Wake-Up Call: Jordan And the OLB Spot

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When you look at the roster, outside linebacker is the position that screams at you.

The Eagles have needs in several areas. They are thin at wide receiver after releasing DeSean Jackson. The hunt for an effective safety duo is ongoing. It’s essential that they build depth at cornerback, inside linebacker and along the offensive front. But outside linebacker is the spot that requires the most immediate attention.

That’s because there is only one proven, natural, starting-caliber  3-4 OLB on the roster, and that’s Connor Barwin. Trent Cole did an admirable job switching to linebacker after eight seasons as a 4-3 defensive end. He finished with eight sacks and three forced fumbles on the year. Still, he is entering his 10th NFL season and will turn 32 in October. Even if you’re sold on Cole, reinforcements are necessary.




It does not appear Brandon Graham is the answer. As we've discussed previously, the Eagles recognize at this point that he is best suited for a 4-3 and are open to moving him if the price is right. Bob Grotz's report  that the Eagles offered Graham and a second-round pick for Dion Jordan is no surprise to us. We have heard similar whispers and agree with the sentiment that Graham and the No. 22 overall pick gets it done.

There is little question that Chip Kelly is a big fan of Jordan. Tom Gamble reportedly covets the former Duck as well. Enough to part with a first round pick in a supposedly loaded draft? Not so sure about that. But I don't think these talks are dead necessarily.

Another option is to invest a high pick in an edge rusher come May 8. Brian Baldinger made a case for UCLA's Anthony Barr in a recent podcast on the team's website. 

"I know Bill McGovern, the outside linebackers coach, went out and worked him out at UCLA," said Baldinger.

"Say he's there at 15 or 16. And I'm well aware that the Eagles only have six draft picks, they don't have a whole lot of ammunition. But if that's your biggest glaring need -- and to me, the right outside linebacker position would complete this defense in some ways -- why wouldn't you be aggressive?"

There are a few edge rushers that are projected by some to go around where the Eagles are picking in the first round, including Missouri's Kony Ealy and Auburn's Dee Ford. 

The Eagles got a total of just 13 sacks out of its starting outside linebackers last season. It stands to reason that 3-4 edge rushers are atop their priority list, and they'll continue to explore both the trade market and the draft crop for answers.

WHAT YOU MISSED 

What other Eagles could be on the move? That and more in the latest Twitter Mailbag. 

In the latest installment of Draft Daily, Sheil looks at Penn State receiver Allen Robinson.

Kelly with a nice gesture to honor a Navy football player who passed away.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

In his latest mock draft, Todd McShay has the Eagles taking Marqise Lee in the first round and Florida State safety Terrence Brooks in the second.

Lee would give the Eagles' receiving corps a shot in the arm. Right now it'sJeremy Maclin (who is coming off of a torn ACL), Riley Cooper and a few question marks. Lee isn't the burner that DeSean Jackson was for this offense, and he struggled with drops in 2013 much more so than he did his first two seasons, but he has good field speed and is a threat after the catch. Lee did some serious damage to Chip Kelly's Oregon teams in 2011 and 2012, with a combined 20 catches for 344 yards and three touchdowns...

Brooks is something of a reach for the Eagles here, but they need a safety and Brooks brings good playmaking ability.

Don Banks projects that they will select Odell Beckham, Jr. at 22.

Beckham features both DeSean Jackson's burst and elusiveness, as well as the added element of being dangerous in the return game. There are defensive needs for a pass-rushing end or cornerback that could take precedent in Philly, but Chip Kelly is running this show, and he likes offense. What better way to turn the page on the Eagles' Jackson era than by replacing him with a younger and hopefully better version?

COMING UP

We're now less than a month away from the draft. Plenty to get into.

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  • JosephR2225

    Make it happen, Howie.

  • Niels

    I think you meant “admirable” in paragraph 2, Tim.

    • Tim McManus

      Right you are, Niels. Fixed. Thanks.

  • TheNest

    If Jordan were on the board at 22 in this draft the eagles would take him in a second.

    • GEAGLE

      Heck if Dion was in this draft and he fell to like 19, let’s not pretend we wouldn’t be thrilled to see the eagles trade Graham to move up two spots and secure Dion….I see idiots yesterday talk ish! and how we should invest in trading up for Barr….as if a team is going to take Brandon Graham and our 22nd pick to move up for Barr? get real….
      ….
      Moving up to get Barr would probably cost #22, our 3rd and probably another 3rd next year……much rather get Dion for #22 and Graham!!!

      • MaclinFan

        Totally makes sense. Chip loved him last year and now has some NFL game tape on him to see how his abilities translated in the NFL (what he could do; what he struggled with; good habits; bad habits; how he handled struggles; etc). Basically, Chip has more information now to evaluate DJ than he did last year, so if DJ hasn’t lost significant value from Chip’s POV, there’s no reason why we wouldn’t be willing to give up #22+Graham. If we can get him cheaper than that, GREAT! But #22 + Graham does not seem overpriced if Chip still sees his potential. He had a poor statistical season but there were external factors (system, coach vs GM issues, etc). And his light workload just means that he doesn’t really have a full year of wear and tear on him.

      • #1GeagleFan

        if we pull off this miracle and get dion, do you think he’ll be able to take all three downs away from cole by mid to late season? you got any idea if he’s been able to put on some weight yet?
        wow, i think this could really complete this defense, maybe the whole team either this year or next depending on when he’s ready for his breakthrough…put him in chip’s black magic program, i mean sports science program- he should start putting weight on in no time, plus he’ll be bough in to chip’s style before he gets off the plane… they know down there that right olb is the only thing that matters, and what a steal it would be for graham and #22- can you imagine what they’d need to give up to get this year’s best olb, kahlil mack? they have to do this, and they will

    • damrvrhunter

      My initial thougth too, so why not do the deal then? Can someone please explain it to me?

      • GEAGLE

        No one said they wouldn’t….but right now, there is still time to negotiate…you don’t just give in to someone’s demands this early in the process….but if this is real, and he can be had for #22, we would eventually give in and make this deal…but there is still time to negotiate and I like that they are trying to get them to do it for a number 2, so we can use our first to trade back and get more picks

        • southy

          Agreed. They will wait until the draft, see if the phins get antsy

        • damrvrhunter

          I see what your saying.

          • GEAGLE

            You know how negotiations start off..one party asks for too much, the other party offers too little, And they end up negotiating a resolution that falls somewhere in between…if the draft had just ended, then yeah id be pissed that they didn’t make the trade…BUT it’s too early in the process to be giving in to their demands….if push comes to shove, I would assume we give up that #22nd pick…but right now, playing hardball is what we should be doing..especially since we aren’t in their conference so if they do end up trading him! they would gladly see him land in Philly

          • Harpy Eagle

            I could see Graham and #22 for Dion and Miami’s 3rd

          • CJ

            That kills the amount of resource the team has in such a deep draft though. Any other year, I’d be ok with that, but you need to come away with 3 picks in the first 3 rounds.

            How about 22, 122 and Graham and/or Curry for Dion and 50? Think that gets it done? In terms of picks alone, that’s still more value than just 54 on the chart.

          • Harpy Eagle

            I think you misread my post. Graham plus our 1 for Dion plus Miami’s 3rd still gives us 3 picks in the 1st 3 rounds

          • shady25

            I think this deal will go down after the draft for a first round pick next year. Miami isn’t dumb. They cannot afford to take a 10 million dollar cap hit this year. They will wait until after June so they can spread it out. Would hate to see Graham go because I think he can make the transition with another year at the same position, but I think if he doesn’t look good in OTA’s then the Eagles will probably become more aggressive in trading for Dion Jordan.

        • Dominik

          I would deal 2nd + Graham in a heartbeat. Then trade back from 22 and Chip can take two or three receivers, if you ask me.

          • GEAGLE

            Same!!

          • jt521

            Dolphins spent a first rounder (3rd overall pick) last year, why would they throw that away only getting a 2nd and a mediocre pass rusher in BG? They can’t be that low on him can they? And if so, shouldn’t we be worried? Someone explain…

          • Dominik

            We’d need to be worried, like other teams were worried about DJax. But not with Kelly as our HC. That’s the key piece to the puzzle.

          • jt521

            True. I think Kelly would be more effective coaching him than a Philbin type, especially with the Oregon connection. I’m just not sure why a team that traded up to get him at 3 would be willing to jettison him after one year. Jesus, even Project Aging Fireman stuck around here for years.

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            And they dolphins ended up taking him off our hands. Maybe this is payback?

          • Dominik

            The aging fireman stuck around for 3 months since the new regime took over. ;) Could be the same in Miami.

      • Scott J

        Because Miami doesn’t want to trade Jordan. At least not yet.

        • damrvrhunter

          I see what you are saying.

    • Bullwinkle

      The problem is that Jordon now has a record after 1 year in the NFL and his record is not that good with only 26 tackles and 2 sacks. By comparison, Graham in a very limited role had 19 tackles and 3 sacks. Some of Jordan’s luster has been tarnished by his mediocre performance. There now has to be some level of doubt regarding how good he will eventually become. Jordon is already 24 years old. Graham just turned 26.

      • Adam G

        But Graham has one more year under contract while Dion has 3 at a very cheap price, due to the dolphins picking up the tab for most of his contract with the signing bonus. Which is why I think the Dolphins will demand more than the Eagles will give up.

        • MaclinFan

          Is including Cash in a trade against NFL rules? Let’s try 2nd round pick + Graham + $5M

  • NickS1

    Don Banks gets it.

    • Richard Colton

      His mock drafts are consistently the best. 8.0 is the mock of record.

  • GEAGLE

    Kony Ealy and Especially Dee Ford won’t even be considered by the eagles…so I see no point in including them as options or possibilities…small chance we could like Kony. NO CHANCE of us liking Ford…Cossel yesterday called attaboy a much better pro 3-4OLB prospect than Ford…

    Doesn’t really matter when there is hope for DION! DION! Dion!! Lol

  • NickS1

    In an ideal situation, when pick #22 comes, I’m trying to trade down a few slots before I engage the Dolphins. If I can pick up an extra late second or 3rd rd pick, that’d be my play. Then, I’d try to hold out BG from the deal if at all possible. All they want is the pick, so I’d try to hold on to him to dangle in the 5th-7th rounds to try to get an extra pick. Just my thoughts on an ideal situation if we were still going to push for DJ come draft time.

  • cliff henny

    be nice if this turned into Sixers/Noel type deal. if certain players are available at #22 for Eagles, like Barr or Evans, then no need to trade. be really nice is OT fell that Miami would be drooling all over, maybe #22 and Graham get Jordan and 5th/6th.
    .
    if anything, least when Eagles talk to hopefully 9ers and maybe a team picking in top 10 that passed on qb, now Eags have built in negotiating tool, package to move back has to be better than alternative option that may or may not be in place with Miami. still not sure why Dolphins would give up on him so quickly and eat all that dead money.

    • GEAGLE

      I hear that, but I also question WTF are they going to do with Dion? You can’t give him Cameron Wakes snaps..and the emergence of the Shelby kid was like the best thing that happened to them last year..even if they want to use him at SAM, they are screwed..Wheeler got paid and then mailed it in and basically quit, yet he still got the snaps last year, and they didn’t have the balls to cut him this year….with what they are paying wheeler, doubt they send him to the bench…Misi is their best LB, he ain’t going to the bench and Ellerbe got paid to hold down the Mike position…..yes they would have to take a cap hit, but if you are going to do such a thing, you do it in the new GMs first year…they are practically rebuilding half that roster, and the GM is in the rare position to he able to trade a high pick of a year ago and blame it on his predecessor….BGs contract expiring isn’t going to attract many teams, but to a team that’s in year one of a new GM(rebuild) it may not be the worst thing to get a rookie who doesn’t fit contract off the books, for a guy who you can get off your books at the end of the year…if anyone trades for BG it will be a one year tryout…heck I’d gladly throw in Bryce or maybe Barbre to sweeten the pot for them…their running backs were pathetic, they signed sucky Knowshon to a one year deal…l

      Call me crazy, but I wouldn’t laugh at the Dolphins GM and call him a sucker if he trades away Dion…having the balls to admit a big mistake sooner than later and get some value back isn’t the worst thing in the world….

      Ideally we could trade BG,Bryce and #54 for Dion….I like the playes at 54 more than what will probably be available at #22, so trading away 22 is no big deal in my eyes, but I would ATleast try and keep 22 just to try and use it to trade back….Trade #54 for Dion…
      Trade into round two from 22 and get an extra 3rd…leaving us with:
      NO 1st
      One 2nd
      Two 3rds…

      And then I’d still try and trade the Niners a 2015 2nd round pick for the 77th pick in this draft…ending up with:
      Dion
      2nd
      3 3rds
      4th
      5th
      7th…

      Hopefully we can then use a 3rd to trade back into the 4th and get an extra 5th and 6th…

      • cliff henny

        #54, Graham, Brown, Carmichael, Matthews, Barbre and heck, toss in Nate Allen. that would be crazy great haul if Howie got all those picks plus Jordan. fun to think about, least it’s more options, and need to have options to work off when negotiating.

        • GEAGLE

          If Howie can get anyone to accept Mathews in a trade, he is the MAN!!

          • Dominik

            He’s not the MAN, he’s Houdini.

          • Andy124

            Send him to Green Bay to play with his brother in exchange for the last OLB on their roster.

          • damrvrhunter

            What are the “pack” getting in return?

          • Andy124

            A happier Clay.

          • damrvrhunter

            Bravo!

      • damrvrhunter

        That’s the thing about you “GEAGLE” there is no excluded middle with your analysis, par for the course as usual.

    • JosephR2225

      The Dolphins giving up question is a good one. You don’t want another Trent Richardson. It would concern me more if Chip wasn’t very familiar with Jordan; that makes me think he knows exactly what he is getting.
      Best guess is they just don’t have a place for him, and they don’t think he can excel as a DE. And if that’s not a good enough reason, just remember the Dolphins are completely dysfunctional.

      • cliff henny

        meant more why would Miami take the hit, when drafting guy knew he was raw and hurt, then played him out of position. guess as Johnny G said, in complete rebuild mode, 10m hit on cap is an issue they can work around. new management, new direction…happens all the time.

        • GEAGLE

          Think if you are a new GM for bad or average team, you would be wise to take a step backwards and try to rebuild the right way, Hinkie style…clear all your predessesors mistakes in the first year and then build it back up..

          • Warhound

            Get the bodies out of the row-homes now while you can blame it on Royce.

    • Richard Colton

      Pelicans got fleeced. I’m sure we all would be happy with that.

      • cliff henny

        now sitting uni-brow and Gordon…could end up 8th pick. if I was NBA GM and saw ‘215’ was calling me, seriously hesitate to pick it up.

  • JosephR2225

    “Brooks is something of a reach for the Eagles here, but they need a safety and Brooks brings good playmaking ability.”
    McShay… you have one job to do. How can you misunderstand the Eagles draft strategy this badly?

    • GEAGLE

      You are talking about someone who 3 months ago literally had Jernigan being a top 5 draft pick lol

    • cliff henny

      part that frustrates me is I use these guys for info on other 31 teams. if they are all this off on Eagles, safe to assume it’s same case for rest of the teams. not like his point on brooks takes hours and hours of digging, pretty much common knowledge for casual daily readers of b24/7.

      • Andy124

        Seriously. Bit of a mind-f*ck.

      • borntosuffer

        Yep. Some of these guys disqualify themselves immediately by so obviously not doing their homework.

      • Richard Colton

        Hard not to fall into that trap. Some teams are never big players in FA and figure out a way (year after year it seems) to align needs with BPA. But yeah – that’s why when I see a mock that has a second tier guy going before a stud, I immediately discount the mock.

        exception is QB – you need one, you take one. always.

        • Dominik

          Like when Chip had two chances to pick Geno and he didn’t pick him? That’s why he’s a good HC.

          • Richard Colton

            yeah. guess he didn’t feel like we needed one, or that Geno wasn’t the guy. maybe both.

            Here’s the thing with the NFL, if you don’t have a QB, you only have one need.

          • Dominik

            I think it’s the latter. Vick was never the future and I don’t think he was really sold on Foles. But he didn’t like what he saw in Geno, stayed calm because he didn’t believe in him. The patience payed off.

  • Philly0312

    I’m sorry, I don’t see it. OLB is not screaming at me. They at least have 3 decent OLBs. BG played very well during limited time last year; while we all know ProFootballFocus.com has its issues, BG was ranked 16 overall at OLB last year in limited snaps (Cole was ranked 7th). Barwin was solid on the opposite side. Not saying we do not need another OLB, but I am more concerned about our ILBs and depth at ILB than I am OLB. We were very weak in coverage last year down the center of the field; ILBs and Safeties were the issues in coverage that kept extending drives. Being able to run more dime this year, improved safeties (assumption), and another year of growth for kendricks should help us there, but we have little depth. We all agree we need help at OLB, but we got very good production out of the position in the second half of the season, especially when compared to other aspects of the defense.

    I’d rather BG got a chance this year to start over cole, and honestly, if he isn’t traded I think he will start. Cole is another year older this year, and Graham is a physical freak of nature in many ways.

    • Token

      How could you watch all of last season and not feel a rushing OLB is their biggest need? Not talking stats in vacuum. Just talking what you saw. Are you aware that Cole was really only effective in 3 games, in which he got 7 of his 8 sacks. Washington, Arizona and the Bears blowout(3 in this game).

      • Philly0312

        It was the first half of the season – it wasn’t the second half. We had 15 (9/5/3) sacks from the OLBs – most of which were from week 9 to 17. I’m not saying it isn’t a need. I’m saying it’s not a glaring need that needs to be fixed at the cost of a 1st rounder and BG to the dolphins for an unproven player.

        • Token

          Barwin isnt much of a pass rusher. His sacks, almost all of them, came when he was a unblocked rusher. So if you look at him as the answer you will be disappointed I think. Cole wasnt good last year as a pass rusher. In the majority of games he was completely shut out. You just cant have that. This is a two gap 3-4 scheme. The OLB is crucial. You gotta have a impact rusher at that spot.

          And I dont agree with the Miami idea either, its moronic. But that doesnt mean its not a huge need. You dont have a pass rush and it really doesnt matter much what else you are doing on defense. See the Dallas game where Kyle Orton was sitting back there making a sandwich and then throwing for 300 yards.

          • Philly0312

            I agree – Barwin isn’t a great pass rusher, but he is disruptive. He isn’t the answer for certain. He was great on the deflections, good against the run. Cole was the best OLB in the NFL last year according to PPF against the run. He was average as a pass rusher, and got most of his sacks against below average tackles. I fully agree with you that it is a position of need – and important. But I don’t see a solution in this draft that doesn’t mortgage some of the future.

          • http://hibernate.org/ Steve Ebersole

            Its not that he isn’t able to do it; he did it reasonably well in Houston. The problem is that he simply cannot do it in this defense because Cole is at best a liability in coverage 9 times out of ten (and I love Cole as one of my favorite Eagles). This is well. Eagles had Cole rush the passer more than 90% of the time last year. There is a great point made in the http://www.thechipwagon.com/eagles/2014/03/dissecting-dion-jordans-2013-season.html articles about disguise and keeping the offense off balance by not knowing which 4 are coming in a base pass rush. That element is simply not their last year for the Eagles. Opponents could pretty effectively guess that Cole was coming and be right more than 90% of the time (I’d like those odds).

      • Richard Colton

        Yeah. pass rush pass rush pass rush. I think that’s the key to the entire D getting better.

      • Dominik

        Agree. Tim spoke right out of my heart when he wrote:

        “When you look at the roster, outside linebacker is the position that screams at you.

        The Eagles have needs in several areas. They are thin at wide receiver after releasing DeSean Jackson. The hunt for an effective safety duo is ongoing. It’s essential that they build depth at cornerback, inside linebacker and along the offensive front. But outside linebacker is the spot that requires the most immediate attention.”

        That just nails it. And I’m pretty sure the only reason Howie hasn’t made a move in FA is that there weren’t any that would help in the long run.

        • Token

          Im just so damn curious to see how this shakes out in the first two rounds. They need a OLB so bad. WR youd think you can still get a nice on in the 2nd round.

          S I think they are done with. Maybe a late round guy. They just dont value the spot. It will always be a patch work position. Def could use another corner, but id wait til round 3 or later on that.

          I want to come away with a OLB and WR in the first two rounds. If I could somehow come out of this with Barr and Robinson that would be really good. But thats looking like a pipe dream.

      • Philly0312

        First and foremost, our pass rush was not horrible last year. We ranked 11th last year in pass rush DVOA by football outsiders. We regularly pressured the QB and forced quick throws – especially down the stretch, where we ranked top 5. Our pass coverage on the other hand was 25th. Sorry, if you guys think this trade solves the D’s problems I don’t see it. Sure, if we had a top 5 pass rush it would help, but our coverage is horrible. It’s not because they had 10 seconds to throw the football, it was because we had one ILB who just can’t cover, and another who has the talent to, but is often out of position. With poor safety play, our defense was on the field longer than it needed to be – which surely didn’t help the pass rush. In the end, Dion Jordan is unproven. I’d love to have him straight up for BG. I’d be okay with BG and a second, only because BG will likely leave after this season.

        • Token

          The rush was not good last year. A weighted number from Football Outsiders isnt gonna make them better on the field. It was a glaring weakness almost every week. If it wasnt a blitz the QB had all day back there. Im not gonna take up a case for the starting corners, but the lack of rush doesnt help you secondary.

          Their starting OLBs had a combined 13 sacks. In a 3-4 D. You wont get far with that.

          Especially when you factor in every break we had this year schedule wise. Some of the QBs we got to face because of injury. 13 is just a sad number.

          No matter how hard you look at PFO its not gonna change the reality of the situation. Even if you are a huge Cole fan and think hes primed for a 20 sack season at 33 years old, he has one more year here at most. I wouldnt be shocked if they June 1st cut him.

          • Philly0312

            Hey! I did say we all know the issues with PPF.com – I understand we can’t take them on face value. They are simply an indicator – so we are all on the same page there. I agree with the Saints we had issues. But the Tampa game was the most glaring to me with regard to a lack of pass rush…as were most of the first 8 games. You can’t argue it didn’t get much better as the year went along. But I think people are underrating how bad our ILBs cover. I understand ILB isn’t as important in a 3-4 as a 4-3, and that Demeco is a great guy and all – but our ILBs are horrible at coverage. 3-4 ILBs are easier to find than a OLB that will solve our pass rush issues. There is no surefire OLB solution – this trade might do it, but it might make us worse and cost us a pick. I think we are best focusing on the draft and hoping we see a gem in the rough that others dont see in round 2/3/4 (I’m guessing most OLBs that are supposed to be drafted in round 1 will be gone before #22). Cole very well might be cut on June 1. Wouldn’t surprise me with his salary next year, we all know this is his last season with the Eagles on this particular contract. I’d rather see what BG can do than do this trade.

        • aub32

          I have agree with token here. Our pass rush was most certainly a problem. Forget all the advance metrics for a second. Watch the games. Go look at the Bucs game and how we couldn’t bring down Glennon. Watch Brees have all day despite being protected by a PS LT. Our secondary needs improving, but there have been moves made in that area. Our safety position is seemingly better. CB depth has improved. Nothing has been done to improve the front 7.

  • cliff henny

    Kelce’s contract is looking really nice compared to whatever Cleve or Jax end up paying, or overpaying, Mack. 10m per yr for a center? crazy. does just seem to be endless supply of bad GMs.

    • oreofestar

      I like the jags though want them to do well so Gus can get respect he is a great coach…but yeah we locked up Kelce for about 2mil a year less than Mack

      • Adam G

        Plus he’s 2 years younger, although doesn’t have the accolades. Now there are rumors that Cleveland won’t match. That franchise seemed to be turning it around with a decent off season, but if they don’t match I don’t get what they were doing by not franchising him in the first place.

        • oreofestar

          Yeah I think Kelce is about as good as Mack but you know our man Jason would give us a nice deal

        • cliff henny

          i’m lost on what both sides are doing. just shows when someone asks ‘why would x team do that?’…a legit answer is always ’cause they are desperate and have a dumb GM’, with a few exceptions of course, like Balt,SF, GB

          • GEAGLE

            Cleveland won’t match…jags did what they had to do to pry him away. Cleveland can’t franchise him because anyone with a clue knows they can’t pay a center the average of the top 5 highest paid Left Tackles in the NFL…

            I usually find myself laughing at both franchises but I really can’t blame either for this…jags had to offer him what they did to pry him away(a legal poison pill sort of dynamic if you will)..and Browns are having the discipline not drastically overpay…..don’t view either side as being dumb in this, just so happens that Howie and Kelce are making them look dumb

          • Adam G

            Again, showing your lack of knowledge. The franchise tag for Mack would’ve been 11.6, the transition is 10 mil.

    • dnabrice

      They got lucky that Kelce didn’t push for money. He went in there, they offered, he said that sounds like a good amount that I can live on for the rest of my life, and signed on the dotted line.

      • damrvrhunter

        Sure feels that way to me too.

  • Richard Colton

    Anyone interested in a 2015 1st round pick for Dion Jordan?

    • Andy124

      Can I find out who we get in this draft first?

      • Richard Colton

        Nope. Take it or leave it. Kevin Costner is on the phone. He needs an answer. So much drama…

        • cliff henny

          previews look so bad, and annoying.

          • Dominik

            Agree. But still want to watch it. ;)

        • Andy124

          I’ll take it. It’s only the 32nd pick in the draft anyway.

    • Philly0312

      Not I. I’d give a 1st rounder for Aldon Smith! But not for a guy who has yet to do anything. Not saying he can’t, and I hate the idea of this trade, but Chip knows him best, so I will have to trust the Eagles if they do it.

      • Andy124

        For the record, every first round pick that doesn’t get traded is spent on “a guy who has yet to do anything”. Just sayin’

        • Token

          Picking a unknown bum is better than trading for a known bum. Right?

          • aub32

            A bum after one season though? That’s a bit negative even for you.

          • Token

            Maybe strong wording. But ive seen him in college too. Not seeing any change. I think he ends up being a SAM LB in a 4-3 scheme in the NFL. Thats his spot. Not rushing the passer in a 3-4. Just too soft of a player for the role everyone wants him to play.

      • aub32

        ??? Please explain to me why using a 1st round pick on Barr (a guy who has done nothing in the NFL) is any different from using the pick on Jordan. Jordan was injured and playing in a scheme that doesn’t suit his talents.

        • Token

          Unknown vs known. Simple. Enough with the scheme excuse. Why do people think he cant be a DE in a 4-3? If he can rush the passer he can do it from the end spot. He could be a good SAM backer, atleast they could get use out of him there. This idea that a player would be a totally different pass rusher if hes coming from the OLB spot rather than the DE spot doesnt make sense.

          • Andy124

            Yes. Yes it does.

          • aub32

            So Graham, who can rush the passer as a 4-3 DE but too slow to get to the QB from a 34 OLB spot, is better fit for a 4-3. Yet you are saying there aren’t players who are the opposite and can be much better coming from the OLB spot than as a 43 DE? That just doesn’t make much sense.

    • Token

      Dont make me puke

      • Richard Colton

        Ladies and Gentlemen, the real Token is back!

        • Token

          Dion Jordan talk gets me fired up. Besides size what does anyone see in his actual play? It blows my mind! I thought we dodged this bullet once and for all last year, now its all coming back like a nightmare.

          • aub32

            speed and the ability to cover.

          • Token

            Lets say thats right and maybe hes the best cover OLB to ever play the game. Who cares? That means hed be a damn good SAM LB in a 4-3. Not a OLB in a 3-4. Your stud rusher in a 3-4 should only be dropping 10% of the time. Its not even a factor.

            Also what games should I look at to see this great coverage? What games stuck out to you personally that made you a fan of his play?

          • aub32

            With the way the NFL seems to be headed I don’t know if I dismiss a great cover OLB so quickly. I don’t thinks void of rushing skill, but what is a guy who could shut down Jimmy Graham (not saying Jordan is that guy) worth. I think finding a guy who is a good but not great pass rusher while having the ability to neutralize the best TEs in the game is worth a 1st round pick. Think of how the Saints game may have turned out if we didn’t have to triple team Graham.

          • Token

            You neutralize those guys by getting to the passer. If Barwin and another guy who cant get to the passer are the starters it would be a really long season. You gotta hope you have one ILB that can cover a bit and having good safety play helps. You cant pick a OLB in a 3-4 based on his coverage ability. They should be dropping such a small amount of snaps that it doesnt even matter how great they are at coverage.

          • Andy124

            So now he’s a cornerback? :)

          • Richard Colton

            Don’t think you have anything to worry about. I can’t see the Dolphins cutting bait after one season.

  • Brian
  • aub32

    What about Graham and pick no. 22 for Jordan and a 3rd or 4th.

  • Tom w

    Need the first round pick to trade back and gather a third and a fifth and grab our corner of the future and another weapon on offense. Miami would be insane literally moronic to do this deal this year and eat 14 mil in dead money. Maybe after the draft after June 1st for graham and second rounder next year so they can split the dead money hit …. But we need to know before the draft so we don’t blow a second rounder on attaboy or Marcus smith

  • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

    Dion vs. Stanford 2012. …..tell me when you get excited. Tell me if #54 gives him his lunch back.
    p.s. ZErtz with a clutch TD late
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JMoel8E3HaE

    • Token

      You can do this with damn near any Jordan game. The excitement over him comes from his size and combine numbers.

  • GEAGLE

    BG, #54 and a 2015 5th round pick for Dion Jordan

    Trade 22 Alll the way down to 38 and get the 72nd pick in the draft leaving us with:
    38
    72
    86

    Trade 2015 2nd round pick to the Niners for the 77th pick in the draft:
    Dion Jordan ROLB
    #38) Kyle Van Noy LOLB/ILB
    #72) Austin Sefarian Jenkins TE
    #77) Donte Moncreif WR
    #86 trade down to 106 and add a 5th(#146) and a 6th(#183)
    #106: Brent Urban DE
    #122: Dontea Johnson Safety
    #146 Antone Exum CB
    #162 Deandre Coleman NT
    #183 Jeff Janis WR
    7th OT Hopkins

    We would have to trade back from round 1 in 2015 to get an extra 3rd since we traded away 2015 2nd…

    • aub32

      so we are just throwing reality out the window this Friday huh

      • GEAGLE

        Why? Every trade was done using the value chart…and every player I drafted was on the board according to Walterfootballs 5 round mock…not my reality, I just worked the hell out of someone else’s reality….what’s far fetched? I took KVN earlier than I needed to…Drafted Austin Jenkins, 72 who was mocked to Niners at 77…every pick coincides with someone else’s reality…drafted Urban like 15 spots earlier then I needed to…Dontea Johnson was mocked to us at 122. Aquired 146, and took Exum who Walter mocked to Seattle at 146…drafted Coleman 5 spots earlier than Walter mocked him….so which pick was so far fetched that you felt the need to act like a bitch for no reason?

        • aub32

          You lost me at trading the 2015 2nd round pick. I get your value is fair but no way I can see them pull that trigger.

          • GEAGLE

            the eagles wouldn’t trade next years two(which could be a really late 2nd rounder) for a mid 3rd this year when we only have 6 picks and might have to trade one away for Dion , to the Niners who have too many picks and not enough roster spots? You think the Niners wouldn’t LOVE to convert one of their 27 picks to a higher round pick next year? That’s sooooo far fetched to you. GTFO here…tuck your tail and run along, find a real reason to talk shit next time. It actually happening is the longest of long shots….but not at all unrealistic that you should be talking shit to me over

          • aub32

            someone is cranky this morning. the trade won’t happen. you know it. I know it. If trading in the draft was just a matter of looking at the value chart then the entire draft would be full of moves. Calm down dude.

          • GEAGLE

            What do you mean the trade won’t happen, Who the hell knows what’s going to happen? That scenario won’t happen, but the 15 draft projections each person makes every day will happen? We are talking about something so damn unpredictable where getting 5 picks right in each round is a good job….99% of what we all talk about each day won’t happen,,..so unless I made a trade without giving up realistic compensation! or mocked a guy two rounds later then I should have, then you have no reason to respond that way, other then being a bitch for the sake of being a bitch

          • aub32

            ok goodbye. I don’t have time for children who think they are adults because they can use curse words. Please try again when you have the mental capacity to string together sentences without having to limit yourself to such base language.

          • GEAGLE

            I’m not the one with the inferiority complex that needs to flatter me,talkin crap to me for no reason, and then get owned…treat everyone the way they treat me…act like a bitch, and I’ll bend you over like one…it’s not rocket science…I mind my business, you talk ish for no reason, don’t get mad when I’m better at it than you….you could have easily disagreed in a respectful matter and we could have debated the issue. Instead you chose to act like a confrontational Biatch..so I’ll treat you as such

          • aub32

            “You started it” “No, you started it” That’s my point exactly. You are a child. I made a football point. You and I disagree. That’s fine. I couldn’t care less. Yet rather than be an adult, make your point, and then move on you curse and whine like a pre teen in need of a spanking. If you are so sensitive about someone disagreeing with you on a point that has so little to do with things that actually matter, I have no idea how you make it through life. This is my last message to you until you can approach me like an adult. I don’t have time to raise children on the internet. Have a good day guy.

      • cliff henny

        this isn’t that bad, have you seen some of Will’s mocks? don’t have 1st rd picks for rest of decade.

        • aub32

          I stopped even looking at those. This one is more realistic, but I can “take it to the bank” that it won’t happen.

          • cliff henny

            teams don’t move around all that much. we wheel and deal more than reallife GMs. wouldn’t say any of the moves are unrealistic, would say volume of moves is.

          • aub32

            Which is why I said he is being unrealistic. He’s not unrealistic in the sense that Evans will drop to 22 and Barr to 54. However, he is still being unrealistic since there’s no way we make all these moves even if the value is fair.

          • GEAGLE

            patriots haven’t made this many moves in a draft before? If Howie didn’t have less picks in a deep draft than he has had in YEARS. I would agree…but in THIS dRAFT, while our coach still knows all the players in college, only having 6 picks and talking about trading one away for Dion…you can bet your ass Howie is trading back as many times as the other teams let him

          • aub32

            Who said we wouldn’t trade back? I did not take any issue with trading back. Plenty of fans have 2-5 players that they want in the 1st and would prefer the team trade back otherwise. Also, when did we become the Pats?

          • cliff henny

            I could see 1 big trade with SF, they need to trim off picks, sure Eags want more. have Gamble, so maybe 2 teams have good working relationship. problem with 3 or 4 trades is time and finding that many teams that we trust and they trust eagles back. bet Howie rolls his eyes when talking to 20+ GMS, thinking they are tirekickers or get scared at closing time of deals. why see philly doing business w/ same teams over and over.

        • Will

          Hey if you can climb to the 6th overall spot that’s what it takes 2015 & 2016 1st RD picks…or stay at #22 and trade back and pick after 45 player’s are off the board…

    • GEAGLE

      Front 7 would be SET!!!!

      ……….Thornton/Urban….Logan/Coleman……Cox/curry/Kruger
      Barwin/KVN………Kendrick/Goode……Meco/Phillips,,,,,.,,Cole/Dion

  • Adam G

    I wonder if a swap of picks would work, like Eagles give up 1st rounder plus BG for Dion and the Dolphins 2nd.

    • GEAGLE

      Hahahah don’t you talk shit to me 5 times a day about how this is too unrealistic to talk about? hahahahahah what a clown. Welcome to the minimalize list

      • Adam G

        OH NOOOO! The minimize list! What shall I do?!?

        • GEAGLE

          Hahahahaha that’s how you answer? You know you just played yourself so tuck your tail, regroup and come try agains another day. Hi hater!!! Muah!!!

          • Adam G

            I don’t know what you are saying bc I just MINIMIZED YOU.

        • aub32

          Aww man you better apologize quick.

          • Adam G

            Maybe I should, because if I make the minimize list I really don’t know if I will be able to sleep at night. Just have nightmares all night of Geagle minimizing my comments left and right.

          • aub32

            I know the feeling man. He threatened to put me on the minimize list once. I couldn’t eat or sleep until he finally replied to one of my posts, and I knew I wasn’t on the minimize list. P.S. he replied to you after putting you on the minimize list. So I don’t think you’re really on the minimize list.

          • GEAGLE

            No threat just the Curtosy of giving you the heads up to not respond to my every post and hang on to my every word, because I won’t know about it…just trying to look out and save you sometime…I can’t throw any of your opinions back in your face, because you are insignificant to me, I don’t respect you, so how the hell can I remember what you ever said? Conversly, you WILL READ MY EVERY WORD, and care enough to be able to recall my opinion on everything…flattering …did i just say something that’s not true? Lol

      • oreofestar

        he stole my trade idea :P

  • B

    I would draft rather WR Brandon Cooks and take OLB Jerriah Attachu in the 2nd round.

    • shady25

      That would work too. Or CB first then Attachou if he falls that far. I would really like for them trade back in the early 2nd round and acquire another pick. Whoever doesn’t take a QB in the top 10 might want to jump back in the bottom of the first round to get their QB and I would love to see the Eagles trade back for a top 10 2nd rd pick and possibly another 4th or 5th rd pick. Then take Attachou with the first 2nd rd pick and a WR or CB with the original 2nd rd pick. That would be sweet if we can pull that off.

  • Will

    Your Picks:

    Round 1 Pick 9 (BUF): Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M (A)
    Round 1 Pick 22: Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State (A)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 4 (NYJ): Daniel McCullers, DT, Tennessee (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 17 (CHI): Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Craig Loston, SS, LSU (A)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 15 (CHI): Deandre Coleman, DT, California (C-)
    Round 7 Pick 22: L’Damian Washington, WR, Missouri (C)

    • oreofestar

      Is Loston really supposed to go that high I THOUGHT HE WAS MORE OF A 5/6 ROUND GUY

      • Will

        I see him as the 4th best Safety in this draft behind HaHa, Calvin and Deone so depending how fast those 3 come off will determine when he goes…

        • oreofestar

          I like Ward, and Johnson more but okay..thanks just curious

  • cliff henny

    The Navajo Nation Council formally has opposed the use of the Washington Redskins name. Good, Snyder should be forced to change name, especially after digging up his latest supporter and guy wasn’t even real. then he makes huge production about charity, which ended up being about 25k, which is lost couch money to that bag of dicks. but biggest reason for me is spite of ‘skins fans.

    • oreofestar

      ….well what the hell are they gonna change there name too

      • Will

        Washington Deadskins is my vote…lol..

        • George

          foreskins??? lol

      • cliff henny

        don’t care. good start would not being racial slur. or, own it, change it to Washington crackers. that would be awesome.

        • oreofestar

          I was gonna make a joke, better judgement says no

        • damrvrhunter

          Funny funny man. Lolz.

      • Richard Colton

        Not a huge fan of political correctness. They want to keep that name, they should be allowed to.

        However – playing off the Pentagon & Wounded Warrior thing, here’s my favorite rebranding suggestion:

    • Chris

      Snyder will find a way to make money off this of course. You know the fans will clamor to buy all the new gear after that first wave of butthurt fans go away. I heard the washington warriors as a reasonable replacement

      • cliff henny


        .
        awesome, this would be nice and annoying to them
        .
        yeah, just another in a long list of nfl and its owner going for money grab. 18 game schedule will really bother me. would make Sept almost worthless.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          “I’m gonna shove that bat up yer @$$ and turn you into a popsicle.” Best line ever!!… One of my favs all time. Have the special addition release on DVD.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      My original post must’ve been a bit too harsh as it’s awaiting approval. So when it does come through, it has been edited to be more family friendly.

      • Andy124

        i had a pretty innocent post flagged for approval in this thread. It’s was funny too. Trying to make Token puke. :)

        • Richard Colton

          Intern is sensitive today

          • Andy124

            Maybe any post with Vick’s name automatically gets flagged…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Ehh, I dunno. I did originally call Snyder a Richard and also a major teenager intimate moment… lol.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But I did also meet Snyder when I worked for DTV and was at his home for a service call with my tech, so I think it’s informed name calling.

  • JofreyRice

    Dee Ford’s a better passrusher, but Jordan obviously gives you better physical dimensions and versatility. I think I’d still prefer Ford for this defense, in particular, but they ain’t asking me.

    • oreofestar

      I really don’t like Ford I would not even dare take him over Dion

      • JofreyRice

        really? What specifically about his game don’t you like? Extremely well put together frame–yeah, a little short, OK–but very athletic, strong, flexible around the edge, productive in the SEC, dominant at Senior Bowl. I mean, projecting passrushers to the pros is notoriously difficult, but he’s got all the traits to succeed, IMO. If his run defense and coverage were on par with his passrush, I think he’d be ahead of Khalil Mack.

        • oreofestar

          Run defense, he is that prototypical short high motor Reid era player, he played pretty much exclusively at LE playing against college right tackles and really as a whole not a player I have interest in I would take Ealy over him in a heartbeat Do not even get me started on Dion who I like about as much as Barr maybe a tiny bit less

          • oreofestar

            also must of his numbers came in clusters not a very consistent player

          • JofreyRice

            Personally, I think the scrambling right handers in the SEC was part of the reason Ford played on that left side so often–he did play RE, though. And he certainly didn’t have any problems on the right side against the top Senior tackles in the nation in the Senior Bowl. Gus Bradley thought Ford was the best pure rusher, and that’s why he tabbed him to play the Predator for the South D. Even in that game, they had him flipping sides, though–ate Brandon Thomas, Zack Martin and Seantrel Henderson’s lunch by the end of the first quarter.

            Run defense is important, but Ford’s get-off at the snap is pretty special, IMO. The last guy that really struck me as that “shot out of a cannon” look was Robert Quinn, and Ford has the athletic testing data to back it up.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I think Marcus Smith is a better OLB prospect than Ford. I have to agree with Oreo on the concerns I have with Ford. He compares favorably to a younger Cole, which is what we are trying to move away from. Short, stout, high motor. If I’m taking a project, it needs to one that’s gonna fit what we want to do. Which I think is be longer at the OLB position. I don’t think he’s a bad player. I just don’t think he’s a fit here and would be better served in a 4-3 RDE role, where he can play on 3rd down & sub packages as a PRS until he learns to play the run.

      • JofreyRice

        yeah, totally disagree. Trent Cole was never the athlete Ford is, not even close, IMO. I understand people hated the fastballz under Reid, I did myself, but 1) Ford wouldn’t be playing DE, and sliding inside to DT, like the asinine way Sean McDoormat used Brandon Graham, as a rookie and 2) He’s about 3/4″ shorter than Mack, who no one regards as “short”.

        Ford is a project in the sense that he he has some things he needs to improve upon, sure, but he’s a great athletic talent that has shown he can rush the passer against top competition.

        • Andy124

          Human nature, we’ve drawn an imaginary line. 6’2″ is too short, anything above that is fine. Eagles have contributed to that with their statements about Chip providing certain measurables by position for Howie to look for, and I think it’s pretty safe to assume that 6’2″ is below whatever measurable Chip would have provided for OLB.

          • GEAGLE

            We may compromise on height, but if we do draft someone shorter than we would like, I’d bet he has really long arms…Marcus Smith!!! And I think Chip will like how he sees the game thru QB eyes, just like Lane did. Think he will like that he moved from QB to defense because he loves this game!! Where as you got fools like TEBOW who don’t even have a career because they weren’t willing to Not be a QB….really thinking it’s Marcus or Attachou…possibly Murphy….watched my boy Demarcus Lawrence all week! and I no longer think he is an option for us…

          • Andy124

            I think Tebow would be a bad ass H-Back or even full back.

            And yes, I agree that he’ll bend on those measurables when other factors come in to play, arm length being a good one. I think that’s a given. I was just trying to offer the ‘human nature’ explanation as to why many are writing off Ford.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            It’s a combination of things for me. But yes, height is one of them. I’m not entirely sold on him being different than what have, just younger. I don’t think he’s as good an OLB prospect as Smith, and they are very close in size. Ford as DE prospect in 4-3, yes. OLB in 3-4, not sold & think you can get better value and a much more rounded player in Smith and he’s only been playing defense for a couple of years.

          • JofreyRice

            Agreed.

          • GEAGLE

            Most likely, Chip will have to compromise on measurables…he wants an OLB who is 6’6, freak long arms, strength to set the edge, agility to drop into coverage…problem is, in this draft the ONLY 6’6 OLBs are Trent Murphh and bum ass Hubard….
            ..
            A sleeper to fill that role for us, is 6’7 DE Will Clarke…we can compromise in one area, maybe two…but who we draft will have to fit more of our criteria than not…

            Think Marcus had everything, except the 6’6 height..6’3-6’4 isn’t that drastic of a compromise…and he has the arm length to make it up

        • GEAGLE

          Ford won’t be the pick…it’s important that our OLB can stick his hand in the dirt when we transition to 4 man lines…it’s also going to be important that our ROLB is good at stunting and twisting which is a big part of our defense and something we do often when we are in a 4 man line…both Marcus and Attaboy are ahead of him in those aspects..both will be able to set the edge faster than Ford will….Marcus has them long as arms that’s really important to Chip, both him and attaboy can easily play in our 4man il me fronts, stunt inside while Billy Calls those double A gap blitzes….
          ….
          I would be pretty damn surprised if we drafted Ford…I just can’t see it….but we will see, Just the fact that he thinks we are soooo Inteested, makes me think we aren’t

          • JofreyRice

            Considering he played End in college, I think he could put his hand in the dirt. Agreed that they are probably looking for someone taller and longer, and will pass. I’m just hoping they aren’t becoming “size queens”, and disregarding guys that could help the club. I don’t think Ford’s senior bowl performance should be held against him, as if it was some tiny sample size of good play–he played really well all year, in a tough conference, and put up mint athletic numbers to cap it off.

            I’ll have to study Marcus Smith more, I’m not as familiar with him. I watched Attaochu and came away thinking he looked more like a 2nd/3rd rounder. Just doesn’t have that one thing you can hang your hat on as “special” the way I view Dee Ford’s get-off at the snap. And as far as flexibility, I think he’s actually a little stiff. IMO, if they really are looking to improve passrush immediately, Ford is the guy you want.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            If you’re going to look at Smith, make sure to check out this past Sugar Bowl and keep a keen eye out for #91, as hell be lined up everywhere (DE, DT, OLB, ILB). YouTube has the Sugar Bowl in its entirety. There are other games online as well of course. Highlight reels will show him when he first transitioned over to defense and played 9 games exclusively at OLB, where he also weighed a little less but you could see he gets into backfield with authority even so new to that side of ball. In Sugar Bowl you can see that he’s a bit heavier but also stronger as he can move double teams and even get through them at DT, but can still rush outside with authority and quickness.

          • GEAGLE

            Think he is perfect for our multiple front defense, switching back and fourth from 3 to 4 man lines, stunting, twisting, dropping into coverage…setting the edge, playing the run….kid improves so much from one year to the next, that I believe by the beginning of 2015 he will be ready to Be a 3down OLB which allows us to cut Cole…where as I worry that we cut Cole and Dee isn’t ready to play the run next year….I also hate how often he lined up on the left side…

          • GEAGLE

            When you watch Marcus,,,you can watch this past season where he blew up an had a monster year, but I think it’s important to see how much he was improving from one year to the next one, after only playing defense for the past few years….his play this year will appeal to us, but IMO the more appealing part is the Giant improvements he has been making from one year to the next….Ford is a good player who i liked all year, so of course there are scenarios where I would be happy to get him…but I just can’t get on board with him at 22…I’d rather move Curry to OLB, before we spend 22 on Ford…now if we get to 54 and Marcus and Dee are both Gone, which is probably unlikely, see how quickly I change my tune and start praying for us to draft Dee Ford…but you can’t expect me to think he is a good pick at 22, when I think there are a few guys we fan get in round two, possibly 3 who I think will be better NFL players in our scheme..but it’s not like Dee is some talentless scrub, so I can see why he would appeal to people…I’m just really turned off by the #22 talk…agree to disagree

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I’m not even talking about athleticism. That’s a word that wasn’t the fancy when Trent came out 10yrs ago. But Trent was actually pegged as being so from an old scouting report I was able to dig up a little while back. In fact that scouting report sounded much like Ford, minus the fact that Cole was a skinny kid at Cinci. But it’s not when Trent was at Cinch that reminded me of Ford, but rather after he started putting on weight in his first couple years here, where he was learning to play the run and still continuing to add weight.

          We can agree to disagree. I just don’t think he’s a fit for what ‘I think’ we’re looking for at the ROLB spot.

          • JofreyRice

            fair enough.

      • GEAGLE

        Both Ford and Attaboy are better prospects than Ford…Cossell yesterday said he thinks attaboy is a better 3-4OLB prospect than Ford….don’t think Ford will appeal to us at all!
        ..
        Doesn’t have the size and length Chip wants
        can’t set the edge/play the run, may need two years before he is able to

        Probably worse than Marcus and Attaboy projecting to drop into coverage…
        ….
        What’s weird is I was high on Ford all year, yet he was under the radar…then he blows up at the senior bowl,everyone starts to like this kid, and I am turned off by him now…

        • oreofestar

          “both Ford and Attaboy are better prospects than Ford” yep Ford sucks but Ford is a beast :P

          • GEAGLE

            I actually like Ford and spoke highly of him all year….he blew up at the senior bowl, and IMO he is now being overrated, which turns me off…I also think there are guys who can be had later, who we will actually like more than ford for what we run…
            ..
            We can agree to disagree, but I’d be really really surprised to see us call his name at 22

        • Andy124

          Both Ford and Attaboy are better prospects than Ford

          Not sure that’s possible. :)

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Well if you go by sheer numbers, both Ford & Attaochu are better than just Ford?…

          • Andy124

            That is excellent.

          • damrvrhunter

            Lol. Behave boys .

  • oreofestar

    When the hell will Jabari decalre we are guaranteed a top 5 pick so if Jabari and Randle come out then even in the worst case scanario we are guaranteed one of WIGGINS!!!!Exum, Parker, Randle, Embiid

    • cliff henny

      and 8th maybe w/ NO in freefall, pushes Vonlah or Gordon on spot closer.

      • oreofestar

        no barring the unthinkable and the Pelicans getting a top 3 pick which even if they lose out is only a 6.1% chance the Pelicans pick will be between 9 and 12

        • cliff henny

          unibrow and Gordon are shutdown. if Smart can slide into 5th-7th range. yup, just looked, 9th looks like where NO will fall.

          • GEAGLE

            Smart really really screwed himself…dude would have been hands down the #1 pick last year, he stayed in school and now he will be lucky to get drafted in 7-10 range…..

            Also, don’t sleep on the Pt guard from Syracuse…he is a good enough prospect to where a team that really needs a point guard could take him in the 6-8 range, pushing a play down to us

          • oreofestar

            Ennis is going in the top 10 I can say that pretty comfortably my thought is what could we get for Young I like him I am not sure if they would trade him but if they would and we could use him to go upfrom 9 that would be good maybe get Smart or Vonleh

          • cliff henny

            wiggins and Gordon, with noel and MCW, would be a blast on defense. like 26 feet tall with 30 foot wingspans. trade thad for a 5th long lanky guy, why I wanted kidd-gilcrest so badly, neverbe able to pass thru all those limbs

          • GEAGLE

            Jamari Grant…long! athletic defender/rebounder

          • oreofestar

            Also I was talking to one of my casual sports fan friends who said we should get Napier with our lottery pick smh….the media just hypnotizes these people

    • GEAGLE

      Who knows what he will do…him coming out this year was always the biggest question mark even before he got to Duke…some worried that he would go on a Mormon mission between college and the NBA…I haven’t heard any rumors about his Mormon mission since he got to Duke, but I wouldn’t be THAT surprised if he stayed in Duke, even if I think it would be a dumb decision on his part…don’t get me started on this NBA draft lol, just like the NFL draft, I feel like we don’t have enough picks…makes me sick to my stomach that multiple teams have four 1st round picks….I’m hatin!!!
      ..
      Wish we could get a 3rd first round pick between 9-13, because I really really want to add McBuckets!!! Think MCW will develop into a pt guard that drives and gets into the lane at will having McBuckets for MCW to kick it out to would be awesome

      • Adam G

        Who has 4 picks in 1st round?

        • cliff henny

          suns and charlotte I think, is 2 teams. Denver will have 2lottery picks also

          • Adam G

            Those teams don’t have 4 first rounders? Do they? I don’t think any team has 4 first rounders.

          • oreofestar

            The suns have but they are pretty much all littered across the second half of the first I would rather have lets say 3 ad 10 then 17,21 and 26

          • cliff henny

            yup. 2 do, 95% sure on suns, 50% on cats

          • Adam G

            I could be wrong but the Suns only have 3. That wolves pick is protected and right now it would revert back to the wolves. And the cats’ pistons pick is protected as well.

          • oreofestar

            no you are correct

          • Adam G

            And what are the sixers going to do with 5 2nd rounders?

          • oreofestar

            draft player lol IDK maybe you try and use them to trade up

          • cliff henny

            euro-stash. see using early 2nd and thad to move into 20-25 range.

          • Adam G

            IDK why they would do that. Thad seems to be a player that could be a valuable piece.

          • cliff henny

            even if sixers land wiggins and Gordon, still 3 yrs away. want thad out of philly for himself.

          • Richard Colton

            never liked Thad’s game or his jumpshot. I’d love to come out of this draft with a star wing player (wiggins/parker?) and a legit power forward. Wouldn’t mind Smart either – he’s the most physical off guard I’ve seen in years. Our backcourt with he and MCW would be huge (yeah – his shooting is a problem).

          • Adam G

            As long as a player has commitment his shot will improve in the NBA.

          • NickS1

            I really don’t get the Wiggins love. And it’s not just because I’m a huge Duke fan. He just really doesn’t seem to care half the time. He’s a top 5 talent, but I hate trying to project guys that have all the raw ability but show little desire. If Parker comes out, that’s the guy you have to take. And while I know this might not be a popular opinion, I like Cleathony Early a ton. I kinda prefer him over Wiggins, especially from a value perspective. If they come of out of the first round knowing they are lining up MCW, Early, and Wiggins as your 1,2,3 with Noel at 4, that’s a good start to this rebuild.

          • Andy124

            I read a pretty convincing article explaining why the 6ers view Noel as a pure 5 in today’s game. I think it had at least something to do with the preponderance of 4s with strong outside games that could take him away from the basket where he is most useful.

          • NickS1

            Isn’t he only like 6’9″ though?

          • Andy124

            listed at 6’11” (which means he’s 6’10”) but wing span of a much taller man.

            The weight and strength would be more of a concern than the height, and I’m not too concerned with that either. Not a lot of Shaq’s playing these days, and he’s not exactly Shawn Bradley.

          • NickS1

            Okay. 6’10” is still on the shorter end, for my preferences at least. Weight and strength is definitely a concern.

          • damrvrhunter

            Kudos on putting Bradley on the other side of the spectrum, had forgotten all about him.

          • cliff henny

            ok, my bad. sure it’s easy search.

      • cliff henny

        you are nutz on mcbuckets, he is going to get overwhelmed in nba, and will be such a liability on defense.

        • GEAGLE

          I do not view him as Adam Morrison…think he will be a better Kyle Korver…I’m expecting us to be so athletic with MCW and wiggins getting to the Rim at will, that it’s going to be important to have a sniper on the floor to kick it out to…..I also expect to be so long and Athletic on defense where we can get away with a sniper who isn’t a great defender….or we can just compromise and draft Stauskas…Kid can stroke it from deep(that’s what she said lol), while is also athletic gritty defender who likes to take it to the hole…heck I’d take Saric! Dekker if we can trade back into the end of round 1…just need someone who can really stroke it, that player will be good for MCW and Wiggins development…
          ….
          Is it true that Wiggins said he wanted to be a sixer?

          • oreofestar

            No Geagle I am sorry I made that up :) I was just dreaming

          • GEAGLE

            Ugh!!! Hate you…I been meaning to ask about that, but I kept forgetting….JERK!! :)

          • oreofestar

            DAMN!!! I am sorry lol I didn’t know took it seriously he should say it though and make sure that teams know if he does not get drafted by the Sixers he is holding out

          • GEAGLE

            No worries,,,I know the sixers aren’t the sexiest destination right now, but I doubt anyone would prefer to go play for the Bucks

          • oreofestar

            yeah at the least there is some players here you can build around why would anyone want to go a small market team with zero talent and the Greek Freak is so overrated to

          • cliff henny

            read an advance metrics article on him, would think if Hinkie read it, McDermott wont even be mentioned. it was really ugly

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t see how Korver can carve out a decent career for himself but not McDermott? Korver is basically just a spot up shooting sniper…Doug is every bit the spot up sniper Korver is, but unlike Korver, he has tons of other ways to score, whether it’s step back bombs, fade aways….don’t see what Korver, Steve Novak had that allowed them to work in the NBA! that McBuckets doesn’t have….plus just think of all the fun nicknames? McBucket, “teach me how to dougie” McDermott lol

          • Andy124

            Teach me how to dougie lol.

            Would love Wiggins just for the name. Call him Ender (nickname of the eponymous character Andrew Wiggin from the best book ever: Ender’s Game).

            What happens if N.O. ends up with a protected pick? What do we get then?

          • oreofestar

            this year….nothing the chances of NO getting that pick is slim but there is a chance their best chance is getting 9 which would give them a 6.1% chance of getting the pick back from us so at worst there is 94% chance we get chance of that pick and if they win a game or too and end up 10 or 11 the chances cut in more than half

          • Andy124

            So what, we get their 1st rounder next year?

          • GEAGLE

            I believe we would then play this game again with them next year, but if they pick in top 5 again next year, we don’t get their pick…I believe if they get lucky and pick in the top 5 these next two years, then we get NOTHING…is that right or did I make that up? Lol

          • oreofestar

            You are right…ish it is true that we would be in the same spot next year but if they got another top 5 pick next year we either do the dance one more time or do nothing eventually if they continue to get a top 5 pick we geet nothing

          • Adam G

            No, its only top 5 protected until 2019, then becomes 2019 and 2020 2nd rounder.

          • oreofestar

            yeah I knew that I just did not know what year it became a second which is nothing :P well

          • Andy124

            Ok, so long as we get antoher crack at a top pick and not be shafted in to their second rounder this year.

          • oreofestar

            Well yes you have to at leas worry about that possibility but that is very unlikely they have at best a 6% shot so I will be optimistic and assume they do not get a top 3 pick

          • Andy124

            Yeah, not worrying, just wanted to know in theory what the deal was. Been curious about that since the trade was announced.

          • GEAGLE

            I they get a top 3 pick. And we get pushed to like 5…I’ll cry! Didn’t suffer thru This hell season only to end up with the 5th pick…now deliver #1 or 2 AND #9 then it will make this miserable, season worth while…
            ……

          • oreofestar

            yeah there is 6% chance they get the lottery and a 12% chance we get stuck with 5 only a 1.8% chance of the worst case scenario of us only getting 5 with no Pels pick but problem is we have a high chance of getting stuck in 4th with 32% but nearly 58% chance we pick in the top 3 with a 20% shot at number 1 and 19% at 2, chances of getting a top 3 pick while keeping sixers pick are not bad chances about a 14% chance of getting your 1 or 2 with 9 dream 37%

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t mind picking 4, and when you see how Talented Exum is, you will understand why….

          • oreofestar

            oh trust me I know about Exum but lets say Randle declares but not Jabari at least you are guaranteed one of Exum, Wiggins, Randle, Embiid if you pick 5 you could get stuck with Gordson, Smart or Vonleh as the top pick but remember if the Bucks get lottery then we are then guaranteed a top 4 pick instead of 5 for us to get 5 both us and the Bucks would need to miss the lottery which is unlikely I want Wiggins, Parker if he comes out I love Exum,

          • GEAGLE

            If the pelicans finish with the 9th worst record, can they move up to 6 or 7 because of the lottery? Or is it a case of either they win and move up into the top 4, or they pick 9th? Is it possible for them to move up to 6th or 7 because of the lottery? Or is it a case of, if they don’t get into the top 4, they can only pick 9th?

          • oreofestar

            in the extremely unlikely scenario that the teams in the lottery are all below the Pellie (10-14) there pick would end up being 12 but in the scenario that the teams in the lottery were in the bottom 8 they pick ninth they because the only way for them to pick in front of the bottom 8 teams is by being in the lottery so it is either top 3 or 9

          • GEAGLE

            Thanks…that’s what I thought…sucks,,,because them delivering the 6th or .7th pick would be sooooo amazing. Sigh

          • oreofestar

            the best the pelis can net us is an 8th if they fall another spot

          • damrvrhunter

            Am confused! Please re-state.

          • Adam G

            He’s saying the pelicans can get either the 1,2, or 3 pick and then it is theirs. They are slotted at 9 now. The only way it would be lower is if teams that are 10-14 get one of the top 3 picks, which is highly unlikely.

          • damrvrhunter

            Got it now. Thanks.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            “Can you do the dougie? No, I’m not from Kentucky. Bit the girls all around here, they still love me.”

            Sorry couldn’t resist. I’ve been so turned off to NBA for past 10yrs that I could care less anymore. Game just changed for the worse and became more highlights and star stacked into a few teams that it ruined the competitiveness of the sport.

          • Andy124

            I 100% lost interest in basketball during the end of the Iverson era. With what the sixers are doing, I’ll at least be paying attention to them next year. Interesting if nothing else. I love rookies.

          • NickS1

            Yeah, I hope they do something to bring my interest back. It’s basically the last hope, aside from May-June in the playoffs.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Same here. That’s when it was completely gone for me, but you could start to see the writing on the wall at that point. It’s just a bad system. Bad teams stay bad, good teams sign another star. The diversity in the league is just poo. You’ve got these few teams at the top & then everyone else just lumped together into a mess of dysfunction. The NBA was so much more an entity back 10-15 years ago. Stern thought he was making the league a greater product when in fact the overall product stinks the holy hell because the league is now so player driven and not team or strategy driven.

          • NickS1

            I can’t upvote this enough. The NBA game is hard to watch anymore. The 2nd round of the playoffs through the finals are the more watchable parts of the game, only because it’s the closest we get to the greatest era of the game, which was roughly 20 years ago.

          • damrvrhunter

            Please forgive me but am not sure you have used “eponymous” correctly maybe you meant to write “epic” which for years I mistook for a synonym of the former.

          • Andy124

            eponymous: of, relating to, or being the person or thing for whom or which something is named

            The book is named for him, thus, eponymous. It’s commonly used as a fancy way of saying ‘Title Character’. Nothing to forgive. Alway happy to exchange knowledge on the webzies.

          • damrvrhunter

            Thanks!

          • http://boyga.com/ joolyen

            GEAGLE you sound like a Bluejay fan.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t even know what that means…don’t give a crap about baseball..it’s one step away from Golf….

          • http://boyga.com/ joolyen

            Creighton Bluejay’s in Omaha. Doug and Kyle were both big time stars for them. Since you kept comparing them I thought you knew they went to the same school.

          • oreofestar

            lol Johnny not Toronto, Creighton

      • oreofestar

        Mormon thing won’t matter trust me they would want him in the NBA to be a pubic figure probably would serve them more I want him to go because lets say we get the 4th pick at the worst he could help push someone down

        • damrvrhunter

          I don’t follow your reasoning here. Can you say that again?

  • oreofestar

    Hey does anyone have an idea what round Jalen Saunders and Craig Loston are projected to go in

    • GEAGLE

      No higher than 3, no later than 5..

      • oreofestar

        so Saunder will go 4-7 and Loston 1-4

        • GEAGLE

          No..I think both go 3.4, or 5…I wouldn’t want Either player with our 3rd round pick, but I have seen them mocked that high…

          • oreofestar

            OOOOOH I see…

  • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

    No Trades:
    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 22: Dee Ford, DE, Auburn (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Martavis Bryant, WR, Clemson (B-)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Khairi Fortt, OLB, California (D)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (C-)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Jemea Thomas, FS, Georgia Tech (D)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Cody Hoffman, WR, Brigham Young (C)

    • oreofestar

      this would be a very disappointing draft love the Coleman pick though

    • JosephR2225

      Needs more WRs.

    • cliff henny

      like that Hoffman kid. hate Bryant, with fire red passion.

      • oreofestar

        Hoffma is inetersting I too hate Bryant if you want project there are some better ones

        • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

          If Hoffman is around in the 5th I’ll be screaming at Chip through the TV

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            I take that back. At times he runs lazy routes and throws some lazy blocks. I see why he’s projected low.

        • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

          I think I’m on a short list of people who like Dee Ford. Jemea Thomas I still have some???’s but he’ll stick a MFer. Khairi Forte is my dude at MLB. Probable 4th rounder. I’m suprised you guys hate Bryant that much. To me he’s got Randy Moss type-freaky talent

      • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

        Do you hate him. I read good things about him and his character. He’s working with the original Philly WR castaway Chris Carter pre draft. Word is he’s a willing blocker with sub 4.4 speed….. Id prefer him in the 3rd or later, but my choices dried up in this mock

        • cliff henny

          brother in law is clemson booster, basically, seen every Clemson game, kid has done nothing on field to warrant 2nd/3rd. guy was a ghost for 2 years.

    • GEAGLE

      We won’t draft Dee ford

  • Stuart Philp

    37 sacks as a team last season, we need about another 8-10 to be considered a good pass rushing team. It’s highly unlikely we replace Cole with a kid who gets 18 sacks. The solution isn’t just ROLB, we need interior pressure, pressure from our line. Hopefully the young front can make some strides and produce more now that they have a year in the system.

    • Will

      We need a behemoth NT to eat blocks and free up everybody else that’s how a 3-4 works…

      • Stuart Philp

        Not just eat blocks but forcing a double team, which if it isn’t there means he’s getting to the QB or collapsing the pocket. That’s what I meant by interior pressure.

        • Will

          yup I agree double teams and a bull rush up the middle . I really like Daniel McCullers in this draft for NT at 6’8″ 352 lbs. draws double teams and bull rushes up the middle…We will have to see what the Birds do in the draft their are 2-3 big NT in this upcoming draft…or they like Logan to put on a few lbs….

          • Stuart Philp

            Yeah I was just watching his Alabama tape. He looks like the kind of guy we want, though a bit rough technically and should be more powerful given his size. Could be a good mid-late rounder if he’s there. Lots of upside.

          • Will

            Daniel McCullers plays for Tennessee….gotcha they played Alabama…

          • oreofestar

            he probably meant his tape against Alabama if we called it Tennesse tape then wouldn’t all of his tape be Tennesse tape

          • Will

            Thanks…

          • GEAGLE

            You would be ok spending a 3rd round pick on McCullers, when we drafted a 3rd round NT last year that you guys already want to give up on? The draft will be focused on helping us get off the field on 3rd down, And a NT is useless in that regard,,,btw, Logan is NO ACCIDENT!!! He is exactly who we want in this scheme..if we wanted a 340lb, there were plenty we could have drafted last year instead of 310lb Logan…I guess when we draft our 315lb NT in round 5, everyone will finally put this silly NT talk to rest….btw, those Big behmoths are all starting to play less snaps league wide….
            ….
            If you aren’t helping us get off the field on 3rd down, you won’t be drafted before the 5th round….now if McCullers fell to round 5 I would be jumping for Joy to see us draft him, but he is a 3rd round pick so he won’t be an eagle

      • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

        I don’t disagree, but they like Logan. Took him a round ahead of his projected slot. Same could be said for Square. They both fit Chip&Billy’s mold/vision.

        I would like to see Logan play a little 5tech tho. I just don’t believe it’s a priority for them to touch that spot with a pick. Udfa? Maybe

  • oreofestar

    Another question, what round is Preston Brown projected in

  • The one

    why not give up 2nd and 7th and graham that should get the deal done.

    • oreofestar

      yep that extra 7th will seal the deal that was the reason they reportedly turned down the deal in the first place

    • JettMartinez

      That’s barely any different than Graham and the 2nd. 7th round picks are near to useless. Why would Miami take that if they think they can get the first round pick?

  • Scott J

    I still think a pass rushing OLB is our greatest need. We can’t let QB’s sit in the pocket and pick apart our secondary. I would trade our #1 and Graham for Jordan. Maybe get Miami to throw in a late round pick or contingency pick next year. Let’s face it, we’re not going to miss Graham, so it’s basically a first rounder for Jordan.

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      Yes and no. We have players to man the OLB position already ants even if we draft one high I’m not sure the rookie would supplant Cole to this season. I agree is a big need, but for the reasons above, less immediate a need than 3rd WR. They might be thinking Benn, but I’m not. 2 starting WRs coming off ACLs? Legion Of Knee Braces!

  • dnabrice

    Jackson IS NOT ELUSIVE. Ultra fast/quick, but if someone gets near him he goes down. When his speed goes down, he doesn’t have any other skills to fall back on. Westbrook back in the day and McCoy embody “elusive”.

    • Scott J

      You have to be elusive to be a punt returner.

      • Token

        not true.

  • travis papa

    I think this is real simple bc chip Kelly already answered this when talking about Sproles. If the eagles are on the clock and he feels Dion Jordan is the best player available at 22 they pull the trigger throwing in graham is obviously meaningless to him and that’s fine with me even being a big supporter of his but he would be buried even further on the depth chart. Ideally they keep graham get Jordan and cut Trent but whatever

    • NickS1

      Don’t throw in Graham unless you have to, though. I’d do everything to try to keep him out of it if it’s costing a first rounder as is. I’d like to try to get something in the 5th-7th range if possible.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Agree

      • travis papa

        If we only gave up a 1st kept graham & got back a 5th we lost for Sproles I’d do a freaking cartwheels and pound shots of soco til I blackout and piss my pants

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Can you have someone take video of that?

          • travis papa

            I’m sure my buddy whose a giants fan will. It’s a yearly tradition that we started with my brother who was a redskins fan that we do shots of soco everytime 1 guys team picks or there’s a trade. The one yr back before they ruined it & put it into primetime over 3days the 3 of us drank 2.5 bottles of soco in an afternoon.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yeah I’m not exactly a fan of the new format. 1st rd on a Thursday just sucks. Make it a weekend event Fri-Sun and that makes more sense. Especially if you want a bigger audience.

          • travis papa

            Exactly my idea was always Fri night they can have prime time for rd1. Sat rds 2-4 and sun rds5-7. But of course they are greedy pricks and want 2 prime time slots. We used tomake a great wknd out of it going out to my camp partying and watching it with a bunch of guys. Now just me h& my buddy watch rd1 and go to work the next day hungover. It sucks.

          • cliff henny

            one of your buddies Andy Reid? cause, that would explain ’10 and ’11’s draft

          • travis papa

            Swear to god 1 moment we talk about every yr now is when the eagles were on the clock and going to take Danny Watkins. Before their pick I rattled off a bunch of names I’d be happy if they drafted then I literally said “ill be happy if they take pretty much anyone but that old firefighter I think his name is Danny Watkins.” A couple minutes later my buddy had a pretty good laugh

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Makes perfect sense, but I’d hold off on Graham and just dangle the pick first. I’m sure that Chip sees it as they missed out on him last yr as the 4th pick, but can now get him at the 22nd pick (and possibly Graham which probably equates to somewhere around pick #15) and still have gotten LJ. So they make out and can hand pick their OLB, minus the draft process. If that were to go down, I just hope he pans out.

      • travis papa

        It’s pretty clear Howie was lowballing them to see if he could get Jordan for a ham sandwich and still have their 1st to have a shot at a top 3-5wr in the draft.

  • shady25

    I don’t know about this trade. I would like to see Brandon Graham on the field in the spring before deciding about this, but we have no way of seeing if he has improved. So with that said, I think you have to assume Brandon Graham is not the answer and make a trade or draft OLB high in the draft. I don’t know why but I have a soft spot for Brandon Graham and Nate Allen. Those guys have been through so much bullshit that they almost need a fresh start somewhere else. But I think a second year in the same defense an finally having some stability will do both of them good. I am hoping Brandon Graham makes the transition to OLB and becomes our home grown version of Lamar Woodley.

    • Kushan Patel

      If I could give you more than one upvote, I would! I share the same sentiments as you regarding Graham and Allen. And here I thought I was all alone…

  • Tom W

    Dolphins will NOT take the giant 14 million cap hit this year … no chance in hell. But what about a pre-arranged June 1st trade so the dolphins can split the dead money hit in half for this year and next.

    2015 Eagles first (probably mid 20s) and Graham for Jordan

    IN reality, the only way I see this trade going down economically and cap-wise.

    Then we aren’t forced to trade down at all if we don’t want to bc we don’t have to take an olb in the second round.

    Come out of this draft w/ this haul w out even making a trade down (obviously want one but no longer have to)

    Jordan olb
    1) Fuller arguably best corner in the draft and starting corner next year

    2) Buchanon starting safety

    3) Moncrief or Martavius Bryant – big fast tall wrs

    4) Christian Jones – cover lb and inside lb of the future at 6 3 athletic as hell

    5) B.Ellington – fast as hell polished slot wr who can also play outside (some think better than cooks including Matt Waldman)
    7) Wesley Johnson – Texas guard/tackle plays 4 positions .. guard of the future eagles interested

    UDFA – Colt Lyeria
    UDFA Kyri Thorton – S Miss DT – versatile long dt/5tech eagles interested

    UDFA Robert Thomas – Arkansas – versatile big nt (injured last year but very disruptive junior yr and early senior yr) eagles interested
    UDFA – Taj Boyd – qb project eagles interested

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      Thank you. It makes no sense. I think the cap hit might be a little lower. The prorated bonus totals roughly $10M, and the other $4M or so is made up of roster and performance bonuses which to my knowledge they are not on the hook for should they trade or cut him.

      From the Birds standpoint it makes sense. They’ll pay Jordan a few $100k LESS per year than a player taken with the 22 pick. And if they can get an additional 4th rounder you have to consider it a win. But I don’t like Jordan that much. Not more than I like Beckham@#22 and VanNoy at#54, and Taj Boyd or a new boot to replace Henrery in the 7th after you deal BG to the Seahawks or Jags.

  • Chris Jones

    I don’t want Jordan for our 22nd. I’m not convinced he’s what he is made out to be even though he was not a schematical fit in Miami and he dealt with injuries. He didn’t impress me in college and didn’t impress in the time he did have on the field in 2013. I may be willing to part with a 2nd rounder though.

  • Chris Jones

    Would rather have brandon cooks at 22 honestly

  • Neanderthal

    Pretty simple. who would you rather have Ford, Early or Jordan?

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Don’t think it’s quite that simple, depending on who is on the board and you’re on clock at #22. Then it makes sense to do what you feel is of value. But get the point that you’re expecting those two to be on the board.

      Honestly, I like Jordan over the other two and that has nothing to do with Jordan. I just don’t see the other two as OLBs in a 3-4. That makes DJ win by default.

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      Trade back, get an extra pick.

  • botto

    we need to get another impact player on offense like cooks.
    we need a deep threat no matter what anyone says