Foles: DeSean Was a Great Teammate To Me

NFL: Philadelphia Eagles at Minnesota Vikings

There has been a theory floating around that DeSean Jackson wasn’t all that integral to Nick Foles’ success last year.

Foles had better chemistry with Riley Cooper, some have argued. The only problem? The theory’s not really rooted in fact.


Foles had great numbers to pretty much every receiver on the Eagles last year. But on throws to Jackson, he was 50-for-71 (70.4 percent) for 808 yards and seven touchdowns. On throws to Cooper, he was 34-for-57 (59.6 percent) for 673 yards and seven scores.

The Eagles' third-year signal-caller now gets Jeremy Maclin back, and the team has added Darren Sproles to the mix. But he'll be without the team's leading receiver in Jackson.

"It’s surprising, but at the same time you also learn that this is a business," Foles told Derrick Gunn of Comcast SportsNet on Saturday. "It’s a tough business at times. We develop a lot of friendships on the team. And I’ve had many of my close teammates let go. It’s very tough but at the same time you know it’s part of the game, part of the business. You wish them well. He landed on his feet. I know he’s gonna do well. He’s a great player. He’s been tremendous for me. But at the same time we have to keep moving forward as an organization. I do wish DeSean well. I had a blast playing with him."

Foles was asked about Jackson being a distraction and a bad teammate.

"He was a great teammate to me," Foles said. "We had a great relationship on and off the field. Everybody has other things going on, but to me personally, I really enjoyed playing with him. I’m excited that he landed on his feet. He’s a heck of a player."

Foles added that he's excited for the current group of players and coaches.

Video of the interview is embedded below.

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  • Token

    So Foles is back in Philly? Good news.

    • Joe L

      With a sweet new haircut too. Going for less Napoleon Dynamite, more Ryan Gosling I guess.

      • Philly0312

        Honestly. ..it’s a good call. Haha

      • G_WallyHunter

        All Business..

      • MediaMike

        New haircut for each season so his pro-bowl picture looks different each and every year. I’m hoping for about 10 straight different hair styles, but for 4 or 5 of them we’re talking about named starter but DNP due to Super Bowl obligation.

      • Kev_H

        He’s married now. Haircuts are now out of his realm of responsibility.

    • Peter Patrick

      Yep he was at the Soul home opener last night, with Ertz and Trent Cole. Announced him being there, and him and Ertz were honorary captains

    • NickS1

      April 21 is a big day. We might get real news.

  • Will

    Happy Easter All…Thanks Tim & Sheil for all you do…Foles a class act…the business side of football blows…

    • Token

      ummmm….. Arent we gonna get a mock draft, Easter Edition? :)

      • Will

        okay then I’ve gotta get on the road…most likely the last one sick of um want the real draft…

        • Token

          Moving the draft back into May was a horrible idea, at least for us fans.

          • Will

            Just for Token traded out of the first…no future picks used…

            Your Picks:

            Round 2 Pick 8 (MINN): Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (B)
            Round 2 Pick 25 (S.D.): Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (A-)
            Round 3 Pick 18 (CHI): Ronald Powell, OLB, Florida (D+)
            Round 3 Pick 22: Keith McGill, CB, Utah (B+)
            Round 4 Pick 22: Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State (A-)
            Round 5 Pick 23 (K.C.): Deandre Coleman, DT, California (C)
            Round 6 Pick 7 (CHI): Brandon Thomas, OG, Clemson (D)
            Round 6 Pick 30 (N.E.): Cairo Santos, K, Tulane (C-)
            Round 7 Pick 22: L’Damian Washington, WR, Missouri (B-)
            Round 7 Pick 25 (S.D.): Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (B)

          • JReamer

            Where do you get all of these mock drafts?

          • MediaMike

            the first pick .com website.

          • JReamer

            Thanks.

          • MediaMike

            Any time. Just be careful with posting too many of your own mocks on here. A few of the folks went into full “anti” mode on them the other day. I’m holding off for a little while on putting out any more of my own on here.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            obliged.

          • jshort

            Since you brought up “Token” …. Happy 4/20 all.

          • LostInChiTown

            Ooh, Big Lebowski must be on then.

  • hillbillybirdsfan

    Translation: I’m still on my rookie contract so DJ never hit me up for money.

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      • jt521

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  • cliff henny

    like it. was honest but gave no real ammo. acknowledge the FO, but want McNabb’ish homer about it. Spoke well of ex-player, in general sense, so current players knows FOles wont say anything stupid when asked about them. solid quote giving little bit more than canned stock answers but really nothing there to ruffle feathers or sink teeth into. do this couple more times and press will get bored and move on.

    • MediaMike

      Chip / Howie still owe us a long session with the reporters so they can be on-record with all aspects of this situation and appropriately held accountable should this move not work out.

      • cliff henny

        not happening. think we know the answer anyways. $$$ and jax/Kelly didn’t get along.

        • MediaMike

          And you’re probably close to the truth, but they need to be quoted on questions like:
          - who’s fault is it if the team fails to improve this year and lack of WR production is a big part of that?
          - why was Jackson cut?
          - do you believe your system is transcendent of player talent?
          To be quite honest, I hope the team continues to improve. If it does not, I want scalps.

          • Joe Putin

            I love it when dumb people try to act smart using big words wrong.

          • PhillySean

            Owners get to demand answers like that if they want them.
            Fans….not so much.

          • MediaMike

            They can give up their anti-trust exemption and return the tax money used to build that stadium and I’ll lower my demands.

          • PhillySean

            Fair enough.

          • Reef215

            My sentiment exactly!

        • GreenScabs

          The more time that goes by the $$$ really does seem to be the main reason for letting him go, but that is totally absurd!! If there isn’t some smoking gun somewhere that forced the Eagles hand, then there is absolutely no reason for them not to trade him. We were led to believe that the FO didn’t want to trade him and have another team deal with the so-called issue.

          If there is no issue, than there shouldn’t be any problem trading him for something, ANYTHING! A pick in the 2015 draft! ANYTHING! It seems to me the whole league knew we were going to cut him so every team offered nothing, and if this is the case the organization should be completely embarrassed. To have information of the teams plans broadcast to the entire league is inexcusable.

      • mtn_green

        Nflpa is investigating they can’t say nothing ever.

        • MediaMike

          Ha ha. Good luck to them.

      • Yes_General

        Bears – 4 catches 0 TD
        Cowboys – 3 Catches 0 TD
        Saints – 3 Catches 0 TD

        Am I missing something. Why does Desean’s production late in the season require MORE explanation? He is not and never was a number 1 receiver. Chip and Howie made the right decision. If you want to blame someone, go blame Andy Reid for making us believe a 5’10 175lb WR can be a number 1 WR in the NFL.

    • Kev_H

      I think Foles really goes out of his way to form meaningful relationships with all of his teammates. If he continues to play well enough to be the franchise, I think that,plus the example he sets, is going to pay off big-time. The leaders set the tone, especially when they are best buds with everyone.

      “To be a great leader, you have to be a great servant, and I think that’s very overlooked in this culture and in this league,” Acho said. “Nick does a good job of serving everybody well, whether it’s taking guys out to eat or grabbing water on the way in when somebody’s too lazy to walk over to the cooler.” (http://articles.philly.com/2013-12-02/sports/44622749_1_nick-foles-emmanuel-acho-dion-lewis).

      I don’t think Foles is being phony here. I’m sure he loved playing with Jackson and he considers him a good friend. He took up for DeSean pretty strongly after the Vikings game regarding the sideline flare up.

  • MediaMike

    Well well well, the list keeps getting shorter over who the unnamed source slamming Jackson could be. I’m still betting on self-serving Maclin.
    Again it appears there we’re dealing with a personality conflict between Jackson and Kelly for some reason.
    Kelly is painting himself into a box with the lack of public accountability for this move. The reporters who cover this team have legitimate questions about the situation that demand answerers and the brain trust continuing to hide and refuse to answer questions is very telling.

    • Joe L

      So in the unnamed source Maclin would say “Maclin is around right now because he’s a team-first guy”?

      • MediaMike

        Who knows, but I find it interesting how Shady and Foles both generally stuck up for Jackson.

        • Joe L

          Not interesting at all. Why fuel something that’s just about dead now? Foles is no dummy.

          • MediaMike

            I agree with you, but somebody chose to fuel it via the unnamed trashing of Jackson from a few weeks ago.

          • Joe L

            You’re very hung up on this. The source was unnamed for a reason. Do you think that person would just decide to answer the question the same way during a TV interview all of the sudden? Relax Sherlock, you’ll likely never know who it was.

            And of all people, what makes Maclin so “self-serving”?

          • MediaMike

            I’m of the general belief that Maclin stood to gain the most financially and production-wise by having Jackson off of the roster. I’m hung up on the whole issue because I’m concerned we took an unnecessary risk with the roster by replacing a superior talent (Jackson) with an inferior one. (Maclin) The overall lack of transparency by the team on the issue is also infuriating.

          • Joe L

            So because Maclin likely has the most to gain by the Eagles losing Jackson, you assume he’s now “self serving” in your mind? I hope to God you aren’t a detective.

            And I don’t think they plan on replacing DeSean with Maclin. If so, they wouldn’t let DeSean walk after only giving Mac a 1 year deal.

            .

          • MediaMike

            You can feel free to disagree with me on the issue, but how about you avoid straying into the personal commentary? Totally fine that you’re not in agreement with me on what I think of the situation and of Maclin, but keep the disagreement topical please.

          • Joe L

            Funny you’re so sensitive about being “personal” (although a detective joke is far from life invading) when you’re slandering a guy based on your own baseless assumptions.

            Consider us disagreed.

          • UKEagle99

            I disagree with you on this and I disagree that Maclin is the inferior player. I took the time to post comparison stats from both players 1st 59 games (all under the Reid regime) and Maclin outperformed Jackson on all but yards, 20+ & 40+ yard gains, the latter 2 were much closer than you think.

            CK clearly likes what he sees in Mac and I for one am looking to see him ‘break out’ this coming season and get some love. I think CK will move him around a lot more than AR & MM ever did.

            I get that he was a fan favourite, I get people want a reason, I get his production will be missed and DCs had to scheme for him but it is what it is. Time to move on and discuss the future. If the ish hits the fan in the season then lets debate it to death then as we will have bugger all else to look forward too.

          • MediaMike

            We’ll have to see what Maclin does as the “#1″ with a full season of work at that position.

          • Scott J

            So you have made-up conspiracy theories about Maclin, but ignore everything that’s said about Jackson? So what exactly do you think Maclin did to get Jackson released?

          • MediaMike

            I’m am struggling to find the link, but there was a story a few weeks ago (may have been from a reporter’s tweet) that Maclin was refusing to sign if the team kept Jackson. I’ll post the link if I can find it.

          • Maggie

            First, there is no “we”. Second, Jackson is not being “replaced” by Maclin If the trade had not happened they would have been on the field at the same time, for many plays.

          • MediaMike

            My tax dollars built that stadium. Teams are allowed to operate outside of the law via an anti-trust exemption. There is several hundred million dollars worth of “we” down there.

          • Scott J

            From everything I’ve read and heard about Jackson in the locker room is, he didn’t hang out with anybody and was into doing his own thing. Which is fine, BUT, don’t expect teammates to stick up for him since he was never friendly with them. You have an obvious agenda. You want players to come out and trash their head coach and the Eagles organization, and stick up for Jackson. It’s not going to happen.

          • MediaMike

            The only agenda I have is two-fold:
            1) I want some on-record comments from Kelly and Roseman in order to maintain proper accountability for this move.
            2) I want to point out the muck all over the footwear of many people as they falsely kick dirt on Jackson’s grave as an Eagle.
            I simply don’t feel a move of this magnitude should simply be accepted without a high degree of scrutiny because nobody associated with this organization has earned that level of trust.

          • Scott J

            What’s proper accountability? They don’t want him on the team anymore, so they released him. Teams release players all the time. You sound as though the mean old Eagles organization kicked Jackson to the curb and now he’s homeless and destitute. Did you buy a Jackson jersey before they released him and the Eagles won’t let you return it and get your money back? Why so much hatred toward the Eagles and Kelly?

          • MediaMike

            I purchased a Jackson jersey years ago, but hardly a new purchase or one I’ll stop wearing. He just happened to be my favorite player on the team.
            I’m not looking at it from a spite standpoint. This isn’t cutting a declining player who was making too much money which we all understand is the business model of the NFL. This is removing a pro bowl player from the roster and not replacing talent for talent. I see that as a risk that needs to be questioned heavily rather than simply accepted. If it turns out well for the team, I’ll acknowledge my questions were met with great answers.

          • RIP illa

            I no longer expect or really care about an answer, for reasons I gave awhile ago, but for those who still do…I think your post here is stated reasonably well. Up vote.

          • MediaMike

            Thank you, and I totally understand why some other folks are ready to move on.

          • Richard Colton

            why would Foles kick the guy on the way out the door? Classy move. Didn’t contradict the team’s position either. Smart move too, since they’ll both be in the probowl next year.

          • RIP illa

            Yup. Thought he handled it damn near perfectly!

          • Bullwinkle

            The most likely answer is that Jackson is a PITA and management did not want him around anymore, due to a negative impact on good order and discipline and the potential for a major blowup down the road. Guys get fired from different organizations for reasons like this all of the time. I fired people for this reason during my working career. Management never comes out publically and states that the employee was fired due to his/her poor character.

          • MediaMike

            I totally understand that line of thinking and reasoning for the move, but I can’t imagine Jackson did anything on the magnitude of stabbing a teammate in the chest with barber shears as Michael Irvin did prior to Dallas winning 3 titles in the 90s. I see Jackson’s talent as deserving of the Jimmy Johnson version of “fair.”

          • Bullwinkle

            More info about Jackson’s relationship with the Eagles will probably come out a year or two down the road. It will be interesting to see how this move works out over the next couple of years. I remember Michael Vick’s quote about Chip being a “leader” and demanding that things be done a certain way. I think this will serve Chip Kelly well as long as he is fair and consistent. The great Vince Lombardi was a no nonsense type of guy who did not tolerate players with attitude issues.

          • Kev_H

            His production was on a steady decline for 4 years. New coach comes in and RB leads league in rushing, plays out of his mind. QB leads league in passing, sets records, plays out of his mind. Back up WR with no accomplishments in his career puts up strong numbers and plays out of his mind. DeSean Jackson finishes in the top 10 in major receiving categories. Seems like a possible weak link when results are adjusted for how profoundly the new offense approaches effected everyone else.

          • MediaMike

            That is certainly plausible, but I want somebody to officially stand behind that line of thinking and own the results if they don’t turn out well.

          • Maggie

            The only people who have any right to “question it heavily” would be shareholders, if there were any. Nobody else. If some outside person doesn’t like the Eagles organizational decisions, they are free to change the channel.

          • MediaMike

            If we were talking about casting decisions with True Detective, I’d agree with you. The Eagles enjoy a special legal status with the NFL’s anti-trust exemption and the countless hundreds of millions of dollars they’ve received in tax breaks / direct payments from the public coffers. That entitles the public to a higher level of access than what one would get from a typical business.

          • Eagles1018

            Just board surfing so excuse the late reply. Mike I agree with your concern. But like Nick Foles said “it’s a business.” As fans we grow to love certain individuals that play the game but if the team wants to move forward the business end of things told them it was the best solution for the team overall. Some people willove a team because of regional loyalty and some will love players…some fans will find both most likely through the regional loyalty. I was and still a huge fan of B Dawk. As a New Yorker I didn’t care for the Giants really ever except the year of the Bills Super Bowl and I was a little kid then that didn’t really get what was going on. I like Randall and then McNabb and then Dawkins sealed my love for the team. I digress…so when Dawkins left I was perplexed and frustrated. One of the best Safeties in the game , though in decline and we let him go over a dispute of his amount of signing bonus. It happened, were still dealing but we are ok as a team. We will be ok. Think about the Patriots letting Moss go…or any team letting him go. Sorry, Moss was a better WR than D Jax on his greatest day. But as an organization does it make sense? They saw that for this team it didn’t. Will D Jax come back and try to put up career numbers against us? Sure he will. TO put up numbers against us with the cowboys. But we were still ok. And we will be fine.

        • Scott J

          They didn’t stick up for Jackson. They actually had kind words to say about him AND Kelly. So did Maclin.

    • Scott J

      “Kelly is painting himself into a box.” What does that mean? The term is painting oneself into a corner.

      • MediaMike

        Sorry. Coffee not in full effect as of yet. Edited.

        • Joe Putin

          No I think it’s just that you aren’t very intelligent.

          • MediaMike

            Nice troll screen name coward. Add something productive to the conversation or drop dead.

          • Richard Colton

            Wow. What a jerk.

    • Joe from Easton

      I watched “Do the Right Thing” last night. You remind me of the guy who wants to boycott Sal’s famous, Buggin’ Out. All you’re doing is stirring the pot here, but I don’t think you’re going to get the ending that Buggin’ Out got. Leave it alone my friend.

  • NickS1

    Did people think that of all players, it’s be company man Foles to say anything different? I think we need to stop trying to read into player quotes and trying to figure out who was the “unnamed source”. Foles has never given a non-team first, high praise response in regard to a player. Correct me if I’m wrong, but nothing comes to mind. It’s over and done with, move on.

    • MediaMike

      It isn’t over and done with until we measure;
      - Foles’ numbers in 2014 vs. 2013
      - the won/loss record in 2014 vs. 2013
      - how the team does in the two games vs. Washington in 2014 vs. 2013
      - the overall ranking of the O in 2014 vs. 2013
      - how the Eagles progress in the playoffs in 2014 vs. a home loss choke in 2013
      The move is certainly over, but until the impact of the cut can be measured by what we see on the field in 2014 is done we cannot truly finish assessing the move.

      • Andy124

        Yes, because DJ is the ONLY variable between last year and this. We will be able to conclusively gauge the exact impact his departure had.

        • MediaMike

          He’d be the largest one I can see.

          • Andy124

            Largest? Dude’s like 4 foot tall and 90 pounds soaking wet.

          • MediaMike

            Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ok, Geathers then.

      • NickS1

        The impact can’t be accurately measured. Here’s why:

        Foles numbers will be different regardless. Chip’s offense doesn’t consist of the same exact playbook recycled each season. Same general concepts, but he evolves his offense and tailors it to his personnel, which was already different with Maclin back, Sproles, plus whatever rookies. So every question you have regarding the offense is pretty much pointless because the two seasons are very different.

        Your point about Washington doesn’t have any value. They have an entirely new offense coming in, a QB who has an offense to grow and not rehab, plus other personnel changes. If we lose to them, whether or not Jaccson plays well, it has more to do with unfamiliarity with their new schemes and the growth of RG than it does Jaccson.

        Eagles schedule out of division is entirely different. Renders that moot.

        Gotta make the playoffs, which wasn’t a lock with Jaccson.

        • MediaMike

          So what measure do you suggest be used to assess the cut of Jackson?

          • CTAZPA

            What measure will you be using to assess re-signing Jason Peters? Will you be using next year’s numbers or assessing the life of his contract? Or you aren’t even bothering with tracking an offensive player many consider to be better at his position then DeSean is at his. While the release of DeSean was a disaster to you, and clearly the biggest Eagles news of the off-season, it’s still one of only a series of moves made by the team. It’s time to let it go.

            When Sproles was added to the team, I got excited by the prospect of all that speed too. I was shocked and saddened by the loss of DeSean and what it meant for next year’s team. So I get that it’s upsetting. But there’s so much that we don’t know, from his level of insubordination to the Eagle’s plans for future contracts and the cap. Maybe DeSean’s gone because Chip doesn’t believe that he can show up in big games when the clutching and grabbing becomes more of a factor.

            Chip Kelly owes us his best effort to put a winning team on the field on a Sunday. Besides that, he doesn’t owe us much. I loved, “We’re from Philadelphia and we fight!” That’s his style. If you’re waiting for him to come out and bad-mouth DeSean, it isn’t going to happen. “He’s not worth the money.” “He didn’t adhere to team rules.” “He disappeared when refs allowed a looser style of play.” It would be cool to hear those opinions expressed and given their proper weight, but it’s not going to happen.

            DeSean is gone; it’s time to move on.

          • Maggie

            Assess why?

          • NickS1

            I say we don’t waste time trying to assess the cut of Jaccson.

      • Kev_H

        I think the Eagles will do great in all those areas but it will prove nothing about this move – I think they’d do better in 2014 with Jackson. But what about beyond? Having cap space rolling over makes it easier to retain the stars of the future and makes it more likely they hold on to Shady another year. Drafting a WR and getting him snaps makes it more likely Foles has an elite, affordable receiver in his prime years (27-30). Fans can be short sighted. Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder are fans and they have struggled in the salary cap era.

        • MediaMike

          I’m 100% fine with a cap planning justification if / when the move gets officially explained as such by the team.

          • Kev_H

            I don’t think there is any reason or benefit to the team to explain their moves beyond what they did already. It just isn’t professional or respectful to the players involved to say anything but the good things Chip and the players have said and I feel they are being 100% earnest. Note that Chip said they will do what is best for the team and Nick said it’s a business.

            As for the badmouthing of Jackson in the press, I’m an economist and always think in terms of incentives. The Eagles had zero incentive to bad mouth Jackson. For their own purposes, they’d have been better off being able to trade him. Short of that, they would be better off if whoever signed him devoted as much of their salary cap as possible to him thereby lessening the degree for which they can compete for other players who might interest the Eagles. The Eagles are better off if the Redskins are paying Jackson $12 million per year than if they are paying him $8 million per year.

            On the other hand, teams that were interested in acquiring him do have some incentive to bad mouth him. It might scare away competition and lower what they have to pay him.

            Nobody forced Kelly to say he got along fine with Jackson, had no problem with him, and liked him, which he said March 26th and it doesn’t seem to me that Kelly is one to blow smoke. If he didn’t like Jackson he could have just said nothing. So I think a lot of the drama is overblown and not coming from the Eagles. Jackson’s a really good player and I’d have liked to see him for at least another year, but they have a lot of money tied up in offensive players and clearly wouldn’t be able to keep them all after 2014. Who is more difficult to replace? Peters? McCoy? Jackson? I wouldn’t argue strongly for or against any of them compared to the other two, but it almost looks like they need to roll over cap space to keep even two of those guys for 2015.

  • Scott J

    Nick said what we would expect him to say. He’s not going to throw jackson, his teammates, or the organization under the bus.

  • Javi Echie

    Really what does anybody expect Saint Nick to say he could find good things to say about hitler if asked so of course this was expected but I’m sure deadskins fans and media will use this to still try and bash chip and the fo for the release of djax

    • Scott J

      Hitler? Really?

      • Javi Echie

        It’s called sarcasm friend like nick foles can’t say anything bad about anybody. If you couldn’t pick up on that you gotta problem

        • Scott J

          You don’t know what sarcasm is.

          • Javi Echie

            Oh yea I don’t know what sarcasm is just cause you said so haha yea right f*ck outta here….listen if you don’t approve of what I say then don’t comment on it keep it moving

          • Scott J

            I hope you get thrown off this site for using disrespectful language like that.

          • Warhound

            PC much?

          • Maggie

            Don’t you know what sarcasm is either?

          • Javi Echie

            Ohhh no I’m sooo scared…I’m just gonna stop now cause you are clearly a lil b**ch so I don’t wanna keep hurting your feelings

      • IAteLunchToday

        hitler was the first to do an anti-smoking campaign. There, I did it, I successfully defended hitler and said good things about him.

        • Maggie

          He also instructed some engineers to create a “‘people car”, kind of like Ford in N. America, that the average wage earner could afford. You know, Volkswagen.

          • IAteLunchToday

            See people? Not all bad. And to me personally he never did anything…

  • Andy124

    What, nobody noticed that Nick didn’t say that DJ was a good teammate and wasn’t a distraction? Didn’t say that he never caused any problems. Just that he was a good teammate but had to qualify it with a, “to me”. Nail in the coffin right there. ;)

    • Scott J

      I got that too.

    • G_WallyHunter

      “Everybody has other things going on, but to me personally”

      Bingo.. Sure Foles liked him, and that is the QB and leader of the team, holds a little more weight, but Foles clearly stated it was to him and he’s a WELL-DOCUMENTED company-first talker especially going into extension year, hard to take his comments too seriously. He did go out of his way to say “to me”, telling enough..

      • Maggie

        You said it first, then I repeated when I logged on ‘cos I didn’t read far enough first. ;~)

    • Maggie

      Totally agree.

      • Andy124

        Full disclosure, I wrote that semi-tongue-in-cheek. See: winky-face. :)

        Obviously we both noticed the same thing, but I think it’s dangerous to read too much in to the exact wording of his answer with any kind of conviction. Certainly may be a totally accurate inference, I just don’t want to put any weight behind it.

  • ICDogg

    Is everyone in denial here? One theory after another is being knocked down as people tried to make sense of the release.

    • MediaMike

      We all have our own spin. You and I might be in agreement for parts of things with Jackson, but I don’t think the other folks are really in denial.

      • ICDogg

        As to the notion that his teammates didn’t want him around, I think it’s fairly well disproved.

        • MediaMike

          All vs. most vs. some vs. a few is more where I’m interested in things.

        • Scott J

          How was it disproved? His best friend on the team, a disgruntled ex-Eagle, and a QB who has never said anything bad about anybody have said nice things about Jackson.

      • DoctorRick

        No amount of speculation about something none of us has any real information about will change anything at all. I think that the FO is smart enough and wanting to win games and would not cut any player who was affordable and who would help reach that goal. That’s why I don’t think there is any conspiracy. Maybe we will find out more and maybe not. I’m more interested in who we will draft than why D Jax was cut.

        • Warhound

          Now this I see…

        • MediaMike

          I agree there wasn’t any sort of conspiracy, but I need to be shown how the move is going to work out prior to assuming that it will. This is too big of a loss of un-replaced talent to simply assume it’ll be fine.

    • Kev_H

      The theories were set up by reporters and fans in denial. The move was straight football/salary cap with a dash of 2014 draft being stocked with WRs. Simple as that.

      • ICDogg

        I’ll even go a step further and say that the decision was mostly made two years ago when they signed him to that “5 year” deal that they never intended to go beyond a couple of years.

        • Maggie

          Quite possibly. I believe that most teams try to plan 4 or 5 years ahead and a new coach arriving could very well agree with removing certain players. Also, as I believe Chip Kelly is actually a student of Chuck Noll’s methods. Noll told at least one Pro Bowl player that he had to fit in the system or wave bye-bye. Heard it straight from that player’s mouth.

        • Kev_H

          I think you are right, but I bet they were open to giving him a new deal if they thought the negotiations would be smooth. I highly doubt he would have agreed to the deal he got from the Redskins if that is what the Eagles were offering.

          • ICDogg

            Yeah, after having your biggest year, how would you react if they wanted you to take a pay cut. But there was more guaranteed money with the Washington deal, so who knows.

  • Glenn

    I thought there was a great reason DeSean Jackson was unexpectedly cut at an odd time. Surely, we were going to hear something about criminal activity, that was going to give the organization a black eye, if he remained on the roster. Surely, we would have heard compelling stories about what a terrible teammate he was. Other than that CBS 3 report from an anonymous source, nothing has materialized. Coleman, Foles, McCoy, have all been on record stating that Jackson was a good teammate. The team weakened itself at WR, needlessly without compensation, because they couldn’t successfully coach or manage Jackson. Blame is to be shared on both Jackson and the Eagle organization. Now, the Eagles head into the draft listing WR as a need.

    • PaoliBulldog

      We may never get a full “official” explanation of all the reasons that went into Jackson’s release. Do you think the Eagles ignored the on-field impact that cutting him would have? Of course not. Do you think CK walked into Novacare one day and announced that he wanted to cut DJax and Lurie/Roseman yawned and said, “Yeah, whatever. Go ahead?”

      • Glenn

        I am sure the Eagles have their reasons, and made a thoughtful decision. But it is my opinion, that the benefits of cutting Jackson are not outweighed by the costs. We are heading into the season where our #1 WR, is coming off a serious knee injury, the second ACL of the same knee. Jackson gave this team a dimension that no one else on the roster can give. The Eagles have a need at WR, that wasn’t necessary. Depending on your view, maybe its addition by subtraction. Maybe its a foolish short sighted decision, a decision that did not have to be made, when it was made. We will see.

    • Kev_H

      You might not agree but it is certainly reasonable that the WR position and team overall are better from 2014-2016 without Jackson and his salary. That’s the time horizon the Eagles are looking at. Plus, there is no way they could afford Jackson, Peters, McCoy, and Foles in 2015. One had to go and I wouldn’t be surprised if McCoy is gone after 2014. His salary cap figure will be on the wrong side of $10 million and his age will be on the wrong side of 27. Like Nick said, it’s a business and they have to be forward looking when making roster moves.

      • Eagles1018

        As much as I agree I hope McCoy is still there. The revolving door business side of things has to give some leeway to the fans need for a face. I like Foles but Shady IS the team when you talk about the jersey seller and the highlight guy. IMO

        • Kev_H

          Agree, but shelf-life for RBs is short and most don’t do much after 27. Brian Westbrook enjoyed exactly 2 seasons as a workhorse back and McCoy is 236 carries away from surpassing Westbrook’s career total and 316 from surpassing Wilbert Montgomery’s career total. The only “modern” Eagles to have more than 1,000 career carries are Montgomery, Westbrook, and Staley. Wilbert and Duce didn’t do anything after 27. Westbrook had his best year at 28 and had an OK year starting at age 29, but that was it for him and he didn’t have many carries prior to age 27. So, it would be foolish to expect several more years of top production ($10 million per year worth) from McCoy.

          My hope is that they dial back his workload and that he is up for a contract redo. If he can stay fresh, I think he can be a difference-maker in big games for a few more years. But if they feed him 275 carries next year, I expect a rapid decline, based on almost every other RB who ever lived.

  • Hiral

    1. Fuller, Ha Ha, Pryor
    2. Keith McGill, WR
    3. Dri Archer, LB
    4. LB, DT
    5. Brett Smith, OG

    • Richard Colton

      Fuller?

      • oreofestar

        kyle

        • Richard Colton

          still…wish he had been talking about William

      • RIP illa

        Keith McGill in the 2nd?
        Keith McGill, WR? :-)

        • Richard Colton

          Kinda like Dri Archer – the Spud Webb of Linebackers

      • Andy124

        Who cares, we get 3 guys in the 1st round, I’ll take it.

      • Hiral

        You, Geagles, and Tom W. that’s all I’m going to say!!!! Geagles is at another site I hear it’s called Bird Trolls 25/8!!!! Why don’t you and your troll buddies join him. When the eagles take a DB in the first round or maybe at DT I hope you remove yourself from this site!!! Dude they aren’t taking an LB at 22. You guys pull stats from google and PFT and then make comical quotes and comments like you trolls have been watching eagle football for years. You dudes started with Kevin Kolb and now you trolls are gurus!!! Lol just comical

        • Andy124

          You, Geagles, and Tom W. that’s all I’m going to say!!!!
          Then what was all that other stuff that came next?

          Seriously, that was a helluva reaction. Not exactly leaving yourself any room for criticizing Geagle.

          • Maggie

            Smokescreen?

          • Andy124

            Definitely not. This guy was around before Geagle got banned.

          • Eagles1018

            Besides Sheil and T-Mac, Geagle got me interested in this board. I like Colton and Tom W despite him coming at me weird a couple times. Why does everyone take each other so seriously though? Nobody on here is an expert or analyst or a scout etc. We all have google and YouTube and we are keeping each other entertained until the draft and September. Have fun!! I mean geez!!! Bring Geagle back, whoever a in charge. He’s now like the D Jax of this board. When they ask me I’ll say Geagle was always good “to me”. And since I’m a rookie on this board he never hit me up for money. And his gang ties didn’t affect his comments on the board. He was always a team guy though I followed him on twitter and he didn’t follow me back. It’s a business…..

          • Andy124

            Why does everyone take each other so seriously though?
            I know you don’t mean this literally, but I got hung up on it anyway. I’m not sure that issue is common enough for your sentence to apply even in a non-literal way. Of course, taking very little seriously myself except for the damn occasional bouts of insomnia, my perceptions are colored by that. But there’s a pretty significantly sized core of regulars here who are all more than a little witty + football smart. It’s a good combination.

            And GEAGLE was always good “to me” as well. I enjoyed the over-the-top style when he was talking football because he generally had a positive slant to things, and he was certainly well informed. And along with others, I tried to encourage him to ignore people he didn’t care for, but you just can’t harp on those kinds of things. Like momma always says, Geagle is as Geagle does. C’est la vie.

          • Eagles1018

            Wait…seriously, your momma said Geagle is as Geagle does? So did mine! Does that mean he’s our…never mind

          • Andy124

            Does that mean that you’re me? Or that I’m you? How did I not know this?

    • Tom w

      Pathetic. Ignores everything eagles have done all offseason …. Eagles don’t draft positions or needs. They draft best players. Hence why they looking at a dozen wrs or Anthony Barr. And Marcus or attaboy in rd 2. Or you just can’t name a player yourself so you be lazy like its fantasy football and take best rated lb or dt on the board. That type of thinking got us Watkins and Jarrett.

      • Hiral

        Your the next troll/clown off this site. First Geagle now you… Lol dude you know nothing about football please don’t make a full of yourself! No way the Eagles take an LB when they obviously take 2-3 years to develop clown! Your the same dummy who wanted dion Jordan and how is that working out? You don’t draft a WR in the first round because the draft is extremely deep dummy! ODB or Cook will not come in and dominant immediately too many flaws in their games. Now if the eagles do take a WR In the first round then they are trading up to get Watkins or Evans which I pray they don’t. So in the kind words of your troll friend Geagles “why don’t you shut your trap and sit back and let me teach you something about football!”

    • OldDocRoss

      Dri Archer gone kill it at linebacker.

  • Hiral

    If it takes nick foles over 10 seconds to find a receiver this season then it’s going to be a long year. That is my only knock with Nick Foles is him finding open receivers while patting that football to sleep. More sacks less interceptions I get it but sometimes a sack is worse than an INT

    • MediaMike

      I’m killing the Jackson move every time it comes up, but I expect Foles to improve with that this year no matter who is at WR. I imagine he and Shurmur have been doing a lot of work on that.

      • Hiral

        I hope so man other than that I like Nick. In my opinion I compare nick foles to Joe Flacco and Alex Smith. That is my opinion. More like a combination of both size and game management. But this is his contract year so I expect to see great things from him. If he spends that time in the film room like Brady, manning then Nick Foles will be a monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Tom w

          U realize that flacco and Alex smith have about 4 more yrs startingb experience and foles dropped a better season statistically than both ever had and did it in his first yr in the offense. Really don’t see any comparison.

          • Hiral

            Brother what does 4 years experience have to do with the way Flacco is in the pocket like Nick Foles? I made the comparison with his throwing style and and movement in the pocket!!! If you watch film on both you will see they both throw the long ball the same. As for Alex smith the comparison comes from how Nick foles manages a game like Alex smith hence the (2) interceptions. But you put out pointless Stats that has no points to the comments. Just because you can google and quote stats from 5 years back doesn’t make you a football guru troll. Your just another Geagle just throwing out stats to back up your clown remarks. Please take that troll talk to another site with Geagles please!!!! Since you and him thought Kevin Klob was the second coming of Joe Montana on this site. Oh yeah I remember you trolls from years ago. But hopefully one at a time you trolls will go too another site

          • Eagles1018

            At least we don’t have to worry about an “un-named source” in the who thinks Geagle is a troll game….

      • RIP illa

        I hope so and he better. Not being a “Foles lover”, by any stretch but not hating him either, that was the only thing I thought he actually showed regression at, from his handful of games in his rookie year. Everything else, he showed tremendous improvement. It was like he was too green to really be fearful, during his rookie year. So add that pocket manuverability, and anticipation to what he brought last year, and he/we should be way better off. Maybe work on his “punt pass” deep balls a little more too :-)!

    • Warhound

      “… but sometimes a sack is worse than an INT.” Examples? Or at least some speculative scenarios. ‘Cause I don’t see it.

      • RIP illa

        NO playoff game where he took a 3rd down sack that out us out of FG range, while in or close to the redzone! It’s alright to like Foles, and it’s alright to not be down with everything Hiral says in a single post, or even the way he words his post, but to say you don’t see it, is a little much. Foles, held on to the ball too long, last season, and took a bunch of unnecessary sacks/hits. That being the worst one. Not trying to be combatative with you…its just is what it is.

        • Harpy Eagle

          I actually agree with the spirit of your post but a better example is needed. If we are talking sack vs. interception in a given situation how is throwing an int in that scenario going to produce a fg for us. A better example would be taking a sack deep in your own territory forcing the punter to the back of the endzone where bad things and shanks tend to happen. An int on a deep go rout often works out better than a punt in that scenario.

          • Warhound

            I was thinking the same thing; I kinda’ expected a speculative scenario that included a deep throw pick vs a bad sack as the rebuttal to my statement. That’s ’bout the only one I could think of.

          • RIP illa

            Ok I see what both, you and Harpy are saying and see what angle it’s coming from. I didn’t take The OP to mean a direct scenario or to be in direct conflict with one or the other, sack v interception. If he intended that, then I don’t really agree. I thought Hiral’s post had more depth to it, and was just out in simple form. Meaning, that the risk of throwing an int sometimes outweighs taking a sack. So whether Foles had to let it go into a tight window, or to a man who hasn’t created the best of separation vs holding on to the ball, waiting for the “perfect” moment to throw, and ending up getting sacked. If he intended it the way you guys read it, then I definitely see what your saying now.

          • Warhound

            Yeah, to be fair maybe I should’ve given more weight to Hirals’ first two sentences.

          • Kev_H

            I used to like how Randall Cunningham managed interception risk. It seemed like between the 40s, he’d take risks on long passes. That seems like the best time to “gun sling” to me. The upside of taking a shot on third down should outweigh the downside of the turnover in that area of the field assuming nothing else is there.

        • Warhound

          How is being moved out of FG range worse than a turnover? It’s a bad result and maybe it’s more frustrating as a fan but the pick is still worse. Held onto the ball too long sometimes – sure – but a pick is till worse than a sack.

          • Richard Colton

            Ummm…’cause we still get the camera shot of Henry warming up on the sideline? I got nothing.

            Actually – here’s where I’ll agree w/ Illadelph. When Nick takes a sack b/c he holds the ball too long, it’s a bad decision. He should have thrown the ball away. Sometimes an INT is indicitive of risk taking – giving your receiver a shot at making a play. Sometimes I’d prefer that.

          • Warhound

            Yeah, OK – the process resulting in the pick could be less problematic than the process that produced the sack.

          • Hiral

            Sorry for not articulating my words right but we all know a sack isn’t worst than an INT. But the one that sent us out of field goal range, amongst others were dead wrong. I’m not bashing foles but he does pat that baby to sleep holding that ball.

        • Kev_H

          Am I wrong? Didn’t the Eagles attempt a makeable FG to end that series? If so, then your criticism is results-based more than process-based. Foles wasn’t trying to run out the clock. He was making the split second calculation that the chance someone would work open for a big play was worth risking a possible sack. I wasn’t happy with the outcome but I’m fine with the process. You absolutely cannot turn the ball over in FG range. But I don’t want the QB focussed on avoiding a sack to keep the FG attempt easy. A missed FG attempt <53 yds is on the kicking team, not the offense.

          • RIP illa

            A missed FG under 53 is soley in the kicker/kicking team??? You don’t want a QB avoiding taking a sack to keep the team in easy or manageable FG range??? Whaaaaaat???

            That doesn’t even make sense! It’s called situational football! If you know you kicker, the only one you have, struggles and can’t be trusted, from distances over 40-45, you don’t take an 11 yard sack, after holding the ball forever, when you’re in the redzone!!! The fact that you are even arguing different is astonishing!

            And if you read further down before replying, you would see that I’m not defending the strict sense of sack v int! I was defending the sentiment and intent of Hiral’s post, which was holding the ball too long, instead of throwing it away or waiting for the perfect moment when the WR is wide open. A sentiment and intent, which was later clarified and confirmed as the intention of the OP, by the OP!!! Can’t believe that I’m the only one that could read between the lines and understand what he was trying to say.

            And I used that example, because it was very egregious, and has been done on a couple or more all-22s…I believe showing that Foles had options to go to, along with ample enough time to see that there was not an option that he was comfortable enough with, and to throw the ball away. So yeah, I had a problem with the process and the result.

          • Kev_H

            So on 2nd and 18 at the opponent’s 23 in the first quarter of a scoreless game you want your QB thinking, not only FG, but FG range? I’d rather have him looking in the end zone trying to make a play. Taking a sack at that point was irrelevant. They were in FG range after the sack and got closer on 3rd down. At that point you still gave your kicker a chance. 3rd and 18 I agree with you, but if you’re going to think FG and FG distance on 2nd down early in the game, you might as well surrender. In any case, you cannot turn the ball over in that situation. You have to at least give your kicker a shot.

          • RIP illa

            Kev, he was at or near the 23! Looking in the endzone??? Really??? That would, ideally, apply if he was a lot closer, and then took the sack. That way, a sack doesn’t matter, cuz they would not have been so far out, that they had to pick up 11 more yards (not 4 yards) on third down, just to get back in FG range. but you don’t take an 11 yard sack when you’re at the 20, after having options and time to throw the ball away, no matter what down it is. FG range is not some uniformed number that is applied across the board, throughout the league. It’s based on what your specific kicker is comfortable with (in in-game scenarios)…that’s it. How were they in FG range, after picking up 4 yards on the 3rd down and still having to take a 48 yard attempt??? Do you know who our kicker is???

            This is becoming a silly argument and I don’t know if we’re getting caught up in the wrong things or silly things. However, Down and distance always matters!!! And sometimes way more than others.

          • Kev_H

            The specific kicker hadn’t missed a field goal from that range in months (since September). After the 4th game, he missed a 60 yarder before half-time vs. Dallas on October 20th and missed a 39 yarder against Green Bay on November 10th.

            In the last three games of the regular season, Henery hit from 51 out against the Vikings, from 49 out against the Bears, and from 47 out against Dallas. He’s 85% from between 40-49 for his career.

            Sorry but it is one of my peeves when the press and fans take on results based, Monday morning QB positions on ordinary plays. 2nd and 18, throw it away and it’s 3rd and 18 and you’re settling for a FG. Henery missed more from <40 than he did from 45-52 after September, so having the QB worrying about, or the press and fans quibble about, the length of a FG attempt, especially early in the game before anyone scored, seems foolish. Then to turn around and act like Henery isn't reliable from that distance, when he has been his entire career, is again a results based assessment.

            There is nothing reasonable to suggest that a 48 yard field goal attempt is stretching Henery. He stinks at kick offs and isn't going to knock down any long ones for you, but he certainly doesn't shrink FG range to less than 45 yards. To suggest that is based on "well they lost by 3, Henery missed a 48 yd FG early, if it was from 44 he would have made it (sketchy thinking because he is 22-26 from 40-49 and 24-28 from 30-39…you're going to miss some). Foles got sacked, so that cost us the game"?!?! Bottom line, if Henery knocks down the FG, the whole thing is moot. They got a shot at a FG from legitimate FG range. Taking a sack on 2nd and 18 is only relevant if they don't end up with a legitimate FG attempt and even that is only partially responsible because the plays on 1st and 3rd down influence the outcome as well.

            To my thinking, 2nd and 18 from the 23 is one of the better places to risk a sack. It isn't like a sack kills a drive, it doesn't take you out of FG range, and getting rid of the ball and coming back with 3rd and 18 isn't likely to extend the drive. Yeah, it was the playoffs, they missed the FG and ended up losing by 2, but that doesn't change anything above.

          • IAteLunchToday

            You wrote a lot. I’m not quite as passionate about this as you appear to be, nevertheless I did read a very interesting and well written article on why Henery was no good. Maybe you should give it a read. Whether you agree with it or not it’s always good imo to read different viewpoints from your own. Hopefully you enjoy it. http://mcnabborkolb.com/

          • Kev_H

            I don’t think Henery is good, but he has been reasonably proficient at 40-49 yard FGs and just about equally as proficient as he’s been on 30-39 yard FGs. At those distances, whether he eventually tries a 34, 44, or 48 yd kick certainly shouldn’t be a consideration for the QB on 2nd down and long in the first quarter of a 0-0 game. Any of those are kicks he can make (or miss).

      • Hiral

        Please refer back to that game against Minnesota. I believe it was that game when he took a bad sack or it was a turnover on downs. Trust I’m not Geagles I don’t speculate but regardless some of the sacks Foles took were “straight out terrible”. And if you think Nick Foles doesn’t hold on too the football too long than clearly were aren’t watching the same games.

        • Warhound

          See my back and forth with the others who spoke on this. I put to much weight on your last sentence. I agree he held the ball too long sometimes. Perhaps the decision to throw a pass that gets picked is sometimes better than the decision to take a sack. However, Kelly coaches that sacks are better than picks; so what is Foles to do? He should improve on this. If he doesn’t improve in this area we’ll all be disappointed.

          • Hiral

            I agree completely!!!!! I hope shurmar fixes those minor issues with foles

        • OldDocRoss

          And if you think Nick Foles doesn’t hold on too the football too long than clearly were aren’t watching the same games.

          The extent to which this is true is grossly exaggerated though. Here’s linkage to a breakdown of all the Eagles’ sacks last season:

          http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Macro-analysis-of-the-48-sacks-the-Eagles-allowed-last-season.html

          There is, unavoidably, some subjectivity in there and personally I’d have had Foles down as responsible for a couple more, but the way some people talk it’s as though Foles was taking multiple sacks per game which clearly isn’t the case.

          Identifying pressure and getting the ball out a bit quicker are things he can definitely improve on but they aren’t areas in which he was massively deficient either.

          • Hiral

            Brother I absolutely agree with you and maybe I am being hard on Foles. But as a die hard Eagle fan what QB have “WE” not been hard on?

    • ACViking

      The only time a sack is worse than an INT is on the last play of the game in which the QB’s team is trailing and needs to get a TD to win/tie.

      Otherwise, live to fight another down.

      • CTAZPA

        AC Viking – Even in your example the sack would only be equivalent to an interception.

        Remember the playoff game when Brady threw an int. on fourth down and somebody (Troy Brown?) ripped a fumble for a new set of downs. That was a propitious interception.

        I suppose a long bomb intercepted on third or fourth down would be better than a sack. But in general, I agree that sacks have less negative repercussions than interceptions. Funny how Foles gets criticized for throwing too few of them!

      • Maggie

        Depending on game circumstances it seems the principal difference between a sack or an INT is which member of the defense gets the credit or which Olineman or receiver or QB gets the blame.

    • UKEagle99

      The only time a sack could be worse than an INT is possibly on 4th down as the INT may give you better field position depending on the return.

      • Hiral

        Thank you for your football expertise.

        • UKEagle99

          Any time (GMT).

    • Neanderthal

      Wow. You blast other posters about their football knowledge and then make that statement? You should start following water polo. You can comment on how well the horses swim.

  • Rick H

    OH! An article about Desean Jackson. I wonder what he is about these days? I haven’t much about him. Oh that’s right he was released by the Eagles. So far two Eagles have commented on him since the release. It has created two articles.
    So if there are 53 Eagles on the active roster then we only have 51 articles to go. Unless of course they start running quotes/articles from practice squad guys, coaches, Eagles office employees, each and every single season ticket holder
    This should die down by the year 2055.

  • Scott J

    I don’t understand these bromances that fans have for players. There are players I like more than others, for various reasons, but I don’t defend them as though they were family members. I was hoping when Vick was released the back and forth squabbles of his haters and supporters would end. Well it did, but unfortunately it has been replaced by Jackson.

    • Maggie

      Well said.

  • Tom w

    Trade back from 22 is a must. Need more picks.

    Trade back once w Texans for 2.1 and 3.1so they can steal derek carr from the browns and bengals for 22 then trade back from 2.1 w Vikings for 2.9 and 4.9 so they can hop ahead of Jax and take Jimmy G.

    2.8) Kyle Van Noy ilb/olb or C. Latimer/A. Robinson wr
    2.22) Jeremish Attouchi ga tech/ Marcus Smith lousiville olb
    3.1) D. Moncrief wr
    3.22) B. Thomas g/ot clemson or christian jones ilb fsu
    4.9) A.Exum vatech corner/safety or landry lsu /josh huff oregon wrs or cj fed te iowa
    4.22) D. Johnson s/cb nc state or A. Colvin okl corner or brett urban de uva
    5.22) C. Lyeria oregon te or DAT oregon rb/wr or D. Thorton nt cal
    7.22) Wesley Johnson t/g/c vandy or Kerr nt delaware

    Line up replacements for meco and cole, seconday depth, two studs at wr, maybe depth behind logan and todd, and a wildcard in colt or DAT.

    Pick up lamichael james after the niners cut him. Maybe trade Bryce or Graham for an extra 6th.

    • Richard Colton

      Great draft…if those players are there. I have a sneaky suspicion somebody’s taking Van Noy in round one. Too much playmaking (if not pass-rushing) ability.
      Would you do #22 for the 49ers #30 & #94?

      1) Van Noy, ILB
      2) Marcus Smith, OLB
      3) Moncreif, WR
      3) Joel Bitino, OL
      4) Terrance Mitchell, CB

      • Tom W

        that works for me as well. I will take basically any trade down. i really want 9 picks and 6 in first 4 rounds. i would be very happy w that draft. bitonio is such an asset can play every position on the line. like the kid from vandy.

    • Hiral

      So in this mock draft of yours the eagles aren’t taking a DB into the 4th round? Brother please unplug your keyboard and wait for further instructions from an eagles representitive! Please follow Geagles to his site for you and your other pundits! The eagles are taking a DB in one of the first two picks hands down!!!! I can tell you know nothing and Mean nothing about football! You want to draft a LB in the first round when they take 2-3 years to develop. Dude if they aren’t Von miller you don’t draft them in round one!!!! Why do you think chip was trying to get dion Jordan who you probably wanted clown!!! Dion is too light in the butt to be a day one starter. Anthony Barr will not come in and dominate but you trolls feel otherwise.

      • OldDocRoss

        1. I’m not sure the success rate of rookie CBs is any better than that of rookie LBs. Both tend to take time to develop.
        2. If we draft an LB and they spend a year learning behind DeMeco/Cole/Barwin in the rotation, that’s cool.
        3. Teams frequently draft LBs in the mid-to-late 1st and find it works out pretty well (see Weatherspoon, Sean; Hightower, Dont’a; Matthews, TheNotShitty).
        4. Calm. Down.

        • Maggie

          Somehow the language used by “Hiral” sounds awfully familiar.

          • OldDocRoss

            I’m always suspicious of those whose names are ‘greyed out’ but can’t place him. Who were you thinking?

          • Maggie

            All the name calling and the opinions stated as facts are very big clues. I prefer to be like Foles. Speak in generalities. ;~)

          • OldDocRoss

            the name calling and the opinions stated as facts are……

            …..99% of comments in the history of the series of tubes, sadly :(

          • Andy124

            You’re old and Barr will fall to the Eagles. Trust me, I know.

          • OldDocRoss

            I’m a spritely 34, and ZOMG Barr is the worst, FACT, so he will fall but the Eagles will pass and the Eagles will select Johnny Football (who will also fall, because of reasons) because Chip has been slow-playing us on the mobile QB thing this whole time and knows Manziel to Momah will be MONEY and so on our next five picks we’ll just PASS because Chip’s EGO is ouT of CoNtrol and if you disagree U don’t no football!

            This is based on sources and stuff, as all grammatically impeccable, bombastic interweb posts are.

          • Andy124

            That’s a bunch of bantha poodoo and your a fraud and not even a reel doctor.

            If you don’t realize by now that Chip just sent his real QB to the Jets to steal their defensive secrets and is going to trade Foles and Sanchez back to them to get the Greatest of All Time GOAT Vick back after he slow plays it in the preseason and gives Geno a bunch of bad advice then I don’t know how you even work a computer well enuf to make your moronic posts hear Nik’s game against Oakland is probably the first and only game you ever even watched.

            That’s too much fun.

          • OldDocRoss

            I may not be a reel doctor but my first two initials are DR so I do get mail (paper AND electronified) that thinks I am so it’s practically the same thing so in YOUR face.

            Vick is only the GOAT because Trelle Prior and Are Gee III haven’t got going yet. He is a haz bean like McNabb and Chip sent him to the Jets so he can throw picks to the New Englanders so they will get all cocky and think they’re all that (like that time they played in a Soup Bowl and couldn’t even stop a man catching a ball in his hat) and then when we play them in the Soup Bowl next year we will win.

            You are right that Vick is at the heart of it all (and he is an all time great held back only by in juries and juries out with evidence and The Man) but you are SO WRONG about…….

            ….ah, I can’t even. But the sad thing is I’d still wager there’s more sanity in the last three posts than 90% of anything on some Eagles’ boards.

          • Maggie

            Just had a mental image of bantha pooddoo and could hardly read the rest. from Wookiepedia: ‘Bantha fodder was a type of food eaten by Banthas. The phrase “Bantha fodder” was also used as an offensive term, as the substance smelled extremely foul.’ And that was before the digestive process.

          • Andy124

            The term bantha poodoo was introduced into my vocabulary by a Twi’lek named Mission Vao in the video game Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. She was awesome, that game was awesome.

            Anyway, it’s a euphemism for bullshit. And I know you knew that, but I saw a chance to say euphemism and I couldn’t pass it up.

          • Maggie

            Several years ago I took an extension course in sign language, Have forgotten much of it now, but still remember the sign for excreted bantha fodder, lol. Our instructor had quite a sense of humor.

          • Maggie

            Now you’re catching on!

          • Maggie

            I’m also old and I think “we” should get LaMichael James, then trade LeSean to the Rams for their #13 (?) and that way Barr WOULD fall to “us”. Only I’m half-serious. Or half-witted.

          • Andy124

            For what it’s worth, I would not trade LeSean for anything.

      • Tom W

        Thanks shah. That’s funny but eagles have paid little to no attention to safety and just a little but more to corner but have brought in a dozen wrs and half dozen lbs. you don’t even know who the players are and merely just puppet what you read mayock say. Cbs always suck the first couple yrs more so than lbs … And chip was going to draft Jordan you nitwit if he was on the board. Seriously go back to iggles blitz and tell everyone how joe Webb is better than nick foles lmao

  • Neanderthal

    My all name draft
    Round 2 Pick 4 (OAK): Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 3 (OAK): Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 4 (NYJ): C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa (C)
    Round 4 Pick 15 (NYJ): Lache Seastrunk, RB, Baylor (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 14 (NYJ): Kevin Pierre-Louis, OLB, Boston College (C-)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Kirby Van Der Kamp, P, Iowa State (A)
    Round 6 Pick 19 (NYJ): Bene Benwikere, CB, San Jose State (D)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Eathyn Manumaleuna, DT, Brigham Young (B-)

    • Richard Colton

      I see you’re sticking a nail in the James Casey coffin. Then again, he’s got a boring name.

      • Neanderthal

        This is a need draft. ( need to hear names mispronounced on sports talk) or maybe a BNA draft (best name available)

    • Warhound

      No Ha Sean Clinton-Dix? Well, only so many pix I guess.

      • Richard Colton

        Will can show you how to trade for the entire 2014 draft. I swear he uses the Contra cheat code on first-pick.com

        • Andy124

          up up down down left right left right b a = 30 1st round picks. you need to trade Casey Matthews and Julian Vandervelde to acquire the other 2.

      • Neanderthal

        Chippah has a one ?*Sean name per team rule. That’s why either Lesean or Desean had to go

        • Warhound

          lol :)

  • IAteLunchToday

    The only agenda I have is two-fold:
    1) I want some on-record comments from Tim and Sheil in order to maintain proper accountability for this move.
    2) I want to point out the muck all over the footwear of many people as they falsely kick dirt on Geagle’s grave as a commenter.
    I simply don’t feel a move of this magnitude should simply be accepted without a high degree of scrutiny because nobody associated with this organization has earned that level of trust.

    • Neanderthal

      Unnamed sources said Geages was once seen with Little Joey Merlino. He had to go so he did not influence the rest of us degenerates.

    • Maggie

      Huh?

      • IAteLunchToday

        I am so bored because I’m so sick right now. I’m just mocking people that are complaining about djax being gone. I didn’t think it was that complicated. And I’m just using Geagle because I think it’s funny.

        • Maggie

          I hope you’re sick of being bored and not bored because of being sick!

        • peteike

          up vote for the sarcasm

  • DEaglesWay

    Wouldn’t be unhappy with this haul without trades:

    Round 1 Pick 22: Odell Beckham, WR, LSU (A)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Kyle Van Noy, OLB, Brigham Young (A)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Antone Exum, CB, Virginia Tech (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 22: De’Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon (B)

    • TripSquadMonopoly

      I like this very much..

    • John E. Zang

      I like this draft except Id like to see Brandon Cooks instead of Beckam. I like Beckam, I just think Cooks had more production and has more upside as a playmaker. If we go smaller at that position I’d choose Cooks. Bigger I might want to take my chances at Robinson or Benjamin.

    • SSINTENSE

      They should go after a big WR imo. They already have plenty of speed with Sproles and Mccoy.

  • Explorer51

    Though I absolutely hate yet another…please make it stop…article about this ex-Eagle, the interview with Foles says more about his classiness than anything associated with Jackson. Has DeSean said anything about the QB who helped him to his record year and, arguably, added a few million to his contract? Nah; and I really don’t expect him too either.

    • IAteLunchToday

      They have to report on it. I understand. I mean it’s the off season and the draft is pushed back. I just find it kind of annoying that people are still complaining that it happened and wanting Chip and Howie’s explanation.

      • Explorer51

        I agree that it has to be reported but it doesn’t have to be a headline, or a standalone article…those are editorial choices, similar to the even more egregiously annoying “breathless” radio promos on 97.5 FM, about the reaction to his release. I’m presuming that there is a commercial reason for this myopic focus and I hope it’s worth it; it’s already cooled me to this site…from its inception, it used to be first read, now it’s third or fourth. Perhaps I’m in the minority, and if so I understand the financial imperative of satisfying the majority.

        Also agree that it’s annoying that people are stomping their feet waiting for Chip’s explanation; everything I’ve read is that he keeps everything in house so whatever he says about all this will be purposefully vague and, to some, unsatisfying. It astounds me that “fans” don’t or won’t comprehend that Kelly decided to remove Jackson from his team for reasons that we may never hear him say publicly; if he is what he purports to be, he is several moves ahead of everyone in this particular game of football chess. I don’t think the pouting and screeching of the press and the public will change him, whether we like it or not. Hey Philadelphia, meet Bill Belechick/Nick Saban 2.0!

        • OldDocRoss

          In fairness, this is the only DeSean story on the main page of this site. We’re getting this in addition to a bunch of other content (on draft prospects, visits, Boykin playing outside etc), not instead of, so I have no problem with it.

          I agree with you on the second part of your post though. Some people seem like they won’t be satisfied until they have a list of everyone who ever had anything bad to say about DeSean along with full details of any alleged insubordination or work ethic issues.

          Even assuming such things exist, why in the world would you announce them publicly? So you can spend the whole summer playing he said/she said with DeSean’s camp? So you can lose the trust of other players who may have told you things in confidence?

          For whatever reason we decided it was in the best interests of the team to cut him. I doubt the official line is ever going to expand much on that, so may as well move on.

    • Kev_H

      It’s coming this fall and RGIII won’t like it one bit.

      • Maggie

        Lol. And RGIII already didn’t like having to tell his followers that he wasn’t going to lose his jersey number.

  • Maggie

    “everybody has other things going on”. Hmmm. Sounds a bit like “I cannot comment on the person in question other than I had no problem with him, but maybe others did”.

  • Rahkem

    LOL well he is the QB id be nice to guy who gets me paid to. We saw that with mediocre QB play desean put up Mediocre stats , thats just how it is.

  • SoCalEaglesFan

    Haters are gonna hate. Sorry to use a worn out cliché but there really isn’t anything more to say. It’s obvious to me that the Eagles waged a smear campaign against Jackson through media outlets that were more than happy to be used and manipulated… namely Jimmy Kempski and Philly.com

    The only people associated with the team who spoke out against Jackson did so anonymously. Every person willing to put their name on the line said DeSean was no problem and nobody ever saw the blowups and acts of insubordination that the “anonymous” sources claimed to be a common occurrence.

    What’s clear to me is the Eagles didn’t want to pay his salary and created a fictional behavior problem to get the fan base to go along with them. The smart fans saw right through it from the beginning.

    • Yes_General

      The other side of the fan base recognized that Desean averaged 3-4 catches during big games. Translation: Either way Defense wins championships and as long as we address our Defense early in the Draft we’ll be fine. Desean is a WR version of Tony Romo. Stacks up yards and statics but when you need him the most he was just a decoy that was asked to run his routes and make everyone else do all the dirty work. That is not and never will be my definition of a number 1 WR.

      • SSINTENSE

        DeSean’s intangibles will be hard to replace. Cooper and Maclin won’t be as wide open. It would be nice if the Eagles can get a WR that will attract attention from secondaries in the 2nd or 3rd round because I’d rather they use their 1st on a defensive player.

      • Coatesvillain

        You should look at Romo’s performances in Decembers. He’s a lot better than people think. It’s usually the Cowboys defense that drop the ball late in the season.

        Just had to correct this misnomer.

        • CSpangler

          Yes, look at all those big wins Romo carried the Boys to late in the season. I can count them all on my right ….

          • Coatesvillain

            Look at how many points those defenses gave up in those games. I get that it’s fun to make Romo the butt of the joke but the Cowboys collapses have been tied to the defense.

    • peteike

      Kempski is the man, great and more importantly, entertaining writer. As for the rest, the team can do whatever it d well pleases and we watch. Fans being right or wrong in hindsight means nothing. Guessing that the Eagles actively went to the media to do all that is just a guess, conspiracy nonsense.