Eagles Wake-Up Call: DeSean’s Future In Chip’s Hands

NFL: Philadelphia Eagles at Minnesota Vikings

As the DeSean Jackson rumors continue to swirl, the most difficult question to answer is: Why?

Why would the franchise be looking to move a 27-year-old wide receiver coming off a career year?


Some point to his salary. But the Eagles are $16.2 million under the cap right now. Per OverTheCap.com, Jackson got $15 million guaranteed with his new deal, which ranks 15th among wide receivers. His average annual salary is $9.7 million, which ranks eighth. I don't see how the money is really an issue. Talented, productive players get paid. And cap space is not stopping this team from doing anything in the current market.

Even after 2013, some suggest Jackson isn't a scheme fit. Would Chip Kelly prefer that Jackson were 6-3? Sure. But he was one of four wide receivers in the NFL last year to catch 80+ balls and average more than 16.0 yards per catch. Jackson was a key cog in the best downfield passing attack in the league.

And finally, there is the argument that he's replaceable. The team re-signed Jeremy Maclin and Riley Cooper. The draft is loaded at wide receiver. But still, without Jackson, it's a below-average group with one starter coming off an ACL injury and another who will face a lot more safety attention than he did last year. The draft is unpredictable. The last thing the Eagles want is to be sitting at No. 22 feeling like they need to add a starting-caliber wide receiver.

So none of those theories really make sense to me. The only logical explanation for trading Jackson would be that the head coach doesn't want him around.

We know Kelly has final say on the 53-man roster. He said as much last summer. And despite the results in 2013, we know there were bumps in the road with Jackson. Back in June, the wide receiver didn't like that he was running with the second and third teams in practice. He and Kelly had a meeting to clear the air.

There was the dust-up with wide receivers coach Bob Bicknell on the sideline in Minnesota. And with the playoff loss to the Saints still fresh on everyone's minds, Jackson suggested he should see some more guaranteed money in his contract.

None of those incidents, when looked at on an individual basis, seem to be that big of a deal. But perhaps they hint at what's happening now.

Kelly has placed an emphasis on chemistry in the locker room. He wants all 53 guys pulling in the same direction and buying into his program. But he has also admitted on several occasions that this is a personnel-driven league. Without talent, the most innovative scheme of all-time doesn't matter.

The best solution for Kelly would be to do what coaches are paid to do: figure it out. Last year, he put together a top-five offense, Jackson had a career year and the team went 10-6. Why not find a way to try and make it work?

Maybe that's what Kelly will end up doing. But the trade rumors are only growing louder each day, and the Eagles are doing nothing to quiet the noise. If they end up moving Jackson, it will be because the head coach is gambling on the risky proposition that the team is better off without him.

That's the only explanation that makes sense.

WHAT YOU MISSED

A roundup of national media coverage: Buzz on Jackson, mock drafts and more.

Five thoughts on the state of the Eagles.

T-Mac takes a look at the safety position.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Drew Brees is disappointed that the Saints traded Darren Sproles. From FoxSports.com:

"I think a Darren Sproles only comes around once in your lifetime, in my career and in everybody's career," Brees told FOX Sports and USA Today Sports at the NFL Players Association player rep meetings. "There may be another one 15, 20 years from now. But there's not many guys like Darren Sproles. He's a special player, he's a special person, he's a special teammate. I'm lucky to have had the chance to play with him on two teams -- '05 in San Diego when we drafted him in the (fourth) round and three years in New Orleans.

"That was one of the tougher ones for me," Brees said, adding: "I feel like that was my guy, that was my pick and I wanted that to last forever. But unfortunately, it didn't last forever."

Tommy Lawlor of Iggles Blitz takes a look at the Eagles' defense:

2014 is going to be a key year for the Eagles defense. The players will be held to a higher standard this time around. They can’t use the “we’re still learning the scheme” excuse anymore. Put up or shut up. At the end of this season, the team should have a much better feel for whether Fletcher Cox can take the next step and become an impact player. Whether Bennie Logan is the answer at NT. Whether Ced Thornton can rush the passer well enough to consider him more than just a run defender. Whether Mychal Kendricks can clean up his game and become more consistently outstanding.

COMING UP

There's never a dull moment with this squad.

Be respectful of our online community and contribute to an engaging conversation. We reserve the right to ban impersonators and remove comments that contain personal attacks, threats, or profanity, or are flat-out offensive. By posting here, you are permitting Philadelphia magazine and Metro Corp. to edit and republish your comment in all media.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Do it Chip

  • Bukester

    Keep this in mind – its been 2 days since this rumor came to be and in those 2 days, coach has been on the road. So, if its his problem to solve or rumor to dispel, then its probably not something he could do well from where he is right now. If he is telling DeSean to stop talking to the media, which he should, but has assured him there is validity, then all thats left is the media. And who does he owe explanation to? 24/7? Agents? I agree its a huge issue if he is on the table for a trade – and the window is closing fast, before he has to say something – but its not overdue at this point. It all makes sense to me. I just think coach is sooo in tune with the talent in college and EVERYONE keeps saying how many skilled WR there are, its impossible to look the other way. Personally, I think he had his best season ever and won’t see that again.

    • rosamondnecipoglu321

      my Aunty Julia got silver Volkswagen Beetle Convertible by
      working parttime off of a home computer… Look At This C­a­s­h­D­u­t­i­e­s­.­ℂ­o­m

    • ceedubya9

      The rumor has actually been going on for a few weeks now, I beleive. It just reached its highest point a couple of days ago though.

    • Zack Scott

      Who hasmd his best season ever, chip or desean?

      • Richard Colton

        Just looking at the stats now. DeSean had one of his best years in the NFL. Chip Kelly had his worst statistical year as a pro. Fact.

        • borntosuffer

          Again proving that fact is stranger than fiction!

  • Bullwinkle

    Maybe Chip intends to bring Jackson back, but he’s trying to teach him a lesson…….bring down his ego a few pegs by showing him that he’s expendable. Of course, the Eagles would trade him if the offer is fair, but that doesn’t seem likely given the negative publicity Jackson has gotten over the past several days.

    • Dominik

      Rumors are about a 3rd rounder and they don’t even get that.

      If this trade happens it has zero to do with what’s going on on the football field. We would need to trust the Chippah on this one. Sheil pointed it out, better than I can, that it has to be the locker room, if the rumors are true.

      It wouldn’t destroy what Roseman and Kelly are building, of course, but it would be a significant throwback for the next season. A 4th rounder is worth nothing compared to DJax on the field.

      • GEAGLE

        This is not going to happen

        • Tom w

          Me think you in denial and just hoping it won’t happen

      • aub32

        If locker room chemistry is so important, then someone please explain how Cooper is on the team. None of the reasons for this story make any sense.

        • Tom w

          Wow you just refuse to believe that eagles would ever trade djax or just fell in love w him as a player and ignore the me first attitude and refusal to talk to his position coach

          • aub32

            His “Me first” attitude is completely overblown. His teammates speak out against it and we saw none of it the past 2 years. You are right. I refuse to believe the Eagles would part with their best WR because of incidents that happened 2 years ago, especially when they resigned to big money after the 2011 season.

  • Kevin

    While everyone is speculating about why they may trade D-Jax, here are a few reasons it may just be noise:
    1. The Eagles won’t get good value back. The draft is wide receiver heavy and free agency is over. A top ten pro bowl player is worth more than a third round pick. We know the Eagles have always been proficient about getting value.
    2. From an offensive scheme point, the offensive runs through Shady and D-Jax, would an offensive guru really blow that up.
    3. The Eagles did flatly deny the report of moesher. Check out the last part of Howie’s interview with WIP, he says that the report did not come from anyone in the building.
    4. The Eagles have always been great about keeping these things under wraps… Why would they leak info now and lose leverage.
    5. No one would ever provide a minimum for a trade. You never start first in negotiations. With all the trades the Eagles made, ever remember them saying this player is on the block and for this as a minimum.
    6. Even if they deny it, we wouldn’t believe them, just look at our skepticism when Chip says Jenkins was the free agent target.
    7. There are reports that the eagles did talk to DeSean about this and what is going last week, before Tim’s report.
    I don’t doubt there is some smoke behind this fire, but I don’t think it was started by the Eagles or the Eagles are actively shopping him. It seems more reasonable that this whole mess started as speculation and has progressed as such to the point where if I was another team, I’d make a call.
    Just my opinion.

    • Threagles

      Kevin, regarding point 3, that is not a flat denial, but a deflection. All it means is THEY didn’t leak it. If they want to end this, all they have to say is “We are not trading him.” Until they do so, they are leaving the door open for speculation.

    • jcar

      What show on WIP was Howie on? trying to find it

      • Kevin

        It was on the morning show and it was in response to the ‘one false step’ report by moesher. Having problems copying the link, but you can find it about half way through the article on bleeding green nation.

  • GEAGLE

    Desean said he would be really hurt if he was traded, plans on finishing his career in philly…

    Desean or not, I NEEDS my boy Moncrief..Cossell Loves him and is seeing many similarities between him and the tapes of Damyrius Thomas and Josh Gordon….YES PLEASE!!! Silly round one WRs, Moncrief will out beast all of them, and your boy Evans, Cliff daddy!!

    • cliff henny

      why argue, get both! big knock is DM body catches. i’d have him best of 3rd batch. 1st being Sammy W and Evans 2nd that mass of beckham adams cooks Matthews Robinson Benjamin and Lee. hope Eagles get 1, this point I don’t care which, please add him to Jax and co, is all.

      • GEAGLE

        Lol don’t tell me you believe this Desean BS too? The same media who couldn’t find out about a single free agent! thinks they would EVER hear about this? They think Howie would start off asking for a 3rd in the early stages of negotiations when this wouldn’t happen til draft time?
        ..
        Who benefits from these reports? NOT HOWIE, this it’s NOT REAL! If we ever trade Desean it would be the most covert black ops operation EVER and it would come out of no where.Howie would lead teams to believe that he is happy to not trade Desean. THIS IS NOT REAL!!!

        I think it’s a brilliant play by an Agent, Joe Segal! who you know In I his ear every day about “TIME TO GET PAID”. Think he brilliantly threw out this 3rd round garbage knowing it would make eagles fans go crazy..what’s the best way for Howie to squash mass hysteria and prove this isn’t true? Throw some more cash at his client. I literally don’t believe this at all. As in not even a 1% chance that this is real..

        Same media that couldn’t even find out about a non name st player like Braman, thinks they would hear about this? And that Howie would ever start negotiations at a 3rd round pick? Even if Howie would be ok with settling on a 3rd rounder, he would NEVER, I repeat NEVER make it known!!!

        • oreofestar

          I hope your are right I just am hoping he gets a new deal soon that shuts up trade talks

          • GEAGLE

            Chip will shut this BS down at the owner media next week..so “reporters” only have a few more days to eat off this story, without having to provide any facts

        • cliff henny

          no, I think it’s crappy writers media driven. i’d listen to offers for my Mother. if that bothers d-jax, so what, new contract will smooth it over.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup…it’s either we heard the raiders offer and blew it out of proportion, or Deseans agent is starting this,…you have to think Howie is a joke of a GM if this is how you think he would be conducting business with a TRADEable asset…

          • cliff henny

            99% why I think its BS is it’s in media. name 1 move over last 2yrs we’ve known, had inside source. not a ‘hey Jenkins fits, it’d be logical move’. even Vick getting resigned last year came out of nowhere. Eagles aren’t Dallas, who broadcasts every move prior.

          • GEAGLE

            EXACTLY!!! Howie is in full covert black ops mode…we would NEVER hear something major like this because it doesn’t benefit our trade negotiations, thus this is NOT REAL

          • cliff henny

            Gunner tweet and bleecher-report stirred last wave up. mean, com’on people. Adam Schefter is plugged-in, he saying there’s very little to all this. same lazy reporting that has Eagles going CB early. not how business is done at NovaKremlin (props to jofreyrice-do like this)

          • GEAGLE

            Preach pastor Cliff!!!

          • Richard Colton

            Ohh Bleacher Report said it? Well there you go.

          • cliff henny

            yup. it’s all the same BS being passed and tweeted about. add in a little ‘whisper down the line’ adjustment, twisting it so it’s new for the day. no substance, no one putting a name to it. the 1 credible guy in the whole mess, Adam Schefter said GMs hear Jax is available, doubt he is, maybe at a king’s ransom…and that’s getting shouted down by click desperate writers.

        • jesse

          Spot on Geage’s wish I could up vote this 100 times

      • RIP illa

        “Why argue, get both!”
        Only if we can get Washington from Missouri too!!! LOL.

        • cliff henny

          dude got popped for weed, was 6th-7th before…wont be shocked if he goes undrafted.
          .
          I want them ALL! 6 WRs, all different shapes and sizes, toss in another young freak TE and Sproles, DC’s will have to guess what offense Kelly is putting out that week. guess right, he puts out another wave. Eagles had very little scheme versatility last year, that’s going to change. Kelly ran about 3 or 4 different offenses within games at Oregon. that and pace of play.

  • GEAGLE

    I’m not talking about this Desean crap again…catch Yous when someone changes the damn subject

    • cliff henny

      yeah, whoever’s pushing rumors out, whether it’s Jax, FO or media, i’m spent. trade him-better get a lot more than a 3rd and have couple WRs targeted in draft…resign him-fine, everyone better bury Hatchet and move on.
      .
      his crap is almost making me miss days of Foles vs Vick…almost

      • GEAGLE

        Don’t worry, the media only has a few more days to eat off this story. Chip will put this all to bed at the owners media

      • oreofestar

        I am just waiting for a freaking new deal

  • Burberry Manning

    I know this is supposed to be the best class of wr’s in a while, but how many rookie wideouts come in and are nfl ready. I’d rather keep Djax and look for a 70 catch 1200 yard season 5 or 6 tds. His bravado attitude size etc is why he lasted until the second round and he has produced and never been in trouble off the field why does he need to be a boy scout.

  • GEAGLE

    Btw, for those who want to know why Nate took a one year deal! he said he only had 1year offers on the table so it made sense to go play for the defense he knows if this is a prove it year for him…sorry dreamland boys, Nate didn’t turn down a Longterm deal just to be an eagle…

    • aub32

      Thanks for the info. I figured as much. Hopefully Nate will have a good year with some continuity. I just realized he’s played for 4 different DCs

      • GEAGLE

        Crazy isn’t it? I always said I wish I had a magic wand that put one extra year on his contract so we could see what he could do with good coaching continuity..thought I needed a magic wand because someone would offer him a Chung contract..gladly welcome him back to find out just how good he can be in this defense…

        He spoke honestly at his press conference and in studio with Spadaro..worth checking out when board

      • jesse

        As a back up to the Wolfe man

        • aub32

          I think Nte and Jenkins will be the starters at the beginning of the season.

    • dnabrice

      He was not really excited to be back. You could tell he was faking it in his presser. I actually think the guy can turn it around (which he was starting to) and a lot of the issues were scheme, team falling apart, and injury. He has the talent to win the starting job, so don’t be surprised if he does.

  • ia

    I bet ye Chip already talked to Desean and there’s nothing unclear between them. So whatever is said in the media doesn’t effects the relation between Chip and Desean.
    I bet ye they respect each other. Chip is great communicater and Desean will know what’s in Chips heart . Desean has to deside if he wants to join Chips system or try the market and the Eagles will help in both derections.
    If there’s an issue I believe it will be on Desean’s side, not Chip’s. Maybe Desean doesn’t trust Chip.

    • RIP illa

      WTF!!! Where do you come up with this stuff???

    • Uncle Wonder

      Try the market? Are you saying he is going to get cut?

  • Richard Colton

    Sheil is barely hiding his disgust with this non-story.

    • cliff henny

      it’s probably annoying for a quality writer. he has no choice but to address it, it’s the 10,000 lb pink elephant in the corner. he sitting in office watching inferior writers turnout d-jax after d-jax (really Gunner tweets and that’s a source?-not even sure, once I saw his name attached I turned off site), driving market cause they cant match him without resorting to TMZ levels. hopefully it passes, order can be restored.

      • Richard Colton

        Yeah – D.Gunn “trusted source close to the Eagles”

        My god, if Vai Sikehema tweets next, I’ll lose my mind. It has to be true. Does Vaughn Hebron know?

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          hahahaha you’re killing me this morning!

          10 minutes after Gunn twat that nonsense, Chip pry called Djax:

          DJ: …hello? coach? what’s good?
          CK: ‘sup homie. listen, I know your feed is blowing up, so I’ll make this short- that rumor came straight from that as**** Banner. No legs to it.
          DJ: for real? cool, ’cause Snoop Dogg is telling me otherwise…
          CK: first of all, he goes by snoop lion now. second, how many times do I have to tell you that Snoop doesn’t actually speak with Howie?
          Look, to make it up to you, you can take a few days off during TC to cut that new album. I can’t wait for it to drop
          DJ: yeaa boy! thanks coach, you da man.

          CK: and don’t you forget it.

          • Kevin

            Ike Reese is reporting that Chip did talk to DJ…. Not sure if it was your exact transcript (which is awesome and great work) but it’s the same meaning… All good just noise and rumors.

      • Chris

        I was really hoping this wasn’t the morning story, I feel like these guys don’t have a big boss telling them what they HAVE to write so they can churn out quality articles without the annoying national spin, but at the end of the day you’re right – it’s staring everyone in the face and they don’t really have a choice. Get your page clicks boys, and get it out of the way.

      • jesse

        Welcome to the age of misinformation .where anyone with half a thought and laptop, hell a cell phone can start a blog or pose as writer on say bleacher report and say some out of of your ass nonsense and report it as a fact. and if it’s on the Internet is fit to be the truth right?

    • Will

      Kickalicious seen getting off an airplane at philly airport…..

      • Dilwala_G

        Seriously or are you just messing with us?

        • Will

          makes as much sense as all the BS around DJax this morning….

          • Richard Colton

            I’ll only believe it if you post the video

          • Andy124

            lol

    • Ark87

      I don’t read it like that. I see disgust with A) if the story is complete garbage, it has distressed our WR, if the FO wants to stick it to the media by ignoring it, that’s fine, but keeping DJax in the dark on this is just bad management. Give them the assist for making a problem where there was none.

      And B) if there is truth to the matter, it’s because Chip can’t handle the wildly talented and unique player that in many ways made the offense go (They sold out on Shady a lot, D Jax made them pay, so they gave him a lot of attention too, and Cooper got to look like a really good #2). We all remember TO, this is nowhere near as bad as that. Chip is a player’s coach? Figure it out then. Ergo, disgust.

      One way or another, this story should not be.

      • anon

        If Chip can’t handle DJax he’s going to have tons of issues with talented guys, especially WRs.

        Those guys look at the tape i think they understand (a) what Djax does for the scheme and (b) that he knows he’s by far the best WR on the team (maybe he’s not with Maclin).

        • TripSquadMonopoly

          DJax is not in the same category as Maclin how would you even think that?

      • dnabrice

        Just because DeSean hasn’t tweeted that they’ve reached out to him doesn’t mean that they haven’t done it. The Eagles are not going to address this with the media. At this point it’s a made up story, but made up stories can lead to real problems.

        • Ark87

          True enough, as long as DJax and the FO are talking and playing nice, there’s no worries.

      • Richard Colton

        Agree. Except with your suggestion that the FO and/or Chip has an obligation to address every rumor. I listen to Kelly’s snarky press conferences, and clearly he doesn’t see it that way.

        • Ark87

          “if the FO wants to stick it to the media by ignoring it, that’s fine”

          I do mean it. It’s totally fine. But if the player begins expressing concern, you got to take care of that if it’s just a rumor. “Hey DJax, that’s total BS, your my boy. PS, nice diamonds around your neck.” Case closed. Back to pure speculation, with the FO not being concerned about the rumor, nor the player.

          • Richard Colton

            Well put Ark.

          • cliff henny

            but remember, 2 sides are going into contract negotiations. so,you put your arm around him, say ‘we need and love you’ and Jax says, great add 2m per year. FO let’s trade rumors fly about a bit, when they sit at table Howie gets to say ‘yeah, we like and respect you, but we also do think you are replaceable, here’s 8m/per’.

          • Ark87

            Yet another factor. Yeesh, tinfoil hat theorists could then say that rumors saying Eagles only got offers of a 3rd round pick, so…cui Bono?

          • Richard Colton

            Latin gets an upvote every time

          • Ark87

            “Cui gives a sh**, it’s got a f*****’ bow on it”
            confession: I only know the meaning of it outside of context because of The Departed, which I obsessed over when it came out haha.

          • Richard Colton

            Love that movie.

            “I’m the guy that does his job, you must be the other guy”

    • GEAGLE

      Edit non story and replace it with fairytale

      • Richard Colton

        Only when you change “Howie” back to “Bowie”

    • Weapon Y

      I hate the whole idea of trading DJax, but it’s not a non-story. Too many credible journalists have reported such a trade is viable. It’s not like Eskin is the only guy reporting this. Chip and Howie are playing some kind of mind game here. Something is up.

      • Richard Colton

        When every single one begins “…the Eagles are not shopping DeSean Jackson, but…” then (for me at least) it’s a non-story. What exactly is the story?

        DeSean is petulant? That’s a seven year old story.
        An NFL team would consider trading a player if the offer was high enough? True of 99% of the league.

        • Weapon Y

          What do you expect? Do you really think the Eagles would definitively leak to the press that they wanted DeSean gone? Of course not. Their leverage would be gone. Subtly hinting at it is the only way to get a good trade.

          • GEAGLE

            You think starting mass hysteria and letting people find out that we will accept a 3rd round pick is how a good GM operates? You think this is a SUBTLE suggestion? Smh

          • Tom W

            Could be an agent or an executive for another team …. i get that…. but eagles could just stop it all by saying we love desean we aren’t trading him AND the eagles haven’t done that ………………………….because we will trade djax if we get the right offer because chip doesn’t want his second highest paid player be a me-first guy who dislikes the position coach and cries about his contract … its the exact opposite of fit and buying in …. chip loses credibility if he lets that go on.

            Eagles haven’t stopped anything .. reported we called djax and told him we aren’t shopping but are taking calls …. why we wouldn’t we tell him hey we love you we have no interest in trading a 27 yr old wr1 coming off a top 6 wr year.

            Its alot more than a non story …. Kempski, rube, howard, dgunn have all talked about the the feeling of the team and how he doesnt fit, then then avant rumor gets circulated how he was the go between w djax and bicknell, and then dgunn and tim and schefty all reported we are fielding calls for him and there is a market ….

            we aren’t going to give him away, but we are looking and open to a reasonable deal …. don’t think howie needs to be blown away based on the headache and the fact we don’t want him here long term ………….. which is obvious bc we haven’t redone his horrible deal (horrible for team and djax).

          • southy

            3rd round pick is right in that sweet spot to not be completely laughable but low enough to get all the fans really pissed off. and then you add in “and maybe more” and it just sounds way too fishy to me.

          • Weapon Y

            Like other people said, no report said the Eagles will absolutely get rid of DeSean no matter what. I need to hear more reports of a 3rd round pick from reputable journalists to consider that rumor credible. SMH.

    • addicted2mula

      I was just thinking the same thing. All this talk mines well get everything out now

  • oreofestar

    Damn I had a Desean nightmare last night, don’t even remember what the hell we got for him just remember seeing our offense not be able to put up 30 and win games for us, I think we gave him to the Jets in my dream, that hurt

  • JReamer

    Can we please S or get off the pot? I’m sick of hearing about it and beyond ready to move past this, be it with or without DJax (though I’d much prefer with).

  • aub32

    If locker room chemistry is so important, then I don’t see how Riley Cooper wasn’t cut before last season. Thank you Sheil for again pointing out how DeSean isn’t some guy that can easily replaced.

    • Andy124

      He’s too short. Momah is better because he is tall.

      • borntosuffer

        Nice. Bigger people only beat up the little ones that they can catch.

      • dnabrice

        And just as fast running 40s. Because that’s all that WR do…run 40s….

        • Andy124

          Disagree. If that’s all they do it wouldn’t matter how tall they are. So let me restate your sentence:

          All WRs do is help old ladies get boxes off the top shelf of a grocery store at the end of a 40 yard long ailse.

  • Andy124

    It’s the slow play, all leading up to the biggest April Fool’s day prank in Eagles history.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Imagine 11 days from now they release the trade to media, media goes nuts for a couple hours, then they release the APRIL FOOLS video, all fun and games, media’s left scrambling..

  • ceedubya9

    “The best solution for Kelly would be to do what coaches are paid to do: figure it out.”

    That’s a damn fine statement there, Sheil.

  • TNA

    I think there’s plenty of “blame” to go around for letting this fester, but I’m starting to really believe that this was all started by djax’s agent. It was just a wild ass guess at first, but all signs are pointing at him. Not CK, not Howie, not DJax. The agent knows that DeSean had to take a team-friendly deal a couple years ago and sees that he could be getting a bigger commission pay check for an asset like DJax. Remember that DJax essentially forced his agent to accept the last contract.
    Another thing that may be going on is MV7 not being on the team. He was the guy DJax listened to. But take away him and Avant, and DeSean probably thinks he’s the guy that should be calling the shots in the locker room. Remember that Vick was the one that convinced DJax to shut up, work out and be committed to the team in preseason last year with the thinking that if he was a good soldier, he’d get paid. Is DJax ready to step up as a leader in the locker room? Whether it’s him or his agent that is brewing this “situation” he’s never really consistently shown leadership.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    birds trading him to SF for OLB Corey Lemonier and a pick. your safety and wr will be there in the first 2 rounds.

    • George

      source?? or are you kidding

      • Andy124

        Yeah, a disclaimer that this is just a theory or a source to verify would be appreciated in these trying times.

        • Brent E. Sulecki

          people in North korea are having trying times. what your going thru is insanity

          • Andy124

            “Trying times” was a bit tongue in cheek there big guy. Lighten up.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            im just sayin take it easy. no sense in all of us trying to figure it out. its obvious something is going on. whether he stays or goes. its their decision. like everyone I just hope they can replace what he did if he does get traded. my opinion is where there is smoke there is fire so I expect him to be gone.

          • anon

            Jackson was in the prove it year of his contract, he proved it. All he wants is guarantees — what player wouldn’t. I don’t think you can reproduce his numbers with less than a first OR maybe they are trying to get him for a stud pass rusher. I can understand that. But trading just to get rid of him seems silly.

          • GEAGLE

            Where there is smoke, there is a smoke machine!! I feel bad for those who believe this fairytale…for those who believe this, I have the fountain of youth in my basement..5$ per glass. line up boys!!!

          • borntosuffer

            Tough moving on from this topic, eh G?

        • Richard Colton

          How about “a WR will be there in the first 2 rounds” – cannot guarantee any draftee will replace his production.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            whys that. he got paid after 2 subpar seasons and took plays off. has one good season and wants money again. the kid wont stop doing this. chip will replace him. im sure he is aware the versatility he adds to the offense. but maybe he wants something different.

          • Richard Colton

            I know that Jackson can get me 80/1300 in this system because he’s done it. You can’t say that for certain about any player in this draft, with the (possible) exception of Watkins. And we’re not getting Watkins.

            “Don’t worry, we can get WR help in the draft” isn’t a course of action. It’s crossing your fingers and wishing.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        its not real. don’t worry

    • Jeff Asay

      Another DeSean hater. He developed at a normal pace for wide receiver his first two seasons. As an impact player, he was getting shafted on his contract in a violent sport with no guaranteed money. His rookie contract was paying him far less than his value. Special teams impact alone he was getting underpaid. I fully supported his actions of dogging it. Who is looking out for DeSean if not DeSean? Banner and Reid should have paid him with a new deal or released him. ——–
      Sucked for his teammates, but if he got hurt were they going to chip in some dollars? Sucked for the fans because it was clear he wasn’t giving it his all.

      Ask yourself this: if he was such a cancer and underperformer, why didn’t Reid bench him? Because he was and is a home run hitter. There’s only a few receivers who demand the over the top attention Jackson does.
      ——-
      Only an idiot believes DeSean Jackson can be replaced through the draft. Maybe after a couple seasons of development, but most rookie receivers don’t do crap their rookie season. So you want the offense to take a step back in 2014 because Jackson isn’t perfect off the field?!? Only rookie I can remember having a major impact year one is Randy Moss, and he was playing across from Hall of Famer Chris Carter. Eagles rookies will be playing across from Cooper and the Gimp? What a joke!

      • Adam G

        There’s no angle I disagree more with than it was ok for him to tank.

        • borntosuffer

          Yea, that’s never a good thing. I’d have respected him if he’d have just held out. But, stepping between those lines and giving less than 100% is pretty tough to forgive. That being said, he has not shown that in the years since. Maybe he’s changed.

        • Jeff Asay

          Holding out costs him money. His only choice was to show up for work. Want to blame someone, blame Reid for putting him out there.

          • Adam G

            That’s not how it works. I could give a list as long as my arm of players that were underpaid and still gave it their all. He acted like a little baby.

          • Jeff Asay

            And those players put their team ahead of being smart. No player believes they’re going to have a career ending injury. Jackson, or at least his advisors, convinced him that it was possible he would never see millions.

          • Jeff Asay

            That or that vicious hit he took going over the middle against Atlanta.

          • Adam G

            I really can’t believe you are rationalizing his behavior. That’s the nature of the NFL, if you don’t like it, do something else.

          • Jeff Asay

            Nature of the NFL? Not sure what that means.

          • Adam G

            Not a hard concept. Its an inherently dangerous game, you assume those risks when you play it. He had a contract, so he should play his hardest. Like I said, the list is long of VERY successful NFL players that did the exact same and actually cared about winning enough.

          • Jeff Asay

            Ahhhh, the old contract argument. In any other business, a contract holds both parties accountable for the life of the contract. Not so in the NFL. Player gets hurt in year one of a five year contract, team owes him nothing. Why do you think all contracts and cap-ology is focused on guaranteed money?

          • Adam G

            You are really pissing in the wind here. You are fighting the ideologies of the NFL. This is how its setup, and winners show they will play through it.

          • Andy124

            Just to be clear, there has to be languae in the contracts that allow them to be unilaterally terminated. That language could be included in any contract if both sides are willing ot sign it. It’s not just a special rule for the NFL.

          • Adam G

            I would like to know any other profession where you won’t get canned in a week if you show up and just tank. I certainly would never hire a guy like that.

          • Jeff Asay

            And in any other profession, if I could walk down the street and get a contract for my work that pays 10 times what you’re paying me, I would have already left without bothering to tank. In the NFL, I can’t do that until free agency.

          • Andy124

            I’ve seen badlazy employees stay employed in several work places I’ve been.

          • Adam G

            They don’t walk into work saying “Alright guys, you aren’t going to pay me more? I’m going to tank”

          • Andy124

            Not out loud they don’t.

          • Adam G

            Except he did

          • Andy124

            I don’t remember him saying that until after the fact.

          • Jeff Asay

            I don’t like guaranteed contracts (see Howard, Ryan) so in that respect I love the NFL. But I do believe in Labor using any method and leverage it has at it’s disposal against Management, because more often than not, Management owns holds all the cards. Jackson holds out, he loses money. He is detrimental to the team, he loses money. He acts out, he loses money. He plays but plays not to get hurt, he gets paid while letting management know they can choose one of three options: a) renegotiate b) bench him c) release him

            Once we accept that it was just a business negotiation and Jackson was using the tools available to him to leverage a better deal, we can accept what he did as rational.

          • Adam G

            But that’s not acceptable in the NFL. That is not what winners do. Your strategy works for other areas, but not in the NFL where there are certain norms that are followed. What he did just isn’t done and has left a serious black mark on his reputation.

          • Jeff Asay

            Winners? To take a page from your book, the list is long as the day is long with winners who never won a championship. Have to get paid when you have outperformed a rookie contract. Let me be clear, I would be totally opposed to Jackson playing games with his current contract. But he was playing on a rookie scale contract that was due for renegotiation. Precedent with Banner was to renegotiate with players on rookie contracts who had shown they can play in the NFL. It was a sign of good will the locker room appreciates, just as the deals for Kelce and Peters were appreciated this season. Banner didn’t like Jackson and was signaling that he was playing hardball.

          • Jeff Asay

            What Jackson did was put business ahead of the game. Ahead of the team. Ahead of the fans. I admire that he could take the emotion out of it. That he could take the heat that he would take and still takes because he made the best decision for DeSean Jackson. After he got paid, he has been an amazing player. His drops went way down. His effort went way up. He is all in.

  • TNA

    One last thought and I’m done with this. There’s a yin and yang relationship between loyalty to a team and looking out for number one. There’s got to be a balance there if both are going to succeed. You listen to all of the FA interviews and they all say 3 things. Coming to Philly was a good fit schematically and culturally; signing with Philly was good for them (and their family); and whatever it takes to win as a team. Perhaps the balance isn’t quite there with DJax (or his agent)

    • GEAGLE

      It the same agent who did the Cooper deal, Vick deal, maybe even Maclins(don’t hold me to that tho)

  • GEAGLE

    Cowboys aren’t getting Jared Allen so their pass rush will be non exsistent…They are better off dropping 9 into coverage then pretending that two of your players are rushing the passer,..Murica’s team!!!

    • anon

      Would you pay Jared Allen $7mm a year (assuming that’s what it costs).

      • Andy124

        If I ran a 4-3 and felt my team was a title contender right now and had the cap room I would.

        • GEAGLE

          I absolutely would…dude is durable, still beats OTs like a drum…much rather have him at 7mil then what we are paying for Trent Cole…Jared Allen can still play, and he will get to QBs…I think Denver made a major major major mistake paying a recently injury prone OLB instead of a durable 4-3DE like Allen who is still getting to QBs….

          • oreofestar

            Yeah if we were running a 4-3 I would want him

    • cliff henny

      rod marinelli is going to be miracle worker, just ask any Cowboy fan.

      • Ark87

        to their credit, they took a bunch of dudes off the street last year and gave our critically acclaimed o-line trouble. I know some Bears fans, they loved the guy’s work with the D-line.

        • cliff henny

          2nd half of season that defense was beyond terrible. had 1 mediocre game-Eagles, who still did a lot that game, should have put up more points. looking back, Kelly had very little scheme versatility, 2 TE or 3 WRs, pretty much knew what was coming, kiffen probably had pretty good idea how to defend a more limited Kelly playbook. we’ll see, but i’ll put my eggs in Kelly’s basket he figures out how to blow up his offense faster than Marinelli can figure out how to slow it down,given Eagles are adding weapons and Dallas is losing them.

          • Ark87

            All very true.

  • Engwrite

    I couldn’t have said better Sheil.

  • http://celebsoutfit.com/ sherlindecosta

    If room chemistry is therefore necessary, then i do not see however Riley Cooper wasn’t cut before last season.thanks Sheil for once more declaring however DeSean is not some guy that may simply replaced.

  • Jeff Asay

    Eagles FO is playing this smartly. Not responding to media smoke or even a smolder is the best way to not create signals down the line when there really is a leak. All they’ve said is, Look idiots, we will entertain any offer for any player, but doesn’t mean we won’t laugh about it later due to the absurdity of it all. If they say anything else, then they have to respond in the future or everyone will say their silence is confirmation of truth. Here, they stay consistently quiet until there are actual facts to report.

    • GEAGLE

      Howie doesn’t negotiate with terrorists

      • Richard Colton

        Why would anyone dressed like this EVER negotiate with terrorists?

      • Andy124

        Was better before you fixed it. :)

  • Weapon Y

    If DeSean is going to get traded for not being a “team guy,” how does Chip Kelly explain keeping Riley Cooper? He alienated about half of the team this summer. Btw I was in favor of Kelly’s decision to keep Cooper and I oppose any trade which does not capture Jackson’s value (top-20 first round pick because the only receiver I believe will be better than him from this draft class is Sammy Watkins). Where’s the consistency, Chip?

    • Eagles4Life

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t DJacc the one that stepped in when Riley and Cary went at it too??? I guess that doesn’t count for anything.

      • Weapon Y

        Good point. Backs up what Im saying even more.

    • Corey Dawson

      It’s different. DeSean is a “me, me, me” guy. Cooper made a mistake in his personal life and got in bad standing with teammates, yes, but followed up by being humble, admitting it was a huge mistake, apologizing profusely, and doing everything he could to make it right. That’s the kind of person I want on my team, the guy who admits his mistakes and does everything he can to correct them. That’s the kind of person who is more likely to put in the work for continual improvement and is a long term good player and good leader. It’s the type of person you want in the locker room as an example to young players coming out of college.

      Someone like DeSean who is more concerned with himself than the team, and who won’t play all out if he’s not comfortable with playing under the contract that he already signed, is not. People like him flame out once their physcial abilities start to fade in their late 20′s because no one wants them on the team, just like T.O. The organization doesn’t want that type of presence in the locker room as an example to young guys They also don’t want to set the precident that they appease the bitching and complaining by giving the player what they want, because then others will do the same thing.

      Yes this is business and you want to put the best team on the field and make the most money, but we also forget that football is also entertainment. Young kids watch it and idolize these players. We can argue back and forth on whether players need to hold themselves to a higher standard because of this, I took a psych class in college that argued on it for weeks, or if the organizations have a responsibility to penalize or reward how a player acts outside of his performance on the field and efforts to improve athletically. But the Eagles organization and Jeffrey Lurie and shown time and time again that they want to be known as a class act among football, the beacon which other organizations aspire to be, and doing things the right way and rewarding the good and slicing away the bad off the field as well as on it is part of building that image. This is one of the big reasons Cooper got paid, because he handled things right. It’s also why unless DeSean does the same, I doubt he’ll see any changes to how much money he is guaranteed, but he might see some changes to the color of jersey he wears.

  • The R

    How is chemistry a vital point of reference when RIley Cooper was a cancer last year. This is a biased way to try to either sway the public or justify the idiocy of the eagles, desean had the best wr stats with the eagles in the last 10 years. A MFn 3rd round pick if the eagles do this they will take a step back and the wr will struggles along with shady. Just the idea of trading someone that had over 1300 yrs offense is idiocy

  • Dilwala_G

    I’m with everyone in thinking this is a terrible trade idea, and that djax is worth more than a 3rd round pick. Only way I can see this happening is if it happens on draft day, and only after the eagles make their first round pick and the bpa is a total stud receiver and they are sitting there with 8 weapons for 5 spots every snap (4 WR, 2 TE, 2 RB) and a desire for multiple additional picks in this draft to address defense (2nd and a 4th maybe?). Even then, prefer to trade Celek over djax

    • JosephR2225

      A&E has a program called “Beyond Scared Straight” in which juvenile
      offenders spend a day in prison and are supposedly confronted with the
      harsh realities of prison life. I’m thinking the Eagles are going to
      fake-trade DJax to the Raiders for a week, then bring him back after
      he’s had a chance to see what it’s like.

    • dnabrice

      The eagles value blocking in a way only the coaching staff and football nuts understand. That’s why they like Cooper and Celek. One of the downsides to djax.

  • Will

    51 Days till the Draft…

  • borntosuffer

    It’s highly unlikely that Chip assumes that even a first round receiver will replace Jackson’s production – and there’s no guarantee he’d take a receiver in the first round. A 3rd rounder seems way too little return for DeSean’s talent. If Chip is considering this (and I’m not convinced he is) it has to be “addition by subtraction” a la Bobby Abreu. I don’t know how they would replace DeSean’s production. But, I remember Chip figured out how to get McCoy yards running when the conventional wisdom was that the holes were there for him only because Vick was QB. Whatever happens, Chip has a plan and he appears to be a pretty smart guy.

  • JofreyRice

    Trading Jackson would smack of the kind of organizational arrogance a lot of us hated in Andy.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Not saying I condone trading him, but also consider that the team didn’t even have a chance to talk before he went public. So if he is traded, that doesn’t mean that he didn’t have a hand in the reason why.

      • JofreyRice

        agreed there could be things going on beneath the surface. But that’s totally conjecture, at this poinr. I’m basing my opinion on what I can see. And there is no way Jackson’s antics are anything like what Cooper did. and let’s face it, Cooper was much less valuable to the team in Jackson is now. That comes into play.

        • Tom s

          Not speaking to your position coach is pretty bad

          • JofreyRice

            You think it’s the same as being publicly drunk, spewing racial slurs and trying to fight people at a country concert? Or whatever McCoy did? I don’t, and they went to bat for Cooper & Shady.

    • jabostick

      That’s what I thought when I saw some of the rumours – if they went through with it (for the reasons speculated anyway), it’d just be the FO trying to be ‘too cute’. Makes some sense as a fantasy GM move, but not in the real world.

    • stamtown

      Can’t fathom why they aren’t denying reports – at least have someone on the inside leak out a deflection to a reporter. Not sure why they are letting the media completely control this story and snowball it – especially with a volatile personality like DJ

      • JofreyRice

        yep. If this is all just a bunch of baloney, they need to come out and show some support. They may not “comment on rumors”, but this thing has taken on a life of it’s own. They need to address it, somehow.

  • Birds4Life

    I’m a huge fan of DJax. I think that his talent is hard to find in the NFL but let’s not pretend that he doesn’t disappear in the big games when we need him most. I don’t think that the Eagles are looking to trade him but if someone offers a 1st rd pick in the 5-15 range, they would jump all over it.
    Everyone talks about how a rookie can’t come in right away and replace his production 80 catches/1300 yards. But look at it this way, Eagles add Sproles maybe 60 catches/600 yards and Maclin is back, say we get 800 yards from him and then Ertz takes a big step forward this year and has 800 yards and 10 td’s. Rookie wont have to do that much in his first year. I think the Eagles are setting themselves up so that they can deal DJax if the price is right.
    Not saying that DJax is a special player, I would just love to have that big body receiver that can’t be taken out of the game by a little press-coverage. In the end though, I don’t think that he will be traded.

    • Birds4Life

      EDIT: Not saying that DJax isn’t a special player

    • RIP illa

      Disappearing in big games…Like the last playoff game where he was open and didn’t get the ball, or when he caught a horrid pass from St. Nick by going up and using his body??? I believed that kinda helped us comeback, but apparently he disappeared.
      Or maybe the 2010 playoff game, where it was his catch and 40 yard run after the catch, that put us in a position to score and win, before Vick threw that horrid pass to Coop??? Damn, DJax only eats when it doesn’t count!!!

      • Birds4Life

        No, you’re right, 3 catches for 53 yards in that playoff game last year with one catch going for 40 yards all after Keenan Lewis went out with a concussion is not disappearing at all.
        I’m sorry, but one CB should not be able to take a top ten WR out of the game. Keenan Lewis! Not Revis or Sherman, Lewis took DJax out of the game with no help. How is that not being taken out of the game?

        • RIP illa

          Apparently reading comp doesn’t come easy.

          • Birds4Life

            I can read fine, thanks for asking. I guess insulting someone that makes a good counter-argument that you have no response to is all you got. Keep slinging insults over the internet tough guy!

          • RIP illa

            you can read fine, but you completely ignore this “Like the last playoff game where he was open and didn’t get the ball”, and only respond with this, “No, you’re right, 3 catches for 53 yards in that playoff game last year with one catch going for 40 yards all after Keenan Lewis went out with a concussion is not disappearing at all.” But you can read fine? It’s easy to make counter arguments, whether they are good or not, when you don’t include full context.
            And then you accuse me of not having any responses, when I typed out two responses, one being 8 mins and the other being 1 min before you came back with what I am responding to now…Whaaaaaat???

          • cliff henny

            RIP’s patience is running thin. I can feel the keys on keyboard loosening from the pounding as I type

          • RIP illa

            Yes it is my friend. I’m just gonna step away for awhile.

          • Birds4Life

            Sorry I didn’t include that ONE play he was under thrown in my counter argument. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning never make bad throws! There I mentioned it, happy? But sure, keep puffing out your chest!
            Still doesn’t explain how he was covered by one guy when NO was trying to stop Shady and force Foles to throw to beat them. And he did what? We would have won that game if Foles didn’t hit a open DJax! I guess its time to draft a new QB that never misses a open WR.

        • RIP illa

          And I’ll tell you the same thing I told Token last night…since we’re gonna throw around clichés and all.
          Nnamdi took Calvin Johnson out of a game for a full 3 quarters before Juan switched up and put DRC on him. Nnamdi!!!

      • GEAGLE

        Game winning punt return didn’t seem like disappearing..
        ..
        Shady and the best OL In the NFL did NOTHING against the saints, but Desean disappeared? Where do you people come up with this crap?

        • Birds4Life

          Exactly! NO geared up to stop Shady and force Foles to throw the ball and our #1 WR does what before Keenan Lewis is out of the game. Lewis, a good CB, but not a lock down CB that should be taking a top 10 WR in the league out of the game.
          That’s the knock on DJax, play press coverage and it takes him out of the game.

          • GEAGLE

            I recall a defensive battle in the first half where both offenses struggled to do much of anything…that’s how I remember it…but feel free to write your own narrative…and the offense ultimately left the field with a lead
            .

          • Eagles4Life

            People soon forget.

          • Birds4Life

            So you just said that it was a defensive struggle in the first half, don’t see how that disproves that DJax was taken out of the game. But feel free to write your own narrative.

      • Birds4Life

        And just checked, 2010 vs GB in playoffs, 2 catches/47 yards, long of 28. Don’t see how that isn’t disappearing in big games.

        • RIP illa

          LMFAO!!! So since teams make it there job to solely focus on DJax and leave everybody else open, who still can’t produce…Yet all that matters are how many yards he puts up and/or catches. The fact that in the Saints game, his catch was the catalyst for our comeback, doesn’t matter…Nope he disappeared!!! The fact that his catch and run in the GB game, put us in a position to win doesn’t matter…Nope he disappeared!!!

          So when he acquires the opposing D’s full attention for the whole game and yet still makes impactful, important, meaningful plays means he just completely disappears??? All cuz he’s not coming down with 8-10 catches and over 100 yards???

          I’m so glad stats make football so simple!!!

          • Andy124

            All I’m gonna say is that I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

          • RIP illa

            Very well may be. I can see his side of his argument, but people like him throw around lazy clichés all too often with weak and lazy arguments to back them up. Like, ‘Oh…Lewis shut him down the whole game single handedly…Derp Derp Derp’! Too bad the game tape tells a slightly different, more complex story!

          • Richard Colton

            Unreal. Jackson is the best WR on this team. He’s a top 10 WR in the league. Are those facts really in dispute? He’s the best home-grown WR we’ve had on this team since Mike Quick.

          • Marilyn Monbroe

            Well since t.o

          • Richard Colton

            home-grown

          • Marilyn Monbroe

            Whoops, reading before having my coffee. Haha

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Chris Carter count? I mean we drafted him, Buddy released him and made him grow.

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah. He counts. All he did was catch touchdowns (and a mountain of coke)

          • JofreyRice

            So true. Does anyone remember the days of “WE NEED A TRUE #1 RECEIVER!!!”? Reggie Brown? Kevin Curtis? That’s pretty much the level of receiver Jeremy Maclin is. Without Jackson around to throw up 1000 yard seasons, I think Maclin would be viewed as a minor bust, taken at #19, or whatever.

            I’ve had my problems with Jackson, and don’t think the phrase “one trick pony” is totally unfair to describe his past performance under Andy Reid. But even the folks that use that phrase have to admit that going for ~1000 yards in each of his first four seasons means he’s pretty good at that one trick. At any rate, he’s not that anymore–why would we get rid of him in the prime of his career, when he’s hitting his stride and putting it all together? For a third rounder? Why? To free up some cap space that we’re not going to spend? I don’t get it. I think people are seriously taking his production for granted.

          • Bird4Life

            I do remember those days. I think DJax is a good receiver. Don’t know about a true #1 though. He only had 1000 and 1100 yard seasons before this one. There are other guys with speed in the draft. I never said give DJax up for a 3 rd pick. Eagles would jump at a 5-15 1st rd pick. But they aren’t trading him for a 3rd or for salary cap reasons.
            I think that Chip’s schemes also would get receivers open. We can pick up a speedster in the draft to stretch the field. If we trade DJax and get Evans, Mack or Barr; then take Cook or ODB with the #22, would you not be happy with that? I think having Evan/Barr/Mack which ever we get with traded pick and Cook would make the team better in the long run than having DJax back.

          • Eagles4Life

            You said it here. He’s a game changer whether he gets the ball in his hands or not. In big games, what have teams done? Bracket DJacc and put 8 in the box on Shady. Everyone else SHOULD be making plays. Hell, that’s why some people (i.e. Riley) are able to even make the plays that they do.

          • Birds4Life

            You think teams sole focus on defense is to stop DJax when we have the NFL leading rusher on the number 1 ranked rushing offense in the league? So glad you’re here to clear everything up.

            Guy will be 28 at the end of the year. How many more years do you think he will be this game breaking speedster?

            If you would read my original comment, I like DJax. His value will never be higher than it is right now. Just saying.

          • Birds4Life

            Wow! You think teams “make it there job to solely focus on DJax and leave everybody else open” when we have the NFL leading rusher. And teams say that they gear up to stop Shady and force Foles to beat us.
            Speed can be drafted and DJax’s value is never higher than it is now. Look at my original post, I like DJax. But realistically, how many more years to see DJax playing before he loses a step? Guy will be 28 before the season is over.

    • cliff henny

      part of me agrees with this…other part is, why find out? Sproles, Mac and Ertz can have 75% (or whatever) of your posted numbers, bring rookie(s) along slowly, and still have Jax. trading would be a lot easier to accept if A, Maclin had a ’13 or B, it’s ’15, we saw a form of Eagles offense in ’14 without Jax and we’re talking about moving him.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    I’m not on either side of the fence as far as being dead set on trading him. Either way, I’ll get over it. Especially if it nets us a top notch pass rushing OLB. Those are probably harder to find than a very good WR. If there is anything that I do have issue with its DeSean’s nature of being quick on making everything a public issue when voicing his displeasure. The team eventually did right by him even after he went out and tanked it on the field. I thought he was gone for sure. To me, that deserves some equal respect to at least let the playoff loss settle & then have his agent do some talking about possibly getting some more guaranteed money before making it a public concern. Consider as well that this isn’t the Reid/Banner era & that the team seems openly willing to pay their good players that put team first & don’t cause media static. So in a way, I see it that DJax has somewhat brought this upon himself.

  • Scott J

    It’s odd that the Eagles would trade away a top receiver with nobody to replace him with. I can see them drafting a wideout, and if the kid shows promise, THEN trade Jackson this year or next year. But now that Jackson knows he’s not in the Eagles plans, they pretty much have to trade him.

    This reminds me of when the Eagles let Dawkins go without a viable replacement.

    • GEAGLE

      I have the fountain of youth in my basement.,.$5 a cup. All you gullible bastards line up, have your money in hand ready to pay up…for an extra $3 I’ll introduce you to Santa or let your kids go for a unicorn ride

      • Andy124

        My daughter will love that! Where do I sign up?

        • RIP illa

          Don’t let your daughter go in Geag’s basement!
          jk

          • GEAGLE

            Right!! That’s where I keep my gimp aka Dutch locked away..no little girl should be exposed to his stupidity, it’s contagious, so I keep him quarantined away from eagles nation

          • RIP illa

            So that’s where he’s been all this time?!

          • GEAGLE

            Lol I been hunting for #7 but he is in hiding til Vick signs…I planted that news story today that Vick is close to making a decision to try and lure him out of hiding…just trying to do my part for eagles nation

          • Jerry Pomroy

            He came out of hiding & said he’s not afraid of you.

          • Richard Colton

            We’ll see him when the Jets sign Vick, draft ODB in round one, then trade a conditional 4th for DeSean.

            Now that I think about it…how do we know #7 isn’t the unnamed source?

          • GEAGLE

            Vick is visiting the Jets on Saturday…who you think started this story? Lol #TRAP!! Catch a Dutchy by the toe

          • NickS1

            He was on the other day.

          • Andy124

            Yup. Somebody said Nick was “awful” against N.O. He couldn’t up-vote that fast enough.

          • Andy124

            This deserves some kind of response. But I got nothin. lol

          • RIP illa

            Sorry man, couldn’t let it pass.

          • GEAGLE

            Sheeeeeeet I up voted ya! :)

      • NickS1

        Saaaaannttaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That fact that you’re charging $$ makes you just as greedy as DJax. :-)

        Joke…everyone. Just a joke.

        • GEAGLE

          JACK POT mofos!!!! I needs them jackpot Dolla Dolla bills Y’all!

  • myeaglescantwin

    trading him for anything less than a mid first round draft selection is laughable.

    god i hope they have a plan.

    • GEAGLE

      Heard we are getting more desperate by the day and now Howie is considering trading him to the giants for a 2026 6th round pick. E true Hollywood story. See I can be a “reporter” in this city too!!

      • cliff henny

        gotta be in tweet form, preferably a forward, then it’s a lock. unnamed sources from D-Gunn…who the F does he have inside the NovaKremlin that he has to protect?

        • Jerry Pomroy

          The equipment manager

          • cliff henny

            think my favorite part is how reporters say ‘it’s being talked about on 2nd floor’…how would they know? like Howie and Gamble are at the water cooler talking ‘ya-know, those raiders offered a 2nd for d-ja…oh, hey hi john gonzalez, didn’t see you standing there’

          • Andy124

            They’ve got the whole place bugged.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Mission Impossible: Gonzo is Ethan Hunt, D Gunn is Luther.

          • cliff henny

            i’d love to see the paper work, non-disclosure, that everyone has to sign. Howie probably has language going after 3rd generation like north Koreans if you leak something

          • G_WallyHunter

            LMAO this visualization is hilarious
            More like.. “…oh. hey john, what are you doing up here? You’re not allowed up here GET OUT OF HERE!”

          • dnabrice

            It’s gotta take more than a 2 to pry him!!!!!!

      • myeaglescantwin

        he must really be a bad seed behind the scenes.

        personally, that blow up on the sidelines last year was enough to leave a bad taste in my mouth,, especially after he admittedly quit on his team in previous years because of contract issues..

        can’t have that on a championship squad.

  • Will

    Sheil can you do a report on Kickalicious of youtube to give the Eagles fans some background on his journey to become an NFL Kicker?

    • jcwhy

      Kick, Kick, Kick-a-delphia!!!! bring in KICKALICIOUS!!! hes the TRUTH, truth…

      • G_WallyHunter

        Kick!, Kickalisciou! Kick!
        on the road to consistent 45 yd field goals
        kickoff! kickalicious! kickoff!
        On the road many touchbacks

        How’s his accuracy past 45 yds?

        • jcwhy

          INCREDIBLE… its more like how long until he breaks the NFL record… guy hits 60s with easssssse

          • G_WallyHunter

            So does he just suck with the in-game situation?
            What’s up with Lions they gave him a chance then cut him eh..
            That’s terrible should at least bring him in

          • Will

            G_Wally have you watched the Kickalicious video? Sure someone will post it I’ve got to go for now…

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya a little while ago, remember parts of it

          • jcwhy

            Akers has NFL pedigree vs someone with no ingame experience in the NFL… plus its the Lions..HA.. but why not take a look? can only help, even if he doesnt stick (which he will) itll make Henry shape up or ship out.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Henery’s all but gone, competition won’t help that sad excuse for a leg. Must be some reason no other clubs have brought him in, only one that’s odd for someone showing that much skill

          • jcwhy

            Maybe its not time to get guys off the street yet? All i know is… they gotta just bring in the 60 yard bomber…

        • Will

          in the video he kicks 7 – 50 yarders in a row nails a 60 yarder as well….puts one in a basketball hoop…I’d say pretty damm accurate…

          • Richard Colton

            You get an extra 2 points for that. I read it on Bleacher Report and D.Gunn confirmed.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Credible sources of info right there. Must follows on Twitter for any Philadelphia Eagles fan.

          • Ark87

            Keep in mind that these trick videos are about persistence. You’ll notice when he nailed the 3 or 4 FG’s in a row, he started with the long one and worked his way down. Start with the hardest, if you mess up, start over, saves time. There are many attempts that go into these.

            In the NFL it is about consistency, you get 1 try, no editing over failed attempts. He competed with David Akers in the Lion’s camp last season and lost. The video demonstrates he clearly has talent, but I suspect his biggest hurdle is demonstrating the ability to be dependable, unfortunately he has no track record for personnel evaluators to look back on. It’s an uphill battle to build that trust.

          • Will

            I certainly would not consider Alex Henry to be consistent or dependable from 40 yards and beyond….

          • Ark87

            I didn’t see a single endorsement for Henery in my post. I’m trying to say, don’t get your heart set one one guy. Bound to be plenty of FA’s and UDFA’s to check out.

          • Will

            Looking forward to who ever they bring to compete….I realize Kickalicious is a long shot to be in camp if at all….

  • Steven Dunwoody

    This is probably Jackon’s agent getting his favorite client back in the news. Philly got too excited about Sproles, so he had to put the spotlight back on his boy.

  • oreofestar

    Damn My Prof came up to me( he s a Giants fan) and he was like “You know Jackson is leaving, the Eagles suck that is why they have no rings” when my 60something year old Prof says thatt to me damn…

    • cliff henny

      hope 60 yr old prof was wiping dust off his ass next.

      • oreofestar

        Jesus he is like the 5th guy to say Desean is gone to me today, I need him to get freaking extended like TODAY!!!

        • cliff henny

          least Giants fans can take it too. and lot more original than 5 rings, Dallas crap. and you know they’re 5th generation real fans, not bandwagon or i’ll become cowboy fan because my whole family is eagles and I want to annoy them. worst reason I’ve ever heard for being cowboys fan is because the cheerleaders are hot…everyone has hot cheerleaders…GD scumbags!

    • southy

      should have told him that he’s more than old enough to know that they gave out rings for NFL championships, of which the Eagles have 3.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Hypothetical…

    DJax straight up for Aldon Smith?

    • oreofestar

      No…

      • oreofestar

        Reason being as much talent as Aldon has he is a huge off the field problem, much worse then Desean in that regard plus he is an expiring contract

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Forget contract terms, etc. I’m talking mano y mano? Player for player.

          • oreofestar

            But if we are trading a player you have to remember that Desean trade gets us 6mil in dead money and there are off the field issues with Smitha and he is an expiring contract, that stuff matters….A LOT

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Dude, stop over complicating it…lol.

            It’s a question to simply imply whether you’d prefer a stud (although small) WR or a stud OLB pass rusher.

          • oreofestar

            I want Desean, now if you said Clay or something that would be different

      • Jerry Pomroy

        How about a no firearm discharge charge against Smith?

    • cliff henny

      in or out of the drunk tank?

      • Jerry Pomroy

        No legal background BS, no contract BS. Just player vs player.

        • cliff henny

          yeah, sure, but it doesn’t work that way. only way i’m trading jax is you have to hand me top 5 pick, put a Clowney Mack Watkins or barr, evans in trade back/add pick in my hot sweaty greedy little hands, no questions asked.

    • Andy124

      I like DJ, but hell yeah.

    • GEAGLE

      Il do it for Dion..but that shouldnt surprise any of u

      • oreofestar

        I do not like Dion like you, If the Dolphins came up to me and said Dion for Jackson straight up I would say no

        • GEAGLE

          I’d sweeten the pot and promise them my first born son to get the deal done

          • oreofestar

            Lol…well my thing is Dion is essentially a rookie because we are going all based on the potential thing since he does not have production and did not do anything his rookie season

          • GEAGLE

            Good. That’s the only reason we even have a shot(for it to be even rumored) at a freak with that type of explosion who can bend his body like that

          • cliff henny

            no one wants you reproducing…..that’s not sweetening anything;)

          • G_WallyHunter

            As long as it isn’t an evil POS incest born son like King Joffry

          • GEAGLE

            Love Joeffry…love all them ruthless cunning Lanister mofos…but they don’t got no dragons, and I went to Drexel!!

          • G_WallyHunter

            Joffry’s a POS and hope he dies this season he will..
            KHALEESI FTW, she’s BOSS, best in the show by far
            Dragons gonna whoop some ass come April 6th lol

  • jabostick

    I kind of feel bad for Desean. I know he’s a diva and all that but the ‘contract’ quote got unfairly twisted at the end of last season, I thought. He probably had the same amount of ‘dust ups’ with coaches last year that Shady did. And I think he might be a victim of semantics right now where ‘would listen to offers’ turns into ‘actively shopping’ and 8 people re-reporting the same non-quote from a source becomes ‘where there’s smoke there’s fire’.

    I’m sure if someone wanted to give their next 6 1st round picks for Chip Kelly, Lurie would listen to that offer too.

    • Richard Colton

      He’s a better receiver than Harvin. But you also have to factor in reputation for willfulness and mental errors, as well as the contract. Say we deal him to the Raiders – so the cap # helps them rather than hamstrings them? He’s worth at minimum – a 2014 3rd and their 2015 1st.

      Now hopefully Bleacher Report will see this and run with it.

      • cliff henny

        sure you are a better source than D-Gunn or BR has

      • GEAGLE

        Harvin had major major major durability issues. Dude needs midol just to practice

      • G_WallyHunter

        Can see the headline now
        “Chatters amongst the league saying Eagles looking for 3rd round pick and future first rounder for Desean”

    • GEAGLE

      Every single position coach will get into arguments with players…ever see how Brady treats well respected QB coaches? Desean will be the first person ever crucified for arguing with a position coach. Bicknell would get lynched at city hall if he got Djax traded

    • JofreyRice

      I don’t know I can dismiss it out of hand. Let’s see what facts we’ve actually got:

      Kempski writes opinion piece about Desean. Can pretty much dismiss if this was all there was to it. I know people like him, but he’s kind of a hack, to me. His best skill is doing the mspaint stuff.

      Domo, a real reporter with ~20 years of experience covering the team writes that the idea of moving Desean has been discussed in the front office Ok…right off the bat, this raises the profile and becomes somewhat signficant to me. Domo doesn’t have a history of making shit up.

      Tim writes a story saying Desean’s people are “in the dark” concerning the rumors. Also cites a league source (probably agent) saying Jackson would probably be gone Alarm level 3. At best, you’re just upsetting one of your best players on offense needlessly. At worst, this could be a reality.

      Schefter says the Eagles were listening to offers in a general way, in a manner they would with any player Helluva rep for Schefter. Like cliff henny said, he’s got sources on sources. Alarm level back down to 1.

      Gunn comes out that his source tells him what kind of compensation they’re looking for specifically Alarm level 3, at least two longtime Eagles reporters now citing sources from the front office with specific info about moving on from Desean.

      This seems like more than just smoke, at this point. Too many sources reporting with too much specific info. I don’t care if they don’t address rumors, they need to reach out to Desean directly if he’s going to be a part of the team going forward.

      I dislike their offseason activity so far, but I can at least rationalize it. They want to be an offensive team, and have an offensive identity. They weren’t going to pay top dollar for defenders because that’s not the vision for the squad. They want to try out bottom of the barrel and middling guys with good athleticism and see who sticks; Ok. I think it’s stupid, but it’s consistent, at least. Trading away Jackson makes the offense worse. I can’t understand that kind of move, based on what we know of the situation. You may get a guy to replace Jackson’s productivity, eventually, or you may get a guy like AJ Jenkins, Brian Quick, or Ruben Randle. That 2012 draft was “loaded” with wideouts, too.

      • jabostick

        Fair enough. But I could also see a scenario that aligns with what Schefter said where they’d be opening to listening and, would have spitballed what would make sense for an incoming offer. That doesn’t necessarily have to have any substance behind it but could still satisfy all the merits of the report you mentioned.

        Not dismissing it but I can see how it cold have come from virtually nothing. However, if that’s the case, I agree that Desean could contact Chip or Howie and say, “do I need to be worried about anything?” or vice versa.

        Maybe Chip feels like Denver used to feel about RB’s when Shanny was coaching – that their offense can automatically inflate the talent. Otherwise, I agree that it seems like a risky move at best.

        Never a dull time to be an Eagles fan though…

        • JofreyRice

          That could be. I think the onus is on the FO to contact him. He’s under contract and a Philadelphia Eagle. The FO is the entity possibly changing that.

      • GEAGLE

        The REAL report was raiders out of the blue offered two second round picks at the combine..nothing has happened, and a month later we are waiving the white flag and desperately looking to move him for a 3rd and a 4th? So a front office who hasn’t leaked anything in years, let something major like this get leaked? And the teams who would probably consider him like KC and the panthers are being reported to having not to us about it. If we ever seriously intend on trading Desean, you Can bet we would talk to Andy Reid, or a team like the Panthers who have 6Wrs under contract who combined for a total of 5 NFL receptions in their entire careers

        • JofreyRice

          There was plenty leaking when they moved Kolb. And there was leaking that they weren’t going after any of the big name free agents, and targeting Jenkins.

          I don’t know how you distinguish what the “REAL” report was, I sure can’t. There is a lot of conflicting info and noise here. I agree some of it is media driven, but not all of it.

          The best news is that Chip has reached out and made contact with Desean telling him they aren’t actively shopping him since this has all gone down. I’d be amazed if this all came out of Kempski’s article spitballing. I wonder how much credibility he costs himself if it turns out to be the case?

        • Andy124

          Also seeing reports that we tried to trade him last year and couldn’t get a 3rd for him then.

  • southy

    Why did that article about them looking for a 3rd rd pick for DJax get taken down?

    • oreofestar

      cuz it was BS

    • GEAGLE

      Because articles have to be real

      • southy

        well they’ve turned all the rest of the DJax rumor-mill into articles. Don’t know why that one’s special.

        If they did it for integrity reasons then more power to-em, though.

        • GEAGLE

          I actually never saw the article you speak of…i heard about it plenty. But haven’t seen the article on this site..I was just talking ish cuz I can’t take it anymore..I would rather them trade Desean that deal with this for ten days lol. My head is going to explode
          ..
          Bet Chip shuts this ish down at the owners meeting when he speaks next week. He will have to be serious in that setting and he won’t be able to just talk trash to our reporters and make them look like fools, so this will all get shut down in a few days

          • southy

            I must have clicked through at just the right moment, and I flipped out in the comments (still in my disqus comment history).

            I don’t think our FO is that dumb (at least now, post-Asante trade), so not that worried about it.

          • GEAGLE

            I had a real busy second half of the workday yesterday so I was pretty out of the loop from 4pm to 7pm, so I’m not disputing that it exsisted, I just didn’t see it myself

  • tbwhite

    Trading DeSean is the precursor to the Dion Jordan deal. They need to clear some cap space because to get Jordan they need to take Mike Wallace off of Miami’s hands. So, you trade DeSean for a 3rd, then maybe move the #2 along with Curry and/or Graham and/or Bryce Brown for Dion Jordan and Wallace.

    • oreofestar

      That is ridiculous they want Jordan I am sure but they do not want him so bad that they take Wallce’s ugly contract, Dead money from Desean, lose Desean and role players just to get Dion just no…

    • Uncle Wonder

      This isnt the NBA lol, nobody does deals like that in football cuz there is no need to. Contracts arent guaranteed, just cut wht you dont want. Sure you might hv to deal w dead money but thats no one elses problem but yours.

      • dnabrice

        My exact thought…hahahaha…

  • Jeff Asay

    Only purely hypothetical way Chip could trade DJax and believe the team’s getting better is if Zach Ertz is the next Jimmy Graham, and he’s drafting two more stud tight ends to run the biggest wide receiving corps in the history of the league out on the field. I can make up fairy tales, too.

  • GEAGLE

    Iike Reese reports Desean and Chip have talked and he has been assured he will be here this season, and to not worry about the rumors…NOw STFU about it!

    THANK YOU Mr.Reese!!!

    • cliff henny

      no one believed Scheffie, think an Ike Reese report is going to slow down this runaway train?

      • GEAGLE

        Guess Les Bowan has to eat

        • cliff henny

          surprised the cameramen from daily news live haven’t taken up a collection to get him speech lessons. so he can finally stop lisping and spitting all over the place. rather get my news from Les Nesman

          • GEAGLE

            Lol honestly don’t understand how anyone pays him to cover the eagles…he hasn’t gotten a single question answered because Chip is always laughing at him, and looking at him like he has 8 heads when he asks him a question. Chip owned him all last year…his knowledge of the game is pathetic, and his journalism Isn’t so good that can compensate for his cluelessness. How is he the best man for any eagles related job?

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

            With the way Sheil & Tim have been working these days. Bowen = Old Yeller

      • GEAGLE

        I just want this excuse to not provide us with any real news to stop

        • cliff henny

          need a football detox cleanse, nothing short of 2 or 3 all-22′s for sheil and tim will get this Jax stink out of my system

          • G_WallyHunter

            and a few more WTSATE

          • GEAGLE

            Right..give me a lamicheal James at Oregon all 22 please. Watch baby Sproles to see how big Sproles will be used

          • cliff henny

            if Sproles gets as many looks from slot as Avant, he might end up 1000+ 10tds.

          • GEAGLE

            Right!! Scary to think what this looks like when you replace Avant with Sproles…it’s like getting welker.
            Add in:
            Evans/ODB/KB
            And
            The beastly Moncrief and I’ll even enjoy offense

          • cliff henny

            I want MORE! want so many weapons that 2nd unit is hanging 21 after Foles and crew put up 42 by halftime!

    • G_WallyHunter

      this is forreal eh? like derek forreal?
      Jeeze makes me want to brew up some bags right now
      Need him around next year bottom line

      • GEAGLE

        Yes..this offseason, Desean was assured by Chip he would be here and not to listen to rumors. I’m just not clear about when they talked..Reese opened his morning show today with this report

    • 76mustang

      Thank You Geags…was going to be my point, like cited in above article, DJax went to Chip to ask why he was running with 2nd and 3rd team – Chip’s door is always open, if DJax wants to know whats going on all he has to do is ask Chip…now that he has, all this speculation can go away…(right…sigh…)

      My guess is that Chip needs his players respecting and listening to his coaching staff – if DJax thinks he’s above the authority of the coaches, that behavior and attitude diminishes from the team and the goals of the organization. DJax needs to rethink his approach in communicating his input with the coaches and his teammates.

      Money is not the issue, production warrants the pay – Chip and his staff deserve the respect of the players until proven otherwise…Not heard a peep from his teammates defending DJax…

    • Ark87

      that’s all I need to know. as long as DJax and the birds are talking, everything’s fine.

      • GEAGLE

        I missed half of it so I’m not exactly sure if Chip and Desean had this convo before these rumors started or after, but if this happened a month ago, why would Reese have waited til day 15 of the trade rumors to open his show up with the report. Clearly states that this offseason, Chip assured Djax he would be here next year so he doesn’t have to worry about the rumors…happy this happened, don’t think this should need to be told to Desean 17 times

        • JofreyRice

          I don’t know, having talked to him at some point before this all started may not be enough. This is a hell of a firestorm, media-driven or not. If they only intend on moving Desean if someone pays a king’s ransom, I don’t think it’s out of line to reach out again, especially if Desean feels he’s “in the dark”. I mean, what else are they doing? Sure as hell aren’t signing any free agents of note. Would be worth a phone call to one of the best players on your team.

          • GEAGLE

            I would totally agree if the owners meeting wasn’t right around the corner. Our coach is running around from one pro day to the next, and will have to adress this seriously at next weeks owners meeting…it’s not the worst thing to let Desean sit on eggshells for a week. Let him think about it. Whether we. Trade him or not, it’s probably becoming clear to him that he won’t be able to force our hand and act a fool under Chip..could be a good wake up call

          • JofreyRice

            Think about what? What the hell did he do? I’m not sure I understand what this is about.

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    On a waaaay more positive note, congrats to a former bird are in order:

    Troy Vincent, who has spent 22 years as an NFL player and executive, has been named NFL executive vice president of football operations.— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 19, 2014

    • A Roy

      Hope he doesn’t have to tackle any problems…

    • Richard Colton

      I always liked Troy. That FA signing (think it was ’95) was a sign that the Birds were going to be players in free agency. First time I remember warming up to the idea that the new Eagles ownership was putting together a winning program.

  • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

    Quite frankly, I’m tired of this Djax story…it’s killing my Eagle’s off season vibe. Roll tape. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClXJY53rV8E

    • G_WallyHunter

      Couldn’t agree with you more, really stinking up an otherwise nice offseason..

      • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

        It’s almost like they keep feeding the fire daily with non-stories related to Desean. ESPN even discussed The Eagles off season moves like DJax was literally off the team already. 49ers & Pats interested in Desean? With what cap space. The 49ers currently have $3.7 million in cap space while the Patriots have $8.8 mill. They would have to release NT Wilfork, get G Connolly, K Gostkowski and S McCourty to renegotiate their deals in order to bring in a WR who is looking for a new deal?

        • G_WallyHunter

          yup, no smoke. We shouldn’t pay too much attention to it anymore if only the major media would take the hint..
          As long as Chip has in fact communicated with Desean, saying don’t listen to rumours blah blah blah, then we really have nothing to fuss over..

    • RIP illa

      Upvote, but you shoulda used the scene from Don’t Be A Menace!!!

      • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

        Which scene is that @ripilla:disqus ?

  • GEAGLE

    OK, now Alex Carrington has been on 3 visits and left without a deal, which means…time to lower your price Pal, and when he does, I need Howie to do swoop in and steal the show!! Come on dude, don’t need to go into the draft needing a DL. Add a young vet
    ..
    Vick will visit jets,,,shocker, I know

    • Ark87

      What’s the scoop on carrington, does he have good upside? I see he has good size. I’m real interested in finding legitimate competition/depth for Bennie at NT. Any thoughts on Raji if his price came down?

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah some think he could be one of this years steals.he was hurt last year, but really efficient interior pass rusher the year before. High pressure percentage..can two gap and rush the passer, versatile enough to play most spots on the line..26years old, best ball still ahead of hi me..hoping when his price goes down, Howie swoops in…didn’t Raji sign a one year deal with GB?

        • Ark87

          I’m of the opinion you never give a guy a contract he can’t out-play. This guy seems like a good candidate for that as his price goes down.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup, which seems to be our M.O. Instead of paying for past reputation we are looking for guys who’s best ball is ahead of them and will outperform the deal we give them..wish I could get a report and wtf him and his agent have in mind…until Ced Thorton proves he can also rush the passer, I think adding a 3rd interior pass rusher to our Nickle rotation of cox and curry is a good idea

          • Ark87

            Any idea’s for short yardage NT yet?

          • GEAGLE

            Not yet..I could regurgitate the same names we hear, but I haven’t put any work into watching the 3rd to 5th round DTs, but I will get around to it. Figur out which prospects are similar to Logan’s combine, long arms, frame, weight…then of those prospects see if any of them are known for chRecter/intelligence…think our backup NT will be more of a Bennie Logan type then the traditional Casey Hamptons???get the impression Chip hates only having a 53 man roster and as good as our run defense looked I really doubt we add a fat NT who is a complete liability if teams rev up the tempo and not let us sub him out on 3rd down..fat NT snaps are down across the league, they can’t help on ST in a major way..don’t see Chip giving one a roster spot. Where is the versatility?

          • Ark87

            good points. I think Bennie will be better at anchoring next season, myself (not that he was bad at it last season). It’s just a matter of getting someone else to give him company on that depth chart.

          • GEAGLE

            He will absolutely be better..and we damn sure can’t have square backing him up…both are so far off from that traditional Casey Hamptons type nose! that I can’t possibly believe that’s the type of NT we want…heck we didn’t even get an Undrafted space eater NT into camp…no way that’s what our multiple front defense is looking for…but we damn sure can’t let Squares backup Logan that’s for sure

          • Ark87

            yeah…NT’s can’t have what Demarco did to Square happen.

          • Jarrod

            What do you think of Hagemann in the draft? Watched his combine clip yesterday and for his size the dude can move. Don’t know that I want DL in the first round but I’d be pretty excited with that guy on our team.

            Disclaimer: I watched his clip right after I watched Nix

          • GEAGLE

            Loved him til i found out he was 24yrs old

  • GEAGLE

    Warning..unless the philly media thinks we are so dumb that they can sell us on a QB battle between Barkley and FOles this summer, prepare to hear a lot more nonsense this summer…hopefully Kelce shaves his beard, and Celek gets arrested for jaywalking and the long snapper pulls a rabbit out of his ass to keep our reporters busy so they don’t have to fabricate drama to screw with our locker room to sell stories for the 15th summer in a row. We have a good thing going on at the Novacare, I would rather have an entire summer of no news, then let the media bring BS to our teams front step when they are trying to get ready for a big season…note to eagles: we love you, we know we are on the right path, just shut media access down and tell the fans why! Just deliver on Sundays and you can shut them your all year for all I care. Imagine a world where only Tim and Sheil have access to the eagles and it’s players? It would be glorious

    • cliff henny

      cant wait for the ‘too many weapons’ storyline. always have age of O-line, they’ll find something to try a scare and already twitchy fanbase

      • GEAGLE

        Predictably bad isn’t it?

        • cliff henny

          it’s the over 50 fan base and attitude towards eagles they passed down . cant stand watching Eagles with father or Uncle. every time bring up anything positive that they cant refute they go with ‘it’s the eagles, they’ll find a way to F it up’. in 20 yrs, the fan base will be raised on Reid’s teams, they wont be as negative. us in the 35-50 range have some good some bad, but that plus 50 crowd was raised on garbage. it needs to cycle thru. ought to watch a Phillies game with me, holy smokes i’m B&M from first pitch. it’s what you are raised on

          • NickS1

            Until we find a way to not always F it up, that’s going to be the thinking.

    • Richard Colton

      This is setting them up for the “tension between Chip and DeSean” fake storyline we’ll be clicking on come OTAs.

      Just in case Ashley Fox is reading, here’s her first line: “DeSean Jackson, who was reportedly available for a 3rd round pick back in March, is feuding with 2nd year coach Chip Kelly over a perceived ‘dis.”

      • GEAGLE

        Their schtick is getting so old..same crap every summer..as if fans would get tired of reading how awesome everything is going for one damn summer

      • cliff henny

        first line of follow-up story:
        after Eagles 4-0 start, all by an average of 55-31, Jackson is creating a stir in locker room over number of touches.

        • Richard Colton

          The logic at work by some of these people is unbelievable. So the Eagles sign a 31 y/o back up running back, so NATURALLY the other shoe to drop is trading your star #1 WR.

          • cliff henny

            Cooper and Maclin should be pissed. especially Mac. he came on a prove-it. Jax will get his, Ertz ODB and Sproles will eat into those 2′s numbers

          • Richard Colton

            I think Cooper still gets his. As far as Maclin is concerned, his attitude should be – play so well the coaches have to use me.

            ODB would be amazing on this squad. Who out of Sproles/ODB would return kicks and which one returns punts?

          • NickS1

            I’d think ODB for kicks, Sproles for punts.

          • cliff henny

            beckham. need to watch tapes. punters gave up, stopped kicking it to him. KOR, seemed like every tackle was at least a grasp from behind, on his way to monster yards. ODB is beast of a returner.
            .
            you know my theory, put up 50+, then there’s enough for everyone!

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I’d think Sproles is penciled in for KR, but I’d assume ODB would win both jobs quickly.
            If they get him, may cost Smith a roster spot at WR as well. Big upgrade IMO

          • GEAGLE

            ODB over smith? Hell to the YEAH!!! I honestly view him as getting Randall Colbb. Adding him and Moncrief would be scary

          • GEAGLE

            I honestly want Moncrief as much as any WR we can get in round one….that’s why I don’t even care if they trade Desean for a 3rd..be my guest, get me a pick that lands Moncrief…I just don’t believe it’s true….Howie would never play his hand so poorly this far away from the draft..even if you are ok with a 3rd, you start off asking for a first, and it’s no where close to time to cave for a 3rd if we really wanted to trade him…so I just can’t possibly believe it’s real

          • Kev_H

            They’ll be plenty of passes. Last year, going in with Vick, you are going to lean on the running game. Vick has never had many pass attempts in a season topping out in the 400s. Over the last decade or so, Trent Green, Jon Kitna, Favre, Manning, Shaub, Brees, Brad Johnson all had between 550-700 passes and Stafford even threw 727 one year. A healthy Foles will probably chuck it at least 575 times next year.

          • GEAGLE

            Haven’t you heard? 1 + 1 = 6

      • Andy124

        Did you see the Ashley Fox spoof at IB the other day? One of her best.

        • Maggie

          I think RC wrote that spoof.

          • Andy124

            Could be RC, Rob, A_T_G, Baloophi, someone else entirely. I like not knowing.

            I’m guessing it’s not RC or Rob because it’s posted exclusively at IB. I’d think they’d share it here if it were one of them.

    • peteike

      thats why its up to the players and staff to handle their business in the locker room and keep it that way and it wont matter what they write. Thats where quality leadership comes in from the top down including players. Another reason they go for character guys like Jenkins.

    • JofreyRice

      That is truly asinine. After the season Foles had, (it’s his job to lose)^10. Barkely blows.

  • GEAGLE

    Ed Werner is saying that he talked to the teams that would be obvious trade partners like KC,Carolina!jets and all gave said they haven’t talked to eagles about Desean….if we were shopping him, KC would be the first number we dial. Fairy tale!

  • Ark87

    Proof that Chip is chasing Desean out of Philly!!!:

    • G_WallyHunter

      holy crap I laughed hard for a good 15 seconds after seeing this still laughing bahahahaha

      • Ark87

        I literally saved that onto my computer last off season, I loved it that much. One of those pic’s you know will come in handy later.

        • G_WallyHunter

          such a funny face on Chip lol.. perfect for what you said “chasing Desean out of philly” haha still laughin… good one

          Thanks for the laugh of the day
          “Hey, get over here you little $#!^”

    • Kevin

      Thank Goodness we aren’t in Miami…. That may be Chip hazing his team. Awesome photo pull Ark!

  • addicted2mula

    They are open to trade him for a 3rd rounder and “potentially more”!!! This cant be right!

    • JofreyRice

      yeah, just saw this as NFL.Com’s #1 story. Chris Wesseling reporting Ian Rappoport has an indepent source telling him Eagles are listening to offers. Then they mention Gunn’s report. Unreal. What a fucking error! Is this a Josh McDaniels moment for the Chippah?

      • G_WallyHunter

        Wesseling is one of the worst on there, and that’s saying a lot, Handzus or whatever his name is isn’t too far behind him, I try to never to go that site because there’s usually a 99% chance this site or roto has a better source..
        The People Magazine of football media

        • JofreyRice

          I understand people just want this to go away and pretend it’s not happening, but you have a lot of indepent people linking sources here. Like i said, that article is saying Rapoport’s got his own intel. If there isn’t anything to the story, they need to be speedialing DJacc and letting him know. Whether or not Wesseling’s a hack, this is the top story on the league’s website–it’s got to be addressed with the player.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Good point, didn’t think there was that much info in it with Rapsheet and all, just so biased against nfl.com

          • JofreyRice

            I’m hoping that Rapsheet’s wrong on this. Bowen basically said this whole thing started with Kempski’s dumbass blog at philly.com. Hope that’s right.

          • cliff henny

            it did. didn’t it? then Tommy L picked it up. from there I went to sbnation, which has blogs on all teams, that’s how it go out nationally. now, every day it’s a game of whisper down the line, someone new is adding a new wrinkle daily. since nothing is left to add, the writers are turning on eachother.

          • GEAGLE

            In two hours rap sheet will write that he is now hearing Chip and Desean talked and nothing will happen…
            ..
            The BS machine is just going full circle stretching this story as much as they can

          • cliff henny

            the bell curve of a rumor, max clicks at peak, hang onto back end as long as possible

          • GEAGLE

            Yup!! When will this crap stop working?

          • cliff henny

            when you are able to prove a negative.

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, Les Bowen was pretty much shitting on Kempski over at philly.com. It is pretty irresponsible to possibly affect the team you’re covering by creating a story like this, if Kempski’s scribbles were really the source of it all–and it’s why I argue against the blogification of sports reporting. Call me old-school, but I think guys like Domo, McManus and even Myths McLane are more measured in their approach.

          • cliff henny

            I have no respect for Bowen, but that 10 yrs old, haven’t listened or watched him since left town. Kempski is a freaking blogger, it’s terrible that the line between blogs and news is getting so blurred. sites like philly.com are the issue. have both feeding off of eachother.

  • Jarrod

    Kempski is reading every Desean article and gloating in his success. All the other writers are sending him gifts for helping them achieve hundreds of comments a day for writing almost nothing. Now the national guys are getting on board by writing stuff to contradict the local guys. Media is loving this. Fans are hating it (yet we still post 350 comments in 6 hours). Thank you Mr. Kempski for giving us Foles vs. Vick of the 2014 off-season.

    • GEAGLE

      Loved Kempski at bloggingthebeast,..swear I will never read another word he writes

      • jabostick

        In Kempski’s defense. it was clear that it was his own speculation. He laid out a scenario that was logical (regardless of if you agree with it) but not sourced.

        I thought it was an interesting take, even though i didn’t buy all the reasoning

        • Andy124

          Not according to Kempski:

          “The thinking that Jackson could be on his way out of Philly was never merely speculation, as reported by Philly.com on March 1st,…”~J. Kempski

          • jabostick

            Yeah his stance has become stronger since people starting blasting him for the original post. That first piece was what I was referring to, though. (Though it is totally possible that I missed some of his other early ‘communication’ on the topic via twitter or whatever)

          • Andy124

            That first piece is what Jimmy is referring to as well. He even linked it in the article I quoted. I’m inclined to trust that it’s not revisionist history on his part.

            His original piece was written as a speculative piece, and I have no problems with it. I’m just saying that he’s basically telling us that the speculative piece was inspired by a “source”.

    • Nfl All Day

      He’ll be doing ESPN blurbs on his cellphone camera by training camp. Upward mobility.

  • Republicans_Sux

    The Eagles aren’t stupid. They aren’t going to trade Jackson for a 3rd round pick. A 1st and 3rd, is worth it.

  • Robert Perri

    My guess is that Chip doesn’t realize how big a story this has become because he is travelling and is not in Philly… I would be surprised if he doesn’t handle this when he gets back in town.

    • GEAGLE

      No, he will shut this ish down at the owners meeting next week. Guarenteed

      • Nfl All Day

        True dat. I expect him to be extra chippy for that one. An entire hour with the media! He’s gonna come out the gate and address this ish one time, firm, and succinct, to avoid being asked twenty times. I’d pay to be in attendance for that one.

  • GumboGumbo

    It’s safe to say that Brandon Graham wants out of Philly. I posted a trade scenario on Twitter last night involving him and DeSean. The only person to ‘favorite’ it was Brandon himself haha

    • GumboGumbo

      Lol

      • GumboGumbo

        I was also retweeted by the Eagles themselves recently haha

        • GumboGumbo

          And a ‘favorite’ too

    • cliff henny

      Eagles get a 6th, i’ll drive up and help BG pack…take out Jax junk part

      • Nfl All Day

        It’s a shame cuz he’ll be a nice rotational rusher for somebody. He’s the kind of charecter guy who clings on. We trash these dudes so hard sometimes, we refuse to see their strengths. Graham’s another of Andy’s Lost Youth, who had a shot a being decent players, but got screwed by injuries, and the constant atmosphere of dysfunction that has crippled this defense since the passing of J.J. He needs to get out of here for both of our sakes.

    • GEAGLE

      Actually, if you know anything about BG on twitter, it’s that his thing is to retweet and give props to all the tweets that hate on him… I bet you if you write BG is the worst pick in franchise history he retweets it

      • GumboGumbo

        Ok thanks I guess

  • Brian

    It has been reported that Chip Kelly assured DeSean that he wasn’t being traded. ~ Ike Reese

    • Brian

      Backed up by Les Bowen.

    • GEAGLE

      Rotoworld is reporting Chip has called Desean and assured him Nof to worry about rumors

      • Brian

        LOL

        Les Bowen ‏@LesBowen 11s

        Sorry for the roller coaster ride, but when the Eagles won’t talk and DeSean won’t speak directly, you end up getting garbled information

        • cliff henny

          or…I made shit up just like everyone else, but my shit was to concrete so i’ll blame the eagles for not responding to my made up shit

  • RJ Sprouse

    Maybe this is why the Eagles are thinking of trading Jackson.

    In 6 playoff games Jackson has 19 catches for 321 yds and 2 TDs. That is and average of 53.5 yds per game.

    Maclin has played 2 playoff games and has 10 catches for 219 and 1 TD. Average of 109.5 per game

    Jason Avant has played 6 playoff games and has had 25 catches for 259 and 1 TD. Average of 43.2 per game.

    Riley Cooper played in just 2 but, only started 1 which was last year. 6 catches 68 yds 1 Td.

    We can throw in the Dallas game which was a playoff game and he was manned up like the Saints game he had 4 catches for 28 yards 0 TDs.

    I like DJack like the rest of you but, one of my first thoughts after we lost to NO was we need to get bigger outside. Chip said this as well in his next day presser. In the playoffs teams can run with DJack and his lack of size shows up in a big way.
    Lets look at this from a money situation as well. Jackson is getting top 5 money when he isn’t a top 5 performer, especially in big games. Jackson also wants more money. Jackson should be a slot player in this offense but, that would never happen and its a shame. His value will never be higher and the Eagles are doing their job by exploring trade options and only pulling the trigger if a deal make sense. My thought is he only gets traded during the draft if a team calls and there is a player the Eagles really want badly to make the TEAM better.

    • Shane Brown

      Only reason i could see them trading him is because they see him as the primary slot guy with mac and coop back. Withs sproles in the mix and a good amount of small speedy receivers in the draft, they might see desean as expendable. However, even that theory is messed up because desean is a proven commodity coming off of a 1300 yd season and a season in which he actually showed up sometimes in the redzone

      • RJ Sprouse

        I agree but, Desean will never play the slot. He is too thin. You need some girth to be in the slot because you’re going to get hit. If Eagles want to trade him its because of 2 reasons. Money and size.

        • Andy124

          Define “never”?

          • RJ Sprouse

            “Never” as in a full time slot player. Will he line up there from time to time of course. He is a outside x and y receiver. Once he loses his speed he will be done.

          • Andy124

            That’s what I was getting at. Cool beans.

          • Nfl All Day

            I dont think Desean, in particular, is defined by the conventional XYZ roles we’re accustomed to in Chips system. But yes, he is living off his speed.

        • Shane Brown

          Wes welker, danny amendola, julian edelman, darren sproles. All small guys that play the slot. There are two kinds of slot players: small quick guys that can avoid hits and pick up good YAC, and bigger possession guys with reliable hands that arent afraid to take hits. Jimmy graham, jason avant, etc.

          • RJ Sprouse

            All of those guys you named can’t play outside. They are all built to play the slot. Desean is fast he is not quick. His route running is lazy at best and to play the slot route running is everything.

      • Maggie

        Only reason to trade him is because he his at his maximum value now. After this year or next his speed will probably decline, then he will have less value to any other team, thus become less tradeable.

    • Maggie

      Agree. The FO and HC are always looking to make the TEAM better. Been saying it for a while now.

  • Shane Brown

    This story is about to start a beat writer brawl. Mcmannus and kempski vs gunn and ike reese

  • GEAGLE

    Roto is now repotting chip has called desean

    • cliff henny

      final step of a true rumor, the writers are now turning other direction. are they using Ike’s piece? one with no timetable?

      • RJ Sprouse

        I couldn’t have said it better myself!

        • cliff henny

          time to distance and toss other writers under the bus…Les Bowen got out ahead early, smart, he’d be first guy i’d go after.

      • GEAGLE

        Not sure, I just read the initial tweets,,I ain’t worried about this enough to click and go read the article….given this BS way more time then deserved…now the writers will all flip the switch, write how it’s not true for 4 days and have something to write til the owners meeting starts

      • Shane Brown
    • G_WallyHunter

      lol funny how that turns out eh

    • reb

      We can hope. But half an hour ago I walked past a monitor in the office building and saw that they were saying the Pats and 49ers both had expressed interested/asked about DJax. Believable or not, the rumors still strong out there, unfortunately.

  • Uncle Wonder

    Cowboys scooped Melton…i wonder what he will be able to gv this season…

    • GEAGLE

      Nothing..he will be Triple teamed every play because they will have to rely on rookie pass rushers

  • GEAGLE

    Geez Merrill hodges just destroyed Manziel and Louis Riddick backed him up…I can’t wait to find out who drafts him and if football gods love me that team will open it’s season in Philly

    • cliff henny

      think Token is secretly Hodge…he hates everything and anything remotely ever slightly linked to Philly.

  • oreofestar

    I feel better I had to really think about it, The Desean rumors are ridiculous I was worried before but now I realize that the Desean rumours are stupid and there are just too many things wrong with it

  • jon h

    Interesting take on Boomer and Carton (NY-WFAN) this morning where they looked at the two teams rumored to be interested in DeSean (NE and SF) and said they don’t currently have the cap room to support DeSean’s existing contract. They were saying the Jets would be a better option given the 12 draft picks in their possession.

  • DirtySanchez

    Jets sign Vick and then trade for DJ. DJ doesn’t like anything about Foles – loved Vick no matter how good a year he had with him. Vick loves DJ and thinks of him as the little bro he never had. Jets need flash and offense and aren’t afraid of attitude.

    • Kev_H

      I just checked Marcus Foles’ Twitter account to see if he has any comments on how Marcus Vick feels about DeSean being the little bro Mike Vick never had.

  • Kev_H

    Here’s my question for the bloggers (SK and TM), do you have an All-22 analysis or game review analysis of how Jackson fared in the screen game last year? Did he leave yards on the field? After the Sproles acquisition, I read a lot about how Sproles’ lower rushing and return numbers/averages indicate that he isn’t the player he once was. Applying that same metric to Jackson, he clearly isn’t the player he once was. He hasn’t been a factor in the running or return game since 2010. The significant drop off in his production in those areas might be an indication that he has lost his burst.

    I know from reading this blog that Kelly loves having that bubble screen option, did Jackson’s performance on bubble screens (and such) also indicate a diminishing burst/escapability that we have clearly seen in his return/running game? If so, it could indicate that Jackson’s days as a productive star are numbered. Maybe they think they can draft a guy who is more like Jackson used to be, a threat to break away every time he touched the ball in any situation.

    Unless you are talking about the Phillies and Ruben Amaro, it’s the fan boys and the writers who are always the last ones envisioning a player as he used to be and not as he is and the player Jackson is today is a guy who is much easier to catch and tackle than the one he was from 2008-2010.

    • KobraKai7474

      You may be right, but the fact remains that Jackson is the only deep threat the Eagles have right now and he is the guy who is typically matched up with the opponent’s best CB (with occasional safety help). THAT is what makes guys like Riley Cooper and Jeremy Maclin effective weapons. If we give up Jackson now, teams can match their best CB (and regular double teams) on Maclin and/or Cooper who will fare much worse than they did going up against opponent’s 2 and 3 CBs in single coverage. Drafting a good rookie WR this year to replace Jackson down the road would be nice, but you are more likely to win the lottery than to have a rookie WR to walk on the field next September and immediately scare opponents enough to merit double teams.

  • thefadd

    how about this theory? Kelly covets one of the QBs and really likes one of the WRs in this draft. the only way to pull both is to cash in the chips you’ve got. it’s no endictment of DJax

    • Kev_H

      Plus you can’t expect DJax to have more than another year or two at a high level. If you keep #10 and forego a promising rookie, you are giving up 4-5 years of potential production. If you forego Jackson in favor of a promising rookie, you are out a year or two of high level production.

      • KobraKai7474

        The problem is 2014. Rookie WRs very, very rarely step in immediately as true No. 1 WRs. Maclin and Cooper are nice players who can put up nice numbers, but they’ve both had all of their production while DeSean was there to take up the opponent’s best CB (and, quite often, a safety, too). Without Jackson and without a monster rookie who can terrify teams from day 1 (and guys like that show up once per decade), Maclin (coming off knee surgery) or Cooper (not particularly fast) will now be matched up against opponent’s best CBs (and likely with regular safety help, too). Suddenly, the Eagles offense in 2014 is a LOT less threatening down the field so more teams can stick 8 in the box and make Shady’s life miserable. Before you know it, a team with the potential to win a playoff game or three based on a killer offense instead takes a step backwards.

        • Kev_H

          Here is something to ponder. Jackson played his last game in 2012 on 11-26, for the next four games: Nick Foles passed for 1157 yds, 4 TDs and 2 INTs (4628/16/8), Maclin caught 24 for 331 yds and 2 TDs (96/1324/8), Avant caught 22 for 326 and 0 TDs (88/1304/0) and Cooper caught 10 for 106 yards and 2 TDs (40/424/8). The numbers in parentheses are those totals over a 16 game season.

          Recall those weeks were largely without McCoy or a functional tight end yet the passing game was putting up yards and the team was scoring 22 points per game, which probably would have been higher if two of those games weren’t fumble/turnover fest, which Jackson’s presence wouldn’t have effected.

          Looking at 2014 then, a more experienced Nick Foles running a Chip Kelly offense with a stronger line, Zach Ertz, LeSean McCoy, Darren Sproles and a talented rookie (presumably replacing Jackson if he were to be let go) to go along with Cooper and Maclin and I’m not seeing any problems or worrying about their ability to score points. Jackson’s a real good wide receiver, but his impact is somewhat overrated.

    • Maggie

      Conjecture on an OLB too?

  • Mike

    Maybe Eagles plan to trade up and draft Sammy Watkins or Evans.