrence.”

    and it keeps getting worse, snicker snicker (not at injured player but boys of course)

    • aub32

      Actual response from a cowboy fan when I mentioned the news:
      “We coming in waves so we will be ok
      I’m ok with injuries, I understand they happen. As long as they arent season ending
      He will come back and give us a boost in a critical part of the season. He has more time to get the mental part down and run with it once he does get time. I hope they put him on the pup list so he will have more time to practice before he plays in a game.”

      I really do feel sorry for them.

      • peteike

        truly optimistic bunch they are. To be fair I guess every fan base is at this time of year

        • aub32

          I don’t know. I know a few Jaguar fans. I don’t think they have any delusions that they will be making an unprecedented run.

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          huge difference between optimistic and clueless. it’s optimistic to think Ertz can make jump, there’s historical reasoning and some stats. those clowns think because McClain puts on the star helmet he’s going to be the player raiders hoped when drafted.

      • peteike

        waves, haha, whos he kidding

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        they’ve actually selling calling dline ‘the rushmen’, grouping them all together, like 10 deep. and those clueless fans are buying into it. if there’s little difference between your 1st and 8th DL, you are screwed

  • peteike

    “Earl Wolff getting first team reps at safety with Malcolm Jenkins” good sign