Eagles Wake-Up Call: Three Takeaways From Mayock

Anthony Barr

NFL Network’s Mike Mayock talked draft during a conference call with reporters Thursday afternoon. Below are three Eagles-related takeaways.

1. The Eagles have made trades in the first round in three of the past five drafts. Is it possible they make a move again this year? It seems somewhat unlikely, considering they have six overall picks and this is considered a deep draft. But if they were to pull the trigger, who would be the most likely targets?


"Let's face it. If possible, they need defensive impact players," Mayock said. "If [Anthony] Barr from UCLA were to start to slide, I think he'd be a guy they could trade up for. They need a 3-4 outside linebacker edge type. I think if Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, the safety from Alabama, started to slide, he'd be another consideration. They're the two that would make the most sense to me if they started to slide."

Those are two interesting names, largely because Howie Roseman admitted Thursday that this is not a particularly talented or deep group of safeties or outside linebackers.

"This draft is not deep in edge rushers," Mayock said. "The bottom line with Barr is I think his best football is ahead of him. You might have to wait two years. He only played the position for two years. He needs to get stronger at the point of attack, he needs to learn the position from a perspective of learning how to pass-rush. Every rush can't be a speed rush. But the kid has great talent. He's the prototype 34 outside linebacker. I don't think there's any way he gets into the 20s."

Again, I don't see the Eagles making a move up for Barr, but I've been wrong before.

2. As for safety, Mayock indicated that he doesn't think Louisville's Calvin Pryor is a fit for what the Eagles like to do.

"Well, I think Clinton-Dix will definitely be off the board. Pryor may or may not. I'm not sure Pryor fits what they do," he said. "From my perspective, they're looking for a guy that can play strong or free safety, has to have both those skill sets. Jimmie Ward could do that. Lamarcus Joyner from Florida State, both of whom are going to go in the second round. In the third round, the only safety I have is Terrence Brooks from Florida State. After that there's a bunch of
guys. Brock Vereen that can play corner or safety. Dontae Johnson from North Carolina State can
play corner or safety. Those guys would be appealing to the Eagles."

Roseman said Thursday he doesn't think this is a strong safety group overall. Johnson (6-2, 200) ran a 4.45 at the combine and has intriguing measurables.

But as I wrote previously, indications from the team are that they'd be comfortable going into 2014 with Malcolm Jenkins and Earl Wolff as the starters.

3. One of the more fascinating draft storylines is going to be where the wide receivers go. In ESPN's TV mock Thursday night, Mel Kiper Jr. had the Eagles taking Vanderbilt's Jordan Matthews at No. 22. Here is my write-up on Matthews. I actually like him as a prospect, but in the second or third rounds. I would be stunned if he were the selection with the 22nd pick.

Another guy who has generated some first-round buzz is Indiana's Cody Latimer. Latimer's measurables are intriguing, but as I've written previously, taking him at No. 22 would be a reach. Mayock seems to agree.

"He's a big, 6'2", 220, blah, blah, blah, it's all beautiful, but he's a little bit stiff and he's got a lot to learn," Mayock said. "People are talking about him in the first round, I don't see it. I think he's a second-round guy with a significant amount of upside."

WHAT YOU MISSED

More from Roseman on the safety class.

The Eagles' GM says there are 10 receivers in the top tier of the draft.

My breakdown of why Virginia Tech CB Kyle Fuller could be a nice option at No. 22.

Second-year player Joe Kruger is looking for an expanded role in 2014.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Kiper thinks the Eagles could target Boise State OLB Demarcus Lawrence in the second round:

Trent Cole turns 32 this season, and there just isn't enough speed off the edge anywhere to be found if he's not healthy. Lawrence can develop into a solid pass-rusher.

Bucky Brooks of NFL.com likes Ole Miss WR Donte Moncrief to the Birds in the second round:

Chip Kelly would love to add size and speed to the Eagles' receiving corps after the departures of DeSean Jackson and Jason Avant. Moncrief would give the Eagles the best of both worlds, as an exceptional athlete with big-play ability.

COMING UP

More nuggets from our chat with Roseman and another Draft Daily.

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  • IG:blkboyflyy

    Honestly, this draft doesn’t excite me at all. I’m usually going crazy waiting for our first pick counting the minutes until 7 pm Friday night.

    • ridusofreid

      Draft starts Thursday night

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        Thanks

    • aub32

      No wonder the draft doesn’t excite you. You’re missing the entire first round.

      • JosephR2225

        Maybe he’s a Redskins fan.

        • IG:blkboyflyy

          Not at all why would I be here? I have no interest in trolling people as some do.

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        I know when it starts but I’m not worried about who they pick in he first whoever it is will be fine. I’m worried about later rounds. That should be obvious.

        • Richard Colton

          no you didn’t. it’s OK. we forgive you.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            If you think I’m here for you’re approval you’re dead wrong. However, it does help subside the nagging thorn of waiting the extra weeks until the draft .

          • Richard Colton

            your

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            I’m on my phone hence I’m not trying to fix my auto-correct just to suit your grammar qualifications. I’m fairly new as you should know since you spend everyday of your life here. Oh and I apologize if you’re still stung from yesterday. I just basking in the glorious talk of my team and it’s people like you it into a daunting task instead of and enjoyable hobby.

          • Richard Colton

            Not stung at all. It’s just friendly advice. You don’t understand how teams draft. We can help you. Step one: listen more, talk less.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            Friendly advice comes with introduction. Seeing how we don’t know one another it couldn’t possible be “friendly” advice. I can listen more in fact I’ve been reading these comments for years and just now decided to start commenting. See you assume I don’t know how teams drafts but there are exceptions to every rule. But you could be right and so could I but see you assume you’re already right before the future has presented itself. The definition of insanity is to continue on the same path or action but expect different results. So speaking on what we discussed yesterday if they continue on that path which hasn’t yielded them and fruitful journeys they would in a sense be insane which is why I “predicted” they will take defense first!

        • aub32

          Then you probably should have said the first round (Thursday) doesn’t excite you. Saying the entire draft doesn’t excite you gives the impression you don’t care about the later rounds either.

    • dmancine9

      this draft is getting hype because of depth, all the to the 7th round, not due to loads of talent in the first round- especially at pick 22. I hope the Eagles trade back and add to our stockpile.

      • borntosuffer

        Maybe we have a record number of UDFA makes the squad this season. I wonder what the record is?

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        I think Howie may be banking on the less is more strategy this year. Meaning he’s gonna be spot on with his picks. He has to be it’s awesome to sit back and dream of a monster trade back that nets us 3 picks but it doesn’t do much for me.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        But the depth is also there due to an usually high amount of underclassmen particularly at WR. This year’s UDFA class will be like taking candy…

  • cliff henny

    turned that mock ESPN crap on at 8-30 (yeah, after big bang, it’s funny, so what) and it’s like Kiper and McShay gave up after pick 20. no way all 3 of Matthews, Ellington and Latimore go before Barr, at #30. that’s crazy! I blame myself for giving something as stupid as that show/concept and it’s execution eyeballs. and the only person I find more annoying than Chris Berman in ESPN’s nfl coverage is that Trey Wingo, man is he annoying! whew, I feel little better

    • Richard Colton

      Eagles trade down to #30 and still get Barr? Wow. Just wow.

      Don’t apologize for liking Big Bang Theory – 24/7 is a big tent, we take all types. Just out of curiosity, who did ESPN have us taking at #22?

      • cliff henny

        felt bad for Louis Riddick (great follow on twitter for those that care/do it), he was getting bombarded with stupidity from all different angles. Kiper was consistently a moron, and in between lucid thoughts of Polian, McShay would pick up slack by tossing in idiotic statements. all back by constant annoying drumbeat of Wingo.
        .
        part that stinks the most is that channel really is the leader and driver of sports information. think they are just way to big and rich for anything to come along and knock them off.

        • Neanderthal

          Problem with most media, and ESPN being the leader in this, is it is not about the story or the content anymore. It is about the media personality. It seems all reporters/ journalist/ whatever you want to call them look at a story and say,” How can I make this about me”. Howard Eskin was way ahead of his time in this aspect.

          • Jarrod

            Drives me nuts cuz I try to talk to a fellow eagles fan but all he does is read the ESPN headlines and get Schefter’s tweets (I think Schefter provides good info). So everything I say he just kind of brushes it off cuz it wasn’t on ESPN. Ridiculous IMO

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            Plenty of people do that without doing any research of their own but, it is their right isn’t it?

          • Jarrod

            Definitely, just drives me nuts when I try to talk to him!

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            Tell him to give you his opinion not someone else’s. But you could always just talk about the aspects of football that aren’t on ESPN it would force him outside of the norm.

        • Malcolm Jones

          Riddixk was the smartest man there

    • myeaglescantwin

      absolute waste of time.

      can someone give me a brief recap??
      (i don’t even want to give their sites a hit)

      • oreofestar

        we are picking Jordan Matthews at 22 HAH!

        • oreofestar

          also Barr gets to 30 after Ellington

          • myeaglescantwin

            wowzers,, those guys really have their heads on right!

            i don’t know how anyone watches this stuff. there’s are 3 hour mock draft the night before the real draft.. people eat this nonsense up.

  • anon

    Actually think Mayock made some sense finally for a national reporter. I’m glad the FO agrees that there’s no real OLBs (34) or safeties. If we took OL or DL (if we couldn’t trade back) i’d live. Need to improve the lines anyway — gotta take the best guys available.

  • Scott J

    From everything I’ve read, this is not a great draft for defensive players. We may have to wait until next year to get impact players for our defense.

  • Token

    I think if Barr falls to #13 they start getting on the phones. If they loved Jordan theres almost no way they cant love Barr. I think Dallas would be interested at 16 so you have to get above them.

    The only issue I see is how are they getting a WR in the 2nd? I cant see any of the real interesting prospects still being there at their pick in the 2nd round. They would have to trade up, but I cant see that happening twice. Just not enough ammo.

    If they could come away with Barr and still get a WR like Robinson in the 2nd thats the draft for me. Pretty hard to get a bad grade from me after those two picks.

    • Joe from Easton

      I just cant see how Robinson falls to pick number 54. I guess with the plethora of receivers in the draft, there is a chance. I think if we’re taking a WR in round two then it’s Moncrief / Latimer / Benjamin.

      • Reasonableeaglefan

        I could see ARob falling to 54. He doesn’t have blazing speed, and the draft is loaded with impressive size speed combos. It just depends what you are looking for in a prospect. He’s actually the WR I’m hoping they come away with, great at high pointing a ball, good in the screen game, big enough to block. If they pulled him and Barr off its probably the best case scenario, but if I was thinking one was more feasible it would be ARob.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Agreed.

    • oreofestar

      well as far as pass catchers go Adams, Moncrief,Watkins, Jenkins, Amaro, Ebron, Evans,ODB,Lee,Cooks,Robinson,Latimer,Matthews they can’t all be gone at 54

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I’d do the jig outside City Hall for hours!

    • Eagles1018

      Good points all the way through. Here’s to hoping that Moncrief or Latimer fall as well….

    • myeaglescantwin

      traditionally WRs fall.

      we could see outstanding players available in rd 3 after all the WR hungry teams blow their loads.

  • Joe from Easton

    I mentioned Lawrence the other day, but not in the 2nd round. Come on Kiper.

    These guys are over paid, over rated A$$-hats.

  • Will

    Round 2 Pick 10 (TENN): Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (B)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 1 (HOU): Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 10 (NYG): Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida (B)
    Round 4 Pick 1 (HOU): Devonta Freeman, RB, Florida State (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 12 (TENN): Daniel McCullers, DT, Tennessee (A)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 11 (TENN): Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (B-)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Chris Boswell, K, Rice (B)
    Round 6 Pick 11 (NYG): Russell Bodine, OG, North Carolina (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Brandon Thomas, OG, Clemson (C-)

    Good Luck Howie! Can’t wait to see what the Eagles do in this upcoming draft…

    • George

      beautiful. Impossible, but beautiful

    • cliff henny

      ha, if only. if this happens, philly will need to suspend streaking laws starting Friday for about 48-72hrs.

  • oreofestar

    In Bucky’s 4round mock he had us going Fuller, Moncrief,Murphy,Abbederis I’d be fine with this

    • cliff henny

      seen worse. probably be ok w/ it, guess have a lot to do with who’s still available at the Murphy pick.

      • oreofestar

        I am fine with Trent and 86 I guess I could go take a peek at who was still available it might make me like it less

        • oreofestar

          we passed on Jones and Kirksey but everyone else after I was okay with taking Murphy over

          • cliff henny

            i’d be more bothered they waited till 3rd to get rush-backer. Fuller pick would bother me and cause trickle down effect of lesser talented players at other positions than I was expecting. murphy doesn’t do much for me.

          • oreofestar

            I am in love Fuller would not hate that pick at all even though we have bigger needs although that is not the preferred route but this mock is at least better than the GARBAGE Kiper did yesterday

        • cliff henny

          if Eagles go something other than olb/wr or wr/olb w/ 1st2 picks, it’ll take some will-like wheeling and dealing by Howie to get more than an ok or meh from me.

          • oreofestar

            unless we get a trade done I tend to agree but Lawrence,Smith and Attaochu were gone at 54

  • Tom W

    At 22 eagles may have Mosley, Barr or odb fall to them. If all gone I expect a trade back. If we stay at 22, I think we go latimer and attaboy/mArcus smith in rd 2. Think we have latimer ranked w a high second round grade

    • Joe from Easton

      I’d be quite happy with Mosley in round 1 and Latimer / Moncrief in round 2. After that I’d like to see maybe Demarcus Lawrence in round 3 if he’s there.

      • Richard Colton

        he’s the kind of guy I see the Seahawks or Pats shocking the world and taking in round one

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Lawrence?

          • oreofestar

            Demarcus

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yeah, I don’t see him being a target for us for a number of reasons. Like I said before, I think they’d target Clarke over Lawrence.

          • oreofestar

            I like Lawrence more but he has some serious character concerns and got suspended like 792 times so I think we stay away

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Hahaha, that’s one of my reasons. I think Clarke projects better in the long run in their eyes. Think of the Logan pick and taking Clarke over Lawrence makes much more sense.

        • Joe from Easton

          Lawrence? Yea, I mean he has the measureables for sure. I think he needs some coaching up in terms of pure pass rushing, but his athleticism is great for a drop back 34 LB. My hope is that his character concerns cause a bit of a slide and then we pair him up with Huls who beats the a$$hole right out of him with some good old navy seal tactics and tasty smoothies.

          • Richard Colton

            Yea. I’ve been seeing him (Lawrence) sneak into the end of the 1st round in some mocks. I think those of us praying that Marcus Smith, Moncreif, Christian Jones and/or Attaouchu sneak into the 3rd round are going to be disappointed. Probably 2nd round picks. Van Noy won’t last until #54. We want some of these guys, its going to take some wheeling & dealing.

            Unfortunately – Howie is sitting in the War Room with only 6 bullets in his gun.

          • Joe from Easton

            I can easily see him going in late round one early round two. Like I said, I’m just hoping the character concerns cause a fall. Maybe in a draft that was a little deeper with edge rushers it would happen, but it’s a very small chance for this year.

            I have no hopes in terms of Van Noy in round two unless we trade up. I also think if we want Moncrief then we need to take him at 54 because he’s not lasting until 86.

            The birds can put together a great draft or a very terrible one (duh), but I don’t think we as fans are going to come away thinking, “eh, it’s an okay grab”. We’re either going to love it or hate it.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Good thing you said grab and not $natch… ;-)

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Must be an old “Colt” revolver… Hope he’s been watching The Good, The Bad & The Ugly.

          • cliff henny

            they all cant go top 50 top 100. regardless of how draft falls, no reason Eagles shouldn’t walk with 3 solid contributors for ’14, and most likely starters in ’15.

          • Richard Colton

            if they’re willing to be flexible and take the best players, that’s true. You know – Howie was on Sportsnet last night talking about the first round pick being “an immediate impact player,” but I see a lot of scenarios where the Eagles have a solid draft and don’t grab (not $natch) a single ’14 starter.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            That would kinda $uck as they’re facing a tougher schedule and need soldiers to fight the battle this year.

          • cliff henny

            oh,i’m about 100% sure none will be planned starters. but solid contributors, 3rd wr, sub package LBs. have guys on last yr or 2, celek, herremanns, cole ryans Williams, need to get replacements this yr and slowly work them in. plus WR and RB. Brown needs traded, graham too, get couple picks for them would be great.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Have zero idea why my other response below is awaiting approval??? This is getting ridiculous!!

      • Joe from Easton

        This has happened to me. I wonder if it’s certain words that cause it to get caught by a filter or something.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          What word though? I believe you can see it if you click on it. I don’t see any word that could be mistaken for offensive.

          • Joe from Easton

            I don’t see any comments awaiting moderation for me to view. Maybe a players name or something?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I don’t think Smith or Attaochu are there at 54. I think they’ll be off board before we hit the 50s. There just aren’t a lot of pass rushers and it’s a premium, so teams will grab them up. If they’re gone, I think they look more for Clarke than Lawrence.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            That’s the comment just below. Reposted it, but changed the word $natch to grab. That’s just nonsense.

          • Joe from Easton

            weird.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Apparently it’s a fallacy to $natch a ball outta the air… lol.

          • Joe from Easton

            haha, well that one worked… we must figure this out!

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I blame Johnny Geagle…lol. I’ll get on him over at Lawlor’s site later.

          • Joe from Easton

            haha.. Sad to see him gone.

            So much talent, but those character concerns? He needed to get cut. Sheil and Tim made the right choice. I’m just wondering why the national media hasn’t been all over this one trying to figure out why. He was a board MVP at times.

          • cliff henny

            he’ll be back. he’s been censored and banned before. one time, about a year ago, lost it, vowed never to return, was back in couple months.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            He needs to stop giving in to the dark side of the force.

          • borntosuffer

            Hilarious.

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            What’s wrong with that word? What if I want to have a discussion of my favorite Brad Pitt movies. $natch is easily in the top 5. Probably #2 after Fight Club, but that’s just off the top of my head

          • Joe from Easton

            Ummmm Inglorious Basterds anyone?

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            Good one. Seven is in that mix too. I’ve already taught my 3 year old to say “what’s in the box” like Brad does at the end of the movie. I always great a laugh when he breaks it out at a kids birthday party when they are unwrapping presents.

          • Joe from Easton

            haha yea that’s a great scene. Well done on teaching the kid.

            For my money I just can’t get enough of Lt. Aldo Rein. “GORLAMI!, Gorlami, gorlami”.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Se7en is one of my all time favs! Such a dark tale that literally suppresses all hope for light to shine through, as much as Somerset tries.

            John Doe: It’s more comfortable for you to label me as insane.
            David Mills: It’s VERY comfortable.

          • cliff henny

            one of the best opening scenes in recent memory. au revoir shoshana

          • Joe from Easton

            Tarantino has a great way of sucking you into his movie immediately and that may have been his finest opening act, although the opening scene in Django set one hell of a tone.

            “May I smoke my pipe as well?”

          • paul from nc

            I’m guessing $ natch is on the do not post list, for sure

          • borntosuffer

            Did someone say the “G” word?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            No he’s been hanging out over at Igglesblitz and people over there are complaining about him posting a thousand times in response to himself… lol. I miss Geags.

          • borntosuffer

            Me too.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I think he’s an Ok guy. Just think he needs to learn to say when.

          • borntosuffer

            Exactly. He is a “fan” in the sense of the word being a short version of fanatic. I can appreciate that.

          • Richard Colton

            there wasn’t a more fired-up Eagles fan out there. I’d like to see him back. Geagle vs Dutch (crazy vs. douchy-crazy) , Geagle vs JR (rabid vs. cerebral) were worth the price of admission.

      • Maggie

        It might be just Disqus. One thing I’ve found with this program is sometimes it logs me out, then back in, then I log out manually, unplug completely from the the Internet, go to bed, plug in and discover that Disqus never logged me out. It’s happened more than once. Same with moving between Disqus sites.

  • dmancine9

    I’m not a huge fan, but I still think Chip loves Marqise Lee. Anyone think we take him at 22?

    • oreofestar

      doubt it unless ODB falls I think there is a 20% (randomish number) chance we go WR at 22 I would be surprised and a little disappointed if we take him at 22

      • Richard Colton

        wouldn’t love it, but I’d be willing to give Chip/Howie the benefit of the doubt

    • Joe from Easton

      I can’t speak for what chip will do, but I’m calling the shots then no way we take him at 22. He’s not really “special” in any specific characteristic. He’s about average size and speed. He does have decent sized hands. He’s a good route runner, but not a great tackle breaker. Overall I can see him beling a lot like Maclin has been and for my money if we’re going WR in round 1 then he needs to be a stud in some aspect of his game.

      • anon

        Lots of his “types” in the draft, better tackle breakers too — feel like you should just pay for size with a 1st round pick.

      • Sean

        Look at Robert Woods production with THE BILLS of all teams last year, and Lee was 2x the WR as Woods at USC. IF Lee is there, you gotta take him!

        Woods had 40-587-3TD in 14 games played with rookie QB… You plug Lee into THIS offense… now you are talking some nice numbers for a rookie, IMO

    • Richard Colton

      I think if ODB is gone, and they go offense, he’s the pick.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I’d agree with Colt. Although my hopes are set on Barr.

        If he’s not a choice, I just can’t see how they don’t think trading back once or possibly twice isn’t beneficial.

        • oreofestar

          Barr would be ideal, but here is the thing people just assume we can just trade back what is to say that no team gives us a desireable package for 22 then you pick at 22 and take Fuller, Cooks, Dennard, ODB, or whomever

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Anything can happen. It’s always wishful thinking. Even with your team having the 1st pick, you never know until Goodel steps out on that podium.

          • oreofestar

            yep the Andrew Luck situation is rare you are in suspense until you hear the name

    • Neanderthal

      I do. And I think he ends up being best wr in draft.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I think that’s a bold statement considering the talent in this draft. I like him, but I just don’t know for sure who comes out on top as the best.

        • Neanderthal

          Just an opinion. (Opinions are like rear ends, we all have one and most stink)

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I know. I’m just saying that it’s a hard decision, especially this year, to say who will rise up to be the best WR of this class. Very hard.

      • oreofestar

        only if Mike Evans dies…

        • Neanderthal

          That much I can guarantee. (Death and taxes)

        • Richard Colton

          it’s awesome how in the bag you are for Evans. I’ve been nitpicking his game ever since it became clear that we have no shot at him. Its tough – he looks like a future superstar.

          Kinda like Roy Williams.

          • oreofestar

            No way we get him but he is a superstar I am just hoping the Giants don’t find a way to get him

          • Richard Colton

            I’ll call it – Ebron to the Giants

          • oreofestar

            yeah I can live with that I think he is overrated and will never be Vernon Davis I think Ebron, DOnald or Martin will be Giants can’t see anyone else but they better not land Evans aka Calvin Johnson III

      • peteike

        Im a big fan of Lee myself as of the last few weeks. I would love that. I think Watkins may end up best but I could also see him as a kind of middle of road guy also. Probably some big WR picked late in this draft becomes a big weapon ala TO or Brandon Marshall. I also think Evans is kind of a lock to do well but those top 2 are not on our radar anyway so why waste energy. They will be some other lame teams good player, hate em now and just accept it.

  • takeo

    “Eagles coach Chip Kelly told The Philadelphia Inquirer’s Zach Berman that DeSean Jackson’s
    release was “purely a football decision.” Because, apparently the
    Eagles do not need wide receivers who can run faster than anyone else on
    the field, catch 82 passes for 1,332 yards and go to three Pro Bowls in
    five years.”

    Dan Pompei

    • oreofestar

      Why the hell are we talking about this

      • Javi Echie

        Really like when are these people gonna let it go he’s gone and that’s that damn move on

    • JosephR2225

      Desean was released?!?!?!

    • Joe from Easton

      “Dan Pompei doesn’t know as much about the Philadelphia Eagles as Chip Kelly.”

      - Everyone on this board -

    • Maggie

      Again? Still? that trade was over a MONTH ago! Get OVER it already.

  • Uncle Johnny

    Is there anyone on the current roster who can be traded for picks? Graham, Cole, any others? Or is that not feasible at this point. Dont know my NFL trade process as welll as other sports.

    • Joe from Easton

      Graham is going to be tough to trade because he has one year left on his contract so essentially he’s a rental and teams don’t want that. Cole has far too much money left on his contract so you probably won’t find a trade partner for him either.

      • Uncle Johnny

        Thanks. Anyone else? Casey?

        • Joe from Easton

          Ehh he’s getting paid pretty darn well without much production to back it up. Unless some other team sees what Chip sees in him or he (and more importantly, his agent) is willing to renegotiate immediately after the trade then that is probably a tough sell too.

          We’d most likely have to get ride of young talent on rookie contracts with more than a year left. So like Reasonableeagle said, Bryce Brown is a viable option although I’m not sure what you’ll get for him.

          I’m honestly struggling to think of someone else that they have, that they don’t need, that has good value for a team to give up a pick in such a deep draft. We could maybe deal Najee Goode, but Chip won’t do that.

          Curry or Brown are probably our best bait.

        • cliff henny

          tough contract to trade. say Graham and Brown. Curry doesn’t make too much sense, cause have to replace him with pick, and what would his value be, 6th, 5th at best? rather hang onto him. Graham and Brown can be upgraded in draft and hopefully give picks in 6th for other positions, with very little on field production lost.

        • Reasonableeaglefan

          Not much market for a TE making his money with his production.

          • Adam G

            Really? Would figure a ton of teams would want to pay a guy 4 mil who caught 3 passes last year. But if you listen to the commenters on this site you would think he’s going to have an all pro year as long as chip “gives him the chance”.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I don’t know about that. I’d say that Ertz has a better shot than Casey. But then again, I think they will either have to decide to use him or lose him.

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            We fans sometimes forget that, just because we have redundancy at a position, doesn’t mean a team is going to compensate us for the odd mad out.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            True, but they’d look for a guy that is playing out of position, in the wrong scheme and buried on the depth chart. Oh wait, I thought we were talking about Dion…lol.

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            Nice. Unfortunately that doesn’t account for finances, which is why Casey will be here and Dion is stuck in 4-3 purgatory.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I don’t think it’d be out of the realm of possibility that they take a player the Dolphins want and June 1st a trade. I think Kelly really wants long & quick and loves Dion. That eases the finance side.

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            How bad is the cap hit for them in that scenario? I’m all for it if we can’t get good fit at 22. They need OL help and should be able to find some at our pick. This makes too much sense to work out. NFL people chalk these ideas up to fantasy football talk

          • paul from nc

            10 million if they trade him now, 5 million after 6/1.

          • paul from nc

            You and I are on the same waive length on a few issues.

          • paul from nc

            You mean we should also think if the other team wants our castoffs. That’s no fun. We’ll never get more #1′s that way.

    • Reasonableeaglefan

      The easy choices are Bryce Brown, Graham, and to a lesser degree Curry. I was just wondering the other day what the actual odds off pulling a trade of for say a 6rd pick. My guess is less than 50-50

    • Warhound

      They could do that now. More likely is a trade during the draft. Both parties to such a trade want to see who’s gone and who’s available before they make a move.

      • Maggie

        McCoy to St. Louis. #13. Barr. Maybe take another another second. Have 4 picks in first 2 rounds. Lovely. Think it’s strange? If the Eagles paid any attention to the fans, they would have to take a dozen different safeties, another dozen different receivers and at least half a dozen different corners. All in the first round, lol.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Food for thought. If we lost that last game vs DAL, we’d most likely be picking at 16, 48, 78. Instead of 22, 54 & 86. We’d be in much better position for Barr, Evans, Ebron, etc.

    • NCBiRDMann22

      That does nothing for me…If there are Eagle fans out there that would rather take a horrible loss to f@#@#$@& Dallas then why call yourself a fan…bring back the older fans!

      • Joe from Easton

        Thanks for saying what we were all thinking.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I said food for thought, not I wish we had lost. Big difference. Don’t jump to conclusions.

        • Richard Colton

          that’s the irony of draft season. while we’re in it, we want to win every game. when we’re out, we want the higher pick.

          Console yourself with this – Jake Locker went 8th. “Nobody knows nothing.”

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’ve just been picturing in my head JJ being ecstatic that he grabs Barr (even though he is NOT a fit for their D) & gloating over it and then having to face that kid twice a year. It sickens me.

            I’ll throw out a very deep secret. When stationed at Ft Hood years ago, I took a weekend trip with some buddies up to Dallas. While there we drove past the old DAL stadium. I went and pissed on that stadium. I despise Jerry Jones. He brings shame to my name (Jerry).

          • Richard Colton

            The Eagles publicly shamed Dave Spadero for spitting on the Star. I wouldn’t feel bad about pissing on Cowboys stadium. We probably all did it on the Vet at some point – rite of passage. You probably improved that piece of junk.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            It was the ugliest stadium I had ever seen. It made the Vet look like the Taj.

          • Neanderthal

            rite of pissage

          • Richard Colton

            Bar Piss-va

          • Maggie

            I might have gone with you but my plumbing could make it awkward.

          • paul from nc

            Jerry, I love you. Better than stomping on the star.

        • NCBiRDMann22


          We need to turn the linc into the new Nest of Death…lol. this years schedule is crazy tough we are gonna need some strong home field advantage.

          • DoctorRick

            Cliff and Geagles haven’t aged at all!

          • cliff henny

            Ha! sadly, I act like that alone in my living room. those are some sweet shorts beardy’s wearing

          • Maggie

            Also food for thought: change the color to purple, you’re in Minnesota; change to orange, you’re in Cleveland; green and gold – Green Bay (with a wheel of cheese on your head no less. In December.)

          • NCBiRDMann22

            What’s this you speak of?

          • Maggie

            Your video.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        And for the record, I’m 39 & have been an avid fan since Jaworski’s final year. How bout you?

        • NCBiRDMann22

          Sorry Jerry but honestly no true fan thinks of a situation where there favorite team loses in a playoff game to one of there most hated rivals. I mean come on now. Food for thought or not…its unacceptable and I think I wouldn’t be the only one to say that on here.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I said, that I didn’t wish that it happened. I nearly brought it up b/c we’re talking about Barr sliding and if he does, we’d probably need to jump the Cowboys. Didn’t say it was good food, maybe the wrong term used, I just find it interesting how the twist of fate may come full circle.

          • paul from nc

            I’m in my 60′s and been an Eagles fan forever. There have been years that I hoped they’d lose a game or two at the end of the season, to get a better pick.. I remember when we could have had OJ, but won the last game. Also, the 2011 and 12 seasons were a total loss anyway.
            I’m not saying it’s right or good. But it would have been better for the Eagles in the long run.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            Your a troll Paul from NC…go hack bleeding greennation

    • JosephR2225

      True, but we would have lost. To Dallas. How could we troll Jerry and Romo with any confidence after that?
      Besides, the Eagles got their playoff feet wet, even with a first round exit a la the 2007 Phillies. Right? …right?

      • cliff henny

        truth. young bucks got a taste, that’s huge.

    • cliff henny

      would have been sick to my stomach losing to Kyle F’N Orton.

    • Reasonableeaglefan

      Just think how much more sold this fan base is, now that we are coming off a trip to the playoffs after our first season with a new headcoach. Sure we might be in a better position for years to come, but it just feels like the world is right and just with us a playoff team and the Cowboys sitting it out at 8-8.

      • anon

        skins probably thought that too after 2012 season. They’re probably wishing they had that #2 pick back…

        • Reasonableeaglefan

          Who would you pick over RG3 in that spot? I don’t love his style, but besides Russell Wilson, who everyone passed on twice, who’s the pick?

          • anon

            Would not have made the trade, could have gotten Kirk Cousins or RW or Foles. Think GM / Owner were trying to save jobs / invigorate fan base.

            And I mean their no. 2 this year in which they could have taken anyone they wanted.

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            RG3 is a better QB option than anyone at 2 this year. Cousins sucks and Foles and RW have both far out played expectations of guys drafted in their spots. Eagles fans would have loved a bold move by Reid like that and it may have saved his job hete

          • anon

            I don’t know if the fans could have dealt with another mobile QB, especially in Andy’s west coast offense.

          • paul from nc

            I have more faith that Wilson will be a franchise QB, than Foles.
            He had a tremendous year, but I need to see it this year against better competition. Quicker release, less sacks and not afraid to throw into coverage.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Not gonna lie. I wanted Wilson that year.

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            You may have wanted him, but not in the 1st rd and no way would you have taken him at #2 overall, which I mistakenly thought was the OP’s premise. It would have raised eyebrows if he went in the 2nd rd. That’s why the story a few months back about the Eagles entire draft being set up to grab Wilson that year, after not trading for Kaep was total BS. If RW really was rated that high, use a 2nd rounder. They did it for Kolb when QB was much less of a concern.

  • Neanderthal

    Heres a question for you. If you are Hou., Wash., Clev. or someone early in 2nd rd, would you trade 2nd and 4th for our 1st next year? If Eagles would you do that?

    • Joe from Easton

      If there were ever a deep enough draft to justify that then this one is it. I don’t see Howie or Chip doing it though unless we landed Mosley or Barr (Barr would require a trade / loss of later pick) and someone like A Rob or ODB were still on the board.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I dunno man. Chip is still somewhat of a wild card at that point. He decided to move on from DJax and Howie & Lurie supported it 100%. I’m sure if he made a good case, they’d allow him to do whatever he wanted.

        I still think there is this glimmer that Chip may want to take a run at Marcus next year though. All depending on how Foles shows this year of course.

        • oreofestar

          Mariota I like him but he can go to hell I just want Foles to have another good season and put this talk to rest

          • Jerry Pomroy

            So do I. I just think that the jury is still out on Chip (being a wild card) maybe more so than Foles.

        • anon

          Marcus is not very accurate — and looked terrible at points this year. I’m sort of like whatever with him. But Chip’s going to get what he wants.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            That’s my true point. Your last statement.

          • oreofestar

            yeah if he is in love with Mariota and God forbid FOles (tribute) regresses Chip can do whatever he wants and Jeff and Howie will let him

          • paul from nc

            agree. I don’t think it’s impossible that Chip trades him for two reasons.
            1. He probably wants a faster QB. I know he has plugged anybody in and won. But, to run his full offense, he needs a running threat.
            2.Foles contract extension. Money, money money. Lurie can get 3 more years of a cheap QB.

        • Joe from Easton

          I second orefestar’s point. I just want Foles to come out and go for a 100+ passer rating, 30 TD’s to 10 Int’s, 3750+ yards, and a game winning drive or two so everyone can just forget about getting a QB for the next seven years.

          • anon

            For me it’ll be interesting to see how they feel about cap management, important positions, etc. What are they willing to pay for certain positions. That said, gotta have a quality QB (less important in college than pros), if Chip didn’t know before he probably knows now.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’m with you. I just don’t know what to fully make of Chip yet. I don’t see him to be as plainly written & predictable as Reid.

        • paul from nc

          That has been my belief as well. Mariotta is “his guy” and a new coach usually ties himself to a quarterback.
          I believe Foles was a real pleasant surprise. And, yes, it all depends on what he does this year. If he picks up where he left off, there’s no way you get rid of him. But if he slips a little, I can see Chip trading him for enough to be able to move up and get Mariotta.
          Of course, it would be a football decision, and nothing to do with extending him to a monster contract.

    • oreofestar

      Eagles yes…other 3 no look lets say we pick 25 next year a pick in the low 30s with a high 4th in the same year is equal value but when you have to wait a year then value is lower since next year’s first is 33rd overall if you trade 33rd and 4th for 33rd you lose

    • Neanderthal

      Round 1 Pick 22: Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California (B)
      Round 2 Pick 1 (HOU): Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech (A-)
      Round 2 Pick 22: Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A-)
      Round 3 Pick 22: Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (A)
      Round 4 Pick 1 (HOU): Jordan Tripp, OLB, Montana (C)
      Round 4 Pick 22: C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa (A)
      Round 5 Pick 25 (S.D.): Chris Watt, OG, Notre Dame (B)
      Round 6 Pick 25 (S.D.): Vinnie Sunseri, SS, Alabama (B-)
      Round 7 Pick 22: Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (B-)

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Mayock said yesterday that he sees as many as 6 WRs & 5 CBs going in the 1st.

    5 CBs??? Really???

    • peteike

      when all these guys do is get on TV every day for months prior to the draft, they come up with a myriad of opinions. I wouldnt doubt if most of them contradict themselves just filling time.

  • IAteLunchToday

    I’m just putting this out there. I hate espn. Reading about Kiper just makes me aggravated. I think they are terrible. Their coverage of the NFL is atrociously bad. They are huge SEC homers. Trey Wingo is terrible. Ashley Fox knows less than I do. Some of her stuff is so ridiculous I feel like I’m reading The Onion. I don’t know how long she’s been writing columns for the Eagles but i feel bad for you guys. I feel bad for myself when I accidentally click on one of her articles. Both Kiper and the other guy were mocking the same guy to the eagles which had them passing on Barr to pick up a second/third round prospect (according to sports writers with brains). I hate them so much. That other columnist Chadididida or whatever his name is awful, too.

    I am grateful though that they directed me to this site in their lunch links. You guys, Tim and Sheil, are awesome. Just reading some of the stuff by espn is like being reminded of an abusive relationship and I just try to block it out, but sometimes I am reminded of it and I just realize how much I hate espn.

    • IAteLunchToday

      The comments are also generally worth reading, too, which is nice.

    • PaoliBulldog

      You are referring, I believe, to Jeffri Chlamydia, an STD associated with unprotected exposure to ESPN hacks. The only treatment is bed rest and a firewall.

      • Maggie

        Chlamydia! Made me snicker.

        • paul from nc

          and probably itch

    • djack10

      ESPN is not for true sports fans and has not been for many, many years. It is an entertainment channel. It has zero local knowledge and is predicated on driving viewership and clicks, not actual information.

      • anon

        The MTV of sports?

        • djack10

          If you mean the MTV after it stopped playing music videos and also became excessively suck-ish, then yes.

  • botto

    if we can get cooks our offense will be great. our d should be better this year too.
    we do need someone fast and tough like cooks though i believe that

  • Joe

    The Eagles can move the ball up and down the field in offense. They need help in the redone….kelvin Benjamin will be their top pick. His natural skills are amazing. Put him through the eagles offseason condition/sports science program and he’ll be a stud. STAMP IT… That’s pick 22