What They’re Saying About the Eagles

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Here’s a roundup of what the national media are saying about the Eagles.

Kevin Seifert of ESPN.com weighs in on the DeSean Jackson situation:

Like Harvin, Jackson has a high-maintenance personality — one that is hardly unique among NFL receivers but nevertheless requires extra care in handling. He has a habit of commenting publicly on his contract, something most teams disdain. You have to put in some work to have a smooth relationship with a Percy Harvin or a DeSean Jackson. That’s the sometimes distasteful reality of managing superstars.




The Eagles must determine whether the compensation received in a trade, combined with losing both the contract and eliminating a potential distraction, outweighs the risk of parting ways with a player as talented as Jackson. Last spring, the Vikings determined that it was, happily accepting three draft picks from the Seattle Seahawks for Harvin.

Adam Schefter of ESPN offers his thoughts on whether the trade speculation is real:

"They're not looking to deal DeSean Jackson, but they certainly would be open if the right offer came along.

"They're not looking to deal him, but if a team came along with an attractive offer, I'm sure Philadelphia - based on conversations with other league executives - would be willing to at least listen."

Don Banks of SI.com has the Eagles taking Ohio State CB Bradley Roby in his latest mock draft:

The Eagles have a bunch of good choices at No. 22, but they're all geared toward upgrading the product on defense. Roby or Virginia Tech's Kyle Fuller would add a quality cornerback prospect, and that's where I'm leaning after Philly stocked up at safety in free agency, adding Malcolm Jenkins and Chris Maragos and re-signing Nate Allen. But a defensive end like Missouri's Kony Ealy or defensive tackles Ra'Shede Hageman and Louis Nix make plenty of sense as well.

Charles Davis of NFL.com has the Eagles going with Alabama inside linebacker C.J. Mosley:

An all-purpose LB who provides speed and thump needed in the NFC East.

Rob Rang of CBSSports.com also has the Eagles taking Mosley:

The Eagles took a significant step in improving upon their 30th-ranked pass defense by landing former New Orleans Saints' safety Malcolm Jenkins but reinforcements are needed. Every team in the league is looking defenders with Mosley's degree of toughness, versatility and leadership.

Dan Kadar of SB Nation thinks the Eagles add Michigan State CB Darqueze Dennard:

Although the Eagles signed Nolan Carroll in free agency, that move shouldn't stop them from taking a cornerback in the first round. Dennard is a physical press corner, capable of manning up against bigger receivers.

Dane Brugler of CBSSports.com has them going with Roby:

Chip Kelly, who watched Roby in person at Ohio State's pro day last week, wants to get faster and tougher on defense and the former Buckeyes' cornerback will help accomplish that with his natural speed and aggressive mentality.

Will Brinson of CBSSports.com likes Minnesota DL Ra'shede Hageman at No. 22:

Lot of different directions the Eagles could go, but how about we let them load up on a big body in the middle? Hageman's a massive man who can plug some space and be versatile enough to fit what Chip Kelly wants to do on defense.

John Harris of The Sideline View lists Roby, Dennard and TCU CB Jason Verrett as options for the Eagles at No. 22:

Not sure I love a first round safety option at this point in the draft, but the CB that COULD be on the board are quite intriguing. Any of the three would more than likely start from day one. If it’s not secondary in round one, two and/or three, then it’ll be the other side of the argument - pass rusher.

SI.com's Doug Farrar has the Eagles going with Missouri DE/OLB Kony Ealy:

Philly relied on Trent Cole and Connor Barwin for its pass rush in 2013, but defensive coordinator Bill Davis could use a physically imposing player who works well in Davis’ preferred hybrid fronts. The 6-4, 273-pound Ealy disappears at times, but he has enough quickness and overall awareness to get better, and he’s also built up a nice résumé as a deflector of passes at the line.

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  • TripSquadMonopoly

    Please don’t draft a corner round 1

    • cliff henny

      they wont, national guys are watching watch Eagles are doing. see no big names, think, hey, they need a big time player. be shocked if it’s not wr or olb

      • GEAGLE

        Don’t see who these OLBs are that will be worth the 22pick..might as well let Chip get his WR out of the way and leave the defense rounds 2,3,5. Evans, KB, Oddell,Brandin draft whoever the hell You offensive geeks :) want!!

        • Javi Echie

          Couldn’t agree more. No way would I take Dee Ford, Kony Ealy, Attauchu at #22. I’d love for chip to add a player like Benjamin, Odell Beckham, or even Brandin Cooks. Now I would take any of those three pass rushers if they fell to the second round.

          • Richard Colton

            Attaouchu probably will. Dee Ford and Kony are both top 40 picks. You want one, it’s at #22. I would take Dee there, not as sold on Kony.

          • Javi Echie

            I hear ya brother. I’d rather try and grab Attaouchu in the second if we can, he’s had experience standing up pass rushing, dropping into coverage, and with his hand in the dirt so not much transition there. I just get nervous about going from de or olb.

          • Richard Colton

            I was 50/50 on Dee Ford until the Senior Bowl. He’s good enough right now to provide at least the threat of dropping back into coverage. That’s what you want from our ROLB – something that Graham really doesn’t give us. Better at rushing the passer than Cole is at this point too. I’d be fine with Dee Ford at #22. If they go with a more talented player there, fine. Because, like you said, a guy like Marcus Smith or ATAT might be there in round #2.

          • JofreyRice

            yep. Ford’s good man. Best OLB outside of Barr and Mack, for me. Great postseason performance, fine senior season, productive, performed well in all the athletic drills. The only thing would be his height, and the fact that he’s not as “versatile” as they seem to like; he’s going to make his bones of rushing the passer. That’s what he’s good at. That being said, I would not have any issue with him at 22.

          • Javi Echie

            I am a Dee Ford fan but another thing working against him as that he only lined up across from every teams right tackle so even tho he played in the SEC he didn’t line up with the teams best tackle. I’m just nit picking here cause I want us to get s stud soo bad.

          • JofreyRice

            I wouldn’t be as concerned with the L/R thing, because I’ve seen them move him around quite a bit–RE, LE, 2 point stance, 3 point stance. They definitely had him on that right edge to contain Manzeil against T A&M, and against Clemson for Boyd.

            My concern would be his adjustment to the snap count in the NFL. It seems like part of the reason why he’s so quick off the ball is because he’s awesome at judging that. I think there will be some adjustment (and offsides penalties) as he transitions.

        • cliff henny

          you’re cracking…you are cracking!

          • GEAGLE

            I want Marcus smith…unless Yous are ok withs taking him at 22, then have your fun and WR away…just leave the 53rd pick for Marcus/KVN/Deone

          • cliff henny

            i’ll leave you this post from JofreyRice. he get’s it.

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            If ODB & Evans and are gone at #1, I’d look to trade back into the mid 2nd, and acquire a few extra picks. With the two 2nds, add Troy Niklas from Notre Dame, and Donte Moncrief. Offense would be totally irrational. You’d be able to find a personnel grouping that every team in the league couldn’t beat. I don’t care if Kam Chancellor is a beast, if Niklas is bearing down on him at 6’6, 270, he’ll blow him off the ball. If teams want to get large with the Eagles, go 4 wide with Jackson, Maclin, Moncrief and Cooper.

            Add a developmental G/swing T like ND State’s Billy Turner in the third, along with some OLB they like–doesn’t really matter, anyway. A good RB in the 4th, and take some shots on versatile athletes for defense on rounds 5-7 and hope you step in shit.

          • GEAGLE

            Unless we talking Barr/Evans, trade back should be the number 1 scenario even with ODBs and cooks on the board, because if you were about to take a WR at 22, there will still be a damn good one available in the top 10 of round two which is the furthest we would ever trade back so we may as well get more picks if we are going to ignoring the defense with our first pick..if it ain’t Barr or Evans, I would automatically take the best trade back option if any exsist

          • oreofestar

            It really depends though, Do they like Pryor/Dennard/ODB a lot and would take them at 22 and do you get a good enough pick to trade down

          • GEAGLE

            I’ll take ANY pick in the top 100 and if you have a good GM we should get a stud.
            ..and if there is some crazy run on WR and they will all get snatched up quick, then I’ll overdraft Moncreif in round 2, everyone will laugh at us and talk crap, and end up looking like fools 3years later

          • Richard Colton

            A 1st to 3rd round pick should net you (at least) a starter. Otherwise, you screwed up.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup…ATleast a starter

          • oreofestar

            If we can get the Niner’s 30 their first 3 and their first 7 for the 22 that would be good

          • GEAGLE

            Sold!!

          • cliff henny

            was speaking more of the attitude of post than players…though like players and strategy

          • JofreyRice

            And I agree with GEAGLE below, for the most part, but I really like ODB. He’d be the best returner on the team instantly, and might have the best hands in the draft. ODB is a guy I’d spend #22 on. There are other awesome receivers available. Guys like Robert Herron, timed at legit 4.3, and is a better route-runner than most of the other receivers in the class–just has a little bit of the dropsies you have to coach out.

            I figure I might as well hope for dominance on one side of the ball, if they’re going to neglect the other. Just invest in some coldpacks for Foles’ arm and some extra smoothies for Shady.

          • oreofestar

            Nah I give up, we are not drafting safety first unless Dix falls and OLB will only happn if Barr or Mack were there which they will not be so I think Chip wll get his WR and then we can to have fun in the middle rounds going crazy on D

          • cliff henny

            feel like the Emperor trying to turn Luke to the dark side….Good, Good Gooood

          • oreofestar

            In my dream world we are going crazy defensive draft but I know that will not happen so I am going to except that an offensive player will be taken with one of the first 2 picks

  • cliff henny

    Thank You Adam Schefter, the voice or reason. much ta-do about nothing. this guy has sources on top of sources.

    • OldDocRoss

      In fairness, the article from whence this all started said exactly what Schefter did. Per Kempski:

      “The Eagles are not going to shop Jackson…..However if another team came calling the Eagles certainly wouldn’t hang up and laugh.”

      However little truth there is to it I’m just disappointed they haven’t picked up the phone to tell Desean how much they love the little guy. He’s clearly someone that needs a little TLC sometimes so it’s not like it should be a surprise to anyone that these rumours have upset him. And from McManus’s article yesterday, there’s no question he ain’t thrilled.

      Give him a call, give him a hug, whatever, just get it sorted so we can all go back to arguing with unreasonable certainty about draft projections or how important it is to have a kicker who can dropkick a football into a moving boat. Y’know, the stuff that matters.

      • cliff henny

        fair enough, but doubt the crew in D-Jax’s ear is following JK, who’s funny, but not exactly breaking news. when Scheffie starts breaking in on a topic, that’s pretty much heard by everyone.

      • knighn

        Correct me if I’m wrong…
        Doesn’t the current CBA limit how much Coaches / Front Offices can talk to their players during the off-season (outside of negotiations)?
        Perhaps the Eagles want to tell DeSean Jackson how much they appreciate him but would prefer not to do that through the media? Heck… I might be way off base here. Someone straighten me out if I’m wrong.

        • OldDocRoss

          They’re free to negotiate a contract with him so there’s certainly nothing to stop a “Howie ::hearts:: Desean” text being sent without anything being done through the media.

          Even if the CBA completely banned all contact with your own players they could totally talk to his agent, so if they wanted word of their undying love for Desean to reach his ears they would make it happen.

      • Richard Colton

        if only such a kicker existed

        • OldDocRoss

          I know. We can dream but realistically there’s norway we’ll find such a fellow.

          • Richard Colton

            I’d rather push a Henery than drive a Fjord

          • OldDocRoss

            Damnit, I have been out-punned!

            I’ll get you next time, Colton….

          • Richard Colton

            You know Will is going to post the video again. I give 30 minutes max.

          • UKEagle99

            There’s a video?

          • jcwhy

            kick , kick, kick-a-delphia

          • Chris

            If it ever happens, t-shirts will be made. birds 24/7 limited edition.

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          • Johnny Domino

            Once there was such a guy, a real character type ……..

          • dollamakeuholla

            I forgot about that movie! It’s so bad but it was actually a pretty good speech by ol Tony

          • Will

            Love Ya Man I can’t get a descent Safety duo so now I want Kick a del phia….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDwbjHV8jLo

      • Tom W

        what is there to hug about? he is under contract and getting 10 mil a year … there are just unsupported rumors eagles don’t comment about ….. they would be on the phone everyday talking to players if each player got upset about what he saw somewhere on the internet about him potentially being cut, traded, or passed on the depth chart

        • OldDocRoss

          Firstly, no, they wouldn’t. Over the last few weeks there have been persistent rumours about precisely one Eagles’ starter being traded. His name is Desean Jackson.

          Secondly, you don’t need great insight to realise that Desean is a sensitive soul and you sometimes need to give him a bit of extra care and attention. Many guys on the roster would just laugh off rumours like these but Desean is most certainly not one of those guys.

          It’s why you wouldn’t want to have 53 guys with a psyche like Desean, but (to my mind at least) you can afford to have one or two as long as they’ve got the talent to justify the extra effort you need to put in to keep them happy.

          • Tom W

            Actually there has been rumors about us trading brandon graham and/or vinny curry all off season and to a lesser extent bryce brown. I don’t see those guys crying (not that djax was at all either and still hasn’t until we stroked the flames of speculation more and contacted his buddy which I find hilarious.)
            Sensitive soul? diva? Chip doesn’t give a shit about that stuff. eagles haven’t done anything but brought back coop and maclin … not like we drafted a wr in round one or signed eric decker on top of those signings. those guys were already here and djax has a contract and said two days after season he was happy w his contract and words were taken out of context. again non issue. No reason to call djax.
            and Schefter’s tweet clears it all up anyway bc he actually has sources … beyond that its just media types citing the same kempski article w no sources and mere speculation. and chip’s comment at the maxwell club didn’t add any fuel .. it was his smartass self … should’ve been taken as chip saying the media is dumb and knows nothing and we don’t waste our time on media speculation.

          • OldDocRoss

            Actually there has been rumors about us trading brandon graham and/or vinny curry all off season and to a lesser extent bryce brown.

            Hence why I said one Eagles’ starter.

          • Tom W

            meaningless difference.

          • OldDocRoss

            Le sigh.

            Look, no, it’s not. There’s no need to put trade rumours to bed for every rotational player on the roster because that’s just par for the course for those guys. When you’ve got persistent rumours about one of your most valuable players – especially one who’s shown himself to be a little sensitive – that’s worth a phone call to the player in my opinion. YMMV.

            And Jesus dude, you honestly think Desean was just sitting there minding his own business not caring a damn about all of this until we phoned “his buddy”? You’re welcome to think what you want about the substance of the original rumour here, but that’s verging on the ludicrous.

            Also, don’t stroke flames.

          • paul from nc

            We are trying to get rid of Graham and Curry because they don’t fit the scheme. Jackson is a different story. He fit’s the wide open Offense we run and opens it up even more for others.
            Starter vs back up is no a meaningless difference. It’s a crucial difference

          • Burberry Manning

            Desean is a lot tougher than you’re giving him credit for. The same rumors that stated he was being traded are the same ones that said hes upset. When I see his pics on instagram he looks happy to me. Chip will not entertain or play these silly games with the nagadelphia media.

      • Tom w

        McManus article also said he is being shopped though so it contradicts Schefter

  • Andy

    We need more picks before this draft.

  • JofreyRice

    Great, let’s pick a guy that projects to 4-3 end and nickel passrusher and has a knack for disappearing at times with pick #22. Perfect fit.

    Seems like these guys really think our corners suck. I don’t see a point in investing in an off-coverage corner at #22. It’s just not as hard to find those guys later in the draft, and I don’t think Davis is going to need to invest in a bigger guy that can press, turn and run. Much rather have a guy that could be another elite offensive producer than some guy that can tackle a receiver after giving him an 8 yard cushion.

    • GEAGLE

      No worries, unless Justin Gilbert were to free fall, we ain’t taking a corner, and we probably would have to trade up to get Mosely..no way the first LB drafted doesn’t come off the board til 22.
      ..
      Love Shede, hate his age
      ..
      Gamble was on the staff that drafted Missouris Aldon Smith, if he sees enough similarities in Ealy, I won’t complain, I’m just not expecting it to happen. As of today, Dallas couldn’t pass him up even if they wanted to. Who the hell will rush the passer for them? So I don’t view any of these six “expert” opinions as very Expert..

    • cliff henny

      I agree….more offense is the solution! bandwagon is filling up fellows. Hurry up, get your seats!

      • Richard Colton

        “…many believed that the Eagles were unwise to draft three Wide Receivers with their first three picks in the 2014 draft, what with the ‘Iggles’ faithful screaming for defense…that was, however, before their unprecedented four year championship run…”

        • cliff henny

          the never before 7 WR line-up revolutionized the NFL

  • Vet Linc

    They’d trade Shady too if they got the right offer.

    Non-story.

    • oreofestar

      Thank you people are saying well they will at least listen well you never just hang up the phone when someone asks about a trade, if a team were willing to give up 4 1st round picks for Mccoy then we would do it, there is always an offer sweet enough.

      • A Roy

        Seattle gave up a 1st, 3rd (following year) and 7th for Harvin.

        • oreofestar

          Harvin was little different though, and they had space the teams with lower picks for the most part do not have the space for a Desean contract

          • A Roy

            I wasn’t saying we should do it, or that anyone else wants him. Just for comparison purposes if it comes to pass. (Pun intended.)

  • Leegles

    It’s clear from all the draft predictions that the Eagles will draft an offensive lineman with their first pick.

    • Chip Henderson

      Andy Reid isn’t here anymore.

      • Leegles

        True, but the media’s inabilty to guess first-round picks remains.

        • Richard Colton

          Yeah, these mocks are pretty sketchy. Don Banks 8.0 has always been (for my $$$) the mock of record. Best one by far. He’ll get 16 out of 32 right. And have 90& of his top 40 guys go top 40. Peter King’s big claim to fame was mocking Danny Watkins in ’11. Still haven’t forgiven him.

          • cliff henny

            to pick 1 thing to be right about, DW was it. how many years in a row did he pick Eagles for Super Bowl? felt like 10 or 12

          • A Roy

            Not his fault Andy was in SB rut.

          • borntosuffer

            Danny Watkins. Ouch.

      • Vet Linc

        Praise Jesus.

      • ICDogg

        I wouldn’t rule out an O-lineman though. It’s not like our line is all youngsters.

        • Chip Henderson

          I don’t necessarily disagree, but I feel OL can last longer in the league. I may be wrong, but it just seems that way.

          • ICDogg

            Wouldn’t be my preferred direction. Then again I almost always like big D tackles. This year it’s Nix.

      • Richard Colton

        Hit a double with Andrews, struck out with Watkins. That’s two first round offensive linemen in 13 years. Ray Rhodes drafted more O-line guys than Andy in 1/3 of the time.

        • Chip Henderson

          I wasn’t referring to that as in Andy always took OL, but more in the light of Andy trying to be sneaky and pretend he was smarter than everyone else, ie. drafting Brandon Graham over Earl Thomas or taking Jarrett in the 2nd round when he was a 3rd round pick at best

          • Richard Colton

            Andy’s Eagles drafted really well ’99-’04 then the bottom dropped out. The ’11 draft alone was enough to justify regime change.

  • Chip Henderson

    I would be completely good with drafting Mosley to groomed.

    • ceedubya9

      Me too. It seems to me that a player to be groomed is about all they will get in that range. Can’t be upset with a MLB of the future. Although, you never know who might fall..

      • GEAGLE

        Lions,titans, Giants,Steeler,ravens,jets,packers..can he last till 22? Seems like the replacement for Larry Foote to me, if the giants let him get past them

        • Richard Colton

          spitballing

          Lions: Mike Evans
          Titans: Barr
          Giants: Lewan
          Ravens: Ebron
          Jets: ODB
          Packers: HaHa

          • GEAGLE

            Sure..thousand possibilities..I just don’t think we will ever see a case of the first LB, first CB, first S drafted not coming off the board til 22…before 22 someone will want the top ILB prospect in the draft, over the 3rd WR or 4th LT prospect

          • oreofestar

            My thing is even if a guy like Gilbert starts falling you have those pesky Niners and their 11 picks

          • Richard Colton

            Totally agree. Dennard/Gilbert/Haha could each go top 13 and I wouldn’t be shocked.

          • GEAGLE

            Absolutely..”a chance at a top two player at a position” will look sexy when it appears on your draft board when you are considering the 4th LT

          • GEAGLE

            Who are the steelers taking who just lost Larry Foote?

          • Richard Colton

            Ummmm. Good question. How about Cooks? – an Emmanuel Sanders+ guy

          • GEAGLE

            Who the hell knows..they have issues OL,WR,S,NT,ILB,OLB depth wasting away what’s left of the Big Ben era

  • Northeaster

    I would be very disappointed if the Eagles took a CB.

  • GEAGLE

    Carolina has 6 WRs on it’s roster. They have a combined total of 5 NFL receptions in their career. Lol

    • cliff henny

      Marvin McNutt as your #1…how can this happen? everyone should be fired, from GM to ballboy

      • GEAGLE

        Some times you feel like a McNutt, sometimes you dont

      • James Hathaway

        In comes Reggie Brown as their clear-cut #1. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2655803

        He bought a TV From me back in like, 07 or something. I tried to force him into buying an accidental protection plan on the remote for his system, because it covered “repeated drops”. I went on to razz him for a while. Good guy, Reggie Brown, for not putting me in my place.

        • cliff henny

          McNabb must be looking at Eagles WRs now, and cursing out Reid.

          • GEAGLE

            F him..worms wouldn’t have been any safer…where were the animal activists during that murders era? Dudes like the hitler of worms

          • A Roy

            He threw a great deep ball. Just couldn’t hit a back on a swing pass.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah his deep balls were sick

          • Uncle Wonder

            He wasnt that inaccurate…compare his completion % and rating # to jim kelly, elway, and marino…doesnt look too bad at all.

          • GEAGLE

            Big game ability man…no excuse to lose in big games as the favorite so many damn times. We had some sick teams who were petty damn healthy, all the continuity you would need to be successful…where is my parade?

          • Uncle Wonder

            As well he should…the one year we had a legit #1, he had his best season…just imagine what we could have done during those years w a weak NFCE.

    • knighn

      Wow. Guess they’re really going to go run-heavy this year?

      • GEAGLE

        They just announced cam has to have surgery on his ankle with a 4month rehab…guess it don’t matter right now, til they have someone to throw to them in 5 months, but GM has a lot of ground to cover by then

        • oreofestar

          At least we know we are better than them now just gotta deal with those pesky NFC westerners

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I don’t worry about them at all. I believe we have the best OL, if they can’t handle any front 7, then we don’t deserve to win….we can shut down their run game, and their secondary is nothing special..and our secondary can handle McNutt and a few rookie WRs…we would have beat them in the playoffs last year

        • cliff henny

          I like mobile QBs, but it is nice having Foles. anything short of an amputation and i’ll barely raise an eyebrow

          • GEAGLE

            Stay away from his head and throwing arm and I’ll live

  • Justin

    “They’re not looking to deal him, but if a team came along with an
    attractive offer, I’m sure Philadelphia – based on conversations with
    other league executives – would be willing to at least listen.”

    Didn’t we hear this, word for word, LAST offseason?

    • GEAGLE

      Media really EATING off this non story. Every day. Every single “reporter” mentions it, yet they haven’t gotten a single new piece of evidence, and we continue to bite like assholes..when we stop commenting on this crap. Maybe it goes away…

  • Tom W

    I think we go Barr at 22 if he falls and otherwise we going to trade back. ODB and cooks and Benjamin are possible as well. I think the draft could fall as I listed below and we get Barr or trade down.

    qb) teddy, johnny, bortles all gone (3)
    rb) none
    wr) watkins, evans, cooks or lee (3)
    te) ebron (1)
    ot) lewan, robinson, matthews, martin (4)
    g) none
    c) none
    dt) donald, FSU dtackle (2)
    de) ealy (1)
    olb) clowney, mack (2)
    ilb) Mosely (1)
    s) pryor haha (2)
    cb) gilbert, dennard (2)

    Wow these guys have no ideas what the eagles are going to do … I can
    tell you for a fact they aren’t drafting any corner under 6 ft w short
    arms … which they all have except Gilbert.

    And we aren’t drafting sheed at 22 … he is going on 24 I believe and had motor issues.

    I think there is injury concerns w Mosley floating around and historically with bama players in general too.

    • Richard Colton

      Solid list. Think the OL/QB/WR # could each be one higher. Gives your scenario even more flexibility

      • Tom W

        If he gets past titans pick at 11, barr could easily fall bc lack of 3-4 teams or needs all the way to us … need to hold breath when Jets, Cards, Pack pick but they all have at least 3 greater needs then edge rusher.

        • Richard Colton

          Exactly. Just don’t see him getting past the Cards pick – and that’s without factoring in trades. He’s too good.

          • Tom W

            damn forgot about others trying to trade up to get him in front of us.

            If there is hope, norris from rotoworld and scouts inc. have him outside top 20 now …..

      • A Roy

        Someone in there will probably take a flyer on Manziel. Would’ve been a lock if Al Davis was still alive.

  • TripSquadMonopoly

    DRC is still considered a significant signing…Cant believe the Giants paid him like that and for 5 years too after he was talking about retiring. How are GMs that stupid wow

    • TripSquadMonopoly

      I would so much rather have a rookie corner than this kid no heart. 39mil wow

      • GEAGLE

        e..it’s a 1yr 10mil dollar deal. Not an accident that it’s his 3rd team in 3years

        • oreofestar

          $14mil guaranteed with a 10mil signing bonus is not a 1 year deal

          • GEAGLE

            They can get out of it after year one

          • oreofestar

            Not really, they are stuck with him for 2 years pretty much because 14 is guaranteed and 16 is due i the first years and because of the bonus and that guaranteed it would make no sense to get rid of him year one even if he is playing mediocre,

          • GEAGLE

            ESPN literally just said it’s a suped up one year deal…didn’t look at terms for myself yet so you know better then me

          • oreofestar

            I mean then if the cut him after 1 year there would be so much dead money you might as well have kept him because dead money will be close to whatever his salary is

        • Adam G

          Definitely at least 2 year. They were dumb enough to have 10 mil of the guarantee to be signing bonus.

    • anon

      Giants have easily the best secondary in the no-defense NFC East.

      • oreofestar

        That is not saying much as much as we complain about pass rush you could make a case we have the best front seven in the East hell you could make a case we a have the best D in the East

        • GEAGLE

          We absolutely have the best defense in the east…it’s not even in qbstion

          • oreofestar

            You could argue the Giants but our O is far superior to theirs so it does not even matter

          • OldDocRoss

            Wow, steady now. Have you seen that Dallas front seven these days? Sure, they lost Ware and Hatcher and stuff but Terrell McClain has racked up nearly 30 tackles in only FOUR seasons!!!

          • cliff henny

            have Crawford and Bass, 2sure fire all-pros coming off IR too

  • oreofestar

    My new mock draft not a dream draft and I think it is somewhat realistic

    1. Odell Beckham Jr.
    2.Marcus Smith
    3.Christian Jones
    4. Dion Bailey
    5. Dontae Johnson
    7.Colt Lyerla

    • cliff henny

      you have DJ as safety or CB? cause think he’s safety, and doubt they take 2.

      • oreofestar

        I have him as a corner, if you view him as a safety then replace Bailey with Desir

        • cliff henny

          ok, done. yeah, needs more WRs, move Colt to UDFA and slide in L’Damien Washington out of Mizzou.

          • oreofestar

            I do not think Washington makes it to the 7th

          • cliff henny

            just got popped for weed, I believe.

          • oreofestar

            OH….. NVM then

    • Tom W

      Yep. looks good. here is one w some variance depending what we do the earlier rounds (dont think we go olb-olb or wr-wr in first 2 rounds).
      1) Barr or ODB
      2) OLB (Marcus Smith or Atta-Boy or Trent Murphy) or (Jordan Matthews, Donte Moncrief, Devonate Adams)
      3) ilb Christian Jones or wr Martavius Bryant
      4) ilb L Barrow or Landry wr or c/s McGill or c/s Oregon kid
      5) Dontae Johnson or lsu guard or g halapio from florida or dt mccullers
      7) Colt Lyerla, DAT, Dri Archer, Wyoming qb, dt Kerr or dt from Arkansas

      • cliff henny

        all I see is
        1-ODB
        2-Matthews
        3-Bryant
        4-Landry
        think it’s a great draft!

        • oreofestar

          I think the draft is gonna be
          1. Pryor
          2.KVN
          3.Christian Jones
          4.Desir

          • cliff henny

            please…Kelly’s not going defense 1-4. he’d be sicker than heroine addict on 12th hr of detox

          • A Roy

            Trading down. Taking a WR first. Then D.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, i’d be onboard with moving down getting another 3rd. doubt with Kelly there’s that much of a difference between all those WRs. he made Cooper decent for heavens sakes.

          • oreofestar

            Yeah 4 wrs though… :P sound like Chip to me

          • cliff henny

            i’d probably put a TE like Niklas in 2nd instead of Mathews

          • oreofestar

            I know I am in the minority but I really do not want a TE early, Brent is more then capable as a backup and I would rather take a flier on a late guy to eventually take Brent’s job then use a premium pick at the position

          • cliff henny

            was kidding. but I would only draft 1 wr now that sproles is in Philly for 2 yrs. in 4th, look at fied-something out of iowa and 5th Lynch or Gilmore. same theory on Ryans and Cole for Celek, get replacements this yr for next, reduced roles and coached up rookie season.

          • oreofestar

            I would use a higher pick for a Cole/Ryans replacement because we technically already have Celek’s replacement we just need a rookie for cheaper labor than Celek

          • Nfl All Day

            You really think TE rd2? Id be shocked and a bit disappointed if we took one that early. 4th rd or beyond ok, but I think I need defense 2 outta 3 to set it off. I love ODB, but would prefer another big to go with Coop. Brandon Coleman, Davante(each 3rds imo) or Allen Robinson in the 2nd……..I read thar Lyerla had a pro day at Portland State last week, but saw no reports about his performance??? One thought about him….with his issues, you have to wonder how the Birds would feel about bringing him into the locker room with out the likes of Vick and Avant there to mentor the kid a bit. Are we as well equipped to handle those types without those 2???

          • cliff henny

            I kidding, see posts below.

    • Richard Colton

      Like it from top to bottom. Good job Oreo.

    • Nfl All Day

      ODB could be Desean 2.0 with a stronger work ethic.

  • Nfl All Day

    Dennard is an awesome player who’d be tough to pass up. Aside from him, I pray we dont draft a corner with 22. I think the thing that screws us up, as fans, is our desire to get players who make us as good as we can be right now, vs. Kelly’s vision of getting scheme fits who make the team as close to his vision/blueprint.

    From a talent/depth standpoint, CB is arguably the 2nd best equipped position on the team after RB. We definitely have greater needs at strong safety, and across the board at LB & DL. But Fletch is already in his final yr, and Williams is due $8.16M in 2015. This factor might swing the “need” argument that direction. Add to that Boykin & Carroll’s deals also expire after the 2015 season.

    Im basically done with this offseason. I had high hopes for a true impact player on defense, but short of some yet to be named rookie stepping up, that’s not happening. We’ll play this year out and see if we can build on ’13, but I dont see where we’re built to contend for the big prize this year at all. Now 2015, that’s a whole nother ball game. We have the ability to create a LOT of cap room if we choose to.

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      I vote we ban the phrase “a whole nother” and replace it with “a whole other”

      • Nfl All Day

        I vote we don’t quibble over grammar in a chatroom.

        • A Roy

          Depends. Is his grammer a GILF?

        • EaglesFanInPhx

          I veto this vote.

          • Nfl All Day

            Bouta get Vito Corleone’d

    • GEAGLE

      carry will get restructured/extended…no way he isn’t on the team and we go with a first year CB in a Sb year. Yr 3 in the playoffs I expect to be a contender..they will want carry here for 2015, and replace him in 16 full time

      • Nfl All Day

        I can buy that. Provided he doesn’t cop an attitude and push for big money. You know the amount of guys we’ll need to extend at that time.

        • GEAGLE

          I actually think Chip likes him and appreciates his nutty side..Chip has that Jim Johnson (best DC we ever had) mean nasty streak, only Chip hides it with a smile…I think he liked the Dog in cary

          • Nfl All Day

            I like it to. Biggest thing that killed me about ’12 was the lack of heart. After “Sconce-gate”, I loved everything he did last training camp. Fight at Pats practice and squaring up Coop. He did his best to set a tone, even if he had to force it a bit…. Said it a dozen times, but he and Fletch played fantastic ball after the Minnesota game. Hope it carries over.

    • oreofestar

      I really like Dennard but we have bigger needs then corner and I do not think he makes it there anyway, and there is not another corner I am taking in the first round

      • EaglesFanInPhx

        I like Gilbert over Dennard

        • GEAGLE

          Over and under for Gilbert is the 9th pick

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            I’d be highly shocked if he made it to 22. Just saying that he is another corner I’d take in the first round.

          • Nfl All Day

            Depends how bad the QBs slide. If any 2 of them start to really fall, a guy like Gilbert benefits.

        • oreofestar

          I do as well but he is not realistic, there is realistic chance Dennard is at 22

        • Nfl All Day

          Dennard is a lunch pail guy. Gilbert’s definitely a better athlete, but Dennard will knock out a few mouthpieces.

    • GEAGLE

      Sorry, but this impact FA ain’t walking thru that door. You ain’t getting a stud til he is drafted and developed…of course every draft pick will be expected to be a hall of fame his rookie year or suck, but that’s why FO doesn’t pay attention to fans

  • GEAGLE

    Why is kris kluwe all over my TV? I don’t care about this out spoken punter.

  • hrtak

    Alle in 4 CJ Mosley

  • Mr. Wu

    Charles Davis was right last year about LJ way back in March….I didn’t think it was going to happen…..just saying

  • Jyolteon

    DGunn saying Eagles are entertaining trade offers for DeSean, want at least a 3rd round pick.

    http://www.csnphilly.com/eagles/source-eagles-listening-offers-desean-jackson

    • oreofestar

      At least a 3rd lol if a team came up to me with a 3rd for Desean offer I would make sure to take a flight there and slap them in the face for even trying to pass off an offer like that

      • mksp

        big talk.

        what are you going to do if thats all we get?

        desean being a whiny bitch making $10mil per year hurts his trade value, just the way it is.

        • oreofestar

          No I was saying if I was Howie I fly there and slap the guy in the face, was not talking about me :P and there would be zero reason to lose your pro bowl wr for a 3rd and they would never do it

        • anon

          you try to replace his production with a 3rd rd pick. not trading just to trade.

      • Nfl All Day

        A third is a straight up slap in face. If that’s all they get I’d be sick. If they want him gone that bad tho they may jump at that deal. It still saves them $16M over the next 3yrs, a gets them a good enough pick to get a player on top of their board.

        • aub32

          But a player as productive as DJax? A 3rd round pick may not even make the team in 3 years or just be a role player. We are talking about a 1000 yard WR in his prime.

          • oreofestar

            THANK YOU! Jeez Desean is not fricking TO he is liked by many of his teammates there is no reason to get rid of him for anything less than a Percy Harvin deal

          • aub32

            He’s worth more than Harvin. Check the numbers. Harbinger has never had a 1000 yard season. Hell, he only topped 900 once. DJax averages over 1000 yards a season.

          • oreofestar

            Oh the Harvin deal is my freaking floor for trade negotiations…not a 3rd which is ridiculous

          • Nfl All Day

            Say the same for Maclin. I think some folks think he could replace Desean. He can’t do the same things. It’d be a grave mistake to count on Maclin to do the things he does.

          • Nfl All Day

            I wouldnt trade him period. But if it’s gonna happen, I hope they get good value. No, I wouldnt consider a 3rd good value.

      • Stephen Stempo

        Agreed. Getting only a 3rd for Jackson would be ridiculously underselling him. In fact. If Desean were being shopped and the Eagles only wanted a 3rd I wouldn’t even be thinking about it if I was another team’s GM. That is an easy, easy trigger to pull.

        This is why I don’t buy that report. The Eagles should EASILY be able to get a 3rd round pick for Jackson if that is in fact all their looking for.

  • EaglesFanInPhx

    Just saw the 49ers and Pats called about Desean.

    • oreofestar

      How would either afford him?

      • EaglesFanInPhx

        if they wouldn’t need to pay a 1st round pick that would help some.

        • oreofestar

          A first alone does not do it for me when the first is essentially a second in that range…but I do not even want to talk about Desean rumours anymore

      • Nfl All Day

        They’d only owe him around $8.5m, not the $12.7 we do. So that helps

  • oreofestar

    The Desean rumours are really getting annoying

  • tbwhite

    I know there are some Kyle Van Noy fans here, so enjoy:

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2014/futures-byu-olb-kyle-van-noy

  • oreofestar

    Let me just say this, if Desean gets traded you can forget about super bowl contention

    • RIP illa

      LMAO. The funy thing about the whole report is that they tried trading him last year for a 2 and then dropped it for a 3. Now he comes off a great year and they start at a 3!!! If they go for that I’m gonna die laughing and hope that they get what they deserve. That would just be plain stupid.

      • oreofestar

        if we trade Desean my favorite player I will cry, if we trade him for a 3 I might jump…

  • whiskeybill

    What happened to the article saying they were shopping DeSean for a third rounder?

    • aub32

      I know. It just disappeared. Bad sources?

      • RIP illa

        Was it posted here? Cuz that would be the 2nd time today an article was claimed to be seen but then disappeared. Anyway, it’s still up on bleacher report.

      • Nfl All Day

        Good hopefully the idea does too.

      • whiskeybill

        I sure hope so, If we trade him I’ll be furious. If all we get in return is a third round pick I’ll probably go to jail for what my reaction will be.

        • EaglesFanInPhx

          IF we trade him, only way I’d be ok with it is for a first round pick or a 2nd + good upgrade somewhere else.

          • oreofestar

            That does not cut it for ME Desean is a freaking top 10 wr in his prime you wanna give Coop a big extension when he owes have that money to DJAX for making him a decent wr and then get rid of Desean so you can go back to booty Riley too and get worse across the board then get a 2nd or 3rd as compensation that is beyond ridiculous

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            from solely a production standpoint, you are right. However, there is more to consider than solely production. Attitude, finances, leadership, and intangibles are all pieces of the puzzle too.

          • oreofestar

            Attitude – Lets not act like he is TO he is not some horrible person where everyone in the locker room gates him, Finances- he is not really overpaid at all put his contract next to some other pro bowl wrs or even Mike Wallace’s contract and you understand money is not a big deal, Leadership – not everyone is a leader, Avant was a leader that did not get him a roster spot did it?

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            You don’t know that he isn’t a locker room cancer either. All you know is what you have seen, which he does show reasons for concern (publicly not as bad as TO but privately who knows). He is not overpaid for his numbers, but is still paid a lot. Leadership (and maturity) is a big deal, and while it doesn’t trump talent, it does certainly play a part in overall player fit. I’m not saying I want to see him traded either, I think all of your points are completely valid. I am just saying IF he is traded, just realize that what you are mentioning is not the full picture.

          • RIP illa

            He was talking in comparison to Coop…Riley “I’ll fight every N-word in here” Cooper!!! That’s ok for the FO but not DJax.

            He must have been doing some really grimey dirt behind the seens to be entertaining 3rd rd offers.

          • RIP illa

            If you’re not getting close to what Harvin was worth or better, then it’s a real dumber than dumb move.

  • Eagledelphia

    Perfect tweet by Sheil @SheilKapadia: Four WRs caught 80+ balls and avg. at least 16.0 YPR in 2013: Calvin Johnson, Gordon, Jeffery and DeSean. Not as replaceable as some think.

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      Only one of them was catching passes from Nickfolean Dynamite though!

      • phillylove21

        Okay??

      • Eagledelphia

        Hopefully one of them will be next season too

  • oreofestar

    Damn I really wish I knew why people think pro bowl wrs with playmaking ability like DJAX grow on trees

    • Eagledelphia

      They are falling into the whole “its a strong draft ” way of thinking and believe just because a prospect is rated high they are a sure thing but for every AJ Green there are two Troy Williamsons

  • aub32

    If it’s true that we are trading DJax for a 3rd then I am truly disgusted. What the hell could he have possibly done off the field to warrant this treatment. I mean Riley Cooper’s incident should’ve been seen as much worse than DeSean saying he wants a little extra money. Why did we pay DeSean after his 2011 season only to jettison him after his best season.

    • Eagles4Life

      It would be IDIOTIC. Damage is done now, tho. Should’ve nipped this in the bud from the beginning, and now they’re just toying with the situation. We don’t want a Super Bowl.

      • oreofestar

        Desean was the reason our offense was good he requires attention which made Shady better with less in the box, it made Riley better because they were focusing on Desean it made Nick better because he had a pro bowler to throw too, If you think Jeremy Maclin and Cooper are going to be scaring defenses without Desean think again!

        • Eagles4Life

          Exactly. Even as a decoy! I’m shocked it’s even gotten to this point.

        • peteike

          I dont disagree, but if this happens I guess its in Chip we trust eh. Better be more than just a 3rd though

    • oreofestar

      RIDICULOUS Riley did worse you gave him a big deal and he owes half that money to Desean I mean Desean is not TO Jeez he is a pro bowl wr and to be honest hi contract is not even THAT BAD when you look at what Wallace, and Johnson and Fitz are making

    • RIP illa

      Derrick Gunn’s report said they tried shopping him in 12 for a 2 but dropped their offer to a 3 when no one took the bait. So this has been an on going thing.

      So DJax can’t win. Be bought in and put up and they’re still looking to move him…hilarious!!!

      • OldDocRoss

        Wasn’t it Gunn that also basically said word was out on Desean and that teams in general had a pretty low opinion of him?

        I dunno man, if we’re talking a 3rd I have to think there’s something pretty serious behind the scenes that we don’t know about, because based on what we *do* know a 3rd for Desean is just pitiful. Hopefully it winds up being BS.

        • RIP illa

          Yeah I said below, that he must have done some real grimey stuff that we don’t know about. I don’t even care if if does turn out to be BS, at this point. I really think the damage has already been done. This isn’t the first time Howie and the Organization have F’d over DJax!!! I said yesterday that they botched this whole thing, regardless of the outcome. And if continues.

          • OldDocRoss

            Yep, if this is just about DeSean being “a bit of a diva” or whatever this is ridiculous because, as I said below, teams can afford to carry a guy or two like that even if they have to make an extra effort now and again to keep him happy.

            I don’t think the Eagles have any real history of trading top tier talent for minimal compensation unless there’s a helluva good reason*, but there’s no way anything in the public domain justifies trading him for a 3rd.

            *Actually, now that I think about it trading Asante for a tin of beans and a couple of Subway meal deal vouchers or whatever was lame, but that’s maybe just me.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah, they were offered a 2nd, a year before trading Asante, by Detroit…Similar scenario, they were not actively shopping him either. Ended up getting a 7th!!! That’s on Roseman for that BS!

      • dollamakeuholla

        He must be the biggest ass in the locker room! This is all Chip kelly! If you remember Howie and Andy were all about extending Jackson when Banner didn’t want to. Chip must really believe the good doesn’t out weigh the bad and his offense will be fine. I knew something was up when Maclin said he turned down 5 year deal

      • paul from nc

        who would ever put any credence into what Derrick Gunn has to say?

  • 609to336 Eagles

    I’m so disgusted with the Desean rumors…a 3rd round pick????? Why???

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      yay for rumors!

  • Javi Echie

    People relax with all the nonsense. They are NOT actively shopping him they are just listening to offers as any team would do with 90% of there roster. The 3rd round thing is the only ridiculous part about this article. At the least a 2nd and 4th rounder sounds about right if they even plan on trading him. I think this is all a smokescreen to be honest but you never know with the eagles. If they do indeed trade him hopefully we get a stud pass rusher in the deal.

    • dollamakeuholla

      No he definitely will be traded now….. his ego is bruised. However,
      It won’t be probably until the draft!

  • ryyndynyyls

    I think at this point we as Birds fans have to be asking a lot of questions. Are we trying to win games or are we trying to take wildly counter-productive STATEMENTS about:

    1. Players manners and attitudes
    2. Free Agency overspending
    3. Cap management
    4. Press ethics and the validity of addressing your fans

    I’m sorry, man, but I sat back and hoped there was something smart and stable brewing behind the scenes. At this point, ever since the ink dried on the contract extentions of Cooper, Peters, Maclin and Kelce ALL I have seen is bullheaded posturing that seems more aimed at correcting the etiquette of how things are done in the NFL than addressing this team’s need to WIN GAMES. We don’t spend in FA to prove a point about fiscal judiciousness, we refuse to address the press or give clear answers in order to make a point that the press is meddling and maybe overwrought, we hold out on fixing obvious holes in our D in order to make a point about patience and cap rollover, and NOW we put our best receiver, a player who stretches the field and makes every other piece of this offense run fluidly, on the trading block because when he was ASKED about how much money he deserves he said ‘Maybe I deserve more, we’ll just have to see what they have to say.” To all of you mutineers out there who are saying anything at all regarding drafting to replace Desean, I offer this: go look back over a list of every single first round WR in the past 5 years. Aside from Julio Jones and A.J. Green, every single one has been a bust based on the value a team expended to get them. And guess what?!?!? Desean Jackson makes more sense in this offense than either of them. A first round pick means NOTHING in the face of a proven multi-Pro Bowl receiver. NOTHING. This is disgusting, pathetic, morally baseless, damaging and reckless. I’m already trying to decide which other organization to root for next year. I am fuming.

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      I completely disagree with everything you say. NFL is a business, and building a winning franchise takes discipline, attitude, AND talent. To ignore two of those 3, we would turn into the Cowboys. No thank you. Maybe you should root for them, they embody everything you are talking about.

      • Eagles4Life

        You made absolutely no arguments against what he just said. Great rhetoric.

        • RIP illa

          Literally just Lol’d! Up Vote!!!

      • ryyndynyyls

        Yeah. We essentially said the same thing. I just said it by connecting complete thoughts into a string of sentences that made a point…

    • RIP illa

      Haha. We’ll see what they do but I have to say, I completely agree. And not just on the DJax thing. Well put man!

    • Eagles4Life

      Well said!

    • dollamakeuholla

      He is not getting traded just because he wants a new contract! Obviously there is a lot more behind the scenes that we don’t know about coupled with the 10 million he is going to make where chip kelly doesn’t think he is worth it! also you win longest post of the year! Congrats

      • aub32

        So what if he’s making 10M?!! That’s what’s #1 WRs make. Show me a guy out producing DeSean that makes less, who isn’t on a rookie deal.

        • dollamakeuholla

          10 million PLUS the headaches is the problem! He had to have Avant as a go between to talk to his position coach! Don’t get me wrong i love Jackson. He was gonna be my Keeper this year in fantasy! LOL I couldn’t wait to see him in Chips Offense! But guess what! They wouldn’t give him away for a 3rd if he wasn’t a major Problem making them most money on offense! all we see is 80 and 1300! Which i can’t see him doing in any other offense except maybe New England

          • aub32

            Put him with Luck, Brady, Brees, Wilson, manning, rothlesburger, Rivers or Eli and I guarantee he can do the same. The guy isn’t just some run of the mill speedster. He didn’t have just one good season.

      • Richard Colton

        not even close to the longest post of the year. We’ve got at least three of the unibomber’s cousins posting here. Wait until after the draft. That’s “manifesto week” at 24/7.

        • RIP illa

          I’ve been holding off on going as I usually do just for that occasion. It will be glorious!!!

      • RIP illa

        Longest Post of the year…you must be new here!

        • dollamakeuholla

          Not new! LOL was it this year?

      • James Skip Carl

        Not even close

    • peteike

      all these replies that this is “well said” Sorry man you lost me with some nonsense rant about how a FO is supposed to behave and the sentence about rooting for another team is not in any Philly fans blood. Esp not over one player.

      • dollamakeuholla

        well said

    • Lewwyn

      Wow, I completely disagree with everything you said. I’m actually really pleased with the Eagles this offseason.

  • Tom W

    Percy Harvin went for a late first rounder and a seventh, and a 4th the following year.

    They are similar players (harvin is a tad younger) and both have had lingering injury problems and me-first attitude (harvin actually demanded a trade more than once — not desean).

    If we are starting at a third rounder (or a third and a fourth lets say) for djax after his career year, while we have him under contract for a few more yrs, and w a 6 million dead money hit we take if traded, that is one of the WORST trade hauls ever for a very good young wr.

    I need at least a first (and even then I don’t think I want to do it).

    Dunno who dgunn talked to but sounds like he had a lot of info. we aren’t shopping but we are listening.

    • aub32

      What lingering injury issues does desean have? He had his ribs broken in 2012. That’s not lingering. What are you talking about?

      • Tom W

        2 concussions

        • aub32

          His last concussion was in 2010. It’s 2014. How is that lingering?

          • Tom W

            2 in a year … I think you realize that these things can accumulate and the next one will be more severe. But your point is a fair one.

            If anything you are helping my point that djax is worth alot more than a third rounder (and another later pick) in comparison to what vikes got for harvin.

          • aub32

            Of course he’s worth more than Harvin. Look at the numbers. Harbinger isn’t even close. I got on you because you, like others didn’t fact check about his injury history. His last concussion was almost 4 years ago and came from an illegal hit that would get a player suspended today. He stays very healthy compared to any player. So injury risk should not even enter the picture.

          • Tom W

            He has missed games for several reasons … concussions, ribs, etc .. about 10 games over 6 years …

            and the last injuries were in 2012. he isn’t unbreakable. I didnt say anything untrue about his injuries. I said they had similar injury histories … i didnt say they were injury prone.

            harvin had headaches … djaz had concussion … both are over them it seems … harvin had foot problems … djax had ribs … harvin appears healthy know from superbowl. djaz as well. djax has played more recently. and has had a much better qb the last three years in harvin’s defense.

          • oreofestar

            10 games over 6 years, Harvin missed more then that this year alone

          • aub32

            Julio jones just missed more than that.

          • oreofestar

            That is not even 2 games a season like come on most NFL players miss way more than that

          • aub32

            He’s fishing so hard to make his point. I think it’s so funny when guys can’t just admit he was wrong.

          • aub32

            10 games in six years is a big deal? Julio jones just missed more than that and he’s in year 3. You are being ridiculous. Yes DJax got hurt in 2012, but he still averages over 1000 per season. Try looking at what your boy Harvin averages. You can’t deny his consistent production.

          • Tom w

            If all you care about is yardage then yes djax the deep ball threat is going to beat harvin and w ypc. But catches and catch rate and tds harvin is more consistent and has played three less yrs. and to say a comparison of Mcnabb/Vick/foles vs Christian ponder is an excuse is a bit ridiculous

          • oreofestar

            Harvin has played like 2 1/2 games in his career lol he might as well be Desean’s age with all the injuries and he does not have the production that Desean has

      • RIP illa

        Not to mention that DJax is the better WR by a lot, but hey who cares…right???

        • Tom W

          I think that is very very debatable looking at the numbers and what Harvin does when healthy … he literally carried for the vikes wr game for two yrs .. and caught like 8 balls a game for 100 yds every game before he got hurt … he has always produced … always when he played

          But again is also helps strenghten my point that we should be getting a whole lot more than a third and another late pick for djax.

          • oreofestar

            Harvin is an injury waiting to happen

          • Tom W

            A point I made as well, but talent wise he can do alot of different things … trust me harvin is uber talented …they both are but harvin runs better routes and is a different type of wr

          • aub32

            Really? Because I don’t recall Harvin ever running enough routes to produce a 1000 yard season.

          • peteike

            ya they are different, and its impossible to compare based on his injury history.

          • aub32

            Numbers? Please look at the numbers. I have seen them. Jargon isn’t even close when it comes to actual production.

          • Tom W

            djax has more yards and ypc, harvin more catches and better catch rate … harvin more consistent tds …

            and harvin is three years younger so if you are looking at career totals of course it won’t work.

          • aub32

            Take any 3 years and match them up. The production isn’t close. This isn’t rocket science. Quit making excuses. Just admit you’re wrong. Harvin doesn’t come close to Djax in terms of actual production.

          • Tom w

            Disagree. Djax has had three more yrs as well to put up better number in a better offense w better qbs. Also harvin is more consistent game to game bc he catches more balls. Also harvin rushes the ball more and is very productive that way. They are different pkayers. One is more underneath and catches and the other is a dee ball yardage guy. And harvin is younger. U can keep crying but you are just helping me prove my original point that djax value should be close to harvins. I said they were similar to eliminate anyone from saying harvin is better pkayer and deserved more in a trade

          • oreofestar

            I think saying Harvin is better than DJAX is BS but whatever ets say they are equals, Harvin got the Vikings a 1 a 3 and a 7 and then you try and shop for a 3rd I refuse to believe it

    • oreofestar

      Desean is better then Harvin

    • Adam G

      This is his value. Just shows you what people in the NFL think about him and his contract/persona. Turns out every team is wrong yet a few philly fans are right. You do see the disconnect, right? His value is just not very high with his image and contract.

      • Tom W

        And I am responding that a very similar wr w similar injury problems (and probably worse problems) and slightly younger fetched a first, seventh and fourth the following year from a very very smart organixation like the seahawks.

        And his value was a third rounder LAST YEAR BEFORE THE DRAFT. go back and listen to dgunn’s statement. If the eagles would take a third this year, based on what djax just did in 2013 (83, 1300, 9tds and steams) then they are nutz. I refuse to believe that is value after he put up a top 5 wr year OR that the eagles would settle for a third and fourth.

        His contract isn’t bad … and could easily be reworked …hell jackson wants it reworked to give him some guaranteed.

      • aub32

        So Percy harvin had a much better image? Have you paid any attention to football in the last 3 years? I know you have. So c’mon guy. That’s a crazy statement you made.

        • Adam G

          Percy just as much as a headache, but definitely less of a perceived thug. Notice I said perceived. He was 3 years younger than Desean is now, and a RFA. Market was obviously much different last year which can be seen from the contracts FA WRs got last year compared to this year. This is his market. Most likely a 2nd rounder. His contract is a little high, which really hurts his value. If he was making 3 mil less a year, I think they could get a first rounder, but that’s not the case.

          • Tom W

            younger is a very fair point. 2 years age difference.

            it was a seller’s market last year, buyer’s market this year ..especially w the 12 studs wrs in the draft.

            Hence another reason they shouldn’t be trying to trade him this offseason … wait till next year … shows no sign of slowing down.

          • Adam G

            Percy was 24 last year, vs 27 this year for Desean. I think they are trying this year because they want a real culture change and his value, whatever that is, is higher now than it will be next year.

          • oreofestar

            yeah his value is gonna drop from a 3rd to a 4th….smh

          • Adam G

            Or no value at all and they would have to cut him.

          • oreofestar

            really….so Desean is going to become so bad in the next year that he will be cutworthy?

          • Adam G

            At that salary he is cutworthy, yeah. Especially if the Eagles have no desire to keep him as they have shown.

      • RIP illa

        Yet Harvin’s was??? Come on man. So unless something horrid happened that we don’t know about, I’ll side with the Philly few. At least we have logic on our side!!!

        • Adam G

          Yeah it was really high. IDK if you remember but before Harvin got hurt he was discussed as an MVP of that Vikings team.

          • Tom W

            yea bc they had no one else literally except ap. the offense sucked.

          • Adam G

            He was lights out during that season. But that’s neither here nor there, this is the current market for Desean. You can’t manufactur more interest even though it looks like they are trying.

          • Tom W

            Then i would wait till next year …. no reason to force it this year for less value (but it is a very deep draft).

            I would laugh if they only offered a third and hang up. he is worth more to you than any third rounder in this draft for the next two yrs at least. and next yr should be seen as a legit superbowl run yr.

            even if we took a christian jones or martavius bryant in the third round (best case scenario) both of those guys are very raw and will take atleast two yrs to be impact players.

  • All Things Bad@ss

    Crazy hypothetical … Djax for Aldon straight up?

    • oreofestar

      NO….you wanna talk about off the field issues then Aldon is worse

      • Nfl All Day

        True

    • Nfl All Day

      Deal.

  • anon

    CSN Philly reports the Eagles are “listening to offers” for DeSean
    Jackson, and have “taken inquiries” from the 49ers and Patriots.

    I dont want to see what happens when we play 49ers if we trade djax. Also people should never complain about players taking the $$, etc.

    I expect that eagles would take offers for anyone — think djax is only one anyone is interested in.

    • oreofestar

      I swear…We better not trade DJAX this year and I say this year because we currently have no one on the roster to replace his production, as much as we are talking about our offense do you want to take a step back?!?!?!

  • Goombachiphi

    what’s the point of building this locker room full of leaders if they can’t handle one ego? especially one attached to all of that talent. The man is a walking highlight real, even with kevin kolb throwing the ball! things must be beyond awful behind the scenes for a trade to make any sense.

  • oreofestar

    Desean has to be linked to some freakin murder cases and having sex with Howie Roseman’s wife for me to trade him for a 3rd he would have to be doing some seriously bad stuff

    • paul from nc

      that’s the best reason I’ve seen so far. Beats the hell out of Kempski’s rumors that he probably started.

  • Hank

    Yes, Derrick Gunn on CSN.com has report that Eagles did notify Jackson about trade possibility, and that both San Fran and New England have called Eagles about DeSean trade.

  • oreofestar

    Nick Foles need to go to Chip Kelly right now and tell them they need to stop this madness and that if they want him to freaking succeed they better not let his favorite target go!!!

    • Token

      Jackson sulked multiple times in the direction of Foles this season. I doubt Foles would give a damn.

      • Eagles4Life

        He will when Riley’s ass can’t get off a jam and Maclin is going across the middle with alligator arms lol.

        • oreofestar

          We will see just how good Foles is without Desean, he is not Brady he does not make wrs better Desean makes other wrs better

          • Token

            Well thats been a argument for Jackson over the last 4 or 5 years. That he makes the entire offense good with just his presence. I guess we will finally see the answer to that.

          • oreofestar

            We have an answer to that did you see our offense without a healthy Desean in 2012

          • peteike

            anything with Vick was doomed inconsistent from the get go

          • oreofestar

            That did not stop Desean from posting big numbers with Vick this year

          • peteike

            throughout a whole season, you know, like being consistent for more than a few games

        • Commander

          Except it’s Desean that cant get off jams and struggles in bump and run coverage. Desean runs motions really fast though….

          • RIP illa

            Apparently you have not seen Riley play!

      • Nfl All Day

        Come on cuz. You think any qb gets bent b/c a wr whines about wanting the ball? Especially his best wr? I doubt it

  • Token

    I think Jackson is gone. Usually when stories not only dont go away, but keep heating up like this something is going on.

    Now a report said a 3rd rounder is what they would take? Wow, Chip must really not like the guy if thats the case.

    For the past 4 years or so Ive believed Jackson is not as good of a WR as every believes he is. I realize next to nobody agrees with me. And after last years overall numbers its a harder argument to make. But he did fall off at the end. He did disappear in some of the tougher games this season, which has been a theme for years.

    If Chip would trade him he must believe that others can do what he did last year. And to take a 3rd rounder he must really just want the personality off the team.

    When it happens I expect a uproar. But you guys cant all say you trust in whatever Chip does and then go nuts when Jackson is traded IMO. I will say that id really hope we could get at least a 2nd.

    • Richard Colton

      We will never get back for Jackson the value he brings to this team. Let’s say you’re right; that the 10million # makes him an albatross and he won’t be on the team past next year. I’d rather have DeSean for one year than trade him for a 3rd round pick.

    • RIP illa

      Like the saints game when Lewis shut him down??? Only to find out that that wasn’t true at all??? I don’t trust Chip and I don’t trust Howie, they proven very little!!! So if they do trade him and it is for this low of a value, and we don’t find any super damning reports after he leaves…then they better hope their next move or contingency plan pays off…big F’n time!!! This Team has a horrible track record of losing really good and really special players, and not finding suitable and/or better replacements!!!

      • Token

        Whenever Jackson is shut out of a game its always make believe. Ive just never gone for that argument. He is what he is. He can break a game open. But theres gonna be a bunch of games where hes completely shut down. Hes not this impossible to defend guy. I could see their point if they keep him or trade him. I really dont think it matters all that much. The offense will go on. Id just hope for a better return then a 3rd.

        • RIP illa

          What WR is a impossible guy to defend??? Don’t be so short sighted!!! Calvin Johnson was shutdown for 3 quartersby Nnamdi…F’n Nnamdi!!! It’s a Bullshit argument!

        • Eagles4Life

          The offense will go on…go on to sputter.

    • Commander

      I feel the EXACT same way you do. He is in-effective in the WR screen game, struggles against bump and run coverage, and gets tackled with a mild breeze. IMO Chip found the best way to use him was to motion him back and forth. Add that with the me first attitude, spouting off on the sidelines and the diva antics, and taking plays off……. I think he is gone.

      • Eagles4Life

        LOL then explain how he has done ANYTHING in the league thus far? And you clearly aren’t taking into account the influence he has on defenses that opens up everyone else.

        • paul from nc

          He must be flat out terrible, unable to run, catch or return punts.

          I missed something somewhere. In the games you say he was shut out, how many times was he targeted? If he was doubled, a Foles was afraid to throw into coverage, that left others open underneath. Does that mean anything?

          • Eagles4Life

            Lol I’m definitely not agreeing with previous poster “Commander.” His critique of DJacc made no sense to me.

  • oreofestar

    Also enough with the Desean is overpaid BS… tell me a wr on his second contract that gives more production that Desean for less

    • Adam G

      Antonio Brown and Pierre Garcon to name 2 off the top of my head.

      • oreofestar

        Jackson is waaaaaay better than Garcon, he is also better then Brown who if he got a new contract today would make more then what Desean is making now

        • Adam G

          You asked about production and 2nd contract. Both produce more and make less and on 2nd contract. You can’t change the rules about Brown, that’s his second contract.

          • oreofestar

            Desean is better than both of them

        • peteike

          Garcon kind of impressed me this last season, he balled on that terrible team. Showed to be a legit #1 imo, esp if he gets some help around him. Of course I dont want that to happen

          • oreofestar

            Is Desean not a legit number one wr and the only player I can say that for on our roster

      • Nfl All Day

        Brown’s a possession guy, good, but not a game breaker. Pierre had ONE good year. And he’ll be hurt by mid season.

      • aub32

        Better numbers consistently. Let’s not pick guys who had one good year.

        • oreofestar

          Its Adam….

        • Adam G

          Look at Desean’s last three years. Its not like this past year wasn’t his best. Everywhere you read discusses his contract. Obviously its an issue as to why teams don’t want to trade for him. 10 mil of cap space is not that easy to come by.

        • NickS1

          Desean hasn’t exactly been consistent.

          • RIP illa

            He pretty much has been. The exception is the year he got hurt, 12. Even the year he took off was well in range when compared to his other years in the league…if we’re just soley looking at stats.

          • Adam G

            You mean 961 yards and 4 tds?

          • oreofestar

            So like Harvin’s best year?

          • Adam G

            Don’t ignore those rushing stats. And the year before he got traded he had almost 700 yards receiving in 9 games. That’s a ton. Also there’s that whole thing of him not really being under contract.

          • RIP illa

            Are you trying to be a smart ass or just missed the part where I said “are in range”? If it’s the former, then you might wanna check out his career stats. If it’s the latter, you might wanna re-read and then check out his career stats!

          • Adam G

            My point was 961 yards and 4 tds is a very average year for any WR, when he ADMITTED HE WAS TANKING. Let that sit in. He actually said he tanked because he wanted a new contract. You think that’s a good attitude? You think that sounds like a Chip Kelly guy? You think other GMs are dying to pay a guy 10 mil a year who has that attitude while also giving up a draft pick?

          • RIP illa

            Ok so before you jumped into my response to NICK…his point was that DJax HAS NOT BEEN CONSISTENT!!! What does my response to him have to do with you or your response. PAY ATTENTION!!! You wanna jump in and contribute or argue a counter point…fine! But at least try to stay on point!!! HENCE…you might wanna re-read and then check his career stats!!! Please let that sit in. Smh!

          • Adam G

            So many posts hard to distinguish. His stats besides this year have been consistently slightly above average.

          • RIP illa

            Yes this year was an incredible year for him. But average 1k a season or even his two seasons I 900 plus, minus the season he was injured, is nothing to scoff at. I may be wrong but I don’t think it’s “very average” for receivers to achieve. And even if it’s “slightly above average”, which is real different from very, I still don’t see a lot of receivers, or the average, doing so. But I have not, and probably won’t go through the stats of every starting WR, league wide, so I could be wrong.

          • paul from nc

            Slightly above average???? where, in Madden?

          • NickS1

            I mischaracterized. He’s been consistently a great #2 stat-wise until this year. The others mentioned by Adam G aren’t far off, except their “#1″ production years net reliability in the catch department, thus the 20 and 30 catches more in their columns.

          • RIP illa

            Smart ass comment coming, going after the #2 part of your response and not you yourself.

            So does that mean Maclin’s been a consistently great number 3 stat wise???

            Desean is not the greatest WR in the league, but he is definitely special and definitely is among the tops. Whether it be top 5 or top 10. 32 teams…5-6 WR spots on a roster…makes DJax pretty damn good by comparison.

          • NickS1

            Going by catches, he’s a good 3 in a Peyton/Brees offense. Maclin’s a solid #2 receiver…. Seriously, I don’t like the idea of a trade of Desean. But he’s only had one top 10 season. His all-pro year is based on returning and was 4 years ago. I’m really just trying to take a different view at it. He’s not overall top 10 in the league, IMO.

          • RIP illa

            I get the angle your taking. And if you don’t view him as top 10 the. That’s cool too, I can’t change that.

  • oreofestar

    I really feel bad for Desean man…he can be a diva at times or whatever but when you put up the numbers he does and your team is trying to get rid of you for a pick that is even lower then the one used to draft you that has to suck

    • Commander

      That’s what happens when you act like a me first punk. IMO dump him, the TEAM will be much better without. This is part of the reason I thought they brought Sproles in for.

      • oreofestar

        If you think the Eagles will be better without Desean you are not worth arguing with

        • Commander

          It’s all opinions man, no need to “argue”

          • aub32

            If that is your opinion then my opinion is you have a dumb opinion and aren’t worth exchanging opinions with.

  • Goombachiphi

    I’m afraid this means that the mgmt still sees this year as a rebuilding year. There is no such thing.

  • dollamakeuholla

    I used to always get mad when Andy would only put Jackson on outside and never move him around! I would always say if Jackson was on New England he would put up HUGE numbers…… I definitely didn’t think i would ever see it! No Way do they trade him to San Fran right?

  • oreofestar

    These new Desean rumors have destroyed my day and now I am really upset, this is getting beyond ridiculous…if Howie trades Desean it means he does not think that we have a team that can compete for the superbowl it means he thinks we are freaking rebuilding it means he does not value the success of Nick Foles and it means that he now looks like a complete moron for giving Cooper a big deal because he success was almost entirely because of Desean

    • NickS1

      Or it means Chip thinks his offense doesn’t require Desean and told Howie that if the value is right to go ahead.

      • oreofestar

        A 3rd though?!?!? who the hell are you getting in the third Bryant?!?!?! Moncrief?!?!? if you are counting on them to be Desean then that is a very stupid mistake

        • NickS1

          I read the third on bleacher report, too. Who knows how much real truth there is to it, though?

          • oreofestar

            I have read it on philly.com and nfl.com and it better be freaking bogus!!!

          • NickS1

            Neither of which are great sources, mind you. At least it allows for the gauging of real interest with the hope of a small bidding war.

          • oreofestar

            I just want Desean back, why lose 6mil in dead money and a top 10 WR in his prime

          • NickS1

            Speed is often the first thing to go in a receiver. If he’s in his prime now, how many more years does his speed last?

          • oreofestar

            to be honest look st some wrs now like Johnson, Smith, Coldin, Fitz and others balling out in their mid 30s and we are talking about a guy who is only 27! and we need to get rid of him when he wil be 30 at the end of his deal and many wrs still produce at a high level at 30,

          • NickS1

            All of those guys are more than just speed.

          • oreofestar

            My thing with Desean is will we trade him some day sure but you can not do it this year when you have no replacement on the roster see now if we draft ODB and he balls out this year then sure…looks at what you can get next season but right now he is irreplaceable and you can not replace proven production for the unknown

          • NickS1

            If you’re going to trade him regardless why would you not do so when you can maximize the value?

          • oreofestar

            I am not saying I am going to trade him regardless in fact I would not mind extending him lowering cap hits, giving him a bit more guaranteed dollars I am just saying that under current circumstances he should not be traded unless you are given an offer you can not refuse

          • NickS1

            “My thing with Desean is will we trade him some day sure ” that sounds like a question you asked and answered yourself. Restructuring this year adds to cap in future years. Personally, I’d pay him this year and restructure/renegotiate after the season. I just want to look at it from a different lens.

          • oreofestar

            I said sure as in sure we might trade him one day, who knows really but it would be foolish to that now when Mac is a high end number 2 guy at best and Cooper without someone taking attention on him is really a number 3

          • NickS1

            It’s foolish depending on what’s received in return.

          • oreofestar

            I understand being open to trading him because you have to be open to trading anybody but it would have to be AT LEAST what Harvin got not this 3rd round nonsense going around

          • RIP illa

            If we only wanna go recent history…Steve smith, Randy Moss, TO. Speed can last when you’re already stupidly faster than your peers!

          • NickS1

            TO and SS also were physical receiver, and Randy being 6’4″ could jump over guys, although never a good route runner…. Just playing devils advocate here.

          • RIP illa

            Ok. So now you wanna change the parameters to better suit your point of view.

          • NickS1

            Since Desean is pretty much speed only, I’m not changing anything. Nothing wrong with it. It’s worked so far. I just wonder if the Eagles are asking themselves that very question when they do what they’re doing right now, is all.

      • peteike

        that is exactly right. He thinks his scheme wins out over the player…to a degree of course. Hes said many times you need the horses essentially but Im sure he also believes his system can prevail and they can coach guys up. Im not necessarily agreeing there when it comes to djax but that is prob what the FO thinks if they move him.

        • RIP illa

          Agree with what you said, so I’m not saying that we’re doomed. But many of coaches have went down that path and failed miserably! This shit better work!!!

  • Nfl All Day

    I won’t go so far as to say this offense will struggle without #10, but you’re gonna rely on 2 guys in Maclin and Cooper who are average NFL recievers. No more, no less. There’s not special thing about either. (And i must admit how Andy-ish this growing theme of scheme over talent is becoming!) Now we enter the draft with a hole we must fill.

    Bottom line, they are NOT building for 2014. They are looking a year down the road. If we have another good year next season it’s a bonus in their mind, but nobody is getting fired (FO-wise) if the team takes a step back in 2014. It’s obvious.

    • oreofestar

      Without Desean we are not a top 10 offense

      • NickS1

        I bet Chip would laugh in your face if you told him that.

        • Commander

          Exactly

          • RIP illa

            Doesn’t mean that we will be top 3 either!

        • oreofestar

          Maybe I am being too pissed but with Desean I think we can have the number 1 offense in the league why take that away? and take a dip

          • NickS1

            I think we can, too. But, yes, I do think you’re being too pissed. I gave up on the desire to win the SB in 2014 with the lack of defensive additions, so, this at least allows the ability to gain picks in a good draft to build for the eventual run.

            EDIT: I don’t like it, myself. Just trying to think view from a different lens.

          • oreofestar

            With a good enough draft we can make a run NOW! We are already the best team in the East by a landslide and we got better and letting Desean go for peanuts is a huge blow, I need at least what the Vikings got for Harvin to think about moving him

          • NickS1

            Have they traded him for a third yet?

          • oreofestar

            Not at all…

          • Nfl All Day

            Then don’t sign an aging Sproles (plus the 5th rounder),and Peters, and trade Cole and Ryans.

          • NickS1

            Really? Trade 6.8mil Ryans and 31 y.o. Cole’s terrible deal for what?

        • Nfl All Day

          I bet Belichicks gonna laugh when he gets Desean for a 3rd

          • NickS1

            When he gets DJ for a 3rd? IF it happens, you’d have a point. And IF it happens, a lot of people would very much question this front office. Just starting a baseline for a hopeful bidding war, would be my guess.

      • RIP illa

        I wouldn’t go that far.

  • aub32

    It’s so funny that so many people are bringing up the money issue. What the hell are we spending money on? So many were in an uproar that we didn’t spend money, but then fans say DeSean is overpaid. It’s not like we need the money to go get Byrd or Ware

    • Joe Banner

      I am glad we didn’t spend money frivolously in FA and I think Desean is overpaid.

      • oreofestar

        really 9.4mil a season is overpaid huh? how much do you think he is worth then

        • NickS1

          12.75 this year and 12 next year. You’re understating the pay.

          • Joe Banner

            He is in his own fantasy making numbers up. He is a Deseasn fanboy, he is in tears over there.

          • oreofestar

            It was a 5 year 47mil deal, look it up if you want to Desean had low cap numbers earlier and higher ones now that is just how it was structured only making an average of less then 10

          • oreofestar

            It was a 5 year 47mil deal so no I am not understating the pay

          • NickS1

            You are. If you read anything about football contracts you should know that average figures and total contract dollars are worthless numbers.

          • oreofestar

            Ok so was Desean not underpayed when he had cap figures of 6.5mil but now that the numbers are getting more in line of that of a pro bowl wr which he is, we need to get rid of him

          • NickS1

            He got a 10mil signing bonus dude. Stop.

          • oreofestar

            And if you trade him he will still see that money and you take on a lovely 6mil in dead

          • NickS1

            That’s 6.75 mil savings this year and 10 next year. Point?

          • oreofestar

            So is Desean not worth 7mil to this team, that he needs to be rid of

          • NickS1

            If management is dangling him, clearly they believe that to be the case. And when you add up savings this year and from the rest of the salary together, the savings is larger.

          • Tom w

            Disagree. Could easily have nothing to do w money whatsoever

          • NickS1

            To some extent or another, money is always a reason.

          • oreofestar

            Who knows the FO will not commit to Jackson and that is never good… I know you guys have shown you obviously mind Desean leaving but when you see our offense without him and how Riley will get shut down and Maclin will not et half the attention Desean does then maybe you will care

          • Tom w

            It’s has nothing to do w money. You guys are completely right. As nick would agree, Howie would redo the deal if we really wanted to keep him. The cap hit is to high vs no security for djax. It was meant to be a two year deal and then see what we thought. Well chip doesn’t like his attirtude I am assuming and what’s to make a team facelift and get most value for him while we can. Not that I agree w motives or that his value wouldn’t be higher next offseason in a weaker wr draft

          • Tom w

            If we wanted to keep him everyone in the world knows we would redo the deal. It has nothing to do w the money at all. It’s his attitude and shit we don’t hear about like the bitching and fights w bicknell I suspect. Also chip doesn’t like he can’t beat press coverage I don’t necessarily agree w any of this, but the reason isn’t production or money. It’s fit and personality and team and growth

          • NickS1

            Money is a reason. Restructuring this year adds to future years cap. Would have to wait until after the season. Never heard that Chip doesn’t like that he can’t beat press coverage. No one can run with him one on one.

          • Tom w

            Dude Howie wrote the deal w the intention to redo the deal if he stayed. There is no way in hell either side wants the deal as it is today. So money isn’t the issue. Our cap is fine every year so spreading out the dead money isn’t a big deal bc if we wanted him we would be fine we dead money for atleast three yrs like we are w almost everyone we sign to 3-5 yr deals.

          • NickS1

            Desean gets 10mil this year regardless of who pays it. Doubt he cares about that aspect. You restructure, you add to next year’s cap, which dwindles with rookie contracts and just decreased with Sproles’ extension. Money is ALWAYS a reason. How much it factors in is the only variable there.

          • oreofestar

            Desean is upset with being floated around in trade talks (reportedly) and if that is rue it is because Desean wants to be here and not because he would get payed less somewhere else so if your number 1 offensive weapon not named Shady does not want to be traded and you know how much he means to your offense you have to make something work to keep everyone happy barring a really good deal like if the Browns come up and say the 4th pick with 2 3s and a 4 then yeah we start talking but no team in giving up the kings ransom so why give up you pro bowl wr

          • NickS1

            Or because living in limbo sucks. I’d want to know where I stood, too, with spring camp in a month. Need to buy a plane ticket.

      • Tom w

        Troll

    • peteike

      ya totally agree, who cares what they spend when they are never near the cap or having issues anyway, its irrelevant.

    • dollamakeuholla

      12 million this year and a cancer and distraction in the locker room is the issue. He wouldn’t even speak to the position coach while making the most money on the team besides maybe peters! Kelly is building a team who he wants to be a team first not a me first! And i’m sure the day after losing to the saints and saying he wants more money didn’t help also

      • Tom w

        Where are rumors he didn’t speak to bicknell????? Of that’s true it’s the sole reason he is gone. Money could and would be redone to be more team and deseans friendly if we stay together

  • Will

    Desean Jackson is what makes this Offense go. (1) Draws double coverages (2) Is a excellent decoy (3) Stretches the opposing defenses (4) has incredible speed (5) produced 1300 receiving yards (6) If traded who on the Eagles could guard him if we face him? The Eagles need to think this thru….just a 3rd pick is laughable….

  • oreofestar

    Unfortunately these rumors will not end until after draft day…

  • Honest_T

    The reason 3rd round pick was leaked was to create a market, so we can get the best price, and they have targeted replacements in rounds 1, 2, or 3.

    • Tom w

      That’s a horrible price. And it was atleast a third and maybe another pick. And it was a third last yr before a career yr. he is worth more … Look at harvins trade deal

      • JofreyRice

        seriously, we just gave up a 5th for a 31 year old running back.

        • Tom w

          Look at harvin deal and everyone immediately said djax is better which means nothing to me. Seattle got a first seventh and a fourth the following yr in a bad draft. Just a third isn’t enough. Maybe a second and fourth in this draft and me personally still wouldn’t do it

    • oreofestar

      If the FO is banking on a rookie wr especially a 2nd or 3rd round pick to give Desean production that is silly I can not even say for a fact that Watkins will be as good as Desean

      • Tom w

        Don’t think they really. Not thinking about one year but next five yrs where someone like Watkins or Evans or any top 10 pick probably has more value

        • oreofestar

          DO you know that for sure? 1. Are we getting a top 5 pick for Desean because that is what you are going to need for Watkins and 2. Look at Austin last year you can not just bank on potential when you have proven production

    • Nfl All Day

      For sale: AllPro WR coming off career year. Field stretcher. Requires bracket coverage nearly every play. No major accidents. Minor diva/ wannabe HipHop mogul. Also a threat in the return game.Asking 3rd round pick OBO. Call 215-4sucker. Ask for Howie. 10% discount when you use the promo code “banners ghost”

      • Will

        Excellent “LMAO”

      • NickS1

        Ah yes, the all-pro RETURNER from 2009 who returned 14 punts and 1 kick this year.

  • Burberry Manning

    Adam Schefter of ESPN offers his thoughts on whether the trade speculation is real:”They’re not looking to deal DeSean Jackson, but they certainly would be open if the right offer came along.”They’re not looking to deal him, but if a team came along with an attractive offer, I’m sure Philadelphia – based on conversations with other league executives – would be willing to at least listen.”

  • oreofestar

    Maybe I am being hopeful but we have no idea in hell if the Eagles are truly actively trying to shop Desean, are they fielding calls? of course why wouldn’t they but there is NO WAY that they would trade Desean for a 3rd it would have to be AT LEAST what Harvin got

    • Adam G

      Think you may be in denial. They even tried to shop him last year for a mid round pick and didn’t get that.

  • Tom w

    Wow I really have no idea how this is going to play out …. Did someone have a link to a story that says he doesn’t speak to the wr coach?

    • oreofestar

      Even if that is true if I am forced between picking between my pro bowl star wr and a position coach, I wanna win games and Desean is gonna win me more games then my wr coach

  • oreofestar

    Albert Breer “… Best I can tell, the Niners didn’t call Philly. And as for the Patriots, they’re running out of cap room too. Weird situation.”

    • oreofestar

      “Been told the 49ers aren’t interested in DeSean Jackson. Right now, they have $4.22M in cap space. And they have to budget for Kaepernick.”

      • ICDogg

        Yeah, doesn’t make any sense.

        • Tom w

          Yep niners definitely don’t have the space unless they shed some salaries. Same w pats.

          • oreofestar

            to be honest the only teams that have the money for a Desean are the teams picking higher in the draft, like Jets and up and if we can take their first along with some mid round picks maybe but why would they do that

          • NickS1

            If they offer a 1st and 3rd or 4th, they better jump on it.

          • oreofestar

            who?

          • GEAGLE

            The rumor is we are getting a 3rd round pick for him, maybe a 4th which is laughable

          • oreofestar

            No way in hell…I refuse to believe it, and if that happens I will be the saddest man alive

          • GEAGLE

            Dude, I don’t believe in this crap…which is why I just been sitting back watching you puppets dance while the bullshit media pulls your strings… If Desean is such a problem that we would accept a bullshit 3rd round pick, we would be considering cutting him if there are no trade partners, and that’s just laughable…

            You can’t say we are willing to dump him for a 3rd or a 4th, but if not, no big deal we will just bring him back next year…laughable garbage…3rd round pick after what Harvin was traded for? Is the media high?

          • oreofestar

            You have been watching me dance…cuz I have really been dancing

          • GEAGLE

            You been sweating pretty hard bud, taking enemy fire from all sides..way to hold your ground

          • oreofestar

            Oh so you have been watching my 50+ comment meltdown while fending off anyone who says stuff about my favorite player and you did not jump in….Geagle such restraint, I am impressed

          • GEAGLE

            If I get Into this discussion, I’ll be banned from the internet for like two weeks…I only got 3 words for you mofo’s…DEFENSE! DEFENSE! DEFENSE!!!

          • oreofestar

            I love Desean too much to the point that if letting Desean go would have gotten us Byrd I WOULD have said F*** Byrd

          • GEAGLE

            I wouldn’t worry too much. I think it’s bogus..wouldn’t even be surprised if Deseans side was starting these rumors to pressure eagles into throwing some money at him to stop the madness…all these leaks are agenda based. If the plan was to trade hm, we would never hear about it..we damn sure wouldn’t b lowering his trade value by letting everyone hear so this public crap storm starts…either someone took the raiders offer and ran with it that we are shopping him, when we were simply listening to offers which we should always do..or Deseans side is starting these rumors and he just playing along,maybe he don’t even know about it….you can bet his agent is in his ear about Time for a new deal

          • oreofestar

            You know I hope you are right GEAGLE Desean is my favorite would hate to see him go especially when we do not have a replacement for him and I am not banking on any rookie to become a pro bowler because you never know, It has to be at least a Harvin type deal but this 2nd and 3rd and 4rd round nonsense is just painful

          • GEAGLE

            If we were really intent on trading Desean, it would be the most top secret talks ever…media can’t find out we interested in a damn st player like Braman, and they think they would ever hear about a Desean trade which only lowers his value? Does Howie look like boo boo the fool? If we would want to trade him this is not how a well run organization would go about It…and I told you. If you want to know what the eagles are going to do, just look at you “what would a well run organization do” bracelet..and what you are hearing makes no sense according to that braclet

          • oreofestar

            Hell it is just keeps coming back up though…you have no idea how much it bothers me, I mean it is not like Desean is 33 and we have some stud waiting under his wings, the guy is in his prime and we do not have a replacement on the roser

          • GEAGLE

            Writers have nothing to write about. Lazy ish, they don’t wanna take the time to watch college prospect video. Y wouldn’t they write this, it’s the tenth day in a row and it still gets 500 comments. It ain’t even about replacing his production..they can’t replace the way he opens things up for everyone.

          • NickS1

            Anyone. But namely whom was mentioned, the Jets.

  • oreofestar

    Damn…I am getting destroyed on here today, hard to fend off the Desean haters, I am in complete denial I do not want him to leave *sheds tear* at least not for anything less then what Harvin got who is an injury prone wr with just as big an ego, has never hit 1000 yards and got even more money than Desean

    • NickS1

      I’m not a Desean hater at all. I’m also not one who’s going to act as if he’s the best receiver in the game because he had one almost arguably great season as a receiver.

      • oreofestar

        I never said he was the best WR in the game, if we were talking about Calvin and I was a Detriot fan I am going crazy and I want multiple firsts and more for him, for me I am different you Desean is my favorite player and I truly appreciate everything he does not just for himself but other players on the field, he is the best WR we have had since TO and without half the drama and I would hate to see a homegrown talent leave for nothing

        • JofreyRice

          he’s the best wide receiver on our team by far. I don’t think anyone is a clear upgrade in this draft except maybe Sammy Watkins. a lot of these guys have potential by Jackson’s got NFL production.

          • oreofestar

            We can not even sit here and say for sure Watkins will be better then Jackson… and what team in the Watkins range is giving up their first and a lot of cap for Desean

      • JofreyRice

        he may have had his most complete season this year, but its not like he is a one-year wonder. Why are we looking to buy low and sell high? We’re not stakeholders in the Eagles business. We’re fans that want to see our teen filled with talented players. Who are the spending the money on? Is Michael Kendricks getting a mill for every missed tackle next year?

        • NickS1

          Most of my posts today are just trying to view it from a different lens, JR. Is he a product of the system? I don’t know. I’m sure there’s a GM or two that probably think that, though. Maybe he is the “cancer” that he’s sometimes labeled as and Chip finds him dispensable because of it. Is a 3rd low? Yeah, very, and especially to us fans. But if he’s a product of a system a 2nd may be the best we can do. If Chip WANTS him gone, then that’s the best haul and we have to live with it. We’ve lived through worse as Eagles fans. I know everyone wants a Percy Harvin like haul, but, it may not happen.

          • Caught Red Hernandez

            Desean is a product of what system exactly?

            He’s put up great numbers in Chip’s O and Reid’s West Coast offense.

            And if Chip wants him gone after the kinda career season he just had, it’s seems to me thats a red flag that chip might let his ego start taking over

          • NickS1

            He was a one trick pony under Andy and was moved around under Chip’s. You may want to actually look at the stats. Or, maybe we have varying definitions of “great”

          • Caught Red Hernandez

            Yes, i do want to look at stats. Please provide the stats that back up your argument that desean is a “one trick pony”

            So sad how some philly fans are so quick to turn on their own players.

          • NickS1

            I’m not turning. Just viewing from a different lens, using reason, etc. In the most pass happy offense in the league he had 62 catches (career high, at the time) twice and 1000 yards twice in 5 years. Oh, it’s noted by most who follow that he was a vertical threat only under Andy, thus, the “one-trick pony”. His one arguably great season, 2013, was with him used in a variety of ways, but maximized space while shielding him from big hits. So, if you’re trading for him, you’d better make sure you’re pairing him with the right OC who would know how to use such a weapon. Here are his stats:

            http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackDe00.htm

          • NickS1

            Here’s a “How to use Google Guide” for your future curiosities.

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah – but when DeSean runs Ghost Motion…

          • Richard Colton

            If last year was “product of a system” DeSean, the sign me up for another!

          • NickS1

            I don’t disagree. If the right value is there, though, make the trade, but a product of the system may not garner a worthwhile haul.

          • oreofestar

            I do not disagree at all it has to be quite a haul but I am not sure a team will be willing to give up a Percy Harvin like trade in this draft class and I think that is what it will take

          • NickS1

            We’ll see if it takes that. I doubt it.

          • oreofestar

            So what do you think they need to move him?

          • NickS1

            Not sure. A third is to get interest going, to get phone calls coming in. Fact of the matter is, none of us know how the factors that led to this point are weighed by the FO, so we don’t know what it will take/what they will settle for, if anything.

          • Richard Colton

            That’s always the case Nick, so sure – I’ll agree there. What are we talking about here? Say a team values his return ability too and pays Seattle prices. We’re looking at the Jet’s pick. Who does that net you? ODB? Fine. Looks like he’ll be a nice player, but you can’t expect him to walk in as a rook and catch 80 for 1300. Half of the WRs from this “great class” are going to be busts.

          • NickS1

            No, but is he going to repeat with Maclin AND Sproles in the fold, now? Wonder how much it affect the FO’s thinking.

          • NickS1

            Also, remember that Seattle was paying for a guy who was on the last year of his rookie deal, not trading for a guy with a 2nd contract. Different trade circumstances.

  • dollamakeuholla

    Why are people acting like we are just getting rid of him to get rid of him! We all know how much he helps our offense go! Cooper would have never got his contract if it wasn’t for Jackson! Hell if we were gonna lose his money i would have loved to put it to Byrd! But it is VERY obvious that Kelly sees this guy as a locker room Cancer! His first year Jackson refused to talk to his position coach who Kelly brought in. So what does this show the new guys and young guys that The Eagles will reward you as the top or 2nd highest paid player no matter how you act! I Love Jackson just like 90% of the rest of Eagle fans but if you all can’t see that this is a Team decision on how Kelly wants to build this team with the right people then you are blinded by his speed. You just don’t trade a guy who has over 80 catches and 1300 yards for only a 3rd if he is not a major problem. The position coach story is the only one that leaked but there are probably a ton more. It also doesn’t help when the team loses it’s home playoff loss and his first interview he wants a new contract! Kelly doesn’t want a me first guy and we all know that! But if you want to believe that you know better than the Eagles and Chip on how to build a team the right way then go ahead and say how stupid they are! But i bet if they end up moving up and drafting M. Evans you won’t be upset anymore!

    • Tom w

      Where is the link to the positional coach story you speak of ???

      • RIP illa

        It’s been reported, by Gunn I think, that he (Gunn) had an interview with Avant and it came out that Avant had to be the to between, between Djax and Bicknell cuz they did not get along.

        • Tom w

          Was this on ongoing thing or just a one time thing when the onfield fight occurred??

          • oreofestar

            You can’t really know

          • Richard Colton

            Remember the fight on the field when it looked like DeSean was going after Avant? After Jackson dogged it on the underthrown Foles pass? That was the fight with the WR coach Bicknell.

          • NickS1

            Minnesota.

          • oreofestar

            That would explain why I may not remember I am not sure I watched that whole game

          • oreofestar

            Hmmmm….

          • RIP illa

            The whole season. Then add the fight that occurred as the breaking point.

    • oreofestar

      He is not TO it is not that bad and unless some serious dirty stuff is going on behind the scenes why get rid of him, he is just too talented to lose over a 3rd and some bickering with a positional coach

      • dannyd

        You are so blind with your love of Jackson you cannot be reasoned with.

        • NickS1

          Fact.

          • oreofestar

            Maybe that is true I love Jackson…

        • Caught Red Hernandez

          Oh please. Desean has been our biggest weapon on offense for YEARS and still is. If defenses didn’t have to commit a safety deep for Desean then teams would load the box and shut down shady.

          Not only that, there is no sound logic for getting rid of Desean now. He’s 27!! This isn’t Steve Smith we’re talking about.

      • dollamakeuholla

        there is obviously a lot more than we know. The eagles and chip aren’t getting rid of someone with his talent to just get rid of him! That Position coach story of him not talking to the coach only came out because Avant was leaving and threw it out there on his way out! On a different subject i google Jackson and found out he is a member of the rollin 40 crips! never knew that one!

    • Richard Colton

      I’ll believe it when I see him traded for a 3rd rounder. Otherwise, this is conjectural nonsense.

      “it is VERY obvious that Kelly sees this guy as a locker room Cancer” – obvious to whom?

      “just don’t trade a guy who has over 80 catches and 1300 yards for only a 3rd if he is not a major problem” – to whom has he been traded?

      “The position coach story is the only one that leaked but there are probably a ton more.” – based on what proof?

      Here are your logical fallacies in order – free of charge.

      https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion
      https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
      https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity

      • RIP illa

        Damn RC…you ain’t have to do it to him that nasty!!! LMAO.

        • Richard Colton

          I don’t like a lot of DeSean’s antics. But why are we acting like the Eagles just shipped him out of town?

          Kapadia says it better than me. Here’s his tweet from earlier:

          “Four WRs caught 80+ balls and avg. at least 16.0 YPR in 2013: Calvin Johnson, Gordon, Jeffery and DeSean. Not as replaceable as some think.” – S.Kapadia

          • RIP illa

            Yeah I know man, and agree. I do think that this situation is, or either is broaching, being irreparable.

      • OldDocRoss

        Devil’s advocate, just because as much as I hate it, I think from the start there’s been more to this story than random media speculation.

        In the first few days, 99% of comments on here were Denial.

        We’re now increasingly seeing a move towards Anger.

        What time’s Bargaining due?

        Usual Disclaimer: I continue to hope I’m wrong and this is all media lunacy and DEAR GOD HOWIE just pick up the phone and tell DeSean you love him :(

        • RIP illa

          Ha. I know the steps too. That’s why I just skipped the process and did all of them at once :-) Especially since it’s Howie and the same organization that has been plagued by “The Smartest Men In The Room” syndrome for 15-16 years.

          • OldDocRoss

            Haha, yeah. I can’t get by the fact that it’s *one guy*. A guy who happens to be really good at football.

            And on top of that, not a guy who’s actively evil. Immature? Sure. Self centred? Yup. But not someone who is going to go out of his way to deliberately F stuff up for others and absolutely someone who is manageable.

            You should be able to manage a DeSean. Any business on earth would tolerate a 2% crybaby ratio if that 2% were outstanding at their jobs.

            The only thing that makes me think Howie et al might be on to something is that if market value turns out to be a 3rd, there *has* to be more to this than meets the eye. Right?

          • RIP illa

            Right.

      • dollamakeuholla

        The proof is that he is available for a 3rd round pick coming off a career year! What else proof do you need! This is all chip! He loves speed and playmakers and is willing to get rid of a guy for cheap! Or do you still believe that the media is making all this up? Please All it would take is one statement i look forward to seeing desean grow in his second season in this offense and this is over! And Derrick Gunn is in pretty good with the Eagles! Your in Denial but we are here for you!

        • Richard Colton

          I refuse to believe you’re this stupid.

          “The proof is he’s available for a 3rd round pick.” – says who? show me that proof.

          • dollamakeuholla

            So you believe that this is all made up by the media just to buy time until the draft and everyone is going to come in at mini camps and hug and talk about how funny all this was? Derrick Gunn isn’t some TMZ Florio type he knows the Eagles! Desean has had issues all his career! There is a reason he dropped to the 2nd round! We just lost the playoffs and all he was worried about was his contract not even 24 hours later. And why would Avant come out and talk about that he had to be the go between for desean and QB coach?Why wouldn’t Chip come out and end this with one statement when he is all about communication! Here is a quote from Chip after the draft:

            Quite frankly, Kelly wants his players to understand why decisions are made before they read about it in the media.

            “I’m really big on open communication,” Kelly said. “I don’t want there to be gray areas. I think sometimes there are gray areas because there’s a lack of communication between people. This is what we did and it’s the same message that they had when they sat in this room on the first day I met them.

            What are you gonna be more upset about? That we trade him or we only get a 3rd round pick?

          • dollamakeuholla

            for you to think that all this is made up is Crazy! Don’t worry you can still wear his jersey when he is gone

          • paul from nc

            why would you believe it’s true? Kempski says Gunn says …… then Gunn says per Kempski …… then another says confirmed by two eagles sources ….. then G & K say, per national sources……. nothing is real

          • dollamakeuholla

            your right i have thought this over! I was crazy to believe Derrick Gunn an Eagles Reporter who spends the majority of his time with the Eagles and Their Players over the great Richard Colton the Eagles Blog Commenter!

            https://yourlogicalfallacyis.c

          • Richard Colton

            You better S#it a “Derrick Gunn reports Eagles shopping DeSean Jackson for a 3rd round pick” story ten minutes ago or risk looking like a bigger clown.
            Nothing you said is even close to being true.

          • dollamakeuholla

            I’m sorry…. so Gunn Didn’t report that Jackson was available for a 3rd round pick?

          • dollamakeuholla
        • paul from nc

          You’re basing your argument on pure BS. All the reports are unconfirmed rumors. Repeated in different articles until you start to think thy’re true.

          The only time I will believe any of this is “if, and only if,” they trade him and only get a 2nd or 3rd. Until then I think it’s all made up by these hacks.

      • paul from nc

        see, now this is just ridiculous. Logic?
        Who on here even knows what that means?

    • ia

      The 80 catches and 1300 yards were of course not just because of Desean’s greatness. He benefitted greatly from the system and what the guys did around him. Totally agree that a cancer will ruin the team chemistry in Chips system of covering each others back and sacrificing yourself for the team.
      Chip made great teams without star players, so he’ll do it again. Look at the Seahawks, it’s possible.

      • dollamakeuholla

        Exactly and Chip knows his offense will be successful without him or he wouldn’t do it!

        • Richard Colton

          DO WHAT?!?! nothing’s happened.

          I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. This unlikely scenario is going to happen is because if they do it…it will have happened.

    • paul from nc

      How is it obvious that Kelly sees him as a cancer? The only reason we “know this” is because these articles keep repeating it. No basis in fact that I’ve seen.
      Were any of these “reporters” in the lock room, and know that he didn’t speak to his coach? Sometimes the leaks are just made up stories by these writers to churn the waters.

      • dollamakeuholla

        I agree that that happens a lot but this story won’t go away and D Gunn knows his shit! Just because he said he heard from his source doesnt make it less true. he isn’t going to name his source. This story keeps getting deeper and deeper and the eagles could have ended it with one statement but they didn’t.

  • ryyndynyyls

    Here’s something : Seattle won a Super Bowl without those three precious draft picks. Minnesota walked away with what a lot of people considered to be an excellent haul. Not saying Harvin on the bench got them to the SB, but his upside remains far higher than Cordarelle Patterson’s and those three picks clearly did the Vikings no immediate favors. Actually had a year so bad that they now have a new head coach. All Pro talent is virtually unreplaceable. Can we all momentarily flirt with reason and assess the actual long-term value of draft picks? Yes, they matter. No, they are not even close to a sure thing. Your All Pro receiver, though, that’s a sure thing.

    If it matters that he gets along with his positions coach then find a new positions coach. Real talk.

    • oreofestar

      We do not have Seattle’s D they win games because of their D and we win games because of O Desean is like our Thomas he is too important granted unlike Thomas there are rumblings about character and fit

      • oreofestar

        I do not mean that DJAX is all pro or anything maybe Chacellor was a better comparison? But you get what I mean

        • ryyndynyyls

          I think I get what you mean. Seattle was already so strong on D that they could forgo a few picks to trade for a major WR threat. But then, in turn, wouldn’t that mean that currently (with DJax on the roster) we’re strong enough on O to focus entirely on D in the draft?

          • oreofestar

            I actually think we should focus on D in the draft, use 4 picks on D

          • ryyndynyyls

            Really sucks to think that we went into this week with a near-perfect offense, in a position to really draft strong, defensively, BPA across the board and now we’re having to all consider what replacing a top ten NFL WR in a draft where we also desperately need a start-ready OLB and safety and depth at other defensive positions would mean. Seems we had it pretty good and have made it hard for virtually no
            reason.

          • Nfl All Day

            It was all good just a week ago!

          • NickS1

            Plus SEA was trading for a guy on the last year of his rookie deal. Not trading for a 10mil dollar player. They paid him after the fact.

      • ryyndynyyls

        Right. So instead of creating an issue around an All Pro receiver and creating yet another hole to fill in the draft, why not keep our insanely productive offense intact and draft smart on the defensive side? Not seeing how what you’re saying negates what I said.

        • oreofestar

          I agree

    • NickS1

      All pro PR/WR. If it weren’t for the two punt returns he’s not all pro.

      • ryyndynyyls

        Yes yes. Thank you.

        • NickS1

          Anytime, Tom.

  • Adam G

    Is there a chance this is to scare Desean straight? So he doesn’t “act up” anymore?
    A source close to DeSean Jackson tells the Philadelphia Daily News that D-Jax wants to finish his career with the Eagles, and would be “really hurt” if he were traded for “no reason.”

    • oreofestar

      Damn that is fine with me then but Howie is scaring me more than Desean lol

    • OldDocRoss

      The last time DeSean was unhappy was 2011. It did not go well. Making DeSean mad is a terrible idea. He is not Sidney Deane.

      • Adam G

        They have way more leverage now. I’m just saying it could be a tactic to maybe get him to alter his behavior.

        • peteike

          ya good luck with that, if thats their approach

          • RIP illa

            Yeah this approach is just flat out stupid. If he was such a problem and headache, then you attack his wallet and his playing time until he’s no longer a problem or until you’re forced to get rid of him. You don’t poke the bear!

        • OldDocRoss

          What leverage? Their options are:

          A. Pay him $10m to sulk
          B. Trade him to the highest bidder
          C. Cut him
          D. Make nice

          Making him mad helps none of these goals. Am I missing something?

          • Adam G

            Yeah, seems like his camp wants him to stay in Philly. Also, if he gets cut he is not sniffing that 10 mil. Not even close. And he knows the highest bidder will be a team with a lot of cap space, which is a team that probably stinks.

        • RIP illa

          I don’t see it as leverage, more than I see it as a non favorable situation for possibly both sides. All they can do is trade him, cuz we all know that they’re not going to cut him. So he gets to go to another team and continue to make money. They get something in return, which right now is looking like peanuts. I mean they can trade him to an undesired location, but who’s to know or say what that is??? Yet, they lose his production and may not be able to adequately replace it with just one player. I guess they reclaim the Gold standard and Chip culture, but what’s that worth any way until they win it all!!!

    • dollamakeuholla

      no way is this a tactic! Bringing in Sproles was to lessen the drop off in playmakers

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Send mesean packing. It’s about time. No ones in the locker room now to control this baby. Id take a second. Why not. Get something for him.

    • Caught Red Hernandez

      So you want to give up the gold that you already have in your lap for the chance to reach into a bag full of rocks and a couple diamonds?

      • ryyndynyyls

        I like this dude.

        Not even understanding why any of us have had to give an iota of thought to offensive questions after inking Coop and Mac.

    • GEAGLE

      No one to control his 160lb ass? Watch Kelce grab him by the throat if he acts a fool. Kelce has an 8year contact, you can believe he has clout now..we couldn’t control TO because he was a monster who beat up our defensive players.,Desean ain’t beating up Barwin

      • dollamakeuholla

        that’s 160 lb.’s in his full gear and soaking wet

        • GEAGLE

          Jason Peters is all business and wants to win so damn bad..think he won’t say nothing?

      • Richard Colton

        Ghost Motion? Say hello to “Viking Discipline”

        • GEAGLE

          And an Arkansas ass whooping from peters

      • peteike

        its constant pandering to someone complaining, not a physical thing. We dont know its constant, but you get what I mean. You cant just quiet certain egos down

        • GEAGLE

          Believe me, ish gets solved in locker room physically…code red his ass with soap bars every day til he stops…

          • GEAGLE

            Plus I doubt it has to get to that level..Chip ain’t a chump, and we can afford to suspend Desean with all the weapons he has and let him waste what’s left of his prime…he fined shady 100k..doubt Chip let’s Desean run the asylum…keep him home unpaid til he decides to act right

          • RIP illa

            That doesn’t make sense, unless we’re not being told some things. He can fine Shady, be mug there’s been no reports on Desean being fined, yet Desean is now that bad of a guy/cancer that all this shit gets started?

          • Nfl All Day

            Excellent point. Where’s the trail of disciplinary action and fines? Sounds like a question for one of these intrepid reporters who are so eager to push this nonsense. 24 upvotes.

          • GEAGLE

            I told you this is crap..it’s not real..either someone took the raiders offer and blew it out of proportion or Deseans agent started this 3rd round crap to cause hysteria and pressure the eagles to quiet it…how can you quiet it best? Throw a couple dollars at it….who benefits from this leak? If the answer isn’t Howie then it’s bullshit. Media can’t find out we interested in a damn ST player and you think we would ever hear about a Desan deal? Get real

          • RIP illa

            Let’s hope. Cuz right now it’s just a real stupid and F’d up situation.

          • GEAGLE

            Either Howie has a major leak…or Deseans agent is behind this crap….we couldn’t find a single leak about a free agent, and we signed dudes we never even heard of..if this was real Howie would be soooo covert ops mode to the point that he would never again deal with the teams who he was talking to if they let this get out…makes no sense…and this doesn’t benefit the eagles, and I don’t know this organization to have leaks….I simple don’t believe it

          • OldDocRoss

            Or the Eagles actually want to trade him but know they can’t say as much without hurting his trade value. So they have a low level guy leak it to a relatively unknown local reporter who prints it as part of a mostly speculative article and wait to see who calls.

            But nobody calls.

            And then the speculation builds.

            And so DeSean gets pissed.

            And that gets out.

            Causing further speculation.

            And welcome to today.

          • GEAGLE

            Makes no sense…letting it get out that we want to trade him drastically lowers his value….causing a known shitstorm til the point where you HAVE to trade him, lowers his value even more…
            HOW THE F does this benefit Howie? Does Howie look stupid? Is this not a secretly run organization that doesn’t link intell? This is NOT coming from us, because it doesn’t benefit us

          • OldDocRoss

            The point is to let the story get out in a comparatively quiet way that makes teams think “hey, let’s see if there’s any truth to this” rather than “BARGAIN SALE FTW!”.

            So that’s why you have someone of minimal importance leak it to Kempski rather than have Howie speak to Schefter.

            If you do nothing, nobody bothers to call because they assume we’re happy with him. This way the hope would be you get word out, while keeping enough doubt to not hurt his trade value.

            I fear we’ve gambled and lost. I’m as good as certain we’ve passed the point where we can just write this off as the media being the media. IMO a lot of reputable guys are reporting this and referencing sources now. I’d genuinely love to be wrong. If I’m not, I ain’t going to be like #7 the day after the Saints game saying “I TOLD YOU INGRAM WOULD PLAY WELL”.

            I’ll be gutted. But I don’t see this ending well.

          • GEAGLE

            Wtf are you talking about? If they want to trade him they pick up the damn phone and call a GM, not drag his value down by letting it leak that we would take a third round pick…makes no damn sense if they wanted to trade him

          • Nfl All Day

            Not no more. Not After Jonjon and Ritchie had that very public lovers quarrel in Miami. Now it’s kid gloves for everyone.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        Writing is on the wall bro. He gotta go. Desean will cry all year now sayin his offseason was disrespected. His numbers will never get better than this year. Value is high. He goes

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        Kelce didn’t do a good job of controlling his racist friend did he. He was there with him. Yet that happened

  • Nfl All Day

    One things certain. …if he wasn’t disgruntled before, he definitely will be now.

    • GEAGLE

      Wouldn’t be so sure that these rumors aren’t coming from his agent to start this hysteria and pressure eagles into paying some cash to calm it all down…makes more sense then Howie settling for a 3rd after what Harvin got…if this came from Howie Yous have to be insane to think we would ever hear about it..

      Where there is smoke is fire? What kind of archaic crap is that? We got smoke machines now a days

      • Nfl All Day

        But then they’d be willing to squash it also. It’d be in their (The FO) best interest to dead the whole conversation. “Utter nonsense. Wouldn’t trade him for the ghost of Red Grange!” says Howie.

        • GEAGLE

          Best way to squash it? Prove it and pay Desean. Who benefits? If we were ever going to trade him it would be the most top secret ish ever…we would never hear all these leaks. Get real..Howie look dumb?

  • oreofestar

    In other news Dllas got Melton

    • GEAGLE

      Hahaha his film pre injury was BAD..now he battling back from an injury? I love dallas

      • oreofestar

        a healthy Melton is a solid player, even a good player but coming off an injury….I don’t know

        • GEAGLE

          Was very nice player, but his film of the year before he got hurt was bad..heard Cossell talk about it today

          • Adam G

            There’s also that whole biting a kidney in a fight thing.

      • GEAGLE

        If I was still in sixers mode where I root for my team to lose every game,,I’d def switch squads and ride with the cowboys lol call me a bandwagon fan

        • oreofestar

          I think we are going to break the record we need like 5 more losses

          • GEAGLE

            Glorious…I love losing every game and not have to suck but risk not getting a top 4 pick…just lose every game and not sweat it

          • oreofestar

            Wiggins is going to be marvelous for us

          • GEAGLE

            YUP!!! Never be happier to see a Canadian lol..sorry wally

          • oreofestar

            We also have a boatload of money we gotta bring someone in probably not huge name though because this is not the most attractive destination

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t think we signing anyone til after the 2015 draft.

          • oreofestar

            oh yeah I am talking about free agency moves and I think we could make one

          • GEAGLE

            We don’t want to be good next year or we owe our pick to Miami or someone..we will be talented next year but too young to make playoffs, hit the lottery, keep our pick, fleece the heat ou of the first rounder we owe them..and then go free agent shopping July of 215

          • oreofestar

            I think we could get someone though, either way I am impressed with our tank it is beautiful

          • oreofestar

            Damn we are still 2 games ahead of the Bucks somehow, hopefully they win a few games because we are not winning anymore

          • Nfl All Day

            Which is bizarre. This used to be an elite, storied franchise. Now a laughing stock. I just hope Brett Brown doesn’t burn out. Get Wiggins and a big in the first. 3 Euros and 3 defenders in the 2nd. Narly Nerlins on the mend, And kick Phil Jackson’s ass back into retirement.

          • Maggie

            After drafting Wiggins, get him over to Shawn Hul’s secret laboratory ASAP. The kid seriously needs to muscle up.

    • Nfl All Day

      F#CK DALLAS

  • oreofestar

    Also I keep thinking about something who means more to this team Coop or DJAX? and if Coop can do what he did and stay and Jackson has not done anything close to that and is far more important then why would you get rid of him but not Coop

    • RIP illa

      Cuz Djax’s a gangsta and Coop’s just a good ol’ country boy? Your guess is as good as mine on that one. Unless they’re still holding 2011 against DJax and failing to acknowledge any part they played in it. And that part was huge!!!

    • Nfl All Day

      Straight up! Here on out, any of these nuts wants to talk that Desean=distraction mess…..RILEY F. COOPER & and a SHUT THE F#CK UP PLEASE. Thank you.

      • Kev_H

        Cooper is a versatile player, and is paid back up money, and didn’t do anything wrong at work. I’m glad he got busted and it probably made him grow up a little bit and become a better player and person, but if you followed most players around with a cell phone when they were drunk in public you’d likely hear slurs, insults, and offensive, inexcusable language. It’s weird because when Vick got locked up, I’d read that killing dogs was “part of his culture” which I think is highly offensive. Yet almost any time I’ve been out somewhere, including just about every Eagles game I’ve been to, where people are drinking, I hear people saying all sorts of offensive ish. Yet people act like Cooper crossed some line when he did something that you see/hear every 5 yards walking through the parking lot at an Eagles game.

        • Nfl All Day

          You’ll see how versitile Cooper is, getting double teamed with 4.6 speed. He covers kicks and play wr. He doesn’t line up in the back field. Doesn’t take reverses, hand offs, return kicks. Your arguing the ability of a guy who’s production is on par with James Thrash? And your constant attempts to downplay the severity of the Cooper incident say a ton about YOU and where your mind and morals are. We know what context his words were spoken in.We have no idea what transpired in Minnesota or why? I don’t need my athletes to be role models, so long as they’re not murders, rapist, and the like. For that reason I can accept Cooper or Jackson on my team. But don’t try to tell me that situation didn’t put the entire chemistry of the team in jeopardy! It’s a credit to the men in that locker room they were able to come together and form a cohesive unit. Your argument is foolish and ignorant.

    • David

      That’s one reason why this whole media storm seems fishy. Doesn’t make sense that Chip would be so determined to keep Cooper after what he did but would get rid of Jackson because he’s a “distraction.” DJax for a third round pick (even a 2nd) makes zero football sense. There would have to be major major unreported issues–much bigger than Cooper’s huge issue–to warrant giving him away for a midrounder.

      • Maggie

        The people running the business of football are way more concerned about value for the money, which position is of most value to the current team, and are almost completely unconcerned about a drunken remark at a concert. Football is a BUSINESS, with very little room for emotional likes or dislikes. The Front Office of any business DOES NOT CARE about the emotional responses of people like you or me. The only consideration given to “fans” is calculating how much to charge for tickets, which is not a concern of the Head Coach or General Manager of football operations.

  • oreofestar

    Jesus…just refreshed the page and the reply box is at 79

  • Andrew

    goddammit would chip just fucking call desean and tell him its gonna be aite?

  • NickS1

    Here’s a different thought. Does anyone remember all the “when Chip gets his guys in here…” talk? Well, is it a possibility that, since Desean was already here, that he may just not be a “Chip guy”?

    • Nfl All Day

      But Cooper is? What are you saying about Chip?

      • NickS1

        He re-signed him. I’m just throwing out the question. Doesn’t mean I believe it.

      • Maggie

        Cooper and Jackson do not play the same position. And Chip likes players who are “versatile”. DJax’s value, to another team, will never be higher than this year. It’s as simple as that.

        • Nfl All Day

          Are you trying to say Jackson is one dimensional? Because we saw him catch passes, take hand offs, return kicks…. only thing he didn’t do was cover kicks, because they didn’t ask him to.

          Yes his value is at an all time high. For that matter so are Shady and Foles. You wanna trade them too? Say what you want, you can’t deny is a step back. You’re giving up a known entity for a few (hopefully a few) maybes. Not to mention trying to sell a wr at a time when teams have a ton of cheaper options in the Draft. Which actually hurts his value. You’re bringing very expensive sand to the beach.

    • GEAGLE

      You still not explaining why a secretly run organization would let this leak and drastically lower his trade value? We would NEVER hear about this, pretend like we don’t want to trade him, and make someone cough up some value for his services,,,you Damn SURE wouldn’t be hearing that Howie is willing to take a 3rd after what Harvin got traded for. This is NOT real…Howie would have played it SOOO wrong, and I think he is better than that

      • NickS1

        How much do you really expect to get in return for a $10mil/year contract?

        • oreofestar

          Seahawks gave up a 1st 3rd and 7th for an inferior player and then gave him a 6 year 67mil deal which is way more then what Desean got

          • NickS1

            Stop comparing him to Percy Harvin. Harvin was on a rookie deal and they valued him enough to give him the money AFTER the trade. Jesus.

          • oreofestar

            I am saying Harvin because in terms of the whole diva personality but huge talent thing I think they are similar that is all…

          • NickS1

            You’re using the trade from the deal as well.

          • oreofestar

            Because that is what I think Desean is worth you do not have to agree

          • NickS1

            Let me get my blinders, be right back.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            You can’t discount that deal to help determine market trade value. While you can’t compare the two players as “equals”, you do need to use that deal in your negotiations as a basis of what you can/should expect.

          • NickS1

            You’re discussing trades of two players in two different contract situations at the time of trade. You have a formula for how to factor all of that in?

          • GEAGLE

            Inferior, FRAGILE as FOCK player

        • GEAGLE

          A 3rd rounder dude? Come on

          • NickS1

            You can pay a whole draft for less than 10mil bro. I didn’t say I like it. But we need to be realistic.

          • GEAGLE

            You know what being realistic is? Desean AINT getting traded for a damn third round pick..that’s realistic!!

          • NickS1

            I’d hope not. If a market doesn’t develop as hoped they may have pigeonholed themselves, though.

        • Nfl All Day

          $12.7M & depends who’s contract it is. For Desean? A duece. Minimum

          • NickS1

            10.75. The extra two is proration from the signing bonus. And a 2nd is what I’d think would happen, and is very possibly the maximum.

      • dollamakeuholla

        is it really a Leak if they are entertaining offers from other teams. Those other teams might not be so secretly run? Just a thought

    • Kev_H

      I think Eagle fans overrate Jackson because of the periodic spectacular play. I know they sure have lost a lot of games and underachieved as a team quite a bit while relying on him as one of their big guns. If he was all that, why haven’t they won a playoff game in the last 5 years?

      • NickS1

        It’s not like Andre Johnson is piling up postseason wins, Kev.

      • MAC

        So is Calvin Johnson over rated then? Since Detroit has 0 playoff wins with him? How about Adrian Peterson over rated since in last 5 years Vikings have not won any playoff games?

        Nice try on the subtle insult though man. Your premise is very flawed and not well thought out at all.

  • ICDogg
  • Nfl All Day

    Twitter broke. Servers flooded with the tears of distraught Eagles fans. #trending re-branded…..#Desean-ing. True story.

  • Nfl All Day
  • dollamakeuholla

    chip Kelly quote last year after draft

    Quite frankly, Kelly wants his players to understand why decisions are made before they read about it in the media.

    “I’m really big on open communication,” Kelly said. “I don’t want there to be gray areas. I think sometimes there are gray areas because there’s a lack of communication between people. This is what we did and it’s the same message that they had when they sat in this room on the first day I met them. a 10 mill

    • dollamakeuholla

      all it takes is one statement from Chip and all this goes away! I don’t take Chip as someone who wants to try and play mind games with his players in only his second year

    • RIP illa

      Well in Gunn’s article it was stated that the team contacted him last week. This is a contradiction to Tim’s article.

      • dollamakeuholla

        He also said that they were trying to trade him last year at the draft for a 2nd and didn’t work out. Maybe he is just not a Chip Guy

    • Brazilnut

      So basically if Desean was getting shopped he’d know about it.

      • dollamakeuholla

        i would think more along the lines that if he wasn’t being shopped Kelly would have let him know not to pay attention to all of this!

        • Brazilnut

          If theres nothing to the rumors then there is nothing to let him know about.

  • Explorer51

    I wrote this here exactly one month ago, before they re-signed Maclin and Cooper and a few folks sarcastically dismissed the possibility:

    “Just to be provocative, and not saying I’d like this at all, but is it possible in any universe for this to happen:

    Because DeSean Jackson is set to make $10+M this year, and because he may be (assumed not confirmed) unhappy with his lack of contractual security; and because there are lots of big, fast WRs in this draft; and because there’s a quick, little multi-purpose Chip Kelly guy (DAT) potentially available as a later round pick…could the Eagles do an unexpected trade of Jackson for picks in this talent-rich draft? After a career year, his trade value may never be higher and I’m not sure I can see them paying him in the $12-15M range he may want for future years when they may be able to lock up a future #1 WR in this draft for much less money over three years.

    Obviously a huge gamble (no pun intended on our own front office Gamble) but who knows with Chip?”

    • NickS1

      You weren’t alone, either.

      • Explorer51

        I know Nick; we’re all fans so it’s hard to put the emotion aside, particularly for a popular albeit polarizing player. There are just too many things lined up (big contract, lots of WRs in draft, possibility that he’s not a Chip type) to at least consider that the Eagles would listen to some trade chatter. Of course, the reasons the Eagles might be interested parallel the reasons why it would be difficult! I really think the Kelly and the FO look at the likely contending window to be next year or the following one; at Jackson’s ascending price tag there’s no way he’s here then. What’s that popular saying, better to trade a player a year early than a year late?

        • NickS1

          I’ve certainly heard that before. We’ll see how it plays out.

        • Nfl All Day

          2014 is actually the highest salaried year of the deal. It doesn’t ascend, it only goes down from here. (Same for Shady, even more dramatically, before we start that drum beat. ) I agree that they are shooting for next year and beyond as far as SB aspirations, which is why to move makes little sense. If the goal is a year or more out, why resign an aging Peters? Trade away a 5th and resign Sproles? Why not trade Trent and DeMeco instead? You could wait until summer and convert a portion of DJax salary to a guaranteed bonus and make the kid happy. How does Desean not fit the culture, and Cooper does? How is Desean cursing out a position coach equal or worse than what Cooper did? None of this makes ANY SENSE. If they are serious about this they’ll lose a ton of capital with the fans. And they better be right or the boo birds will return.

          • Kev_H

            I’ll bite. Cooper got drunk at a concert and acted like a drunk at a concert. The only reason it was even an issue is because somebody caught it with their cell phone. I don’t think the Eagles really care what their guys do at concerts and I imagine if you would have filmed Jackson at the Nipsey Hussle concert last week you could probably find something that offends somebody.

            Jackson disrupted the work place. Coaches and teammates were unable to optimally carry out their tasks to prepare for the next series because of him. Circular firing squads don’t help you win championships.

          • Nfl All Day

            And if my brother had jugs he’d be my sister. But what happened, happened, and was way more detrimental to team health than an argument with a coach. You sound dumb trying to use hypotheticals to support an already flawed argument.

          • NickS1

            Desean’s deal goes down, technically. But only to 9.75 for ’15 and ’16 from the 10.5 this year, keeping his cap hit at 12 for those years because of workout bonuses. So, yeah, it goes down on year and plateaus for the second, but 750k isn’t exactly a significant decline when the dollars are that high. ’15 is the highest year of Shady’s deal, so, you should check your info on that.

          • Nfl All Day

            How’s this? Chip assured the kid he’s here for ’14, so enough of this dumbass topic, and shame on me for giving it any validity. Hate on haters….

  • Weapon Y

    I would go from being a staunch Chip Kelly supporter to the most anti-Chip Kelly guy if the Eagles traded DeSean Jackson for anything less in value than a top-20 1st round draft pick

    • BleedGreenJames

      Well if the trade happens it won’t be for a pick even close to that high

      • Weapon Y

        If you’re right, the Eagles would be getting ripped off. DeSean is certainly better than what the 21st best player of this rookie class will be.

        • NickS1

          You know that how?

          • Weapon Y

            Obviously I don’t know. There’s thing called predicting people do. It’s actually quite useful. It helps people make decisions.

          • NickS1

            Well if he’s “is certainly better than…. player will be”, it would seem that you do know. So please, pray tell.

          • anon

            Name one third round wr you think would be better. Funny we sign the guy who drops the n word before fa and then we trade the work horse wr, like he’s the cancer.

          • Maggie

            Yes, and some drunken Eagles fans booed Santa Claus, how many years ago? At some point you’ve got to let the past go. Any time you keep on carrying around another person’s stupidity, you weigh yourself down, not them.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            No offense to you anon, but that was well said Mags.

          • Brazilnut

            Drunkenly dropping the n word at a concert is somehow worse than being a constant distraction over your contract when you just got a new one?

          • NickS1

            Did they trade him for a third rounder, anon? Come on, man. And how many incidents does Cooper have aside from the Chesney concert? Did he not go to teammates to ask forgiveness and show remorse? What’s Desean ever done to try to make right the stupid nonsense he brings?

        • BleedGreenJames

          To be fair, DeSean was had at pick 49 in a very thin WR draft. I love DeSean as much as the next guy and think he’s incredible for our offense, but to think a receiver of similar or perhaps better ability couldn’t be found in such a loaded draft isn’t a plausible way to look at things.

          But like I said, I’d be stunned if they got a 2nd for DeSean, let alone a top-20 selection.

        • DoctorRick

          What he said. High second maybe but not a first. Just too many WRs available , esp in the draft.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Would you take two late 2nds from say 49ers? Would equate to picks #56 & #61.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Percy Harvin deal netted a 1st (#25 – Xavier Rhodes) & 7th in 2013 & 4th in 2014 for MIN from SEA. That’s probably the best basis we would have recently, no?

        So does DJax warrant greater, less, or equal to that?

        I would assume this deep WR class would lower his value.

        • Brazilnut

          DJax won’t get anywhere near the compensation that Harvin did, and rightfully so. Jackson is older, inconsistent and slightly smaller, plus he isn’t nearly as good of a receiver.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            So what would you consider to be adequate return value? I know a lot of people just ignore this because of his numbers, but as you mentioned, DJax being smaller does impact his trade market. So ultimately does his value to some teams. But it only takes one team to pony up what you’d consider to be a good return.

            I’m not openly on board with trading him. But I do understand if they do and are willing to take a step backward, to possibly hopefully take 2 steps forward.

  • RIP illa

    So has anyone missed that the league assess our cap at 16 and something million?

    • NickS1

      18mil says eaglescap.com. Assuming nothing happens, roughly 6-7 mil in rookie deals, carrying over 11-12.

      EDIT: Not calling EC the bible. Just noting.

      • RIP illa

        16.2 according to official league records. So who are we to believe?

        • NickS1

          16.2 it is! 10-11 carryover.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Wonder if EC doesn’t have Allen factored in yet? That sounds about the difference.

          Here is a good question…Why can’t there be an official NFL site that tracks & updates the cap numbers? Kinda like wall street reports stock prices. Don’t think it’s too much to ask given the league makes billions.

          • RIP illa

            I have no idea but that needs to be implemented ASAP and you should get royalties for the idea.

  • http://thewarriors.wikia.com/wiki/Cleon Where’s Cleon?.

    If we trade Desean we need to get bigger WR threat,i’ll take KB and call it a day..I respect his talent but u just have too do whats best for the team..JACCPOT will be missed.

  • DoctorRick

    Great article, Sheil.
    The quoted writers make some good points as well. The take home for me id that there will be some BPAs available at our spots.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Maybe it’s just me, but I absolutely do not see Kony Ealy as an NFL OLB. 4-3 DE, 3-4 DE, maybe even 4-3 DT. But NOT 3-4 OLB. He’s about as quick as molasses in space.

    • RIP illa

      That’s doesn’t seem right…If Paul Kruger can be a OLB in the 3-4 then so could Kony. That’s how I look at it, at least. So yes he may not be the perfect fit, but it has been done before to varying degrees of success, along with failures.

  • Ertz Donut

    Desean traded to Raiders for 3rd rounder. Crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!!

  • ia

    I think what the Eagles are doing is not disrespectful to Desean. He wanted more money so they give other teams the chance to offer Desean more, so he can get what he wants. So if noone offers him more he will com down back to earth.
    I believe Kelly is very respectful and that’s the way they are presenting it to Desean.