Wake-Up Call: Jaws On Challenges Ahead

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Photo by Jeff Fusco.

Ron Jaworski admitted that he was a cynic when it came to Chip Kelly initially, and that the newcomer  proved the old guard wrong.

“I wasn’t sure how this was going to work. I wasn’t a big believer in guys coming from the college ranks, leaving that rah-rah college style and bringing a new style to the NFL. Kelly made it happen. He won me over,” said Jaworski during his show on 97.5 the Fanatic this week.


Jaws did a thorough study of each offense across the league for his 2014 quarterback rankings, which will be released shortly. He walked away even more impressed with Kelly's scheme.

"Chip Kelly did a great job of getting people wide open. I went through all these quarterback throws [across the league], I don't think anybody did a better job at getting receivers open than Chip Kelly.  When you look at 400-500 throws of each quarterback and I see guys that are making these stick throws into double coverage and all these things, and I plug in Eagles tape and I'm seeing guys running open."

Jaworski is on board, clearly. But he also sees challenges ahead.

For one, the quarterback and the scheme will not sneak up on anyone this year.

"I will guarantee you this: every pass that he threw last year was studied and watched by 30 personnel guys with the three teams in this division.They studied Nick Foles to every possible nuance: Where is his foot when he is coming out from under center? Does his heel come up a split second before the snap? Does he flick his hand to get into position before the ball is snapped? They will study every nuance of his game on coaches tape, on television to hear his voice inflection, to see where he turns. Is the ball snapped when his head is looking downfield rather than left to right? All these things, they will have broken his game down. Nick has to make that adjustment. Now that teams have adjusted to him, does he adjust to what they do?

"It's the same thing with the system: the familiarity with the system for the Eagles is great but now all the teams are studying that system. What does Chip do? Does he take this offense to the next level?

Jaws believes Kelly only utilized about half of his playbook last year, and can use more now that the players and assistants are better versed in the scheme.

Second, Foles will be navigating his way through these obstacles without his top target from 2013, DeSean Jackson. 

"I think it's a big loss. I'm not buying into the, 'Oh, don't worry about it.' I saw this offense. I studied this offense. I know what DeSean Jackson did for everybody else -- what he did to clear zones and open up Riley Cooper, Jason Avant and that plethora of tight ends that they have."

With the burner off the roster, the former Eagles signal-caller believes that the style of attack will be altered.

"It was a vertical passing game. It was an explosive offense, big plays down the field...I think what [Kelly's]  going to do instead of the vertical passing game, which was so effective last year, I think he tweaks it a little bit. I think it's going to be more of a horizontal game, sideline to sideline. Spread it that 160 feet on sideline to the other. Work in between the linebackers, maybe a safety will roll down, there's space in there. The offense might not be as explosive but it can be more efficient with that style of offense."

To hear all of Jaworski's thoughts, click here. 

WHAT YOU MISSED

Which running backs and receivers will make the team? Will another kicker be brought in to challenge Alex Henery? My latest Twitter mailbag.

LeSean McCoy is the fifth-best player in the NFL, according to the players' vote.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Sam Donnellon of the Daily News thinks Nick Foles is more valuable to the Eagles than McCoy:

Foles can survive without Shady. It wouldn't be easy, or as productive, but the Eagles signed Darren Sproles in the offseason and Chris Polk has shown some promise and there are cases of NFL teams surviving and advancing with running backs who slip your mind.

Not sure who Tom Brady will be handing off to next season. Or Drew Brees. Not saying Foles is either player (although he went toe-to-toe with Brees in last year's playoff game), but he might have more weapons at his disposal this season than either player even without Shady.

Tommy Lawlor of Iggles Blitz takes a look at why Foles was so good in the red zone last season:

Foles also doesn’t need players to be open. He is willing to throw the ball to a covered receiver. Too often Donovan McNabb and Vick needed someone to be wide open. That doesn’t happen on a regular basis in the Red Zone. There are a lot of contested passes there because of the congestion. The key here is that Foles isn’t forcing the ball to a covered player. He sees someone that is covered, but where there is an angle to work with. Foles will then put the ball into a safe spot and give his receiver a chance to make the play. This is especially important when throwing to big WRs and TEs. You want to take advantage of their size. Give them a chance to make plays for you.

COMING UP

Two weeks. Two weeks until camp. Almost time for Kapadia to get off his bender.

Josh Paunil contributed to this post.

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  • Eagles1018

    Foles is not more valuable than McCoy. Sorry but you don’t just dismiss one of the top 3 backs in the league (arguably) and let Foles just win games. That won’t happen. At least not this year or the next. Chip is good, I believe in Foles but for anyone to think Shady doesn’t make the whole thing go they’re nuts. I hated losing the burner at WR, but he’s not totally irreplaceable. Shady is irreplaceable.

    • OldBill1934

      Did you watch the EAGLES the last two years? Shady was there all the time, with various QB’s, but only Foles made the EAGLES look like winners.

      • PhillySean

        I am ultra reluctant to evaluate the worth of a running back based on how they were utilized by Reid. Westbrook being the lone exception.

      • aub32

        So are we forgetting about the defense? In 2011, when Shady had 20 TDs, the offense averaged over 25 ppg. The offense was good, despite suffering from heavy TOs. The Juan Castillo led D was just awful. Had the D been able to hold over half the teams they played to under 21, like they did in 2013, we would have easily made the playoffs in 2011.

    • cliff henny

      for me, it’s simple, it’s a QB league. QBs>>>>>>>>.RB (>=importance)…even one as good/great as Shady.

    • rls255

      Item to agree with others, QB is the most important position on any team, I don’t care who the star RB is. Look at AP, he’s been all world but the vikes offense still sucks cause they struck out with ponder and can’t find a franchise QB.

      • Kev_H

        Top 5 rushers last year- McCoy, Charles, Peterson, Forte, Murray. McCoy and Charles made it to the wild card round, the rest were on .500 or worse teams. Not much of a connection between individual rushing stats and NFL success in the standings/playoffs.

    • JosephR2225

      I’m not sure it’s an either-or proposition. The best teams are the most balanced. We saw what Shady did in Week 8 when Foles was injured (15/48) and Week 7 when Foles was doing his best Blaine Gabbert impression (18/55). And on the other hand, we don’t know how Foles would look if teams weren’t bringing down a safety to guard against the run.

    • Wiztopher

      Let’s not be hasty: the QB position is the most important position on the field. Don’t let ur affection for Shady cloud ur vision: Shady was on the field when Vick was the starter however, when Foles took over that’s when we really started clicking on all cylinders.

      • aub32

        The QB is indeed the most important piece, but you read the article. No QB that Jaws watched had as many WRs wide open. Could it be that even a mediocre QB could succeed in Kelly’s system. Even though Vick wasn’t winning games, he still broke records in Kelly’s offense prior to getting hurt. McCoy was the constant.

        • Wiztopher

          I think u helped prove my point when u wrote: “Even though Vick wasn’t winning games…”

          • aub32

            There are two sides of the game. You are removing the D from any responsibility.

          • Wiztopher

            Not a valid point: same D on the field whether it was Vick or Foles.

          • aub32

            If you think the D was the same in game one as it was midway through the season then there’s no point in continuing this discussion. The D was horrendous early. They got better as the season went along. My argument is not Vick vs. Foles. My argument is that both QBs produced and put up record numbers while at the helm of this offense.

          • Wiztopher

            Numbers are great no matter who puts them up, but my argument is that we clearly won with Foles, which is the most important stat above all.

        • Adam

          “wasn’t winning games”
          “broke records”

          One of these things matters. The other doesn’t.

          • aub32

            We obviously differ on opinion. I don’t blame the offense for losing a game where they scored over 30 points. Had our D been as bad for the entire season as it was in the beginning, then we would not have made the playoffs.

        • Andy124

          Vick broke records? What records? He played well in his first two games against two bad defenses and was bad after that.

          He only managed 5 touchdown passes in his 4.5 games. In this offense. With Shady McCoy. With DJ. With a decade of starting experience. With teams having no film of this offense.

          I wouldn’t call what he did “succeeding”. With a qb rating in the mid 80′s, an awful completion percentage and 3 bad performances in a row, we saw what a mediocre quarterback could do in this offense. And it wasn’t good.

          • aub32

            We had the number 2 offense in the league. We had more yards through 5 games than any previous team ever. (Of course that was also broken by the Broncos.)

            I think it was you that agreed TDs and wins aren’t always the best way to measure QBs. Vick would have had a lot more TDs in the SD game if not for drop and penalties. Also, Foles never faced a defense that was as stout as the Chiefs (The early chiefs before the entire D line got injured). Foles also never faced a team as good as the Broncos. Again I am not making this a Vick v. Foles thing. Both QBs would have put up big numbers in Kelly’s offense. Both QBs did put up big numbers in Kelly’s offense.

            Btw, Foles played Dallas twice. So let’s not get into who played bad defenses.

    • Kev_H

      McCoy’s been playing great for a few years, but Reid still got fired. 1. It’s a QB league. 2. Good defenses can neutralize great RBs. 3. Running backs are easier to replace.

      Non-McCoy Eagle RBs have done great the last two seasons with the important exception of Brown’s fumbling in 2012 and HE was almost literally picked up off the street.

    • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

      damn right.

  • Bullwinkle

    It’s great to see Jaws admit he was wrong. Shows he is a good person without a huge ego. Many people in all walks of life can’t deal with the fact they aren’t perfect.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      Petey boy!

    • eaglespur

      first I must say that rocky and bullwinkle were the best ever. I nominate Foles as Bullwinkle and McCoy as Rocky, lots of similarities. Moose and squirrel!
      On topic, jaws had a lot of company in his archaic belief about Kelly. What we’ve observed is that Kelly is a coach. Like Popovich is a coach. It’s fun again!

    • scarolina1

      Jaws was always that way even during his playing days. I think Vermeil always enjoyed that facet of him.

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  • cliff henny

    so, less than 12 months ago Jaws was spouting doom and gloom, amatuer coach is going to get his butt handed to him. now, he admits he was wrong, well, sort of (what he admits is kelly came to his way of thinking, so his stance is we have to prove a negative). there’s little doubt kelly knows more about his offense than Jaws does, so if D-Jax was that important he wouldnt have been moved. the simpliest truth in NFL is production>headache, all is good they’ll figure something out, headache>production, goodbye

    • myeaglescantwin

      yep!

      Kelley wants mean blockers. He feels he can scheme the WR “open”.

    • Dominik

      I tend to think in the same direction, but don’t underestimate the fact that even very smart people can be wrong. Chip will have a plan, obviously, but it doesn’t HAVE to work out. You think it will, I think it will, but there are no guarentees.

  • NickS1

    Good analysiss Jaws. Glad you watched 400-500 snaps to figure out what some of us non-experts have been saying for months now: we’re going to see more short/intermediate routes that are higher efficiency.

  • Pnolty13

    “The offense might not be as explosive but it can be more efficient with that style of offense.”

    Seems like this is the style kelly prefers. Keep the offense on the field and keep pounding the defense until they get gassed. 2 or 3 play drives for TDs are nice and all, but really doesn’t tire out the opponents D and overworks/exposes the eagles D. Going with bigger WR and TE to make this high efficiency offense work in more congested space.

    • sprawl

      Yep, and once the defense starts to get gassed the spread game means that you can still get those explosive 20+ yard gains even with the short/intermediate routes. 5-6 effective plays in rapid succession, followed up with the proper blocking downfield and getting the ball into the hands of someone like Shady or a WR with RAC ability and you’re getting big yards from a 3 yard pass

      • Pnolty13

        Right on. I’ll take the short stuff all day long. Similar to what the saints did the last years whenever they play the eagles. Short slants, screens and then beat them over the top when they start cheating in. Drove me nuts because the eagles could never stop them.

        Excited to see what the offense looks likes this year. Pretty incredible what kelly did with a bunch of holdovers, albeit talented ones, last year.

        • lars1701c

          I agree and the defense got a bad rap because they were on the field nearly the entire game, no D thats on the field that long can do a great job

        • sprawl

          Yeah I think it’s important to remember that Kelly (and Davis on his side) had to evaluate the entire roster almost as if you’d evaluate free agents when he came in here last year. They had lots of tape on the guys but really no idea how they would function within the new systems. You heard it over and over again whenever the press asked Chip about particular guys not doing well in 2012 “I don’t know exactly what they were being asked to do so how can I judge their performance?”

          • All Things Bad@ss

            I also found the evaluation aspect impressive. Even more so because it seems like Kelly never so much as breaks a sweat.

    • lars1701c

      I for one can’t wait to see the progression of Ertz (sp, i am bad with names lol) he is going to be a stud TE

  • jshort

    He wasn’t a big believer in college rah rah coaches…….Wonder what he thought of Vermiel when he arrived?

    • NickS1

      “I never want to win a Super Bowl for a college coach!” – Jaws

  • Joe from Easton

    Two weeks until Training Camp!!! Two weeks until Training Camp!!!

    I can’t wait to see the offense this year. The efficiency should be through the roof and yards after the catch are going to be aplenty. Sproles in space, Shady in space, Ertz coming on in year two, Maclin in space… Sheesh, if they stay healthy; DC nightmare. Marinelli is going to wake up in cold sweats thinking about this offense.

    I also tend to believe the defense will be a better unit this year. Their defense doesn’t need to be Seattle or San Fran, they just need to be consistent and let the offensive war machine grind the other team into the ground.

    Go Birds!

    • Rambler

      Don’t forget special teams.. I fully expect that to be an improved unit (outside of kicker that is). Imagine better starting field position to kick start the offense, and better coverage to help the defense. Exciting stuff.

      • lars1701c

        Its hard for them NOT to be better. I still think we should have gotten a good kicker nothing like having the opposing team starting on your 30+ yard line

  • JosephR2225

    “I think it’s a big loss. I’m not buying into the, ‘Oh, don’t worry about it.’ I saw this offense. I studied this offense. I know what DeSean Jackson did for everybody else — what he did to clear zones and open up Riley Cooper, Jason Avant and that plethora of tight ends that they have.”

    ——————————
    This is the All-22 breakdown I would love to see. Jaws would know better than me, but I think the “Desean opened up the defense” argument is ridiculously overstated. The biggest factor in opening things up was Shady and the run game, which made teams play single-high safety. Beyond that, there were plenty of instances last season in which Desean was freed up because they ran two verticals and Nick looked the safety off, or Riley ran a clear-out route and opened up the deep in-route for Desean (watch Chip and Baldy break down the Vikings game and you’ll see it). I’m sure Desean’s speed didn’t hurt, I’m just not buying this angle that teams drastically changed the way they defend the Eagles because they were so terrified of Desean.

    • aub32

      So every expert says that DeSean’s ability helped everyone else on the field and you dismiss it despite plenty of evidence? Go back and look at some of the All 22 stuff. Plus DJax didn’t just run verticals and clear out the box. There were plenty of times he lined up inside or in the backfield. I forget the exact game, but there was a play in which Shady got a walk in TD all because both the LB and safety took the wrong first step after seeing DJax fake an end around. He was a player that every defender knew where he was on the field. DCs had to gameplan for him. Outside of Shady, who is the skill position play that is going to keep DCs awake at night? Mac wasn’t a #1 WR before his injury. Cooper? 2 rookies? I like Ertz but he’s no Graham. Hell he isn’t even Vernon Davis at this point in his career.

      • JosephR2225

        I’m not sure… are you referring to the same experts who still say the Eagles time of possession numbers are too low? And for the record I’m not saying they are right or wrong, I just think that the “open up the defense” notion is one of those football cliches that people throw around all the time without looking into whether it is actually true. Bear in mind I’m not saying Desean ran exclusively clear outs, I’m saying there were times when other players were running clear outs FOR him.

        On the play you’re referring to, I’m not sure which one it was, but I question the extent to which Desean’s speed was necessary in faking out the defense. Would they have reacted differently if it were Maclin or Huff or anyone else running that same end around? I tend to think that “player that teams fear” angle is an overstatement as well. If DCs are going to stay awake at night, I think it will have more to do with them worrying about how to defend Shady AND Maclin AND Cooper AND Ertz AND Celek, etc.

        Finally, when you look at Jackson’s production, it dipped significantly in 2011 and 2012. 2011 was the year he famously took off. 2008 the Eagles rushing attack was 11th in efficiency (per DVOA). In 2009 it was 5th. In 2010 it was 1st. In 2012, the Eagles rushing offense plummeted to 22nd and Desean was a very pedestrian receiver. Then in 2013 when it shot back up to 1st, Desean has a career year. So my question is this: Is Desean really “opening up the defenses”, as the cliche suggests, or are the defenses being opened up FOR Desean? It’s probably a little of both.

        • aub32

          I am starting to think you don’t know what you are talking about. DeSean was on pace for record numbers in 2012. He got injured on an end around. All you have to do is watch the games to see he has an impact on how defenders play the Eagles. Mac wasn’t a #1 guy before getting injured. Now all of a sudden he’s supposed to keep DCs awake at night. I like Ertz, but he wasn’t even the most productive rookie TE. His blocking is still a question left to be answered, which means he may not see the field as much as some of us, including myself, hope.

          Now I do think Kelly is smart enough to know he can’t do some of the same things without Jackson. I do think he will find a way to use Sprole, Huff, and JMatt to make a more horizontal game. However, I also expect windows to get a little tighter for Foles as I don’t think there is a single receiver on this team that demands extra attention. Sure they can line up all over the place like DJax did. However, every defender knew there was no chance of catching DJax from behind. I doubt there is a defender in the NFL that would say they approach an end around the exact same whether it’s a guy like DJax or Harvin back there vs a guy like Smith or Avant.

          • JosephR2225

            Record numbers? Look at his efficiency stats. Career low in yards per reception. Career low in yards per game, excluding his rookie year. On pace for a career low in TDs, excluding his rookie year. Records like that?

            And what I’m looking for is for someone to show me on the film how he affected defenses. I haven’t seen that breakdown yet. My contention is that when teams are in man coverage with a single high safety, which the Eagles saw the majority of last season, that single high safety HAS TO line up well off the LOS and HAS TO defend the deepest route whether it’s being run by Desean or Cooper or Maclin. If you can find me an example of when the single-high safety let an Eagles WR run by because he was focused on Desean I would love to see it. And when there are two verticals, which the Eagles ran a lot last year, Chip said it’s Foles’ job to look the safety off one and throw to the other. That’s what Foles did with the Desean TD against Minnesota. The very fact that teams ran mostly single-high safety indicates to me that they weren’t as concerned with stopping the deep ball as they were with stopping the run.

          • aub32

            He got injured. He had 700 yds in 10 games he played healthy. If he finishes the season he would have had 1100+ yards. That would have been a career high. He had 45 catches. Projected out and that becomes 72 catches. That’s also a career high. Yes his avg yards per completion was down. He still had 15.6 yards per catch. He averaged 16.2 this season. So yes those are the records I am referring to. The difference is in the last two years he was allowed to run something other than vertical routes.
            ….
            Also, I never said teams weren’t concerned with stopping the run. We are a run first team. Shady is the best player on the team. However, that does not take away from the fact that DJax opened things up more than some JAG WR. I don’t have time to find all the links. Go rewatch some of the games. Go reread some of the All 22 breakdown from this and other sites.

          • Joe from Easton

            DJax is 0.1 seconds faster than Huff and Maclin in 40 times. In the space that Kelly opens up for his players I dare you to find a LB who says, “oh gee, I can’t catch that 4.35 guy but that 4.45 guy? Hell give me some tea and a piece of cake while I’m waiting for him to come around the end while meanwhile considering the triple option that could be a backside screen or shady leaking out of the weakside”.

            I don’t disagree that DJax was a dynamic player and very unique in his right, but Kelly isn’t “smart enough to know he can’t do some of the same things without Jackson”, he’s smart enough to know that he wants his offense to run a certain way and Jackson didn’t fit it so well; or he wouldn’t have cut him.

          • aub32

            The forty and how fast a play plays on the field are very different. Momah was a 4.4 guy. Did we see that at any point last preseason? I am not saying Mac is as bad as Momah. DJax is special talent wise.

          • JofreyRice

            Do you honestly think Jackson is just a tenth of a second faster than Huff and Maclin, with the ball in his hands? Like real football speed, not in underarmour in a straight line.

          • aub32

            Some people will reach for anything to make a point.

          • Joe from Easton

            I’m just going off of the measurable stats that are available to me. I know Jax is a special talent in terms of speed, but there are a lot of guys in the NFL who don’t run 4.35 that, if given space (the pillar of chip’s offense), can out run defenders. That is my only point. Misdirection with Jax, Maclin, Huff, or Sproles is going to pull defenders and open space the other way. Aub using Avant as an example is, frankly, stupid. When would Chip EVER use his slowest skill position player as a component in a misdirection place.

          • JosephR2225

            See this part I disagree with. I think you can see on film that whatever, their 40 times, Jackson has faster game speed than Maclin. And I’m not trying to jump up and down on Jackson just because he’s out of town. I said from the beginning I think they would have been better off keeping Jackson and letting Maclin walk, but my reasoning for that is that Jackson is better at beating the guy lined up across from him than Maclin is. I am questioning the notion that teams played the Eagles drastically differently because Desean was on the field. I think they played the Eagles the way they did because they were focused on stopping Shady and because the offense is designed to make defenses commit to one of two or more possible options, then exploit that choice. If you watch the film breakdown on the Eagles by Chip and Baldy there are numerous examples of forcing defender’s into a high-low (e.g. Desean’s TD against Tampa, when the safety committed to the underneath route which freed Jackson in behind) or forcing them to cover one of two verticals (e.g. Desean’s TD against Minnesota, when Desean and Ertz were both running corner routes and Foles looked the safety toward Ertz).

          • aub32

            Avant was a bit of hyperbole on my part. However, I think there’s a definite difference between Mac in the backfield and Jackson. I think safeties and some LBs (SEA, SF, NC) would think they have a chance of catching Mac, especially since he’s coming off an ACL injury.

          • Joe from Easton

            You might be right, but Kelly will know where Mac is at in terms of that ACL. He won’t use him for the role if he can’t fit it. If he can and defenders cheat then they’re smoked. Don’t forget that Sproles is pretty fast and so is Huff in the even Maclin has significantly lost a step (let’s not act like the dude wasn’t fast; he wasn’t Jackson, but he was in the upper echelon in the league in terms of speed at WR).

          • aub32

            I have never said I don’t have confidence in CK. I do. He will figure things out. I am saying that vertical aspect will be gone. Sproles is quick, but I don’t see him lining up on the outside and running verticals or deep comeback routes. Maybe Huff can help there, but he’s a rookie and not one of the top rookies at that. I can’t imagine him having that big a role. Ertz didn’t have a huge role and I thought much higher of him coming out. Huff will be behind Mac, Coop, JMatt, Sproles, and Ertz. So it’s hard to do what DJax did when you do not see the field that often.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, Jackson knows how to use his speed in terms of making his vertical stem look identical on all his routes. The way he set DBs up was a real progression in his game. Eating the DB’s cushion, and then accelerating past when they were step for step was something he could do for forever, but the ability to catch those comebacks and move chains was a big step up (by the way, I could care less if he’d rather go out of bounds than take a huge hit at the end of it). Just the pure timed speed from the combine doesn’t really give you a look in to the way a player uses that trait. I don’t think we have anyone that is anywhere near as vertically explosive as Jackson–and I think that was what Jaws was saying. The question is, how important is that in order to score points?

          • Joe from Easton

            I agree with all of your analysis.

            My answer to your closing question is: Defer to Chip. Apparently he doesn’t think it’s too important and prefers to stretch the field horizontally and then road grade when the defense adjusts.

          • JofreyRice

            I will be amazed and impressed if they have the same amount of “big plays”. It’s very hard for me to see it happening, right now.

          • aub32

            Despite his success, I do not think Foles is a big play QB. I think things might work out better for him to focus on an intermediate passing game. He will be able to get into a rhythm. Also, his deep ball isn’t as good as what the results indicate. It’s better than his rookie season, but I don’t know if I like living or dying based on Foles ability to pass 50-60 yards down field.

          • Andy124

            No quarterback should be living and dying on their ability to pass 50-60 yards down the field. None.

          • Adam

            Good NFL QB’s aren’t defined by their ability to throw the ball deep. The mid to intermediate stuff is what scouts consider “NFL throws”. Fitting balls into tight windows on short developing routes. Timing, anticipation and reads are the stuff you look for early in a QB’s career. Deep ball, not so much. That stuff can be developed as their career goes on or schemed around.

            Look at Brady post knee injury or Manning post neck. They didn’t have near the same zip on the ball they normally did but still had great seasons because they could still work the field.

          • aub32

            If that’s the case then explain why Stafford is regarded so highly? Flacco? Cutler?

          • aub32

            I am not disagreeing with your point on Brady or Manning, but to say the “big arm” thing isn’t something that’s highly regarded by NFL people is something I cannot agree with.

          • Adam

            Eh, outside of Flacco, I don’t think any of those guys are exactly highly regarded. I don’t see Stafford or Cutler as much more than big arm, middle of the pack QB’s. Stafford is something absurd like 1-23 against teams with winning records. They haven’t mastered the more important aspects of the game ( the middle of the field stuff). Having a cannon for an arm and playing with guys like Megatron, Brandon Marshall, and Alshon Jeffery can inflate the numbers but at the end of the day it’s not enough to win SB’s. Flacco is a more well rounded QB than those guys, and he had a great defense for that run too.

          • aub32

            You may not regard them highly, but their contracts lead me to believe they are highly valued. Look how long Bradford has lasted just on potential of having that big arm. Again, I would prefer Brady, Manning, Brees over those guys. However, I think you are a bit too dismissive of how NFL people view the ability to throw the long ball.

          • Adam

            Haha, so we’re evaluating QB’s based on their contracts now? So what about Romo? Teams are strong armed into over paying for QB’s based on the alternative of not having one at all. Matt Ryan had the 2nd highest APY for QB’s and his team was one of the worst in the league.

            No one is saying they’re bad quarterbacks. They’re just not upper echelon QB’s. Brees, Manning, Rodgers, and Brady all have mastered the middle of the field throws and their reads and compliment with a good deep ball, but they aren’t defined by it like Stafford or Cutler are.

          • Joe from Easton

            I don’t believe they will… 96 plays over 20 yards is insane. I also don’t believe that Chip cares. His bread and butter is spreading the field horizontally and making high percentage plays with a good chance of YAC. Last year was an anomaly in his thinking if you were to ask me. He had Jax, he used Jax. Now he’ll use his real playbook.

          • JofreyRice

            I’d care. If you believe what you read, most of these OCs are working to create “shot” plays. Chip spoke about it when he got hired–about how the opportunities for big plays are much smaller in the NFL. Letting the best big play receiver on the team go for nothing is pretty risky, IMO. It’s hard for me to tell if people just really think Jackson was so replaceable or if they’re trying to bully their doubt with optimism.

            Chip fielded a great offense and presided over a great first year turnaround of a team left in horrendous shape by Reid, but he’s not walking on water in my eyes.

          • Andy124

            Sure, but the league is full of effective, explosive offenses that don’t have the benefit of Jaccson or a player like him. The argument isn’t that he had no impact, it’s that the impact is often overstated.

          • JofreyRice

            The argument JoeR32432 seems to be making is that it’s an oft repeated cliche that is more fiction than fact. It’s not. Some cliches remain true, no matter how tired they get.

            I’m not sure I can agree that the league is “full” of explosive offenses without serious vertical threats. There is no rule against threatening horizontally and vertically. I’m not sure why we wouldn’t want to do both.

          • Andy124

            http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_20PLUS_YARDS_EACH&tabSeq=2&season=2013&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

            How many of those teams in the top-10 depend on guys like DeSean?

            JosephBoykinMcCoy just started off by saying he’d like to see an All-22 showing this amazing impact DJ had on defenses. I would too, because I think Shady had a much larger impact on defenses. Frankly, DeSean’s ability as a receiver will be far more missed than his “dictating the defense” or scaring people.

          • aub32

            Out of the top 8 teams, they all have a top 10 WR (or Jimmy Graham). Wasn’t DJax a top 10 WR in 2013. So I’d say you’re kind of arguing against your own point.

          • Andy124

            If you think the Broncos’ Thomas or the Saints’ Graham are “guys like DeSean”, I don’t think we can continue discussing the great game of football. lol

          • aub32

            You said guy like DJax. By guy like DJax I thought you meant top 10 WR. DT is not the same style player by any means. They were both top 10 WRs in 2013 though

          • Andy124

            Guys like DeSean = little guys who win with speed.
            Same response to Jofrey.

          • aub32

            In that there are no guys like DJax outside of Percy Harvin (injured) and Tavon Austin (rookie). The point could be made that the Eagles were the number team in big plays because they were the only team with DJax. That’s a silly point though. I think Jofrey made the better point by saying how all those teams had someone with the ability to stretch the field. Are the Vikings that high without a guy like Patterson? How about the Giants and Cruz. Clearly DJax is not Megatron or Green. However, he’s much more conducive to an offense getting big plays than any other WR currently left on the team.

          • JofreyRice

            They serve in those vertical roles. Their ability to stretch the field in that direction changes the way their squads are defensed.

            Obviously, Graham & Thomas wear a lot of hats for their offenses. They are much more valuable to their teams than Desean was here.

          • JofreyRice

            Like a vertical threat pure speed take the top off a D guy? Some of the top offenses ave the luxury of having guys that can do it all. It would be easier if I could create a table for you, but check it out:

            Top 10 offenses:

            http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2013/

            Receivers with most 25+ yard receptions:

            http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/player-receiving-big-plays/2013/

            A lot of overlap. Demaryius Thomas, Alshon Jeffery, Dez Bryant, AJ Green, Jordy Nelson. Jimmy Graham.

            Seattle has Doug Baldwin & Golden Tate in there. They aren’t really special, IMO, but they played that vertical role. I think NE manufactures a lot of their offense through intermediate stuff, and surprisingly, FF, who was so in love with the bomb when he was here, only had Donnie Avery in that role, who came in at #40 on the list

            So to me, it’s really KC & NE that fielded a top 10 offense without a viable vertical threat. All those other teams had guys to play that role.

          • JosephR2225

            I think Jackson was great in the Eagles offense and I think it will suffer for him being gone, all I’m saying is I think the notion that because Desean was fast that teams committed resources to stopping Desean going over the top is an overstatement. I am certain there were instances in which Desean running a deep route took a safety with him and opened up a deep in-route for Riley Cooper. I am saying there are also instances in which Riley Cooper running a deep route took a safety with him and opened up a deep in-route for Desean. I think the key in “opening things up” is the design more so that the player.

          • JofreyRice

            The playoffs is a pretty big situation. Could there have been instances where Cooper opened something up for Jackson? Sure. But let’s be realistic, it’s a handful versus the vast majority. Jackson had multiple years of nearly a thousand yards receiving & runs like a cartoon character. If you’re a DC–and you’re interested in keeping that as your primary career–who are you focusing on, him or Riley Cooper, who had been considered a possible camp cut at this time last year?

          • JosephR2225

            I’m saying I don’t “focus on” either one per se. I play single-high safety with man coverage and I ask my lone safety to patrol the deep middle. What he does is going to be determined by what routes are being run, not by who is running them. If Desean stays on or near the LOS on a fake bubble screen I’m not telling my safety to stay over top of him. If Desean runs a deep in and Riley runs a vertical route up the seam I am usually telling him to cover the vertical route so as to not let anyone behind him. I think that what I’m describing is more akin to the way defenses played the Eagles than the notion that they had everyone playing extra deep and keying on Desean.

          • JofreyRice

            yes, but that’s precisely what the Defensive coordinators did. They rolled safeties to Desean, which freed up other people. The reason they didn’t have the single high just play the deep middle is because they were afraid of that guy not being able to get over the top if Desean ran a 9 route and left the corner in the dust. He “dictated” the coverage they were running because he did stuff no one else did.

          • JosephR2225

            It’s definitely possible. You can see one play in the Raiders game which was a bubble screen to Riley that the single high safety is lined up on the has directly over the ball and his first step is to Desean’s side. But there are a number of other plays in which the safety is reading Nick’s eyes and doesn’t roll toward Desean. I just think the effect was overstated, particularly once the offense showed they had numerous other ways to beat defenses, like getting Riley 1-on-1 deep or Shady on the wheel. I think it was more about not letting anyone get behind the safety than about not letting Desean get deep.

          • aub32

            I think you may be underestimating the value of that first step. I don’t think anyone is saying that the entire D is focused solely on DJax. However, that first step toward DJax can often be the difference in whether a safety can help cover a screen or a LB can fill the hole in time to stop McCoy. Those missteps happened pretty often.

          • JosephR2225

            That may be the case. At any rate, thanks for the discussion fellas. Would love to continue but a weekend in Stone Harbor is calling my name. Take care and be safe.

          • Adam

            The Saints did precisely what you described teams supposedly didn’t do.

          • JofreyRice

            baloney. I’ve watched that game, and Desean got the attention from the single high more than any other receiver.

          • Brennan Hildebrandt

            At the end of the day if your not efficient, and can’t sustain drives it doesn’t matter how explosive you are if your too inconsistent more times then not you will lose.

          • Adam

            Less big plays is most likely better for this team anyways. As much as Kelly doesn’t care about time of possession, it would be good to use more of it to keep the defense off the field. We can still put up big points on more prolonged drives.

    • usmcnole

      Good post. I dont think they would have just let him walk if he was that important. He had a bad attitude but it was managable. I think it had a lot to do with scheme fit

    • JofreyRice

      Jaws said it here. Sheil showed it on the All 22. Malcolm Jenkins spoke about it, directly, when he was signed. It’s hard for me to see how this is even a question for people–honestly I think it’s a bit of whistling past the graveyard.

      I don’t think they can replicate the amount of big plays (20+ yards) this year, without Jackson, but I’m hoping that Kelly can adapt in the way Jaws mentioned here.

      • JosephR2225

        Which All-22?

        • JofreyRice

          Right after the Saints loss Sheil put up an All 22. It showed clearly the safeties rolling to Jackson’s side. It happened all year, and was the way that Cooper was able to get 1 on 1 matchups downfield against CB’s. Going to be a different dynamic.

          • JosephR2225

            Okay I’m looking at the All-22 from 1/7 titled “Why the Eagles Offense Stalled.” It shows three plays in which the Eagles are being defended with a single high safety. In none of those plays is the safety rolling toward Desean. In fact in one, Desean gets freed up over the top because the safety jumps the deep cross to Celek, which is my point. These defenses aren’t saying their number one goal is to shut down Desean in the passing game. The problem they face is that there are several viable options on every play and I don’t think that’s contingent upon Desean. Am I looking at the wrong All-22?

            http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2014/01/09/22-eagles-offense-stalled/

          • JofreyRice

            Except for Malcolm Jenkins who specifically said in that game, they changed coverage for Desean.

          • JosephR2225

            All that I’m finding is Jenkins saying “Once he stayed in the division,” Jenkins said, via NFL.com, “that’s when a little bit of concern comes in.” Do you know where the quote about changing the defense is from? I’m not trying to break your balls or anything I’m just trying to find out more.

          • JofreyRice

            http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2014/04/15/theyre-saying-eagles-46/

            It’s a summary of his appearance on the NFL Network. He mentioned that Jackson dictated coverage in the playoff game.

          • JosephR2225

            Thank you I hadn’t been able to find that. And that’s a great point to be sure. I may be wrong, I just don’t know the extent to which it’s Jackson that opened things up versus it being the vertical route that opened things up.

          • JofreyRice

            IMO, good offenses do it in different ways. Saints do it with Graham, and Kenny Whatsisname-kid-from-Oklahoma and now probably Brandin Cooks. I’m sure we’ll see some of that here. Different guys that will run those routes. But I guess what I’m saying is that we let a guy go that D-coordinators planned for, specifically. Probably right after McCoy. We’re going to have to see how it all shakes out.

          • JosephR2225

            My question is whether and how much it will alter the scheme defenses play. I think at best we let go of a guy who could get open and cause damage. I’ve never been a big Maclin fan because I think he’s weak at the point of catch so I think the offense will take a step back.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah. They’ll do it with other guys, but those guys aren’t as good, so D-Coordinators won’t respect it as much.

          • Adam

            Can’t find this quote. Just something about him staying in the division. Maybe post injury they changed their coverage, but from what I recall of the Saints game Lewis did a good job of single handedly shutting out DeSean.

          • JofreyRice

            I posted the link in response to Joe. Sheil featured it on “what they’re saying” from awhile back.

          • Adam

            Out of curiousity, I just took a look at Game Pass for the offensive snaps before Lewis got hurt. We’ll have to agree to disagree. Lewis completely washed him out.

          • JofreyRice

            Did you notice the safety rolling in his direction?

          • Adam

            The All-22 shows It’s almost all single high safety playing centre field and reacting to the play. Didn’t cheat much in either direction. Favoured the side of the field with the numbers advantage. To me, it was clear they were playing to stop the run and making the Eagles beat man coverage, and they weren’t able to do that.. either because the guys couldn’t beat it or Foles couldn’t throw it off.

          • JofreyRice

            Alright, yeah we’re at that impasse point. If you don’t believe that the Saints were worried about Desean Jackson, and that he affected their coverage a hell of a lot more than Riley Cooper or Brent Celek, I don’t know what else to say. The guy put up 1300+ yards, is universally regarded as one of the fastest players in the league, and was in the top 2 or 3 for 25+ yard plays in the entire league, and the “QB of the Defense” for the Saints at the time, Macolm Jenkins, says that he dictated coverage. I mean, it doesn’t follow that a guy like that *would* dictate coverage?

          • Adam

            Put on the tape man. Watch the All-22. It’s not a slight at DeSean or the season he had. Keenan Lewis is one of the better shut down corners in this league. He had the same success against Dez Bryant earlier in the year. But it’s not exactly a new point for DJax to struggle with corners like this.

            Teams are obviously always going to be worried about a teams top receiver. But while Lewis was still in the game, there was nothing on the film that showed Jackson dictated anything other than where Lewis was going to line up.

          • JofreyRice

            I’ve seen the tape. I trust my own eyes and what Jenkins said more than your analysis.

          • Adam

            Clearly you haven’t. And for someone who has such a low opinion on Jenkins you sure do trust his judgement when it validates your opinion.

          • JofreyRice

            I never said the guy was stupid, quite the opposite. He just sucks at football.

          • aub32

            Thanks. I did not have time to find the links, but I knew there were plenty of examples this guy chose to ignore.

          • Adam

            Several Eagles (Herremans, Kelce and Shady himself) have stated that it’s teams stacked the box to stop McCoy that opens up this offense.

          • JofreyRice

            Right, that’s the first part of it. The second part is that the single high first cheated, and then rolled toward Jackson most of the time, leaving Cooper with a 1 on 1. That’s what Jaws is referring to above.

          • Birds4Life

            But I think that teams will still have to respect us going deep. I know that Jackson would draw the coverage his way but what makes you think that Maclin won’t do the same? I’m not saying that Maclin is the same as Jackson, just that if Maclin and Cooper are running go routes, the safety is still going to cheat to Maclin’s side drawing coverage away from Cooper. Plus I think that Foles’ eye manipulation isn’t getting enought credit as well. He looks off the safeties to one side only to throw a bomb down the other sideline.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, he might, but Maclin’s not as good.

          • Birds4Life

            My point was that a safety is going to help out to one side regardless. If the safety rolls to Cooper’s side, then Maclin will be single covered. I think teams will still play us with a single high safety and load the box to stop Shady. I doubt the safety is just going to play in the center of the field until after the ball is thrown.

      • All Things Bad@ss

        “Whistling past the graveyard” … that’s a great idiom. And you’re right — but what’s done is done and this is the fans’ way of showing support I suppose. I tend to believe that the next iteration of Kelly’s offense will come into play and showcase that his core philosophies don’t rely so heavily on the vertical stretch. I, for one, don’t see how the absence of that stretch is an asset, but I’ll also concede that Kelly’s football mind is far more advanced than mine. Proof is in the pudding.

        • JofreyRice

          That’s where I’m at. This argument is really rotten fish at this point. I’m hoping Kelly can field an offense as good, but it’s tough for me to set aside my skepticism.

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            That’s where you’re looking for YACers to step up. Matthews,Sproles,and Huff In particular…..getting the ball in space, and making people miss. Matthews is not very shifty, but his tape shows a guy with a more than capable 6th gear when the end zone is in his sights. All those guys,Shady and Maclin included can hit open field and get chunks. We’ll be fine. A bit more small ball than last year, but doubles can clear the bases too.

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            The did Djax really take the top off the D argument is just slightly ahead of the can Connor Barwin actually rush the passer argument as the replacement for the Vick vs Foles preseason argument that drags into the regular season.

            For the record, I’m going with yes to the first and no to the second.

    • dnabrice

      Maclin can be used in the same way. He will run clear out routes as well, and he will have to be respected.

      • aub32

        Maclin is not DeSean. He never had DJax’s speed. Add the fact that he’s coming off of and ACL injury. Why would he be garnered the same respect?

        • dnabrice

          He doesn’t have to be DeSean. He just has to draw safety attention, which he will do.

  • myeaglescantwin

    to say this offense won’t miss D-Jax is naive.

    but if you played football for a good program, you understand it takes a TEAM to win a championship.
    53 men. One heartbeat.

    • lars1701c

      I think if matthis (sp) turns out to be what I think (and hope) he could be, we won’t miss D-jax one bit with Jeremy back not to mention our tight ends

      • myeaglescantwin

        I’m guessing you mean our 2nd-round-pic Jordan Mathews not our potential holdout LG Evan Mathis.

        I like the additions of both of those WRs. The bleeding green fan in my heart wants to call them baby-TO & Steve Smith Jr.
        but the realist in me expects them to have the usual rookie WR season. No big splashes.

        Chip wants to win the superbowl, but i don’t he expects it to be this year. These guys will all progress and we will eventually have the machine he wants to run with.

        • lars1701c

          Well i hope he has a stellar year because we need him :(

      • aub32

        Assuming you meant Matthews, I think you are expecting a lot out of a rookie and a guy coming off of a major injury. Rookie WRs don’t really set the NFL on fire their first year. I get the love for the fact we finally drafted a WR over 6’2, but he will have some growing pains.

    • Max Lightfoot

      I agree. ‘Twould be silly to think we won’t miss the speedy little midget – possibly more than we care to admit. But just like it takes a village of idiots to raise a child, it takes a cohesive, talented team to win a Super Bowl. =)

  • Kev_H

    I’m no paid expert like Jaws, but I’m surprised teams wait until the off-season to closely examine film to look for a young QBs obvious tells.

    “Hey guys, this QB we’re facing threw 7 TD passes in a game. We better prepare for him.”

    Head coach – “are you crazy? We don’t have time for that. We’ll just do our best and if it doesn’t work out, we’ll go back to the drawing board in the off-season.”

    • Tikkit

      Agreed 100%. For as much as coaches say that they are only week to week, I have to believe that the coordinators are looking down the line to some extent. I highly doubt that when Foles started tearing it up coaches didn’t try to start looking for tendencies and ways to figure out Foles for when they faced the Eagles.

    • Dominik

      It’s the intensity, really. You have some time during the season, of course, and they study their opponents, no doubt. But in the offseason, you have all the time in the world. Look at Kellys comments pre draft about his tons of visits at the Pro Days. “What else should I do during offseason?”. The offseason is the time when you really dig into such things.

      Good thing is, Foles (at least says) he knows that and works on it. Kelly will do his part, too. I don’t think we’ll be in trouble, because I trust Chip with his offense. But you can be sure that opposing Coaches will know way more about Nick than the same time last year and way more than in January.

      • macadood

        Tendencies and things don’t really concern me. When you look at a great qb like Manning for example you can study him infinitely but in the end he still consistently makes the right throws the vast majority of the time after what, 15 seasons of tape that can be studied by opponents. Here’s to hoping Foles can become a great.

      • Kev_H

        I guess I’m hung up on the examples Jaws is using because those would seem to be things that would be readily obvious to professional coaches (both Foles’ coaches and his opponents). Don’t you think teammates in practice would notice a hand flick that gives away the snap and alert the QB?

        Based on analysis of 2013 film displayed here and elsewhere, Foles can find the open receiver and make throws all over the field. He was good on deep throws, short throws, throws outside the numbers, throws from the pocket, and throws from outside of the pocket. I’m not sure what opponents can do other than try to sneak extra guys on the field or maybe try to get away with holding wide receivers. They will probably find more fruit examining each offensive lineman for weaknesses that they can exploit in pass rush.

  • myeaglescantwin

    REDZONE SUCCESS

    one of the biggest factors is Foles’ height. McNabb really didn’t have anyone to throw to, so lets look at Vick and Manziel, or most other small QB’s except Drew Brees (freak).

    You have 30yds to work with, an OL that averages 6’5. Physics says that a 6′ person would not have the optimum sight lines & throwing lanes to be successful in the redzone.
    Foles comes in a 6’6+. He can see the entire field and throw strikes over the OL. Too often Vick would have to loft a pass over the line, or swing out of the pocket to create a throwing lane. This lead to some of the sloppiest plays we’ve had. It cost us an NFC title in Vick’s first year.
    Foles has no issue seeing over the line. When he recognizes the WR’s break, he can throw a lazer right where he needs it to be.

    i use the term lazer loosely.

    • Tikkit

      I don’t think you need to use it loosely. He seriously throws one of the best intermediate ball-on-a-rope in the game. I remember the first few games watching him throw and I thought he was targeting a guy 7 yards out and it would instead travel 10 more to a WR running an intermediate route. With the same zip.

      • myeaglescantwin

        i’ve been critical of his ‘Kolb-like’ arm strength .
        i actually noticed that when he under threw a WR, his motions were way off. he wouldn’t have his feet right and really wrenched his body as hard as he could. The results were under thrown ducks (the riley special).
        Later in the season, you could see that he was working on his form. His motions were better and he was throwing some really nice deep passes.

        I’m excited to see if this kid can put it all together for another great season.

      • Max Lightfoot

        Foles has the best pump fake in the League.

  • lars1701c

    I am a doom and gloom kind of eagle fan straight from Negadelphia but I think without a doubt (barring injury) this could be the best offence the Eagles have had in at least 30+ years

  • Eagles1018

    So clearly a few of you disagree with what I said earlier. It’s cool I don’t have to have the popular opinion. I still love you guys! But seriously I’m not taking anything away from Foles. He’s a very good player and I think a lot of teams and media are sleeping on him (which is awesome if they are). But even with a guy like Jaccpot on our team, defenses loaded up the box against us and Shady was great last year. Chips scheme had a lot to do with it and Foles kept teams on their toes with that deep ball, but it all was based on McCoy being the primary threat. So even in this qb driven league with an awesome qb at the helm for this team, Shady is still the guy. It’s the truth. Sorry.

    • Javi Echie

      I completely agree with you Shady is the more important asset then Foles, but hey its nice to be able to argue about which is more important when you have a great RB and a very good QB.

    • Andy124

      When it comes to Foles vs Shady, the only bad opinion is a strong opinion.

      It’s more a matter of confidence in their backups. No one being honest has any idea how Sanchez or Polk would do with extended action here.

      • Eagles1018

        I can take a stab at it….we need Foles and Shady to remain healthy.

        • Andy124

          I don’t know if I actually came anywhere close to making my point in the first sentence. The point was that there’s nothing remotely wrong with thinking Shady is more valuable than FOles for this offense.

          I blame iPhone posting.

    • Adam

      When you state you opinion (which is all what you’re saying is) is right and others are wrong it comes across and lazy. Don’t be that guy.

      • Eagles1018

        Please reread my post where I said I don’t have to have the popular opinion. Essentially I’m saying I don’t have to be right. Yes, it’s my opinion. I stand behind that opinion as well. I won’t apologize for it. Someone mentioned a few comments ago that it’s a good problem to have when you can debate something like this and I couldn’t agree more. I hope they’re both in the top 5 numbers wise for their positions this year because that will hopefully mean a deep playoff run.

        Still in all I lean toward Shady being the most valuable asset on this team. I feel he makes the scheme go. That….is the kind of guy I am. Whether folks agree with me or not.

  • http://eaglemaniacal.com EAGLE MANIACAL

    Side note: What does everyone think of us trading for Andre Johnson?

    http://eaglemaniacal.com/2014/07/11/andre-johnson-catching-on-with-the-eagles/

    Just thought I’d ask.

    • myeaglescantwin

      what ammo do we have? (player wise)

      we see some ridiculous trades for vets. I wouldn’t be surprised if he nets only a 5th or 6th.
      and yes, i’d make that move in a minute.

      • NickS1

        Riley Cooper for Andre Johnson? :)

      • Adam

        Bad idea. His contract is garbage and we just drafted two young receivers.

        • myeaglescantwin

          when is a surplus of WR a bad thing?
          when is having Andre Johnston a bad thing?

          Maclin is gone after this year (99.95% chance).
          & the contract isn’t too terrible.
          we still have $22 million

          • http://eaglemaniacal.com EAGLE MANIACAL

            Like it says here: http://eaglemaniacal.com/2014/03/23/the-truth-behind-all-this/

            we simply won’t have the money in 2015.

            Even with DJax gone we couldn’t afford to keep Johnson next year at even half of his current contract.

          • myeaglescantwin

            solid work outta you sir.

        • NickS1

          Any team he’d go to would want to redo the deal anyway, or would have to. So I can’t see that being much of a concern, especially if he’s the one who wants out. Can’t want out and then not be amenable to re-working the contract.

    • Javi Echie

      In theory it sounds great and I’m a huge Johnson fan and always have been but I wouldn’t do it based on a couple of things. First off we are not one wide receiver away from a SB, second his contract is monstrous and if we trade for him we’d essentially have to rework his deal and backload to keep him after this year (which would really f**k us down the line ala the cowboys), and 3rd I wouldn’t want to give up and future draft picks because I can see chip really building a great roster through the draft.

      • Age

        Huge Johnson fan. Heh. A-heh-heh.

        • Warhound

          so childish
          so stupid
          still made me chuckle :-)

        • Javi Echie

          Touche sir lol

  • Chipadelphia22

    “I think it’s a big loss. I’m not buying into the, ‘Oh, don’t worry about it.’ I saw this offense. I studied this offense. I know what DeSean Jackson did for everybody else — what he did to clear zones and open up Riley Cooper, Jason Avant and that plethora of tight ends that they have.”

    Fans of other teams love to scream about how losing DeSean will hurt Shady the most, funny how Jaws didn’t mention him here. Not saying DeSean didn’t have any effect but he wasn’t a blocker, and defense still put 8 in the box a lot with the Eagles. Seemed to me that they wanted to shutdown the run first then worry about the pass.

    • OldDocRoss

      On a related note, I find it funny that many of the same fans who screamed “Foles only looks good cos everyone sticks 8 or 9 men in the box to stop Shady!” during the 2nd half of the season, pulled a complete volte face after DeSean left and changed the narrative to “DeSean stretched the field and stopped teams stacking the box, Shady’s screwed now!”.

      Cognitive dissonance FTW!

  • Jordan

    I will never again listen to any analysis by Jaws after he spouted that Kaepernick was going to be the greatest QB of all time. That was a deal breaker for me. I’m actually happy he’s got lower expectations, that means statistically we’re almost guaranteed to be significantly better.

  • Sconces

    Yeah I can’t imagine Chip moving to a horizontal passing attack. Getting chunk plays is what made the offense so special. Chip isn’t looking for long drives he’s looking for a TD as a fast as possible.

  • Explorer51

    Whenever I read something like “Chip’s only used half his playbook” it reminds me that a football 24/7/365 guy like Kelly is always adding (and subtracting) from his collection of plays; since it’s never static there is no such thing as “half.” For ease and continuity there will be formations and then multiple iterations on those formations. Since so much of his offense seems to be timing and location, it is only logical that vertical plays for Maclin will be different than those for Jackson and slot plays for St. Jordan will change from Avant’s versions.

    I’d be really surprised if we ever fell into the Andy Reid rut of predictability, either game to game or season to season.

  • B

    No one ever mentions how good the Eagles special teams will be in 2014… everyone dissects Foles, Chip, the D… but they added 2 pro bowl cover guys and Sproles is a huge upgrade at KR.

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