Roseman: ‘It’s About Building Your Team’

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Howie Roseman
joined Mike Missanelli on Thursday and spoke on a variety of topics, ranging from the level of organizational support for Nick Foles to the expectations for first-round pick Marcus Smith.

Also of note was the general manager’s explanation of the DeSean Jackson move from a financial perspective.

“We have to build our team. And going forward, we have a lot of faith in the guys that we drafted over the last couple years. We’re trying to get some continuity with our young players, being able to re-sign them. Obviously we want to be a championship-caliber team this year and every year going forward, but we also have to build it and sustain it…If we want to keep our team together, we’re looking at a situation where going forward that was going to be a challenge for us, and so how are we going to do that?” said Roseman.




"When you look at our cap situation going forward, after the season it was very tight. We have a lot of young players -- look at the 2012 draft, hopefully we get an opportunity to extend those guys just like we did [Jason] Kelce and [Jason] Peters and [Jeremy Maclin] and [Riley Cooper] and keep our own guys. And when you do that, you have to make tough decisions. In this league, you see it: the Seahawks lost a bunch of players this offseason. You have to make tough decisions. You are going to lose good players, and hopefuly that's because you're having some success. It doesn't make it any easier because you bring guys in for a reason, you like them, but in this league that's what the salary cap is all about."

So I think what you're telling me is that was a money decision, even though Chip [Kelly] said it was a football decision.

"That is a football decision. It's about building your team. And it's about how we wanted to reconfigure the wide receiver position," he replied. "You're talking about two different coaching staffs, and what Coach Reid is looking for in his system is not the same as what Coach Kelly is looking for...For us it's about getting Coach the pieces that fit, what he's looking for at each position."

Some other highlights:

On the decision not to draft Johnny Manziel. Was he the best available player on their board at 22? 

"I don't think that's necessarily right," Roseman replied. "But I think it's an ever bigger philosophical question when it comes to quarterbacks. We're big Nick Foles fans and supporters of Nick. We think it's incredible what he did in his first year in a new system, throwing 27 touchdowns, having only two interceptions. I think when you look at his quarterback rating, maybe the third-highest in the history of the NFL...in his second year in the league. When you have a young quarterback, everybody has to be committed to that guy. I think it's the same thing when you draft a quarterback high: It's hard when you draft one to not be totally committed to that player because it's the most important position, it's the guy that everyone has to be behind -- and that's ownership, front office, coaching staff -- and when you do that, you have to go in that direction and support that player; at least that's the philosophy that we have with the Eagles."

On the view that Smith is a developmental pick who will be  a situational player to start.

"Well we look at the draft as a long-term decision for our football team," he said, "and we had the ability to get a pass rusher with tremendous upside who has been productive in college football and fit our system, with great character.

"I think as you get better as a football team you're not forced to throw all those rookies into the mix and have to have them start immediately. But these are guys that you want to be big contributors to your football team as you get through this process, and certainly not discounting that from Marcus in Year 1, either."

Listen to the entire interview here. 

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  • Will

    So Marcus Smith at pick #26th in the first rd won’t be a starter?

    • UKEagle99

      Did you think he would start? Who did/do you have him replacing?

      • Will

        No but I think the player you draft there at #26 should be a day 1 starter now does Marcus beat out Trent Cole? I doubt it…

        • Richard Colton

          The better your team is, the less likely it is you draft a day one starter in round one. Other than Safety and maybe Guard, I don’t think a single other 1st round pick taken by the Eagles at #22 or #26 is a week one starter.

          • peteike

            most guys at end of round 1 start to lose luster in general per being solid picks anyway

          • UKEagle99

            Agreed. Even guard may be a stretch pending how bad Herremans injury/recovery was, I bet the Eagles know and they didnt select OL, telling?

          • paul from nc

            The Eagles are not one of the better teams. They beat 1 team with a winning record last year.They absolutely should be able to get a starter out of their 1st round pick especially on the defense, which, though improving, was horrible.

          • Richard Colton

            for example?
            I’d prefer someone who is going to help my team long term. Being one of the starting 11 in year one seems like an arbitrary to measure the success of a draft pick.

        • guest

          Will, that was such a dumb comment.

          • Will

            Hey I hate the pick…everyone thinks this is a solid pick….He’s new to the position, poor setting the edge, doesn’t anchor well against big blocker’s and has little experience in reverse….this has bust written all over it….

          • Maggie

            Sounds like Anthony Barr…new to the position…has little experience… Also redundant. Don’t recall too many folks being down on Mr. Barr.

          • Tom W

            Huh? He led the nation in sacks, can line up at both olb positions and replace demeco in nickel. Played d end, olb and dt last yr, drops into coverage to cover Rbs and tes, and has a frame to easily add 20 lbs. he is more game ready than dion Jordan was last year and Anthony Barr is this year. Frankly I’m happy we don’t have to throw him into the fire day one so he can learn and get bigger to start in 2015. Stop being so short cited. The kid is the prototypical 3 4 olb we needed. Who else did you want at 26????? I Hear all these dopes crying and playing Monday morning qb but nobody is telling me who the eagles should have taken????? Trade up to get haha some say, and give up a third no way …. Haha or Marcus, huff, Watkins and hart … C’mon. Not even close. If we took Matthews at 26 and Marcus in the second, people would be fine. So relax. Super Bowl in 2014 wasn’t ever happening no matter who we drafted so who the f cares. Give chip and Howie credit for picking well and getting this team built for multiple rides to the big game. It’s yr2 not yr5

          • paul from nc

            And with all that, he probably won’t start???
            Is it because we have such a shut down defense?

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Wtf. Re-read the “short sighted” bit again. Some fans I swear…

          • Tommy McCabe Jr

            I hate to break it to ya, but in the end, it was special teams that killed us, not defense. The playoff game vs the Saints proved that completely

          • paul from nc

            You’re wrong. The defense was ranked last or next to last in the League in Yds allowed, and last in 3rd down efficiency. They were BAD.
            But, in the Saints game,the D played well. It was actually the offense that left 2 or 3 scores on the field in the 1st half. If they had played, decently, the last possession would have been moot.

          • Tommy McCabe Jr

            Im far from wrong. Yes, the season on the WHOLE, they were ranked 31 or 32 but in the last month they improved to 20th. Just for that time period. Hell before midseason Chip was going for it on 4th down instead of tryin ANY FG over 40. When you factor in the long KO returns and off of short KOs that puts the D against the wall. Tough to defend short fields. As for the playoff game, your gonna tell me that the Saints left no scores on the field. How bout the 4th down conversion overturned by a false start or the 2 picks they forced on Brees? Eagles didn’t have any of those. Yea Coop dropped a HUGE pass but who says he scores? Coulda ended up another missed Henery FG. The point is if Henery was accurate or had a leg, field position would have changed many a games last season. The biggest bonehead of all in that game was Cary Williams tho. He combined the limp kickoff with a HORRIBLE penalty. Again short field, like it was ALL season. Tough to defend. The fact that you think the D was that much worse than ST by end of season tells me you didn’t actually see many games.

          • paul from nc

            The only thing you’re right about is that the D did improve as the season went on.
            However, you can’t say they were good. 20th isn’t good, it’s below average. And obviously you didn’t see the Saints game if you thought Williams tackle/penalty was horrible. If you have time, look at the tape before you reply. You will see that if he doesn’t horsecollar him, he goes all the way. There was nobody that was going to tackle him before he scored.
            My point is the defense was not good, our #1 pick was arguably, at the biggest need position on a poor unit, and nobody is projecting him to start. If we had drafted a RB or QB, and he didn’t start, I’m OK with that. But OLB, again, our biggest need, we got a developmental player.

          • Tommy McCabe Jr

            Maybe you need to revisit the tape bud. First, Williams DOESN’T need to horsecollar seeing as he has Henery, Carmichael and Goode all in the vicinity to knock him outta bounds. Second, I would rather let him score with 4:30 left in the game and have the opportunity to put the O back on the field than give a BS penalty putting em in FG range and let em run the clock out. OK so their “biggest need” according to “experts” was OLB and improving the pass rush, I get that. Here’s a real easy way to fix the pass rush. Get a CB that can defend a guy and a safety over the top that can actually play. If you notice the D started improving when Chung went down and Wolff took over helped in coverage. Not so coincidentally as the deep balls became less, the sacks picked up. Its basic football. Cover the WRs and the rushers can get there. Let em run free and you will NEVER get pressure. That is why Smith won’t start right away. Now that they upgraded the D backs Cole will fend off Smith for at least this year and when the kid is comfortable with NFL speed, he’ll take over. You say he’s developmental like he’s friggen Momah.

          • paul from nc

            We’ll just agree to disagree. But you need to look at the tape again. He was gone. A clean tackle would have been better, but he had to bring him down.

          • Tommy McCabe Jr

            Funny how in the first 2-3 sentences you described, to a T, none other than Brandon Graham in his rookie season.

      • jrzdvl

        A first round pick should have been a starter at some position on a defense as bad as the Eagles of 2013.

        • UKEagle99

          So at #22 or #26 who is your 1st round starter?

        • Tommy McCabe Jr

          The defense actually progressed as it got more comfortable in the system. They were top 20 in the last month and a half as opposed to 32nd for the season. The only two guys that needed IMMEDIATE attention to replace were Williams and Chung, both horrific in coverage. There is zero guarantee that even Justin Gilbert or Clinton Dix could come in and be any better. Greatness in college doesn’t equate to NFL success. The additions of Carroll and Jenkins will help the short term as well as help ease Watkins and Reynolds in for the long term. The 2014 team is likely to be top 10-15 this season, be sure of it.

    • Chris

      Who else at 26 there would’ve stepped in as day 1 started if we didnt go smith? Not sure a rookie CB would beat out fletch/cwill (at least this early) ..dline and oline are set, dont think rookie o-lineman at 26 would be starting. i would’ve argued cooks would be day 1 started but he was gone..same for top 2 safeties.. seems like no matter what it was a depth pick, with ability to sub for cole or eventually replace him.

      • http://hibernate.org/ Steve Ebersole

        Pfff, you’re using logic. Some folks just want to rant :)

      • Richard Colton

        really wondering about that. Here’s what I’ve come up with: Dennard, Su’a Filo, Buchanan. All three are “maybes.” I honestly don’t care which of these rookies starts first – so long as they are long term contributors.

        Personally, I think we’ll see Watkins or Reynolds starting before Smith does.

        • Chris

          I think you’re right…Su’a and Buchanan were my “most likely” but still even if drafted were not a sure-fire day 1 starter. I think that’s a good thing though, speaks volumes about the state of the roster. Dennard is good but i think it would be too much to have him surpass fletch/williams/carroll before start of season.

          • peteike

            Roby another option, Im curious to see how he turns out

          • Chris

            definitely an option, but do you think a week 1 starter?

          • peteike

            maybe on Broncos but doubt on Eagles. I think they only have Chris Harris on one side coming back from injury.

        • Tom W

          Dennard is short armed and grabby. Buchanan would been even a bigger reach. And FILO wasn’t starting this year either and people would be flipping out if we picked him. So no those three choices ain’t flying try again. And everyone freaking forgets we traded down like eveyone wanted and got another third that we turned Into two more pick and kept our third.

          • Richard Colton

            Yea Tom – Buchanan would have been a bigger reach in my estimation. Not locally though for two reasons – one, the safety thing, second, two high profile local guys were pounding the table for Buchanan (even in the first round), something nobody was doing for Smith.
            But addressing the first point. Who in the first round would have started for the Eagles in year one? I think Dennard would have beaten out Fletch/Carey. IMO – we’ve seen the steady decline of Todd in passpro – and Su’a would have beaten him out on athleticism alone. Would Buchanan have beaten out Wolf/Allen? Of the three scenarios, that seems most likely to me. Again, what we’re left with is a list of maybes.

      • Brandon Boykin, LOL

        Someone made the point earlier that fletcher cox wasn’t a day 1 starte. Are we going to argue that he wasn’t a good pick?

      • Boss Luciano

        Great point!!!

      • 76mustang

        Actually, Jordan Matthews wouldn’t have been considered as much of a reach as Marcus, and will likely be opening day slot receiver. That’s why I look at 26 and 42 and flip the picks – Marcus would have been a good value at 42 with how the board fell…

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          How the he’ll is it better value if the day after the draft you have the same d@mn players? Rounds and grades mean NOTHING

          • OldDocRoss

            Had I a cookie to give you I would most surely do so, sir. Well said. The “Matthews would’ve been less of a reach at 26″ talk is moronic.

            We KNOW Matthews was available at 42. We absolutely would have taken him earlier than we needed to if we’d drafted him in the first. The reason we know this is we drafted him in the second effing round!

            There’s been reports that a few teams picking between 26 and 42 would’ve taken Smith, so at best we could’ve *hoped* he would still be there.

            The secret to achieving excellent value in the NFL draft is not strict adherence to Kiper’s Big Board.

    • Syracuse Eagle Fan

      Johnny football picked a few spots earlier won’t start.

      • Richard Colton

        Ohh he’ll start. What else is he going to do? Enjoy the Cleveland night life?

        • peteike

          oh man, this will be another mistake by the lake. The public pressure to start JM will lead to Hoyer sitting. Hoyer then leaves and has great success elsewhere (although a tad long in the tooth at this point). We can all see that happening right? Im not crazy?

          • Maggie

            Just one more reason to see the Eagles not cave to public pressure but build the team their carefully measured way.

          • anon

            he’s old but he’s got very lil wear and tear

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      Whining for the sake of it is particularly poor form

    • PaoliBulldog

      Bortles won’t start in 2014 either. That doesn’t make him a bad pick.

    • Sean

      I know man, remember that time in 2005 when the Packers took a guy that wouldn’t play for THREE years in the first round, pick 24? Man, they really wasted that pick.

      • Maggie

        Turns some people’s logic upside down!

        Edit: Darn Disqus won’t let me edit.
        Sorry.

    • Mr.Budz

      The arm chair GM is being a whiner today. Can you enlighten me on your apparent skills for scouting and player development? Also, your ability to predict the future is pretty impressive. You probably whined about us taking Foles in the 3rd because most QBs drafted after the 1st aren’t often successful. Look how that played out. How about we let this kid play some football before saying anything about him?

    • guest

      Most late 1st rounders aren’t immediate starters. Because they’re being drafted by good teams that already have starters.

      To not offer alternatives in your post that were available at 26 and would have been day 1 starters makes your post even more asinine. There were no day 1 starters left. Bucannon and Ward would have been bigger reaches than Smith. Dennard didn’t fit the scheme, and wouldn’t have been a lock to beat out Williams/Fletcher. Roby was arrested twice in the past two months. At this rate, he’ll be in jail week 1.

      Benjamin? Lee? These guys wouldn’t have any more of a chance of starting than Matthews.

      Terrible comment

      • Will

        I just do not see the Marcus Smith pick panning out…he offers what at 250 lbs? Speed? Brandon Graham I would argue is a better pass rusher? So what do you gain? Not good enough to beat out Trent Cole, this is a asinine pick….but you guys puff up the Superman shirts for this guy…

        • Richard Colton

          You’re not high on Smith Will – nothing wrong with that. Plenty of good reasons to be skeptical. He doesn’t have elite athleticism. Not a fearsome pass rusher (not yet anyway).
          But can you honestly say you’ll call him a bust just because he doesn’t beat Trent Cole out of traning camp? I’d call it a win if he pushes Trent for PT in camp.

          • Will

            No to be fair will have to wait for 3 seasons to pass, just think it will be up hill battle time will tell…

        • UKEagle99

          The problem is you cannot compare BG & MS. Is BG the better rusher, yes. When he is on the field is he coming, yes. Even I realise that when the opposing QB looks over our front seven and says to himself, “is he coming?”. The answer is, “maybe” x 7.

  • eaglefansocal

    I can’t wait for the season, or at least training camp!!! If Smith is a contributor this year, which I am very sure he will be and a starter by next year (I think he will be) then he was a very good pick near the end of the 1st round. This isn’t pick 4 people.

    • Sean

      Exactly, even with Cox 2 years ago (Mid-1st)… He didn’t see significant PT until later on his rookie year and then started year 2

  • Andy124

    Personally, I don’t think there’s any ground left to cover in the Marcus Smith at #26 debate. The only thing left is to see what he turns in to and gloat about being right.

    “We’ll settle this on the field.”

    • Richard Colton

      Do you really think people will gloat? seems pointless to me. If he turns out to be a stud – then the Eagles can gloat for reaching down and not letting him slip away to another team. If he’s a bum, then we’ll all whine about who they should have taken instead.

      • knighn

        At least. in my estimation, it wasn’t as painfully obvious this time (Brandon Graham instead of Earl Thomas),

        • Richard Colton

          thats true. Maybe Marquis Lee? he seemed like the obvious pick at #26. I don’t remember a lot of excitement for him here, mostly resignation that he would be the pick.

          • knighn

            I was wasn’t crazy about him. Maybe I’ve gotten too concerned about measurables.

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            He was the “obvious pick” at 26, but I, like others, was glad he wasn’t drafted. I’d rather have Mathews than him, and Smith than any other OLB available so I’m happy.

        • Will

          Deone Bucannon….maybe….either way we wasted a 1st rd pick on a rotational part time player instead of upgrading at Safety…The Eagles had them both in for private work outs…Smith must of impressed them…to the field then…

          • knighn

            The fact that you said Maybe suggests that it wasn’t a painfully obvious choice. I agree with many others here: OLB was a much more pressing need than safety.

          • paul from nc

            And I agree that olb was a big need. But then they should admit it, rather than preach “we learned our lesson about reaching for a position, we’re going BPA all the way this year.
            I’m not really upset about the pick because we traded down and picked up another player who could be a steal. I just wish they would stop preaching one thing and do another and basically treat the fans like idiots.

          • knighn

            That’s why I hate the BPA BS. If the best player available in round 1 is a kicker, punter, fullback or QB (when you already have one) than you’re obviously NOT going to take one of those guys.
            It should be titled “Best VALUE available” as in which players a team chooses or which moves a team makes. There was no player in this draft worth the inflated value of moving up (Tim / Sheil have posted the Jimmy Kempski article here).
            There was no greater value at 22 than moving back.
            Then at 26, a well-rounded 3-4 OLB to back up that extremely thin position probably had A LOT more value than taking an inexperienced Safety that might not even beat out the team’s top 3.
            The other position where they needed help (WR) made less sense in round 1 of this draft since there were comparable players available in rounds 2 or 3 (this is part of what made the Bills’ trade up such a poor value in this draft).
            Without actual psychic ability it appears, right now, that the Eagles stuck very closely to their BVA board, and I have no problem with that.

          • paul from nc

            That was a very well reasoned and intelligent reply.
            BVA makes more sense, as each team is different.

          • knighn

            Thanks! I’ve been arguing for the BVA term for a long time! I just think it makes so much more sense than BPA!

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            You keep saying Buchannon. He was a projected second round pick. Meaning he would’ve been considered a reach too.

          • Will

            yeah both are a stretch….maybe they draft a Safety first next year…instead of picking threw what’s left come the fifth round…

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            So really you just wish the eagles would have reached on a rotational player you like.

          • guest

            Only if the safety available is worth the pick. I dont think Bucannon was worth #26. He’s a liability in coverage and doesn’t provide the versatility that Chip/Davis want in their defense. Yeah, he’s big and can lay the wood, but the Eagles need safeties to do more than that.

            And the Eagles did want to take a safety, but the Packers took him at #21.

            And OLB was a bigger need than safety.

          • jaythaman81

            Buchanan was not versatile…..he was a mid 2round grade at best….we have Wolff, who showed a lot of promise last season, we got Jenkins, who can play both safety spots if need be and we have Allen who is a solid backup we drafted Ed Reynolds who I think if he stayed one more year could have been a first round grade…so why reach for a safety when our safeties are solid.

            Pass rushers were a weakness and the talent pool dropped off by a lot after Kahlil Mack…Barr Shazier were the second tier and Marcus Smith was the bottom of the second tier Marcus Smith had a second round grade but he would have gone in the first round…..Marcus Smith wasn’t a reach, they followed their board and Marxus was the best graded player on their that was still available at the time

      • Andy124

        I was referring to me gloating when he proves me right. :)

      • Wilbert31

        Everyone should be required to post their “other guy” here so we can come back later and evaluate. And people can’t just point at anyone drafted later and say “I told you so”.

        • Richard Colton

          Good idea – I’ve already put my three out there. 2 safe picks and one swing-for-the-fences. Here’s what I’m hoping: Smith becomes a playmaker, supplants Cole midway through year one, sets the edge, and solves all their long term needs at ROLB.
          1) Su’a
          2) KVN
          3) Attaouchu

          • Wilbert31

            Sounds good to me. I don’t know enough to question authority on this. The only thing I think I know is that we need better play at safety. HaHa was gone, so I think we made the best move from there. Getting Matthews 2nd was great and gaining Huff in the trade back is bonus too. I think Smith will be fine. If the line breaks down, your Su’a choice may be discussed later…

    • mtn_green

      Smith has done everything that an OLB will be asked to do in eagles defense, everything.

      The question, the development piece is that he faced weaker competition, many sacks he was unblocked and he didn’t consistently beat the man in front of him.

      • GoBirds1

        No one consistently beats the man across from him. Otherwise sack totals. Would be in the hundreds. You think it is easy to beat a giant OT AND the chip guy and get to the QB. That’s why the pass rushers are the highest paid guys on the D.

  • H1t0d

    I understand that they need cap flexibility after this season…but still don’t get why they didn’t wait until then to cut desean. Still think the receiving unit is as good if not better than last year but it could’ve been even better with Jackson…and they have the space for this season

    • Andy124

      They can roll over the savings from this year into the next.

    • Maggie

      Who cares WHY Jackson was cut?? What difference does it make to the grand scheme of things? What possible difference does it make in your life? Or mine or anybody’s? Some of the commenters here sound like a bunch of 12-year-old girls crying and screeching because their favorite pop star got married.

      • paul from nc

        You sound like Hilary. What difference does it make at this point? They’re dead.

      • jesse

        Not that I care about why or that they did let Jacksongo nor am i comparing Jackson to,but by your logic then people shouldn’t be so upset about BDawks being allowed to walk or picking B. Graham over Earl Thomas but never see you make this argument when those personal movements get brought up seems you just disliked jackson

  • Chip Kelly

    How can anyone listen to that guy named Mike Missanelli talk for 4 hours everyday is beyond me. A few of his idiotic questions:

    “Do you think Chip Kelly is not accessible enough to the media. He doesn’t seem to like the media. We had a problem with this during the later years of Andy.”

    “How much do you give in to Kelly’s wants and needs”

    Sports radio in the city is unbearable. These guys only give opinions to antagonize sports discussion. How can anyone not like or believe in what in Chip Kelly is doing? He turned a 4-12 team to a playoff team. Comparing Kelly to Reid interactions with the media is stupidity. Reid was dull and arrogant. Kelly is witty, detailed, and entertaining. It’s not blinded faith. For us who know how dedicated and smart CK is, we are extremely grateful to find him as the coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      To me, the best part is seeing chip’s wit and wisdom go over all their heads. And you know that he knows it too. He’s a chocolate chip in life’s cookie jar

      • Chip Kelly

        haha, great analogy.

        • YazmineWiltshireoan321

          like
          Jacqueline implied I’m taken by surprise that a mom can earn $8130 in 1 month
          on the computer . see post F­i­s­c­a­l­p­o­s­t­.­C­O­M­

      • daggolden

        Proven by all his National Championships. Give me a break his wit is brilliant against the Washington ST of the world. Not so good when the Alabamas and Auburns of the world come in and shove that “wit” right up his ass.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          Clearly, you dont share either attribute.

    • Engwrite

      Don’t listen. Their interest is creating interest, which they do through controversy, whether it exists or not. The last time I listened to talk radio must’ve been 15 years ago and I shut it off after a few minutes. Cable news does the same thing. I don’t watch them either.

    • PhillySean

      Yep, they are hired trolls.

    • Liam Mullen

      I think Mike, at least tries to information out these guys unlike the lap dog beat reporters. Granted I do not care about Chip Kelly being more accessible but a lot fans do. That second question is too pry out who is really in charge with picking players. To each his own though. Enjoy the weekend!

    • Greener

      Agreed Sports Radio in Philly stinks!! It’s like between liver sandwich or sardine sandwich u hate both but you hav to eat both stations need a good douching!Chip wouldn’t talk to media most fans don’t care.But these guys wine about it and they act like there 4 the fans there NOT! Plus mike miss has a terrible Lisp and needs his ego deflated

  • Eagles1018

    “When you have a young quarterback, everybody has to be committed to that guy.”

    So what is Howie gonna say if/when they try to get Mariotta in 2015?

    • Sean

      Well, if they are going after Mariotta, it’s because Foles failed in 2014, not for any other reason, since its been proven over and over again the “Running QB” thing is BS

      • paul from nc

        Not really. They want “Chip guys”. He is the #1 “Chippa playa”.

        Even if Foles does well, I believe they go for him.
        1. Avoids a huge contract. You remember that pesky Cap?
        2. We’d be able to get a pretty nice #1 pick for him.
        3. Mariota can run his entire offense
        4. He would be on a rookie contract for 3 years. You remember that pesky Cap?
        5. It would be a football decision, Money, money, money

        • Jeff Asay

          No way Chip asks his owner and his players to hit the reset button on the most important position in football unless absolutely necessary. Any team with an above average QB builds around him.

          • paul from nc

            We’ll agree to disagree.
            And maybe Roseman asks Chip if he’s interested in doing it, in order to save money.

        • Tom Kazansky

          Agree with a lot of this. Just to nit pick, MM’s rookie contract would be for 4 years + a 5th year team option, which is huge considering franchise QBs currently make $18-$20M/yr.

    • Andy124

      As Sean was getting at, in exactly what scenario do you see the Eagles targetting Mariotta?

      • Tom Kazansky

        I know this is a sensitive topic here, so I’ll tread lightly. To answer your question, the Eagles could decide that Mariota, even ex-his mobility, is a better QB than Nick Foles.

        While some may jump to lazy conclusions because Mariota is mobile and he is from Oregon, it is possible/probable that the Eagles might deem him an interesting fit simply because he can do a better impression of Nick Foles.

        • peteike

          no college kid can just jump up in the ranks and 27/2 it to the playoffs. Only 1st rounders also, no way a measley 3rd can do that or win it all. That never happens says the stats. Oh so he may be a first rounder so youre saying theres a chance eh

        • Andy124

          No worries. But I asked for a scenario. Do you really think any potential interest in Mariota is independent of what happens in 2014/2015?

          If not, under what likely scenario(s) do you think the Eagles would have interest in MM.

          If so…

          • Tom Kazansky

            Without going “what if” crazy, I’ll answer your question.

            The scenario under which they would consider MM (or any other 2015 QB) is the status quo, which is the same set of assumptions you’re currently using to rule out considering a new QB.

            If MM was available at 22 this year, I think we would have had an interest in him.

            Perhaps Foles and the Eagles have a 2014/2015 season that makes considering a new QB moot, but I don’t understand why everyone thinks we are there already.

          • Andy124

            I don’t understand why everyone thinks we are there already.

            And I don’t understand why anyone thinks we aren’t there already.

          • Tom Kazansky

            Fair enough. I don’t subscribe to either extreme, and you may not either.

            For the record, I think Nick has been great so far and I’d be pretty happy if he and Chip ran our offense for the next decade.

            Nevertheless, as rational and pragmatic team builders, I think Howie and Chip won’t rule out changing QBs until they give Nick a new contract. I think fans shouldn’t rule out the possibility either.

        • jaythaman81

          That’s not crazy it would be smart for the eagles to franchise and trade nick to avoid paying him the franchise money, this team isn’t ready for that yet….you trade Nick and go all in for Marriotta, Marxus staying in school sounds like it was planned…he knew he could have been the top pick this year but stayed in school, sounds like more behind the scene actions was behind that.

          Anyways if you can get Marcus you would have 4-5 years to build your team add elite talent to both sides of the ball and if Marcus pans out (which I believe he will, especially in chips system) you make him the franchise Quarterback moving forward, yes the risk of him being a bust is there but Chip builds his offense around the players and that set up guys for success.

          But

      • guest

        Oh they’ll target him. But its going to cost a fortune to move up from #32 to top 5.

        Plus, how would they explain the decision to give up the farm to move up for a guy that would replace the QB that just won you the super bowl.

        Big dongs beat up little dongs.

        • peteike

          haha well done

        • Maggie

          Oh no! This is not an image I EVER wanted to see!

        • paul from nc

          If they are drafting 32, they couldn’t do it. BUt a more reasonable scenario is (if the Giants don’t surprise) they sneak into the playoffs because of a weak division and lose in the 1st round. They probably could trade Foles for a top 5 pick, or depending on who it is, Foles and our #1 for the top pick, if needed.
          It’s really too early to figure where Mariota would be slotted, where we’d pick and how Fles does this year. But it is not out of the question.

        • jaythaman81

          Easy right now this team can not win the Super Bowl, we are barely building our defense and out offense is set, however Nick is still a huge question mark. Marcus Mariotta makes all the sense in the world and most importantly he is Chip Kelly’s guy he is a dual threat and stayed in school to work on his mechanics and pocket presence, his footwork and accuracy is elite.

          If Nick Foles has another great season his stock will sky rocket, you can use that to deal depending on how the season goes, right now looking at this team I don’t think the eagles are ready to pay franchise QB money yet, Chip Kelly is still getting rid of Andy’s crappy players and this defense is still another season away from being a top ten defense

          • Jeff Asay

            How is Nick still a huge question mark? You have to justify that statement. You can’t take a guy with a QB rating like his, who didn’t start either of his first two years as the first stringer yet demonstrated poise, good decision-making, calm, leadership, and a will to win…you can’t discount all those things and just say it’s a big question mark. Are there questions around whether he progresses or takes a step backward this season? Yeah. About as much as there Are questions about whether Shady will plummet back to earth after a heavy workload last season. Do you think the Eagles should be concerned about drafting a great running back? I will tell you right now, the offensive line, the running back, the wide receivers are ALL larger question marks than the QB going into this season.

            If Foles is a #1 pick instead of #3, people would be saying he did ok for his first time under the bright lights of the playoffs and be optimistic that he’d improve. As a guy without the pedigree, all I hear is complaints about how he came up small and give no room for error.

            If this were fantasy football and everyone starts from zero, maybe Chip goes with the Mariotta guy as the better fit. But Mariotta hasn’t taken a single snap in the NFL, hasn’t shown he can take the pressure and make the decisions necessary against an NFL defense. I will take the proven player over potential every day and twice on Sunday. This dreamy scenario of starting over with Chip’s guy as a rookie when all the other pieces will be hitting their prime is about the stupidest line of thinking any fan over the age of fourteen could pursue.

            Sorry, the more I type, the more fired up I get.

          • jaythaman81

            You can’t be serious, NICK is by far the Biggest question mark on this team. Bringing up McCoy is a weak argument, we all know what we are getting with McCoy, and to be honest Jim Stoutland is an excellent Line coach we don’t need first round or second round studs to make a great line, he is already coaching up the line so that is a weak point.

            Nick did great last year but it is highly unlikely that Nick will repeat last year, NICK HAS SHOWN that he can be a great QB, he has shown times that he can be the next franchise QB but he has not shown it enough, and right now the Eagles can not afford to pay a guy franchise QB money if they are not 100% certain that Nick can be that guy

    • GoBirds1

      Unless we tank ala the 76ers, and go 3-13, no shot at going after Mariotta. Or if we hire Ditka to replace Howie as GM and trade away the next 3 drafts for the #1, then maybe.

  • jon h

    Getting rid of Jackson may be a “good football decision” in their estimation. Getting rid of him for nothing in return is a bad football decision, no matter how you slice it.

    • Mr.Budz

      I think they could have maybe waited it out until the draft to try and trade him. But given his contract, and his diva personality, would you take that expensive risk in a guy who may not have the heart or desire to play for your team? They had zero trade offers.

      • Burberry Manning

        Should hv at least kept him until the draft. The 49ers spent a 4th rounder for johnson due to make about 10 mil as well….I’m over the djax release tho the draft prospects seem adequate to fill most of the gap along with maclin

        • Mr.Budz

          Personally, I’m not a big Maclin fan in terms of expectations versus production. But I can’t lie I am excited to see how he performs in our scheme. He had all of last year to dig into the playbook and all the film. He is a hard working guy who seems to be genuinely nice as well. I hope he produces and has a big season. A pay check will be waiting for him if he eclipses 1000 yards.

        • Brandon Baltic

          Stevie Johnson’s 2014 cap hit is 4m.

          • Burberry Manning

            Your right and they just gave him a redid his contract

        • OldDocRoss

          Wait, hang on, Stevie Johnson is about to make $10m??! That appears less than accurate:

          http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/5/9/5700374/stevie-johnson-trade-49ers-salary-cap-2014

          • Burberry Manning

            Yeah my bad 4 mil and he got his contract redone…

    • suthrneagle

      The Eagles are not the only team to let talent go w/no compansation….
      You can`t trade what no one wants. And that was for a multitude of reasons
      that you and everyone else has heard and dissected ad nauseum. It`s over,
      no matter how you slice it.
      Find something relevant to post.

      • jon h

        I’m not saying to keep or not to keep – I’m saying you can’t peg it to football decision and then just drop the guy for no compensation. Calling them on the term,

        • Brandon Baltic

          How many times do people have to tell you they got literally zero trade offers for him. No one was trading for his salary. Not one team.

          • guest

            Come on Brandon. You’re telling me that Howie couldn’t call up another GM and force him to give up draft picks in exchange for taking on an overpaid cry baby that runs one route?

            They got no compensation because they didn’t want compensation. Howie and Chip think they’re so much smarter than everyone else. They’re just so arrogant that they didn’t want to give the fans the satisfaction of getting something in return for Jackson. Because thats whats in the forefront of all their plans. Pissing off the fans and showing how smart they are.

            {and yes, this whole post was meant to be heavily sarcastic. But I bet some of you thought I was serious. There’s too many Eagles fans that really think like this}

          • John E. Zang

            Haha if I didn’t breathe sarcasm myself I would’ve definitely thought this was some moron from the comcast sportsnet site.

          • UKEagle99

            Mate, that was slightly sarcastic. Come to the UK, we drink sarcasm like smoothies.

    • jaythaman81

      Shut up no one wanted Jackson because he is a overrated one trick pony, who gets shutdown all the time and make a few exciting plays a year….get over it move on already

      • anon

        at least he has a trick. most players dont have 100yd games every week, jacksons the only wr we’ve had thats gone over 1000yds in a long time. stop pretending he wasnt our best wr by far.

        • jaythaman81

          Jackson wasn’t really our best receiver just because he had 1300 yards doesn’t mean all those 1300 yards made an impact in all of our wins this past season….he was our most exciting player but not our best receiver….

        • Joe Goldberg

          Jackson has had exactly one 100 yd game from December 1st since 2009. It was the Viking game last year, which was a 3 TD loss. He and Maclin appeared in 2 playoff games together. In those games DJ had 3 catches for 14 yds & 2 for 43 yds; MJ had 7 for 140yds & 3 for 77yds. By the way, last year that Vikes game was DJ’s best games (10 for 195). His 2nd best was 9 for 193 against SD, another loss. His 3rd best, in yards, was 150 vs Oakland. That game was over before halftime and Cooper also had like 140 yds or so as well. Next year we may not have one 1000 yd season by a WR but we’ll have a much better, diverse and consistent passing offense. We’ll probably have at least 4 receivers over 700 or 800 yds instead. Stop pretending Jackson was all that with his 1000 yd seasons but little production when it matters. Calvin Johnson is great but his team wins nothing. It’s about winning, which they’ll do even more of and have a better offense, without him.

          • Joe Goldberg

            That is one 100 yd game from Dec 1st on….since 2009. He’s NEVER, in his 5 playoff games, had one.

    • Brandon Baltic

      They got no trade offers for him. Zero.

  • Brandon Baltic

    Shame shame shame on anyone who thought cutting djax was anything other than a cap move (including the guys who run this site). I don’t know how else Howie can spell it out to people that the Eagles were going to be over the cap after extending the 2012 rookies next year. Then you have to extend the 2013 rookies the year after that. Desean’s rolled over 10M savings is gonna go a long way to alleviating that cap pressure. That’s the price of drafting well. It’s a money game people.

    • OldDocRoss

      Well, that’s true as far as it goes. Certainly if DeSean was on $600k pa he’d probably still be here, but equally if he was an Avant-esque choir boy, or if he had proven himself a consistent red zone threat, or if he could block like Hines Ward he might still be in Philly too.

      What I find silly is when people try to act as though “cap decisions” and “football decisions” are two completely separate entities. You have to look after the cap to look after the football team. Heck, ultimately everything’s “a football decision” because everything you do is with a view to making the football team better, be that in the short term or otherwise.

      • Brandon Baltic

        I don’t know about the Avant choir boy stuff but what you are saying is if he was a better player on the field he might be here and I agree. Clearly, management didn’t think he was worth 10m even as good as he was. As you state, he had deficiencies in the red zone and blocking. Maybe they viewed him as a 5m or 6m or 7m player. Who knows. If he played like Megatron instead (which would probably require him to grow 4 inches), maybe they would think he was worth that 10m.

        And I agree with your 2nd point completely. Cap decision = football decision. They are one in the same. The better you are with the cap long term and short, the better football team you are going to have which a lot of fans seem not to understand.

        • OldDocRoss

          Clearly, management didn’t think he was worth 10m even as good as he was.

          Bingo. I think they just decided you can only pay so many people $10m a year, so if you’re gonna pay someone that you’d better love everything about him.

          Doesn’t mean they think he sucked or that he was a terrible human being, just not worth $10m per year. Turns out zero out of 32 teams thought he was worth that.

          • Brandon Baltic

            Very well said.

          • paul from nc

            I understand that premise and probably could buy it. BUt the cap is going to jump substantially in 2015 and again in 2016.Plus we were 20MM under the cap even after signing all those young players this year, and not signing any high priced FA’s.
            I understand you need cap room to replenish and resign your own players. but, except for that DRC and No D year, we never spend it. Seems we always have $20mm in the pocket.

          • Kev_H

            Look at the current 2015 cap situation. The Eagles still aren’t out of the woods and they have 4 productive 2012 draft picks to extend. I don’t think any other team is in worse shape in terms of current contracts and 2015.

          • Harpy Eagle

            Ummmmm….Cowboys, cough..cough

          • Kev_H

            Overthecap.com, Eagles aren’t in better shape than them for 2015,

          • Harpy Eagle

            doesn’t take into account carryover from this year which will put the eagles in significantly better shape or the fact that the Cowboys still need to sign/extend 7 more players to make a 53 man roster vs. the Eagles 2. The Eagles also have more contracts that can be dumped than the Cowboys. There is a bit more to understanding the Salary cap than just the number at the bottom of the pages.

          • Kev_H

            …and the Cowboys QB is accounted for.

          • Harpy Eagle

            Assuming he’s healthy enough to even play….

          • Joe Goldberg

            They’re still like 17 Mil under the cap for this year, so they could easily pay Desean for this year if they had wanted him. You’re wrong to think it was about the contract. Other teams could’ve discussed restructuring his deal with his agent to trade for him. Once he was cut any team could’ve negotiated a deal with him as well. It seems that Daniel Snyder was the only suitor, but we’ll never know for sure.

          • OldDocRoss

            Le sigh.

            1. Just because you can afford to overpay for something doesn’t mean you should.
            2. We absolutely know that if DeSean was being paid less then, in the absence of any other issues, he’d still be here. We know this because the similarly tiny and much more limited Other DJ still has a roster spot.

            I am continually bewildered by this need to say it was about football abilty OR money OR character. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.

          • Joe Goldberg

            I totally disagree with your #1 point. Overpaying happens all the time. I disagree with your #2 point. The overriding issue, I believe, is that he’s not what Chip wants in a WR in his offense. I do agree with your summation, however.

      • paul from nc

        Howie basically said it in the article. A cap decision is a football decision.

    • peteike

      I think it was about a 4 mil cap hit had they kept him this season and dumped him next off season? Im asking, I forget but I refuse to believe it wasnt partially locker room/fit related also. They could have managed that number, teams always make it work. Id only say teams that arent performing and over spent are the ones in trouble. Look at what the Broncos pulled off.

      • Brandon Baltic

        Had they kept him they would have had to pay him 10m salary. By cutting him they don’t have to pay him 10m. All the dead money stuff is irrelevant because you are paying that money keep him or cut him no matter what. Bottom line is they saved themselves 10m that they can then spend on the team next year by cutting him this year instead of next year (because of the rollover).

        • peteike

          ahhh yes the rollover, I keep forgetting about that, someone told me that a few weeks ago. Thanks

          • paul from nc

            Howie doesn’t forget about the rollover. He does it every every every year. He must think it’s Jeff’s IRA

          • jaythaman81

            The rollover is the secret to why we can sign the 2012 class and not destroy our cap….right I believe we will carry over 13 million to next year that is everyone outside of Foles right there and what’s funny is that next year we will roll over around 10-12 million so that could pay for Folea first year of his contract…..smart smart

      • EaglesFanInPhx

        My understanding is that they had to pay him $6mm to cut him this year, instead of the $10mm salary. that $4mm savings gets added to next year’s cap space, thus generating a net differential of $8mm in next year’s cap by cutting him this year instead of next year.

        • Brandon Baltic

          Close but not quite. You were paying him 2m in guaranteed for 2014 no matter if you cut him or keep him. By cutting him, they paid 4m extra in dead money for 2015 and 2016. Then by not paying his 10m salary they saved 6m in 2014. The 4m dead money comes off the books next year for a grand total savings of 10m, his salary.

    • John E. Zang

      I really don’t think it was just about money. He said the politically correct thing here. He’s not going to tell the media that the coach didn’t like what he brought to the field and that he wasn’t conducive to the culture of the team. They aren’t going to publicly bash him. If we were talking about Megatron Chip would find a way to keep him. He simply wasn’t even worth a roster spot for one more year to them.

      • Kev_H

        I think Kelly would love to have Jackson as a low cost, situational weapon – kind of how I envision Sproles.

        • Joe Goldberg

          Kelly didn’t (doesn’t) WANT Jackson…period! He’s too one dimensional and is worthless as a blocker. He’s not close to Sproles is the diversity he brings to Chip’s offense. The money, at least for the 2014 season, wasn’t a factor in releasing DJax. It was a factor when thinking beyond next year, but it was mostly exactly what he, Roseman, and even Lurie said: it was a football decision and about reconstructing the WR position for 2014 and beyond, to fit the offense.

    • JosephR2225

      Then why is James Casey still around? $4M is a lot for sift blocks and special teams tackles. Why bring back Maclin at $5M? Money was definitely a part of it, but there is a reason they are more than willing to pay some guys $10M and not others.

      • Brandon Baltic

        Yeah the reason is productivity. 2M of James Casey’s 4M is guaranteed this year. They only are paying 2M to bring him back. As for Maclin, you do realize 5M is less then 10M right? Desean isn’t worth 10M in their eyes.

        • UKEagle99

          5M is less than 10M! Basically you are saying I can have Jackson & change or Maclin, Cooper, Sproles & Ertz. Tough one…

        • IAteLunchToday

          Desean wasn’t worth 10M in anybody’s eyes–nothing in a trade and he signed his new contract for <10M.

          • paul from nc

            16MM guaranteed is better than he had with the Eagles. In the NFL, nothing means anything except the guarantee. As you saw, a team can cut you anytime and you get nothing.
            Most huge multi year contracts are made with no intention, by the team or player, of going full term.

          • Joe Goldberg

            They gave him the money THEN he went out and had his best season. To the Eagles he was worth it. If they wanted to keep him, they would’ve. They cut him because they’ll have a better offense without him, no matter how stupid that notion may be to you, and because he didn’t fit well into the culture of the team.

          • IAteLunchToday

            ???

          • Joe Goldberg

            What don’t you get? The Eagles gave him 10 M, then he went out and had a great season. So why wasn’t he worth the money in their eyes? They got what they hoped for when they gave him the money, so to say Desean wasn’t worth 10M in anybody’s eyes is obviously not true.

          • IAteLunchToday

            Year/Cap/Base/Proration/OtherBonus/DeadIfCut
            2012/3mm/750k/2mm/250k/10mm
            2013/9mm/6.75mm/2mm/250k/8mm
            2014/12.5mm/10.25mm/2mm/250k/6mm

            The Eagles never paid Jackson 10mm and when it came up time to pay him, they tried to trade him. Every team saw the 10.25+.25 (unguaranteed even) and said he’s not worth it even for a 7th rounder. So the Eagles cut him. On the open market (highest bidder) Jackson signed for 8mm a year.

            As far as not cutting him last year, they did try to trade him. No takers. And they kept him because if you look at the 2013 numbers, it was pay him 9mm or have 8mm dead. They obviosly thought he was worth more than 1mm in cap space. This year however, they deciided that 6.5mm in cap rollover (plus savings in his future salary) was worth more to the team than what Jackson could bring to the table.

            I’m not really trying to have an opinion or get emotional about it. I’m just looking at the facts. Jackson has never been paid 10mm in the NFL for one year of service. Every team had the opportunity to pay him that (at the cost of a 7th rounder or on the open markett) and no one thought he was worth it. Only the Redskins thought he was worth 8mm. I don’t see what’s so hard to get about that.

        • JosephR2225

          They didn’t save $10M against the cap by cutting Jackson. They saved $6M because his dead money counts against the cap. And whether he is worth $12M is the wrong question to ask. It’s whether keeping him and having him count $12M against the cap is better than dropping him and still having him count for $6M. But contracts don’t exist in a vacuum and if your team wants to trim $6M off the cap there are better ways to do it than cutting your best WR.

      • GoBirds1

        The reason is djacc wanted more garunteed money because he had already spent all his money before he even got paid. Remember him 3 years ago when he wasn’t happy about his rookie contrac. He was not so productive and for him to stick around another year there is an opportunity cost of not being able to develop young talent with reps being crowded out by a non appreciative punk. It was time to move on. He was Andy’s guy, not Chips.

    • jaythaman81

      It was a football decision yes DeSean salary was a big issue,but not enough to release on that merit by itself, DeSean was an exciting player to watch but nothing more than that, like Devon Hester he was an exciting player but at the end of the day, being exciting doesn’t translate to wins and that was the reasons why DeSean was release

    • Joe Goldberg

      He said salary cap was a factor, but he also said DJax was a fit for Reid’s offense but not for Chip’s. Chip added greater clarification when he talked about WRs that can beat man to man coverage. He didn’t directly say it here, but has made it clear in the past he looks for versatility. Desean is too one dimensional; limited in how they can use him and what he can do (and offers nothing as a blocker). Both Matthews and Huff are much better fits for Kelly. It’s not just about money. They easily could’ve afforded Jackson this year and, if he refused to restructure his deal after that then they could’ve moved him.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Howie just made the same statement that I made when Chip stated it was a “football decision” and everyone argued against. Money in the NFL is a football matter/decision or any football decision must involve money. Doesn’t matter which way you slice it in a salary capped world.