DeSean Believes He Is On His Way Out

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DeSean Jackson
believes his time in Philadelphia is coming to an end.

According to multiple sources close to the wide receiver, the sentiment within the Jackson camp is that he will not be with the Eagles in 2014. One of his top confidants relayed that Jackson is now “pretty much convinced” that he will not return.

This is a change in perception from even just a few days ago. The 27-year-old wideout had some concern about his standing on the team following a wave of reports suggesting he could be on the outs in Philly. That concern was heightened by the fact that he had not received any assurances from Chip Kelly or the Eagles organization. Our understanding is that the team had not contacted Jackson directly as of mid-week, though they have apparently spoken with his agent, Joel Segal, in recent days.




Jackson has gone from being uncertain about his future with the Eagles to firmly believing he will be elsewhere next season.

Per one source, three teams have been mentioned as possible landing spots: New England, San Francisco and Seattle. It is unclear whether there is legitimate interest from any of these three teams, only that they are the  names that are being mentioned within Jackson’s inner-circle.

The Niners are approximately just $4.4 million under the salary cap, according to overthecap.com. The Patriots have about $6.5 million in space and the Seahawks about $15.4 million.

Other reports have mentioned the Jets, Raiders and Panthers as potential suitors, though the general feeling among Panthers reporters is that a trade to Carolina is unlikely.

It’s yet to be seen how this all plays out. What we can say is that Jackson now believes that this drama will end with him wearing a different uniform.

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  • Warhound

    Why can I not ignore this????

    • Corey

      because there is nothing else to talk about now, and if this works out we could get an extra pick in the top 2 rounds, that is damn exciting.

      I would love to see the Eagles deal every other player that doesn’t fit, time to get rid of Graham and Curry. Get what you can and get out. Not that Djax doesn’t fit, but they need picks and he is the only one with enough value to get high picks.

      • Jernst

        Never understood the desire to trade away one of your best players for an “exciting” 2nd round pick. It’s people like this that cheat on their super model girlfriend with a skank, because it’s new and exciting.

        • Corey

          There is really no doubt that the trade is coming at this point, I love Jackson’s skillset, but they obviously feel no need to back him. They want more picks and they will get them. I’d rather be excited for the draft and Chip Kelly’s future, then be angry that Chip apparently doesn’t know what he’s doing, but it’s still a very uncertain time.

          • Johnny Domino

            You know that the Jackson camp is driving this, right? Sure Kelly would like his tools, but if his attitude drives him out of town Chip will go to plan B and reap what he can in the aftermath.

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        could get some picks for foles and mccoy to… and cox.. and kendricks…

      • Warhound

        Yeah….

    • Johnny Domino

      Because it’s March and nothing approaching actual football is available.

  • Richard Colton

    Bulls#it

    • JofreyRice

      Dunno my man. This looks pretty forreal forreal. Seattle? Ugh.

      • BleedGreenJames

        Seattle could never make this happen. Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman are going to set a new market high for their respective positions, Russell Wilson is getting his mega-deal next offseason, plus the likes of Wagner and Maxwell for them to secure.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Why the hell would they give him to an NFC team we have to go through… SF or SEA??? REALLY??
      Ridiculous

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    if he goes to seattle’san fran/any NFC team(esp a contender) it will be the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made. i mean that!!!

    • http://www.bytenow.net Andy G

      Respectfully disagree.

      • JofreyRice

        Are you related to Adam G?

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        How could you? seriously. Desean is a great player.

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          Clearly, letting Dawk go has proven to be the biggest mistake, evidenced by the safety play since. Something tells me the dropoff in WR play won’t equal the dropoff in S play.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            BUT… dawk was past his prime.. desean in just entering his prime!!! he will only get better!!! smh

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            You don’t know that.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            I do. He is 27 years old with no major body injuries. He is not losing any speed. He is a freak of nature. I been watching him since his rooke year at cal.. i wanted us to draft him in the 1st round.. and he damn well should have been a 1st round pick

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            So based on opinion, you can conclude fact?

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            stfu, based on his past performances AGE and injury history, his future trajectory is still pointing very high..

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I won’t stfu. You don’t know it. Therefore, it’s not fact.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            If anyone doesnt know anything its the guy claiming to know when someone doesnt know anything and fails to give his own opinion.. thats you *check mate

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            The dude’s fast. That’s it. He’s not a freak of nature. His best season comes under Chip Kelly. So if he goes somewhere else, it’s far from a guarantee he produces anything like it. It could even be argued (with fact, mind you), that he even regresses to the mean of his career from the first five years. None of this is opinion.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            “the dude is fast thats it” yeah thats it.. smh.. there are plenty of fast guys in the NFL… NONE have built the career of desean has… why? because he is more then just really fast. See bwhat i mean people dont like to give him his credit. fake ass fans man.. smh

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I don’t want him gone man. He’s fast with good hands. Made his money on being a deep threat. It doesn’t change the fact that he put up his best season under Chip Kelly and that other OCs may or may not have any clue how to use him. Doesn’t make him the greatest receiver in PHL history.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            he has always been a great WR before chip

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Okay.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            And none? Plenty have. They’re just bigger than Desean.

          • Kev_H

            Why has he become a poor returner and non factor as a runner in the last 3 years? When he first came out he was deadly in those areas. Now he’s a non factor.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            Because his talent at WR is so great and important he doesnt get many chances OR live practice reps.. so its BECAUSE HE IS A GREAT WR!!! lol.. thats a good thing!! damn.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            and he is still def a a FACTOR in punts still.. lets not be ignorant here.. step it up guys,

          • Kev_H

            5 yds per over the last 3 years. No TDs. Not particularly aggressive. Should be able to do better with just about anyone.

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            yep, agreed. Everyone thinks to miracle at the meadowlands and thinks desean is the best returner ever. What have you done for me lately? In his case, as a returner, nothing. Lots of running backwards.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            he has been used as an emergency returner that last few years because he is our #1 WR.. thats like having larry kitz do kick offs….

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            he had a 32 yard return last year.. on 14 punts with 8 fair catches and 70 total yards.. lol..

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            teams kick away from him.. dont forget.. step ya game up

          • aub32

            Have you seen our STs units. They stink. He’s still an effective weapon out of the backfield, but we barely let Brown and Polk run the ball. Shady is too nice.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            they kick away from him.. step ya game up

          • FMWarner

            Exactly! Letting Dawkins go was sad, but was not a mistake.

          • Andy124

            Reggie’s departure.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Or that.

          • Kev_H

            That’s a stretch. Reggie was an all time great. In a “career” year Jackson was in the top 10 in a few receiving categories.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            How’s it a stretch then? The drop off between Reggie and everything since is very significant. T.O. put up another one of his HOF seasons in the one full year he was here.

          • OldDocRoss

            Thinking drafting Freddie Mitchell over Reggie Wayne was smart.

            Pretty much the entire “Dream Team” FA debacle (Mathis notwithstanding).

            The 2003 draft.

            The 2010 draft.

            The 2011 draft.

            Not cutting Casey Matthews for 1,056 consecutive days and counting.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            reggie brown??? lmfao///

          • Warhound

            Reggie White oh …wait, now you’re kidding….

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            lol

          • Weapon Y

            Difference is DeSean is still in his prime. Dawkins wasn’t.

    • Blake 413

      If he goes to Seattle, its a wrap. They’ll win back to back Championships

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        with percy AND desean? oh man… smh

    • FMWarner

      If he goes to anyone for a 3rd round pick, you’ll still be right. What a train wreck.

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    He is the best eagles WR of all time. Its a shame.

    • Warhound

      You’re kidding, right?

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        No im not.

        • Warhound

          Harold Carmichael, Mike Quick, Tommy McDonald

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            They played longer, desean would have all their records in another season or 2… and IMO is the best eagles WR of all time already.

          • Warhound

            Different eras – this must be considered. Look at yardage totals for QBs and you’ll see a lot of guys in recent years that appear to be better than some of the all-time greats. Look at QB rating for career.
            RankQuarterbackRating
            1Aaron Rodgers104.9
            2Peyton Manning97.23
            Steve Young96.8
            4Philip Rivers96.0
            5Tony Romo95.8
            6Tom Brady95.7
            7Drew Brees95.3
            8Kurt Warner93.7
            9Ben Roethlisberger92.6
            10Joe Montana92.3
            11Matt Ryan90.6
            12Chad Pennington90.1
            13Matt Schaub89.8
            14Daunte Culpepper87.8
            15Jeff Garcia87.5
            16Otto Graham86.6
            17Dan Marino86.4
            Is Romo’ better than Joe Montana?
            Would you really take Chad P’, Matt Ryan, Matt Schaub and Duante Culp’ over Dan Marino or Otto Graham?
            Perspective!

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            doesnt matter… then if if did he is by far the best of this era.. either way he is one of the best the eagles have ever had!!

          • Warhound

            One of the best – sure.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            The best.

          • Warhound

            Disappears in the RZ.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            He had 9 TDs last season. And he posted up a packer in the RZ on a corner pylon fade pass from foles last year at lambo

        • OldDocRoss

          If we’re talking based purely on ability, it’s T.O. and it’s not even close.

          If we’re talking prolonged production for us I guess he’s in the conversation, but Carmichael and Quick are still ahead of him IMO.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            is it?? Desean last season had a better year then TO.

            Harold never had a year like either of them, he just played a long time and had a lot of mediocre numbers that built up over time…

            and another season he would beat quicks numbers.. at a younger age… smh

          • OldDocRoss

            Please don’t compare numbers from different eras. It makes it hard to take you seriously. The game has change massively, even in the last decade or two.

            But hey let’s pretend Matthew Stafford is better than Steve Young cos that San Fran bum could barely crack 4,000 passing yards in a season.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            steve young didnt play for the lions!!!

          • OldDocRoss

            I know. He played with the greatest WR in the history of ever making his failure to match Stafford’s numbers all the more galling.

            But if we’re playing the “it’s OK to compare two players stats from different eras as long as they play for the same franchise” game which I never even knew WAS a game then Jay Cutler average 4,000 passing yards a season in two years as Denver’s starter.

            The utterly worthless John Elway broke the 4,000 yard mark once in 16 seasons.

            Cutler > Elway. You’ve convinced me.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            blah blah blah,, how many super bowl winning players we got around here in philly? Zero.

          • oreofestar

            Yo Malcolm Jenkins

          • Warhound

            Sconces?

          • OldDocRoss

            So you’re response to me pointing out the stupidity of your argument is “blah blah blah”? I did not realise I was dealing with one of the world’s great intellects.

            Sconces has a Super Bowl. Dan Klecko had a ton of them. DeSean doesn’t. What’s your point?

            Seriously man, I think the DeSean’s outstanding but your hyperbole and nonsensical arguments are doing you no favours here.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            smh.. so sconces and klecko super bowls are the eagles super bowl/ so THE EAGLES WON SUPER BOWL!!!! wow.. you are dumb. thats why u got the blah blah blah.. you no sense

          • OldDocRoss

            You asked how many Super Bowl winning players we have. I pointed to one current and one recent past (who had many).

            If your point is no Eagles players have won a Super Bowl while playing for the Eagles then I think this is something we are all painfully aware of. But given that DeSean is one of those people to not have won a Super Bowl here I don’t see why you’d use it as supporting evidence for your DeSean Is The Greatest WR In The History Of Ever campaign/meltdown.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            yes but whu did i ask about how many super bowl player u we have? because u brought up cutler vs elway? yeah.. suck it

          • OldDocRoss

            I used Cutler/Elway merely to illustrate how silly it was to compare yardage numbers from different eras. If you think there would not be an obvious, gaping chasm in their respective abilities even if Elway had not won a couple of rings towards the end of his career then I congratulate you on your exciting and unique thought process and hope it brings you great future success.

            God speed.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            im comparing players who have played with team… desean is the best

          • Eagles1018

            Jenkins, Maragos

  • Jernst

    I just don’t get it. Kempski’s article never made a compelling case for me. The whole idea still makes no sense whatsoever. And, no one can explain it. There has to be something I’m missing.

    • G_WallyHunter

      I think there’s something big we’re all missing, something big none of us are privy to, for something this confusing to go down

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        There god damn better be!!! For christ sake the guy better be a drug dealer and killing people… and just really good at covering it up…

        • Jernst

          God I hope you’re right…wait…that sounds bad

        • G_WallyHunter

          Seriously, that’s it.
          He better have a huge coke addiction and that 300,000 went to it (someone said that somewhere else on here, laughed at it)

          • Jernst

            DeSean’s $250,000 crack party!!!

            Seriously, it’s the only thing that would make this make sense….

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya really hoping it would get cleared up soon lol but since we’re the fans at the bottom of the ladder who cares…
            C’Mon MAN!!!!
            Sucks

          • RIP illa

            He is really really skinny!!! Lmao.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Better have been straight from Bolivia.

      • UKEagle99

        Scheme. It can only be scheme or how they want to play, so, scheme. Any other issue can and should be managed, that’s whay CK & Howie get paid the big buck$

        • G_WallyHunter

          Scheme would be an insult to tell us in the face of what he did this year. If that’s what they say I guess it’s a good excuse.
          Chip better have the fix, and a successful and convincing fix at that, in mind or else we all gonna go ape S#I^

          • PhillySean

            Agree, scheme misfit makes no sense.

        • Jernst

          I just can’t see this type of production not fitting our scheme.

          He seems to have fit in just fine with our scheme. And, I don’t see how you replace that production with any draft pick, let a lone possibly just a 3rd rounder.

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            Everyone is talking about the loss of production and how that is the most important thing. Obviously, to the front office, it’s not. Chip is super smart and I’m sure he realizes nobody is going to instantly replace that production. There are other considerations which is why this is happening.

          • Jernst

            They better be Aaron Hernandez level considerations to drop production like this. I pay to see production, period…

          • eagledon

            I have no problem with this. Listen, Desean is a punk, always been. You would think a kid would grow out of this, but he clearly hasn’t. Nobody is guaranteed anything in life. If he’s not pissin and moanin about losing 250k and.A GUN, he’s set. Now grow up and try to get into the hof, like TO never will.

          • UKEagle99

            You don’t replace that production. The only reason I would trade a player is scheme. If he has an ego, I manage it. If he wants a new contract, when the time is right I negotiate it (I negotiated the last one only 2 years ago!), If he is causing issues in the locker room, I manage it.

            This makes no sense to me what so ever.

        • EaglefaninAZ

          That was my thinking too. I think that Jackson was never one of “Chip’s Guys”. He was very productive during the season, so naturally Chip made no waves over the matter. Welcome to the off season and a WR heavy draft.

      • ChampionCHIP Kelly

        Why don’t we listen to chip Kelly when he talks. He may talk in circles sometimes, but he never lies… He said “big people beat up little people.” He wants big receivers, not 5′ 10″ 175 recievers with 2 concussions in the bank…. Can we allow for him to get his people, if you want him to cook the meal, can he shop for the groceries? Let’s trust the offensive genius….. We got tons of options on offense and with all those recievers we have we also lead the league in rushing last year….. CALM DOWN guys….

        • doc

          right on brother / Go Eagles

        • takeo

          Sure that’s why he traded a pick for Darren Sproles …

        • ztom6

          Pretty sure Chip also is a firm believer that “fast people outrun slow people.” People read waaaaaaay too much into that “big people” comment. It was a flip remark meant to highlight the obvious, not some crucial insight.

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    People always have doubted him because of his size, yet he has always produced. Got us the lead in the NFCCG, as a rookie one game away the super bowl. Any real eagles fan knows desean jackson is the real deal.

    • Blake 413

      I feel the same way

    • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

      I read your post and pictured Charlie screaming the whole time! But honestly he’s always been a hell of a playmaker. Either way his punt return versus the G-men will always be a special moment for me as an Eagles fans.

      • GreenScabs

        Seriously, if a trade takes place it better be for a 1st round pick, but everyone knows there isn’t a chance in hell that’s going to happen! The Eagles have lost ALL leverage in any trade scenario, by doing such a poor job of covering this up, if in fact a trade is imminent!

        DeSean is a great player, who makes all of our other good players better! Foles would have never had his record breaking season last year without DeSean, LeSean wouldn’t be as productive without DeSean, and all other pass catchers on this team can thank DeSean for at least half of their NFL production!

        This is a disaster scenario unfolding if that turns out to be true! We don’t need the ******* cap space, we have way more than 90% of the teams in the NFL, and we NEVER spend it!! I know we have a number of young players who we will need to sign, but give me a break, with the way these contracts are structured (prorated bonuses with small annual salaries) we will have more than enough to go around!

        This will be a giant dent in the armor for the Chip regime IMO if this situation doesn’t get resolved. How can we trade arguably our most dangerous weapon in franchise history, who was drafted by the organization, is only 27 years old, coming off of his best season in the NFL, for 10 cents on the dollar, for absolutely no apparent reason!!??!??

        • Kevin

          I hear and agree with Green! The biggest mystery to me is how this all started. The Eagles are always great at keeping things in the dark and using and maintaining leverage. Kelly has been lauded by the players for his openness. There has to be something going on we don’t know, too many weird things to explain it otherwise.

          • Tom w

            Djax camp and agent is leaking everything to force a new trade and get a new deal like mike Wallace deal w twenty plus million is guaranteed money

        • Tom w

          Nah II don’t think so. Could be djax camp who is leaking everything to force eagles hand and make a trade so he gets a new deal. When has the eagles front office ever leaked anything.

          And last time I checked our offense was sputtering in 2011 and 2012 w djax and it took a new offensive guru like chip and a dedication to the oline and running the ball to open things up. Seven and eight men in the box opened this offense up not djax. Shit he basically got take. Out of the saints game for three quarters by Keenan Lewis in man coverage until Lewis got hurt. You actin like he is megatron or jerry rice. He isn’t. He is very good but don’t mistake it this will be a top 5 offense with or without djax.

          • Johnny Domino

            More like trying to talk his way out of town, I concur.
            New team = new deal, which he won’t see here. If this doesn’t work he will try sulking his way out of town next.

          • Yes_General

            Finally Howie is getting his hands dirty. Chip Kelly is showing us that you have to trust in your player evaluations and build through the draft. Also this defense is not that far away from becoming dominate. With more early round picks the Eagles are fixing this Defense the right way. In Chip Kelly we trust and with an extra 1st and 3rd round pick all this drama will be forgotten.

          • GreenScabs

            Extra 1st & 3rd!??! Not going to happen! I would have no problem trading him for that bounty, but at this point it looks more likely that we’re going to get only the 3rd (and that may be high). I will say though, this organization has done a great job at receiving top compensation for players much less talented than DeSean in the past, so I’m willing to wait and see what transpires before I make my final judgement.

    • zbone95

      if i remember correctly, d-jax only caught passes after keenan lewis went out with an injury. Until then he was quiet.

      • ChampionCHIP Kelly

        I prefer to trade him and save the money to resign players…who would prefer to keep desean and next year not make that defense better and run the risk of not resigning Boykin, Foles, Cox, and/ or Mychals…. It’s a deep WR draft and last time I checked we need to boost our def not take a step back next year….

      • bsn

        He means the NFC Championship Game against the Cardinals the year the Steelers beat the Cards in the Super Bowl. Desean, in his rookie year, gave us the go ahead score. Our defense failed and Curtis couldn’t catch a 4th down conversion. That’s the game he’s referring to.

        • James Skip Carl

          Because Dawkins couldn’t cover anybody in that game

        • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

          oh yea probably another game where ackers missed field goals too and we lost by like 3 points or something…

      • Tom w

        Thank you and you are dead on. Where the hell is token he called this all months ago before kempski and explained it well why djax is replaceable

    • Dilwala_G

      Such a terrible decision – why do the eagles always have to outsmart themselves? This is even worse than the classic joe banner crap

    • Tom w

      Nah his numbers declined every year from 2009-2012 … Basically ineffective in the red zone under Andy last three years …. Chip came and changed the system and ran the ball and drew seven and eight man defensive fronts fronts and moved djax around to avoid press coverage and his numbers rebounded along w foles McCoy cooper who all has career years. The system is what is important … Kelly is a once in a generation offensive mind. If djax wants a new contract and 25 million guaranteed when he is signed for three more years, and his agent starts leaking information to the media, not much eagles can do

  • UKEagle99

    Arse! #Arse @Arse

  • Blake 413

    Bad decision by Chip and Howie
    Riley was helped by #10 being a threat to stretch the field and he required safety help. Can we really count on #18 being 100% this year? #10 has a unique skill set that we need to create mismatches underneath

    • Tom w

      Nah bunch of guys in draft could give us similar talents but it’s not what chip wants at wr anyway. Wants more short passes taken to the house, rac more size at wr who can beat press coverage …

      • botto

        thats true, he cannot beat press coverage and that did screw us up last year

      • Jernst

        Yea there’s tons of guys in the draft that would be the fastest player in the NFL…

  • Tom w

    Panthers niners rams pats jets bills browns bengals jags titans chargers raiders chiefs

    • ryyndynyyls

      those are football teams

      • G_WallyHunter

        impressive self-observation

  • botto

    i woudl have to think that he just doesnt fit with Kelly’s idea of “Culture”, whatever that means. winning is the only culture that matters in the pros. he must not liek him though or think we have better options in the draft that he can coach up, as they say.
    desean is awesome though! we better send him to the jets so we dont have to worry about him

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      Chip’s “Culture” means a few things from what I have observed. 1) Attitude – always being a team-first player, no matter what. 2) Leadership – ability to show the right way to do things, be an example to the rest of your team. 3) Brains – he highly values intelligence in players 4) Versatility – ability to perform in a variety of roles 5) Size – in general, “big people beat up little people”. Obviously exceptions can be made (See Sproles, Darren). 6) Talent.

  • ryyndynyyls

    BREAKING: Jimmy Kempski of Philly.com believes that there could be a market for LeSean McCoy, too. Potentially even a 4th or 5th round pick from one of the teams Tom w mentioned below. http://bit.ly/1in9Vsk

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      lol!

    • ryyndynyyls

      This draft is REALLY deep and he should be totally replaceable in the 4th or 5th. This way we don’t have to focus on the defense in the draft. His contract is really out of proportion to his production, and does every forget when he ripped the banner out of the Skins fan’s hands in the end zone?!? This kid has a bad attitude and shouldn’t be a problem to fill in given the fact that Chip’s scheme is basically plug and play. Superstars need not apply!

      • Jernst

        This would be so funny if it wasn’t such a literal representation of what half the people on these boards are writing. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills….

      • ryyndynyyls

        Geoff Mosher of CSNPhilly’s kid’s nursery school pal has just confirmed that the Eagles would be willing to take less for the Pro Bowler, maybe even a 6th. The Eagles have yet to respond, but we’re hearing from LeSean’s friends (confirmed that they’re friends because he follows them back on Instagram) that due to the radio silence on behalf of the Eagles the star running back is feeling “pretty bummed”. Sources say if the organization continues to refuse to offer him any reassurance of his value to the team that he may be inclined to assume that he is “not wanted” and, as his friends are saying “look for someone who will want him”, despite his obvious, continuing lack of value as an NFL superstar.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      lmfao

  • Blake 413

    What happens if they trade Jackson and Maclin has a sub par season ? Can you really say that a rookie can come in and surpass what #10 has accomplished ? Be careful of what you ask for

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      I dont think anyone thinks a rookie can replace his performance right away, nor can Maclin. Solely performance isn’t what this is all about, obviously.

    • Tom w

      How was djax in 2011 and 2012. Declining. Bring in chip and everyone’s numbers went up It’s the system … We are gonna score points and out up monster offensive numbers w maclin coop sproles ertz McCoy best oline …. Add a moncrief and Landry or odb and martavius Bryant …. Best wr class ever …. You’ll forget djax in a week. Unnecessary situation but chip has my full faith and confidence and the best wr draft ever. And sproles fits his offense to a tee as a do everything wr rb

      • Jernst

        I love Sproles, but he’s a 31 y/o 5’6″ RB…the only other WRs on the roster are Cooper, who’s good at what he does and Maclin, who was never a world beater to begin with and is coming off his second ACL surgery on the same knee. After them it’s dregs. DeSean is a lot better of a WR/playmaker than people give him credit for

        • Tom w

          Are you kidding me … People on here don’t shut up w how good they think he is …. And I realize he is good but I’m not gonna sit and cry and curse Howie and chip if they are forced to trade him and I have little concern that the offense won’t be just as good if not better

          • Jernst

            I’m certainly not crying or cursing…but if you’re satisfied with a WR cast of mACLin, Cooper and Damaris Johnson, have at it, son.

          • aub32

            Forced? Is someone holding a gun to their head? Are we in cap hell? The trade makes no sense based on any type of logic. That’s why fans are upset.

          • Philly0312

            Why not wait until he is traded before being upset?

            I’m on the fence with djax, but he isn’t as amazing as some make him out to be or as bad as others do. If the FO wants to move on, I’ll trust that judgement.

          • JofreyRice

            Am i living in crazy town? holy shit, now they’re being “forced”. Too much.

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        he led the team in rec in 2011 and in 2012 up untill he broke his ribs.. so declining? tee hee. step it up babycakes…

        • Tom w

          His numbers were declining from 2010-2012 …. Very few tds etc

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            And yet he still led the team.. lol.. oh and did u watch last year??? keep trying to fiond a reason to hate your fav teams best WR of all time that support your argument to get rid of him because u are a racist or just stupid

          • Warhound

            Racist? Come on, you can do better than that – I mean really: your arguments have some merit but that comment makes you look foolish.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            call it how i see it

          • Tom w

            Dope …. Like playing cards w my sisters’ kids

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            yes… because racists dont exist…. go back to playing cards with your kid sister lil guy

          • Philly0312

            Of course it does. ..But people who throw out racism with no evidence of actual racism, and simply over a difference of opinion are complete pieces of shit.

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            i agree get off the racism.

          • Ig_l

            You need glasses.

          • Ig_l

            Oh there goes the R word. Jeesh.

      • aub32

        System? Last I checked chip has only been here one year. Desean has been here 6. He has over 6100 career yards. Please tell me that’s all due to Chips system.

        • oreofestar

          Yo Chip is the reason any player did good last year Jason Peters was a scrub until Chip came, Lesean was hardly a starter til Chip fixed him up same with Mathis and everyone else, he even did wonders for Dorenbos

          • Tom w

            Foles McCoy djax cooper all had career years under chip Hahahahaha and celek looked reborn

          • oreofestar

            Foles hardly has a career, Cooper can thank his numbers to DJAX, Celek was so reborn that he had career lows

          • Tom w

            Yea the fact teams were putting 8 in the box to stop McCoy had nothing to do with it ….

            Kid is good but he I have no concerns this offense won’t skip a beat …. Chips offenses have excelled everywhere he has coached with all different types of players. Get me good compensation for djax and I’m not losing sleep. If you get angry and whine and curse go for it, but the offense will be perfectly fine next year with or without him

          • aub32

            And if it’s not? If the draft pick turns out mediocre and Mac doesn’t come back? What then guy?

          • oreofestar

            But no you have to get rid of Desean you and I could ut up 1300 yards in Chip’s offense with Chip anyone can do anything

          • oreofestar

            Are you kidding Desean got so much defensive attention that he was opening up things for other players go watch some Eagles games and you would realize it was rare for 8 players to be in the box

          • ryyndynyyls

            Guys, Tom w’s system works because if we ditch a few of those players that Chip made great, we can spend our limited number of draft picks replacing them (which, by the way, is SO MUCH MORE SIMPLE than you once thought. in this draft it is, like, basically a non-issue). this way we don’t have to deal with pesky defensive issues. Side note (Tom w told me this): along with an enlarged cap number for 2015, the NFL has proposed changes where the offense gets to play against its own defense. Soon we won’t even need a defense! With that in mind, go nuts! Draft away!

        • Tom w

          How was djax doing in 2011 and 2012 before chip got here?

          • oreofestar

            Jackson was horrible before Chip came Chip is such a God you put any player there and boom! pro bowls we should just sign Kenny Britt, Chip is such a GOD that Britt would be putting up better numbers then Desean

          • aub32

            He was our leading WR a and just shy of 1000 yards in 2011.

            He was on pace to put up record numbers before getting injured in 2012.

            Try doing some fact checking. How was Julio jones this year. O yeah he got hurt because it’s football.

        • Eagles4Life

          Everyone only remembers the shitty Andy years. Dummies.

    • Jernst

      Not to mention…do you remember that 2001 draft that was so deep at WR. Koren Robinson, David Terrell, Rod Gardner, Freddie Mitchel, Quincy Morgan, Robert Ferguson, Chris Chambers…all sure fire #1 WRs taken in the first 52 picks. Sure there were a few studs in there too. Chad Johnson, Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss all made good on their investment, but the majority fell flat on their face. I think people really over-value the potential of draft picks vs a known pro-bowler.

      • ryyndynyyls

        THANK YOU. Drafting is GAMBLING on potential. If an expansion team were announced today and had 8 years to create a roster simply by drafting they would obviously hit on every pick and win the Super Bowl in 2022, right?!? According to every DJax detractor on these boards… yes.

  • oreofestar

    If they let him go then it would be the stupidest thing that the new regime has done by a mile

  • oreofestar

    I continue to try and convince myself it is not happening but now I am straight up depressed because it seems more and more likely everyday…

  • aub32

    If he does go, I hope it’s with Brady. He will make doubters look so foolish by becoming a 1600+ 15 TD guy. NE will be my immediate SB pick out of the AFC. Talib will quickly get injured trying to match his speed. Then it’s over.

    • oreofestar

      Yeah it would not matter chances are we would be nowhere close to superbowl contention

  • anon

    Jeff McLane reports the Eagles have “intensified efforts” to trade DeSean Jackson in the last week.

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    The fanboys are out in full force.

    • Tom w

      Yea it’s like talking to my 12 yr old nephew after his favorite player gets traded or cut

      • ryyndynyyls

        your 12 year old nephew seems to have a fair deal more quantifiable sense than you…

    • OldDocRoss

      “Who are we gonna cheer for on Sundays now?”

      “NOBODY!!!!”

  • Tom w

    Where’s token??? The guy called all of this before kempski even wrote his first article and made a pretty persuasive argument that a trade was possible based on the eagles offseason moves, chips system, and djax makeup. Kudos

    • anon

      I blame him. Hopefully he doesn’t show his face around here.

      • Tom w

        I kinda respect him. The guy could be gloating everyday and he is just sitting back loving it.

  • oreofestar

    We do not even need Desean we got Riley he has never had off the field issues quite the saint glad we do not have to worry about distractions with him, oh and Jeremy Maclin 1000 yard seasons are overrated 850 is the new 1300 plus the acl gave him rest lol f*** Desean and my boy Benn is gonna tear it up he will definitely improve on his number s last year and then I can not wait to see the rookie wr in this offense know he will be better than Desean I mean when was the last time a rookie did not pan out

  • Kev_H

    If all this is true I’m betting after checking out all of the receivers in the draft, Howie and Chip hope to bring home more than one.

    • anon

      yeah no defensive players :%

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    Every year the eagles have had desean jackson, the team beat the franchise offensive records.. every year since his arrival!! Thats the desean jackson impact!!

    • Tom w

      Nope that’s not right at all

    • Jernst

      So…third round picks match that type of production all the time. Plus DeSean pretends to be a rapper in the offseason…so there’s that ugly situation, we should just get rid of him before he tells us about the gem stones that hang around his neck again.

      • oreofestar

        Desean should say N***** in his raps more often that way he will be rewarded with a new 5 year deal

        • Jernst

          haha

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        oh look so its because desean raps… lol… its because he is small and from the hood.. most racist want desean gone.. and those that just want a bigger WR. Sorry those arent valid reasons.

        • Jernst

          just for clarity … I was being sarcastic by the way

        • Ig_l

          Your tune was old the 5th time you sang it. Some people just don’t have as high opinion of Desean as you do. It has NOTHING to do with race.

    • OldDocRoss

      After therefore because of!

      Look at offensive numbers around the league. It’s almost like there’s been some rule changes that have made scoring points a little easier.

      While you’re doing that, we had less passing yards, rushing yards, total yards and points in 2012 than in 2011. How does that = record breaking?

  • Sum

    This is DeSean and his agent all the way. He has been told he’s not getting a new deal. DeSean has told them he won’t report to camp without one.

    So the eagles will deal him. Simple and makes sense. These reports from sources close to DeSean are from his agent because DeSean wants to go to a winner with a good QB. You think it’s a coincidence that the Pats, Seahawks, and 49ers are the teams mentioned? The Jets likely have the most interest, and it fits how they do business. By mentioning the winners he’s hoping to spark interest as those teams are in direct competition and have to match each other’s moves.

    • Tom w

      Yea that’s what my boy thinks too. But eagles should want a new deal as well to lower his cap number for the next 3 yrs and just give him some guaranteed money this yr which we have. Has to be more than … Something more weighing on eagles decision making them not to want him for more than a year at a time …..

      • Jernst

        Depends on his demands. What would you do if, just speculating, DeSean asked to be the highest paid WR in history and wants a $15 million signing bonus and an extension, not just a conversion to some more guaranteed money. In a situation like that (maybe not so exaggerated) I could see the team saying, ya know what, that’s it we’re not gonna do this every 2 years and not be able to count on your full effort unless your entire contract is basically guaranteed.

        • Tom w

          I hear ya. Maybe that is what went down and why both sides are so quiet so a trade can get done and djax his new contract he wants. This shit is crazy. I’m not happy about it but if we get the right compensation I can learn to deal w it. Bout a dozen teams that could use him …. Get me a 2 and a 4 this year and I would be content. I like djax and he had a great year but I sticking w the chipper and Howie on this one if they get the compensation right. If all we get is third, I will be freaking pissed

        • aub32

          He never asked for more money though. He asked for security. I can’t blame him. The media is bashing him by saying he pleaded for a new deal after the season. We all knew it was a 2 year deal when he signed it. So why are some fans acting like he’s in the wrong. Please believe had he gotten hurt last year he’d be cut right now.

    • Jernst

      That actually makes the most sense of anything I’ve read all week. DeSean got caught off guard when the reporter asked him about his contract and let his true feelings slip, saying that he deserves more guaranteed money and that he hopes it can get worked out without anything out of the ordinary. His agent slaps him upside the head and tells him to keep his mouth shut. DeSean issues statement saying he was taken out of context to keep it out of the media, but behind closed doors asks to be the highest paid WR in the league. The Eagles have been down this road before where he’s not happy and decide its best to cut their losses and move him even though they’d be fine keeping him at his current salary. DeSean’s agent leaks this information to force the Eagles hand….Not a bad conspiracy theory compared to the others I’ve seen. Makes more sense than Chip hates 1300 yard WR that make the pro bowl, the Eagles with more cap space than 75% of the league need more cap space, or that he’s a secret rapping, drug dealing, gang member murder.

    • GEAGLE

      Thats what I said initially..

      • JofreyRice

        U still think this is all just media driven rumors?

        • GEAGLE

          Nope…thus the word initially,,,

          • Sum

            No way DeSean reports with 0 guaranteed dollars on his deal after next season. The Eagles can’t give him any extra money as he’s pretty much done once he loses even a step. So we are at an impasse. They are also faced with the prospect of resigning Foles which could be very expensive.

            It’s the perfect storm. And all sides know it.

  • aub32

    For those of you thinking Jackson and his production are replaceable due to his size, let me remind you of another eagles WR who you loved when he came to Philly. TO in his first 6 years put up 6170 yards. DJax has put up 6117. You can’t just find that type of production. Some will laugh, but when it’s all said and done DJax could have HOF number if he stays here in this offense.

    • Jernst

      People forget what it looks like when you field a WR unit of Jason Avants. The Charles Johnson, Torrence Small days are still etched into my brain. The Thrash Pinkston one’s still sear my retinas when I shut my eyes.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      Yup!!! There is just a lot of fake fans of philly. its sad.

    • OldDocRoss

      Anyone suggesting his production will easily be replaced is silly and should be ignored, but you can’t reasonably compare his yardage numbers to TO’s first six years in the league. Passing numbers are up across the board in the last 20 years.

      Also, TO’s 59 TDs in his first six years kinda dwarf DeSean’s total.

      • aub32

        That’s true, but DeSean never played with a HOF QB. (Sorry McNabb) nor did he have Jerry Rice across from him.

        • OldDocRoss

          FOLES HATER! ;)

          Fair point though, but TO did catch most of those balls from Jeff Garcia and you still can’t compare WRs numbers in the 90s with those we see today. Totally different game.

          Don’t get me wrong, I think D-Jax is excellent and I think trading him is nuts, just not buying some of the “greatest in franchise history” stuff.

          • aub32

            He can be though. He’s in his prime and already #4 all time. He stays healthy and can consistently be a 1200+ 10 TD guy in this system. The only way he doesn’t become the eagles all time receiver is if he’s traded. Then I hope he goes with Brady so he can really put up numbers.

          • anon

            they probably thought they could fleece oakland since djax is from there. at this point i think whatever deal we do is going to feel like we got screwed, no one is pursuing him. Maybe the downside of the howie deal is that you’re getting restructured or cut after 2 years.

          • OldDocRoss

            I agree with a lot of that, but there is a chance his numbers decline quickly in coming years if he loses a yard and I don’t see him as a consistent 10TD a season guy.

            By trading him we’re either saying:
            A. His personality is or is likely to become irredeemably awful, or
            B. He’s set for a decline

            I’ve seen no real evidence of A and B is a helluva gamble to take. Looks like we’re gonna roll the dice though sadly.

          • anon

            he literally did everything in the offense this year, backfield, out routes, slots, most versatile piece. i understand trading if they got a good offer but desperate shopping seems silly for a guy with his stats.

          • OldDocRoss

            Yep. Don’t get it. Think this whole thing has been poorly handled and whatever DeSean’s flaws are he’s always seemed like a guy with a good heart who could be reasoned with if you spoke to him man-to-man.

            aub32 – I only don’t see him as a consistent 10TD guy because he never has been. Could he be? Sure, I guess, but it’s not like he’s a consistently reliable red zone threat so I’d need to see it to believe it. I don’t mean that as a major knock on him by the way. There’s a bunch of RBs with better TD totals than Barry Sanders but that dude was the shit.

          • aub32

            Some guys are special when it comes to speed, and there are few players who have the chip and drive a guy as small as desean. I don’t know why you would doubt him being 10 TD guy. He could have had that easily with some better QB play or less TD recalling holding penalties.

    • Token

      DeSean Jackson is in NO WAY comparable to TO as a WR. Not even a little bit. TO was a much better player.

      I think this last year kind of made people forget Jacksons last like 3 years prior. He just wasnt all that good.

      And we are talking about a offense that made Riley Cooper a multi millionaire.

      I was a HUGE Jackson fan in the beginning. My dog is named after him for god sakes. But me personally ive seen too many games hes disappeared from over the last 4 seasons. Fine player. Great numbers last year. But I wont loose sleep over him not being here. If hes moved Chip must feel the same way. I feel he sees the tape of Jackson against good corners and it not going so hot.

      For the good of everyone they need to get this over with quickly. Get as much as they can. Regardless they arent contending this year anyway. May as well get more picks. I always thought Jackson was gone next year anyway.

      • anon

        What do you expect when you only run 9 routes for 3 years. I think last year showed how versatile he can be — i think he just wants to win can’t blame him he and shady are by far the most talented on the team.

        • Warhound

          Shady > Peters > Jackson. Maybe Mathis and Kelce too.

        • Token

          Hitches crosses and deep routes? What changed?

          There is no argument to be made here. Jackson is not in the realm of TO as a overall WR.

          I dont think winning is anywhere near the top of Jacksons list of things he cares about.

          If this goes down its because the Eagles believe Jackson is more the player from the previous 3 years than 2013. His value is at its highest point. Especially when you consider he will be whining for a new deal any month now. They just dont want to sink more guaranteed money into him apparently.

          • anon

            TO is def better. If he was begging for a new deal, ok, but if you’re construing that based off one comment that’s silly. Eagles have no leverage now and have probably ruined their relationship w djax anyway.

          • Token

            He mentioned his contract like a day after the season. What do you thinks on his mind? New agent too who im sure wants a payday from Jackson by getting him a new deal. Its coming, trust me on that.

          • anon

            He was asked a question by the media, most took it to mean he want some guaranteed money, who doesnt. havent heard anything about that since but it could be.

          • JofreyRice

            People just don’t seem to remember that. I don’t get it. The media, Mclane, whatever, know this guy is a source of cheap page hits, and poke the cats whenever they can. You’d think Jackson is taking out billboards in Philly saying he wants a new contract.

            And didn’t we all say that this contract was probably going to be renegotiated after this season? That Roseman & Jackson knew that going in? Is Jackson supposed to play dumb?

          • Eagles4Life

            Has he only been in the league 4 years? You’re limiting your analysis to a time where 1) Andy’s offense and playcalling were getting stale. and 2) There were injuries.

            What’s more is that you keep harping on this “production in the past 3 years” thing as being telling. How’d that go with the Riley Cooper analysis???

      • Eagles4Life

        “What’s more likely, some underlying issue with Desean’s personality, or organizational arrogance to move on from a player that is going to command a market-value salary?”

        Man, you said it right here. And this is exactly why we ruin good things when we have them. We have the past examples. If the front office does this crap yet again…SMDH.

      • Token

        I dont think we will ever fully agree on Jackson. To me he was always a one trick pony. And thats fine. I dont think its really a diss. But its a reason he disappears so often. My thought was to get another 1st round big WR this year to pair with him. Have Maclin in the slot. Cooper mixing in. Jackson would be better off in that situation. But its likely not breaking that way. So I just want it done with, trade him for what you can. Having this drag on doesnt do anybody any good. Its not my money so I dont really care if he stays or if he goes. But I dont really mind if he goes. I think the offense carries on. Ive never been a believer that Jackson makes the offense run.

        I dont know what behind the scenes is like. But if they trade a guy like this Im guessing theres something too it. Chip just must not care for his play. Or maybe his ego is so big he thinks the offense can be #1 with Jeff Maehl as the #1. Which really is probably how he thinks judging by how he puts a team together.

        When you look at it as a whole offseason it seems ridiculous. Its as if they arent even trying. But, thats just how it is. They clearly have their sights set on contending in 2018 so may as well dump him now for picks. Dont worry tho, Im sure Howie will deliver multiple pro bowlers in the draft.

      • FMWarner

        I really hope it’s an off the field issue, because frankly, ditching Jackson for his play or his salary indicates that this front office has lost its mind. I was on board with letting Dawkins walk. This would be about 5x more senseless than that. I really feel like there must be something going on behind the scenes that we’re not privy to – I have to believe that, otherwise I have no faith in this organization.

  • oreofestar

    Since it seems the Eagles are stupid enough to trade Desean I hope that a team gives up a mother****in king’s ransom for him

    • Nick C

      There is recent speculation saying we won’t even get a 3rd. Is this some sick joke…?

      • oreofestar

        I would not have even traded him for that I would have wanted more but I swear if the Eagles trade Jackson for nothing…

  • GEAGLE

    I don’t believe their is a smoking gun, something horrible he did that pushed us over the ledge with Desean. If we do want to trade him, this would be why:

    It’s amazing how well chips offense worked, lacking so much speed. When you think about it the only above average speed we had was shady,Desean and Ertz so Desean was crucial in creating space for the others to operate…going forward:
    ..
    Many of us talk about how Chip wants an arsenal stacked with weapons we can throw at teams in waves. Whether we keep or traded him, I was always under the impression that we would draft two WRs in the first 5 rounds, adding to above average athletes at the position. If we, for example have an arsenal of weapons like:
    Shady
    Sproles
    Ertz
    Celek
    Casey
    Mac
    Coop
    Moncrief
    Odell/cooks

    We will have plenty of speed to compensate. Now on paper adding Desean to the mix would be awesome..but Will Desean really be willing to play with so many weapons, who will lower his touches, and come off the field when we throw out the next waves of burners? So while I don’t believe this smear campaign that Desean was some bad team mate, wanting to trade him, IMO is for shadowing that he wouldn’t buy in to decrease in playing time and balls thrown his way. We didn’t have many fast weapons last year with Coop, Celek and Avant..but the speed is COMING from this draft whether Desean is here or not…if we aren’t going to keep him, I assume it’s because we don’t think he will like the decreased Role that naturally comes when you are stacked with weapons…so I don’t think it’s his attitude last year that will get him traded, but it’s his attitude going forward when we add Maclin,ODB,Moncrief,Sproles and a bigger role for Ertz Into the equation..
    ,..
    Just my thoughts…It’s really all I could think of that makes any sense

    • oreofestar

      But if Desean wants to be in Philly…wy get rid of him because according to all the BS he wants to be here which would contradict with the notion that Desean wants to be where there are touches and it seems like this is more of the FO trying to get rid of their only #1wr threat as opposed to Desean wanting out

      • GEAGLE

        You are high if you think Chip will trade him and not bring in more weapons…Desean wants to be here now…does he want to b here when we have a ton of weapons and the balls going his way will decrease, or will he start to sulk and act like a fool?

        • oreofestar

          Geagle Chip will bring more freaking weapons if Desean is here or not, but there is nothing telling me that a single guy that Chip brings in can replace Desean’s production

          • GEAGLE

            I’m not diminishing Desean,,I waited my entire life for a WR like him…but let’s not pretend that you like how he acts when he thinks he ain’t getting enough balls….what’s going to happen when we have 5 quality WRs and two TEs that we want to use in games? How will he act then, when he ain’t seeing his touches?…..unless he was a cancer last year, which no reports suggest that he was, I see no other reason as to why we would trade him, so this makes the most sense to me

          • oreofestar

            OK When we have 5 quality wrs to fight for balls you can move him but as it stands we have NOTHING to replace Desean with and I am not comfortable praying for a rookie to step up

          • GEAGLE

            You read thousand of my posts every week…when have you ever seem me advocate for trading Desean? If we do trade him, I haven’t seen a better theory as to why we would…

            Like out of 80 receptions, 60 WENT for a FIRST DOWNS LAST YEAR…you are insane if you think I want to trade that…but until I read a better theory, that’s what I’m going with

          • oreofestar

            I am sorry I just do not think that theory makes sense

          • GEAGLE

            So what theory makes sense for why we would want to trade him?

          • oreofestar

            In my opinion none of this makes any freaking sense to me and I am still thinking maybe we truly are not shopping him and there is just alot of interest

          • GEAGLE

            Dudes tweeting I pics with Cam Newton and Pete Carrol today. I’m thinking he is gone,,
            ,,,
            Look, do we all Agree that Desean is a great player that we all want on the field? If we all feel that way, then their are only two theories that make sense:
            1) he was a cancer this year, which I don’t believe
            2) we are worried about how he will act in the future
            ..
            I don’t see a #3 possible reason

            I’d rather keep him and make it work…but if he is traded, that’s the reason that makes most sense to me, if he wasn’t a cancer this year

          • Jernst

            I agree with this! I really do. I think you are correct that we are worried about how he will act in the future. But, I think the next step you take about the reason behind that worry is ludicrous. We are not so worried that we will bring in so many bodaciously awesome playmakers that DeSeans touches will go down and he’ll be mad. That’s definitely not the worry.

          • Jernst

            IF that was the worry. IF. Then we’d be much smarter to actually acquire those playmakers first before trading away our best playmaker at the position.

          • GEAGLE

            Do you actually think I would disagree with you on that? Get real….but until anyone can list another possibility for why the hell we would ever trade him! that’s the best I got! I’d love to hear more plausible theories as why we would actually wanna trade such a special talent..believe me trading him don’t make sense to me either, I’m just trying to make sense of why the FOCK we would ever trade him

          • Jernst

            Then your theory doesn’t make sense…I guess we are done here

          • GEAGLE

            You argue the same exact thing…future attitude lol fool

          • Jernst

            G, your initial argument was that DeSean’s future attitude is tied to the fact that we are going to add so many weapons that he won’t get enough touches to be happy. THIS is what I, and everyone else that’s talking to you, thinks is dumb. While I agree with part of what you said, the vague, future attitude part, I think it’s much more likely to be due to money and not this pending influx of weapons you speak of.

          • GEAGLE

            Your counter argument is money may be the problem. WTF he making 20mil the next two years. If we wanted to keep him and had no intentions of trading him, they could easily convert that money to upfront bonus’s….it’s not like he wants to earn more then the 10mil he is already earning….so MY BET, is THE WAY Chip wants to RUN HIS OFFENSE and the Vision he has is LESS NEGOTIABLE, then the simpleton money talk which is easily fixable…

            So excuse me but your Money counter arguments is way more ridiculous then my theory…if we didn’t want to trade him, we would try to fix the money issue before EVER GETTING TO THIS POINT!!! And since we all know he is a great player, I don’t see a better theory

          • GEAGLE

            I’ll wait for some BS response to this, because I doubt you can come up with a good one…I basically dropped the mic and walked away

          • Jernst

            DeSean got guaranteed money in the form of a signing bonus. Said bonus is the only reason that cutting/trading him would cause us dead money and thus hurt us if we wanted/needed to cut him. If DeSean asked for even more guaranteed money that would cause more financial commitment and even more dead money should we decide to move on from him. So yes it would hurt us. That’s why teams don’t guarantee every part of a salary. Because, it would be against their best interest. So pick up your mic…

          • Jernst

            Seriously…if it was no hardship whatsoever, why wouldn’t every player ask for their entire contract to be guaranteed or converted to a signing bonus and why wouldn’t every team immediately grant such request…you can’t be this stupid

          • GEAGLE

            For the 300th time…I WANT HIM HERE!!!
            ..
            Those are the only two possibilities I can see, please don’t argue unless you can add another plausible possibility for why in the world we would EVER trade such a great player?

          • Jernst

            Oh my god!!!! for the 300th time, read the 7 posts above where I offer another plausible idea

          • GEAGLE

            Th ONLY theory you added falls under future attitude, you just happen to think it’s more about money then touches.I see no difference…toxic is toxic, I don’t give a shit why

          • Jernst

            Everyone gets that you want him here, but your theory as to why THE TEAM would want to trade him makes no sense….and that’s what we’re arguing against. Your dumb, poorly thought out theory that makes no sense whatsoever! No one is insinuating that you want to get rid of him…we are just flat telling you that your theory as to why it would make sense for the Eagles to want to get rid of him is dumb

          • GEAGLE

            You listed future attitude over money..I listed future attitude over touches…does it matter why someone is toxic?

          • Jernst

            If we’re arguing over whether or not the why is plausible or dumb…than yes, it matters

          • Ig_l

            3) I think Kelly has confidence that he can take the right kind of players who may not be the most talented and win. They just have to be the right players for his system and be all-in with his schemes. And for $12M, he could get some serious talent in free agency at another position next year (plus $4-6M carryover from the savings on Jackson’s salary this year salary minus dead money).

            I’m just saying Kelly might believe that. I’m not saying he’s right for sure.

          • aub32

            I do like how he acts. I want my #1 WR to want the ball. The dude got paid then really started to ball. So this isn’t him crying because he wants stats that turn into dollars. He wants to win. Give me that fire every day and twice Sundays a 1 o’clock.

          • Jernst

            You think there’s not enough touches to go around for these 7 astounding playmakers, but somehow there’s enough cap space to go around for 5 playmaking WRs and 2 really good TEs?

          • GEAGLE

            Uhh yeah Desean is 27, and we will be paying 3 of our young players on rookie deals..by the time we have to extend them, Desean would be gone. If it was about money DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK we wouldn’t ATleast TRY and RESOLVE the issue before ever getting to this point? Like are you friggin kidding me?

        • aub32

          What makes you think DeSean won’t get touches even if 5 other WRs are brought in. Come on. You’re better than that. No WR we have or will get is going to be better than DeSean. He will be on the field. More weapons means less attention. Less attention means DeSean WILL get open. Why would Foles start avoiding an open DeSean?

          • Jernst

            exactly. Denver had 3 wideouts go over 1000 yards. If all your playmakers are good, there’s plenty of touches to go around.

          • aub32

            Thank you. That was a terrible argument by G. I think he’s just upset

          • GEAGLE

            Denver had 3 WRs, a TE and a one RB…
            ..
            Sproles is Welker in our offense
            Ertz is Julius Thomas
            Coop is Decker
            Shady is Knowshon
            Mac is Demaryious

            Now add Moncrief,Desean, ODB to Denver, and you think guys won’t have to sacrifice? Get real!

          • oreofestar

            Maclin aint Demaryius and Coop could only dream of being Decker they will not have those kind of numbers or production they will be the guys sacrificing bot Desean do you think if Denver drafts a wr that Thomas’ touches are going be eaten at no it will be Ball’s and Decker’s and Sanders

          • GEAGLE

            First of all…Cooper will have a better 2014 then Deckers over rated ass…
            ..
            Secondly I’m not talking about who’s better…I’m talking about enough balls going around…if we draft 2 WR in first 4 rounds then we will have more weapons then Denver did this past year…how is that debateable?

          • oreofestar

            Desean’s balls would not be touched (lol) it would be others’ also Coop had the season he had because when teams had to worry about Shady and DJAX he was let free

          • GEAGLE

            Last year we didn’t have any damn weapons, of course he needed Desean….when you line up Sproles,Shady,Maclin!Moncrief,Ertz, I can assure you, teams won’t be able to double team Coop

          • Jernst

            Why would these draft picks cut into our best WRs touches and not the lesser WRs on the roster? Unless they are better than DeSean, which you already admit they probably wont be, why would you want to take the ball out of DeSeans hands and put it in inferior talents hands?

          • GEAGLE

            Lol depends on what type of WR you are adding stylistically,.if you add Brandin Cooks, guess what, he ain’t taking coopers snaps in the packages we use him in..
            ,.
            I think the eventual vision is to be more package based, having a plethora of weapons to where we can throw different stylistic weapons out there….if they aren’t worried about Balls going around and his attitude in the future, and we all agree that he is a great player we all want on the field, then someone name another possibility as to why we would trade such a great player. I’m waiting,,,,

          • Jernst

            He wants a new contract with another signing bonus 2 years after the last one. And, we are worried that he will again sulk and be a detriment to the team until he gets more guaranteed money. A broke DeSean with no financial guarantees, who’s making “business decisions”, is not what we want to deal with going forward. There…

          • Jernst

            ….Or we’re just so worried that we’re gonna hit on all our WR draft picks this year and have SOOOOOOO many weapons that DeSean, who probably is still the best weapon of the bunch, will get sad. And, even though none of this has happened yet and we have no idea how the draft will turn out, we are actively trying to get rid of him pre-emptively in case it does…in the future….

          • GEAGLE

            That falls under #2 on my list: FUTURE attitude

            #1 was that he was a detrimental cancer this year, which I don’t believe…

            So someone give me #3 reason

          • Jernst

            Keep moving that goal post, dude

          • GEAGLE

            Future money drama is only different, if we don’t mind throwing more money at him…if not it’s still future Drama…and if we didn’t think we would add more weapons that we will have to pay, then why wouldn’t they restructure and avoid the future Drama……if he is traded, the only thing I can see is because we don’t want to deal with him in the future…does the why really matter? If that’s the issue you can either FIX it, put up with it, or trade it away…..If we are ok with fixing it or dealing with it, then he won’t be traded
            ..
            I just don’t believe he was a cancer this year. I seen team mates speak up for him about his improved team attitude…and the times he acts a prick I don’t think it effects our team..I think the players look at it as “Manny being Manny”… So if he wasn’t intolerable this year, and we think he will be intolerable in the future, the only thing I can see is over touches…..I never seen Desean act a fool before when he was thrown 15 balls a game
            ..
            So what are we worried about in the future that would make us trade him?

          • Warhound

            The Eagles found out that Freeman and McNulty are building a case against him and want to make a trade before the upcoming arrest.

          • aub32

            G more weapons doesn’t mean our weapons are as good. Thomas >>>> Maclin. Welker >>> Sproles. Decker >> Cooper. Thomas > Ertz (from what we have seen). Thats like saying a team with 8 WRs have more weapons than the greatest show on turfs.

          • GEAGLE

            NO!!!!! I’m talking about quality weapons…did you see me list Celek? Or Casey? How about Brad smith?

          • Jernst

            We have a quality weapon in DeSean…why would we try to actively replace him with another weapon or even two weapons? Why not keep DeSean and add just one sure fire WR weapon in the draft and spend the other pick on defense.

          • Jernst

            Well…let’s see. First person to sacrifice is Cooper, then Sproles retires in 2 years and one of your great draft picks takes over, let’s say ODB. The other draft pick most likely fails. Because, see, you can’t just make team altering decisions based on the premise that you hit on 100% of your picks, because that’s not realistic…just like your theory.

          • aub32

            Whoa come on Mac is D Thomas HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA………………..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

            Whoa that was funny. DJax is still the best WR on this team. He will still put up better numbers than any pass catcher on this team. He will be the #1 still getting just as many if not more touches because he won’t be as easy to focus on. Mac is D Thomas aww man. You are one funny guy.

          • GEAGLE

            That’s exactly what I said…I think Maclin is Damryious Thomas???thanks for the worthless response. Add Aub to the minimize list who’s comments won’t appear on my page…you can disagree, but if you want to disagree you first have to correctly interpret what I right, or you are just wasting my time with nonsense responses….GEAGLE said Maclin is Damryious!!!!! Lol fool

          • Jernst

            “Mac is Demaryious” — GEAGLE 3 min ago

          • aub32

            Don’t get all hurt and sad dude. You clearly are so upset about desean that you went to the complete polar opposite extreme about trying to validate the move any way you can. That’s your thing. You think the team can do no wrong and every player will be a beast. I’m just pointing out that even though we have the bodies that doesn’t mean we have the talent that Denver had. Try not to be so sensitive.

          • Eagles4Life

            Lol this cannot be real. No way.

          • Jernst

            oh and I forgot…Maclin = Demaryious Thomas…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • GEAGLE

            Lol more quality weapons typically means less balls to go around, and everyone having to sacrifice…I think we are worried about how he will act then….if anyone has a better fheory as to why in the hell we would want to trade him, I read 10,000 posts this week about it, and have yet to read a theory that makes more sense for why Chip WOULD trade Desean

          • oreofestar

            More quality weapons equals more options which equals more efficiency which equals more plays which means more opportunities plus Desean touches will be fine I doubt 4 and 5 wrs are gonna be eating at his touches

          • GEAGLE

            Why would Chip trade Desean then? Why in hell would he ever want to do that, besides future attitude concerns? He ain’t committing crimes, his attitude concerns only fall under two categories: 1) Money, 2) Touches…I don’t know a number 3….

          • oreofestar

            I don’t freaking know, I have yet to see any concrete evidence saying Desean will be traded or seen any evidence Chip will not trade him so I personally do not have the dedication to start coming up with theories for what has not been proven

          • Jernst

            You’re actually kinda fun to argue with, GEAGLE. As time goes by you slowly drop your original supposition that started the argument and then slowly adopt our arguments as your own and somehow convince yourself that it was your idea all along and then continue to argue with us, even though we now apparently agree, all the while acting indignant as all hell that we would argue with you in the first place considering that you’ve just changed the entire argument. It’s actually really fascinating.

          • aub32

            Sorry to say but yours makes no sense either. I have never seen a team stop feeding their #1 WR because the other pieces who aren’t as good as he is should have the ball more. Please G. Just give me one example. I refuse to believe that you honestly think if we kept desean that he wouldn’t get at least 75 rec and 1100 yds.

        • Eagles4Life

          He would still be getting paid, regardless lol

    • Jernst

      So, Chip wants more speedy playmakers and the offense last year was hampered by a lack of said speedy playmakers, DeSean being the only one who opened everything up and “created space” for every one else, so the only logical thing to do is to move DeSean, our only speedy playmaker, for whatever we can, so we can finally add speed to our team…got it

      • GEAGLE

        If that’s your understanding of what I posted..go with god. Whether Desean is here or not, you are high if you think we ain’t adding SERIOUS speed to the WR position…

        • Jernst

          I have no doubt that we add speed. I just don’t have the confidence that you have that the speed we draft will be nearly as dangerous as the speed we already possess. Replace Avant with Maclin = good addition of speed. Replace Celek with Ertz = good addition of speed. Adding Sproles as an X-factor = good addition of speed. Ridding ourselves of the fastest player in the NFL and replacing him with an unknown draft pick who may not pan out at all does not = good addition of speed

          • GEAGLE

            Tired of this “draft pick that may or may not pan out”…do your god damn homework. Draft the right kid,Coach him the hell up til he pans out……look dude, I’m not advocating for a Desean trade…if we were to trade him, I doubt you could come up with a theory that makes more sense for why we traded him…
            ..
            HELLO I WANT him here!!!!

          • oreofestar

            I am sorry Geagle it just does not work like that if drafting was an exact science then teams with the highest picks would always get the best players, no you can not just expect a guy to be GREAT it just does not work like that no matter how dan good you are at evaluating talent

          • aub32

            So we’ve never drafted a bust?

          • oreofestar

            nah

          • Jernst

            Theory: DeSean demanded a new deal that was out of line and we dont want to deal with his petulance over his deal any more. That’s a more realistic theory.

            Why are you tired of hearing that the draft is a crap shoot? Even professional GMs that “do their homework” and professional coaches you spend their lives “coaching people up” are successful less than half the time. Are you mad, cause it’s the truth? The draft pick has less than 50% chance of making it and very little chance of matching DeSean. So…yea…he might not pan out. And, thus it doesn’t make sense to trade a known commodity for a single draft pick in an attempt to replace that player with a similar player. In fact, it makes no sense at all…just like your theory

          • oreofestar

            Theory:None
            Result:Desean stays
            Me:I dont kill myself

          • Ertz Donut

            Last 4 years of Wrs taken in top 25 starting in 2010:

            Dez Bryant
            Damaryas Thomas
            Julio jones
            AJ Green
            Justin Blackmon
            Michael Floyd
            Tavon Austin

            We won’t get a first rounder but in a draft this WR deep a second is like a top 25 in previous years. Also, we could trade a 3rd and our first to move into top 10. Great chance we can get a receiver as good or better than Desean who will cost WAYYYY less and be a Chip culture guy. Makes very good sense to me

          • oreofestar

            1. For every great pick there is a bust 2. A 3rd round pick will not vault us into the top 10 3. Stop with the whole this class is so deep thing when half of them are going to be busts 4. Do you have to get rid of Desean to draft a WR no it just makes it a bigger need which is not actually a good thing

          • Ertz Donut

            You are wrong. When it comes to receivers in the first few rounds there is not a bust for every great pick and all we need is a good pick anyway. Desean is below average at blocking. below average at going over the middle. Below average in the red zone. Below average with his attitude, culture, and constant new salary demands. Also he’s an average value at 10 million a year. It’s such an easy decision. Trust in Chip always. Also, we could absolutely trade an early 3rd like the raiders have and our 22 to get to number 10. DUH..

          • Eagles4Life

            Prove it.

          • Ertz Donut

            Pick value calculator. Google it

          • Eagles4Life

            That has precisely ZILCH to do with your statement about him being an “average” value at 10 mil/yr. I’ll wait.

          • Ertz Donut

            True I’m wrong he’s a below average value at 10.5 mil. It appears the entirety of NFL FOs agree with me. Sorry your opinions aren’t shared by any professionals…

          • Eagles4Life

            Nice attempt at making yourself seem smarter than you are. Let me help you out here, though. All teams know the Eagles are intent on unloading Jackson, so why in the heck would they pay him at his current rate with a trade, when they have complete control over the market if/when he gets released?

          • Ertz Donut

            He won’t get released. Are you that slow?? Pay attention bag boy. Go eat some more ranch dressing bubbles lol!!

          • Eagles4Life
          • Ertz Donut

            Oh I guess he’s getting released then says it right in that article. Thx for clearing things up. Your an idiot I’m done with u move along

          • Eagles4Life

            1. You’re vs. Your. Knowing the difference will make you not look like an idiot when you are trying to make someone else look like one.

            2. The purpose of the article was not an attempt to show you that he will be released, but the strategy being used by the FOs that you think your miniscule brain is akin to.

            The speculation is that there were feigned reports of interest of teams. Obviously a move has not been made to date, so FOs are waiting it out to see if the Eagles are truly serious about getting rid of Jackson. The longer they hold out, and if it is true we want him gone, they better shot they have at getting him on the open market without having to give something up for him. Dummy. Now, YOU are free to move along.

          • Ertz Donut

            Grammar cop?! You really have a lot of hate built up inside. So sorry for you’re bagness. Please find someone else to cry at bubbles

          • Eagles4Life

            Ran out of faulty arguments and dry humor, eh? Lol take your loss and go home.

          • Ertz Donut

            I am home and you’re too far gone to see the truth. Everything coming out right now further supports how wrong you are. Desean is overpaid and WAY overrated by you and the Eagles entire fan base. He’s not even a top 20 WR and now we’re seeing the ENTIRE league agrees. We will get a mid round pick from a desperate team..

          • Eagles4Life

            Have you checked the latest article?

            “And teams also benefit from suggesting that the Eagles could cut Jackson. They can then negotiate with him on the open market and keep their draft picks.”

            Smarten up, donut brain.

          • Ertz Donut

            Thanks again for supporting my argument!

          • Jernst

            sanity…thank you

          • ryyndynyyls

            You skipped:

            DeAndre Hopkins
            Cordarelle Patterson
            Kendall Wright
            AJ Jenkins
            Jonathan Baldwin

            Also, from your list I’m gonna call out Blackmon, Floyd, and Austin because they actually belonging on my list. Now let’s add to it that Desean’s numbers this past year (in Chip’s system which is what counts, at this point) were as good or better than the remaining 4 on your list. Let’s say Jones is excused for injury. There is no arguing that Desean is less of a headache than Bryant. It’s arguable that Demaryius is a product of Manning alone, seeing as Decker’s numbers were comparable, as were Julius Thomas’. Yes, those four guys are equitable in their production to Jackson, but only Jones (and Austin [who is Desean Lite]) spreads the field the way that Desean does. Kelly’s offense needs that type of player. And to Jernst’s credit, all you did was prove his point. Here’s another stat that doesn’t lie. 17% of 1st round WRs do NOT make multiple Pro Bowls. McLane and others are on the record as saying that thinking you can replace a multi-Pro Bowl WR in the draft is bad logic.

            Side note: 60 of Desean’s 82 receptions last year were for FIRST DOWNS.

          • ryyndynyyls

            Sorry, 17% DO make multiple Pro Bowls. 83% DO NOT.

          • ryyndynyyls

            Rechecked my facts. It is actually 10.8% mutli Pro Bowl WRs over the past 10 years from the first round:

            http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-04-22/nfl-draft-2012-first-round-disappointments

          • Ertz Donut

            Moron. U need to re-read my message and double check when those dudes were drafted. Also half of those guys will be better than Desean all very young..

          • Ertz Donut

            17% ?!?!?!?! Stop making things up tool. If u wait 6 years 58% of WRs taken in 1st round go pro bowl. Just go back 12 years and do the math. Chip knows more than u what he does is right you’re a troll

          • GEAGLE

            Your theory is trash…if the problem was Desean asking for a new deal, the eagles would leak it and use it to try and justify this. Every fan is against this, if Desean jaywalked we would be hearing it leaked

          • borntosuffer

            Wouldn’t they leak it AFTER they traded him? Not saying this is what happened – just that before they trade him they wouldn’t want his trade value to go down. Hard to figure out what is going based on game performance alone. I wonder if it has anything to do with Jackson not being fully on board with the sports science stuff – enough sleep, etc. Do all the players wear that sleep monitor all the time? Just a wild-assed guess.

    • OregonDucker

      Truth GEagle! But I believe there is something else that has also been mentioned on this board – the poster though was crucified, so I am not going there. Heavy emotions in this situation. Keep yar head down and hold on to your balls.

    • Tom w

      So you aren’t buying that he is broke and faked the robbery w no forced entry for the insurance money?

      • Jernst

        That’s the theory that makes the most sense to me. Djack is broke! He spent all his money on Bentleys and Diamonds and rap albums. There isn’t a month that goes by that you don’t see or hear of one of his $20,000 bills at a club, Rosenhous suing him over $200,000 that DJack owes him…then he gets robbed of a bunch of cash in a shady situation and now he wants more money…and of course he’s gonna say he didn’t get it, I mean…he’s got to feed the monkey, man…did that ever occur to you,

        • Warhound

          Be careful now, or someone on this board will put a big red R on your forehead.

          • Jernst

            The teams 90% african american, I am not worried about any of the other players being flat broke, except Jackson, and that’s simply because he openly spends his money foolishly and there’s constantly whispers about him being broke as well as owing people money. Has nothing to do with race. If you want to call me a racist, because I think $20,000 bills at clubs and restaurants are a foolish way to spend your money and that it’s easy to go broke spending money like a drunk sailor on shitty albums that don’t sell and diamond necklaces, I’m sure you’ll find a bunch of african american men and woman on this board who agree with me.

            The last player that was let go because he was broke and wanted a new above market deal was David Akers. His forays into bankruptcy came from bad investments that just happened to not be as absurd and out there as Jacksons.

          • Warhound

            Whoa…I’m not calling you racist. Some others have tossed that accusation around here when they are losing an argument. I guess I wasn’t being clear.

          • Jernst

            Oh ok … good…I really didn’t want the big red R on my forehead, haha

          • Warhound

            Definitely the new Scarlet Letter!

          • anon

            What? DJax makes $10mm a year. If you made 100k and spent $200 bucks on dinner would you think that’s crazy? It’s the same ratio.

            On his business ventures, who cares, rather him waste it on stuff he likes than get swindled by a business manager, it’s a hobby.

          • Jernst

            dumbest most nonsensical comment of the night. If you continually drop that much on dinners and clubs with no meaningful investments you go broke, when you only have your salary that you speak of for 5 or so years at most. I make over a hundred grand a year, but guess what, my salary is pretty much guaranteed to be stable until I decide to retire somewhere between 60-70 years of age. If I could only make 6mil a year for 5 years, I’d want to make it last. Spending money like an idiot is why people like DeSean end up broke, just like TO or MC Hammer.

    • Tom w

      I think that he wants a new deal not just a restructured deal is more likely than the eagles predicting djax would be mad he didn’t get enough targets

      • Jernst

        ding ding ding

      • Token

        Remember its a new agent who has never gotten a dime from Jackson, so im sure he wants a new deal to be done too.

      • GEAGLE

        Sorry, but Desean doesn’t want more then 10mil a year….that’s not the issue at all…he wants the 20mil we owe him converted to some guarentees

  • oreofestar

    Also let me get this straight people assume we can replace Desean’s production because of the heavenly Chip Kelly offense, if we were trading for Alshon Jeffery or something I would say hell yeah we will be fine but we are not the chances are if Desean leaves he is being replace by Cooks, Moncrief, Benjamin, ODB, Matthews or whoever and if the plan is getting 1300 yards out of guy who has never played a snap in the nfl and banking on that player then that plan freaking sucks

    • Tom w

      More likely it will be replaced by maclin and rookie w speed and increased role for ertz. Sproles improves upon avant and offers a lot more options and coop does what he does 60 1000 9. Other rookie wr we draft replaces maclin should he leave in a year. Don’t mistake it this is a running offense first, speed second, passing third. Odb cooks lee and moncrief Matthews Robinson Landry. Throw in crazy colt Lyeria or cj fed

      • oreofestar

        Maclin is coming off an acl and even healthy has not proven to be a number 1 guy, a rookie with speed may or not pan out I am sorry but that is the truth, Sproles I agree with and no way Coop posts those kinds of numbers he will get way more defensive attention if the defense does not have to worry about Desean if Desean leaves expect Coop to regress as well

        • Tom w

          Cooper got his coverage not bc of djax but bc the defense was putting eight or selling out to stop the run … Shit the saints played djax in man coverage all game long lol. And you act like maclin is handicapped … Howie saw him everyday and knows he is ready to play. Plus ertz will be better. And the rookies will help … Not going to presume busts seeing how well we drafted last two years and advantage w have drafting w chip stoutlands recent NCAA exposure

          • anon

            lots better options at 4 pick than 22 pick

      • anon

        no way coop gets same yards he might actually get guarded next year. notice he hadn’t done anything late in the season. great in red zone though.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          But he also didn’t enjoy an entire season with Foles who actually threw him the ball. I’m not saying he’s gonna be lights out, but he could certainly replicate last yrs numbers or come close with more opportunities actually getting targeted.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      You’re looking at it too one dimensionally. Coop, Shady, Foles AND DJax all had career years in that offense in yr1 of Chip’s tutelage. Every one of those players has been in the league for a number of years and it’s not coincidence that they all blossomed. With the exception of Foles of course. But you could also make a damn good case for his sophomore season as well seeing how far he came so quickly. While DJax was a part of that success, he wasn’t the basis of that shared success.

  • oreofestar

    It’s like just as soon as I get impressed with this FO and put trust in them they find way to destroy it all

    • Tom w

      Whose to say it’s them???? Whose to say it’s not Jackson trying to force a new deal down the eagles throats??? Not fair to thrown stones unless you really no the truth Trying viewing it from the front office view or player view or coach view and not a fan

      • Philly0312

        Concur with Tom. DJax camp has been fueling this entire thing from day 2 after the Saints game. Hell…now he has friends saying “5% chance he is back”. Whatever. I’ll believe the Eagles are legitimately trying to trade him when they do….and if they do, I’ll trust they have their reasons.

        • anon

          he also said he wanted to retire an eagle and that he’d be hurt if he was traded. hard to blame him for thinking he’s gone, especially if no one from the team is returning his calls. at least he hasn’t gone on tv, think he’s handling the best he can.

          • Philly0312

            I agree with that. But the people around him don’t know when to shut up; I’m sure he is upset, and I want him back and personally think this is all BS. But this story is still 60 percent hype and 40 percent based on fact
            ..up from 90/10. Arbitrary numbers to be sure…but until he is traded I’ll believe he will be an Eagle

            I don’t think djax has actually called the team…did I miss this story?

    • Ig_l

      Why don’t we just wait for the outcome and base our opinions on facts. If it turns out they traded him for very little return for no reason, then blast away. if Desean is about to be in some kind of trouble and they unload him before the truth comes out, then they’re geniuses.

      Until then there’s nothing to have an opinion about. I’m certainly not going to say someone screwed up based on a bunch of non-named sources.

  • Goombachiphi

    Okay I have no plans on a Friday night so slight mini rant coming. There is absolutely no chance that anything major has happened behind the scenes with DeSean. Think about it; there are apparently 90,000 sources within the eagles front office willing to leek information about trade talks. That information has every reason to be kept within a small circle of people in the know. That could all be related to a strategy they have in mind, but let’s for a second take that at face value.

    How could there possibly be some major dust up/illegal activity/ contract dispute without anybody knowing it. There are 53 players on the team, probably something like twenty coaches, limitless media, and a bunch of front office/ maintenance staff who could have witnessed something like that. So take only the people most likely to know the reason for wanting to break ties with Jackson, how could they all keep silent on the topic? It is not possible.

    They are trading him because of something we know about, contract/money or some petty locker room crap. TLDR: THIS IS A HUGE MISTAKE

    • Jernst

      agreed

    • Tom w

      Nah we never knew that Washburn was a major problem or that Nnamdi was anti social or that Mcnabb was going to the skins …. Eagles never leak info. Why would they? Only hurts his trade value

      • Goombachiphi

        We knew washburn and Nnamdi were problems. Mcnabb was just the front office which I think is better at controlling the release of information than the rest of the organization.

        absolutely plausible counter-argument though

  • djack10

    im still convinced that unless someone comes up big on draft day, this is not happening. this is how you create a market for him though and drive up any potential asking price.

    • oreofestar

      All the trade rumors and conflicting reports on whether we want him only hurt his value

      • Jernst

        not only hurt his value, but hurt the chances that he plays well for us if we do decide to keep him. No one can play this off, like this was the FO’s plan all along. This isn’t some sort of long con. It’s a farcical miscalculation.

        • djack10

          ok i’ll go with that. this clearly needs to be filed in the wtf category. and of course casey freaking matthews will still be on the team just for spite.

          • Jernst

            Disheartening for sure…

      • OldDocRoss

        People are greatly overstating the impact that trade rumours will have on his value. If there are multiple teams wanting him the Eagles will be able to use that to drive up his value.

        If there aren’t multiple teams interested his value will be low.

        In the same way the Eagles aren’t sitting there thinking “first team to offer a 4th wins!!” if another team (knowing they face competition) genuinely reckons he’s worth a 1st and try to low ball the Eagles with a 3rd, they aren’t going to refuse to go any higher cos DGunn and Kempski said the Eagles wanted to trade.

        • Kev_H

          Yup I think they’re working it brilliantly if they want to trade him. They’re giving everybody a chance to clear cap room and are creating the optimal market. If he ends up on the team, he’ll essentially be in a contract year knowing his best outcome will be to win Chip over and stay in his current deal. If he tanks his career will be over for all intents and purposes.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Hmm, Jackson’s camp has named the 49ers, Seahawks & New England as possible destinations. Sounds more like wishful thinking than reality. Although the 49ers have some extra picks that could become useful, if they can clear the cap space that is. Plus it brings DJax to his home state.

    • OldDocRoss

      Yeah, 49ers make most sense of those three. They’re in win now mode and there’s a few moves they could make to clear cap space (Gore could be reworked or cut for example). Others seem like wishful thinking on D-Jax part.

      I want no part of DeSean in the NFC, especially if we have to play him in 2014. Also, Kaep to DeSean seems like something that could work out pretty well so I’d rather not see it. Trade him to Oakland. He still gets to go back west, but isn’t likely to be coming back to haunt us too often.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Unfortunately Al Davis passed away (bless his soul), or it’d already be a done deal and we’d be sitting on another 2nd & 4th.

        • OldDocRoss

          The Reaper can be such a dick with his sense of timing.

          But you really think we could only have got a 2nd and a 4th? From the man who spent the 7th pick on Heyward Bey? Come on. At least a couple of firsts and….have Oakland got any players worth a damn? Any at all?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Paying some respect to the dead and giving the guy the benefit of a doubt.

            Ehh, as far as players worth a damn. Not really. They weren’t like 60 gazillion under the cap for no reason. I’d take a 2nd & Pryor maybe. That’s a pretty high second and you get a guy that can compete at backup and maybe develop. Hell Chip might even turn Pryor into some crazy hybrid receiver. But after Nhamdi, I really don’t want anyone from the Raiders organization.

      • anon

        Agree, not with out secondary.

        • OldDocRoss

          Pissed off DeSean >>>>>>> Sconces.

          Even in the mess that was 2012.

  • TripSquadMonopoly

    Our offense takes a GIANT step backwards if he goes. Idc about Sproles or Maclin being back.

    • Token

      Disagree. Jackson is not the end all be all of the offense.

      • oreofestar

        Not the end but we would be taking a huge step back from being a top 2 offense to a top 5-10 offense

        • Token

          Possibly. But it doesnt really matter. They clearly arent going for it this season anyway. maybe next year. Or 2016, no 2018.

          • oreofestar

            AH HELL if we get one by the time Foles retries mission accomplished

        • Jerry Pomroy

          On paper in March…

          Maybe, maybe not. Maybe the defense improves enough to offset by getting off the field more and giving the offense more opportunity. Maybe special teams can actually get some decent field position. Maybe the entire team takes a step forward being more balanced.

          • oreofestar

            We also would lack a number 1 wr if Desean leaves that kinda hurts

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Its March, no? No draft yet. Haven’t seen the roster unfold. Maybe Sproles has a career year. Maybe they draft an ODB & he benefits just like the other guys in their first season with Chip. You’re putting way too much weight on that one player as if he was atlas holding up the world.

          • oreofestar

            Right now because of dead money and lack of proven replacement on the roster I seriously think we should keep Desean this year certain and then come back next year and evaluate where we are

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But what if he pulled the same antics he did before when he was unhappy with his money? Is that putrid play a #1 receiver? Not saying he would, but given his history, it’s certainly more possible than unlikely.

          • oreofestar

            Maybe we should wait for him to do so before trading him based on an assumption

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But what if he does?? You’ll get nothing for him then because no team is gonna trade for him, just like they didn’t 3yrs ago.

            You can’t say for sure that you “know” what you have in him, because that could be looked at and go either way.

          • oreofestar

            Here is the thing we are so early in the offseason that they probably have not discussed an extension and such a deep level that you can come to the conclusion that all hope is lost and it is time to get rid of him, plus if he wants to be an Eagle like he said you work with him

          • OldDocRoss

            Devil’s advocate – going into last season there would have been a significant number of people who’d have argued Maclin and DeSean were, if not of comparable value, at least not a million miles apart.

            I know it’s become fashionable to hate on Maclin but I think he could be hella productive next year if he stays healthy.

            Also, lets pretend all this trade crap doesn’t happen. Where would you rate “DeSean gets injured” on your list of concerns for the Eagles O in 2014?

            For me it would be well behind, in no particular order:
            – Shady injury
            – Health along the O-line
            – Foles regression

            This doesn’t make trading him smart, just trying to keep things in perspective for you.

          • oreofestar

            I get what you mean but I just do not like taking risks just to nab an extra day 2 pick, at least I know what Desean is and that is a 75 catch 1200 yard guy

          • Kev_H

            Once in 6 years. On average he’s been 60-1000-5. Good production, but nothing that can’t be replaced if it comes to that.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Mac could flourish as well in this offense as anyone else. I will say that is very reliant on him playing to win and not to get hurt (“self-tacklin Maclin”).

          • OldDocRoss

            I think the “self tacklin” thing got over played, although maybe that’s just because of memories of the hilariously/hair-pullingly contact averse Pinkston who thought it positively unseemly that he was asked to catch footballs while other gentlemen were in the same zip code.

            Honestly, I think Chip could have a ton of fun with Maclin. I’d happily wager imaginary interweb $s on him cracking 1,100 and 10TDs if he stays healthy.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            It was over played. But what I’m getting at is that Chip HIGHLY values RAC & blocking. Chip won’t stand for Mac going to the ground and not fighting for extra yards excessively.

          • OldDocRoss

            Yep, and Maclin certainly has improvement to make in his blocking, but for all we remember Avant’s block in Miracle at Meadowlands II, you know what other WR had an important block? Go back and watch Celek’s TD. That’s Maclin hustling back to make a……well…..certainly not decleating, but really important block nonetheless.

            On a one year prove it deal I see him putting in the effort and asides from the (lack of) blocking he has a lot of skills Chip will value.

          • RIP illa

            Are you sure the refs didn’t just miss a holding call on that block by Mac??? :-)

          • RIP illa

            And that’s the thing right there! Mac needs Chip to put him over the top. Needs him desperately. DJax benefited, but did not need the same.

          • OldDocRoss

            Mac’s had some bad luck. He had that illness/virus early in ’11 then 2012 was what it was. Everyone still on the roster gets a pass for the year* because it was such a clusterphuck.

            Before that he was awesome. 1700 yds at 14 TDs in his first two seasons? Hell yeah I’ll take that. I also completely accept he’s not been awesome for a while now, and in the interests of full disclosure, I thought Damaris and Casey would have decent years this season, so……

            *apart from Casey Matthews, obviously.

          • RIP illa

            Thought Chip would have loved to use Johnson’s explosion and shiftiness in space more. Figured Casey’s role was written, sorta, as soon as we drafted Ertz, but had no idea Celek would become the Brent of old and make the Casey signing obsolete.

            I hope Mac has a good year. I never hated him. Just thought he has always been over hyped. If he does breakout, I can’t wait to see what kind if contract he gets next!!! That should be a laugh riot for either position, FO’s or his. I just can’t understand, and say there’s no way, that you put all the emphasis on one breakout year, if he should have one. This is the 2nd time they are doing such a thing. I thought he should have been traded before or on draft day last year.

          • OldDocRoss

            Yeah, the ‘how do you give Maclin a big contract based on 1 year if you wouldn’t do it for #10 who had many years?’ thing is a really good point.

            The thing that annoys me most about the people who say DeSean’s contract (and him ‘whining’ about it) is the problem is that when he signed it, precisely everyone assumed it would be renegotiated after two years. It was an “F YOU for saying you were distracted” coupled with an acceptance of “you’re pretty awesome” and we all figured if things went well and DeSean put up numbers and kept his head down then he’d get him some more guaranteed $s at a lower cap number.

            Except by all accounts DeSean’s done his bit and…….? I keep coming back to “there’s some behind the scenes schit”.

          • RIP illa

            Exactly.

          • Ig_l

            Devil’s advocate: Desean got 82 receptions last year because it was the first time since his rookie season he played every game.

          • RIP illa

            I don’t see how that’s devil’s advocate to what I said.

          • Maggie

            Now, now. Pinkston did wave a couple down once or twice a year. :~)

          • anon

            Shady injury just makes way for bryce brown!!!!

          • OldDocRoss

            And Foles regression = BARKLEY TIME!

            So we’re basically agreeing there are no concerns on offense?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            If we were talking Sir Charles, I’d be excited because it would be an absolute train wreck. Something you tell your grandkids bad. Matt’s gotta prove himself worthy of the opposite.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Who??

          • RIP illa

            Not for nothing, but most of the peoe who rated DJax and Mac as being comparable just didn’t like DJax and was hoping Mac was better. I really can’t see how going into last season anybody could make a credible argument for Mac being better or just as good. Even if he would have not gotten injured and put up better numbers than what DJax just did, how could you not write it off as a one time occurrence or fluke? Like I said…a lot of haters wanted him to be better for many years, but ever happened.

            Anyway…Shady, Foles, DJax/OL would be my order of concern for the O. Shady can, has, and did over up a lot of not so great blocking from the OL. DJax needs someone capable to throw him the ball, so that’s why Foles is next. DJax makes a lot of other WRs look better and have an easier time. And the OL needs to hold out long enough for Foles to make those throws, so that’s why I put them along with DJax. Although I give DJax a slight nod.

            However since he won’t be here next year, then it’s Shady Foles, OL.

          • OldDocRoss

            I love D-Jax and Maclin. I’m willing to accept my Maclin love could look foolish if he has to become the #1 guy but I thought him and DeSean complimented each other pretty well – DJax being the deep guy and Maclin being the reliable/RZ threat.

            Gun to head, I’d have OL health above DJax health purely because I’ve got zero faith in the back-ups there. Barbre was fine, but other than that? I think we absolutely dodged a bullet by being so healthy in that area.

            TBH the “we got lucky with injuries” thing is why I’m way more upset by the fact we haven’t added depth in FA the way I hoped rather than being pissy about the lack of a Byrd or whoever.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah we did get very lucky in the injury front. I was kinda hoping for some minor ones when we played against real bad teams, just so we could see more if what we had for depth. And I agree on the FA OL aspect. Really thought The Weasel (Roseman) would have brought in some guys to battle it out for when camp starts. And not just bums but guys that could actually be solid. However, there’s still time. We still got the (gulp) draft and of course cut downs. But FA should have been the time to strike.

          • OldDocRoss

            Agree entirely.

            Show me a team that spent big on big name FAs and won the Super Bowl and I’ll show you a unicorn.

            But you damn sure want to be adding some decent squad players who can add depth or maybe break out in a way nobody foresaw.

            For me, we’ve signed one OK safety (a huge upgrade over Chung, but still only OK) a RB/WR hybrid who is at the tail-end of his career and some ST guys. In a weird way Nolan Carroll is the signing I like most because I think there’s real upside there. The rest? Meh. Is there really a guy in our FA class that anyone thinks the rest of the league will regret passing on?

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            “Not for nothing, but most of the people who rated DJax and Mac as being comparable, just didn’t like DJax and were hoping Mac was better.”

            Based on what?

            “I really can’t see how going into last season anybody could make a credible argument for Mac being better or just as good.”

            Their stats aren’t THAT different as of that time, so, it’s not really out of the question that pre-injury Mac was comparable to D-Jax in terms of WR.

  • oreofestar

    So sad…it seems all but inevitable that our FO is going to give up a pro bow wr in his prime fore nothing

  • cliff henny

    Vick in NYJ, Pats want Jax, Brady on the clock w/ no weapons and vision of sugarplum Moss dancing in his head. best we can hope for is AFC bidding war, with the winner being Cleveland and their 3 top 40 picks

    • oreofestar

      How would Pats afford him after signing Revis, Browner, Edelman, and Lafell

      • Philly0312

        Simply rework the contract and give him a small base salary and a large signing bonus

      • anon

        hahah lafell

      • cliff henny

        pats are always well under cap. belli run half that defense w/ 5th-7th rd and udfa picks it seems.

        • oreofestar

          but right now…

          • Kev_H

            They are way under cap.

  • oreofestar

    Gosh this Desean stuff is stupid Jeez just do not trade him, damn I just want to see some more Lane in the slot

  • ryyndynyyls

    Can we just all read this really quickly?

    10.8% of WRs chosen in the 1st round over the course of the last 10 years have made multiple Pro Bowls. Please read this if you think drafting to replace is wise or even possible. Stop the madness.

    • ryyndynyyls
      • Ertz Donut

        Such a bad stat. Do you really not see the flaw here. Please tell me your not that dumb. What’s wrong with that stat?????

        • ryyndynyyls

          Nevermind. This dude is right. The stats are wrong. 75% of 1st round picks are multi Pro Bowlers.

          • Ertz Donut

            Look at first 25 picks WIDE RECEIVER only buddy. How many in the last 6 years are pro bowl by their 3rd year. Hint ^*^* you have to go back nine years and start six years ago to figure out. It’s 60 %. Do it

          • anon

            so you’re saying instead of using our first pick on D we should just replace a guy we already have?

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Saves money. Not trying to justify it, but it’s not a bad reason.

          • ryyndynyyls

            LookinAtMyGucci is the FO accountant. Thanks for all of your tireless work LookinAtMyGucci! Thanks to you we have nearly 16mil rollover! You have been so resposible, and we ALL are so thankful as Eagles fans for your tireless effort in the process of making sure we cut dead weight and keep within our spending limits. Your wisdom is without limits and I think I speak for all Eagles fans when I thank you in advance for the Super Bowl win in 2019.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            You’re welcome.

          • ryyndynyyls

            Dear “LookinAtMyGucci”,

            How do YOU believe the Eagles will budget through the ’16 and ’17 seasons in order to make sure their coveted Top 10 overall pick from ’14 of Sammy Watkins will not be scalped by another team? Should we cut Foles…? He does have character issues. Loves anime according to reports. Do you think we could get a 5th or maybe a 6th for him? Probably best to deal him away before the anime thing really affects the other dudes in the locker room. Connor Barwin says that contrary to what the media is saying he’s actually a really great dude. How would YOU assess his value? Maybe we should take a 5th and hope it’s a “REALLY DEEP QB DRAFT”…

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Foles doesn’t drink, which is a character flaw in my opinion. However, it’s probably not one that is detrimental to the locker room culture. We should probably ship off Foles and a 1st to Washington for Deangelo Hall and John Beck.

          • Ertz Donut

            Saying we should replace a guy we”re about to trade with someone who gives us a better chance to keep the players we like and a better chance to win.

          • Eagles4Life

            Lol and there’s no way possible to do both? Riiiiiight.

          • Ertz Donut

            Sure doesn’t look like it buddy but we will find out

          • ryyndynyyls

            Did you look at the link? It IS wide receiver specific. Ionno dude, you seem bent on the idea that we need to waste a first round pick on a receiver. Enjoy, homie. 10.8% of first round WIDE RECEIVERS do not make multiple pro bowls. THIS IS NOT CONJECTURE.

          • Ertz Donut

            Did u say 10.8% do not make multiple pro bowls????

          • ryyndynyyls

            Also, 25 picks?!?! League is smaller than I thought…

          • ryyndynyyls

            YO NEVERMIND I JUST RE-READ THIS DUDE’S COMMENTS AND NOW I GET IT. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS GIVE UP DESEAN, 6MIL IN DEAD CAP SPACE AND TRADE UP (HOW?) TO NAB SAMMY WATKINS WHO IS THE FIRST WIDE RECEIVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL WITH A 0% CHANCE OF NOT SHAKING OUT IN THE NFL. WE’LL ONLY LOSE A LOT OF MONEY, WHICH IS OKAY BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 16.7MIL RIGHT NOW AND TIMES IS TIGHT. ONCE WE HAVE THIS ROOKIE ONT HE FIELD AND HAVE WASTED OUR FIRST ROUNDER ON HIM WE CAN USE THE TWO 3RD ROUNDRS WE HAVE TO START CONSIDERING THE DEFENSIVE NEEDS OF A TEAM THAT ENTERED THE OFFSEASON AT A RESPECTABLE “NEAR LAST” IN ALMOST EVERY CATEGORY ASIDE FROM RUN BLOCKING.

          • Ertz Donut

            Sammy will be very good that’s obvious to anyone who understands football

      • Ertz Donut

        How many of the top 20 receivers in the league made pro bowl as a rookie?? Look it up hawking

      • Kd711

        Don’t you think it’s worrisome that the 2014 first round receivers haven’t made multiple pro bowls yet? And the first rounders from 2013 haven’t either?? I mean it only took DeSean six seasons to make his second Pro Bowl.

        • ryyndynyyls

          If you actually looked at the link it’d be quite clear that there are stats that break down first year (in commensuration with rookie potential) and then expound upon a longer view of what that portends. One thing I find strange though is that in this article the pundits are claiming that the ’17 draft is so loaded with RB talent. Every single one of these running backs has already made five to six Pro Bowls. When the ’17 draft comes around you’ll be fine cutting Shady, losing 6mil in dead cap and drafting to replace, right?!?!?! It’s a sure thing. Not to mention that no one in the ’17 class has been caught on film snatching a Redskins banner out of a fan’s hands prior to a game. These kids are wholesome. Clearly no thugs in the ’17 draft.

        • Ertz Donut

          Exactly my point!!!! Thank you

    • oreofestar

      Wait so a rookie replacing Desean’s production is not guaranteed

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      What about 2nd rounders?

      • ryyndynyyls

        2nd round info is also in that same writeup. The numbers are lower. You get the point. Don’t be a smart ass.

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          “Don’t be a smart ass.” Ironic, coming from you. I was serious, though…. Shockingly, the article titled “NFL Draft: First-round disappoinment more likely than success” doesn’t touch on second round draft picks, since, you know, it talks about first rounders. It’s also two years old. While the point is taken, it’d be nice to know some updated figures since it leaves out two draft classes as well as the 3WR in the first round of 2011, which was the last full season before your statistically biased piece was written. Of those three picks, 2 have been to the pro bowl, 1 to multiple. Baldwin is a bust, but it’s safe to say Julio Jones will make another pro bowl and AJ Green will keep racking them up. That would skew data, though. We could also touch on the fact that pro bowls aren’t the best analysis of production since pro bowl selection is subjective, but that would make this pretty irrelevant. We don’t have to tell anyone how meaningless this two year old 10 year sample is, though. Your secret is safe.

    • Eagles4Life

      Amen.

  • Ertz Donut

    The Eagles will win 2 Super Bowls in the next 6 years and trading DeSean will be at the top of list of reasons why.

    • Ertz Donut

      DeSean is not elite. I have NO IDEA why you people think he opened things up for everyone?!?!?!????? He was NEVER EVER double teamed, NEVER EVER consistently beat good corners. All of our success in passing game was due to single coverage with safety in box because of Shady and the Olone

      • Ertz Donut

        Did Maclin not put up numbers similar to DeSean when they played together????

  • BigMick

    Trade DJax to Raiders for WR Andre Holmes, QB Terrell Pryor, and 5th round pick.

    • Andy124

      Rather have a 3rd.

  • Eagles1018

    Let’s hope the cowboys never win another ring at least in this century. But last century who remembers a coach named Jimmy Johnson? He made the craziest move ever by trading Herschel Walker. I don’t remember where Walker went or what the compensation was, but it was enough for Johnson to kill it in the draft and win 3 rings in the 90s. He knew what type of players he needed to be successful and he was willing to trade his best player to get him. If DJax is really gone then we have to trust the football mind in Kelly that it’s a smart decision. Even if we think it’s not. Our passion etc means nothing if this dude is getting paid to make the decisions. I for one, will miss him if he goes. That’s all in saying about this until we get a confirmation of where he’s playing in 2014.

    • Warhound

      Vikings

    • Kev_H

      There’s much merit in what you write. As a stupid fan, I’d like to see everyone return. But as much as it makes all the beat writers look foolish, including our hosts here, I’d say the Eagles are 100% in on Foles and preparing for his prime years. If they look at this year’s and next year’s draft classes and think their best bet is stocking up at wr this year, a deal makes sense. I’d also like to see TM or SK take a shot at grading out some of DJax games from a coach’s perspective. I think Kelly is all about guys making the most of every opportunity. I don’t think he’s willing to accept plays left on the field, even if it’s a trade off for spectacular plays. I’m not sure how that turns out, but generally I’m a fan of disciplined teamwork being the best shot at a title.

      • ryyndynyyls

        A third round pick isn’t “stocking up”.

      • ryyndynyyls

        ONE third round pick. And that’s if the media’s best case pans out… Sorry, homie, but that is just plain and simple NOT “stocking up”.

        • GEAGLE

          It won’t just be a 3rd round pick

        • Kev_H

          I assume they will pick 1 wr w/o trade. I don’t think they’re trading Jackson for the picks, they’ll just take what they can get, but use it on another wr in a deep draft. Two drafted wrs with roster space and potential playing time =stocking up to me. And how are you going to coach the new guys up properly if you let the vets, who should be leading the way, cut corners?

    • Andy124

      He traded Walker to the Vikings for a crap-ton of high draft picks. It was akin to the Ricky WilliamsRG3 type deals. If we got half of what Johnson got in that deal, people would not be complaining.

    • GEAGLE

      What would really kill me is when we play the giants, cowboys and skins who he has TERRORIZED over the years….wouldn’t feel right going into those division games with out having those teams fans trembling with fear over what Dagger he will stick in their heart this time….division games is when I’d miss him most….the clutch PR against the giants..the consistent molestation of skins and cowboys secondaries….god I’d miss him

      • Ark87

        oh jesus what if he went to the Skins, oh nvm they have no draft picks hehehe, losers.

    • RIP illa

      Yeah that was a good trade that happened as soon as Johnson took over right? That’s a little different than trading a guy who had a year, where he flourished and helped the team out. Also Johnson got 5 players from the Vikes and 8 draft picks from them in return. He gave up Walker and 4 draft picks. So that’s some pretty huge compensation, which goes along with the rational way to look at our current situation…If you’re gonna trade our best WR and superstar in this league, then the compensation better be really damn good.

      • GEAGLE

        If it were me, I would only trade him for a crazy offer that I don’t even have to think about…if I have to weigh if the value is good enough, then I’d automatically say no to the trade. Blow my socks off with an offer, or make it work

  • atlvickfan

    Send him to the Jets!

  • Eagles1018

    Still it hurts. Where are we gonna find this guy? I don’t care about what ifs he’s a sure bet. He’s proven. It hurts man…

    http://tweet.nfl.com/tc/211033?autoplay=true&h=294&ss=22377&w=435

  • Will

    WTF huge step backwards. WR’s who produce 1332 yards a season don’t grow on trees. Stupid no way the Eagles get fair compensation. Stunned one of the stupidest moves in the making….

    • GEAGLE

      60’of his catches went for first downs last year. That’s quality!!!

      • cliff henny

        because about 90% of his routes are 12-25 yds downfield. that might be some of Kelly’s issue.

        • GEAGLE

          Think the issue is you don’t need Desean attracting attention opening things up for everyone, when you throw waves of weapons at teams with a stocked arsenal of Moncreif,ODB,Mac,Coop,Ertz,Sproles, Shady,Celek….

          and if the plan is to throw waves at teams, and have a ton of weapons, individual stats would have to be sacrificed….how will Desean act then? Heck, Sproles is going to catch ATleast 60 balls on his own..

        • RIP illa

          Heard you say that yesterday. I thought then and still think now, that that’s a funny issue to have for a coach who called those plays that made him run those routes. And let’s just say, for the same of argument, that Kelly felt forced to call those routes, cuz that’s the only way he could use DJax. The production that Desean and Foles put up, still makes that point make kinda invalid to me.

          • cliff henny

            i’m not agreeing with it…Kelly does put his players in best position. but, that doesn’t mean he sees that as optimal. don’t know, not Kelly. but there’s a reason he is moving on from jax. everyone agrees jax is limited, personally don’t know why 1 guy like jax would be an issue, just have 4 other guys who aren’t, then wr group is fine. i cant get there on lockerroom cancer bs, has to be something on field.
            .
            why do you think Kelly is moving on from Jax?

          • GEAGLE

            I just think with the stacked arsenal he has in mind, desean doesn’t have the same value attracting attention opening things up for guys as he has when he is on the field with guys like Celek,Avant and Coop….no mater how we rationalize it, trading him is going to b horrible, I don’t care what the reason is…I’d rather keep him. And suspend him if he doesn’t fall in line. He is 27years old, he can’t afford to be missing what little time he has left on the bench or suspended….just keep him, and rule his ass with an iron fist at this point…rather risk suspending him then accept a 4th or 5th for him. Don’t give him a new deal, tell him straight up, act right, and you will see 20million dollars, act a fool and you will be home wasting the rest of your prime because we will stack this roster with so many weapons that you will be more expendable then ever. Tell him, you are under contract, you don’t get to go make more money to play for anyone else, feel free to hold out or do sit-ups in your driveway, we ain’t giving you a deal and plan on scoring 50 a game with or without you. Your options are in you living room, or in an eagles jersey..PERIOD!!

            If we are ok with trading him, why not just rule his ass like a Tyrant, and play some serious harball

          • borntosuffer

            Do you really want to go into the season thinking you might have to suspend one of your highest paid players because he isn’t falling into line? IF Chip is really thinking that, it is a reason to consider trading him. I think of TO when I think of iron fist.

          • GEAGLE

            I may be mistaken, but I don’t think you get paid when you are suspended do you?….and if we can only get a 4th or 5th, then yes I’d rather take our chances with keeping him..TO was a much worse problem because he was bashing his own team mates, and he was a friggin monster that our defensive beasts couldn’t just beat up in the locker room. Dude held is own with our friggin defensive End….

          • borntosuffer

            Agree with everything except “it has to be something on the field”. Based on Jackson’s performance, doesn’t at least some of it have to do with his cost and/or Chip not seeing him fully buying in to the program?

          • cliff henny

            cost is play, production vs salary…straight moneyball. there’s no reports Kelly ever had any issue with jax no buying in. if anything, opposite, jax learning all x,y.z routes in camp.

          • GEAGLE

            You think Chip really cares about the money so soon removed from being a college coach? I could see Howie looking at it that way easier then I can see Chip viewing it like that…and I’d be surprised if Howie has the power to trade an offensive player Chip values highly

          • cliff henny

            think Kelly is a control freak…mostly cause every good coach is. so, yes, sure he and Howie have spent a lot of time getting understanding of sal cap restraints. it’s huge part of nfl game. for Kelly to ignore it, find very difficult since i cant picture him digging thru players trash on his off days

          • borntosuffer

            Got it. I took too narrow a definition when you said “it has to be something on the field”.

          • RIP illa

            My speculation and conspiracy theories are that something went on with DJax that’s being covered up. Which I don’t really buy, because nothing gets covered up nowadays. If it were 10 years ago…then I’d be more inclined to believe that.

            So I’m left with, how the FO have always treated him. Not that he is some completely innocent victim. He has at times played into it. I think he’s viewed as a hold over from the Reid era and philosophy and despite everything he’s done to buy in and produce, and despite all the bullshit that Chip said to his face, Chip doesn’t like that. He doesn’t like the fact that he’s not one of his guys!

            I think that the Howie and Chip already had it in their minds that they were gonna ship him out cuz they just knew that he wouldn’t be able to handle Kelly’s approach and system. They just knew he was gonna F up and hang himself…but he didn’t. Yet, their minds were already made up so he’s gotta go and they’re gonna latch on to whatever shaky reasons they can to try and justify it.

            I also think that it’s a little ego driven on Chips part. He’s gonna show that he can do it his way, with his guys, come hell or high water, which is weird cuz he Andy’s guys still make up his O talent. But he’s determined to set an example. Chip is not a leader of men yet. He’s still has a little totalitarian rule to him, leftover from college. If it’s not completely smooth sailing then just try and endure until you can just get rid of the guy.

            There’s more I could write about the skeevy nature of people in power and apply it to both Howie and Chip, but the bottomline is that they just don’t want him here and there’s not a more solid reason other than that. So like I’m left always saying, this shit better work, especially after the poor handling and execution.

          • cliff henny

            agree with this. you put in there ‘not a system fit’…and that what catching 90% 12-25yd downfield is…so not sure why you are poo-poo’g that as invalid, cause that’s pretty much what i’m getting at. jax for 10m in Kelly’s system, he thinks he can moneyball it in the aggregate with addtions o Mac, sproles and 2nd yr Ertz…and all the bs that comes along with Jax, sure Kelly could do without. but he better get used to it…if he cant get used to grown men, with grown men minds being multi-millionaires and egos that come along, he better think about pushing servant like college kids around again.
            .
            hope it’s more being cold and calculating money vs production vs system than hubris, but do believe there’s some of that

    • Andy124

      I don’t think any type of receiver, or person in general, grows on trees. You see Will, when a man and woman love each other…

  • FMWarner

    Ugh. Just ugh.

    I really hope this is one of those times the Eagles bite their tongues despite everyone freaking out, and then eventually announce a deal that’s better than we could have hoped. Because frankly, I can’t imagine any way this scenario ends to the Eagles’ benefit. The only way I’d feel they got proper value is a top 10 pick, and that’s not happening.

    I also really hope that this isn’t a story the media created out of thin air and then goosed until it became an actual thing that they can then claim they knew all along.

    • GEAGLE

      The media certainly played it’s part

  • cliff henny

    what’s this, day 10 of d-jax circling the drain watch? you know something will be full on if there’s a Maclin running vid released by Eagles.

    • GEAGLE

      Awesome isn’t it? Not…now he is tweeting pics with Marcel Reese, adding to the Vick, Cam Newton and Pete Carrol pics he tweeted

      • cliff henny

        I looked outside this morning, saw a coyote staring at it’s shadow…so, i’ll assume that’s 6 more weeks of D-Jax BS. i’m mostly being entertained by watching posters go thru the 5 stages of grief

        • Andy124

          Can we be in multiple stages simultaneously? I think I’m in both denial and acceptance.

          • cliff henny

            sure…i’m in bargaining and anger…more bargaining now, how many/type picks, and send him to AFC

          • borntosuffer

            Yes, AFC please. How about the Jets? He and Vick had some nice connections.

        • GEAGLE

          As long as it’s chips call and not Howies, I’m fine with whatever…and I really don’t think Howie has the power to trade a player Chip really wants
          ..
          Fans need to get Chip not being able to deal with problem child’s out over their head, because he made it work with plenty of them, and you have some serious head cases, like Blount,Lyerla,Kyle Long who adore him. Kiko Alonso wasn’t exactly the most sane college player to deal with…
          ….
          I also can’t believe the ridiculous theory that he is broke because of a home robbery. How stupid do you have to be to believe that when we are in 2014 and every blood and Cript has a twitter and face book account lol. Believe it or not, gangsters, thugs and rappers have bank accounts to. If you really think Desean had all his money under his mattress, then god bless your simple heart lol

          • LateBird

            He faked the home robbery so he has an excuse for being broke.

          • cliff henny

            agree. at point just need to see it played out. Jax isn’t some irreplaceable star, but I don’t understand why they need to find out. if Kelly can make Cooper into a half decent pro, then there’s hope he can turn ODB and Moncrief (or whoever is drafted) into players. it wont be ’13’s team in ’14, that w/out Jax would have been insanely hosed. ’14 will have a lot more weapons, still spread teams out and give shady/oline number advantage in box. but, can do all this with Jax.

          • GEAGLE

            ATleast make sure you draft the players you want before trading him for crying out loud…if we only talking 3rd round picks, I doubt his value would decrease much after next season, even if his catches are less because of the increased weapons we have on offense….I get that we would want that pick for this draft. But I’d feel more comfortable if nTHEY secure the WRs they wanted in this draft, and then trade him for 2015 pics

          • Ark87

            not a good year to replace DJax at all, compensation will be low due to the relative value of draft picks this year is sky high, and it’s loaded with cheap young WR’s on the top end….and yeah the Birds can’t afford to go into the draft looking for a #1 reciever, you’ll likely end up settling on someone who should be good rather than the guy you want. Basically drafting for need again, lets not get into that again please, howie?

          • GEAGLE

            Forget the year…it’s NEVER good to trade a player that the world knows you want to trade!! When you trade a guy like him, you have to make teams come to you, pretend we are perfectly happy keeping him if they don’t offer enough value in return….it doesn’t matter the WR class, or what year it is, when we already played our hand so poorly. Those dynamics just compound an already poorly played hand by my beloved Howie…”you broke my heart Fredo”

    • Andy124

      Crap’s going to drag on ’till May. Ugh.

      • cliff henny

        no rush now. initially backlash is over. probably not best strategy to totally ignore it, but they got thru it.

        • GEAGLE

          Chip will quiet this down at the owners meeting….but that won’t mean that he is telling the truth, unless they shock us and complete the trade at the owners meeting instead of closer to draft, wich is what most of us assume

          • cliff henny

            tough to slow a runaway train. if no one is going to believe him, then it doesn’t matter what he says.

          • GEAGLE

            Especially when the owners meeting is a time of year when rumors are at it’s highest, where teams get together and discuss trades….this noise all happened before the owners meeting, unless they trade him now, the rumors will only intensify at the owners meeting,and we will have our coach looking like an idiot blatantly lying to everyone, simply because he can’t just announce to the world that we don’t want Him at all, because then he will be worth less then Matt Shaub

          • cliff henny

            yup, every coach or GM coming within 10 feet of Kelly and Howie will have an d-jax inquiry linked with 2 teams.

          • GEAGLE

            If we want to trade him, the media has destroyed our ability to get any quality value…you are almost better off, unloading him for whatever you can before the owners meeting, or just aborting your plan, restructure his contract and act like this was all just a media fabrication the entire time…going into an owners meeting like this is horrible!!

  • GEAGLE

    Cliff, do me a favor and break it down for me….if this were about money, we would ATleast try and negotiate and try and resolve it before ever letting it get to this point, but let’s pretend it’s about the money for a second. We owe him 20mil these next two years, I can almost guarentee that he doesn’t actually expect to earn more then 20mil these next two seasons…I would assume it’s more about wanting some of it upfront, and some GUARENTEED dollaz……would restructuring those 20mil, into some bonus’s and Guarentees to keep him happy have major ramifications on our cap going forward?

    • cliff henny

      cant, it’s always about the money. when someone says ‘it’s not about the money’…they just lied right in your face. so, here’s a copy and paste, why they might be looking to move on. guess the baseline assumption is Kelly doesn’t value Jax 1350 9td as worthy of 10m, he can get it in aggregate…moneyball
      .
      here’s the numbers. right now, sitting at 18m under. Jax hit would be 6m, but free 6m, so up to 24m. Eagles pay higher than average salary, why they don’t run into dead money issue, if Jax brings 2 solid picks, best guess is 10m in cap hit to sign whole ’14 draft class. ’15 cap is running over about 2m right now (assuming 140m cap), removing Jax’s 12m in ’15 and adding all the rookies of ’14 draft class(assume 10m again), gets them level. have another batch of rookies, 10m, which would be paid by rollover of 14m, or there abouts, will be some moves in ’14 that cost. now you have plenty of dead weight that can be cut to make room for ’12s class to be signed and more free agents.

      • GEAGLE

        So the ramifications are so bad that we wouldn’t ATleast try negotiating a resolution to make both parties happy before ever allowing it to get to this point? Basically if we have a problem with the money, there is no way to negotiate something that makes Desean happy without screwing ourselves?

        • cliff henny

          think that’s the baseline here…Jax sees himself as 10m guy, eagles don’t. so what’s there to discuss?

          • GEAGLE

            This situation snowballed to about as bad as it gets…When we talking about only getting a 3rd for Desean Jackson, what more do you have to lose? Why not ATleast try and lowball him incase we scared him straight and he really wants to be here. Franchises do it all the time. Golden Tate got seriously lowballed by the hawks, he laughed at them and went to Detriot…..I’m sure Desean would behave similarly but why not ATleast try to see if the realization of not being an eagle impacts him? ATleast give him a chance to make a sacrifice to stay? Atleast then you can say we tried, but he views his value too differently then our view. I mean a 3rd round pick is rock bottom, and we can probably thank Kempski and the media for that…

          • cliff henny

            no idea. guess they figure it’s a waste of time. see what trade offers they can stir up. if it’s crap, then hit the renegotiation table with jax. gets to that point, now it’s just degrees of repairing relationship.
            .
            who knows, but sounds like Kelly doesn’t want anything to do with Jax, like he caught him crapping in coffee-maker dislike.

          • GEAGLE

            This is seriously as bad as it gets. Fans are pissed at a 3rd round pick, but after how poorly we played our hand, allowing this all to leak, with Djax posting pics of his butt buddies around the league, let me warn Yous that we may be LUCKY to come away with a 3rd. We played our hand so poorly in a year that required finesse with the stacked WR draft, that I wouldn’t be surprised if we are left with a 4th or 5th round pick for the best WR we ever drafted since I been old enough to remember, who is coming off his best year….smh.

          • cliff henny

            as much as Howie and Chip ignore and crap on media, doubt little bad press is shaking there negotiations with other teams. hope they can atleast get 2nd/5th or 3rd/4th combo.

          • GEAGLE

            Man, we would have had to trade him a week ago to get that. They better pull the trigger like today if the bey are hell beant on dealing him, because it’s only going to get worst…and you can pretend the media doesn’t matter all you want, but if everyone knows you really don’t want Desean on your team in 2014, we ain’t going to be winning many games of chicken with other GMs….like I could understand this all happening because of the owners meeting…but it’s so damn bad now, and we ain’t even make it to the owners meeting yet where it will get much worse……if he won’t be an eagle next year, then I pray by some miracle we can trade him this weekend

          • cliff henny

            you don’t think when word gets out to other GMs that Jax is on trading block, 1st thought that goes thru mind is ‘why, what’s the issue?’. ones interested start digging like madmen. as AC said above, good FO act in mercenary manners. maybe crap FOs can get pushed around by media pressures, doubt Howie and chip are raising an eyebrow, they knew it was coming.

          • GEAGLE

            I’m tired of thinking. This is a friggin disaster….if we were so hell bent on trading him then why the FOCK DIDNT WE TAKE THE DAMN RAIDERS OFFER AT THE COMBINE???? Jesus we will never come away with two second rounders now….
            ..
            THATS when you make a trade, when a team comes to you, before everyone knows you are trading him. If we weren’t going to work it out with him, then they are FRIGGIN BRAIN DEAD for not trading him out of blue at the combine before we lost so much negotiation leverage….I’m shocked at how poorly we played this. Like I’m talking AMATUER hour

          • OldDocRoss

            why the FOCK DIDNT WE TAKE THE DAMN RAIDERS OFFER AT THE COMBINE?

            Because that rumour was BS?

          • GEAGLE

            No..They made an offer. Only debatable part is the compensation

          • OldDocRoss

            Source?

          • cliff henny

            same as everyone else, unknown but close ties. my guess, Oakland GM’s drycleaner

          • OldDocRoss

            Haha, then I’m sticking with “probably BS”.

          • cliff henny

            my favorite was Les Bowen sighting a close source to jax. mean com’on, who would Les have that close to jax outside Jax’s agent. and all these sources need to be such a huge secret like jax trade rumors are 2nd coming to Watergate. every 2 bit wannabe reporter with twitter and facebook account is claiming source close to jax, ridiculous

          • OldDocRoss

            Les and DeSean are tight. Hang out all the time. They bonded over their mutual love for Nipsey.

          • cliff henny

            jax shady and both crews popping bottles in the club with Les…i can see it. they all probably stare at eachother and the door waiting for Les. it aint a club party till Les shows. he bring the real hotties draped 2 x 2 behind him

          • Andy124

            Pretty sure Les composed the chorus in Diamonds On My Neck.

          • OldDocRoss

            Rapping, journalising, whatever, writing is just in the man’s blood.

            I just now realised Les’s de facto ‘street’ moniker would be L-Bow. Which is precisely as lame as you’d expect.

          • Andy124

            Next hit single, Droppin’ ‘Bows On ‘Em

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I’ll wait for L-Bow’s remix of “Southern Hospitality” by Ludacris.

          • JofreyRice

            if you can only get a 4th or 5th, it might be time for a “financial apology” to Jackson, like they did with McNabb. Certainly not what you want to do, but they’ve bungled this so utterly, that it may provide the best of bad choices at this point, in terms of what team you’re fielding in 2014.

          • Token

            And theres the rub.

  • ACViking

    A “source” put out the story that after Kelly arrived last January, the Eagles tried too be Jackson.

    After the bye this season, Jackson’s numbers were not all that much better than Cooper’s. You can argue the reasons, but in terms of production Jackson didn’t sustain the big early season numbers after the league got to see more of Kelly’s scheme.

    Jackson is the least ideal catch and run receiver on the team because of his size. He doesn’t engage contact and does not break tackles.

    Having said all that, there’s more to this than we know. It’s the simplest explanation. And that’s usually the right one.

    As for the fans, why would the Eagles front office and coach care? Belichick could care less what the fans say in New England. Because as long as he’s winning, there’s not much reason to listen to anyone. Kelly’s in that camp. He’s a mercenary

    • BHOtheLiar

      Would love to hear from the Oregon/CK historian contingent on this topic, but it seems to me that this whole thing comes back to Chip building a team and a culture in the way he believes in. He has been remarkably consistent with his vision and approach – to him there is only one right way.
      For reasons that no one knows for sure, DJ does not fit his vision. In this day and age of “winning is everything” someone who is committed to doing things the right way for the long term deserves respect. He is building the type of team and culture that we can be proud of for a long, long time.

    • RIP illa

      “Least ideal catch and run receiver on this team”

      My God…have we never seen Maclin play???

      • cliff henny

        Kelly gets annoyed with Jax’s tweeting, wait till Mac curls up in fetal position in middle of field with defenders still 3 yards away.

        • G_WallyHunter

          HAHAHA exactly it

      • Andy124

        I still maintain Maclin has the potential to change that perception. He was very dynamic on WR screens and after the catch in general in college and I’m giving this staff the benefit of the doubt that they can coax that out of Maclin.

        • RIP illa

          Ant that’s all good and fine. But I have seen Djax take short passes and bust them open. So when AC says he’s the least ideal…come on. And then the whole size factor…so what. If he needs to fight for an extra couple of yards to get a first and he doesn’t, then I could understand. But if he just caught a 10-20 yard pass and then goes out of bounds, who cares! Or if he caught a short screen and only gets back to the line or gets a couple of yards, then goes out of bounds before getting popped, and it’s like 1st or 2nd down…who cares!!! It makes no sense for a player to needlessly sacrifice their body for minimal gain or when more bad than good can happen. It’s similar to a QB throwing the ball away, instead of trying to force force a play. Live to fight another day. And minimize all the bad which can happen and which is more likely to happen than the good. As I said before, we all know DJax can bust it open from almost anywhere on the field!

          • Andy124

            Yeah, not saying the aforementioned perception isn’t based in reality.

            I do think there are many times when DJ leaves yards on the field due to his size. I don’t have a problem with him doing that because I do think he should protect himself for the good of not just himself, but for the team.

            But I do believe Maclin has the potential to pick some of those up. Related, I much preferred Cooper on the receiving end of those WR screens. Awesome seeing him truck a DB after picking up the first.

    • JofreyRice

      advanced analytics really don’t bear that out.

      2013, Jackson averaged 6.0 yards after the catch, and forced 9 missed tackles.

      Riley Cooper, all racist 6’4 220 pounds of him, forced 4 missed tackles and averaged 5.1 after the catch. Respectable numbers for a guy that had really done nothing to that point in his career, but not even as good as Desean’s 2012, where DJacc averaged 5.4 after the catch and forced 8 missed tackles.

      Jeremy Maclin’s wonderful 2012 campaign, he averaged 4.2 after the catch, and forced 4 missed tackles. To go along with 9 drops–some of them quite memorable. The guy has never been the YAC receiver we thought he’d be coming out of Mizzou. The fact that he lost the job of KR in his rookie training camp foreshadowed that. The guy has been essentially a lesser version of Kevin Curtis–a minor bust, considering he’s a first round pick. The fact that he’s never had to be a #1 has taken some of the pressure and spotlight off of that.

      It’s fine if you want to take the “In Chip We Trust” mentality. It takes a little more to sell me than 10 wins and a playoff appearance, but it was a good first season on the field; the personnel moves…meh. I think they’ve been shitting their pants in free agency for 2 years now, so getting rid of a talented player in the name of “value” strikes me as a mistake they’re capable of making. You’re right, there could be something more to this than we know, but Bill Belichick has brought in some pretty controversial headcases, in an effort to get something out of them. Moss, Haynesworth, Chad Johnson, Hernandez, just to name a few. Funny how the Patriots are one of the teams linked. You have to know how to manage egos in professional sports. I think Phil Jackson wrote something like 20,000 words on the topic. Right now I’m wondering if Chip’s having a hard time managing his own.

      • RIP illa

        Thank You!!! Good ol’ JR strikes again with precision and well articulated dismissals of everybody’s bullshit!!! I really wish people would stop trying to make up assertions and bullshit to try and get this move to fit into some Skokie cutter image that makes the “most sense”!!! Just accept it for what it is…stupid, until otherwise proven!

        • Andy124

          No.

          I will continue to put the best angle on it I can for the sake of my own peace of mind.

          • JofreyRice

            And that’s fair. I understand that, and I respect your ability to come out and say it directly.

            I’m not throwing out all my Eagles gear if they trade Desean, I’ll just be very disappointed. I think it would be a misstep–a self-inflicted wound–that would make the offense take some step backwards in 2014, unnecessarily.

          • G_WallyHunter

            upvote for using a CK-coined acronym in protest of a CK personnel move

          • Andy124

            Yeah, not that you would think otherwise, but no post I make on the subject will be of the, “This is why they should trade DJ” variety.
            More of a:
            This makes it less bad. Maybe this is what the Eagles are thinking variety.

          • cliff henny

            yup…i’m just trying to figure out why, since novakremlin is on high alert

          • Andy124

            I’m completely convinced that it’s something behind the scenes that they’re never going to tell us about. And frankly, it would be pretty classless for them to tell us. I don’t want them coming out and trashing the guy after they trade him, even if everything they said was true. Wish him the best and move on.

            Or you know, don’t trade him. I’m good with that too.

          • GEAGLE

            That’s where I am with it…because none of the theories I can come up with. Actually make trading him ok in my mind…not when you don’t even have cap problems..like WTF. I can’t have any quality FA, and now I have to lose our best WR since TO?

          • GEAGLE

            Peace of mind? I have to do that just to maintain my damn sanity…all my Giant fan friends are friggin laughing at me..wtf

        • JofreyRice

          haha, thanks man.

      • ACViking

        JR —

        I’m NOT a “Chip We Trust” guy.

        I’m just observing another epoch of Eagles football.

        By the way — your “analytics” didn’t address Post-Bye week numbers.

        And “creating” missed takles isn’t the same as “breaking” tackles.

        Regardless, I appreciated your comment and respectful tone.

        As opposed to RIP illa — who’s got all the earmarks of a drunken bandwagon fan.

        • JofreyRice

          sorry, I took this “there’s more to this than we know. It’s the simplest explanation. And that’s usually the right one.” to mean that if they’re trading Jackson, there’s got to be some good reason Chip has, and that you were co-signing the move. Apologies if I interpreted that incorrectly.

          • ACViking

            JR —
            Thanks. I haven’t a clue what’s going on.
            But when I called Kelly a “mercenary,” it wasn’t a compliment.
            By the way, I enjoy your comments — always thoughtful and direct.

          • JofreyRice

            Thank you, sir. Likewise.

          • GEAGLE

            A bello..tutto apposto Zio Viking?

    • ztom6

      I think you’re making the mistake of trying to rationalize what this is all about by putting a microscope to what Kelly supposedly cares about. Physical attributes aside, Kelly cares about creating big plays. The Eagles set records for “explosive plays” (of 20 yards or more) and iirc DJ had twice as many of those plays as anyone else on the team. Probably led the league as well. And fwiw, a lot of those yards were after the catch.

      I don’t see how this has anything to do with football skill or fit into the scheme. People read way too much into the “big people beat up little people” comment. If he’d been asked about speed, he probably would have said “fast people outrun slow people.”

      I also think it was apparent that the Eagles schemed to use him more as a decoy as the season went on. That seemed to be one big reason why his numbers were down later in the year.

    • OregonDucker

      Be careful AC, the mob is forming. You are right AC, Chip is a mercenary regarding the media, less so with fans. I also don’t think DJax fits a Chip offense for the reasons you mention. BUT I also believe there is more to the story here. Maybe its also attitude, off-field activities, or money. We will learn about it all in time.

      • Andy124

        I wouldn’t be so sure about your last sentence.

  • DrewShervin

    When you put up gang signs in Instagram’s the team will drop you in a heartbeat. After the Aaron Hernandez alleged murders teams don’t want anything to do with players who are remotely connected to gangs. The Eagles must have information that DJ is involved with people who are dealing drugs or who are associated with some type of criminal enterprise. When you approach the player and tell him he has cut ties the player will tell you that he is not abandoning his home boys. I don’t think Jackson is a bad person but he might have been told on several occasions that he had to make a choice. The Eagles then just decide enough is enough. The team though makes strange decisions. They sign Vick coming off horrendous crimes and keep Riley Cooper. So why would another team trade for Jackson. Each team has different standard. The Eagles might know something that no other team knows about. I hope we eventually find out the truth.

    • G_WallyHunter

      this is what I’m saying, given how confusing this all is, it’s obvious the Eagles and Howie and Chip know some things that we have no clue about..

      • GEAGLE

        You think something like that could be kept secret in this day and age? You can’t fart without someone finding out and reporting it

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          If it’s silent you can.

          • Andy124

            Not if it’s ‘but deadly’.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Doesn’t mean ownership is established.

          • Andy124

            That’s when “sources” start reporting that they saw Howie make a face right before the SBD. If they don’t deny it immediately, it’s a clear sign of guilt.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Then a day later everyone has a story based on stories based on this source who saw the face.

          • Andy124

            Eventually there will be stories about how the stories perpetuated the stories. In both reality and our scenario.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            And we’ll be on disqus slamming these stories since there was never any concrete evidence that “the face” led to the “SBD”.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Djaxeption?

          • OldDocRoss

            Come on man, “but violent” is the correct addendum for silent farts. Loud and proud. Silent but violent. Gots to rhyme.

            This is why DeSean has Les Bowen write his rhymes and why you will never be on tha dope spot.

          • Andy124

            Never heard that one. That’s good. I was raised calling them SBDs.

            I’m sure DeSean reads this blog daily and is very familiar with my lyrical skillz.

        • G_WallyHunter

          I do, only explanation. Maybe 1-2 ppl plus Desean know about it.. only thing that makes sense

    • GEAGLE

      You should be suspended from all online privileges for ATleast 24 hours

  • John E. Zang

    First lets get is straight that if Maclins healthy, he’s a better receiver in this offense. I’m all for them moving Desean he’s not Coach K’s type on the field or off. I just hope they get proper compensation but I think there will be that stupid team like the raiders come draft day. He’s the type of player that will tempt teams.

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      What do you base your argument that Maclin is a better receiver in this offense? Shady is the better blocker, receiver and is faster. I’m not saying Maclin can’t be good, but he’s no desean in any offense.

      • Andy124

        Jackson’s nickname isn’t Shady. :)

        • EaglesFanInPhx

          hahaha wow… guess I should really wake up before posting. One of the hazards of living out west :)

      • John E. Zang

        Maclin has more tools than Desean and he has plenty of speed. Just because Andy Reid didnt dial his number doesn’t mean he can’t out perform Jackson in stats. Plus Maclin has yet to play with a real quarterback like Foles. Deseans a better blocker?? Maclin is way more physical. He’s built better and he’s tougher. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a big reason why coach K doesn’t want him on the team.

        • Andy124

          Maclin did play with Foles. Actually was on pace for career numbers during that stretch. Not as good as DJs number last year though.

  • seanstradomus

    Does anyone realize he is not traded for months now…..how long ago did this story come around

  • Jolly22RIP

    As much as he is a “ME” player, he is the second most valuable weapon on our offense behind Shady. If he leaves, who is going to produce the numbers he put up last year…Maclin?

    • G_WallyHunter

      Who knows, but what we do know is, In Chip We Trust

  • EaglefaninAZ

    I keep thinking about the Buddy Ryan/ Cris Carter thing. Weird.

  • GEAGLE

    Seth Joyner freaking out all over twitter about us trading him for a 3rd

  • GEAGLE

    Smells of organizational arrogance that I thought was in our past

    • Eagles4Life

      It’s back with a vengeance.

    • JofreyRice

      I’ve been saying this. I don’t think it’s any secret that Chip has a big ego. Big Balls Chip, the smug press conferences and soundbites. And that’s all fine. He’s got to have some of that to be successful, considering his journey to this point. But if the arrogance that marked the Andy Reid era is somehow also a thread in the Kelly regime, I wouldn’t be that surprised.

      Like dissolves like. An arrogant ownership group may be inclined to hire arrogant coaches. People mention the “gold standard” as being a Joe Banner quote. It was Lurie. Howie talks about how they know what it takes to build a champion in that same self-satisfied way. In point of fact, they don’t actually know what it takes to build a champion, because they’ve never actually built a champion.

      • GEAGLE

        Hard to argue against your post Considerng what we have gone thru this week….but I wouldn’t let Howie escape without getting some blame…. I dont buy the money crap, because we don’t really look at it as how much we are investing in a player, we look at it as how much we have tied into the position as a whole…I wanted Riley here, but if we have too much invested in the position, then I’d rather lose Coop AND Mac then Desean

        • JofreyRice

          same. Who knows what Maclin’s gonna be? I’m going to be excited to see the Eagles offense in 2014, with Mac back and everyone in the second year, but I just don’t get why the best WR on the team shouldn’t be a part of that. We should be talking about what kind of ridiculous #’s Desean can put up with Mac and Coop sucking up underneath coverage, and Shady commanding 8 man boxes, not which 4th round WR we’re replacing him with.

          • GEAGLE

            Let me speak in simple terms….there is NO GOD DAMN REASON why a team with our healthy cap! should lose ANYONE of value…we should be adding, not subtracting..especially if we aren’t going to be players in free agency. What the F, I hate everyone right now from Howie, to kempski and everyone in between

          • JofreyRice

            haha, if this turns out to be right, Hack Kempski will have been the one to correctly predict this, and everyone that shit on him will owe him an apology.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            There were a few of us on here who brought up the topic way before Kempski ever did and we got skewered. (I was under my former handle)

          • GEAGLE

            This is all because of the raiders rumor from the combine. Heard the same rumor Jimmy heard, that Oakland approached us about Desean..

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Is that what spurred his article? I thought it was because this was supposed to have been a “contract year” for Desean and it was odd we weren’t touching it.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup, raiders and the combine rumor was the furthest this can be traced back to….but if we don’t want Desean, the decision would have been made sooner then that I assume

          • OldDocRoss

            Kempski’s said he basically looked at the $s we were spending on WRs after re-signing Coop and Maclin, thought “that’s a lot of money for a team that likes to run a lot” then started making calls. Heard some folks in the Eagles weren’t in love with DeSean and decided it was worth writing about.

            The Raiders rumour was and is nonsense.

          • Token

            I brought it up about Jackson being gone next year. Never expected it to happen right now. Chip hates his guts.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            It was brought up from different angles. I remember you and Explorer51 discussing it. I had brought it up that I thought it was odd that this past season was effectively a “contract year” because his guarantees were done and he was supposed to restructure/renegotiate after the year. I honestly think DJs comments after the playoff loss were with that in mind as well… I had settled on the notion that it made more sense to restructure next year instead of this year to avoid adding to next year’s cap when there’s so much committed already. I figured we would have just paid him this year because, you know, we could afford to.

          • GEAGLE

            He didn’t really predict it…he heard the raiders combine rumor and ran with it. I’d rather him not be right, then leading the charge to lower the value of our most valuable trade Chip,
            ..
            We cried about not having enough pics, we know BG, and Bryce won’t bring back any value in a trade….now if you tell me a month ago we are trading Desean, I would ATleast be happy about having extra picks..we held on too him too long, let the media start a shitstorm to where Howie won’t win any games of chicken against any GMs…I would have rather been in the dark and get value, then know this was coming and have to settle for a 5th…

            If you trade Desean, you do it out of now where when no one is expecting it, like at the combine…not now, that everyone thinks you will cut him if you can’t trade him..smh I can’t even fathom how we got to this point where trading Desean gets us nothing

          • OldDocRoss

            Na, they’ll blame Kempski for causing this.

            Kempski: “The Eagles might trade DeSean. Here’s why.”

            Howie: “Hey Chip, seen this?”

            Chip: “Wow, never thought of it like that. Great idea. Let’s see if we can get a fifth for him.”

          • Token

            Again, this is Chip. Not Howie. Not anyone. Chip. Be mad at him alone.

      • Token

        Lurie knows exactly what hes doing. Just dont make the false assumption that building a champion is his goal.

  • Brandon

    Your wrong bro. Chip called desean

  • Token

    Curious to see the effect this has on the fans thoughts of Chip. Because make no mistake, if hes gone its because Chip wants him gone. Rumor is he wanted him traded last year when he arrived.

    So, do you still trust in Chip? Worship at his alter? Its a tough spot. Two guys that fans put on such a pedestal. Now you have to choose.

    I hope this thing works out with Chip. I cant say im terribly comfortable with his team building philosophy. Big guys over talented guys. Build from STs up. Forcing a defensive scheme even tho hardly any players fit it. 4-3 Under seemed to fit better, and Davis obviously likes it.

    I do have to wonder where we would be right now if Foles hadn’t arrived last year.

    • cliff henny

      can tell you now…3-1/4-0, jax who? 1-3, great, thought we got rid of smartest man in room coach

      • Andy124

        Exactly.

        Or course, there will always be those that think we were stupid for not sticking with Vick and letting Jackson go if we don’t go 19-0.

      • Token

        Yea guess thats about right.

        There is a ton of pressure on Howie and his team to find impact players now, this year in the draft. They have enough role players. Now they need the take you to another level type players.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        What about 10-6 and back in the playoffs?

        • cliff henny

          today, if ihad to put numbers on season, 7 or less i’m pissed. 8-dissappointed 9-average 10-good season 11+-getting into hotdamn level

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Agree with this.

          • oreofestar

            Doubt we get int hotdamn level without Desean

          • Andy124

            Doubt all you want, but don’t forget to hope too.

          • oreofestar

            I freaking hope we keep Desean

          • cliff henny

            man, i like jax too, but if the ship slam into the dock because Jax is moved, we’ve got bigger issues.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            ^This

          • G_WallyHunter

            can’t upvote this enough, sure might see a small regression if the anticipated replacement production doesn’t meet expectations, but come on, if the ship sinks because of this then Djax leaving is not the problem..

          • JofreyRice

            Ok, so say we can get a receiver to replace Desean in the third round. A guy we pluck in the third round puts up pretty close to 1000 yards as a rookie, like Desean did. If the reason Desean’s got to go is because of the ego and “me-first” stuff, we better hope that receiver isn’t much like most other big name marquee receivers that enjoy NFL success, or his time here will be short, as well.

          • G_WallyHunter

            If they can have the attitude of an Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Vincent Jackson, that’d be fine with me, to name a few more favourable WR attitudes in the league who just shut up and produce..
            For the sake of your point let’s hope it is a 3rd or 4th round pick and not 2nd or 1st where that me-first attitude has a better chance of showing up

          • cliff henny

            yeah, i’m not putting much on the off-field. i think Kelly is moneyball’ing it. recreate jax/avant in the aggregate with maclin and sproles. draft 2 rookies, increase ertz role. who knows, see how it plays out.

          • OregonDucker

            Maybe the FO is “moneyballing” it but Chip is not. Chip is weighing the value proposition that is DJax verses alternatives – and DJax will fall short if he’s traded according to that judgement.

          • GEAGLE

            To play devils advocate, wouldn’t Maclin and Sproles compensate for what Desean put up? Ertz will have better numbers then he had last year…..I hate that this is happening. How the F did we ever even get to this point?

          • OregonDucker

            Chip is sending a message and building the team his way. And I really don’t expect any insight into his decision – not like him to talk about such things. We will learn more via insiders and players.

            I do think it is telling that other team’s are not beating down the doors for DJax. It is not a “value proposition” they accept. That tells you something.

            If you believe Chip is a offense genius, you trust his judgement. If you feel he is a college coach wannabe then you don’t. It’s simple really.

          • GEAGLE

            Sounds about right…I don’t pretend to know offense better then Chip..I trust him on that side of the ball. With that said, if you wanted to get rid of him we could have played our hand much better then to let it get to this point where we will be lucky to get a 3rd for such a talent

          • Andy124

            You left out the “Withholding judgement” camp.

          • JofreyRice

            Sorry, circling the wagons around Riley Cooper and then extending him doesn’t jibe with that message.

            I don’t think it’s as simple as you’re making it out to be. I think he’s a fantastically talented coordinator and offensive architect. That doesn’t mean that every move he makes in regards to personnel is beyond question.

          • Token

            I dont care about this move because I dont feel Jackson is as good as people generally do.

            BUT……

            A NFL coach must be able to deal with personalities. Thats just part of the job. Half these players are nuts along with being morons. If Chip thinks hes gonna be able to assemble a team of choir boys and win a title hes not gonna have a very long NFL career.

          • JofreyRice

            Maybe, but I don’t understand why they HAVE to make up for what Jackson puts up. Why does he HAVE to go? Even if you don’t think Jackson is all that, the team is better with him on it, right?

            McLane’s now reporting that they may not even get a 3rd rounder, and that they could conceivably cut him. It’s lunacy.

          • Token

            Howie gets nervous when theres not at least 25 mil in cap room.

          • JofreyRice

            It really does seem that way.

          • GEAGLE

            Preaching to the choir man…I’m telling you at this point, we should be thrilled if we can get a 3rd…we played our hand so damn poorly…Should have traded him during the combine before anyone knew about any of this….now the owners meeting is coming up, so this will spiral more out of control til we are lucky to get a 5th for him..
            ,,
            We played our hand like amateurs….

          • JofreyRice

            Unbelievable. We might end up getting back the 5th rounder we gave up for a 31 year old running back New Orleans actually HAD to trade.

          • GEAGLE

            Insanity is becoming reality

          • Token

            Theres really no telling what another WR can do. The offense last year made Riley Cooper look like a legitimate player.

            Theres some talk now they may just cut him. Meaning theres more to this than we know or may ever know. The guy must just be a problem. And his ability doesnt outweigh the issues Id guess in their eyes.

            Its gonna happen, theres not much point in using the word if anymore it seems.

            I do get your point. And maybe if I thought they had a chance id be more pissed off. But for one, I never saw Jackson here past next season anyway even before this. And two, this move falls in line with every other move they made this offseason. They are sending clear signals they are not looking to contend in the near future. So it really doesnt have that big of a impact to me. But having to cut or get very little for him is just horrible management of the situation.

            We may just have another smartest man in the room heading our team. Im curious to see how this plays out.

            Ill tell you, this year isnt like last year. Easy as pie schedule, and got whopped by the few playoffs teams we faced. This year is gonna be a bigger challenge. Playing better teams. Tape of Chip has been out there a whole offseason. Defense is left counting on the Kendricks of the world to take some huge leap in order for us to improve there.

            I dunno…. The makings of a step back this year are all falling in line. I want to see how well every player buys into the Chip way of doing things when they are losing a lot of games.

            They had a chance to really build on the momentum from that first year under Chip, but it seems they have no interest in doing that. Really surprised Chip isnt into the idea of really going for it and striking while the iron is hot. Didnt expect this mentality from him.

            The Eagles, always building for the future that never comes. The fanbase has bought into that crap for years and years. Lurie is a master at running a franchise just well enough.

          • oreofestar

            Exactly we already have issues so why the hell do we need to add more by getting rid of our best offensive weapon besides Shady

          • JofreyRice

            I look at it like this. We can argue about how valuable he is, but you’re taking some step backwards, needlessly, by swapping him for a third round rookie. And that doesn’t fit with any tactical strategy for winning football that they’ve espoused. You want to be an offensive team that blows the doors off of opponents? Fine. Then don’t trade away a guy you know can destroy deep coverage and opens up underneath stuff for everyone else.

            Say you’ve got a top 5 offense with Jackson, but a bottom 22-23 defense–which I think might actually be a bit generous, unless we run into a bunch of Scott Tolzein’s again. With Jackson’s third round rookie replacement & Maclin, you’re a top 10 O, and the defense not much improved, could easily be the difference in 2 wins. And for what?

        • JofreyRice

          Look at Reid, from afar. He walked into a better situation, sure, but he produced a more dramatic turnaround in the first year, in terms of w/l. Think he’s made some mistakes as a HC in KC, already? I do. Taking a LT at #1 overall, when you already have one, putting him on the right side, and then losing 3/5ths of your OL the following offseason. I’d say that counts as a fairly egregious one.

          I bet there are plenty of KC fans that are saying “Oh, but we turned around, don’t criticize Reid, he’s got a great track record of getting teams to the playoffs. This is only year one”. Just because someone has success doesn’t make them above criticism–it becomes a matter of perspective.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            It clearly is a matter of perspective. Reid has a long track record of shitty decisions on the field and with personnel. KC fans at least have a history of Reid’s poor decisions in the pros courtesy of his tenure here. However, winning often gives you the benefit of the doubt. With Chip, we don’t have the luxury of looking to past personnel decisions. So, who are we to question him until he fails, given that he took Reid’s 4-12 hot mess to 10-6 and a WC game?

          • JofreyRice

            Dude, that’s our take on it, after watching him for all those years. The national media LOVES Reid. He had a job less than a week after he had left the “hot mess” behind him in Philadelphia. KC essentially let him name his own GM. The national media overlook everything except the clock management, because it’s impossible to ignore.

            I think our experience of watching a bunch of terrible personnel decisions unfold gives us some idea of what one looks like, as it’s happening. Agreed that the track record is much less in Chip’s case, and that he has won some credibility. For me, that credibility hasn’t extended to the point where I won’t bat an eyelash if he trades our second best player on offense for a 3rd round pick.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I’m not disagreeing that it’s botched handling. It doesn’t get much worse than what we’re doing. However, we discussed at length yesterday our disagreement in return value. That said, we have no idea what the end result is going to be, in terms of what we get in return and then on the field. It’s pretty evident on this board alone, though, how all over the place people’s perception of what the end result will be. I agree with Cliff’s take on it, other’s clearly do not. One guy even brings in awful studies about 1st round WRs and pro bowls. Fact of the matter is, we’ll never know the effect of this on the field until the games have been played.

    • OldDocRoss

      Depends a bit on the compensation but I still have faith in Chip, just think based on what we know this is a mistake.

      “If Foles hadn’t arrived” is impossible to answer because if we didn’t have a young QB we had faith in, it would impact every move we’ve made. Much more likely we’d be looking to proactively trade older players to stockpile draft picks this year and next.

    • oreofestar

      If we do not get great compensation for Jax and we are getting a 3rd or 4th for him then I will definitely start resenting Chip and stop trusting in him until he hopefully proves me to be an idiot and evrything goes fine

    • G_WallyHunter

      Very curious indeed. If desean goes (should I even say if anymore?), it will be real interesting to see A. what the explanation is B. What Chip does from trade to preseason in reaction and response to it and C. if something successful makes it on the field and shuts all of us up.
      It has made for a way-more-exciting-than-I-thought offseason anyways, nice to sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

  • Nfl All Day

    So not only ate they gonna trade him, but to one of their main rivals in terms of tans with a legitimate shot at winning a Super Bowl? 3 teams who by nature of their success have terrible Draft picks to exchange. I need a why BAD. The only thing that would make sense is of they had knowledge of Jackson being involved in something criminal. Other wise this is among the dumbest things a Philly team had ever done.

  • GEAGLE

    Now they are saying Desean will be traded or cut.,,,eagles just don’t want him….doesn’t sound like a simple money situation to me

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      Who thought it was a simple money situation?

      • GEAGLE

        The theories I keep reading are this is motivated by money, Desean faked a robbery and is broke, and the most recent is that he is a master criminal and only the eagles know about it lol

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          Hahahahaha I think the “Diamonds Round His Neck” might make him a little obvious.

  • TNA

    New York daily news reported the Eagles are about to cut Jackson if they can’t trade him for peanuts. To simply create cap room while saying no to distractions. Wow. Talk about setting a tone.

  • 609to336 Eagles

    I just read we are gonna cut him if we can’t trade him…WTH????

  • GEAGLE

    If we have to end up cutting him, I will hate the media forever

    • oreofestar

      I will hate the front office forever for cutting your pro bowl wr over 6mil which is all you would save

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        And 9.75 each of the two years after.

        • oreofestar

          That would not change if you traded him next year when we may actually have a replacement

          • G_WallyHunter

            a replacement that costs 19.5million over 2 years? non guaranteed in Djax case

          • oreofestar

            My thing is this lets say we draft ODB and he has 68 catches 980 yards 8 tds and with more touches the front office thinks that him, Mac and Coop with Ertz can be special then sure you can trade your number 1 wr but until I see someone do that and show me they can take over I see no reason why to trade him, Until a rookie does what I said we do not now what that rookie can do, Mac has not proven he can be THE GUY even when healthy and Coop had one god season thanks largely impart to Desean and even with said season is only a number 2 at best

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Rookie can’t do it if Jax is here.

          • oreofestar

            That is not true, did Demaryius stop Decker from having huge numbers…no if you are talented you will get touches and if Desean proves that he is the most talented and gets the most touches that just shows that we need him

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Decker only got big numbers when Peyton got to town. Tebow/Orton held them both back.

          • oreofestar

            Decker still had 8TDs with Tebow and QB has nothing to do with this really either way if DJAX was here or not the rookie would be playing with Foles

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t really need to see ODB do it before we trade him! but it be nice to see that we were able to secure a talented WR prospect before trading him…

          • oreofestar

            I need to see him do it first because ODB could end up being a bust who can’t break 40 grabs this goes either way

          • GEAGLE

            I think we put too much emphasis into Charecter and personally to be worrying about first and second round talents turn into busts….we seem to go for the guys we can count on to be All in..and if kids have the right mental make up with athletic ability, I’m confident in the coaches turning him into a guy that contributes..will he contribute on a probowl level? That remains to be seen…but I don’t we will see a Jaqwain Jarrett situation

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            That’s a big “if”. Clearly we don’t know as much about this F.O. as we thought.

          • oreofestar

            and if we do not get a replacement then Desean becomes even more important, this is so stupid…

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            We do know that Chip loves weapons. Replacement will be by committee, though, not by any one person.

  • GEAGLE

    Curious to know how a guy like Jason Peters feels about losing Desean? Cary? Meco? Barwin? Kelce? Shady? Are the locker room leaders all ok with this?
    ..
    I’m told I can’t have top free agents because we don’t want to upset the locker room…how will banishing Desean impact the locker room? Bicknell will get hung from city hall lol

    • Token

      Im guessing that if the Eagles are willing to outright cut the guy, hes a bigger locker room issue then we know.

      • GEAGLE

        Don’t seem like his antics hurt us last year…manny Ramirez is a pain in the ass too! but teams have won with him

      • oreofestar

        Bigger than Coop?

  • GEAGLE

    That new york L reporter mannish maneha or whatever is name is, is reporting Djax not willing to restructured that 10.5 we owe him for this year…haven’t heard that reported by a philly guy yet

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      he mention his source? I find it highly unlikely, considering all parties involved said the FO hadn’t reached out to DJax.

      • GEAGLE

        Source? What is this source you speak of? When the hell does any report include a source any more in this age of “journalism”??

        No, Predictably he doesn’t list any sources,,.

      • Kd711

        Well apparently the FO has had contact with his agent, but I think the report is about restructuring after a trade.

    • G_WallyHunter

      What’s this crap about their “intention to cut him”, jesus, come on

      • EaglesFanInPhx

        lowering his trade value by the minute..

        • G_WallyHunter

          Ya pretty much, where the hell does Manish get crap like that as a JETS CORRESPONDENT…
          Damn, every day gets worse and worse here eh, if anyone needs lessons on pissing off an entire fanbase in the offseason contact Howie & Chip…
          I guess since it’s a question of when he’s gone and not if, I am DAMN excited to see how these two (or three if you include Gamble) apparent gods and saviours of the Eagles organization plan on responding to it..

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    Read an article from the Star-Ledger that Jackson has been tweeting stuff from him and Vick, basically saying he wants to play with him again. Funny comment in the comment section that notes his best seasons were with McNabb and Foles, not Vick.

    • GEAGLE

      He also tweeting stuff of I him associated with every single team we are rumor in to trade him to.
      ..
      Posted a pic of him and Pete Carroll, him and Marcel Reese(raiders), him and cam newton! and now a bunch of Vick stuff for the jets

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        Did not know that. I have an account on Twitter, I just don’t really use it.

        • oreofestar

          I saw it too…unfortunately

        • GEAGLE

          So now, we are basically screwed. Now that Desean is fanning the flames, we most likely reached the point of no return

          • G_WallyHunter

            Yup. So long Djax, good thing my jersey has a few stains here and there, I’ll have to downgrade it to one of the bench jerseys

      • G_WallyHunter

        sucks wish we knew what was really going on, all we know is a bunch of media reports with no credible sources that are getting produced like they’re all chickens running around with their head chopped off trying to save their ass for monday

    • Token

      Jackson should not have a twitter or Instagram. Im sure that all plays into why hes gone.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        This whole thing is just too confusing to try to pinpoint the cause. I agree with your sentiment below that I don’t view him as the great receiver that so many others do, as I can rattle 10 receivers I’d rather have without putting in much thought. But none of this makes any sense.

  • 609to336 Eagles

    He’s posted on his Instagram all whole bunch of highlights of him and Vick

  • G_WallyHunter

    Hilarious if you go on twitter and sit and monitor the live tweets containing “desean jackson” as a search term in them.. whole fanbase just goin nuts
    If only Howie or Chip went to saw what I’m seeing
    this feels like some sort of sick dream, anyone else?
    I swear if they trade him to one of the NFC powerhouses… that will be absolutely ABSURD

  • GEAGLE

    And my dumb ass actually thought this would be the first peaceful offseason as an eagles fan….silly me. It’s always something in This damn city…
    ,,
    My beloved Howie, playing his hand like an AMATUER.. “You broke my heart Fredo”

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      “I know it was you!”

    • Token

      Another BOOK IT gone wrong.

    • oreofestar

      *sigh* too much to ask, I would be pissed if we trade him for a day 2 pick if we cut him and a team gets to just pick him off the streets oh God I do not know what I would do if Desean spit in the front office’s face and went to San Fran or Seattle and makes a fool of our secondary i the playoffs and beats us down

      • GEAGLE

        That simply can’t be allowed to happen. We would have to take a 7th from the Jets or raiders to keep this from happening…heck, I’d rather do an NBA trade! where we GIVE UP a 7th to make a team take Desean, rather then allow him to pick who he is signing with

        • oreofestar

          Wow…if this stuff I am here is true the FO made a complete fool of themselves

        • GEAGLE

          Then again, doubt Desean would give those contenders a major discount…he most likely signs with whoever pays the most which can’t possibly be those elite Franchises

          • oreofestar

            Chances are if he is let free he is gonna break bank but if a team like SF says hey we will give you a HUGE signing bonus so we can carry low cap hits Desean is just gonna see that guranteed money the Eagles would never offer and jump

          • GEAGLE

            True….scary thought

          • oreofestar

            I could be very wrong but I always thought that if you gave Desean a 2 year $15mil extension with 8 more guaranteed million dollars that it would make him happy while lowering cap hits by a couple million for the next couple years but my thought is that the Eagles would never do that because it would mean a longer commitment

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Well, DJ has to be willing to come to the table to restructure/renegotiate. That in itself may be a problem.

          • oreofestar

            That is true but if Desean has said himself he wants more guaranteed you see what you can do

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            If he has, then yes, get to the table and talk. But that doesn’t mean you’re walking away from the table with a new deal in place.

          • oreofestar

            Here is the thing if Jackson does not want to be traded why would he do a new deal now that will make it easier to get traded he would want to start negotiations later like after the draft where there would be nothing to get from trading him

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Not wanting to be traded is one thing. Wanting more guaranteed money is another. Deals are compromises, so it’s rare players have the kind of security you’re describing. Plus, getting more money would make him harder to trade via the dead money hit.

          • oreofestar

            There is already a dead money hit of 6mil when you trade him and putting more guaranteed money would likely mean a little bit longer of a commitment but it could be better in the long run because you keep a guy and help your cap the question is not if he wants to stay here really it is if the FO wants him here long term

  • John E. Zang

    I get it Deseans a polarizing figure. But you can’t get sentimental when you’re a GM or team. He simply isn’t worth what he’s gettin paid, he’s limited and has a bad attitude. We’re on the brink of a historic draft for wide receivers and his replacement can be had for cheap and quite possibly can be an upgrade altogether. They must make this trade for the right price. It’s now or never. Next year will be even more difficult I believe. Plus I thought Maclin would’ve had a huge year last season, even better than Deseans, no to mention he would’ve showed up in bigger moments.

    • Token

      This has nothing to do with Howie.

      This is purely a Chip move. I know some dont wanna be stuck having to pick whose right. But everyone that gave blind faith to Chip is now stuck in a weird position.

  • Kd711

    There’s no way the Eagles would let it leak that they are considering cutting him. It’s one thing for trade rumors to leak, since there are other parties involved. This has to be someone else attempting to drive down his trade value.

  • oreofestar

    Let me enjoy my last few moments of Desean in Madden….Maybe I will just never update my roster again :'(

  • oreofestar

    I still do not know what the problem is if I am an Eagles player and Chip uses the distraction excuse or personality or character I immediately point my finger at Riley and ask why he got a 5 year deal, and if you use t the money excuse I ask why couldn’t that have been worked out, and not just getting rid of your best wr over 6mil that would not get you any better player, I just do not get it and it does make sense and what message does this send. They have been trying so hard to push the we take care of own message so what does that tell players we take care of our own until your cap number starts getting a little higher and then no matter how productive you are we are getting rid of you I mean I just don’t get it

    • Andy124

      Look, if the Riley thing was an issue for 2 weeks and everyone was cool after that and he bought in and was the ultimate team player, while DJ was an colossal prick from day 1 to day 365, then the “Yeah, but Cooper” argument makes no sense. And since we’re dealing with the complete unknown here, it makes no sense to me to try to go there.

      • oreofestar

        I just do not know what Desean has done that was SO BAD I mean Kelce, and other teammates have defended him this year I do not know that whatever he has done could have been so colossal I mean….but yeah we do not know anything hell we are not even sure any of these reports have truth to them so lets just forget it

        • Andy124

          I sure as hell don’t know either.

          I’m going back to an oldie by a goodie, he tried to make Chip put “Diamonds on My Neck” in the practice playlist. Cut-able offense right there.

          • JofreyRice

            that song is atrocious. A woman with an English accent saying “he has the most expensive jewelry in the world” at the beginning lets you know what to expect right off the bat. Moronic.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Thought it was a Grammy nomination waiting to happen.

          • JofreyRice

            oh god it’s so bad. It’s like he went to the Mike Jones school of rap and flunked out. Those were some of the worst rhymes I’ve ever heard in my life. He could have recorded himself taking a shit and it would have been an improvement. I bet I could walk into any Olive Garden in this country and find a better rapper amongst the patrons.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Mmmmm. Endless breadsticks…

          • Andy124

            Glad we’ve got that settled. So we’re all on board with cutting DeSean now. Good.

          • OldDocRoss

            Chip has a zero tolerance attitude towards bad rap.

            Has DeSean even tried rhyming “btches and hos” with “hitches and gos”?

            And he calls himself a WR. Useless.

  • imnotsorryisaidthat

    If they move him it will be pro-active,looking ahead to next year as Jackson mumbles and grumbles about Sprowles and Maclin taking all his touches in what is in reality his contract year..could be messy..so move him now

    • ztom6

      there’s really no rationalizing what’s currently being reported.

    • oreofestar

      yeah that makes sense, our number 1 wr may get upset in a few years so get rid of him so we can get…..nothing

      • imnotsorryisaidthat

        the nothing is the pure speculative part of this

        • oreofestar

          everything that everyone is saying on here is pure speculative we know absolutely nothing

          • imnotsorryisaidthat

            LOL..true my brother very true..truth is im stunned they would consider even trading this guy

          • oreofestar

            I am stunned as well, I think this is the stupidest thing they have done in the new regime

          • imnotsorryisaidthat

            all I know is,if im a guy in that locker room and I see Kelly trading a guy like Jackson who is talented as hell because I don’t like him?..i have secong thoughts about going thru a wall for him

  • GEAGLE

    Now it’s not that he was unwilling to restructure for us, it’s that he is unwilling to restructure to facilitate a trade which is probably worse..

    Meshas “source” says…”we will cut him or trade him, fact!”, “eagles don’t want him”

    • oreofestar

      You see if his agent went and said that I am not restructuring anything before the June 1st then that is quite interesting…

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah but if it’s about restructuring to help us trade him, thats not the same as restructuring to stay in philly

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          Weird. People don’t want to give up good picks to take on 10mil/yr for 3 more years? I didn’t see that coming…

          • GEAGLE

            That’s not really true tho…no one would trade for him, and honor that contract. A team that trades for him will reach an agreement on a new deal with his agent before they ever pulled the trigger on a deal

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Yeah, and if Desean won’t renegotiate the deal to facilitate trade, the team would be trading for that deal. So, yeah, teams aren’t handing over 1st, 7th, and mid round next year to take on Desean’s deal.

            EDIT: And even if he renegotiated it and got his guarantees, etc, it’s not like he’s going to be some 4mil a year cap hit. It’ll still be 6-9 range and therefore still hard for the team trading for him to justify trading multiple picks, let alone 1st rounders.

            EDIT #2: In short: We f’d this up. Badly.

          • oreofestar

            Which is the problem

        • oreofestar

          Yeah if a guy wants to stay he is not going to make it easier to be rid of by restructuring his deal like CJ2K who wants out, now he may consider restructuring once the draft is over but until then he would have no reason too

    • RIP illa

      I’m Lolzzz at all of this…No way in hell should he ever restructure for a trade!!! Tell Roseman to kiss his black ass and cut him while laughing in his face! A restructure for trade would be really stupid on his part. No need to give up having his own options to pick a place that wants and will pay him.

      EDIT: Unless the FO has some real dirt on the kid…What giant sized, and I’m talking Randy in South Park sized balls, to even try and come to the kid with restructuring!!! FO was getting a B- to B for their Offseason grade so far (IMO). Now their dropping to a D!!! Better kill it in the draft or with surprise trades for players.

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah we would have to be high to even ask him to…

  • oreofestar

    I think it was about a month ago before FA had kicked off yet where I had 100% trust in this front office that they would do what is best and make right choices and it felt great having that trust as it was the first time in a while that I had complete trust in them but now I am already back to where I was before where I can not trust this FO to handle things right or make the right decisions even if I am dead wrong about it, There is still a part of me thatreally hopes Desean is here but it seems a matter of when not if Desean is gone at this point

  • Andy124

    Regarding replacing DJs production:

    Ignoring the tangible ways to replace that, which would be a separate post and has been pretty well covered already, I do think we have to think the Eagles are looking more at an addition by subtraction situation here.

    The Phillies didn’t have anyone that could get on base as much as Abreu. They didn’t have anyone with as good an arm in right field. They didn’t have anyone that could drive in runs like Abreu. They didn’t have anyone as good on the base paths as Abreu. But they were damn sure a much better team after they traded him.

    The situations are far from identical. but I still think the same principles apply. At least in the eyes of the Eagles, if not in reality.

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      This is a different kind of addition by subtraction than, say, Patrick Chung, correct?

      • Andy124

        Yes. That was on-field addition by subtraction. This is more subtle.

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          Had to clarify.

    • OldDocRoss

      I don’t have a problem seeing how the 2014 offence minus #10 could be better than the 2013 offence. We’ve added Maclin and Sproles, Ertz and LJ should be better, everyone will have had an extra year in the system etc.

      I find it much harder to see how the 2014 offence minus Jackson is better than the 2014 offence with Jackson.

  • oreofestar

    I am gonna miss my favorite player really love this guy :'( I literally almost cry thinking about it…

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      man up.

      • oreofestar

        I DONT WANT TO!!!

        • EaglesFanInPhx

          hahahah

      • RIP illa

        LMAO…for real!

  • GEAGLE

    Guess Howies comments about their will be a WR at the top of the draft board each time they pick was a comment to be taken serious

    • oreofestar

      and there is a good chance that not one of the wrs there when you pick will be a 80 catch 1300 yard guy

      • GEAGLE

        Not as a rookie thats for sure….but I can assure you Sproles will catch ATleast 60 balls next year…I don’t at all view him as us adding a running Back or even a scat back…I view adding him, as adding Wes Welker..

        • oreofestar

          Sproles is not Welker though and to be honest Sproles will be a decoy more then anything, my think is why try and do a ton of things and use draft picks and put a ton of guys together to try and match Desean’s production when you can simply keep him and add onto that production

    • JofreyRice

      he seems to be telegraphing his moves so far.

  • takeo

    I really hopes the rumors of Chip not calling Desean about this are crap, otherwise it would be really classless from him.
    However, Desean is one of the most exciting players to watch, one for which I keep my breath on any offensive play and one for which Id pay the price of the ticket any given Sunday. Id be sad if he goes, even more if we don’t get fair value back.

    • oreofestar

      Yeah if I thought we were getting a Percy Harvin kind of haul while there is still no guarantee any of those picks pan out at least It would soften the blow but this whole mid rounder at best for Desean stuff is killing me

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    Somewhere, Joe Banner is laughing.

  • ztom6

    If you’re trying to rationalize this mess with some variation on “big people beat up little people”, stop… please, just stop.

    • oreofestar

      I doubt Desean’s size is the issue

      • Andy124

        TWSS

    • GEAGLE

      600 comments and I hAvent seen that brought up a single time..but thanks

      • ztom6

        I’ve seen it brought up at least twice in this thread.

        • GEAGLE

          Well then for those idiots..see Sproles!!

    • Kd711

      Roseman on Maclin signing: “Jeremy is an ideal player for our scheme with his combination of size, speed, strength and route-running ability, in addition to his dynamic playmaking talent”

      Chip on resigning Cooper: “He used his size, strength and speed to make big plays for our team, excited to watch him build upon success”

      They do seem to care about size and strength at the receiver position…

      • ztom6

        They care about size and strength at every position. They also care about speed.

      • oreofestar

        Maclin has like an inch and a half on Desean and is slower and straight up not as talented

      • GEAGLE

        We added Sproles to be a WR more then a RB

    • Maggie

      How about newer, younger, cheaper people replace somewhat older more expensive people? Happens constantly.

  • GEAGLE

    Bout to start a pool to bet on what the next report will be? I’m going with “it reached it’s boiling point when Desean was caught molesting a bald eagle at the Philadelphia Zoo, and tweeting about how he had his way with the bald bitch”

    • OldDocRoss

      If/when Marcus Vick weighs in with his thoughts, I’m out.

      • Andy124

        Made me curious. Didn’t see anything about DJ yet, but there was this gem:

        Hey I don't think you Eagle fans understand. I'll go the extra mile to bash you guys now that Mike is gone! Lol #BangBang #NoLimits— Marcus Vick (@MVFive) March 21, 2014

        • GEAGLE

          Is this real? Don’t make me go cyber slap “Fredo” Vick

          • Andy124

            It’s real. I’m sure it was part of an ongoing twitter spat between him and the twitterverse as opposed to 100% unprovoked, but that’s too fair. Go get ‘em! :)

          • GEAGLE

            Damn if!! I was hoping to avoid ever seeing what that idiot says on twitter..but this calls for my wrath…betchu I discover Marcus is Dutch after all.. Sort of a Finkle = einhorn situation

          • Andy124

            Like Marcus would be so high on Barkley.

          • GEAGLE

            Touche although that could have just been counter intel to maintain his cover, sort of how einhorn tucked his wang behind his ass

          • Andy124

            Giving Marcus way too much credit.

          • OldDocRoss

            I feel pretty confident in saying Marcus Vick is not capable of anything resembling counter intelligence.

            In fact, that sentence works fine with or without “counter”.

          • theycallmeaub

            Even Mike agrees with this.

          • RIP illa

            Love the Fredo Reference. Fits so perfectly.

        • Maggie

          Ooh, I’m vewy fwightened!

    • oreofestar

      Desean, tweets picture of himself at pro bowl with every non’eagle there

    • Mike Tyner

      I nearly spit my drink on the screen

  • ztom6

    It’s not. See the forest for the trees. The offense is designed to create explosive plays. Desean Jackson had twice as many explosive plays as anyone else on the team.

    Pretty sure Chip Kelly’s Oregon teams were known more for their speed at the skill positions than for being hulking giants.

  • GEAGLE

    Word is he is being traded for Jimmy Graham :) Yous wish!!!

    • oreofestar

      LOL if we trade DJAX fir Graham straight up I wouldn’t even be mad

      • GEAGLE

        I would hope not, I’d have you committed in a mental asylum if you were still pissed

        • oreofestar

          I mean I would like it a little more if the Saints threw in a pick

  • Andy124

    Another interesting thing from twitter regarding the production between DJax and Cooper once Foles took over. Row 19 is the key figure to focus on. 30.61% of the yards went to DJ, and 30.61% to Coop. Interesting.

    http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/2117793/13323851234_4175f601ec_o.jpg

    • GEAGLE

      I’m trying to start a lynch mob to go make Bicknell pay for this….who’s with me? WR coach HAS to GO!!!

      • oreofestar

        Yo I am in

        • GEAGLE

          Lol I already knew you’d be down
          ..
          Bout to go bait Desean on twitter into talking ish about Bicknell

          • oreofestar

            No…really Bicknell has to go

          • GEAGLE

            Off with his head!

          • RIP illa

            I’d say if he has another run in going forward with a receiver, and without DJax there, and to a similar degree…then he has to go. Right now, it appears as if he won out!

  • ztom6

    And who was the best player on the team when it came to producing explosive plays? DeSean Jackson. Who was the best player on Oregon for producing explosive plays? DeAnthony Thomas.

    • Kd711

      DeSean Jackson is not like DeAnthony Thomas. He doesn’t run the ball. An I’m not saying DeSean wasn’t an explosive player last year. I’m saying he may not fit the mold of what Chip looks for in a receiver for his offense, as only one of many factors into the decision to trade him.

      • ztom6

        They are plenty similar: they are fast guys you want to get the ball to in space. Main difference is DeSean is a much more polished receiver, not so much DAT’s running ability.

        • Kd711

          I disagree. DeSean has elite straight line speed, but he doesn’t make guys miss that much. But the main point is that receiver and TAZR are two different positions.

          • ztom6

            he makes plenty of people miss and the position name is irrelevant. He didn’t rack up all those RAC yards and 20 yard+ plays by accident. The Chip Kelly offense philosophy as far as I can tell is to get the ball in the hands of guys like Jackson and Thomas with room to run. You get rid of Jackson you’re decreasing the overall explosiveness of the offense by a significant amount. And in return you gain… well, what exactly?

          • JofreyRice

            yep. Numbers don’t bear out the “he doesn’t make people miss” smear. Guy forced 9 missed tackles and had 6.0 YAC average. Brent Celek, Zach Ertz and Riley Cooper forced 11 missed tackles combined–5 of them coming from Celek, who was actually really productive as a receiver.

            Maybe it makes people feel better if the tackle is “broken” versus the kind open field moves Jackson puts on people to get by them, I don’t know–“toughness” thing or something–but this narrative of Jackson as a guy without RAC ability is strong. A lot of these same folks are eager to see what Jeremy Maclin can do. ??? I don’t get it.

          • ztom6

            I would have been eager to see what a WR trio of Jackson/Maclin/Cooper could have done. Cooper/Maclin not going to be a strength of the team as a tandem and probably creates a need for them to fill in the draft.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, he’s gone for sure. Now just a matter of how much we get in return. Beyond just the way they bollocks the compensation piece, I don’t have any idea why they’d manage the offseason this way. Add crappy guys on short deals and special teamers. Create a huge need where you had strength.

          • ztom6

            I can understand the thinking of shopping DJ to pick up extra high pick(s) in this draft. I don’t understand making it so obvious that you think he’s toxic. All the other teams have to be wondering why you don’t want him.

            The approach to FA I was fine with tbh. Not many deals by other teams I would have liked to have seen the Eagles jump on themselves, TJ Ward maybe.

          • Kd711

            I was just arguing against his comparison between DAT and DeSean. DAT had a 12 YAC average last year.

          • Kd711

            The position name isn’t irrelevant. One player had 96 rushes and the other had 3 last year. DAT’s longest reception was 28 yard last year. They’re two completely different positions. You’re being overly abstract in the way you talk about Chip’s scheme. It’s not just about “explosiveness”. There are other factors that go into creating explosive plays.

            You might be right about the overall explosiveness of the offense going down. Just saying maybe the Eagles don’t want to invest a lot of money long-term into a player that (possibly) isn’t an ideal scheme fit.

          • Maggie

            You don’t “get rid” of Jackson. You trade in a slightly worn piece, who will begin to lose value soon, for 2 shiny brand new draft picks.

  • oreofestar

    A poll asking where you thought Desean would be playing on Monday was 70% for Eagles now only 34.5% still think he is staying

  • Mike Tyner

    It cant only be the argument with the wr coach and the money grab after the playoff loss. Something else has to have transpired for this to get so ugly so fast

    • Maggie

      Why? Football is a business. A taxi company, or a city fleet trades in vehicles every 3 years or so. A wide receiver is no different in the minds of a business management group. And no, I don’t hate anybody. Yes I root for the Eagles, but the team always comes ahead of the individual piece of equipment. Sorry, these are human beings but sometimes life is tough, even for millionaire athletes.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Bye

  • Dilwala_G

    Releasing Desean Jackson or trading him for 30 cents on the dollar is classic eagles FO garbage I had hoped ended with the last regime. Honestly, unless there is some Chris Carter / Buddy Ryan stuff going on behind the scenes, this just looks like a diva coach and GM who can’t handle a top 10 receiver being honest and saying he thinks he’s outperformed a no dollars guaranteed for injury contract (which is true, btw). It’s not only going to hurt the team this year, also undoes a bunch of the goodwill/pr effort with players howie has been working so hard on. Players want to be on a team where talent is recognized and rewarded – not dragged through the mud and then released. Don’t think Michael Kendricks and Brandon Boykin (to name just two) will notice this come extension time next year?