Draft Daily: Close-up On PSU WR Allen Robinson

NCAA Football: Purdue at Penn State

Chip Kelly continued his Pro Day tour this week with a visit to State College.

And the main attraction once again was a wide receiver: Allen Robinson.


Robinson (6-2 5/8) turned in a disappointing 40 time (4.60) at the combine, but he weighed 220 pounds at the February event. At his Pro Day, Robinson was reportedly down to 208 pounds, and he ran sub-4.5:

Regardless of the measurables, Robinson is not considered a burner, but his production speaks for itself. Robinson averaged 8.1 catches per game last year, good enough for ninth in the country. And he averaged 119.3 yards per contest (third in the nation). An early entry, Robinson was productive as a sophomore as well, totaling 77 receptions for 1,018 yards and 11 touchdowns.

Robinson's strength is his size. Not only does he have excellent length, but Robinson can get up. Here's a look at how his combine numbers stacked up:

There are several reasons why Robinson likely intrigues Kelly and the Eagles. One is that he's shown he can be prolific on screens to the perimeter, a staple of the Birds' offense. According to Rotoworld,  27.6 percent of Robinson's catches last year came on screens, and he averaged 14.3 YAC on those plays.

Take a look at this play from last year against Wisconsin. Robinson starts in the slot, motions to the opposite side, takes a screen, accelerates through traffic, breaks a tackle and turns a high-percentage throw into a monster gain.

By the way, if you're wondering about the defender who caught Robinson from behind, he reportedly ran in the 4.3s at his Pro Day.

In the games I watched, Robinson rarely lined up inside, although he showed the ability to make tough catches in between the numbers.

Per Rotoworld, 48.4 percent of Robinson's catches were on comeback routes. He was a high-volume receiver, capable of moving the chains. And Robinson only dropped about 5.4 percent of the catchable passes thrown his way.

Here's another play from that Wisconsin game. Robinson gets the defender on his back and makes a leaping grab in the red zone.

On downfield targets, Robinson's strength is tracking the ball through the air and using his size/vertical leap to make plays. In other words, he's more likely to make grabs on 50/50 balls than burn past opposing cornerbacks. This is a skill Kelly values in Riley Cooper.

And Robinson's ability to shake off defenders after the catch caught the attention of NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah:

Here's an example of what Jeremiah's talking about:

In terms of the run game, Robinson doesn't show much effort as a blocker. But given his frame, there's no reason he can't be effective in that aspect with the right coaching in the NFL.

Projecting Robinson is difficult. His college production was outstanding, he has excellent size, and he's young (doesn't turn 21 until August). While the combine is only one piece of the puzzle, wide receivers who run 4.6 generally don't get taken early. In the last three drafts, only one WR (Kendall Wright) who ran 4.6 or worse was taken in the first two rounds.

ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. recently suggested Robinson could fall to the third round (70th overall).

The guess here is that Robinson is an unlikely choice for the Eagles at No. 22, but if he's available at No. 54 or 86, the Penn State product could be an option.

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  • GEAGLE

    Guess I shouldn’t have talked bout A-Rob in the previous thread lol

    • Eagles1018

      My WR hopefuls:

      Cooks
      ODB
      Moncrief
      Latimer

      Realistically anyone selecting high in the draft is not passing up on Mike Evans if he’s BPA. Watkins is top 5 so that ain’t happening either. Looking at all the reports and video I can find on these 4 guys, I’ll be content with the eagles taking any 2 of them (hopefully one small burner and one big)

      • GEAGLE

        ODB is the only WR under 6’2 that I have interest in…
        ..
        We had a small but super fast guy, his name was Desean..
        We have a Big Boy with average speed, in Cooper

        Time to step it up a notch, and get that rare! SIZE/Speed combo, and let our Coach develop it into an elite gamebreaker,,,so many big, fast prospects that I don’t get why people want to settle on 5’11 WRs….

        • Eagles1018

          Desean? Don’t remember him.

          Brandin Cooks, btw is not settling. Have you heard of former Panther now Raven Steve Smith? Cooks is being compared to him. That IMO is not settling. He’s a “smallish” receiver clearly because of his height. But he’s 190 lbs. Maclin is about 195. Cooks also has the potential to be better than Smith and I’m sure better than this Desean guy you mentioned. His combine numbers are better than both guys overall and his receiving numbers are clearly better. Cooks shows up for games. He’s not a 3 catch 50 yd guy then a 10 catch 150 yd guy the next game and so on. His numbers show more consistency than any dude we’ve had on the team in recent years.

  • GEAGLE

    Hopefully Moncreif or A-Rob have the Charecter and work ethic to blow Chip away during interviews…if one of their Charecter checks out, we could land a baby beast to mold with serious ELITE NFL potential…Chip squeezed every drop of ability out of limited Riley Cooper, just imagine what he can do with 20yr olds with Josh Gordon and Anquan BOldin type ability?

    They can have all the ability in the world, but if Chip doesn’t believe in their Charecter and work ethic, we won’t be interested..Chip praised Desean, but made sure to make it clear in his next sentence that Desean is a great player, but that you need the RARE size/speed combo up be ELITE…there are two Baby Beasts who we know for a fact won’t be drafted in the first 21 picks….PRAY these kids blow us away during the interview process…

    Wish you woulda put up Moncreifs chart next to A-Robs..I would be thrilled with A-Rob, but Moncreifs potential is even scarier…both have Flaws, but flaws are corrected by work and coaching. Flaws we can live with, without Flaws, elite potential like this would get drafted in the top 15, and we would be drooling over them like Mike Evans…the flaws we can live with, Limitations are the problem…and their isn’t much that I don’t like about these young kids that can’t be fixed with quality coaching and hard work…

    • TripSquadMonopoly

      Hopefully they do a Moncreif analysis next. I want to learn more about him. But I atleast like how A-Robs combine results were better than KBs

      • GEAGLE

        Moncref: 6’2 220lbs ran a 4.4 flat which is just silly impressive. Out of all the small fast WR athletes at the combine, this 220lb monster ran the 3rd fastest time..He also had the 3rd highest vertical(A-Rob had the best vertical)..Moncreif had the best Broad jump…
        ..
        Both will be 21yr old rookies…negatives on Moncreif are not the biggest hands(which really isn’t the end of the world) and people don’t like that he uses his body to catch the ball too often….Like 90% of 20yr olds, he needs to improve his route running…Greg Cossell views him as Josh Gordon,Demaryious Thomas type of potential..some scouts call him the most under rated prospect in the SEC…NFL Front Offices I have a feeling like him much more than the mock community,..Mock community says you can get him in round 3…Doubt he makes it past #50…you have a 20yr old, who if you stick him on a Jug machines a few hours a day, improves his route running, you will have gotten an ELITE NFL Talent…if he were 23yrs old, you may not like his flaws…but at the age of 20, you have to be a short sited fool to pass that up….If we trust his Charecter and work ethic, I think he will be pretty damn high on our I list…like all 20yr olds, he is flawed, but you won’t find many limitations that can be corrected

        • GEAGLE

          Id gladly take A-Rob, but if we are being honest, Moncreif is even sexier…he is basically everything A-Rob is, but he runs a 4.4 flat…that’s just crazy.,,A Rob is probably more advanced at beating press man right now….but you don’t draft either for what they are now…if you draft them, you do so because you believe they will be ELITE WRs in 3 years..
          Hoping Bicknell fell in love with him. When we sent him to work him out

          • JofreyRice

            don’t think Moncrief is quite as strong at the point of the catch. A-rob FLASHES a little Micheal Irvin, on some plays.

          • GEAGLE

            Agreed..that’s why I view Moncreif as a Josh Gordon type of Ceiling, where as I view A-Rob as an Anquan BOldin type(bigger than BOldin), either works for me, just two different types of WRs ….both have a lot of work to do at the next level, the fans who judge draft picks after their rookie seasons probably won’t like these two…but if they have the right Charecter, coaching and QB play, they will pay off in a big way down the line

    • Adam G
      • GEAGLE

        I know the numbers…I would like people to get to see them next to A-robs..thanks tho

    • Javi Echie

      I love Moncreif but I can see chip having a problem with his small hands but regardless I’d take robinson if he were there in second and moncreif depending on how the draft comes out high 3rd rounder or late 2nd

    • peteike

      yup, great points about character, thats obviously a huge factor for this staff and a very hard one for us fans to gauge from the outside. Near impossible really unless they are at knucklehead status.

    • Tom W

      AROB is very finesse and doesn’t block at all. Moncrief doesn’t fight for balls and reminds me of pinkston. YOung and potential but both very much projects and need seasoning and weightroom. WOuldn’t be upset w either but not thrilled. ASF had a horrible yr and some character concerns. NFL scout saying he is even more a diva than Ebron.
      I’m leaning more towards a celek type replacement like CJ Fed from Iowa who is a very complete tight end or a 5th rd guy like arthur lynch from georgia who is a beast and has shown good hands … like a heath miller.
      I also think that C Latimer brings the same athletic upside as moncrief and aRob but shows much more physicality, vertical ability, and blocking prowess chip likes. Really impressed by his tape against strong corners from Mich st. and Ohio st and just beastly numbers game after game after game.
      I would think a combo of Latimer and Josh Huff would offer great upside and dichotomy at the position … one ideal slot w size and quickness in Huff will fall through the cracks to the fifth and a elite wr potentially in Latimer on the outside

      • GEAGLE

        Lol ok

  • ACViking

    Watch the guy who tackles Robinson from behind in the 1st video of the WR screen.

    No. 12 . . . Wisconsin’s Senior Safety Dezmen Southward. 6’0″ 211lbs.
    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/dezmen-southward?id=2543775

    Before Robinson motions left, Southward is playing single-high safety. Then he jumps down into the slot opposite Robinson after the motion.

    After Robinson takes the pass he begins accelerate, and Southward gets blocked by a PSU lineman.

    Robinson gets at least a 5-yard head start — and Southward still runs him down.

    • Richard Colton

      So you saying Robinson might not be as good as we’re led to believe? Or that this Southward kid is a sleeper to watch?

      • ACViking

        RC –
        A little of both.

      • Eagles1018

        I think Southward is a sleeper pick. I looked it up, projected 6-7 round. With a 4.3 40 time. Good size too…but he had a medical issue which kept him out of the combine. Supposedly something with his back(?). But the scouting report I found on him says he’s a sure tackler. Less of a ball hawk but that’s ok. I want sure tacklers who can take the proper angles. And hopefully stop some of these third down conversions from happening so much.

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      He definitely put the jetsnon to track down the play. That was actually my first exposure to Southward. I haven’t been intrigued enough from the scouting reports I’ve read to search him any further And I’m still not. I assume ,for his sake, he’s a box safety. … cuz he hardly ever was near enough to ARob to make the tackle in that game. …

      Read another story on him afterwards about how he couldn’t compete at the combine due to a cracked vertebrae the doctors found in Indy. Could be a medical nightmare. If you wanna take that chance as an udfa go for it, based on his speed alone. But I’d rather not spend a pick.

      • Kushan Patel

        Upvote simply for username

  • eaglefansocal

    Sorry to break up the all GEAGLE string! I think waiting until the 3rd round to see if Moncreif or A-Rob is available is the way to go, especially if we take ODB or Cooks in the 1st. If we go defense in the 1st, then will probably want to take a receiver in the 2nd.

    • cliff henny

      wouldn’t be shocked if Kelly just out-waited the draft and let’s couple raw freaks drop right into Eagles laps in something like 3rd and 5th. get 2 guys with completely different strength that can be used in different formations while learning rest of game.

      • eaglefansocal

        That is possible if he really wants to go mostly defense or believes his system can make any receiver good (Riley Cooper). But based on BPA picks it would be hard to not pick a receiver (including TE’s) in one of the 1st 2 rounds.

        • cliff henny

          yup, I’ve flip flopped on this so many times. one day I want to use 1st and 3rd, get Evans, get Kelly ultimate weapon, then next, think, well if he made garbage ’10-12 Cooper look like he did in ’13, then they be talent in mid rounds that he can create near elite over next couple years.
          .
          wait a day, sure i’ll be onto another theory.

    • peteike

      yup exactly if they go WR at 22 it wont be A-Rob and then they wont get him later which is fine in that scenario. Im hoping they go D and can get A-Rob in 2nd at 22. Im just thinking thats not happening anymore. Hes going to be a guy thats stock rises and will be taken top half of 2nd round. If not I hope they trade back.

  • Kevin

    Here is a thought… everyone is touting this as the ‘Best Wide Receiver Draft” Ever, with so much WR talent, does that mean it is more likely for top WR’s to slide? It is likely that the talent at other positions drops off quicker, therefore it may stand to reason that the #2 CB or S or whatever position may be more valuable than the #2 WR because the gap between the other positions is more dramatic. Just a thought. Should be a fun draft!

    • Richard Colton

      best night of the sports year. Unless you’re Cleveland or the Raiders, you walk away a winner (until September)

      • Dominik

        Remember that one time, at draft night, when the Cowboys picked a 3rd rounder in the first round? I do.

        • Richard Colton

          pepridge farms remembers.

          The Cowboys are a joke. they’ve become the Raiders. What might suck this year is with the depth of the draft, there may just be a can’t miss layup. Donald?

          • Dominik

            They had like their 8th ranked player on the board when they were picking at 18 and still traded back. To be fair, they picked Williams with that extra third – still crazy.

          • cliff henny

            7th round is going to stink, Dallas has 6 picks.

        • Kevin

          That happened only once? lol.
          Remember one time one the Skins got the second pick and drafted…. wait… sorry… that should read Rams.

      • peteike

        best night? I actually find it the most hyped yet disappointing, most un-fulfilling sports experience there is. I mean I like it, follow it etc but for the amount of time discussed and dissected its really boring and uneventful in the end. Then you get to read about the same 6-8 guys the following month ha. I think Kevin is right on, I said same thing yesterday. If they pass on certain positions early, they get really thin in the later rounds. Then you get into the BPA vs Need dynamic.

        • Richard Colton

          No other night is filled with promise. 32 teams win the Super Bowl on May 8th. pretty amazing.

          Correct though – non-event.

          • peteike

            ha so true, promise and hope sells well. I could make an Obama joke there somewhere

    • CJ

      I agree. I understand why some people have 6 WRs with first round grades. But I don’t see six going in the first because of exactly what you’re saying. There’s going to be a lot of good WRs that fall

    • Tom W

      Eagles don’t draft positions … they draft players. Howie has been asked several teams whether they consider one position that is shallow earlier versus a deeper one later in draft and he has repeatedly said no because its not fantasy football, they don’t draft by tiers, its individual-driven, and you never know when a positional run will start and a player (in a certain deep position) you were hoping would be there later in the draft, isn’t there.

      Rather than them taking the best corner or safety at 1.22 than wr bc wr is deep, if eagles have a strong first round grade on a wr who falls to them (evans, odb, maybe cooks and uh oh lee) they will take them if they have that wr rated higher than the corner or safety.

      What I think is more likely is when no elite prospects fall to them at 22, they will trade down. Really depends if anyone unexpected falls to them (barr, gilbert) or if they have a prospect rated higher than most that they must have (lee, cooks, fuller come to mind). I’m hoping Barr or ODB falls to them or a trade back or two.

      • peteike

        ya you said this before, makes sense and is actually the smart way to do it unlike some previous staffs

        • TOm W

          I think it makes sense for the next couple season when Kelly and his staff have a distinct advantage over most teams in scouting bc they actually recruited, coached, and played against these kids and still have strong connections w college coaches.
          10 yrs from now, I would prefer Kelly and birds take tiered approach bc over time no team is infallible at player evaluation and everyone had busts. GMs should realize this and draft for value (highest rated prospect drops to them should be taken like giants do) and do positional tiering to maximize their draft. if a gm just gathered the most reliable 10 draft player grade reports and averaged them out … eliminate players who don’t fit scheme and for character issues … then just draft from that board … they would be eliminating for internal bias and error and at least know versus the rest of the league they got the best value draft for their buck.

          • damrvrhunter

            I think I remember reading somewhere that the Bengals have the smallest scouting department. It would be interesting to see if they supplement or rely heavily on the BPA approach you advocate for pick selections and a look at their long term results. Not privy to either information, I would guess that for the latter they have performed significantly above the norm but have sucked at retaining the talent. Corey Dillion, Palmer and Ocho Cinco come to mind at the moment.

  • KimikoTamaoki

    MUAHAHAHAHA

    1 Pick 8 (MINN): Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
    2 Pick 26 (N.O.): Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State
    3 Pick 22: Bashaud Breeland, CB, Clemson
    4 Pick 27 (CLE): Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State
    5 Pick 22: Deandre Coleman, DT, California
    6 Pick 26 (N.O.): Jeff Janis, WR, Saginaw Valley
    7 Pick 3 (CLE): Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma
    7 Pick 22: Howard Jones, OLB, Shepherd

    • ceedubya9

      Good haul.

      • Richard Colton

        1 Pick 6 (Atlanta): Sammy Watkins
        1 Pick 8 (Buffalo): Khalil Mack
        1 Pick 10 (Detroit): Greg Robinson
        1 Pick 19 (Miami): Haha Clinton Dix

        I basically had to trade my 1st and 2nd round picks for the next two decades, but it was totally worth it.

  • cliff henny

    sheil, while these spider graphs are nice to look at (except for casey Matthews, that one is a little rough), for a lay person such as me, not sure what matters. like in AR here, 91 percentile in 20 yard shuffle means what? assume stop and go? but 3-cone in 36th means? guessing broad and vertical jumps have to do with explosion. sure there’s a ton of info there that’s flying over my head.

    • JosephR2225

      This explains them in a little more detail:
      http://www.nfl.com/combine/workouts

      • cliff henny

        thanks. what I mean though is for each position each leg of graph means something different, or having 2 low ones means something. maybe it’s the economist’s in me, but putting up a graph without explaining it, really doesn’t do much. obviously I know we want to see max grey, but the areas that fall short, also areas they excel in, be nice to know what that means to us fans on the football field.

    • Dominik

      Dude, you’re killing me. The spider graph for Matthews is flat out hilarious.

      http://mockdraftable.com/player/481/

      • cliff henny

        honestly, that is only slightly better than what mine would look like at combine today

        • Dominik

          That’s only slightly better than what yours would like at the combine today – if you were drunk and high yesterday.

          • cliff henny

            done and done!

      • Nunya

        LOL

  • Andy

    On paper this guy looks a lot like Riley Cooper, who ran a 4.56 at the 2010 combine. Cooper was drafted in the fifth round.

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      Who’s that?

  • Rahkem

    1st Round Pick 22- CB Kyle Fuller – VT
    2nd Round pick 22 – S Jimmie Ward – NIU
    3rd Round Pick 22 – WR Martavis Bryant – CLEM
    4th Round Pick 22 – OLB Larry Webster -
    4th Rund Pick 30 (NE) – CB Bashaud Breeland
    6th round pick 22 – OT Kevin Graf
    7th Round Draft Pick – TE Colt Lyerla

    My Ideal Draft being realistic as to what i think will happen , there are guys id rather have but not that i think arerealistic.

    • peteike

      nice, I prefer these realistic ones, so Ill actually bother seeing how they play out. Not sure why people insist on the silly fantasy drafts buy hey, all in fun

  • cliff henny

    Dallas is kicking around idea of moving from #16 to #2, best guess is for Clowney. think Clowney is freak athlete, but do wonder a little about his desire. just been so super easy for him, see what happens when he isn’t 10 xs better athlete than guy he’s lining up against.

    • peteike

      wow if they do and give up a ton in this stocked draft, good news for us. I dont really buy that narrative with Clowney, isnt it all based on this past season? Seems like he just didnt want to get hurt this year so played it way way safe and so a lot of questions came out of that. Sounds like Mack is the sure bet though.

      • cliff henny

        not really, seen him play almost every game, live in SC. when he gets on a roll, he comes alive, when the game is hard, you see him crack a little. he really does seem like a ‘when the going is good, he’s good to go’ but when it’s tough, he knows next week he’ll get another chance to light it up. have no doubt he’ll make plays in NFL.

        • peteike

          oh right you watch all those games so Id trust your opinion. Ya besides the past season I had heard a lot of potential negatives about him. Then you also hear the unreal athleticism part and guys slobbering over him so the character part is huge. Tough to gauge also

          • cliff henny

            yeah, i’m not into all those negatives, only one I think is legit concern is he really relied on being best athlete on field, and he was, by a lot . those types always make me nervous when you see them turn it off and on, and he did, and he’d do it in games. to date, he isn’t that deadly combo of freak, dedicated to game and incredible desire. killing it at combine and pro-day, that’s like Vick killing it in OTA’s, second nature to these guys. to me, that’s an over reliance on being best athlete on the field. he simply wont be as great of a difference on next level.

          • phillylove21

            We call them practice with no pads player! Kill at 7 on 7, practice the day before the Friday night game, and combine wowzers! Watch the film.. If there’s separation between those catches made.. We have a player like Allen Robinson in Cooper.. If we take a player like Benjamin he has the towering height over NFL DBs with Allen speed..

      • anon

        Who cares — have you seen the OLs in our division? I’d be more worried if I was the skins / giants? Clowney would eat those dudes. Chip would just scheme around him and he’d give up.

        He would make an AMAZING OLB with coaching / desire — did you see his pro day?

      • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

        How great is it to be the Rams tho? Keep trading out of that early spot and stacking picks. It’s a no brainer for them. Whether or not they choose to roll with Bradford, they can grab 2 more first round talents one a QB if necessary. And add more early picks. I keep saying the only thing holding back them and AZ is the Seahawks & 9ers. They’re both better than their records

    • JofreyRice

      yep, hard to bet against a guy that physically gifted, but it’s a good point.

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      JERRY♡♡♡’s JOHNNY FOOTBALL!!!!!!!

  • Chris Jones

    The best option would be to get brandon cooks. Maclin and cooper are not slot receivers they are wideouts an forcing them into the slot would be not playing to their strengths. Cooks is the quintessential slot guy, he would be an instant starter and stretch the field just like Jackson did allowing the offense to return to full strength.

    • damrvrhunter

      Will Kelly like his size and “character”? What about ODB?

      • GEAGLE

        Cooks is high Charecter,,,but by chips own definition, he doesn’t have the size to be an ELITE NFL WR….I’d be surprised if we draft cooks, And I been a cooks fan for years, I’m not like 90% of the eagles fans pumping him up who learned his name a month ago…

        • damrvrhunter

          Good to know.

        • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

          Just read this about Martavis character from Pete Wilson ………..”I sat down with Martavis at the combine, and as I alluded to in our Combine Notes, I came away with a different impression than I expected. The two things that stuck out were his humility and his focus on the things that matter. He knows that he needs to continue working on his fundamentals and he knows what his key areas are. This is a positive coming from a player who is supposed to be immature and who has an academic suspension on his record.

          Also on the positive front, Bryant has been working with Chris Carter in Boca Raton, and he said the Hall of Fame receiver taught him “a lot of things.” Bryant alluded to some route work and learning to “play smart,” but Carter also stressed responsibility off the field. “He told us about his stories about what happened to him. He just tried to hammer it in on us.” It appears that this is a young man who is learning how to work at his craft. If he can sustain it, he has a chance to develop into a serious weapon.”…….

          Was Chip at Clemson’s Pro Day?

      • anon

        ODB is only 5’11 190ish. He can do a lot but most of his routes are deeper — Landry is the versatile one on that team — though he’s not nearly as athletically gifted.

        • damrvrhunter

          I totally forgot all about Landry. Where is he projected to go?

          • oreofestar

            ranges from 2nd to 4th I would say 3rd right now

  • peteike

    Kap being investigated for sexual assault, uh oh

    • GEAGLE

      Serious? Well the Niners are more than welcome to trade up to 22 For a QB :)

      • anon

        Big Ben says “it don’t matter”.

        • damrvrhunter

          The man is Teflon coated.

      • oreofestar

        lol kiss that extension good bye

    • cliff henny

      just means he’ll need 5yrs 100m instead of 5 yrs 90m, cause 10m is going to be buying someone off

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      Is that the charge? I hate these idiots! Hire drivers and use backpages for Christ sake

  • JofreyRice

    I’ve liked Allen Robinson for awhile, but I don’t think he’s a first round receiver. Not in this draft, anyway. I think if you wait ’til the second, you’re possibly going to have either him, or Moncrief go before #54. I’d be happy with either at that point. They both have some things they need to work on, but the physical potential to be really good NFL wideouts.