Police: DeSean Not Under Investigation

A spokesperson for the Philadelphia Police Department told Birds 24/7 Friday afternoon that DeSean Jackson is not under investigation for wrongdoing related to the break-in at his South Philadelphia residence in January. Further, there was a discrepancy on the original police report that has since been corrected.

Based off an initial interview with Jackson’s mother, it was believed that approximately $200,000 was missing from Jackson’s home  along with a firearm and jewelry valued at approximately $125,000. After speaking with Jackson, they determined that the following was unaccounted for:

— A Ruger handgun valued at $700
— A Rolex Presidential with diamonds valued at $110,000
—  $20,000 in currency




"He provided accurate information from the very beginning," said Lieutenant John Stanford, a public information officer.

Asked if Jackson was being investigated for any wrongdoing, Stanford replied: "He is absolutely not under investigation."

 

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  • MediaMike

    So DeSean provides accurate information while the Eagles say nothing. Classic.

  • Not FuriousXGeorge

    And yet, we will never stop hearing that it was $200,000 and obvious insurance fraud and the actual reason for the release.

  • Hiral

    Lol so we are spending the next week justifying why we let DeSean go and it was about money the whole time. Trust if it was about conduct detremental to the team then Riley cooper would have been cut from the team. The eagles where wrong by saying it was gang related than back tracked and said it was because of his work ethic!!!! But the man has higher numbers than any receiver on the team.

    • djack10

      where did the eagles say it was gang related?

      • Hiral

        Please turn on the t.v. or refer to previous articles

        • djack10

          the eagles have not actually commented. anywhere. at all. i am more than willing to be corrected. not busting your chops. i am just asking if in fact you can point me to an actual eagles comment on the release.

          • MediaMike

            You wont find one because they’re cowards who won’t actually say anything about what they’ve done.

          • laeagle

            So they were saying stuff that they didn’t say, and that makes them cowards for not saying it? Brilliant stuff.

          • anon

            Yeah they saw the article, dumped him, and then let reporters speculate that they didn’t want to trade him b/c they didn’t want to saddle other teams with a guy that has a gang affiliation. When actually no one wanted to trade and once the article came out they knew they couldn’t trade him.

            Can’t believe chip called him the other day and told him not to worry. He’s looking mad sketchy as a person. Longer they stay out of the media the more they’re going to have to talk about it.

          • Andy124

            Didn’t he tell him not to worry about getting traded? They didn’t trade him. :)

            Seriously though, you have to consider the possibility that Chip just tried to tell him not to let the situation stress him out and DJ heard what he wanted to hear.

          • Real

            Did the Eagles report that? I though it was Desean who said that, and DGUNN came out today and said it was “Damage control”

    • Tom w

      Wow you so like an angry troll

      • Hiral

        Your clearly dont know about football101

  • Hiral

    And for you same 8 people who always post on this website you know who you are! Just know that WE ARE NOT taking a WR in the first Round. Chip wanted a 3rd round pick because he is getting Dri Archer or The guy from Oregon (Thomas). No Evans and no ODB. Oh and no LB the first round. We are taking Fuller CB from VTECH or Hageman from Minnesota

    • Andy124

      Yeah, but what lottery numbers should I play?

      • MediaMike

        187

        • Philly0312

          Haha

      • Hiral

        The one that gets us a defense

        • Andy124

          You know all that other stuff, should be no problem for you to know exactly what numbers gets us a defense. Let me know so I can play them.

    • Tom w

      Archer and Thomas are going in the sixth round dope. We were taking one and most likely two wrs w or without djax.

      • Hiral

        Ironically you were one of the 8 I was referring to. Lol

      • Hiral

        Please on draft day refer back to this site so I can correct you and your pundits about draft picks and football

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      Thanks joe banner

  • Caught Red Hernandez

    The LAPD officer who investigated the ~2010 case (or which ever one it is) claims he contacted the Eagles back then and spoke with them and cleared Desean of any involvement.

    The Eagles claim such conversation never occurred.

    Someone here is lying. Which side has incentive to lie? Hmmm…

    Surprise surprise

    • Real

      Depends on who he talked to and if they told anyone.

      • Caught Red Hernandez

        Obviously he would talk to those in charge of the organization (the front office).

        The very same front office that is, for the most part, still in tact since then.

        No way can someone claim organizational ignorance.

    • rls255

      Actually, according to the nj.com article the lapd detective reached out to the eagles in 2011 but never received a response, Inferring he never had the chance to discuss his investigation. Eagles brass say they never spoke to him. Doesn’t seem like anyone is lying. Maybe AR got the message and decided to not open that can, who knows, he did protect his players. Everything doesn’t have to be a conspiracy.

  • Eagles1018

    Smh…more and more the leadership of my favorite football team looks lost and clueless and running out of excuses for why they look this way. I’m beginning to lose faith in them seriously. Trust Chip, right? We cut ties with one of the best deep threats in football who had a career year for…..6 million in dead money and nothing. Are we a real football franchise?

    • Caught Red Hernandez

      We’re a football franchise focused on winning the annual “Best Salary Cap Situation” award in the NFL.

      Who the heck cares about Superbowls?

    • MediaMike

      If they wanted to move on from him, that’s their business…………. but it should have been done in 2011 or one month ago. Now they’re stuck with a roster with no starting quality NFL WRs on it. Foolish.

      • anon

        It just looks extra bad that they dumped him when that article came out and then the lawyers put a gag order on the whole FO? Dump him fine. But don’t assassinate his character. Now we gotta watch sanchez all offseason.

        • Caught Red Hernandez

          yeah they really did him dirty. A lot of fans are drinking the kool-aid buying into the whole sham. He did too much for this organization to get treated like this. Best WR we’ve had in the past 15 years (minus the 1 yr TO rental)

          • Andy124

            Damn I wish someone would do me dirty so they only gave me like x millions of dollars.

      • Tom w

        Huh? Our wrs are fine. Don’t think the offense skips a beat honestly. Relax

        • MediaMike

          Our WRs w/o Jackson drawing doubles are very limited. We did not replace talent for talent.

          • Philly0312

            WHAT DOUBLES????? you people who keep saying this…go watch some all 22 and say something rational and true.

          • TripSquadMonopoly

            SAFETY HELP. OVER THE TOP. THAT DOUBLE

          • Philly0312

            Actually…it isn’t. As a matter of fact, it isn’t even close to the same thing….hence Maclin’s comments yesterday. Mccoy and the ground game create the single coverage. ..not djax.

          • TripSquadMonopoly

            So you are telling me that Riley and Maclin are going to consistently pull safety help over the top because they are deep threats that can blow past man coverage frequently?

          • Philly0312

            Dude….it’s cover 1 man…so it doesn’t matter. It’s not even about the safety over the top of the deep threat, it’s about the ground game causing opponents to use cover 1 due to the killer ground game. If Mccoy gets hurt…worry. Our deep game will be fine without djax. Cooper hit plenty of long balls last year. Maclin is not exactly slow (4.3 guy as well). The issue is how thin we are at wr. But overall, losing djax sucks, but it’s not much worse than losing Maclin last year. Would have been crazy to see them all on the field at once, but who knows what the next 6 weeks will bring.

          • TripSquadMonopoly

            You know what I hope your right. But Maclin 4.3 that’s a stretch.

          • Philly0312

            Maclin has been consistently clocked in the 4.3s throughout his life; his personal best is 4.31. His combine was 4.4, but he was expected to run the fastest 40 in the combine so it was a surprise. People were discussing if he could get 4.29 before the combine that year. So…comes down to that knee. And he never seems to play 16. I won’t lie…I really want a WE in the first 3 rounds…because we have no depth there unless benn surprises. He looked good before blowing his knee last year

          • TripSquadMonopoly

            Honestly forgot about Benn. Hes a hope at this point so many receivers off ACL scares me. Not Chip tho.

          • Andy124

            Conversationally: Did you see Benn much in college?
            Like a man amongst boys he was.

          • Philly0312

            I saw highlights…never saw a full game. He’s a nice dark horse to watch this spring and summer.

          • Andy124

            He was a fantastic college player. It’s never translated to the pro’s, but like any fan, I’m left hoping that our coaches can be the ones to make him look like that again. Hope rules.

          • Philly0312

            Yeah…lots of ifs in a wr core that looked great on paper 24 hours ago. Hopefully they nail this draft.

          • Andy124

            Agree with both of you actually. I’ve always seen Maclin clocked in the range, never seen him play like it.

          • Eagles4Life

            Tell me about a time the safety in cover one man shaded over to Riley’s side instead of DeSean’s. Lol come on, man.

          • Philly0312

            WTF…are you people all idiots? Do you think a safety shades to djax when he was lined up in the slot 30 percent of the time this past year? And often in the backfield as well? Why do you think that was? Because Jackson was having serious issues getting open and had serious issues getting off press coverage. Jackson is a good player, but he sacked against good corners. Why don’t you go back and watch the saints game again? In the first half they rarely gave Lewis safety help and he owned djax. What separated djax 2013 season from others had less to do with catching deep balls and more to do with catching quick screens and turning them into easy quick yards by making a guy miss and a nice tight rope here and there. At the end of the day, even if they shaded to djax 100 percent of the time, which they didn’t come close to doing, it was still Mccoy who dictated the coverage on the wide receivers more so than djax. Talk about shading all you want…but getting cover 1 all the time helps anyone’s deep passing game.

          • Eagles4Life

            Lol we’re idiots, but the numbers tell a different story. Read —> http://eaglesrewind.com/2014/03/26/more-on-desean/

          • Philly0312

            Dude….what does a stats nerd have anything to do with your argument? Hell, Cooper wasn’t far behind on the only numbers that mattered (deep target percentage vs catch rate). But sure….believe the guy whose stats indictate that Calvin Johnson sucks, that djax outplayed Josh Gordon last year and that boldin was far and away the top wr in the NFL last year. Where is your argument even coming from??? Oh…and by the way, his numbers are all shit. Torrey Smith was targeted deep on 32 percent of targets last year….djax was 27 percent, Cooper was 20 percent. Cooper and Jackson both caught over 40 percent of deep targets and under 50 percent. But hey…hide behind your fake numbers by a cap stats nerd.

          • Eagles4Life

            Your reading comprehension is relative to that of a JACKASS because no more than 20% of what you just said makes sense lol. Good grief, man. You’re worse than the people you’re calling idiots. Good night.

          • Philly0312

            The point is….you obviously don’t know anything about how football is played. You’ve ignored what I’ve actually said and stated stupid things in return. First….stats have little to do with where safeties were shaded during any particular play. Doing such in response to anything I’ve said either shows you don’t understand my arguments. Second, why don’t you double check the numbers you cite from a random eagles fan who calculated a bunch of random stats off of bad figures. Then why don’t you review the article and see where good wide receivers rank in the list…and ask why this is? Then read the bottom of the page where is is confused why his epa numbers don’t seem to add up. Third, them remember stats have little to do with djax lining up in the slot and/or at rb a lot to make it difficult to press him and to force the safety to cover him, and that often in those cases either they shaded to the outside wr…often cooper. So again…what are you talking about?

          • Eagles4Life

            Ok, idiot. I’ll break it down for you. For one, have you ever played football? I did from my elementary years through high school, primarily as a CB. What was your position? Second, the stats have to do with skillset, and you best believe defensive coordinators are aware of opposing players’ skillset on offense (at least those that are noteworthy). The “bad information” is not bad at all, because it highlights what it’s supposed to, DeSean’s SKILLSET. You can see from the damn STATS that DeSean’s deep pass rate was 40%. So the next questions are obviously, well how well does he perform on those since that’s an area of heavy focus for him in this offense and how does he compare to his peers in that realm? Hence, the numbers and comparisons by the “stats nerd.” So, not only is this guy a deep threat, but he’s damn fucking good at catching the ball deep. It’s that simple. All the other bullshit you’re talking can walk, because that was literally the only point that I was trying to make here because of THIS asinine statement by YOU:

            “What separated djax 2013 season from others had less to do with catching deep balls and more to do with catching quick screens and turning them into easy quick yards by making a guy miss and a nice tight rope here and there.”

            Got it now????????????????????

          • Philly0312

            Well…clown…I played wide receiver. And no..The stats mean nothing when they are inaccurate. The numbers you are citing are WRONG. I double checked them with profootballfocus.com’s deep passing signature stats. Stats that show both cooper and djax were very good last year with deep balls, but conflict very much with those cited in your weblink. Oh…and djax caught all of 16 deep balls last year (passes over 20 yards). The vast majority of his catches were with 7 yards of the LOS…which boosted his target efficiency. Again…NONE of this has anything to do with the reality that djax was rarely double teamed, and often chip schemed away the safety over the top (more than 30 percent of his deep balls came from the backfield or slot). But whatever. No one argued djax isn’t a deep threat, but arguing that without djax there is no deep threat is ridiculous (not an argument you made, but one others have made). At the end of the day…my point stands and you are incorrect. ..djax does not draw double coverage all the time, and often the safety wasn’t shaded his way.. because of scheme, route combos, etc, and there were plenty of times the safety was shaded to cooper and multiple times he pulled down deep balls in double coverage (in this sense I mean there were two guys covering him when the ball was coming down, not because he beat two guys to get open)

          • Eagles4Life

            LOL so you apparently hate “stats nerds,” but that’s who you go to in order to try and prove your point? Classic. Either way, if you’d like to disprove the numbers, show them to me. I’d be willing to take a look if you really do have something to refute the numbers. Either way, I agree that DeSean was used in a variety of ways, but that doesn’t negate the fact he garnered more attention from opposing players than say a Riley Cooper. Shading a safety over in man free is ONE example. The All 22s are there where you can see on many occasions that LBs and DBs are locked in and keeping themselves in position on DeSean and guys like Avant and Cooper are one on one in space with no other defender in the area. That’s fact, regardless of whether DeSean was coming out of the backfield, in the slot, motion, whatever. Period.

          • RIP illa

            Nicely done!!!

          • Coatesvillain

            Lewis had a lot of help in the Saints game. It was documented in the All-22 review here: http://nflspinzone.com/2014/01/10/new-orleans-saints-vs-philadelphia-eagles-22-film-review/

          • G_WallyHunter

            You Speak truth here, gonna be exciting to see what the hell they got planned to patch the hole

    • Tom w

      So easy we turn our back on the eagles. Cracks me up how “loyal” the fans are in This town.

      • Eagles4Life

        Ask Reggie and Dawkins about “loyalty.”

        • Hiral

          I 2nd that motion

      • Eagles1018

        You’re asking me to be loyal to an organization that releases one of its best offensive threats and doesn’t give any explanation whatsoever. Be loyal to a franchise that didn’t pursue one of the top free agents at safety in the past few years and have the owner say I would have wrote the check if the coach asked me to. Be loyal to an organization that hasn’t put a championship caliber team on the field in how long now? ’04 is the last time we went to the dance. And we’ve never won a Super Bowl. Despite all of that and being a native New Yorker that grew up with Giants fans I’ve remained loyal. And this is the thanks I get. This has been one of the most difficult off seasons for as long as I’ve followed this team. And I’ve got people that don’t even know me calling me disloyal. Seriously I’m pissed but I don’t want to call anyone out. So please just leave me alone.

        • Eagles4Life

          That’s real.

        • Andy124

          I would only advise to withhold judgment until you see how it plays out on the field. But nobody likes to be asked to wait. More than a little understandable.

        • Philly0312

          NFL Championship game in 2009. We should have went to the super bowl that year.

      • TripSquadMonopoly

        You. Out of line.

  • anon

    6 teams going after Djax, f-us honestly. We could have traded our early picks for more mid rounds but now we gotta use an early one on a WR – which i guess we were going to do anyway.

    • MediaMike

      Now we need a stud WR, a stud OLB, and a stud S. How does that work with only two picks in the first 2 rounds?

      • Tom w

        Don’t need a safety. Were gonna draft a wr anyway. Relax. World isn’t ending.

  • Tom w

    Too funny. Wait till the insurance company investigation gets completed they got a lot more on the line. Other shoe didn’t drop yet people. Irregardless we movin on. Those people who wanna bash the birds and cry and claim the world is gonna end line up and be counted.

    • MediaMike

      1
      Count me right now. I’m bashing the team for poor timing and a failure to replace talent with talent. Not For Long mentality steels all of us to the fact that no player will be around forever, but we now have zero starting quality WRs on this roster and zero chance to upgrade via free agency.

    • Eagles4Life

      #2 right here lol

    • Hiral

      Clearly you became an Eagle fan this year and your poor judgement of football decisions is clearly related in your comments. If as a team we can get past racial comments then we can get past allegedly gang affliction…..period… But I guess one situation isn’t severe as the other depending on who you ask ;)

  • Bullwinkle

    We will never know all of the details of why Jackson was released. A lot of things happen behind the scenes that go into a major decision like this. I have no doubt in my mind that the Eagles want to win. They decided that Jackson does not fit into their plans. I loved watching Jackson play when he was playing well. I will miss him. However, I am optimistic that the team will continue to improve. Football is Chip Kelly’s life and he does not like to lose.

    • MediaMike

      They owe us the details.

      • Philly0312

        They don’t owe you anything…and I am fairly certain djax feels the same way.

        • Caught Red Hernandez

          Considering without a fan base there would be no team in the first place, i would think the fans who spend hard-earned $$ on this ring-less organization are owed an explanation

          • Philly0312

            You are missing my point. I am sure given all that has gone down, there is a lot we don’t know, and I bet djax would prefer the Eagles keep a lot of why they did this private. The Eagles certainly owe a statement, but they don’t owe a full explanation, as some of their explanation could conceivably open them up to lawsuit

      • Bullwinkle

        Some things are personal and best kept confidential. What they do owe us is a winning team. That’s what I care about.

    • UncleCarm

      When Jackson was having a good game and things were clicking, Jackson was all smiles and you had the feeling anything could happen. On the other hand, if he was sad, mad, or pouting, you were pretty sure you weren’t getting anything else out of Jackson that day. It always seemed like feast or famine. He was fun to watch at a feast, but I won’t miss the famine: we need players that will go for 60 minutes no matter what the circumstances.

  • dislikedisqus

    Did the Ravens release RAy Rice after he was indicted?

    • Philly0312

      Should have as soon as the video went viral.

  • Dave

    And still no forced entry. So this gun just disappeared? No security system with 20k in cash laying around? Why take those. 3 things? Is that all that was in there? No other jewelry, no other valuable items? Just a gun a watch and cash.

    It could very well be legit. But it also seems like something isn’t quite right too. My gut is that this isn’t quite over yet…something is going to come out.

    One company statement from Desean after all this dirt is dropped on you? You remove the chip Kelly photo from instagram? Now its photos of you working out? Why? He so badly wants to say something but he can’t…why? If he did nothing wrong he can absolutely defend himself. Do they not want him to talk to possibly not incriminate himself?

    All questions, no answers. There is more coming out…one way or another

    • Hiral

      It’s amazing how we go from Eagle fans to detectives.. Now you have the whole case solved.

      • Dave

        Nothing in my initial comment says anything about solved. They are simply questions I have about all the events surrounding the robbery. It just seems way too perfect for a robbery. Also the reports coming out now saying no money was stolen only the gun (speculation again). Lots of unanswered questions…that’s all my first post was alluding too.

        • Jim

          Which reports are you referring to you? B/c if you are referring to a tweet by Eskin, then well, I’m not sure what to tell you other than official news sources will no longer stand behind his “reports.” And that isn’t a recent development.

          But why not embrace the smear campaign. It feels nice,

          • Dave

            Screw eskin. I’m referring to reports of people I’ve gotten credible information from in the past. One who claims the robbery was faked and is linked to other major concerns. I’m not ready to jump to conclusions I just have a lot of questions

            It goes from 200k to 20k. It goes from 125k in Jewelry to an 11k watch. The one constant thing was the gun…in all reports. I’m simply stating that I’m willing to bet there is more to this “robbery” than we are led to believe. Could I be wrong? Absolutely…but with the recent information and events that have surrounded jackson it’s not so far fetched to think the “robbery” was faked or part of something else.

  • Philly0312

    If McCoy gets hurt…I’ll worry. Til then, my money is still on the Eagles putting up more points next year than in 2013

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    LOL.

    There goes that theory.

    SMH.

    SO wait….the media mis-represented something?

    No. Never that.

    • laeagle

      So, after this happens, you’re still on the “media mis-represented” kick? Today something happened that everyone’s been saying wouldn’t happen because the media was just mis-representing. Didn’t today just prove that actually, in fact, they weren’t?

      The fact that we’re now reading $20k instead of $200k is because the police came out and said THEY GOT THE AMOUNT WRONG. So unless the “media” now includes the police, what are you crying about?

      Don’t get me wrong, I think this whole situation is ridiculous. But people love to just lump everything together into one big ball to cry about, even when some of the things they’re lumping together aren’t true.

      You want to cry about Jackson being released? Fine. Don’t cry about the media mis-representing the fact that the Eagles were thinking of releasing jackson.

      You want to cry about the fact that it’s not $200k that was stolen, but $20k, fine. Don’t cry about the media or the team mis-representing that, when it was the police who came out and said “when we told everyone $200k we were wrong, it was actually $20k”.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        What are you talking about?

        • laeagle

          You’re poking fun at the media for mis-representing again. You’re essentially saying, “here they go again”.

          My point is, we now know that they WERE NOT mis-representing anything with the DeSean situation, much to our tragedy.

          My further point is, that if you’re accusing the media of mis-representing around this dollar amount in the burglary, you’re completely off base. The media was reporting exactly what the police told them. The police today said “what we told the media and everyone else before was wrong”. No misrepresentation at all.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Sigh

            I’m talking about the reports earlier of insurance fraud and him being investigated for filing false reports and other such nonsense.

            Way to go on reprimanding me though. SMH.

          • laeagle

            That is not at all what your post said. At all.

            “There goes that theory…the media misrepresented something? No, never that.”

            In response to an article about the dollar amount.

            So now you claim you were actually talking about something else. Earlier reports. But that’s not what you said. Either you’re changing your argument now, or you simply didn’t communicate your original point in any way close to what you claim to have been saying.

          • Andy124

            Yeah, but dude. She sighed. Clearly that would only happen if your points were tiresome and beneath her. She must have won. Don’t you see?

          • laeagle

            It’s the shaking of the head that burns me to the core of my soul.

          • Andy124

            When someone shakes their head at me, I know I must have said something stupid. :/

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            *rolls eyes*

            Troll alert.

          • Andy124

            Oh snap. She rolled her eyes. I really must be stoopid. It’s a gosh darn miracle I can work a keyboard.

            Sharrel(sp?), I’m sorry if I’m unkind. You know I usually try to keep it playful and we’ve shared a few laughs here. But, well, *Forrest Gump voice* That’s all I’ve got to say about that.

          • Andy124

            BlindChow sighting!

            If you’re reading this, you are missed friend.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            So you’re going to tell me what I was talking about? You SOUGHT to reprimand me for something I wasn’t implying. When I explain to you what I was talking about…you reprimand me some more b/c it was clear to you?

            Really?

            I KNOW what I was referring to you. It wasn’t about the dollar amount. I was unaware that I needed to make that clear so as NOT to be reprimanded by the Internet police.

            Absolutely ridiculous.

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      LOL
      IDK
      IMO
      SMH
      LMFAO

      I think I just said something witty but in fact said nothing.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        You’re right. You didn’t say anything.

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          Well at least you can detect your own brand.

          • Andy124

            Oh, you said something alright. And I’m sure she knows exactly what you’re saying. :)

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Still following me around I see. Just can’t get enough can you.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            No what I detect is a BS artist who had nothing to say, but couldn’t bring himself not to speak.

  • Sum

    It’s amazing how dismissive some people are of the judgement of those in the Eagles FO. All we really know is what is obvious to us: DeSean is a top flight weapon and played exceptionally well last season.

    The truth is we don’t know 99.9% of the goings on related to this release. Reading the histrionics on this board, you would think we had some major regression last season. The franchise is in good hands. 90% of winning football games is getting everyone on the same page, knowing their assignments, and that requires that the team buy in to what the staff is preaching. If DeSean was contravening those goals then he had to go, no matter how good he was. If he head a liability off the field, all the more reason.

    • Sum

      I can say with reasonable certainty that this wasn’t about money or ego for the eagles. They think this is better for the long term future of the franchise with respect to WINNING.

    • anon

      I read a lot of eagles stories I never heard anything about discord in the lockerroom after the initial Kelly djax talk. If it was so bad you’d think wed have heard something.

      • Andy124

        Very good at keeping secrets.

      • dislikedisqus

        The lukewarm supports from teammates suggest there were real issues.

      • Sum

        Did you know that Trot lit up Tony Hunt in a non contact drill during his last practice with the Eagles (when he knew he was being cut)? He then launched his helmet like 50 yards and walked off the field.

        They don’t report a lot of stuff.

  • TNA

    Dear DeSean:
    Some team will hire you so you don’t need me or anybody else wishing you luck in that regard. But I do wish you luck in life. Your life sounds muy complicated. From my armchair psychoanalyst perspective, it sounds like you want a complicated life. Above all, you want respect. Whether that respect comes in the form of street cred, contract money, or “dating” celebrities, you constantly look, talk and act like you’re being disrespected. Maybe you like notoriety. Maybe you like the feeling of being a bad ass and having friends who are gangsters. Or maybe it’s all just a front. Who knows. Whatever it is, it sounds complicated. Too complicated, indeed, to be genuine.
    Here’s the thing. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You’re like the guy who does things not out of your own passion but because you think it’ll get you the attention and respect you want. Like the guy who learns lines from movies not because he appreciates the movie or script, but because he thinks he can use them to be funny and maybe get laid. That kind of motivation is not sustainable because it’s artificial. Quipping a movie might get you laid and maybe even married, but you’ll get divorced eventually.
    There’s a word for this. It’s called being shallow. And it’s tragic because it makes your life full of complications and situations like getting released after having a career year.
    I’ve said enough. Too much really.

    Some additional random thoughts:
    1) After the Pats’ Super Bowls in the early 2000s, bob kraft was hot on the speaker circuit. He would go to small and big gatherings and share his secrets of winning while passing his ring around the gathering. One of the principles of building a successful team? He stressed that the Pats held character in higher regard than any other skill or attribute in a player. He often told the story how they cut a touted draftee before camp because of a misdemeanor charge and how that was an example of them sticking to their principles. Then they went and hired Corey Dillon and won the 2004 championship with him. Maybe because of their success in “reforming” or being able to absorb a questionable character, they then got Randy Moss. Then they got Hernandez. Given that they haven’t won a Super Bowl since 2004, maybe Kraft should have listened to his own talking points.
    2) I wonder what Avant has to say about this whole situ?
    3) Any Eagle that was on the team (cough Maclin) when DeSean basically gave up and stopped trying because of what he thought was a sign of disrespect due to a lack of $$$ shouldn’t want DeSean on the team. Who wants to go to war with someone who might pull that? That’s the ultimate sign of putting yourself ahead of the team and/or winning.

    • Andy124

      Holy crap. As soon as I read this post I had to hit refresh because Disqus told me it was from Hiral and I knew that couldn’t be the case. Would have actually been pretty damn cool if it was. lol

      And if anybody can get laid via movie quotes, damn bitches be dumb.

      I’m a lot more forgiving than your point #3, but a lot of good thoughts here. Thanks.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Great post, Screw Desean he’s gone what’s done is done who cares if we were fans or not, he’s gone, go get em Chip

      • Andy124

        Damn Canadians are quick through the 5-stages of grief! I should have known from Robin.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Hahaha its these damn mild spells.. I think signing a QB with a 1:1 int:td ratio had something to do with it too, made me not give a %+@# anymore..

          But seriously, screw it, we can all hope that more things come out and this decision looks better and better. Someone mentioned on here the apparent burglar was found dead? I guess this article squashes that news eh?

          Chips been going to every damn pro day, he’s doing his research, lets hope first round is still used on D and he finds a gem like Keenan Allen in 2 3 or 4… Gonna be real exciting to see what they do now that there’s a whole new position of need thrown into the mix.. I feel the same way Kelce feels right now … Btw who’s robin

          • Andy124

            BBBBAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR

          • G_WallyHunter

            U into the CC?

          • Andy124

            Nope. Not into gangs or closed captioning.

          • G_WallyHunter

            I was referring to the whisk

          • Andy124

            I have no idea what that means. Is it related to Russia? Or something you beat eggs with?

          • G_WallyHunter

            The great canadian club, sorta not so great but sometimes

          • Andy124

            If it involves Crosby, I wouldn’t go bragging about it, no matter how badass he is at hockey.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Canadian Club whiskey brother, screw Sidney

          • Andy124

            well ok then. We’re good.

          • Andy124

            Robin Scherbatsky is a character from an American Sit Com called ‘How I Met Your Mother’. The character is a native Canadian living in New York where they have indoor plumbing and electricity and everything, even occasional hockey games on what we call “TV”. I think you’d find it wildly fascinating. ;)

          • G_WallyHunter

            Is that the wife?
            She is one hawt canuck then, just like Rachel mcadams
            Y’all watch hockey? I thought that was just on this side of the 100th meridian where the great plains begin, drivin down a curdoroy road, weeds standin shoulder high, ferris wheel is rusted.. off in the distance.. AT THE HUNDREDTH MERIDIAN

          • Andy124

            Pretty sure I’m missing all kinds of humor here. But I like the game on ice with sticks where they try to get that burnt biscuit into a net past that Jason mask wearing character. I just think it’s the bee’s knee’s when they randomly decide to punch each other in the face and what not. Those whacky kids. I just wish that Holgren feller weren’t so intent on trading good young assets for mediocre defensemen. :)

          • G_WallyHunter

            Who the hell is Barney. And no missed humor just go type in ‘at the hundredth meridian’ in youtube and press play.. won’t regret it… Hockeys fun I guess, parents forced me with a whip to play since I could crawl, not quite as passionate as u are for it

          • Andy124

            Played a lot of street hockey as a kid. Can’t skate a lick though. Barney is one of Ted’s best friends.

          • Andy124

            She just married Barney. And she is hot.

        • G_WallyHunter

          What ever happened to nicksaenz? Is that nickS1?

          • Andy124

            Changed his name to lookinatmyguccimane. Didn’t go anywhere. :)

          • G_WallyHunter

            Oh well then, makes sense, in the last month or two this site has seen a huge influx in new commenters, some sneaky trollers, I’ve lost track of where all the originals have gone.

            Do u remember back to a time there were 30, if that, regular, quality contributors? I do. It was glorious

          • Andy124

            Nope, relatively speaking I could be called a newb. 2 years year max. Maybe a little less.

          • G_WallyHunter

            2 years basically qualifies as original, not sure how long I’ve been coming here but probably since late 2011, would have to go check the first post anyways, and back then I’d almost skip the article to the comments (but obviously not because the quality of the article was why I went, u get the point)

          • anon

            Gets real quiet during offseason o when we aren’t winning

          • G_WallyHunter

            See that’s the thing maybe its just chip HA.. as it was really quiet when Big Red and the great collapse of 2011/2012 was goin on… This is the noisiest offseason I’ve seen here, these two writers are getting way too much exposure and attention!!!

    • anon

      Nice post sounds like you knew the guy well. The sb point is especially well taken. Cant think of any recent sb champs with questionable characters on their team. Like the saying goes nice guys finish first.

      • Andy124

        Really, even with Seattle and that infamous thug Richard Sherman from Stanford? ;)

        • oreofestar

          Rich is the man

          • Richard Colton

            Damn right

        • G_WallyHunter

          Hey if theres anything we won’t miss it will be Desean’s hilarious attempts at proper use of the english language….
          Wait, I’m going to miss that

        • anon

          Haha I guess no one caught my sarcasm. Beast mode basically was desean when in buffalo. They have like 8 guys suspended. Ravens are full of shady characters. I could go on.

          • Andy124

            Guilty. Completely missed it.

    • cheapmeat

      The term you’re looking for is ‘Napoleon complex,’ apparently the French encourage basket catching and quitting on jump balls…

  • oreofestar

    Desean is a f***ing mercenary whoever offers the most money wins DESEAN DON’T GIVE NO DISCOUNTS so he will be a Raider :P

  • oreofestar

    I had a horrible thought earlier about the 49ers and there plethora of picks moving up to get Mike Evans, they freaking scare me because hey are stacked and have a ton of picks so they can move up and down however the hell they want I think they really need a corner but I would not put it past them to go up and grab Evans or Watkins or jump us for Cooks or ODB

    • GEAGLE

      I wouldnt worry about that…they havent replaced Whitner, and this draft isnt deep with safety,..they moving up to secure a safety, just like last year
      ..
      Plus their corner Culliver got arrested for a hit and run and weapons possesion last night

      • oreofestar

        they do have Bethea who could start for them and those bastards must be salivating at the chance to crush my dreams

        • GEAGLE

          They signed bathea?

          They may be desperate for Cj Mosely for some early season Navarro Bowman insurance

          • oreofestar

            Yeah they signed Antoine on the first day of FA my though is if I were them they need a corner bad they already had average at best corners and then Brown left if I were them I would trade up for Gilbert but knowing them I would not put it past them to take ODB or Evans even if they shouldn’t

          • GEAGLE

            Dont see them desperate for Evans..vernon davis is the same player…They need speed to blow the top off a defense… They have big possession wr crabnuts….thats a team that could use Cooks or ODB of course

          • oreofestar

            the 49ers are just freaking annoying though because of those picks and if they like a wr they will get him I can see it now them trading up to 21 and taking ODB uuuuuugh

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah them being able to leap us for a falling player is freightening….lets say Barr falls, with all that aldon smith issues, i can see them steal barr right from under our nose

          • oreofestar

            yeah I always have to account for them but my thought is they need a corner really bad, if Dennard is available and they like him they could jump the Jets(the team I always mock Dennard to) and get him or even better they could jump up ahead of Detroit for Gilbert and just give Buffalo 2 2s and a 4 or something

          • cliff henny

            had a ton of picks last 2 yrs, really haven’t done a great job. know they have couple red shirt guys. kaeps contract will change everything by ’15

          • GEAGLE

            They used pics to move up and secure a replacement for Goldson which looks like a good move,.,

            But yeah, they probably should have done better with all that firepower….

            Margus Hunt is a player that eats away at me…hate that the BUNGALS have him

          • cliff henny

            we’ll see but eric reid wasn’t exactly stellar last season, with a ton of help. see what happens as it erodes away thru natural nfl attrition. SF doesn’t scare me, seattle, they aren’t going anywhere for awhile

          • oreofestar

            SF does not scare me in fact Seattle is the only team in NFC that scares me but SF sure as hell scares me on draft day because they can move ANYWHERE THEY WANT if they want Mack they will get him if they want Pryor he is theirs same with Watkins, Gilbert and everyone else

          • cliff henny

            yup. just cause they haven’t done well doesn’t mean they cant turn it around. they done great job of giving themselves a ton of leeway. don’t think eagles can catch either sea or sf this year, but solid move above car, no and gb would be ideal. then ’15, guess it’s all about foles in ’14 and loading up for ’15 for me.

          • oreofestar

            I disagree we are already above CAR they lost their whole secondary, wrs and LT they no longer worry me they got worse….like have trouble making the playoffs worse and I think with a good enough draft we can pass SF NOW

          • cliff henny

            gotta see it on the field. today on paper, sure/maybe, but that D is still rather stacked. SF, maybe, we do know that it’s hard to stay on top for more than 3or4 yrs, way nfl is set-up. window has to being closing. guess question is can they reload on the fly while paying keep 20m.

          • oreofestar

            Their front seven is stacked but that secondary looks awful right now they lost 3 starter on an average secondary and brought in Roman Harper so their average secondary now looks worse than ours and I am not joking when I say that it is much worse

          • cliff henny

            great! hate cam and panthers. i’m ust saying nfceast title, home playoff win, and i’m pretty happy. ’12 wasn’t that long ago.

          • oreofestar

            AAAH Hell with that I want to go all the way, you always have to hope, the Panthers destroyed their secondary, and offense with Gross, Captain, Mitchell, SMith, Lafell and others all leaving but Seattle is the real goal I hope we get that 10 sack pass rusher with a good wr because that along with development of guys could be all we need to get up and give SEA all they got

          • cliff henny

            20-0 win by 20+ every game, that’s my pipedream hopes. but realistic goal

  • oreofestar

    Damn why is the draft so freaking late… I hate it

    • G_WallyHunter

      Its like 10 or so days later big whoop!!

      • oreofestar

        2 more weeks of agony lol :P

        • G_WallyHunter

          Ya its true, hear that, but whatever, it will come soon enough just like Walleye season :D

          • oreofestar

            Man…if you guys thought I was bad before FA just you wait til May 7th

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya the inevitable, the phenomenal writers that these two are have simple been exposed too much

          • oreofestar

            I will eventually break down and become borderline insane pre-draft that is just how I roll, and then I will either be pleased or go on my post free agency meltdown

          • G_WallyHunter

            Bro I’ve told u don’t invest so much like that into a bunch of millionaires throwing a ball around, its a great sport to watch and I love cheering for the Eagles but cmon, there’s a point where you say to yourself, “alright, who gives a $#!^, this game in no way affects my life besides a bunch of unwanted stress and whatever decisions they make has nothing to do with me as one of 7 billion people crawling this earthship waiting to explode from stupidity and greed”.. ever sit back and think that to yourself?

          • oreofestar

            Oh yeah I think it the only reason why I kept calm during the DJAX stuff today and tried to look forward didn’t even feel like getting mad about it, when the Eagles win a superbowl I can rest a little more :P they will always be on my mind but I am not here 24/7 for a reason because well like everyone else I have a life but when I am here I am not just gonna sit here :P

          • G_WallyHunter

            Yup agreed there, just don’t actually stress over it not worth it, sure they lost a damn probowler today, but hey I’m one of the ones who thinks CK will find out how to patch up the hole anyways, so screw it, he’s gone, my desean jersey can go in the “yesterdays” rack while I order a Kendricks or Boykin, Maybe should wait for one or both to get their extension before obtaining one

          • oreofestar

            Aaaah don’t go Boykin I don’t think he is here long term unless they let him outside and yeah DJAX was my favorite player so it hurts but I am trying to get over it because I do not feel like thinking about it

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya him and Vick both great jerseys gonezo, Agreed on Boykin maybe get Sproles HA

          • oreofestar

            Sproles will only be here 2 seasons I might go for Kendricks I would seriously think about getting an Ertz jersey

  • oreofestar

    Jeez 49ers have 6 picks in first 3 round and really just need DBs and WRs if I were them i would trade up for HAHA or Gilbert but knowing them wanting to crush my dreams they will jump us for ODB or jump up high into top 10 and get Evans

    • G_WallyHunter

      What is a scenario where Chip jumps into top 10 for Evans?
      I don’t want to know what would be given to get there, it would be damn hilarious though and would be just as exciting as when they jumped up to get Cox, or should I say jumped on the Cox?
      Anyways, point is that’d be EXCITING

      Disclaimer: not saying it’s in any way shape or form realistic to be thinking this

      • oreofestar

        It could happen I even wanted it yesterday a lot I think it is a possibility if an opportunity presents itself but likely not the team would likely be Detroit that we would trade with and that would cost us either a 2 or a 3/6 combo or something of that nature which is pretty expensive when we do not have a lot of picks but I would not be against it but it probably makes more sense to hope Cooks or ODB is at 22 but if they LOVE Evans then go for it but I would not count on it

        • G_WallyHunter

          Ya hell no, and given how much researching Chip and co are putting in I’d much rather they keep that 2 and 3 and even 4
          We have what 6 picks now? Damn that sucks, lets see how well this staff picks some sleepers in later rounds, damn excited for it

          • oreofestar

            Yeah if we had 8 or 9 picks I’d be all for trading up for Evans but we don’t maybe if we find a way to get more picks the thought could come back up but as it stands nah

    • Andy124

      That’s stupid. If I were them, I’d trade every one of my draft picks plus half my defense for Casey Matthews. And I’d send half my homosexual population for entertainment purposes, because Casey is just that valuable.

      • oreofestar

        WOAH WOAH all of that for Casey are you high and Andy, Casey is not worth anything……….unless you package him with SCONCES those 2 could get my boy Willis, Reid and all their 2nds and 3rds

  • Will

    DeSean is gone get over it move on nothing brings him back good luck to DeSean but he brought this on himself….Birds of a feather flock together…wish him well but the Eagles will be just fine were good there…time’s yours….

  • GEAGLE

    Of course he wasnt claiming to have 200K in his house…like come on? If Tupac was alive, even he would have a bank account and twitter account today

    • Eagles4Life

      Lol up early, aren’t we?

      • GEAGLE

        Please this isnt early :) 5am run every morning

  • GEAGLE

    How much did the eagles not want chris clemons? Two years a row we passed on him, he signed a two year 2.7m deal with Texans,,,,

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      Because he sucks!

      • GEAGLE

        TWSS

        Preaching to ghe choir…i hate that dude.. But legions of birds fans were convinced he was good lol
        .
        Nickle CB corey graham got 4yrs 16 mil, and a young starting safety got 2yrs 2.7….like thats Knowshon level suckary

  • GEAGLE

    And reports suggest Desean might sign for more than the 10mil we were paying him…hhahahahahahagh lost a tradeable asset because a news story spooked us. What a joke

    • cliff henny

      Lurie got played.

      • GEAGLE

        Sure looks like we couldnt overcome the media crap storm and get value for him…..we got OWNED in that hand of poker

    • Eagles4Life

      An OLD news story at that. Sometimes I get the impression that we really don’t want a Super Bowl.

    • Token

      Thats not the reason at all. Sorry that another Book It went wrong for you. You are batting .050 this offseason.

  • GEAGLE

    Desean got a THUGLIFE tattoo on his forehead last night

    Wish we could hear the phone call chip made to desean

  • oreofestar

    *stretch* G’Mornin’, Desean eh….

  • GEAGLE

    While niners CB is getting arrested for weapons charges and a hit and run last night, we lost our Probowl WR in his prime for making finger puppets?

    • oreofestar

      I was talking about the Niners yesterday and how they are going to be able to get any player they want, just don’t touch my wrs!!!

    • cliff henny

      don’t mind the moving on, sounds like jax did about everything humanly possible within the law to warrant it. but lurie taking another moral high road in not getting picks pisses me off. he’s way to wrapped up in this non-existant gold standard garbage. he really think that teams checking into jax didn’t put top investigator on why 27 yr old prime of career pro bowler is being made available? these are all 1b+ companies, they can find jimmy Hoffa if they wanted too.

      • GEAGLE

        Absolutely…i can get over D-shawn….but you couldnt get a friggin 6th round pic for him?

        I cant get over only having 6 pics and losing are most tradeable asset for nothings…

        • Eagles4Life

          I don’t know, man. I’m about at my wits end with this franchise. I don’t like the handling of the situation overall, and it seems like Chip Kelly is almost teetering on the side of hubris as opposed to confidence. DeSean ain’t a damn rookie. He’s been in the org 6 years…SIX. And let’s not act like he is some horrible guy; he’s got SEVERAL sectors to his foundation and he has been active in the community both in Philly and back in Cali. None of these quote unquote concerns are new. Andy dealt with him, and he did a hell of a job at it. Benched or checked him when needed, and the relationship worked. THAT’S leadership. Not saying, I want everyone of like mind AND personality. That’s ridiculous. There’s an array of personality and behavior types, and to me, it seems as though Chip is only interested in dealing with specific ones. Not only is that close-minded, but it also hamstrings the franchise from getting potentially great players. “A genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus, but a molder of consensus.” Some people take more molding than others. And if he was willing to do it for Riley, he could have done it for DeSean. Chip would probably have cut Charles Haley, Jerome Brown, or Deion Sanders too, the way this is looking.

          • cliff henny

            in fairness to chip, he didn’t only deal with choir boys at Oregon.

          • Eagles4Life

            Which begs the questions even more. Is this how he is now that he’s been given the keys to run things his way completely without boosters, dept heads, etc. or is he trying something brand new? If it’s either one or a question I haven’t posed, I still think it could prove problematic.

          • GEAGLE

            That theory will be disproved when he trades BG for a 6th round pick and drafts Lyerla

          • cliff henny

            think it’s combo of jax being toxic in different forms, Kelly locker room, lurie seeing gang junk, and probably most importantly, Howie in the contract. jax was 0/3

  • cliff henny

    better have one hell of a draft and hope Kelly is offensive genius we think he is. lot more confidence in latter.

  • GEAGLE

    Like WTF are the eagles going to do? Just no comment desean questions for the rest of their lives? Need answers

    • oreofestar

      It’s done we lost a top 10 wr in his prime for nothing over reports of affiliation with gangs despite the fact he has never been arrested, we got fleeced

      • GEAGLE

        Thats the poorest hand of poker i ever seen played

        • oreofestar

          I just really hope he goes to AFC and not NE, KC does not bother me they are not even that good despite what people think, Oakland would be ideal, NY whatever I’d never see him maybe even the Browns that would be fun to watch

        • Miketd1

          Even if you bluff and lose, it serves a purpose: It let’s everyone at the table know you’re capable of bluffing. Similarly, cutting DeSean serves notice that no one is above THE TEAM (well, maybe Foles & McCoy..)

          • cliff henny

            getting a 5th does same thing. my issue is lurie, not moving on from jax, though not doing flips over that either

          • oreofestar

            Foles and Mccoy nah one more incident out of any of them and we trade them for a 6th unless no one bites then we cut them of course and them smear them and make them look bad because…class

  • Dan

    The bottomline is the Eagles didn’t want to pay him more than 10 million this season. Since they couldn’t trade him they needed a reason to cut him. These are all the reasons….

    • oreofestar

      I do not think it was a money thing they did not like his attitude or work ethic or fit with locker room and Chip then there hands were probably forced when they were made aware of some of the reports that were to come out and that killed it

    • cliff henny

      fine, get picks. lurie trying to sell that he couldnt drop eagles problem on another team is ridiculous. how many coaches are working for other teams that know jax over past 5 yrs. but nfl is a lot smaller and tighter than we canever imagine. 32 1b+ companies i’ll bet work pretty close together, serious grey areas we never hear about
      .
      come out, say you cut him for money and spite, don’t continuously hide behind gold standard bs.

  • Miketd1

    Whatever. Ertz, Maclin, & Sproles — you’re up. Also, it’s not like DeSean was burning DBs off the line. In fact, he would get owned more often than not against press coverage (which is why Chip had to get creative, deploying him in the backfield). Most of his huge gains came where he was wide open by play design rather than by supreme individual skill (just like Cooper!). I’m upset we lost a “plus” player and even more mad that we got nothing for him, but let’s not go overboard here — his production WILL be replaced. Mark it down.

    • Joe L

      His production may get replaced by a couple guys, but without him they lack a very explosive element that they had. There’s no denying that.

      • cliff henny

        can draft a speed guy. though if Kelly wants ball out in 1.5 secs, jax 4.3 wanting to be 20+ yards downfield in worthless. Kelly doesn’t value jax’s skillset at 10m, fine, but smear campaign and dumping him for nothing, just garbage.

        • oreofestar

          I agree on the latter just stupid….and yeah Cooks or ODB could take over Jax role not necessarily his production but his role at least

          • Joe L

            I don’t see Kelly drafting another guy as small as DeSean like Cooks though. Maybe in round 3 a mega fast guy like Paul Richardson who stands right around 6’0.

          • GEAGLE

            The first WR we draft will be atleast 6’2

          • oreofestar

            so no ODB

          • GEAGLE

            He is the one smaller guy, well versed enough that i can see us drafting…..no cooks

          • Joe L

            So the first WR we draft may not be 6’2?

          • GEAGLE

            Personally I think ODB is the only smaller guy that could entice us enough early to pass on all these quality prospects like moncreif, A rob, Mathews, KB who bring that size and speed element which Chip defines as an ELITE WR in the NFL…
            ..
            If thats what our coach views as an Elite WR, and there will be a handful of those guys that dont get drafted in the top 20, im assuming it will take a really special smaller WR who brings more then a deep ball threat, for Chip to pass on prospects with that Elite size/speed element….I view ODB as special enough..runs every route, tough, clutch hands…

            Not to mention, having sproles and ODB on ST makes us scary!

          • GEAGLE

            Ability to beat man coverage will also be crucial for chip

          • Ark87

            Especially press-man, I get the feeling that we’re going to see more and more of that to disrupt the timing on some of those option routes.

          • GEAGLE

            From the owners meeting: “WR need to be able to beat man coverage, because we will see a ton of it next year”-chip

          • cliff henny

            Kelly wants defenses in m2m single high, that’s how he made his bones. he knows you’ve cracked when go to zones or double high safeties.

          • GEAGLE

            Exactly

          • oreofestar

            I want Evans, ODB, a lot in round 1 but how likely is that anymore so I may just be settling for guys like Cooks and Lee if we have too= but then there is my boy Matthews in round and your guy Moncrief

          • cliff henny

            can walk with 2. they’ll be available. guys down in 5thand 6th that’ll work. bg and bb need moved asap.

          • oreofestar

            Yeah it is very likely they draft 2 WRs/TEs maybe Coleman from Rutgers or Cody Lattimore or Josh Huff in the late rounds or Landry, Matthews, Moncrief/ Adams on say 2 or ODB, Cooks or an EVnas or Watkins trade up if they like him but Evans just seems toooooo perfect fro Chip

          • cliff henny

            have to draft replacement guys. Mac on 1-yr and talent in draft, see wr early. cole and ryans need help. then celek-guess could wait a yr here. herremanns is about fried, that’s 1-4/5. need more picks!

          • oreofestar

            I still think the way boards are starting to shape that we go wr 1st round and then again in the 5-7 and I think LBs will be a big day 2 focus, guard will be a thing we draft later if at all and same with TE unless an Ebron falls or Jenkins falls to us and then S will probably be a 4-5 round investment unless Bucannon falls to our second pick because the FO have shown lots of interest

          • cliff henny

            makes sense, be down w/ wr, lb,lb, wr, s 1-5, still like to get picks for bg and bb in 5th/6th, always need trench guys. just don’t know what they think of backup oline guys, never saw them play.

          • oreofestar

            I would be on the floor crying tears of joy if we got 5th for either one

          • cliff henny

            true, just hoping. take 6th/7th, anything. no picks for jax is killing me

          • oreofestar

            Damn I want to hurt everyone in the media right now if their hands weren’t forced we could have waited it out and hell used DJAX to trade up and get Evans

          • GEAGLE

            I think it’s more likely we go two WRs in the first 4 rounds…

            Class is so deep with serious WR talent(some needing more time to develop than others…that even after we draft a WR in round 1, they will see WRs available in round 3, who in normal draft would be high second round talents…so a WR in round 3 will most likely be very difficult for them to pass up, even if we add one in round 1
            ..
            Better take Marcus Smith at 53, because the second defender we draft probably ain’t coming til the 4th

          • oreofestar

            Marcus,KVN, Attaochu in round 2 in that order

          • GEAGLE

            Totally agree…but I’m still pipe dream praying for KVN and Marcus…the only way that has any chance of happening is if a team with two second round picks want to trade back into round 1’for a QB that falls…

            The one thing that gives me hope, is that there is a good chance the Browns get cute, don’t draft a QB in the top 5, and are counting on drafting one with the pick they got from the colts, which is I think #24?…so hopefully a team in round two wants to Jump the browns and steal a falling QB like Teddy away from them. Think it’s VERY IMPORTANT for us to see the browns not draft a QB with the 4th pick…whether they want a QB or not at 24 doesn’t matter, teams will perceive them too anyway…pray that Teddy or Carr are on the board when we pick, especially if ODB,Donald,Evans or Barr don’t fall to 22

          • oreofestar

            you see but I kinda of want Browns to pick up QB at 4 because then it pushes Watkins down which will in tern push Evans down putting him in trade up range and the more QBs taken the more WRs fall which couldmean ODB AND Cooks are there when we pick I think we have to hope that there are some good wrs left in second round so that can prevent run on Lbs and we get Marcus or KVN but I could settle Attaochu

          • GEAGLE

            Spending a 1st and a 3rd on a WR in THIS draft would really suck!!, and that’s the LEAST it would ever cost to go up and get Evans(we would probably have to throw in later round picks or 2015 picks)

            I would love to get Evans and Marcus…but would we be ok with only being left with a 4th,5th and 7th?
            ..
            Coming away with only 4 players not drafted in the 7th round of Such a deep draft would really really really suck man…
            ….
            If Chip Kelly REALLY wants Mike Evans, almost rather give raiders your 2015 first round pick and go get him!! Come away from this draft with 4-5 good draft picks, few of which are NFL ready to produce from day 1 like Evans, and hopefully our first rounder won’t be a high pick next year

          • oreofestar

            To be honest I still think they will try and get more picks but hell if it take a 3 this year and a mid – late picknext year and they are IN LOVE with Evans then whatever but I really hope ODB falls to us

          • oreofestar

            Well in fairness Cooks is about an inch taller 10-15 pounds heavier and from what I know a character guy with speed that rivals Desean so it is just a thought, I would take him over Benjamin I do not care about him but I would love ODB way more and there still the outside shot of trading up for Cliff’s guy Mike who would be Kelly’s dream wr

          • cliff henny

            who knows. sure Kelly tailored offense last year to showcase talent, he’s smart coach. not like reid, in offense is offense. just cause he can make it work doesn’t mean he sees it as optimal. they didn’t want to pay jax 10m, simple as that in my mind.

          • GEAGLE

            YUP!!

        • GEAGLE

          I dont anticipate that speed guy until the later rounds….

          after the media got him to say a few nice words about D-shawn at the owners meeting, he says, “those WRs who have that speed element and the size element are the elite WRs in this league”

          Leades me to believe the WR we draft will be atleast 6’2 and run no slower than 4.54

  • GEAGLE

    Wish we would go make a splash and pry one of problem childs away, Josh Gordon/Justin Blacmon….but they would never fit “the Gold standard” lol

    • oreofestar

      Yeah we would just cut them immediately :P Josh actually seems like a really good kid though from what I saw of him yesterday on NFL Network, we do not have enough picks as it is though

      • GEAGLE

        Right…surpised how he carries himself…not just yesterday, but he always seems like a good kid when he speaks…..
        ,,
        We “rehab fellons” give other teams players “second chances” but we lose our best WR?

        • oreofestar

          Well yeah not just yesterday but when I see alot of these tatted up kids like him and then he had a drug thing I would think he would be Desean-like in nature but he is a very composed, very good kid

          • GEAGLE

            Agreed…

          • oreofestar

            And…about Desean I want to believe there is other stuff we do not know I really hope that we did not just cut him on projecting future stuff

          • GEAGLE

            Like I said, when all the smoke clears we will learn that he is just a street cred seeking wannabe idiot, not some criminal…so we lost him because he uses sign language and is an idiot….if someone signs him to good money, I’m going to lose my mind that we don’t have an extra pick

          • oreofestar

            It sucks, and I was talking about day 2 picks I freaking wish… at this point I just have to hope KC r OAK or SD or one of those teams that we will not play for years gets him

        • Ark87

          We cut him projecting what his future will bring rather than what he may have done in his past…..each rehab felon and second chance we give, we gave with more hope for change in the future than we did for DJax (which is why I think another shoe has to drop at some point, right?)…well that and we didn’t have a crap load of cash invested in them.

          • GEAGLE

            How does not paying Desean his 10mil next season have any impact on our cap? We ain’t doing anything with the money we saving…

            I would expect “future projections” that he would be even better his second year in this offense, especially with more weapon making it harder to always roll coverage his way

            I really don’t care that he isn’t an eagle..I care that we still only have 6 pics, and there is no one we could possibly trade that will fetch us anything of value..
            ..
            I care that we allowed ourselves to be strong armed by Elliot SHar hack Parker…if he never released that story, We would be holding onto Desean hoping someone would bite…Don’t like allowing media to force our hand

          • Ark87

            not talking football, talking projecting the issues for which we booted his ass out. as for the money, when we take a character risk, typically it’s paired with a no risk contract. Too much invested in desean for him to be acting the fool, tempting suspension by throwing gang signs, out!

  • GEAGLE

    Desean is currently on the radio with eskin…but im too disgusted to listen

  • GEAGLE

    PFT tweets “unnamed eagles say Desean wont be hard to replace”

  • RIP illa

    Ok, I see you guys been going mad hard since last night. What did I miss?
    Cops have cleared DJax about the home burglary thing??? weird…I already said as much.
    The amount was completely over exaggerated??? Not surprised. It shouldn’t have mattered anyway! I can’t/won’t judge a man for what he keeps in his home, save for kiddie porn, enough guns to raise an army, WMDs, and kryptonite!!!

    Are the Eagles and media still releasing and trying to dig up dirt on DJax? Has this turned to full blown smear campaign?

    • GEAGLE

      Media doing the smearing for the eagles…eagles are all bunkered up in hiding

      • RIP illa

        Sigh…to be expected I guess. I don’t think they’re gonna find the mythical smoking gun that they’ve been absolutely searching for since the rumors 1st began. I’m not gonna sit here and act like I know DJax personally, but from everything I’ve seen, over the years, and fron the way he has carried himself, both good and bad…I fail to see a hardcore thug/criminal/bad guy!!! Generally think he’s a good dude.

        • oreofestar

          I just think he is jackass gangster thug wannabe with a bit of a tude and not some hardcore criminal

        • GEAGLE

          There is NO smoking gun…

          Chip gave his definition of ELITE NFL WR…BIG/Physical/Blazing speed..so he basically told us that he “likes Desean” but doesn’t view him as the Elite guys..Desean makes ELITE dollaz….I think it’s all about not wanting to pay him 10mil, and especially feeling like they shouldnt have to worry about a guy they give 10 mil to…
          ..
          I think they got spooked by the compensation that was being offered..knowing Philly would freak out when we ended up trading him for like a 6th round pick…and they felt that cutting him at the same time that story was leaked, would be their best bet to not have the public crucify them, because they were getting spooked that they wouldn’t get the compensation to be able to sell this salary cap dump to the fans, so they viewed the story being released by that Hack Parker, as their best opportunity to not lose all the goodwill they have created with the fans,.

          • oreofestar

            I disagree at that second paragraph I doubt they would pass on a 5th or 6th round pick simply because of public perception

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t think they would either….think that GMs were taking a hard stance of chicken..Im assuming since we ended up cutting him, that no one offered us anything yet(cutting him doesn’t fit my theory that we had a deal on the table already, no I don’t believe that Lurie is mother Theresa and he turned down compensation to cut him”.

          • oreofestar

            I think they could have if they freaking waited til the draft somme team misses out on the wr they wanted and then boom! but with all the reports on this and that compensation it is just BS they couldn’t get anything for him

          • GEAGLE

            I absolutely think if they held onto him they would have been able to get SOMETHING…I think getting a player the fans love who we don’t feel is worth 10mil off the roster was clearly the most important thing for the eagles..and they looked at yesterday story as an opportunity to get the salary off the books…think they weighing what’s the best way to act like Joe Banner without the public realizing, and that yesterday’s story was as good as a cover as they were going to find…and that if they ended up losing this game of chicken and having to trade him for a 6th, fans would despise them again, and they seemed to have really made an effort to change their imagine..

          • GEAGLE

            I think not paying him 10mil, was more important to the BANNER WAY then adding an extra draft pick, and yesterday’s story gave them the best cover that they were going to find

            Leads me to believe that this was a straight up salary cap dump, not a case of “we will trade him if we get proper value, or bring him back if teams don’t pony up” like some of us thought, and Shefty reported…

      • Token

        Everybody is in on it. The world vs. DeSean Jackson.

    • Token

      The gang stuff is prolly gonna end up being overblown nothing. But people are just trying to find something to cling to in order to justify it in their minds.

      Its a football move. They got sick of his act and hes not a good enough player to put up with it anymore and pay him 10.5 million. Chip wanted him gone. Simple.

      But everyone is butt hurt about being really off the mark about the whole thing so they are throwing things like race into the mix yesterday. Or that its all a media conspiracy. lol its crazy.

      • RIP illa

        Thanx. This whole time, since Jimmy K till now, people have been trying to put this into some neatly packaged box to make it make sense for themselves. That has become aggravating to me. The writing’s has been and is still on the wall. It makes enough sense as is. And like Geagle said, and I tried saying, there’s no smoking gun from any side of view. DJax had a big hand in his own demise here. The organization handled this so piss-poorly. The media sucks…and we move on!

        I will not deny that race does come into play, but I do not think it is to the extent that some are saying, Nor can it be proven. For me it has more to do with the way that some fans have always viewed DJax. Also, when dealing with a clandestine, good ol’ boy society as the NFL, itself, and ownership…I don’t rule it completely out.

  • oreofestar

    ODB gonna come in for 52 catches for 796 yards and 6 TDs and then Maclin will finally break 1000 and then Sproles will be a decoy and we will be fine I guess but damn we still only have 6 picks?!?!and no more tradeable assets

    • cliff henny

      but great guy Lurie will be everyone’s friend at the owner’s meeting.

      • oreofestar

        Yo Mccoy could get us a 5th right?

        • cliff henny

          better find that cat some help, asap. eagles visit 4-12 pretty quickly without him in lineup

          • GEAGLE

            You want 600 new WRs, TEs and now you asking for a RB? Just piss in my captain Crunch while you are it lol…wtf did I ever do to your? :) ..we only have 6 picks, TWO Pass catchers will be drafted,..I’ll lose my mind if they draft a RB or developmental QB…

          • oreofestar

            As much as I do not like Sanchez at least we no longer have to draft a QB and RB will not be drafted our backfield is crowded as it is, 2 pass catchers maybe an OL late everything else is D

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Dri Archer or DAT coming to a sports complex near you, May 10th

          • GEAGLE

            How would either replace shady in case of an injury? Makes more sense that they are insurance for Sproles…no?

          • oreofestar

            If God forbid Shady is down…we hope Brown and Sproles could help but Foles is throwing 40 times

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Just noting that there’s RBs out there that we may expend a pick on.

          • Joe L

            I’d like a guy like Devonta Freeman in the middle rounds.

          • cliff henny

            think there’s some udfa.

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    I don’t get what’s really so difficult to understand. This is a combination of about 70-75% things regarding stuff around NovaCare, i.e. – salary v projected production, relationship with Chip, work ethic, missed meetings, locker room; and 25-30% off the field, the concerns of which may have already been there to a degree, but definitely reached a boiling point yesterday with the NJ.com report.
    Did the FO botch this? Yeah, they did. They were ready to move on from him and had to have an inkling as to his off the field “issues”. They thought they could let the media storm run its course and end up trading him on draft day, but they ended up being punked by our media. In hindsight, they should have traded him at the owner’s meeting, but didn’t, and it came back to bite them. Be as mad as you want at the FO, but it’s not like D-Jax did us any favors here, either.

    • GEAGLE

      Sounds about right….but they needed to trade him at the combine before Kempski could get the ball rolling on the media crap storm, the owners meeting was already too late

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        That’s probably true. Cases this like make me wish players were barred from social media.