McNabb On Foles: Be Ready For the Boos

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Donovan McNabb thinks the Eagles will repeat as NFC East champs, but he believes expectations for Nick Foles might be a tad high going into 2014.

“I’m just a little worried if he can do it for a full season,” McNabb said during a roundtable discussion on Fox Sports 1. “I’m just worried about that aspect, not so much of his health, but can you be consistent like what we saw last year? We’ve seen so many quarterbacks give us one  year of greatness, and then all of a sudden they can’t live up to the expectations. I’m not saying he can’t do that in that offense, but I think expectations are a little bit too high for Nick Foles.




"When you're in command of an offense like that, the confidence is so high going into this offseason about Nick Foles, instead of the offense. Guys remember that. Guys have that in mind going into workouts, and they're hearing so much about the quarterback. But for Nick Foles, he’s never truly been a guy where the focus is on him. In Philadelphia, the focus is on the quarterback. If he can’t do the same things he did in that first season, it’s gonna be tough."

After host Joel Klatt jokingly asked McNabb how he would know, the former Eagles quarterback said: "Yeah, I know. Just be ready for the boos."

While he's unsure about what Foles will do in 2014, McNabb sees the Eagles as the favorite in the division.

"I think this is the year that they repeat," he said. "...What Chip Kelly has been able to do and the way that defense played in the last eight games of the season, I think they feed off of that going into this season."

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  • DirtyWaters

    I wish the eagles could issue a gag order.

  • Phyxius

    Half of Philly already booed Foles during that weird performance against Dallas. Hell, they were ready to ship him off.

    • ChandlerMc

      Remember he was possibly playing that game with a mild concussion. Whatever it was, it was the exception not the rule.

  • Joe Thomas

    McNabb is right. If Foles struggles, they will boo. Most fans already forgot, this is a 3 year plan.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      i was ready to acept it was a 4 or 5 yr plan 16 months ago. kelly/howie shot that in the tuckus with all they’ve done.

  • tomw

    “We stunk” We deserved to be boo’d” Tom Brady when asked about the booing fans.

    • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

      And that’s from Brady, who’s the biggest baby there is on the field with the whining for calls etc. Makes Donnie’s remarks all the more telling about how much of a baby he really is.

      • aub32

        How is he a baby by saying get ready for the boos? He didn’t say fans shouldn’t or don’t have the right to boo.

        • OldDuckMcDoc

          I don’t really have an issue with anything he said. People seem hung up on the “boos” line as though McNabb was moaning about being booed but when you hear it in context it’s pretty clear it was said jokingly.

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            Can’t say I heard the context, which would clearly affect my impression on his comments that I’ve only seen in plain text.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            A lot of it is reaction to the messenger as much as the message, as well as some of the subtle jabs at Nick. I mean, the guy has been rubbing fans the wrong way for the last 6 years or so. At this point, nothing he says is going to get the benefit of the doubt, and I’m not sure there’s anything wrong with that.

            He often acted as though he were being persecuted. It’s become a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point.

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            There’s a chicken and egg thing there though. Some people expect him to whine so they assume he always is. In this case he’s openly laughing when he makes the boos comment.

            It’s clear he isn’t sold on Foles as a franchise QB but that’s reasonable enough I’d have thought. We’re all still working off relatively limited evidence on that front so I don’t mind anyone who says they still need to see more.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            Chicken and egg for this quote, absolutely. That’s pretty close to what I was saying when I said the reaction was as much to the messenger as the message.

            Chicken and egg in the big picture, I don’t think so. He could have had the city in the palm of his hand, but he just said the wrong thing in the wrong way so consistently that it just hasn’t been possible. And I don’t think there’s anyone to blame but Donnie for that. That’s the point I’m trying to make with this post. DMac’s unpopularity isn’t the product of a good guy handling a tough city imperfectly, it’s the product of a guy who’s been so unlikeable that a city of fans who really, really wanted to love him are simply unable to do so.

            I do think that if he ever shuts up, the football memories will outlast the personality memories and he can be a popular figure in Philly.

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            I’d disagree with that to some degree. He was a guy who never seemed to fully understand the concept of a soundbite, so when he’s given a forum to talk for five or ten minutes he inevitably says something that makes good headline fodder. This would be a prime example of a segment where he spends 90% of the time being overwhelmingly positive about Chip Kelly, the offence and the team in general, but it’s a throwaway line said while laughing that makes the headline, and it’s far from the only example of this.

            Certainly he’s been overly sensitive at times and deserves his share of the blame for how he’s viewed but it’s not a one way street.

          • aub32

            I definitely agree here. I think most people only read headlines or what’s in bold and go with that narrative.

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            My thinking on McNabb will always be guided by:

            1. Listen to opinions of people who played/worked with him.
            2. Look at character of his critics – TO, Fred Ex, Shawn Andrews.
            3. Look at character of advocates – Dawk, #36, Garcia, Lewis, Mahe, Reid etc.

            Adjust thinking accordingly.

          • aub32

            Great point on the character of his detractors vs. his supporters. I never even thought of that.

          • fran35

            Along those same lines…..One could make the argument that it was pretty telling how many teammates came to his defense during the TO mess.

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            Don’t remember many players being vocal either way at the time, but the thing about high character guys is that when you have a situation like that they won’t do their talking through the press.

            Plenty of good guys seem happy to step up and vouch for Donovan today even though they have nothing to gain by doing so.

            T.O. eh…..not so much.

        • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

          He’s a baby because he couldn’t handle all the boos. It hurt his cottonelle soft ego.

        • tomw

          He brings it up because?

  • Neanderthal

    Wasn’tnea there a old eagles player with a name like that? Donavon Mcgag or something?

    Seriously, Donny mac was best we ever had , but man, he never got us. Always the passive aggressive. “in that offence” is what your saying that Nicky is really that good,it is the system, Please , please Nicky , win us a SB so we can shut everyone up for good.

    • 370HSSV 0773H

      If Foles has success, McNabb will say it’s the system that won, not the QB.

      • John E. Zang

        I’ve never seen a quarterback or any athlete complain so much. And to be mentally scarred about a “few” drunk eagle fans booing because they wanted Ricky Williams during draft day when you’re simultaneously becoming a very rich man says a lot about why he didn’t qualify for a championship.

        • MagatBrackendale

          Let’s not forget that those few drunken “fans” were made into an international story by the drooling press. I knew about it, in another country, 3000 miles away. At the time. I really thought that there were thousands booing, from the “news’ stories.

  • PhillySean

    I predict this thread ends up at something something something Santa Claus.

    • Kevin

      I wish we had spring football… Always thought the Easter Bunny was overrated and we could throw eggs.

  • TNA

    sour grapes…and seriously, how easy is this guy, and his short arm throws onto receivers’ feet, to boo?
    that said, bring the criticism and doubters on. the more the better. Please, no Dream Team-esque commentary. Just let this team play and put its product on the field for better or worse.

  • NCBiRDMann22

    Talk about a dude that’s so insecure… Dude needs to give it up already with crying over the past. Foles doesn’t need any advice from a cry baby. If you suck and I payed my hard earned dollars to watch you…You will rightfully hear the boo birds!

    • anon

      For a guy that was so good his personality makes him so unlikeable.

      • NCBiRDMann22

        He could become the first player to be retired and comes back to show face in the stadium to find himself receiving searing boos! Keep it up Chunky Soup5…A can of boostroganoff may come flying from the stands!

        • anon

          I’m surprised he wasn’t booed at his induction.

        • Travis Papa

          Terry Bradshaw has an awful relationship with the Steelers. He had as much success as any player ever had for a team and it’s still an icy bad relationship. He seems like a fun likable guy but can’t get over the divorce from the Steelers. He didn’t even attend Chuck knolls funeral. McNabb would have to go a long way to get there but I’m sure he will try.

  • Eagledelphia

    I mean I’d agree with expectations currently being too high

    • anon

      Higher expectations Foles or Jordan Matthews?

      • Eagledelphia

        That’s a tough one but Id say Foles because Matthews will at least get the rookie excuse if he struggles but Foles is coming off a monster season and a lot of fans are expecting something close to that performance

  • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

    Foles has heard all the booing already. Between all the Vick fans who just booed him because he wasn’t a running QB and then the Dallas clunker. Plus, we’re a fan base that defines “what have you done for me lately?”, and usually lately = this week. So, he’s already heard it, and he probably knows he’ll hear it again. The best thing about Foles is he’s going to tell us the exact same thing, that he’s going to work to get better, because he’s never content.

    • aub32

      I don’t think that’s the same. Foles never really got booed. I wasn’t on the Foles train last year and thought the Dallas game was a sign of things to come. I was obviously wrong, but I never booed Foles. I didn’t expect him to be that good. Now there are expectations, especially from those who bought in well before I did. He won’t have the rookie or 2nd year player excuse that fans were leaning of his kept using the past two years. I have seen people on this board call him a great QB, and though I think you can’t be a great QB before playing a full season as a starter, the expectations are clearly very high for him. So if he were to have a bad game or even a string of very mediocre games, then I think a section of the fan base will be highly disappointed and start to think of him as a Matt Flynn or Cassel guy.

      • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

        I mean, I remember watching the Dallas game and there were a bunch of boos, bet it at him directly or the team I don’t know, but he’s part of the team so he’s heard it. Plus, he’s heard it in 2012… Either way, I’ve been on the wagon since he took over in 2012 and even I know he’s not a great QB, but he’s definitely off to a good start to becoming one. He’ll get booed because we have idiot fans, but I think overall he’s mentally tough enough to deal with it and not let it affect him. Something Donnie could never do.

        • aub32

          I wasn’t saying he hasn’t heard boos, but I don’t think the majority of the fan base ever blamed him. 2012 was clearly not his fault. He was a 3rd round rookie starting for a team that was doing terrible in every facet of the game. Last year, many still did not have any expectations of him or made valid excuses for him i.e. 2nd year/ new system etc. This year is different. So many fans on here and elsewhere claim he’s underrated. I know firsthand and being berated several times just because I am not all in on the guy yet. If he were too struggle, many fans are going to turn on him and directly at him. That’s not to say he can’t handle the boos. McNabb never suggested that Foles couldn’t handle the boos. He just said to be ready for them.

      • tomw

        He got bood big time in the Dallas game. Were you one of the Vick people ,hoping he fails ?

        • aub32

          I never hoped he failed. That’s silly. Nick failing means the team failing. If Nick goes down, I do not hope Sanchez fails. However, I do not expect much either. That’s how I was with Nick. I expected more than I would of Sanchez today, but I did not think he could be as good as he was last year.

    • Eagles4Life

      On the money with this one. I definitely remember the boo birds being out during that Dallas game. That’s all part of the fan base, even though we sometimes over do it. Is what it is, though.

  • Andy Six Score and Four

    Similar situation when what’s his name said Foles was overrated. What exactly are the expectations that are “too high”?

    Depending on what Donnie thinks the expectations are, it might be a reasonable statement. But then, knowing Donnie, that doesn’t seem terribly likely.

  • 370HSSV 0773H

    As usual, McNabb has to take a swipe at us mean and horrible Eagles fans.

    He forgets the fans gave him a 3 minute standing ovation when he came back as a Redskin.

  • Kev_H

    Personality-wise, McNabb couldn’t be more different. He wanted the attention and became satisfied with himself too early. He brought his play to where he was in the Pro Bowl conversation and never got any better. When Foles fails, I doubt he’ll get defensive about it and I’m sure he’ll come back with full effort.

  • cliff h-MOAR white goons

    McNabb is my all-time favorite player, heck my dog was cremated with his #5 jersey, but i never ever listened to him. probably should change ‘is’ favorite to ‘was’, Dawkins has easily passed him. it’s really a shame McNabb couldnt or wouldnt embrass city like #20, but the longer he stays a talking head, the less i can remember him at QB.

    • NCBiRDMann22

      Makes you wonder if Big Red had to cuddle and nurture his ego behind the scenes for years…talk about exhausting.

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        messenger is a raving lunatic, TO, but doesnt mean he was off-pont…see jose conseco. Trotter has said some not-so-geat things about #5 too. think back to then, mcnabb/reid/eagles were all 1, can see how players just had to keep inline or pushed out by a heavy handed Banner.

        • NCBiRDMann22

          I just kick myself every time I think of what WAS when TO was playing with that cry baby jackass. That interview with Mike Miss the other day when Charles Barkley was on told me all I needed to know about Don5…what could have been?!

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            out of towner here…what did Chuck say?

          • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

            In-towner here and didn’t hear it either. I’d also like to know.

          • Explorer51

            The free 97.5 app has the TO interview with Barkley and Missanelli in their “on demand” link.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            Basically said that Don is a nice guy and all but he is too sensitive. Pretty much called him a butthurt. I do suggest you go and listen to the interview. You will not be disappointed!

          • MagatBrackendale

            One should use a little caution, however, when enjoying Sir Charles’ little chats. He is getting paid by the laugh nowadays.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            I would implore you to take some time out and really listen to what Charlie’s had to say. Just because the man has a sense of humor doesn’t mean the things he talks about have no correlation to rational thinking. In fact I would argue that a lot of what Charles speaks on is spot on and speaks to a lot of what is wrong/going wrong with the people in our society. As you were…

      • Bird of Prey

        Maybe Big Red created that ego by nurturing and cuddling him too much. Before the T.O. debacle in 05, he was a workout warrior doing his best to make the team better with receivers that would have been on the practice squad on other teams. After that disastrous year, he seemed entitled and ever spoiled. When he got to the Redskins he was constantly called out for his lack of effort and conditioning. In Minnesota, he passed the ball so badly Mark Schlerreth openly wondered if he was actually right handed. People forget how much of a beast he was. I just hope he doesn’t “Tiki Barber” himself befoe we get to him.

    • JofreyRice

      I really try to avoid listening to these guys at all, I really just try to focus on the players on the field, but McNabb goes out of his way to show you what a whiny, passive-aggressive jackass he is–you can’t *not* see it.

    • eaglesfan, 20-win failure

      his premature return to the Linc was the final death knell for his legacy in Philly.

      • NCBiRDMann22

        Ironic use of verbage too…#5 will always love you…couldn’t have been further from reality

        • dnabrice

          I think he meant it.

    • Explorer51

      I, too, was always a McNabb fan; I always thought if Andy wasn’t so damn stubborn about upgrading the WR talent (with the sole exception of TO for a year), Donovan may have gotten us a championship. But he is really clumsy and awkward in his role as an analyst, often saying things in a way that would have irritated him as a player. For example, the way he refers to Foles “in that offense” would have rankled McNabb the QB in Reid’s offense.

      Let’s just hope that he doesn’t become a color analyst for one of the nets broadcasting the games…you know they would assign him the Eagles on an almost weekly basis!

      • Rockedupeaglesfan

        Agreed. One of McNabb’s major flaws when he was still good, was that he wouldn’t open up. It was like he started interviewing for his retirement gig as an analyst the day he came into the league out of Syracuse. Then he became more annoying as his skills eroded, and now it’s like he’s completely forgotten how sensitive he was as a player.

    • Charliefoxtrot

      I always thought if you could get Dawks intensity into Mc Nabb we’d have two rings at least. His silliness just drove me up the wall, and if you think how he never accepted blame/owned up to his failures, coupled with the thinnest skin ever seen (most athletes would feed off the booing at the draft-Donnie just internalized it) he’s the essence of immaturity.

      To be honest I’ve grown to loathe #5. The jersey retirement was the worst, he came off looking so completely fake.

      • dnabrice

        Don’t know that Foles has Dawks intensity either. That doesn’t mean I don’t think we can win a big one with him. People get things done all kinds of different ways using their different personalities.

        • Kev_H

          Foles seems pretty intense to me.

  • JofreyRice

    booooooooooooo! you suck, McNabb!

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      he does today. such a shame.

  • eaglesfan, 20-win failure

    have to agree that the expectations are high but i wouldn’t expect to hear any Sanchez/Barkley/Kinne chants if Foles struggles. He’s coming off an amazing season in a unique system and his work ethic and team-first attitude will buy him some leniency in this town.

  • FluxCapacitor

    Everybody is all up in arms because he said “get ready for the boos”? Seriously? If we, as a fan base, didn’t take pride in booing people I could understand. But, we all know it’s a matter of time – even if Nick is an All Pro and wins a SB – if he has a bad game or two people will boo him…it’s ridiculous.

    • joe

      Um, no. Whichever QB wins us our first SB will be a God in Philly and no one will ever boo him.

      • FluxCapacitor

        You would like to think so, but I highly doubt it. If fans boo’d the best 3rd basemen of all time, among others across all major sports after winning Championships, nobody is untouchable. I understand Philly is a football town – but it is what it is.

        • peteike

          yup, see Phillies. Rollins and Howard should be heroes lest we forget it was a 30 year drought. Also, McNabb cant just spout pro Eagles BS all day when hes an analyst.

      • Kev_H

        There are two people who are more individually responsible for Philadelphia titles than anyone else: Moses Malone and Cole Hamels. Hamels was booed the next season.

      • MagatBrackendale

        Nonsense. Bradshaw quarterbacked Steeler teams to FOUR Superbowls, yet a small segment of “fans” hung him in effigy while the team was growing and never apologized after the fact.

    • tomw

      We have to put up with the “Yellow journalism” from all over the country, about the eagles fans. We don’t need it from a player who got many more cheers than boos

    • Eagles4Life

      That’s my question. He said if the guy struggles, the fans will boo. It’s a true statement! Why is everyone so sensitive about Philly being such a reactionary fan base? lol

  • myeaglescantwin

    Tellya what, if Foles plays air guitar, throws rockets to guys 5 ft away, and tries skipping the ball to WRs on out routes,
    I will definitely boo.

    • Amar, CB who bought in

      Or slowly breaks the huddle and takes a brisk walk to the line of scrimmage in the SuperBowl when we are down 14-24.

      • myeaglescantwin

        you know what i never got?,

        All we ever were fed was the BS of his Arizona pre-season camps with the WRs. yet every year it looked like he was out of shape coming into camp.

        he was walking in the super bowl because he was winded in that heat. That’s also the same reason he barfed in that game.

      • PhillySean

        Omg, don’t get me started. I was always amazed at the lack of get fired up and make something happen that McNabb and Reid seemed to exude. How many freakin 4th quarters did they wait until the final two possessions to start acting like time might be an issue? It was the dead opposite of say Seth Joyner going in and relieving a QB of the football.

      • TNA

        The best account of that incident came from coach Belichick. He looked up at the scoreboard and then asked his assistant if the scoreboard had the wrong amount of time left in the game.

  • Ian Farley

    Even though he is probably the best QB in Eagles history, he couldn’t be more disliked for comments like this. He will just never get over not being welcomed at the draft. very sad to see a grown man act like such a baby. Can’t say that I am surprised however.

  • Tim

    Passive Aggression, the Donovan McNabb way.

  • Charliefoxtrot

    I say boo Foles so we can get a 9TD game out of him the next week!

  • CJK227

    Go home, 5…you’re drunk.

  • Dreday410

    As an Eagles fan for 20+ years let me tell you…IF Nick Foles brings Eagles thier first SuperBowl within the next 2 years….FOLES legacy will be 2x bigger then McNabb’s just of that alone

  • ia

    Sounds like McNabb is afraid of becoming second best Eagles QB ever.
    His ego cannot handle the idea of not being nr.1
    So talk Foles down.

    • John E. Zang

      Mcnabb is hard to like. I used to cheer for him until I realized what a baby he was. He was the bosses son basically for his entire tenure. We would’ve been better off with another qb. I actually think we would’ve won the Super Bowl if he weren’t behind center. He threw some crucial int’s and never could muster a comeback drive even with arguably the greatest receiver in the NFL.

  • ia

    McNabb be ready for the booze

  • Max Lightfoot

    Truly great (at times) QB, but what a whiner!

  • Skdamc Da Partystarter

    This entire thread is a testament to how vastly overrated the intelligence of the “Philly Sports Fan” is.

    • Wayne Yeager

      No, you just don’t get it. He’s the best QB in franchise history and everyone realizes that, but he’s got his panties in a bunch over a bunch of drunk idiots on draft day. And he’s an insecure, passive aggressive person that held the fan base at arm’s length his entire career over it. It’s a shame, because fans in Philly are so hungry to connect with their stars. Hell, freakin’ JAWS is beloved here. It’s a shame McNabb couldn’t connect the same way.

      • aub32

        What did he say wrong. Fans are upset over nothing. If he said something against the fans then I could see why they would be upset. Yet the fact fans are outraged for no reason indicates that Philly fans aren’t as rational as they want the world to believe.

        • Wayne Yeager

          I don’t think anyone is outraged. It’s more of McNabb fatigue – just go away already.

          To me, it’s not the booing comment, I don’t care about that. But his other comments are made in his signature, passive aggressive manner that we came to know while he was here: taking subtle jabs a Foles by using phrases like “in an offense like that.”

          I understand – there’s a group of fans that don’t see that. I don’t know how, but whatever….it’s too bad.

          • aub32

            Foles is not Brady or Manning. There are a lot of “experts” that think Foles is only successful due to the system. Is McNabb not allowed to have an opinion other than positive because he played in Philly. Jaws ripped Foles and Kelly. I didn’t see near the backlash on that. Philly fans deserve McNabb. They are as sensitive as they claim him to be.

          • Wayne Yeager

            You’re right. We’re all delusional haters.

            Look, taken in a vacuum, he’s comments aren’t a big deal. But let’s not pretend this isn’t the norm for him. It’s CLASSIC McNabb. And most of us just want him to go away for a few years and let us forget what an unlikable guy he is.

          • aub32

            His actions on the field brought more joy than his words have caused frustration. I am all for ripping the guy for saying something dumb, but fans can’t act butthurt every time he says something neutral, then have the nerve to call him sensitive.

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            McNabb makes joke about being booed.

            Fans wail about McNabb being overly sensitive.

            Irony.

            Weird that people see his (prefectly reasonable) comments on Foles as passive aggressive hating when he’s actually far more dismissive of DeSean, and on much ropier ground with what he says on that one.

            And again, he’s overwhelmingly positive about Kelly and the eagles in that segment.

  • Kev_H

    Here’s how you know Foles is already more “money” than McNabb ever was (and why). If Foles’ first 16 games went like McNabb’s, he would have been banished to the bench, waiting years for an opportunity that might never come. When you are the second pick in the draft, you don’t have any game or short series of games, where if you don’t show promise, you will automatically be branded as sub-par.

    What if Foles’ first three starts last year he went 50-92, 462 yards, 2 TDs and 3 INTs and the team went 1-2 (those are the outcomes for McNabb’s first three games in 2000, his second season)?

    For more perspective, during McNabb’s rookie season he completed 49% of his 216 passes and his yards per attempt was 4.39. So he was check-down Charlie, but inaccurate on even his checkdown passes. The pressure is on a third round pick like Foles, to do something when he gets his chance. He doesn’t have the luxury of knowing he can stink for a year or two (or even more) and still be in the picture.

    So, really, McNabb never had to perform in that type of do-or-die situation until he was too old, and it is reflected in his record. He was a great QB, but when the chips were down, he got a little nervous.

    • aub32

      Whoa whoa whoa. Someone is clearly not seeing clearly. First off Foles hasn’t done anything in any high pressure situations. McNabb lost in some big games. I will give you that, but what has Foles really done. He put up some great stats with better weapons than McNabb had early in his career. However, he barely beat Kyle Orton when facing the worst defense in football last year. He struggled and lost in the only playoff game. He has yet to win a single game against a playoff team. I am omitting GB because they are not a playoff team without Rodgers. I think you may be caught up in the moment just a bit.

      • Kev_H

        So, you don’t think it is a high pressure situation when your career is on the line? Is there any higher pressure situation?

        What rubs me the wrong way is when analysts act like Foles just walked in and everything was easy, when he got to where he is the hard way. Where would Foles be today and would we even be talking about him if he laid an egg against the Raiders?

        Watch at the end of the season. You see the same supposedly knowledgeable analysts acting surprised when some team who is out of it and has “nothing to play for” knocks off a team jockeying for playoff position. Totally clueless. Who had more to play for on an individual, player-by-player level, when the Eagles played the Vikings in late December 2010? I’d say the Vikings, who were playing for jobs or to put what they can do on film to either impress their new coach (Frazier) or get an opportunity elsewhere. The Eagles were 10-4 (never did win another game that year), were playing for playoff seeding and everyone was already pretty happy with their stats. Most of those guys were safe, win or lose.

        Who had more to play for in that game, Vick or Webb? I would argue that the only reason Joe Webb is still in the league in 2014 is because of how well he played in that game.

        • aub32

          The Raiders sucked. They couldn’t even win 6 games. And if you are putting Foles on the same level or above after last season then you are definitely making things easy. The guy has had one great string of games. I say string of games because he didn’t play the entire season. DEN, KC, SD all 3 teams were in the playoffs. Foles did not face a single one.

          I can’t agree with your Viking example. That game had very odd circumstances. It was played on a Tuesday. A change like that can have all kinds of effects on a team, especially a team we learned later that was lacking in discipline. Webb is in the league because he’s an athlete. If that game meant anything then why was he getting reps as a WR?

          • Kev_H

            Yeah, you just don’ get it. It doesn’t matter who the opponent is. What would have happened if Nick Foles played every game in 2012 like he played in his first start against the Redskins? He wouldn’t have had as many starts.

            What is so hard to understand that you have to misdirect– McNabb never had to play a game (or a few games) where his career was on the line until he was in his thirties, without facing that pressure, which Foles has already faced and overcome, he didn’t have the competitive, win at all costs, edge. No matter the outcome, he already was the highest paid Eagle ever before he took a snap and he was always going to have at least 3 seasons to establish what he could do and was never under pressure. In fact, Reid made sure there was never any legitimate back up to ensure McNabb felt no pressure.

            Look at Barkley. He, arguably, showed more promise than McNabb his first three games. He completed over 60% of his passes and got the ball down the field better and looked more comfortable- he also threw 4 picks. McNabb played it safe, but he scrambled around looking lost and basically threw short, safe passes and missed on most of them. No big deal for McNabb. He knew his career wasn’t in jeopardy and he already had millions in the bank. Barkley might never get in a game again. Note Barkley didn’t play against any good teams, but if he had 4 TDs instead of 4 INTs in his opportunities, he might be starting or in a quarterback battle this summer.

          • aub32

            What? Foles was never playing for his career. Foles got to compete for a starting spot in only his 2nd year as a 3rd round QB selection. That doesn’t happen often. By the way, he lost that competition. He then got a chance against Dallas. He was awful in that game. Vick couldn’t stay healthy. So Foles kept getting chances. He eventually made the most of them, and I commend him for doing so. However, let’s not act like he came in and outplayed the starter from day one. Nor did he ever face the potential for getting cut. Let’s be honest. Had Vick stayed healthy and made the playoff, what would have happened to Foles? He’d be making the exact same amount of money playing for the Eagles as Vick’s backup for another year and would have been given another shot when either Vick got injured or was let go. Foles never faced this imagined football mortality that you keep bringing up. Nor did he flourish every time he was given an opportunity. You are making things up and ignoring facts just to make some point about players being desperate.

          • Kev_H

            And why did he get to compete for a starting spot? Thanks for making my point. In 2012 Mike Vick was injured for a few games, Foles came in and played well enough to be named starter for the rest of the season by Reid on December 3rd. What he did the rest of the season was good enough to put him in the conversation the next year.

            If he would have stunk it up in the three games prior to December 3, 2012, he would have went back to the bench. End of story. If he would have stunk it up the three games after December 3rd, he wouldn’t have had a chance to compete in 2013. End of story. If he would have stunk it up in his first four of five games last year, he would have went straight to the bench. End of story.

            McNabb didn’t have anything close to an end of story game or short series of games until his 11th year. Agreed? Or more diversions?

          • aub32

            Yes he would have been on the bench. I said that. However, he would not have been cut. He was not playing for his NFL life. If your point is that players make the most of opportunities when given a chance, then fine I agree. That’s a given. If your point is Foles faced some crazy daunting task that no player has ever had to step up and do then hahaha. Foles di ok, and I stress ok against the worst and 3rd worst defense in the league, one of which he played twice. He was in a high volume offense that shifted to throwing a lot more screens once he took over. The OC said the offense was changed for Foles. So yes he got a chance. He earned the right to compete with Vick. Good job Foles. What did he do then? He lost that competition, which is something you somehow keep omitting. He then got another chance in season when Vick went down. He beat the Giants, but he had a double digit lead coming into the game. He beat Tampa and looked really good. (We would later find out that team was terrible and had all types of coaching problems.) Then came the real test. He has a division game against the Cowboys that was for 1st place in the NFCE. He wet the bed. He stunk. However, he got another chance later and we all know what happened next. So again I ask what’s your point. What did Foles do that shows he’s someone who has had so much pressure. I could easily argue McNabb had more pressure to prove he was a better pick than Ricky Williams and the other 2 QBs selected high in the first round. Now tell me how I am diverting the point, if you ever had one to begin with.

            So there’s no confusion I am referring to when Foles played WAS and TB in 2012 when I said he was ok.

          • Kev_H

            That’s a troll comment there on Webb. He is a quarterback. He is listed on the Panthers’ roster at QB. He caught 6 passes for 42 yards in four years. That’s not a compelling reason to bring a guy in as QB. What don’t you understand about examples? I could have went with Eagles at Vikings this year or drew something from other teams. If you have problems with examples, just stick to the general points-

            QBs not picked to be franchise QBs get very few opportunities to play and when they do they MUST produce, that is a pressure a 1st round pick doesn’t face.

            Most players in the NFL have brief careers and few opportunities. The ones who have “arrived” don’t have the same pressure or urgency. It’s one of the reasons Vick last winter said he didn’t enjoy Kelly’s “win the day” mentality. He had ‘arrived’ and thought he should be able to coast. In those late season mismatches, those who are fighting to make the most of their rare opportunity have more to play for than those who feel they have arrived. I don’t care if they play on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday.

            You haven’t addressed the main points. You have just misdirected by nitpicking the examples.

          • aub32

            I have no problem with examples. I love and use examples all the time. I disagreed with the one you brought and gave valid reasons why. I did not say Webb is a WR. I said he’s an athlete. He’s being kept in the NFL because he has NFL ability and is willing to do whatever necessary to play in the NFL. There are many guys like that. However that doesn’t make them any more desperate than a 1st round pick. Btw, backups don’t just get to perform in games. They can perform In practice. Coaches see a great deal more than us. How many backup QBs are cut then become stars? Teams trade or keep guys like that because they saw it in practice.

  • MyOwnDamnBusiness

    man mcnabb continues to lose respect from me. Every year he has some to say and what he says is never positive. if he feels this way he should help foles learn to deal with boos if they happen. instead of saying its going to happen and good luck when they come. mcnabb just won the BITTER MAN OF THE YEAR AWARD yet again!!

  • aub32

    Some of you are showing exactly why Philly fans are viewed as hostile. All the guy said is there will be boos. When isn’t there? What did he say that was so bad. Every fan base boos. Yet you guys are trying to grab your torches and pitchforks. Then you wonder why the Santa Claus stuff is mentioned every other week.

    • Andy Six Score and Four

      While I was going back and forth with Ross earlier about McNabb’s history in this city, I do agree whole-heartedly that the posts in this thread are completely disproportionate to what was actually said. And has been pointed out already, what is a relatively harmless quote in text is even more so if you watch the clip. The “boos” comment wasn’t even noteworthy when I watched it.

      He did misfire when he defended the release of Jaccson by saying that Foles didn’t throw deep often (inaccurate), and he missed several opportunities to remind Moss that teams were already keeping a safety in the box against Eagles all last year. But those are small potatoes.

      Like I said, I think the reaction is more about dislike of the messenger than the message.

  • TheGhostofNormVanBrocklin

    I used to love McNabb during his playing days but this line is telling to me: “In Philadelphia, the focus is on the quarterback.” Now, maybe I’m over-analyzing here, but…In every NFL city the QB is the biggest focus because it’s a QB-driven league but in NO other NFL city is the fan base more knowledgeable about the sport in general and the focus is NOT on the QB as it is in other cities – it’s on the entire team. And with this team the focus is as much on the coach as it is any one player. Just further proves to me that McNabb really never did get this city or it’s fan base. That’s kinda sad in a way.

    • aub32

      I think every fanbase thinks that they are the most knowledgeable fanbase. This site is great, but try checking others. There are some dumb Philly fans out there. Also, the QB definitely gets more focus. How many people were blaming Vick in 2011 and 2012 while Juan Castillo was making defensive calls? Last year’s entire camp and preseason was about who was going to be the QB? Rarely did we talk about other positions.

      • OldDuckMcDoc

        I think every fanbase thinks that they are the most knowledgeable fanbase.

        Yeah, I don’t think there’s a fanbase out there that’s ever said “well, we’re pretty smart, but on balance those other guys in Cityvillopolis are more knowledgeable than us”.

        It’s not like there isn’t evidence to suggest Donovan’s point (that fans are being a bit too optimistic) has merit….

        http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Survey_says_Eagles_fans_wildly_optimistic.html

        • aub32

          “Cityvillopolis” Love it!

      • TheGhostofNormVanBrocklin

        I clearly remember Juan Castillo taking a ton of blame and Andy Reid taking even more for making an offensive line coach a D Coordinator.

        Every fan base has some idiot fans. Everyone also knows that. I live in the epicenter of the universe where Patriots, Giants and Jets fans all merge. You want some ignorant fan bases? Why don’t you try to spend some time up here for a season or two and maybe you’ll appreciate what you’ve got a little more.

  • Soybot

    Shut the F up Donny, you’re out of your element!!

    • Lake

      Good one.

  • EricMontana

    As soon I saw the headline, I was immediately looking forward to the comments.

  • Tim

    But.. Number 5 still loves me, right?

  • Joseph

    McNabb was the biggest crybaby in Philly sports. When the Eagles (not him) got booed on draft day, when Limbaugh (correctly) said that he was over-rated; when T.O. said that the team would have more wins with Favre, all you heard was wailing from McNabb. When the Eagles offered to him (an untried rookie) a record $50 million contract, he pulls the race card, until the offer is upped to $56M for an initial 7-year contract. Yes Donovan, we remember all that. Now go and fall into oblivion somewhere.

    • MagatBrackendale

      Sheesh. A guy makes a comment about unrealistic expectations and you go into a whole hate-filled rant! About the past.

    • Lake

      Okay. So about your anger issues…

  • Jay Kalinowski

    I think DonnieFootball5 (Donovan MacNubb) meant BE READY FOR THE BOOZE!!

  • Chris GotGame Garwood

    I hope Foles does great……that will make McPuke….puke…….again

  • Mike J

    Still can’t believe they “retired” #5…

  • Mr. T

    Hmmmm mcnabb must be a lil jealous or he is afraid foles wont choke in a superbowl like he did oh wait nah he puked! Go Eagles!

  • Lake

    Playing ball in this town is like having your body, brains, and soul put under a microscope. The collective fan base (and most of the media) needs to deal with their doubts and fears with the help of a shrink. This young QB is being pushed, prodded, fingered, flipped, adored, antagonized, squealed over, and squeezed. He must feel like a close up of genitals in a porn flick.
    We need to give things a bit of breathing space. We’ll react to his performance when it happens. Do we have to play out the season before it happens?
    Foles may do us all a favor for fawning over his every move — he may go down for the season on his very first play. Then you may ask, Is he good, or isn’t he?

  • Tim_A_H

    It’ll be nice when I can say that the greatest Eagles QB of all time is a guy I like.

  • Kev_H

    I know. Like Ron Jaworski was never booed. Right?

  • OldDuckMcDoc

    ::insert blacksanta joke::