Wake-Up Call: Why Eagles Passed On Manziel, Lee

NCAA Football: Chick-fil-A Bowl-Duke vs Texas A&M

The Eagles had six players they hoped would be there at the No. 22 pick. But when they finally were put on the clock, none of the six was available.

Two guys who could have been had at that spot were Johnny Manziel and USC WR Marqise Lee.


Chip Kelly has had nothing but good things to say about Manziel publicly, but it seems clear that the Eagles never really thought about taking him with the 22nd pick.

"We’re always gonna go by our board," Kelly said. "I love him. I think he’s a dynamic quarterback. I also think we have a very, very good quarterback situation - not only with Nick [Foles], but you add Mark Sanchez and Matt Barkley - we think quarterback is a strength for us right now. We felt like the pass-rusher who we had rated higher was the guy we were gonna take."

Manziel ended up getting taken at No. 22 - but he's headed to Cleveland, not Philadelphia.

The Eagles picked up a third-round pick in the process.

The Saints moved from No. 27 to No. 20 to take Oregon State WR Brandin Cooks. Asked if the Eagles had Marcus Smith rated above Cooks, Kelly dodged the question.

"Who was rated higher on your board?" he asked a reporter. "There were a few guys that went ahead of us that we would have liked to have, but they didn't. So that's how it goes."

In other words, if Cooks fell, the Eagles very well might have taken him at No. 22.

But that's not how things played out. Instead, the Eagles moved back to 26 and drafted Smith.

One popular name that was linked to the Birds leading up to the draft was USC WR Marqise Lee. But the Eagles passed on him, and Lee didn't end up getting taken in the first round.

"I think Marqise is an outstanding player and I wouldn’t be surprised if by the time I get back upstairs he’s not there," Kelly said. "But we spend so much time on ordering it so that when you get into the situation like, ‘Where do we go?’ it’s a simple thing. We’ve had ‘em all rated for a long time, and our board is our board. So when you get in there, you don’t turn it on and go, ‘I kinda like him.’

"We’ve had since last year to stack the board the right way. If we kind of liked him, that should have been a discussion awhile ago, so we were gonna follow it. I think that’s what you do rationally. You can’t let emotion get into it. I think Marqise is a special kid. I tried to recruit him coming out of high school and then had a tremendous career at USC. But for us, we think Marcus was the right pick."

WHAT YOU MISSED

T-Mac has the story on the newest Eagle, who said he thought he might go in the second or third rounds.

I did a full video breakdown on Smith earlier this offseason.

Here is how the action unfolded on the first day of the draft.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Tommy Lawlor of Iggles Blitz likes the Smith pick:

This is a solid pick. I figured he would go in the early 2nd. I won’t complain about the Eagles moving back and then taking him. They addressed a spot that I wanted with a player I wanted. And Smith fits the Eagles scheme. He could be an outstanding player for Bill Davis and Chip Kelly.

A couple notable Tweets from Derek Sarley of Iggles Blog fame:

COMING UP

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  • Will

    I thought they were taking Lee. Very surprised but not disappointed in the Smith pic.

    • Malcolm Jones

      I felt like Lee and Manziel were smokescreens… everyone expected Kelly to do what he did last year, draft from teams he faced or draft players he recruited…..and Kelly and Roseman were smart to keep saying he loved Maziel and to allow the “Lee was the best WR I have ever played against” story to surface…..I think Kelly probably leaves unfamiliar territory and trust his scouts in this draft.

  • Hanibal Luis

    Look on the bright side, still got a OLB who only converted to D a few years ago ;)

  • cheapmeat

    Did exactly what I expected, trade back or pick D.

    Howie gets an up-vote for doing both

  • Malcolm Jones

    The guy can pass rush and play in space, what more can you ask for in a draft that does not have many good OLBs and with the lack of OLB talent I can imagine why Smith was that high…Howie said they can go WR in any round so there was no guarantee It was going to be in the 1st. Robinson and Latimer are there in the 2nd.. WR will be the pick unless those two are off the board. I expect the QB/RB race to begin early in the 2nd, which should allow Latimer(my favorite) to fall right too us.. plus all the WR hungry teams pretty much have their guy. 9ers picked up Lloyd and don’t necessarily have to go WR in the second round. If Jags take Lee, all we have to worry about is teams that just picked up a QB, but the browns look good at WR,Bucs do too and need a QB of the future, Vikes as well, and if the Jags take Lee, so will they. Steelers worry me but with a aging D, they may take one of the corners leftover. Cowboys and KC worry me.

    • Will

      If NFL teams see him the same way the media does then I don’t think Latimer is going to last till 54. The Jags and Jets need WRs for sure.

      • Malcolm Jones

        hopefully they take robinson

        • Will

          If we cant get Lattimer, who’s the next best WR at 54? Martavis Bryant?

          • Andy124

            A-Rob or Matthews most likely.

          • Malcolm Jones

            I would just take one of the TEs at that point and thats not to say the other WR’s are bad.. just my preferences

          • anon

            They could jump up and take Landry!!

          • Richard Colton

            or Lee. They can part with that 4th or 5th. Has to be worth 10-15 spots in round two based on what we saw last night.

          • Andy124

            I’d rather have A-Rob and a 4th or 5th than Lee.

          • anon

            Think that extra 3rd is going to be a WR

          • Richard Colton

            tell you what – the 2nd and 3rd could both be WRs

  • #1GeagleFan

    FREE GEAGLE!

    • Richard Colton

      if you remember, M. Smith was his man-crush “Marcus Darling”

      • cliff henny

        let’s switch nickname to agent smith, much better movie character. ‘Mr Romo, that’s the sound of inevitability, the sound of your back cracking in 2′

        • Richard Colton

          awesome

          • cliff henny

            done, i just tweeted him letting marcus know

        • UKEagle99

          Works for me!

        • knighn

          No. I don’t like it. Romo is not Neo. Romo is a villain, not a hero. Figure out a Smith that was a bad-ass hero and you’ve got it.

        • Eagles1018

          Awesome. Can I up vote my up vote?

  • cliff henny

    why? easy, 27/2. now the excitement begins, 1st round is more annoying over-hyping sensationalizing of same players for 60 days. and holy smokes, i was hoping Johnny Foosball went somewhere i could enjoy him (or ‘Allas wherei could spew extra hate), but not after last night. good luck shoving him down our throats while playing in cleve-waste-land ESPN! god i hate you ESPN, so very very much

    • What the what

      Easy cliff

      • cliff henny

        no, espn has made me an angry mean bitter man. hope johnny foosball falls flat on his face. gruden wouldnt shut up

        • Ivan__Drago

          The draft was also televised on the NFL network, perhaps you would have enjoyed their coverage.

          • cliff henny

            didnt control remote, but was fed free scotch, so reasonable trade-off

  • Andy

    I was hoping we’d get Ha Ha when he started sliding but apparently the Packers grabbed him ahead of us. Ha Ha looked a little disappointed before he left the green room. I think he wanted to come to Philly. Oh well. You can’t pick a player that isn’t on the board and trading back after he was taken was a smart move.

    • ohitsdom

      Agreed. I had written off the Eagles having a chance to draft Ha Ha, then when he started to fall I got REALLY excited. Then my dreams were crushed. But, still think Howie and Chip did a good job playing the cards they were dealt.

    • Joe from Easton

      I was hoping for HaHa too once he started sliding. He was definitely somewhat disappointed because he wanted to be an Eagle. It was written all over his face. Once he got passed the top 15 I’m sure he was just counting down the minutes until 22, then 21 came. F*ck#rs!

  • Honest_T

    Everyone says you set your board and draft from it, but I would love to see where the Cowboys had Manziel on their board. You know Jerry wanted him. They made a smart pick at a position of need, but OL is supposed to be deep this year and the Cowboy fans will riot if Johnny Football starts winning games in Cleveland. Anarchy in Dallas always makes me happy.

    • Will

      Cowboys should have gone D or Manziel. Last year they picked a Center in the first round, I think. But as an Eagle fan, I hope they their D doesn’t improve much.

      • cliff henny

        they did the smart right thing, for the wrong reason. trying to milk 2 or 3 more years out of Romo. that’s the beauty of dallas, even when they are smart, it’s still stupid

        • knighn

          Yep. I said as much yesterday. They’re trying to protect their huge investment… their huge, old, broken, choking investment. If they’re smart, they should take another QB in this draft, but I don’t think they’re smart. They’ll probably take another UDFA QB and think they can get another Romo-level QB.

          • cliff henny

            it’s a flawed team/concept, just like the giants. throwing a closed eye haymaker hoping it connects by surrounding aging qb. plus, by time they get enough young talent to jell, they’ll be qb shopping. dallas missed window, now is in serious trouble.

          • knighn

            Can’t figure out what the bigger need was for Dallas this year. That team is just a mess. They needed O-line help, sure, but their D was historically horrible last season and got worse in the off-season. Sure, you need an O-line to protect Romo… but without Defense, Romo is going to be playing catch-up in every game… with a Rookie O-lineman to protect him. What a mess.

            For all of Eli’s flaws, he’s got one big plus going for him: he has proven to be clutch in the playoffs time and again. Didn’t like OB Jr. / ODB for the Giants for a big reason: his height. Eli Manning tends to miss high (part of the reason Plaxico was such a good fit for him) so there are going to be a few throws sailing over OB Jr’s head. Think the Giants would have been better off taking a taller WR…. even if it wasn’t in the first round.

          • Richard Colton

            Ramses Barden is their Danny Watkins

          • knighn

            Interesting. So they’re afraid to take Big, Tall WRs in the same way we’re afraid of taking 26 year-old, Candian, Firefighter O-linemen who have only been playing football for two years?
            I think ODB gives them some good moments but not the best choice for Eli. They needed someone taller. Granted: someone more talented than Ramses Barden, but also taller than ODB.

          • aub32

            I’d say their biggest need is at owner.

          • knighn

            Outside of a single playoff win, Jerrah has a near flawless record of mediocrity over the last 17 years. When I was talking about the mess that is the Cowboys, I was doing it with a sense of gratitude for his amazing accomplishment. I wouldn’t seek to replace Jerrah unless he actually showed signs of actually figuring it out in his old age!

          • Warhound

            He’s still lookin’ for that Glory Hole! He can’t learn new tricks.

          • aub32

            Isn’t Beckham just Victor Cruz #2 on that team?

          • knighn

            Not sure if you see that as a good thing or not!

  • #1GeagleFan

    funny how chip’s m.o. is playing out…running qb? not so much (roles,sanchez, barkley), cares about wr’s? not so much…pac 10 guys only? not so much….i think he gets it and i think we’ll be adding more key defensive pieces in the next rounds…this was the last year that he could play off of what we thought he was rather than what he really is… i wouldn’t be surprised if ertz is the top pass catcher for us this season and i wouldn’t be surprised if they go with another solid defender in round two possibly even another rolb…i think the extra third rounder will be used for a wr

  • Will

    Your score is: 4456 (GRADE: B+)

    Your Picks:

    Round 1 Pick 28 (CAR): Marcus Smith, DE, Louisville (C)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss (A)
    Round 2 Pick 28 (CAR): DaQuan Jones, DT, Penn State (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Christian Kirksey, OLB, Iowa (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 32 (SEA): Craig Loston, SS, LSU (A)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (A)
    Round 6 Pick 32 (SEA): Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (B-)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Cairo Santos, K, Tulane (B-)

  • Richard Colton

    I’m not going to kill the pick. He’s a guy 90% of us wanted at a position of desperate need. We over drafted him by a round. I can live with it.

    Meanwhile – the extra third gives us a lot of flexibility today. I’d be in favor of moving up in the 2nd to snag one of those value picks that fell – KVN, Su’a Filo, KVN, Moses, Lee, Matthews, KVN.

    • Andy124

      Or that LB from BYU.

    • cliff henny

      thought he was in that 30-35 range. in perfect world, yeah, find a trading partner and scoop up another 4th, but then seriously rolling dice. but they had their pick of the litter after the big 3 went, nabbed that 3rd from cleveland. all that’s left is Atta-guy, then looking at pretty good dropoff maybe in kelly/howie’s eyes.

      • Richard Colton

        You know – if ATAT falls to #54, and they like him…Smith is really good at dropping into coverage, a complete OLB. Maybe play him at LOLB and ATAT at ROLB?

        • cliff henny

          sure, why not?! why i like 3-4 defense , especially during draft, get all the freaky athletic OLBs you can grab.

          • Richard Colton

            just spitballing. 3 picks tonight!

        • anon

          Would be interesting to gain that much depth in one draft. It’s telling that we have 4 players that basically play ever snap.

    • UKEagle99

      Don’t forget that Kyle bloke.

      • Andy124

        What about the Mormon?

        • oreofestar

          Nah I want Wiggins not Jabari

          • Andy124

            Me too.

      • Richard Colton

        upvoting “bloke”

    • UKEagle99

      Don’t leave Van whatsizname out

    • UKEagle99

      or that something something Noy fella

    • mksp

      Not even a round. If you want to parse things into picks, maybe 4-8 picks. But if you listen to Chip, they were worried a SF, SEA, DEN type team would jump all over him.

      • Richard Colton

        The highest I’ve seen him on any player ranking sheet is #31. The ones I put the most stock in have him between 50-60. None of that matters…if…he plays up to his draft position.

    • Brent E. Sulecki

      Really hope we can turn that 3rd rounder into a Lee or Latimer. Def offers flexibility. In my head tho I keep thinkin smith could have been got with 54. But maybe eagles felt otherwise. Let’s be honest. A lot of names popped up in that first round that kinda weren’t expected. Ex. Belicheck pick

    • h

      im not sure i want moses. hes got upside but isnt all too great. and this is coming from a UVA student. give me bryant or matthews in the second

      • Richard Colton

        wouldn’t be upset with either of those picks – prefer Matthews, but your point is well taken. I had Moses going in round one ahead of Ju’wan James.

    • Eagles1018

      I wouldn’t mind Su’a FILO we need that og depth soon. I’m still holding out hope for Latimer falling to 54. Slim hope but nonetheless. Thanks for the follow btw (lyphe100)

    • JofreyRice

      yeah, I made it a point not to pile on Dallas picking Frederick early last year, so why should I do it to the Eagles, for doing the same thing? If Smith’s a guy that Davis needs to do the stuff he wants to do, to get that defense better than 29th, then that’s what it is.

      Would love to come away with a wideout, or even 2. Allen Robinson, Moncrief or Lattimer for size in the 2nd, and Paul Richardson with one of those thirds.

      • Richard Colton

        OK. I’ll see your Richardson and raise you a Jordan Matthews. Even if we go D with our first three picks – we still may walk away with a Matthews and Janis. I can live with that at WR

    • Neanderthal

      KVN has short arms. Chippah cant roll out the lever quote. Lol

      • Richard Colton

        that’s OK. I’m playing him inside.

        • Neanderthal

          He has the look of a rock solid player , doesnt he? 10 year starter in this league.

  • Token

    Man I was scared when Johnny Football was on the board at 22. Thankfully Chip contained himself.

    Sleeping on it, Smith is still a pretty good reach. Probably a whole round earlier than expected. But they really had no choice. They didnt address OLB at all. There was nothing there. So they probably thought this was their last chance to get a rusher this draft. At least one with a legit chance at being a player. Probably wouldnt have been much if any of them left in the 2nd for them.

    Smith just doesnt excite me. But really like I said before Lee wouldnt have made me jump out of my chair either at 22. It just didnt fall well for the Eagles last night. Vikings taking Barr at 9 shot it all to hell. No QB run early…

    But Smith as a good base to build on and coach. Theres some upside there. And getting the 3rd rounder helps ease the reach. They knew they were gonna have to reach a bit at that point.

    Now Lee and Robinson are still sitting out there. Id really try to get up there for one of them. Two guys that could contribute day one. Lee in the 2nd is good value.

    • Will

      If we can get Lee in the 2nd, then value of getting Smith in round 1 and Lee in 2 rounds out. Not sure he gets pass the Jags and jets though. And Im sure the Niners will move up for a Wr.

      • anon

        Unless we move way up we aren’t getting Lee, I don’t think that we had a 1st round grade on him based on his knees, maybe other stuff and clearly no one else did either (for whatever reason).

    • Adam G

      I agree with this break down. Things just didn’t break their way and what else could they have done? Late first rounders are way more valuable then early 2nds because of the 5th year option, so I’m guessing they didn’t want to trade out of 1st round completely. They addressed their biggest need with no real other option on the board besides Lee, who seems to be falling for some reason we don’t know.

      • anon

        I think they would have traded back, they used 9.5 of 10 minutes. Just think no one wanted to trade up. Vikings jumping up to get a QB is a great move, think Bridgewater will be good for them and it’s not a reach either.

        • Adam G

          I def think they would’ve traded back to end of first, but not to 2nd. There is a huge difference between the 32nd and 33rd pick. That option is worth a decent amount. Look at the Kaepernick contract situation vs the first rounders.

          • anon

            think it’s a bigger deal for QBs than 3-4 LBs.

          • Adam G

            Of course it is but really good 3-4 OLBs are what, the 3rd highest paid position in the NFL? You see some of these contracts this free agency? Everson Griffin, Michael Johnson, Demarcus Ware? Come on, to think they don’t realize that 5th year is huge just doesn’t make sense.

    • Malcolm Jones

      I was screaming “Chip resist those urges” like I was talking to a future NBA player at a gold diggers convention.

    • JofreyRice

      I think best case, they sort of re-created what Dallas did with Frederick. Everyone laughed at them the way people were clowning on the Eagles (don’t know if you saw the NFLN coverage), but turns out Frederick was a key player, and was a guy they really needed.

      I think it’s certainly a somewhat different situation than with Jarrett. The circumstances were the same, they said “We need an X, and we can’t afford to wait”, but I think there was less of a difference between projection/pick. Smith was a solid second rounder.

      I think long term, having Smith on the right allows you to get Barwin to the QB unblocked a little more frequently, which skyrockets his value, as well.

      • Token

        My issue here is that when they said earlier this offseason that Barwin would be more of a rusher this season I thought they werent serious. Well turns out there were. Barwin just isnt a very good pass rusher. Hes a solid player all around, but not a very good rusher. He loses 1v1 battles often. I see Smith as possibly being that same kind of guy.

        I wanted a guy with potential to be the edge terror teams have to worry about. A guy that if you give him a 1v1 matchup hes gonna win a bunch of them.

        Maybe Smith turns into a monster, who really knows. What they do in the 2nd round effects my feelings on this pick. If they go out and take a damn OL now in the 2nd and wait til the 4th round to get some bum WR then yea, its not looking very good. But if they can swing up for one of these WRs in the 2nd then fine, it really works out the same.

        Ill just imagine in my mind that Lee was the 1st rounder and Smith was the 2nd rounder.

    • Adam

      From what I’ve been reading this AM, I think the injury concern his pretty high for Lee. Don’t see him being an Eagle unless he falls to our pick. Not gonna be moving up for him.

      • Token

        So your saying they are moving up for Robinson? Even better!

        • Adam

          Would we have to? I’m not so sure

          • Warhound

            I think not….

  • oreofestar

    Marcuz was a reach by like 10 picks but feels a need and there is way more value for pass catchers at 54 Amaro, ASJ, Moncrief, Adams, Latimer, Robinson, Matthews still here gotta hope for a QB run so we can pick between 2 of these guys

    • Andy124

      hope for a QB run
      Enough with the running qb’s already! I kid, I kid.

      • Will

        Lol when I heard them call Marcus Smith, I thought they said Marcus Vick!

    • Will

      Agree, its likely all of the OLB/pass rushers will be gone by 54, but there will still be good-really good Wrs left. I hope there is a Qb run, pass rusher run and OL

    • cliff henny

      rather reach 10 or 15 spots, than sit at #54 hoping someone falls. Smith and Atta-guy would probably be gone, by end of 3rd, we’d be freaking out over Cole’s replacement.

  • Jay grace

    bust written all over this kid

    • oreofestar

      well if that is whatyou are you hoping for whatever I have high hopes as I should

  • anon

    I guess we didn’t have 1st round grades on most of the 1st round guys. May seem like a reach but it’s BPA. I don’t think there was anything left at the end of the first if you look at how the last 5-8 teams drafted.

    • NickS1

      Think you hit the nail on the head here. There are many different ways the last 6 picks could have gone and all of or most of the guys taken would have a case for being a reach to some extent.

  • Andy124

    OK, I pounded the table all offseason for a pass rushing OLB at the top of the draft. Didn’t get exactly the one I wanted, but I always knew that was a pipe-dream. I got one I’m happy about. So since that worked out so well, I’m pounding the table for a big WR in the 2nd with an ILB in the 3rd!

    Make it happen Rowie!

    That would still leave us another 3rd for another Big WR (Moncrief?) and 3 more picks to spend on depth OL, depth DL and that size-speed safety project from NCState.

    • cliff henny

      let’s walk with Latimore/Robinson in 2nd, Christian Jones and tre mason in 3rd.

      • Andy124

        A-Rob and Mason, guys from both of my favorite college programs. That’d be fun.

    • OldDocRoss

      Boo to Moncrief, but agree with everything else.

      Haven’t seen a huge amount of Smith but a few guys I respect seem high on him and we definitely need help at OLB.

      I’d still love it if we found a way to get Lamarcus but it seems I’m in a pretty small group with that particular man crush.

      • Andy124

        I think any group with Lamarcus has to be small.

  • aub32

    I’m not really sure how to feel about this pick. Any chance I can the positive from Andy124 and the negative from Token?

    • anon

      Yes, it was a reach, but I’ve talked to Pats fans, broncos fans, etc. none of them are happy with their reaches, Carolina reached for Benji as well. End of the first round is a place no one wanted to be — but having gotten OLB out of the way it sets us up nicely for the rest of the draft. I know Kelly was desperate for a pass rusher, and we took a system fit.

      • aub32

        I hear you. Still, it feels more like a 2011 pick. I do think they tried trading back again but just couldn’t find a dance partner. Good news is that Benjamin, the receiver I wanted the least, was the only WR taken after 22.

        • anon

          Yeah hopefully someone will take matthews early. Our pick was such a surprise ESPN didn’t even have cameras at his house.

          • aub32

            Speaking of Matthews, did anyone else get pissed when they showed the Matthews lineage chart and we have the worst one. It just angered me that he was in Eagle green in the photo, and I was reminded that he’s still in Eagles’ green.

          • cliff henny

            ha, yup, said the same thing…only one that stinks is an eagle, just our luck

          • NickS1

            At least we got the better Westbrook, and hopefully the better Kruger.

          • aub32

            I do still have hopes for Krueger. I wonder if Howie is holding on to Casey in hopes that one day just maybe he might channel the Matthews blood inside him and make a STs tackle.

          • NickS1

            Yeah, I have hopes for him, too. He’s still a kid, like 21 or something. I’ll have hope for him for 2-3 more years just due to age.

          • aub32

            Yup. That and he was a 7th round pick. So there’s really no pressure fro him to make the roster. If he turns into a rotational role player that’d be awesome.

          • Andy124

            Well, maybe we’ll get Jordan Matthews in round 2. All better.

          • NickS1

            I know that no one was more pissed than Richard Colton.

          • Richard Colton

            I just pointed out that ESPN had the graphic wrong, because they had caseymatthews listed as a “football player” and not a “meat popsicle”

          • Andy124

            upvote for 5th element

          • aub32

            Love that movie.

          • knighn

            Underrated sci-fi fun.

        • JofreyRice

          Yeah, gotta give them kudos for the dumb picks they didn’t make. No Benjamin, No Manziel, picked up a 3rd. Reached a bit, but addressed a glaring need. Nothing wrong with that.
          I think the over under on sacks for year 1 Smith is about 3, depending on if he can work his way into a package on third downs. Hopefully he allows Davis to scheme up wide open looks for either or Barwin, because they can be used interchangeably. Neither one of those guys is going to win against NFL tackles consistently, but manufactured pressure feels the same as pressure from talented players.

          • oreofestar

            I would easily take over on that, Graham had that much and he played no snaps

          • JofreyRice

            It’s possible, I guess. I think 4 is as high as I could possibly predict. I mean, Trent Cole is a better passrusher as we type on this board, so Smith’s gotta prove he should be pinning his ears back on 3rd downs in favor of him, first. I can easily imagine a scenario where he plays about the same amount of snaps as Dion Jordan played last year, which is about what Graham played.

        • Joe from Easton

          ***copy of my post on a separate article***

          It was a smart pick. It wasn’t flashy or edgy or lock step with the experts. It was a pick that made our ROLB position better and Barwin better at the same time. We got a third rounder on top of it and now Graham is no longer needed so I hope they flip him. We all just need to have some patience. Trust me, I wanted to get on here last night and blast the pick, but I slept on it and woke up this morning with a clearer idea of what they were doing. Let’s also not forget that Gamble has a lot of input. Look out west at some team called the 49er’s; Gamble built that defense. This guy reminds me of Aldon a bit.

          • aub32

            I think the Aldon comparison is a bit of a stretch. I don’t hate the pick. It feels like a 2011 pick because it’s a definite reach for a definite need. They were able to trade back at least once. So I do give them credit for that. Also, there isn’t someone that they passed on that I’m upset we didn’t get, especially since I don’t think many expected Bucchanon to go so high. If Smith turns into a good but not great starting pass rusher, I will be happy. What it comes down to is what they do with the rest of the draft to show that sitting at 22 in order to keep our later picks was worth doing so.

          • Joe from Easton

            Well I only said “a bit”, so I guess calling bit a bit of a stretch is in line with that. I can see that in a vacuum the principle behind comparing it to ’11 is valid, but I don’t think the amount of reach is in line with some of those picks.

            Getting back to Aldon / Marcus, Combine numbers:

            Aldon:
            Height / Weight / Reach / Hands – 6’4″ / 263 lbs / 35 1/4″ / 9 3/4″
            40 yard – 4.78 seconds
            Bench – 20 Reps
            Vert – 34″
            Broad – 118″
            3 Cone – 7.19 seconds
            20 yard shuttle – 4.5 seconds

            Marcus:
            Height / Weight / Reach / Hands – 6’3″ / 251 lbs / 34″ / 10″
            40 yard – 4.68 seconds
            Bench – 23 Reps
            Vert – 35″
            Broad – 121″
            3 Cone – 7.48 seconds
            20 yard shuttle – 4.47 seconds

            Not too far off.

          • aub32

            I’ve never been one for using measurable alone to compare two players. There are too many workout warriors and Janes pretending to be Tarzan. I am not saying that Smith will be one of these guys. I just think Smith is and was much more highly regarded due to more than just his measurables.

          • Joe from Easton

            Again, “a bit”. I’m not saying he’s the same player, but his measurables are very similar and I would even contend that the playing style is similar. They’re both speed guys with good length and athleticism. Aldon developed some pass rushing moves and voila, bona fide pass rusher. I think Marcus has a chance to do the same and I think he’s better in coverage than Aldon already.

          • Joe from Easton

            I’d even go further and say that the character of the two are no where near analogous and in this specific comparison that is a very good thing. This guy, by all accounts, is a humble and hard working player. I think he’ll reach the ceiling set by his measurables and not get caught with drugs / DUI / bomb threat / whatever like Aldon.

      • Eagledelphia

        I Wouldn’t say Roby was a reach for the Broncos he fit a need and has potential to be a pretty good player

    • Andy124

      Oddly enough, Token’s not too down on it, and you know me, I’ve been spewing positives all over these boards as they occurred to me ever since he was picked. I’ll attempt to roll them all up…

      • aub32

        I was surprised to see that. It’s been a while since I have seen a real hate post from him. I wonder if he’s ok.

        • Andy124

          He was himself during the live draft thread. Oh we’re screwed, we’re definitely drafting Manziel.
          …until someone else expressed fear that we would draft another undesirable, then they were told that pick was a given and they should get used to it.

    • Andy124

      We needed a pass rusher and we got the best one
      left on the board.

      I don’t think there’s any chance he was going to
      be there at 54. We’d have been left hoping At-At fell, and there’s no guarantee
      of that, and he’s not as good of a fit anyway.

      When you think about what Chip wants, long arms,
      big hands, athleticism, versatility and think about how that describes Marcus
      perfectly. But this wasn’t a jack of all trades, master of none. The “versatile”
      guy was still 2nd in the nation in sacks, it’s hard to imagine he
      wasn’t at the top of their board at that spot.

      I think that means that BPA and need met in a
      perfect marriage.

      A number of people (retweets) have claimed there
      was no way Marcus was making it past 35.

      We got the best pass rusher available at #22,
      but did so at #26 and added a 3rd round pick to him.

      According to the points chart, that move from 22
      to 26 should have netted a 4th instead of a 3rd.

      34 inch arms!

      Geagle’s reactions when he calls one are fun.

      One of the better football guys over at IB
      D3something, has been touting this guy for months. He loved him.

      I can’t think of anyone else I’d have rather
      had. Certainly not Marquise Lee.

      • cliff henny

        picture Johnny G having kittens when pick was announced, then shutting down igglesblitz’s server with 100 5k word post in 7 minutes

        • Andy124

          I popped in to IB. He was ecstatic. Some other guy who’s almost always unpleasant was really trying to piss in everyone’s cheerios though.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            That was Shah8.

          • cliff henny

            think he means charlie kelly. had to pop over and read JGs posts, know you are happy, you liked Smith for awhile

          • Andy124

            Cliff is correct.

          • NickS1

            Ew, pee cheerios sound disgusting.

          • Andy124

            Yeah, not my favorite.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I’ve been touting this kid for months. Especially when people have been drooling over Dee Ford. Marcus is a complete LB, does everything well but excels in pass rush. And he’s only been playing LB/DE for 3yrs. His experience as a QB brings a cerebral aspect and allows him to transition and see the field naturally.

      I’ve been saying for months that Marcus would not last to 40, let alone 54. That he’d most likely go by very early in 2nd. I also said my dream scenario was trading back to late late first, early 2nd, picking up another mid rounder and getting Smith. Check the history. Guess what? That happened. I’m ecstatic over getting Smith.

      • aub32

        I remember speaking with you about him yesterday, and you definitely got what you wanted. I’m not down on the pick, especially since they were able to trade back at least once. I had no interest in Dee Ford, more of a 4-3 guy in my opinion, and my is that there would soon be a run on pass rushers in the 2nd, not that there are many to choose from. I am content with the pick since everyone I really wanted was already gone. Ha Ha was only one pick away though.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Yeah I agree that we grabbed him a little earlier than I thought we’d trade back. However, I loved the kid so I’m not gonna complain about 5-10 spots too early. They needed this after MIA leaped us last year, Cole/Graham didn’t exactly transition, we couldn’t secure Dion once again and then there was a dry FA market. This is a position that needed to be addressed early with a guy that fit. I’ve been saying this for a while but Smith is the best complete package at OLB outside of Mack.

          • aub32

            Personally I would have preferred Barr, but I didn’t see him going 9 to the Vikes. So I am not upset we didn’t trade to get into the top 10. I really thought we had a chance at Ha Ha. I am interested in seeing how far the receivers continue to fall. I really don’t expect too many to make it to #54. I could def see CLE, NY, OAK, STL, JAX, TEN, and BAL all looking to get one of these WRs.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Very true. I think we’ll see a run on the WRs, QBs & LB/DEs in rd2. Of course my hope is that it’s more the QBs & LB/DEs.

          • aub32

            I could see us going LB again if all the WRs get picked before 22. I’m starting to realize Howie meant what he said about getting a 2nd round receiving talent in the 4th. Clearly they don’t covet any of the guys currently available. I am still worried about Mac being the #1 option coming off a knee injury.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            By the way, I wanted Barr too. Just thought he was out of reach. I coveted Smith though as I think he’ll transition much quicker and has much less of a bust factor. Especially now that Barr is going to a 4-3 in MIN. I still don’t get that unless they’re switching it up.

          • aub32

            I’m with you. I didn’t see Barr as a target for the Vikes, especially after giving all that money to Everson.

          • Joe from Easton

            I’m hoping we use our fourth and 54 to get up to the mid 40′s and get one of them.

          • Joe from Easton

            Heck our 54 and new 86th would probably get us up to 37 or 38 if they’re in love with some one.

      • Richard Colton

        Yep. you got your boy. Now can we get KVN or Jones?

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I think if they can look past the failed DT Jones is very likely.

      • h

        reminds me of johnson a little bit. high upside. new to the position. versatile.

  • anon

    Question — who would people have wanted at that pick? Trading back further wasn’t an option.

    • Andy124

      Marcus Smith. :)

    • Will

      Honestly, if they weren’t going to take Lee and ODB was already gone; I don’t think there were too many options. A few other teams “reached” at the end of the round. We have a player who would have gone in the early to mid second and an extra 3rd. I’m ok with it.

      • anon

        Yeah I wanted Ealy, but this guy is an OLB, another Barwin. Maybe we have higher hopes for Graham than i would have thought so we don’t need that 3rd round pass rushing guy.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I’d argue that Smith is not another Barwin. He’s a much more fluid pass rusher than Barwin and also more natural with his hand in the dirt on sub packages. Where Barwin excels (coverage/setting edge), Smith is good, not great. Where Barwin is good, not great, Smith excels (pass rushing, looping and stunting).

          Just because Smith is a natural OLB that can do everything well, doesn’t mean there aren’t things he does do better than others.

    • cliff henny

      have to see if Atta-guy is there at #54, pretty sure it’s safe to say Smith was going before #40. Smith was a 1st/2nd tweener, pick was at #26, he came with a 3rd too. why tradeback to 26, then have to trade up from 54 in desperate attempt when no OLBs are left? seriously rolling the dice if they passed on Smith. think whole round reach is much, it’s 1/2 or 1/4 round reach.

      • NickS1

        Where’s LAmarcus going to land? Could the Eagles net Marcus and LAmarcus daaaaarrrllings in rounds one and two, and nab two receivers in the third? I’m just throwing stuff at walls here.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I’d rather target WR in 2nd, an ILB prospect (Van Noy, C Jones?) & Tre Mason in 3rd. Another possibility in 3rd would be a depth/developmental pick in say a Will Clarke to backup Barwin, CB, S, OL, another WR?

          • NickS1

            Eagles don’t “target” though. They go BPA and adjust for need accordingly.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            No doubt. This could fall either way based on the board. I’m speaking in those terms. If I’m picking at 54, I’m looking at my board and right now WRs hold more weight to my team. That said, I’m not gonna take a Davante Adams over a prime value pick at a position of less need.

  • Will

    Deone Buccanon or Kevin Bejamin the next two off the board either one would of been fine…

    • anon

      Buccanon would have been nice — i’m guessing only late round safeties.

      • Will

        Pryor, HaHa , Buccanon and Ward gone so why waste a pick now….

  • aub32

    Tim/Sheil. I heard this morning that the Vikings were also trying to trade up to 22 for Manziel. Any idea what they were offering?

    • anon

      They didn’t have another first to offer – probably picks in next year’s draft.

      • aub32

        I was thinking their 2nd, 3rd, and maybe a 5th

        • anon

          if that was the offer interesting they didn’t take it. Maybe there was someone Eagles actually wanted in rd. 1 that they didn’t get.

          • aub32

            That’s what I am thinking. I would think that Smith would have been there in the 2nd. Maybe they really wanted the early 3rd round pick so that they have the option of moving back into the 2nd or taking someone who just falls out of the 2nd.

  • cliff henny

    anyone else laughout ‘another fastball for Fat Andy’ when Dee Ford was announced? the guy just cant stop

    • Andy124

      yes

    • Hanibal Luis

      I did :D

      Gotta love the CK PC versus the AR PCs of days past.

    • NickS1

      I got a little nervous when I later last night I heard McShay call Smith a guy with a good motor. Sounded like nails on a chalkboard.

    • myeaglescantwin

      shows that he has learned NOTHING over the past 10 years.

      • knighn

        Andy Reid loves to pick his small lineman early.

    • CJ

      yes, I LOLd

    • mtn_green

      Yup

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Perfect fit. Overrated, undersized pass rusher. Let’s be honest. How many times did Andy hit on taking these guys?

      • cliff henny

        once, Cole. feel bad for KC fans, wont take long for Reid to destroy it, and who knows what they’re doing at QB.

        • Andy124

          nah, not overrated, 5th round pick

          • cliff henny

            more the hitting on part. being drafted in 5th by definition means he cant be overrated

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Overrated in AR’s eyes I mean. Maybe overvalued is a better word. Andy overvalues high effort guys with quick first steps. That’s all he sees and doesn’t look deeper. If he looked deeper he’d see a guy that struggles mightily against the run, actually dismisses it. Shoots upfield and becomes a liability in the run game. Needed to play on the left side because when he played on the right, he struggled against LTs that traditionally are better pass protectors with better feet to counter speed rushers.

    • B-West

      Andy got us out of a tough spot. Its clear to me that the Birds got stuck between draft tiers. The fact that Andy was going to take Manziel shot our pick value through the roof. So they only had to move back 4 spots, picked up the 3rd rounder, and they got the guy they targeted.

  • Will

    What should the Eagles do at #54? WR? BPA….

    • Richard Colton

      Not Safety. Talk about overdraft. I can’t believe 4 Safeties went in round one. At least three of them were 2nd round guys. Token’s right about S becoming a premium position.

      • Will

        I was shocked the Niners took Ward at 30. Didn’t Deone going that early either.

        • Richard Colton

          That blew my mind. I had the Eagles stealing Buchanan in the 2nd. Can’t believe where he went.

          • Will

            There was run on safeties, I hope there is run on pass rushers in the second round and QBs

          • Richard Colton

            you saw that run start last night at pick 32

      • Will

        Knew Safeties would go first before OLB’s Deone Buccanon was there for the taking….

      • Uncle Wonder

        It was accepted that this class was short on S talent. Teams needing help there knew they only had so much opportunity so they made sure they got it done the first time around. Not much different than what we did with Smith. I can see Brooks, Joyner, Reynolds, Bailey all going in the 2nd. Pretty slim pickings after that.

        • Richard Colton

          Slim pickings there too. You have 5th round guys going in the second. I really hope they don’t take a safety at all now.

          • Uncle Wonder

            I don’t really think they go WR in the 2nd either, barring some sort of trade. It’s counterintuitive to call this the deepest WR draft in many years then try to get one so early. It isnt sexy but I wouldnt mind OG or even TE. I guess it all depends on what the identity of this team will be. Too early to tell on that, but if last year and Chip’s Oregon days are any hint then the running game (RB, OL) could be due for new talent. Plus we need the heir apparents for TH and EM. Could EM be trade fodder?

          • Richard Colton

            trade fodder? would you trade for 31 y/o lineman?

            I don’t think we make a player trade at all – not even Graham or Curry. I do think you’re right about O-line though. Not a single pure guard was taken last night. Say Su’a Filo drops to #40? Would you spend a 5th to move up and take him? I would. Crazy value.

          • Uncle Wonder

            I could be talked into it if the price is right. There should be a few quality guards free for the taking tonight.

          • Richard Colton

            agree. no Canadians though.

          • Max Lightfoot

            I would, too. I’d have even been happy with Su’a-Filo at No. 26 because we still need O-line depth. With the emergence of Ertz and addition of Sproles, I don’t see WR as an early screaming need. OLB was an early screaming need – and needy teams reach all the time.

    • Will

      Take the best out of available OL,CB or WR. Ill be hoping for Cody Lattimer though.

      • Richard Colton

        or TE. Or OLB/ILB. OR DE. Possibly NT.

        • Will

          I forgot about NT and ILB. I think we can hold off on TE until next year or the year after.

    • Hanibal Luis

      “Reach” for a former basketball player who never played TE but has a high ceiling.

    • RIP illa

      If they go WR, then I’m hoping for Lattimer. I think he could/can be what we were trying to get when we got Benn. A big bodied guy, who has the strength and speed to take short passes and screens and make a DB miss or run right through them for extra yards. Plus he’s not bad at making plays downfield and in the intermediate.

      If we go DB then I really want us to get Phillip Gaines. Kid just fits everything Davis and Kelly, have talked about and/or alluded too, from the position.

      Plus, I’ll be waiting to see if there’s gonna be a run on LBs. Specifically ILB. If so then I may be wanting them to pull the trigger a bit earlier, if I think there’s a threat that Jones won’t be there in the 3rd. I’m thinking KVN goes way early, so we don’t have a shot at him.

      • Andy124

        What if Benn becomes what Benn always could have been (sports science) and so does Lattimer (1 drop all season). That’d be swell.

        • RIP illa

          Odds are not in favor of it, so I’d like to see us pick someone younger and who doesn’t have the wear and tear. Plus, Benn has always had suspect hands to go along with his injury history and overall bust status. However, if he were to become that player, I see no harm in drafting Lattimer still. Just gives us better options to push Smith down, and Mahel and/or Johnson out the door.

          If it’s A-Rob, to give us another big behind Coop, then so be it. Just like the Smith pick…I’m not gonna be excited, but I won’t be miserable either. But I just don’t see future #1 potential or even dominant number two potential in him.

          • Andy124

            Totally meant Lattimer to go along with Benn, not Benn instead of Lattimer.

            I’d be extremely excited about any of the big 3 we’ve been projecting in the 2nd.

          • RIP illa

            Oh. I must have misread, my bad.

      • NCBiRDMann22

        Phillip Gaines could be one of the steals of this draft. His range is awesome!

        • RIP illa

          He’s honestly been my favorite DB, since I saw him go through drills at the combine. Just so smooth.

        • Hanibal Luis

          That’s who I dig at CB. Love his speed.

      • Andy124

        Honestly, I think the receiver will be coming off the board this round,
        Lee-Lattimer-Matthews in order, leaving us with A-Rob all be himself, looking to stay in state when we pick at #54. It’s destiny. Bias aside, that is the order I think the receivers will be drafted.

        • RIP illa

          You’re probably right. I just don’t like not having a legit, speed, downfield threat. That’s why I can’t get hyped about A-Rob. Well that, and the fact that I think Lattimer can do so many things at all levels, while I see A-Rob just as a go up and get it type of player. I think he doesn’t have enough speed to be a downfield threat. I can see him beasting in the intermediate part of the field, sorta like Boldin, but just way bigger. And I don’t think he’ll bring much to the short/screen game, other than blocking and/or putting his head down for an extra yard or two. I would like to see more short area quickness and the ability to make someone miss, so that yard or two, can turn into 4-5 yards or more.
          I think Lee will be the 1st one off, followed by Matthews. And I’m hoping some teams fall in love with Adams and Robinson, so we can snag Lattimer.

          • Andy124

            That’s all fair.

            Trying to make an objective case for A-Rob, he doesn’t play like a burner, but her certainly plays faster than his combine 40 time. He had plenty of success on deep routes using his size and savvy, and I thought he was really nifty in the screen game and after the catch in general. He’s smooth and has great instincts on where to go to get the extra yards.

            I’d be concerned about the lack of blocking if it was an indicator of a lack of toughness, but there’s no lack of physicality to his game. He can be coached to block. I don’t think that will be an issue in the least.

          • Hanibal Luis

            If they get a big guy first, I would take a flier on Richardson later if he’s around.

          • RIP illa

            I can understand that. Although, I would like them to stay within the size/speed combo. So I’m thinking along the lines of Washinton, Bryant, Janis, for later on. Although I loved me some DJax, since we moved away from him, I would not like us to go back to a rail thin Richardson. My wildcard of later round guys would be Huff. Doesn’t have the height, but has really good size (weight) and works hard to go get it. Also maybe can be a a returner.

          • Andy124

            Keep forgetting about Janis. Have to wonder where he’d be rated if he played in a major conference. Would love to add him to who A-RobLattimerMatthews.

          • RIP illa

            Who knows, but he’s got legit measurables and decent hands. As with all small school prospects, like him and at the WO position…It will be about how well he runs his routes and if he can create space. Right now I can’t get past the feeling that he will go undrafted. If so I hope we get him and maybe one or two more WOs, but more likely just one more. I wasn’t impressed with our UDFA haul last year. Especially Sheppard.

          • Richard Colton

            I like him – wouldn’t go higher than 5th though. That’s our “Saginaw Valley State” round.

          • Andy124

            That would be ideal.

            So here’s the question, Christian Jones and A-RobMatthewsLattimer or KVM and MoncriefBryant?

            I’d prefer the former.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            CJ & ARob/Mathews/Latimer. I think you might be able to utilize CJ in the same manner as KVN. He can be a sub package ILB/DE & also train to backup Barwin. As much as I like KVN, I’d rather not settle for scraps on the WR spot.

          • Hanibal Luis

            I hear ya. I think we are all throwing out good names according to our personal preferences. But we already seen CK gets who he likes/wants and doesn’t take anyone just because they are whats left, so if they do come out with 2 WRs, its going to be interesting who they are. I won’t complain if isn’t anyone who I liked but be more like,”oh, ok, that’s what he’s looking for”.

  • NCBiRDMann22

    A-RoB or give me more defense.

    • George

      or lattimer

      • NCBiRDMann22

        no small WR. If they cant get the guy they want then go crazy and pick D heavy and build a tough D like the old days.

        • oreofestar

          Latimer isn’t small

          • NCBiRDMann22

            oh I am aware…I like his size.

        • Andy124

          I read that first sentence as a reason you don’t want Lattimer, who’s 6’2″+. Probably just not how you meant it.

        • Will

          Would you be ok with Dri Archer in the 4th or 5th?

          • George

            if chip sees him as a sproles replacement 2-3yrs down the road, then i’m all in

          • oreofestar

            Not really I mean we basically got a better Dri with our 5th in Sproles

          • Will

            True, but Dri can really stretch the field at WR like Desean did. But he is a toy we don’t “need.”

  • IG:blkboyflyy

    The Saints moved up from #27 to # 20 for Brandin Cooks Sheil

  • Hanibal Luis

    This will be interesting. We will never know if ODB or Cooks were really high targets, but passing on Lee is telling. Now with pretty much all the 2nd round and on value picks at WR still around, the next pick, if it is a WR might be quite telling on what CK prefers at the position.

    I’m excited. It’s not the wine talking.

    • anon

      could wait until the 3rd, we have two picks

      • oreofestar

        I would like to scoop up a wr now in 2nd than look at DBS and ILB

      • Hanibal Luis

        Sure, I was speaking in general terms. Heck, 2nd round could be TE or OG or S or anything. I just meant whoever and whenever they do get that WR.

        This past year was CK evaluating what they had on the roster. This year, he might be looking to get 1 or 2 of his type of guys. Obviously, they were not there at 22 or 26.

        • anon

          be interesting if he goes for a big guy or a producer like landry or lattimore — i think lattimore won’t be there, matthews could be but i don’t love him.

          • Hanibal Luis

            Ah, but if they trade that extra 3rd to go get Latimer, that might be interesting too. No Mathews for me either.

          • anon

            you think lattimer worth a second and third? i don’t know how much they love him — if that’s the case just take lattimer now and trade up – every team needs a WR not every one needs a 3-4 OLB.

          • oreofestar

            I like Latimer but that 3rd is gold to me I am not moving it

          • Hanibal Luis

            It’s not what I think it’s worth or what the pundits think he’s worth, who thought they would take Smith at 26, but where CK and the gang have him rated and if they want him that bad.

            CK has some of that Belichick in him. That’s why I find it interesting.

          • Will

            I like Allen Robinson, if we cant get Latt

  • oreofestar

    Clay Mathews. Drafted 26th Overall. 6’3 250 ran a 4.6. 23 bench reps. Vert 35.
    Marcus Smith. Drafted 26th Overall. 6’3 250 ran a 4.6. 23 bench reps. Vert 35

    • anon

      he doesn’t look as mean as matthews or have the lineage.

      • Andy124

        No Eagles fan is allowed to mention lineage as a positive trait.

        • Hanibal Luis

          Mathews and Smith don’t shake hands, they hug.

      • Joe Thomas

        Casey has lineage

    • Will

      wow…that’s like too scary…bust written all over it…doesn’t measure heart….

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Hey negative Nancy, we get you didn’t like the pick. 12 step program??…

        Just busting your chops brother…lol.

        • Will

          hey have to give Marcus Smith a chance now and wait to see him on the field….focused on #54 now….wondering if they go WR and or who might still be on the board….

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Good. You’ll be happy trust me. Had Smith played in bigger program or prime conference, he’d most likely have gone top 15 easy.

    • Richard Colton

      tell me about Smith’s hair

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Keeps it pretty short with a little wave on top & tight on the sides… lol.

  • Eagledelphia

    Please don’t let Lee Lattimer Matthews and Robinson all be gone by 54 I’m not as excited by the thought of Moncrief or Bryant as others apparently

    • oreofestar

      I could live with Moncrief not Bryant

    • NickS1

      Lattimer, Robinson, or Matthews, in that order, are my preferences. Not big on Lee, Moncreif, or Bryant.

    • h

      i dont get the dislike for bryant. 6’4″ and a 4.4 forty? i think he was overshadowed by playing with sammy watkins but he has huge potential. i know he could put on some weight but he pretty much has the same build as aj green and is a big redzone threat.

      • NCBiRDMann22

        And he Blocked all day for Clemson. Take a look at some of his game tape. Would mind beefing him up with some Chip smoothies. Might be a stud in a few years.

      • Eagledelphia

        He didnt play up to that size or speed at all and he had plenty of opportunity to shine look at Deandre hopkins he played next to Watkins and was still drafted in the first round Bryant just doesn’t play like a 6’4 4.4 forty guy and probably never will

        • h

          look at his game against ohio state.

          played with size and speed. i agree he wasnt consistent in college but obviously sammy watkins is going to get more looks. the upside with bryant is huge

  • Joe Thomas

    I heard Lee doesnt like smoothies, thats what dropped him from our board

    • NCBiRDMann22

      great in space but pretty slow though. I hope they stay away from him.

      • Token

        40 time for a WR is incredibly over rated. Theres more to it then that. The top 3 or 4 WRs left, none of them are what you would call fast. So I think you will be disappointed.

        • NCBiRDMann22

          Latimer 4.38. I would say that’s a burner.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Yeah 4.4 isn’t exactly slow.

  • oreofestar

    AROB or Latimer would be ideal at 54 lets hope

  • oreofestar

    Man there is no way you could convince me this time last year that Lee would be a day 2 pick

    • Will

      Lee got injured and didn’t put up good numbers last year not surprised he is still available…

      • oreofestar

        I am not surprised NOW but this time last year if you said it I would be shocked

        • oreofestar

          if he came out last year he would have been a top 10 pick

          • anon

            that’s what they said about MB and i think he was overdrafted

          • oreofestar

            That is what I am saying what a difference a year makes I agree Lee really is a 25-40 talent in this draft but if you told me that last year I would disagree as far as we are concerned Mariota might be a 3rd rounder next year

      • Token

        In a mess of a situation last year. Lee in the 2nd is very good value. Him and Robinson are the only two WRs left that can step in day one and make some plays IMO. Maybe Matthews too. But I think hes down a peg from those two.

  • oreofestar

    So are all the invites coming back because there were quite a few of the not picked. Ealy, Martin,Matthews, Garapollo, Moses, Latimer etc.

  • oreofestar

    If we get Latimer or Arob then get Kirksey and Baptiste round 3 and leave day 2 with Smith, Latimer, Baptiste and Kirksey than damn

    • NCBiRDMann22

      what about switching Baptiste with Philip Gaines and then add a Telvin Smith or a Christan Jones into that mix…that would be wild for this D.

      • Will

        ooo That sounds nasty

      • oreofestar

        I don’t mind Jones or Kirksey honestly I am with Geagle in being a bit of a Kirksey fanboy because h can make some incredible plays and has a higher celing

        • Richard Colton

          “higher” is right – failed drug test means he could be there on day three.

      • Richard Colton

        Now you’re speaking my language.

      • Hanibal Luis

        I dig. Telvin needs to get a number under 50, just in case ;)

        • NCBiRDMann22

          My thoughts exactly. That dude will strike fear in Eli and (Broke back Cowboy)Romo.

          • Hanibal Luis

            For text purposes, lets call him BBCR from now on.

    • Neanderthal

      Keith McGill instead of Baptists and I’m good

      • Richard Colton

        McGill’s older than John the Baptist. How about Desir with one of those 3rds instead?

        • Neanderthal

          I guess I like McGills size, but then what do I know.

          • Richard Colton

            Desir is over 6′ – he’ll be there in round three.

          • Uncle Wonder

            He aint a spring chicken either…will be 24 around week 1

    • Javi Echie

      Pierre Desir is a name to watch he has fluid hips SJB is very overrated I’d rather have Desir, Exum, or McGill

      • Hanibal Luis

        Mmmm, fluid hips.

  • Hanibal Luis

    I don’t look at the draft as to what players fill what positional need. This is what I’m tired of seeing on my fav team:

    1. Little to no sacks: don’t care where they come from, get some
    2. TEs and slot receivers having their way with the middle: don’t care who does it, stop them
    3. I should be able to go to the bathroom on any field goal inside 40yds and not worry: don’t care who does it, get the 3pts
    4. Opponents need to fear the return teams, I want at least 3-4 TDs and great field position: I don’t care what position (WR, RB, S, CB, Tim Tebow, Lindsey Vonn, whoever), just get it done

  • NickS1

    Any bold predictions for the second round, since no one saw us taking Smith at 26? I’ll start it off: Lamarcus Joyner. Time’s yours.

    • anon

      tre mason

      • NickS1

        Nice. Could happen, depending on how the board falls.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I actually like Mason A LOT for us.

      • Javi Echie

        Maybe in the third definitely not the second

      • Token

        Yea Shady is due a boatload next year, trade or cut him.

        • anon

          i’m sort of with you there. i think shady knows that too–better start talking restructure.

        • aub32

          You already got rid of Jackson. Will you not be happy. Ugh

    • Neanderthal

      I would be trying to see what picks I could get for next yrs #1

      • NickS1

        I actually thought about the possibility of trading next year’s 2nd. Only reason being so I could try to trade out of the first to get picks back.

        • Neanderthal

          I figure and pick in first 6-7 tonite is better than what we can get next yr in First.

    • oreofestar

      Hmmm Bold eh… would Tuitt count as bold

    • Richard Colton

      O-line in round two

  • oreofestar

    Redskins actually have some pretty good O Line options here at 34 DBS were depleted in round 1 so unless they reach they won’t go there

    • Andy124

      So what you’re saying is, they’re taking a running back.

    • Hanibal Luis

      I had to WebMD “DBS were depleted”

  • NCBiRDMann22

    Marcus smith, Kendricks, DeMeCo, Barwin, Back ups Trent Cole/Smith who ever wins the spot…Christan Jones/Telvin smith and Casey Mathews as the waterboy…WOW

    • NickS1

      Don’t forget Goode and Acho.

      • Richard Colton

        already forgotten. Knott gonna be on the team, they can Henery up and leave.

        • NickS1

          Acho might not be, Goode definitely will be here.

          • Richard Colton

            wait until you see how many linebackers we draft tonight

          • NCBiRDMann22

            LBS and CB all day…would be glorious. Need that D playing tough against this schedule we have this year. No room for softness.

          • NickS1

            I hope we get 1 more, I’d be shocked if we pick up more than one, though. Who do you think we pick up? I’m thinking some C. Jones with our 3rd.

          • Richard Colton

            Yep. I’d say use a later round pick to trade up in the 2nd to take Van Noy or Jones with #86.

  • jpate

    I’m ok with the pick I guess. But it sucks to hear the board didn’t fall our way. The jets threw a wrench in that. If they had just gone with a receiver which was a bigger need there would of been 2 safties on the board for GB and they might of gone with Pryor, leaving us Ha-Ha.

  • oreofestar

    people will see when Van Noy, Attaochu and Lawrence are all gone at 54 that getting the 3rd best OLB in the draft at 26 was fine

    • Andy124

      I’m high on the pick, but which one aren’t you counting, Clowney, Mack or Barr?

      • h

        barr id think. guys going to be a bust

        • Richard Colton

          I see your grapes are as sour as mine

          • Hanibal Luis

            The wine will still taste good.

      • aub32

        Maybe he’s including Clowney as a DE and not an OLB.

      • Richard Colton

        a 3-4 team took Clowney – has to be considered OLB now, right?

        • aub32

          Nope. You change the scheme to fit Clowney lol

  • myeaglescantwin

    Because BIG PEOPLE BEAT UP LITTLE PEOPLE.

    if you look at the two #1 picks from Chiper McHowie, they have both been prototype style athletes. Not necessarily the fundamentally sound, 100% first round pick to starter types.

    Furthermore, It shows the Eagles know, or at least have an idea of the type of players they want. Tall, long, strong, athletic and versatile.
    The defensive players selected are all bigger guys, with strong leverage points. Logan, Kruger, Smith, all have 33-34″ arms.
    chip’s presser, “long levers are strong levers”.

    leads me to think that a few of those bigger DB’s will be selected tonight and tomorrow. Also, watch for some power moves to boost the OL & DL in these next few rds.

    • Hanibal Luis

      And that’s what I love about CK. Even if ultimately fails, at least he goes down swinging with a plan, a real plan.

      I appreciate AR for a lot of things he did, but too many times it seemed he drafted on gut feeling and “fast balls” and “this guy’s is a player” or some all pro’s cousin or pen pal.

      • myeaglescantwin

        true, and we saw the extent of his arrogance yet again last night.
        He goes and drafts another undersized DL with “great motor”.

        so happy Chipper’s fundamental personnel decisions are about size and talent over the intangibles that Andy loved so much.

        it is my first belief that if Andy believed in larger defenders, we would have at least one trophy. but he doesn’t and we don’t.

        • Hanibal Luis

          Or value LBs in general or talent, you know, the little things that matter in pro football.

          Let’s bring in Matt McCoy for a chat. Matt, were you surprised to be a 2nd round pick? We sure were. Was it the dark visor that hindered your progress?

          • myeaglescantwin

            hahahaah,,, couldn’t have been the lack of size and talent.. NNNNNNNNNNNNNaaaa.

          • Hanibal Luis

            Hey, you knock that off! Matt McCoy played for the Seahawks darn diggity. :P

          • myeaglescantwin

            true true..

            who was that he traded for Daryl Tapp?? how many sacks did he have with Seattle the past three years??

          • Hanibal Luis

            Nah, Tapp went for Clemons. McCoy was a good presence on the team. (no clue, just pulling things from were the sun don’t shine).

          • myeaglescantwin

            Clemons went on to have 3 straight years of 11 sacks.

          • Hanibal Luis

            Oh, that’s what you meant. I thought you meant McCoy :D Yeah, that was a bummer but look who had his finger on the button then.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Dee Ford was the guy chip was speaking of that they were hoping was there after dropping back at 26. Laugh all you want. Dee was the pick

    • NCBiRDMann22

      Yeah a real fastball right…? Lol Andy doesn’t live here anymore.

  • Kev_H

    Why Eagles passed on Football? Really? Did someone have a hard time sleeping thinking about that?

  • willissez

    Interesting that Howie is admitting that they had a list of 6 guys and they were all gone, I hope nobody tells that to Marcus. Also, how can I get my hands on that list?

    • Scott J

      It was Kelly who said that, not Howie.

      • willissez

        Howie said it on the radio a bit ago, though I can fully believe Chip said it too.

        • Scott J

          Chip said it last night. I guess it’s now the company line. LOL.

    • Hanibal Luis

      You need at least 10″ hands to do so.

    • knighn

      CK has admitted that the Eagles would have taken Dion Jordan if he were there last year. Maybe he’s expecting his players to be men and prove that they are the best players instead of totally coddling them like they’re children. He’s got a history of this.

  • Jerry Pomroy
    • JofreyRice

      haha, so they took a “sleeper” in the first! Nice! just kidding bro, I know you love Smith, congrats.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Yeah, a sleeper to get into 1st rd.

  • oreofestar

    Wow pick 22 was getting a lot of love, Falcons and Vikes wanted that pick too

    • Will

      The Eagle’s did well to drop back and pick up a 3rd round pick…great value for #22….

      • aub32

        especially considering they only dropped 4 spots.

      • Hanibal Luis

        Hey Will, just for craps and giggles and old times sake, could you do an all LBs firstpick.com mock? :P

    • Hanibal Luis

      Where you see this?

  • Eagles1018

    Looked up Sheil’s Marcus Smith article. Check out this comment:

    cliff henny
    24 days ago
    guy looks impressive. assuming at 251, ex-qb he’s still in process of adding weight. really need a tradedown in 1st so can get 2 or 3 lbs including or like Smith to play kill the qb on 3rd and longs. still get big balls Chip more weapons to hang 50.

    Good job Henny…..

    • cliff henny

      do love the 3-4 defense. 1 qb killer down, KVN or CJones today and maybe a Powell in 6th Eags get for Graham to go. was always jealous of Steelers during draft for getting to draft LBs.

  • JAMIN67

    Gonna go off on a little rant here for a second, simply because I’m not looking forward to a day where so-called “Eagles fans” on sports radio spend the day complaining about the pick. The kid is too small…umm, he’s 6’3″, 250 lbs, with a frame that can support more weight. The kid didn’t do anything…umm, he had 14.5 sacks and was the Defensive Player of the Year in his conference. Yeah, but the kid played for Louisville…umm, yeah, and Khalil Mack played for that powerhouse known as Buffalo. Yeah, but he’s a converted QB…umm, and Barr is a converted RB. Yeah, but we need a WR…ummm yeah, and there’s at least 5-6 good ones left and we have a great shot to get one of them. Seriously, do people have to complain just to complain, without thinking? Look, there were NOT many good OLB prospects in this draft, and it was a position of need for us. We would have been ecstatic to get Barr…most people wanted to trade up for him. I honestly believe Smith is better NOW and has a higher ceiling. So we took him 5-10 picks earlier…big deal It’s not like we selected a 5th round guy in the 1st. We picked up a 3rd round pick, and got a quality guy at a position of need. There’s no guarantee this kid would have lasted til 35, let alone 54. And if we didn’t get him, these same people would be screaming that the sky is falling because we didn’t address a position of need and had no one to replace an aging Cole. Okay…rant over.

    • NCBiRDMann22

      Cheers!

    • Token

      Its really not hard…. they had no choice but to get a pass rusher. They didnt address it before the draft so they were backed into a corner. They reached for a need because there are so few rushers in this draft. They figure they can get a WR in the 2nd. Simple.

      But its a reach. You cant drink enough koolaid to make believe its not. Doesnt mean hes gonna suck, but lets try to live in reality here.

      If they can come out and get a top WR available in the 2nd then what does it really matter>?

      • JAMIN67

        Your definition of reach and mine are just different. A reach to me is selecting 3rd or 4th round talent in the 1st….not selecting a guy (at most) 10-12 picks above where he would most likely get taken. But I do agree, we get a WR that everyone loves…hey, people are happy and the sun will come out again. Maybe.

      • oreofestar

        Started seeing some mocks with him in the first close to draft plus Dan said some GMs said they swear he will be gone by 35 okay then so they get the 3rd best OLB in the draft pickup and extra 3rd and reach by about 10 picks

        • cliff henny

          picking up the 3rd rounder offsets any minor reaching. Eagles were in bit of a pickle, cant drop behind SF and Sea, and sitting at #54 hoping Attaguy or Smith drops would be nerving.

      • Goombachiphi

        If you are going to reach, not saying that they did, QB and OLB/DE are the positions to do it. easily the two most important. If they liked him and didn’t think he’d make it to the second, this makes perfect sense.

        If it’s a bust I reserve the right to freak out later.

        • JAMIN67

          Ditto. The entire draft is a crapshoot. Bottom line is we need to have a little faith in the people who are being paid to make these decisions and see these kids up close. Evidently they saw something they loved, and who is to say that other teams didn’t see the same?

          • southy

            In fact there is evidence that many “Execs” were quite high on this guy, as opposed to the “Experts”

        • sprawl

          Agreed–there’s a pretty good reason they weren’t able to address OLB in free agency.

          Howie probably saw which teams he was competing with in FA and could make an educated guess of where Marcus Smith would be gone based on that.

    • therealpistolp

      Aggressive fans who’ve had too much bud ice, butt hurt “experts,” and Angelo cataldi = stupid complaints all weekend about a good pick…

    • Scott J

      Well, it’s hard to argue with your logic! Well done.

    • Matthew B

      Yeah.. OK… So with the 22nd pick in a deep draft, the Birds get Marcus Smith (who is way better than most people know) AND an extra 3rd round pick….and they have a track record of doing really well with mid round picks… and people wan to complain? Actually, you can make a case that the Birds had the BEST first round of the draft…… I’m with you

      • JAMIN67

        Last night I was hoping that someone (maybe the Texans or Minny) would have tried to leap-frog AZ and grab Bridgewater or Carr, thinking that AZ might take one of them as an eventual successor to Palmer. Would have been awesome if we could have dropped another 5-10 spots and gotten another 3rd or 4th. My guess is the Eagles were fielding calls, and had a “safe range” that they would have traded back again, and still gotten Smith. Didn’t happen, so oh well. I’m happy with what they did. That 3rd rounder is huge.

        • Sean

          Howie did say they tried to trade back 2x once they were at 26, but it fell through

          • southy

            So they were looking to trade back, knew who they wanted, but had no confidence Smith would drop to 54. You don’t want to use the little ammo you have in the rest of the draft to trade up in the 2nd, so you take your guy and know there are a myriad of WRs on the board you’d be happy to have in the 2nd.

            It’s not optimal but it’s hard to fault the logic.

          • Sean

            All I mentioned was that Howie said he tried trading back again once at 26 since jamin67 was guessing they were fielding calls… where was I faulting logic or disagreeing with anything said?

    • Rick H

      Thank you! I have been watching Eagles since 1960. 80% of true Eagles get it. It is the small amount of boo birds in every town that make the noise. Simply put I have learned they are a distraction. So if the Eagles get Lee or Robinson or Mathews or Latimer or Moncrief or Bryant everyone will be excited PLUS the Eagles get the extra 3rd pick. QUESTION: What will it take for the Eagles to get back up in the 2nd rd? Their 2nd & a 5th or would it be a 4th? I am not saying they will but it makes sense if they like a particular guy like Lee…

      • Hanibal Luis

        Up vote for anyone who has suffered longer than most.

      • JofreyRice

        man, I hope all your faith and trust in them gets paid back one of these years!

        • Token

          lol yea. I dont get the blind faith routine every year. Not with this franchise. Especially when it comes to drafting.

          I dont know if Smith will suck or not. But I do know you probably could have got him later.

          O well. Draft broke down badly for them. Tho I would have taken Lee. Traded back up in the 2nd for Smith. But if they manage to get one of these 2 WRs Im good with it. They had no choice but to get a pass rusher. Thats the situation they put themselves in.

          • Hanibal Luis

            Do you mean every year since you started rooting for the team or every year of the CK/HR combo? You know, that long one year.
            Come on man, you have to optimistic sometimes, no?

          • Token

            Where does that get you? Be optimistic about your personnel life, your business….yea I get that. But about the football team? Ill stick to just being realistic about them. Dont get the benefit of fluffing everything just for the sake of fluffing it.

            For the record, I dont despise the pick. It could have been worse. And depending what they do in the 2nd it could be fine. But people bending backwards just to fluff it and then calling out people for rightly questioning it is just idiotic. Everyone wants to be the next Tommy Lawlor.

          • Hanibal Luis

            Alright, we differ on our definition of realism. Ok sir, this is where my train stops. Good luck rooting for your team. Have a good season.

      • JAMIN67

        I’m not a Lee fan, and the fact that he’s still out there leads me to believe that his drop rate is troubling teams, or something else. I see him as Maclin v2.0. I’d rather get Latimore or Matthews. 2nd and a 5th to move up? Do we need to? Or will they fall with most teams that need QB’s making that run in the 2nd round?

        • anon

          you’re worried about Lee’s drop rate and not concerned about Matthews? And the fact that he has a huge drop rate but only catches screens?

          • JAMIN67

            Matthews drop rate was 7.69% (with 6-7% being average); Lee’s was 12.31%…so yeah, that has me worried. And 46% of the passes Matthews caught were screens compared to about 20% for Lee (Watkins was the highest at almost 58%). My reasoning for Matthews is pretty simple: the whole time he was at Vanderbilt, everyone knew the ball was coming to him. Yet he STILL carried that offense and set SEC records. Personally, I’d be happy with Latimore too. Kid with good size, good speed, great blocker and tremendous work ethic. I think either would be a great fit for Chip.

          • anon

            Let’s say he catches all of his screens, that means he’s dropping WAY too many downfield passes. If he’s dropping screen passes that’s even worse.

            If he’s running 50% screens how is he going to be able to learn a full route tree?

          • JAMIN67

            If you ever watched tape on him, the kid is not just a screen catcher. He was a deep threat. He went over the middle. He took hits. Maybe that was how the coach at Vandy chose to utilize him, I don’t know. I look at the skillset and think “will this fly at the NFL level”. And with him, I think it does.

        • Token

          Im not even a big Lee fan, but dont get the hate. You see this kid block? He loves football. Seems like a good kid, leader too. He can excel at those bubble screens while also making plays down the field.

          Id really happy with him or Robinson right now. I really dont know about Matthews. Id take him over Latimer but dont have a great read on him. For me right now its Robinson-Lee-Matthews. Think they gotta snag one of them.

          • JAMIN67

            I don’t hate Lee, just not a big fan. I watch him and I just don’t see “it”…something that screams this kid is going to stand out as a WR.

      • Joe from Easton

        How high do you want to get up to? late 30′s would be our second and newly acquired 86th… mid to late 40′s (more so the late 40′s) would be our second and fourth.

        • Rick H

          I hear you on the actual trade chart but teams have deviated from that more often now. So to me if the Eagles really want someone and the other talent barren team needs picks at the top of the 2nd then they maybe willing to do a 2nd & 4th for the 35 to early 40′s.
          As for the other comments about me being such a long time Eagles fan in despair? I would not want to live in any other pro sports city. Philadelphia is the best! I do not evaluate in championships only. You have to live in the Philadelphia area for a life time or a long time to appreciate the greatness of our fans and the passion!
          Some other cities come close but they do not have the magical intangibles. .

    • Neanderthal

      Good rant. I said on here last night before pick, that I liked Smith better than Barr. I was hoping he would last to 54, but was not confident that he would. Really like him , but might have taken Buchannon there and tried to get Smith with trade up today.

      • NickS1

        Buchannon would have been considered a reach by our fans, too, I think. Pretty sure he was projected in basically the same range as Smith, in the 30-40 range.

        • Andy124

          And safety isn’t nearly the need that OLB is.

          • NickS1

            Fact.

        • Richard Colton

          the surprise of the draft for me was (other than Bortles at #3) the number of safeties in the first round. unreal.

          • JAMIN67

            Bortles was the shocker for me as well. And the fact that Jax took him…he’s like Gabbert v2.0. smh

          • Adam

            Huh? Pryor and Dix we knew were going in the 1st, only one other safety taken…

          • NickS1

            Yeah, I was shocked at that, and I was more shocked that they all came in the second half of the first round.

        • JAMIN67

          I don’t think I saw ONE mock by any of the “experts” that had Buchannon going in the first. He was a mid-2nd rounder by most accounts.

        • Neanderthal

          Agreed.

    • NickS1

      Nice rant, sir.

    • Amar

      My problem is not with Marcus Smith, it with where we took him. Immediately after we got him, there were 2 safeties taken and a chance missed to draft a highly ranked CB. We have Jenkins playing for the 1st time as an Eagle, Nate has a low ceiling and Earl is still unproven. Our corners aren’t the fastest or aggressive, we needed to address that.
      Also, we left the BPA and went with address the need at the worst time possible.

      • Adam

        This is just ridiculous. Pass rush is without a doubt the most important aspect of the defense and was by fair our biggest weakness last season. Plus, you’re not even factoring in scheme fit. Ward isn’t. Bucannon was a reach. Roby not a scheme fit and clearly his character concerns have caused him to drop.

        Almost no team in the NFL uses pure BPA approach. Need factors in. So does scheme. Hence why most boards, like the Eagles, are tiered.

        • IAteLunchToday

          When I saw it, I thought it was a bit of a reach. Then I saw Bucannon go which I, too, felt was a reach. Then when I saw Benjamin go, I said. Screw it, I’m happy.

        • Amar

          I disagree it was ‘by far’ the biggest weakness last season. It was the secondary that was our biggest concern (Minn and Denver games).

        • Zachary Kahn

          If you watch that New Orleans game the Eagles pass rush is definitely missing, especially in the 2nd half. I agree with you 100%, we needed to upgrade pass rush. It indirectly makes the the secondary better anyway.

    • Zachary Kahn

      Very well said. Initially I was very upset (a similar feeling to when they picked Watkins a few years ago) but now I see the logic behind the pick. I think it’s a good pick but I would still like to see them add a receiver in the 2nd or 3rd.

  • therealpistolp

    How do any of u guys no he went too early??? Who is your source??? Mel Kiper??? Mayock??? Berman??? Whose draft board were u privy to??? This guy was the next OLB on the Eagles board and probably many other teams… Late 1st, early 2nd ?? Who cares if he can play?? Extra 3rd and plenty of WR’s left…

    • oreofestar

      Yeah like I thought the Ju’Wuan James pick was bad but if they like him over Kouandijo, Moses and Fi-lo then who am I or any person in the media to judge we do not know GMs boards and can not assume they pefectly line up with the media

  • cliff henny

    hope when Falcons called about #22, Howie spoke about a 6th rdr for Graham.

  • anon

    all these reaching comments. think smith was highest 2nd round guy for us. we had to take him in the first oh well. that’s what it’s like when you pick at 26, we should get used to it.

    • oreofestar

      I think we may have legit had a first round grade on him he may have not been a reach at all

      • anon

        possibly, though ck said we had 6 guys and none fell, so that’s why i assume second round grade.

        • Kev_H

          But it also sounds like they’d have taken Smith at 22 if they couldn’t pull off a trade, since he says they didn’t want to drop too low and miss out on him.

          • anon

            yeah could be. But seems like they were trying to trade back again, they took 9.5 minutes to submit the pick. I think they couldn’t get a trade they wanted and so had to make the pick.

  • Hanibal Luis

    So maybe a month ago Smith was rated in the late 2nd or 3rd. But once the draft rolls around and folks start figuring out the value at OLB and whats available, he moved up. Nothing wrong with that.

    Look at the 2011 draft and all the lame QBs that got drafted high because so many teams were desperate. I mean Christian Ponder, really?

    Not saying I don’t like the pick, I do, but understanding the value of the pick as it correlates to the big board, the overall draft, what’s available and what many teams need is very important. Pass rushers in the era of throwing the ball 70% of the time is going to be a big need. Every team wants 1 or 2 or 4 of them on their team. And that’s why the pick was made earlier than the pundits thought.

    • Kev_H

      In your first paragraph it is important to understand who was doing the ratings you referred to Smith moving up. Just a bunch of hangers on who spend their days talking to each other (see such breaking stories as “reporters reporting on a conference call with another reporter” like we had here last week) and running through endless mock drafts.

      I doubt if those ratings applied to the Eagles or other teams or that Smith’s status changed much in recent months and weeks.

      • Hanibal Luis

        Good point, I wasn’t clear who I was speaking of. If it’s teams, then they probably know after the combine, pro days and personal visits how they rank the players. Plus, it depends on the team’s scheme and fit. Good chance, 4-3 teams don’t have him rated the same as 3-4 teams.

        That’s why although I like Clowney’s and Barr’s potential, they might have been drafted by the wrong teams. Ultimately, with their talent and if well coached they might shine through, but on paper, at least to me they are not good fits for the Texans and Vikes.

  • Scott J

    Hey people! WE GOT ANOTHER 3RD ROUND PICK TODAY!

    • Hanibal Luis

      Got another one? Three of them?!?!

      • Scott J

        Damn comedians!

        • Hanibal Luis

          Honestly, I thought I missed something, some random trade :D

          • Scott J

            LOL. No. It’s just that nobody is talking about it. It was a damn good trade.

          • Hanibal Luis

            Well sir, we soon will be. We have nothing better to do. At least I don’t. Or better to drink.

  • JofreyRice

    Saints are becoming the Eagles nemesis. Jumped up to get Cooks–they clearly wanted him. Crazy, because they had the guy that Cooks hopes to be as a pro, in house. Still don’t get that move, I’m hoping they grab a couple receivers today.

    • Scott J

      I’m surprised the Niners were so quiet. What’s the point of having 11 picks and not using them to move up in the first round?

      • anon

        soooo much depth today. They have lots of ammo.

    • Token

      Negadelphian!!!!!!!

  • NCBiRDMann22

    Brian Baldinger just hacked the Eagles for their pick of M.Smith in the first. I think everyone just needs to shove it. I think its gonna pan out foe the best. We had people calling to trade all the way up in the first giving up all our picks for Barr. I say go and watch tape of both of these guys back to back and see how much they are alike. And we got an extra 3rd back in…as these so called professionals have called…the deepest draft in a decade. D all day today.

    • Hanibal Luis

      McShay gave it a dumbs down too. Whatever. I like your idea of comparing him with Barr on tape. Let’s see him on the field first.

      • NickS1

        McShay is hardly ever right as well. I knew I felt good about this pick for a reason.

    • Andy124

      Baldy doesn’t like it… should quell the fears of most here. We all know he’s always wrong.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        My thoughts exactly! I heard him poo-poo the pick in favor of Dennard. But here is my question for Baldy… Would you rather have Dennard or Smith AND (insert fav late 3rd round talent here). This also gives them ammo to make an aggressive move up for another 2nd or a higher 3rd and still have another 3rd.

  • stamtown

    I can’t shake the feeling that the Saints are showing us that they are better organization at every turn.
    First, the playoff loss.
    Second, getting rid of Jenkins to get Byrd, despite their cap situation – what does that tell you about Jenkins?
    Third, Trading us an aging Sproles for a 5th round pick.
    Fourth, using a trade to move up for Cooks, an explosive, Sproles-like talent who the Eagles likely (or at least should have) coveted.

    pretty disturbing

    • Token

      yea thats not surprising.

      I asked yesterday if the Saints will win another title before the Eagles ever win one. Id say there better then a 50/50 chance of that happening.

      • stamtown

        Their window is probably shorter with Brees, but I’d agree

        • Token

          Mickey Loomis has pretty much been taking Howies lunch money all offseason. Its kinda embarrassing.

          • stamtown

            exactly.

        • Neanderthal

          Negadelphia x2

          • stamtown

            I’m not negative about the Eagles future. They’re clearly on the rise. My point is that they have been badly out-maneuvered by the Saints this season, and it’s cost them chances to significantly improve.

          • anon

            How so? I think CK is making the calls, not Howie. Additionally, if there was competition for Sproles then it took a fifth to get him. Likely we didn’t want to spend a first on a 5’9 WR…

          • stamtown

            Because Sproles is 30, 5’6 and has similar versatility to Cooks. I would have preferred to spend a 3rd/4th to trade up to 20 for him than a 5th for Sproles. Smith seems like much less of a sure thing than Cooks. Obviously some hindsight here but Saints played it perfectly to get their Sproles replacement

          • NCBiRDMann22

            you do understand that a 3rd was given up to move into position to grab Desean Jaccson 2.0…right?

          • anon

            You’d give up two high picks for Cooks?

          • stamtown

            a 3rd or a 4th. Not both. Re: below Cooks is not DJax 2.0 – he has a better attitude, willingness to go over the middle, and more versatility. Also, was DJax 1.0 so bad here? Don’t understand the point

          • anon

            For me — you’re giving up a first and a third to draft him. Maybe if he fell to #22, but no way they give up that for a guy that doesn’t fit CKs measurables.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            You think that point would have registered with the release of Jaccson…and Chips reason as to why.

          • anon

            I have guys i liked that there’s no way eagles take — Ealy, Landry, etc.

        • Token

          Screw a window too. What is a window and why does it matter? The Broncos window is what 3 years the day they signed Manning? If they win a title does it matter?

          Building a team with the intention of keeping a “window” forever open will likely lead to you never getting what matters, a title.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Don’t sleep on NO possibly taking a QB now to groom under Brees. My guess would be that they have their eye on Murray.

    • knighn

      Organizations in two different stages.
      Saints – been there, done that, trying to do it again before it all falls apart (Brees getting older).
      Eagles – still not 100% convinced they’ve got their QB. Trying to build up from the bottom.

  • NCBiRDMann22

    whats with the Negadelphia…Makes me sick. Stand by this team and trust in the process.

    • Token

      just stop. Go over to the official site and read more Spadaro. Maybe some Tommy Lawlor while your at it. They will tell you how great the Eagles are all day long. Most of us have watched this franchise for long enough to know that fluffing and trusting their every move is pretty moronic.

      • NCBiRDMann22

        Better yet turn all your gear in. Just weak…all the complaining if you think its cool to complain constantly that’s fine…just keep your venom out of here.

        • Token

          I havent bought Eagles “gear” in years. Reasons being im not 12 anymore so I dont wear jerseys and this franchise hasnt deserved any of my dollars. Lurie loves guys like you.

          Wait im lying, I bought a Eagles golf towel last year. Ugh, Lurie got me.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            Your a Hack…shouldn’t be aloud in here. Go be a giant or cowboy fan. Just embarrassing…

          • Token

            Obviously.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Now now boys. NC, Token is our token glass half empty guy. He doesn’t see through rosey glasses. He is very much a show me guy. Otherwise he’s not convinced and even then he’ll still knitpick. Doesn’t mean he’s not a fan. Just views it differently and expresses himself differently, but wants an Eagles victory all the same.

  • B-West

    I’m over criticizing the player just because the team reached. But anyone trying to say they didn’t reach for this pick is kidding themselves. Any anybody that doesn’t realize that reaching for a player increases the bust potential hasn’t been paying attention.

    They were clearly caught between tiers of players. They had 6 guys they liked at 22, and all of them were gone. My problem with that, there weren’t any huge surprises ahead of them. I think they should have been better prepared to move up or down. If anything, Johnny Football saved them. The hoopla over him got them better compensation than expected to move back 4 spots.

    Also, it seems pretty clear that their lack of picks affected their ability to move up. They couldn’t go up 2 picks for Cooks or 1 pick for Haha? Cleveland went from 9 to 8 for a 5th rounder….

    Finally, for everyone calling the draft experts idiots… That same group of idiots loved the 12 and 13 drafts. They thought the Jaiquawn pick in 11 was a reach. They do this stuff for a living, their opinions are valid.

    • anon

      Maybe they didn’t want cooks or haha…

      • B-West

        Then they were sitting there hoping even higher rated players would fall into their laps?

        • anon

          Yup, They had 6 or so people they liked (ebron, evans, odb, the OL guys, Mack, Barr, etc.).

          • B-West

            That’s really poor draft prep then right? You have to know those guys are unlikely. I think you have to be better prepared to go up or down.

          • peteike

            ?, they went down and got their next highest rated guy. Dont forget they didnt much ammo to move up, they covet those picks so you make your choice. Sacrifice later picks (with so few) to move a few spots and get your higher guy or take what comes when you drop back. They were prepared with down move, if the guy was slated say in top 15 of 2nd, its not that big of a deal per their board.

    • bill

      Can’t trade without a willing partner.

      • B-West

        I’m not denying they got caught in a tough spot. I just think it was clear that tough spot was coming from a mile away. I’m surprised they weren’t able to do something about it. And there was a willing partner at 20 if they had the ammo.

        • bill

          I don’t disagree that it was clear from a mile away. Problem is that, if no one is willing to give you something you want in a trade, no amount of “preparation” will make the difference. You can make a trade just to “do something!,” but that doesn’t mean it actually was a good trade that gained you something you valued. Eagles apparently a) valued Smith highly, and b) valued the extra 5th year on the 1st round rookie contract (to what extent is debatable). Those two things required value to give up – apparently, no one offered sufficient value. You can argue that that they overvalued a) and b), and I can’t say you’re wrong. I disagree, but I could be wrong.

          • B-West

            You know, in a way, Reid saved them. They were in a bad spot between tiers. Their 6 guys were off the board and their next guy up was Smith. They’re sitting there thinking, man, we need to move back a little bit, maybe grab a 3rd and target Smith.

            The fact that Andy was going to take Manziel shot their trade value through the roof. So they only have to move back 4 spots, they get the compensation they want, and they comfortably snag the guy they want.

            Give me a few more hours and I’ll come all the way around.

            (Although if I wanted to be negative, you could say they were given a draft advantage when their pick at 22 went up in value, and then they gave it right back by reaching. But like I said, I’m trying to get over this. Haha. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.)

            Also, I tend to agree with your Seahawks counterpoint. It does seem like this regime has a similar clarity of vision.

          • bill

            I absolutely agree – the Eagles got far more value for 22 than they should have, and it most likely had to do with (perceived? Maybe Howie did a master sales job on the Browns)competition for Johnny Football. Right now, I’m willing to trust the new regime, as the on-field results were beyond my expectations. But only time will tell whether they are worthy of that trust.

    • bill

      As for the experts, I somewhat agree with you, but as a counter, go read their evaluations of the Seahawks’ recent drafts. Pretty negative across the board. I guess no one is perfect…

      • B-West

        Fair… But it seems like a lot of the pro arguments for this picks are built around outliers. Hey, go look at this one guy or this one team or this one time this happened. I don’t like being on the outlier side of the bet.

        • bill

          I think there’s a fair amount of evidence to argue that the Eagles are similar to the recent Seahawks in terms of evaluating their drafts: both teams are using very specific plans that are counter to some the established wisdom, and trust that their staffs can overcome some of the skill deficiencies so long as the players “fit” with their plan. No guarantees that Kelly’s plan will be as successful as Carrol’s (they’re clearly different plans), but I don’t think it’s illogical to draw parallels there.

    • Hanibal Luis

      Better prepared how? I’m sure the exhausted every trade scenario.

      And who made the Jarrett pick?

      I’m sorry, but I can’t live in constant negativity especially when there’s a new guy, a new system and a new philosophy in place. Yeah, so they reached 10-15 picks or so for a guy they view as a player at a position of need. Sorry but not the same as Jarrett or Watkins.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        But, is it a reach when you consider they not only got a high quality, versatile, intelligent and good character OLB AND another 3rd with which to grab a quality ILB prospect? That’s the way I see it. You didn’t trade back and pass up on one player, but traded back and picked up a very good OLB that fits your scheme and another 3rd in a talent rich draft that has great value from 2nd-4th rds.

    • peteike

      grrrrr GB for taking HaHa. That being said they got an extra pick and a targeted player. I would call that drafting for need more than a reach. Thats what it is, by many accounts this guy wasnt making to end of 2nd.

  • Burberry Manning

    Most are just mad because they predicted a wr to make up for djax. even tho the pick surprised me when I look at it closely its the type of player they are looking for (versatility), and olb and safety wasn’t a deep position to begin with. Its a bit of a reach but not terrible and they picked up a third and addressed a position of need early.

  • Shane Brown

    If you watch some of his tape, he definitely has the ability to drop into coverage. He’s also got great awareness, which contributes to his knack for batting the ball down at the l.o.s. He’s also a great speed rusher. He will need to develop a better pass rushing technique in order to beat NFL tackles, but his speed will at least allow him to blow past linemen on occasion. If we drafted him, Cole would still be the starter at least for this year, and Smith could come in to spell him on passing downs.

    Some people believe that at the OLB spot opposite of Barwin, we need a guy that is just a pass rushing specialist. I’ve never looked at it that way. We need to develop another OLB like Barwin. He has shown the ability to rush the passer in the past – 11.5 sacks in 2011 – and if we had another OLB like him then it would allow us to mix which guys are rushing the passer. I don’t want a guy that rushes the passer on 80 or 90% of the downs to play that position for us. If we can add another versatile piece to that other outside spot, then it would create a better balance and would allow Barwin to become more of a traditional 3-4 OLB than a “jack of all trades.” While i think that role is still valuable, imagine if we had two of that kind of player, with one of them being a decent pash rusher (Barwin) and one of them possibly being elite (Smith with some more coaching). I do not believe that Barwin will be a double digit sack guy again, but he still has some pass rushing ability. Enough to where the defensive front won’t always be predictable

    Bottom Line on Smith:
    He sets the edge on run plays well
    He uses his great speed to rush the passer well
    He has the athleticism to drop into coverage and size to match up with TEs
    Has great instinct and awareness near the L.O.S.
    He played OLB in college, which means he is not making a position change. This will help in development early on.

    While he may not have as high of a ceiling as the other pass rushing prospects in this draft, i think he has more ability than most of them to step up right away and become a playmaker.

    I think he is a blue-chip player. In my eyes, this guy could come in during his rookie year and play 30-40% of the snaps and make a difference.

    • Shane Brown

      Wrote this back on april 15th on smiths draft daily post. Love the pick. I wanted to come out of the draft with him. Little earlier than i thought but it wasnt that much of a reach. If minnesota traded with us to get bridgewater at 26, we wouldve been stuck with pick 40 i believe. Thats too low for me. Smith wouldnt have made it that far.

    • NCBiRDMann22

      I like the fact that opposite Barwin you are never gonna really know if he gonna be rushing our dropping back in coverage. This is gonna cause some nightmares for the teams we play.

    • Warhound

      “I don’t want a guy that rushes the passer on 80 or 90% of the downs to play that position for us.” Yep! More importantly than what we want, the Eagles defensive vision is for a ROLB who, when they send four from their base D, is rushing the passer only about 1/2 the time. They want to create confusion from the deception which is allowed by versatility.

  • peteike

    Lee had highest percentage of drops last season so that matters and his 40 time. I liked him but kind of fell off for me towards end there, was really happy they went in another direction. Couldnt be happier with extra pick and addressing defense. They will get their WR tonight, fear not. Anyone know about character issues with Smith, if any.

  • anon

    WOW NFL.com just hit us with the “bad fit” button, though he’s clearly a great scheme fit. Not a sexy fit though.

    • peteike

      thats completely wrong and why dont most fans understand these hybrid OLBs are rare. Youre almost always going to be having them adjust at next level, seems to be part of that position coming out of college.

    • NCBiRDMann22

      See how baldy called him a 4-3 end…he didn’t even play that position…Haha. who was just saying that we should listen to these guys? I’m blown away that baldy can be so misinformed. NFL network trying to create story lines…?

    • Andy124

      That’s was driven by Brian Baldinger who doesn’t even know that Smith played 3-4 OLB last year.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        He played all over. OLB, DE, DT, he even lined up standing up as an inside blitzer. Now he’s not playing 43DT/34DE in NFL, but he’ll play primarily OLB & DE in sub packages. The only time he played specifically & only OLB was in ’11 for 9 games. His first 9 games playing defense.

  • RC

    any thoughts on Clinton-Dix going right before us? Does anyone think we would have taken him at 22? Just curious if his going to GB set the wheels in motion for the trade with cleveland.

  • PJ

    They used their first one to address a position of need.”

    what happened to howie’s “new” philosophy of taking the best guy available? i thought only the “moron” reid drafted for need?

    howie outsmarted 31 other GMs yet again

    • Richard Colton

      was there a player sitting out there that you can say was no-doubt-about-it a better BPA on the Eagles board than Smith? Who fell to #22 or #26 that they just had to take?

      • PJ

        well, since they could have had this guy in the mid-2nd round, trade down again for more picks? instead, they reached, and will have two rd 2 quality players with their 1st and 2nd round picks

        • Andy124

          What lottery numbers should I play?

        • NickS1

          Don’t forget the extra 3rd they picked up. And since they used most of their clock, it seems likely they tried a trade and couldn’t get one done. So they take a guy who would have been gone when they picked again at 54, probably would have been gone by 40. No harm done.

          • Richard Colton

            Nick – I hate that argument. It’s the same one we heard about Jon Harris. Howie has to know what other teams think of this guy. 40? I think he’s still there at 40. Gone before #54? That’s easier to swallow.

          • NickS1

            Washington (34), Cleveland (35), Jacksonville (39), Seattle (40), and Buffalo (41) are all potential teams that could have drafted Smith who didn’t draft at all (WSH) or didn’t land a OLB in the 1st who run a 3-4. Very possible he’s gone by 41. (Yes I’m aware that I’ve included one extra slot)

        • Richard Colton

          I agree that it was a reach. But saying they could have “trade (d) down again” for more picks isn’t correct. We just don’t know that. Takes two teams.

          Your premise is that the selection of Smith means that Howie isn’t following his “tiered BPA” approach. Give me a player that proves it.

  • southy

    Gotta give props to Tim and Sheil here for their solid pre-draft coverage, doing a whole article on this prospect even though he wasn’t a 1st rd lock. After I figured out Roger was not mispronouncing Marquise, I was glad not to be in the same camp as all those puzzled birds fans on TV going “uh…. who?”

  • PJ

    SB Nation on the pick:

    The grade: C

    The risk: Philadelphia moved down once to get Smith and frankly could have moved down again to get him.

    • anon

      possible, think Vikings gave a 4th to go to 32, could have gotten same to go to 2.8.

  • NCBiRDMann22

  • IAteLunchToday

    More rushing yards 2014 Manziel or Trent Richardson?

  • Chris Jones

    Eagles got schooled as usual. We had 6 players we wanted…when you have that kind of list it is imperative you go out and get atleast one of those guys. Instead we settled for a huge 3-4 round reach who played in a weak college conference with terrible offenses. Even worse Dennard, Van noy, Ward, and Bucannon were all still available. Typical eagles.

    • Adam

      lmao

      • Andy124

        Almost makes me not want to draft Christian Jones.

        • Token

          I think that was probably their last defensive pick this draft.

          • Andy124

            You think a lot of things.

    • Token

      To take Smith in the 1st tells me they dont think much of KVN. Howie said Smith was the last guy in that their top tier.

      • NCBiRDMann22

        This stinks of posturing to avoid showing their true thoughts. Take what your hearing with a grain of salt. What good would it do for Howie to release information like this..?

        • NickS1

          Not to mention they may have KVN projected as an ILB and they wanted a pure OLB.

          • Token

            Maybe, but KVN is in the Barwin mold as much as Smith is. Dont see a ton of difference. Neither looks like a terror pass rusher. Guess we will see how this shakes out.

            But they are now in a position where they are desperate for a WR. Just like they were desperate for a pass rusher. I dont think they can even begin to think about a ILB until the 3rd.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            I really am confused as to the thought of desperate for a WR.

          • Token

            Ok, we are fine at WR? Guess ill just disagree.

            You have a poor defense.

            And right now you have a offense with only Cooper and Maclin at WR. 56 year old Sproles out of the slot. Im not ok with that. Maclin is incredibly injury prone, and I like Maclin. But to think they are fine is misguided. They desperately need more there. Their offense has to be top 3 to counter their subpar defense.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            what about Celek, ERTZ(who is gonna be a monster), Benn, Sporles will get some work. and they will add someone just not desperate…that’s my thoughts.

          • Token

            Benn is a non factor. A nobody. A never was. A nothing. And thats pre injury.

            I never got the Ertz is a monster stuff. Nothing hes shown has hinted that hes gonna be a pro bowl TE playmaker. I see a solid TE. Another Celek.

            All I know is they better pray McCoy plays every game if thats the lineup you are playing with.

          • NCBiRDMann22

          • NCBiRDMann22

            Go ahead and watch that. Feel free to jump on the bandwagon for this year.

          • NickS1

            Probably not. Hoping they can land Christian Jones in the third, today. Odds of a WR happening at 54 have to be pretty high I’d think.

        • Token

          Well normally yea, but Howie has been pretty damn honest it turns out. Said Barwin was gonna be their pass rusher. This pick kinda tells me thats their intention. Said WR is deep so didnt bother trying hard for one.

          If they liked KVN you dont reach for Smith right?

          • NCBiRDMann22

            I think your boy Howie has a little bit less to do with all this than you think. Chip is running the show. How is just a behind the scenes working trade bait. Howie is a clown.

  • Token

    Howie says Andy took their top rated pass rusher at #23. Dee Ford was the guy they thought would drop to 26.

    ““And then when Andy [Reid] took a pass rusher at 23, and where our board was for that, that was the pass rusher — the next pass rusher for us.”

    They were trying to trade back again from 26, but couldnt. Had to take Smith.

    ““We were looking at trading back again and I think our concern was at that 26th pick, we had just a couple of guys left with that same grade,” Roseman explained. “And we were worried that if we dropped, 5, 10, 14 picks that none of them would be there and we’d end up going back another tier.”

    • Adam

      Loved the idea of Ford at 26 and the extra third a lot more than 22 without.

  • Jim

    I have no problem with getting Smith and a 3rd-rounder, but Darqueze Dennard was there for the taking….

    • Amar

      Exactly my thoughts. We badly need a press corner who can give man coverage to the opponent’s #1 receiver (now ODB for NYG)

    • Token

      press corner only. Limited. I think he will struggle in the NFL. Just not much of a athlete.

      • peteike

        and hows Milliner doing being the first corner picked last season. No sure things in drafts esp towards end of first round

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Damn, I cannot believe how much Paul Richardson looks like DJax on the field. If you stuck him in a DJax jersey, you wouldn’t know the difference.

  • Frank

    Do NOT ever say again that Chip Kelly prefers a mobile QB……he could have picked Johnny Manziel …and yet he chose to stay with Nick Foles…..so no more talk about Kelly wants a mobile QB.

  • Aaron D

    Wow so much support for Marcus on here, I didn’t know he had such a large family! People also tried to rationalize the Brandon Graham pick. Fool me once…

    • Amar

      I’m with you on that one. We have way too many CK + HR apologists here.

  • Max Lightfoot

    I was surprised but not shocked. But it really comes down to Who Do You Believe More – Chip and Howie? Or the draftnik experts like Kiper and Mayock? I say Chip and Howie Baby!

    Smith fills a dire need: Cole and Barwin only had 13 sacks between them – Marcus Smith should help that. Let’s face it -we do not have the depth of talent we would like at safety and CB – this guy should make their job easier, even if he only effective (in his rookie year) as a third-down QB rocket.

    We need an OLB much more than a WR – a good pick, IMO.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    I’m not big on having two “late” 3rds. Although there is leverage power in having 2 close picks at 83 & 86, I think I’d rather be at the top and bottom of the round. Possibly even package our 4th or 5th to move that 2nd up to around 40-45 or one of the 3rds to the top of the round.

    Just thinking aloud…