Five Thoughts: State Of the Eagles

Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson (10) returns a punt return against the Detroit Lions during the fourth quarter of the Snow Bowl

From DeSean Jackson to the lack of additions on defense, here are five thoughts on the current state of the Eagles.

1. If you would have told me three weeks ago that the Eagles would get to March 18 with just one new defensive starter (or even rotational player) in free agency, I would have been surprised. Last offseason, the Eagles added Connor Barwin, Isaac Sopoaga, Bradley Fletcher, Cary Williams and Patrick Chung – five new starters as they moved from a 4-3 to a 3-4. The defense showed strides from Week 1 to the end of the season, but still finished 23rd overall, per Football Outsiders’ rankings.




This season, the team added one starting-caliber player: Malcolm Jenkins. That's it. I'm sure there were other players the Eagles were interested in, but price tags didn't match their evaluations.

One thing to keep in mind here is expectations. Even when the Eagles' defense struggled at times last season, Chip Kelly was rarely critical publicly. The opposite was true for the offense: He demanded perfection. That speaks to the identity of the team. When the Eagles go up against an offensive juggernaut like the Broncos, Kelly's thought process is never: Let's slow it down and keep them off the field. Instead, it's: Let's get the ball as many times as we can and outscore them.

The Eagles will still have opportunities to upgrade talent in the draft, but instead of switching up a lot of personnel, it seems instead the plan is to focus on existing players improving in their second year in the scheme.

It also seems likely that the 2014 Eagles will have a similar identity to the 2013 Eagles: Put up a lot of points and ask the defense to do enough to win games.

2. Sticking with the defense, Kelly did his best job of selling the Jenkins signing last week, saying it had nothing to do with money and everything to do with Jenkins' versatility.

I'm not buying it.

To say that Jenkins is a better scheme fit than Jairus Byrd is silly. Greg Cosell of NFL films recently outlined the four aspects of safety play he focuses on when evaluating players: tackling, playing as the single-high defender, playing in two-deep coverage and playing in man coverage. The only area where Jenkins might have an edge on Byrd there is man coverage.

In other words, if you asked 32 head coaches whether they'd rather have Byrd or Jenkins (price being equal), I'm pretty sure all 32 would choose Byrd.

The problem is the price tags weren't equal. Howie Roseman wanted to maintain financial flexibility for next offseason. The guess here is the Eagles didn't want to spend big money on a player who lacks elite size and athleticism (not to mention the fact that he missed five games last year because of plantar fasciitis). They decided those concerns did not warrant the big-money deal he got from the Saints. That's understandable.

But make no mistake about it: Byrd could have played well in Billy Davis' scheme and been a difference-maker.

3. Let's talk DeSean Jackson. T-Mac did a terrific job yesterday of laying out what we know and what we don't know at this point. I noticed there was some backlash about the speculation, rumors, etc. And I think I know why: Cutting ties with Jackson would be a devastating blow to the fan base.

Earlier this month, I spelled out the reasons why I thought moving Jackson would be a mistake. In short, he's one of the top vertical threats in the game. He was a fantastic fit for this offense in 2013. And aside from his numbers, he opens things up for his teammates (see: Riley Cooper). Without Jackson in the fold, this is suddenly a below-average group of wide receivers.

Having said that, it's difficult to believe there's nothing going on with the 27-year-old wide receiver. The truth is this whole thing could be squashed with one simple statement (either on the record or off the record) from Kelly, Howie Roseman or someone else in the Eagles' organization: "We don't comment on rumors, but DeSean did a great job in 2013, and we expect more of the same going forward."

That's it. Yet no one is saying anything close to that. It's gotten to the point where Jackson is unsure of his standing with the team.

In my opinion, one of two things is happening. One, the team is looking to move Jackson. Or two, the rumors are unfounded, but given Jackson's comments about his contract following the season, the team is in no mood to provide him any reassurances. The second scenario is less likely, given Kelly's open-communication policy and the fact that we saw how a distracted Jackson performed back in 2011.

So for now, we'll continue to keep an eye on the situation and see what happens. But I would be surprised if we don't hear anything else about Jackson between now and spring practices.

4. The Eagles did not make any moves at inside linebacker in free agency, but I think one player who could be affected by some of the additions is DeMeco Ryans.

Cornerback Nolan Carroll said he's looking to compete for a starting job. But it would not be surprising if the Eagles installed a dime package this spring with Carroll, Cary Williams, Bradley Fletcher, Brandon Boykin and two safeties on the field together (along with one inside linebacker, a 4-1-6).

Ryans played well against the run last season, but his value is diminished on passing downs. When the Eagles get offenses in third-and-long situations, it makes sense to go with an extra defensive back. Davis would still have some versatile pieces he could move around up front in Mychal Kendricks and Connor Barwin. But given that Ryans hasn't proven to be great in coverage or as a pass-rusher, it makes sense to give him more of a breather.

If not Carroll, perhaps the Eagles add a third safety to the mix. We'll see how the roster fills out after the draft, but I'm expecting Davis to change up his sub packages in 2014, if the personnel allows for it.

5. At the skill positions on offense, the team has parted ways with Jason Avant and added Jeremy Maclin and Darren Sproles.

A reasonable question is: Will there be enough touches to go around?

While Avant only caught 38 balls last year, he was targeted 76 times - third-most on the team. Right away, those will get distributed to guys like Sproles and Maclin. Cooper, meanwhile, was second on the team in targets (84). I would expect that number to come down, given the other additions.

And one final factor to consider: Don't be surprised if Kelly wants to play faster in Year 2. Remember, last year, he was installing a new offense, developing a new culture and getting acclimated to new surroundings. There were new faces and a lot of roster turnover from the previous season.

This time around, there figures to be more familiarity. The Eagles moved fast at times in 2013, but reaching the tempo Kelly desires is a process. A faster pace in 2014 could lead to more plays and more opportunities for the Eagles' offensive weapons to get their hands on the football.

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  • PaoliBulldog

    I wonder if the Eagles have talked to Ryans about restructuring his deal. That said, he played an awful lot of snaps last season, and he’d benefit from coming off the field in nickel/dime situations.

    • GEAGLE

      Absolutely…with that said, we are also under rating him in coverage. He does some things really well, like knocking WR on their ass disrupting timing. Had a career year in INTs…but yes, we need subpackage coverage alternatives, and players who can give him a breather

      • poetx99

        i was about to make this point. ryans stuck out to me on how well he played those 3rd and short, 3rd and middle distance situations by completely blowing up receivers and knocking them off their routes.

        where he could come off the field is in 3rd and longs where the routes are more vertical. either that, or teach the ‘knock the receiver on their ass’ trick to a younger, faster LB.

    • JofreyRice

      The same thought occurred to me. Being paid 6 mil as a base defense player (and Houston’s cap problems) are why the Eagles were able to grab Ryans. In our 4-3, and last year’s 3-4, he was a 3 down linebacker, but I think we can all agree he was poor on that third down.

      I don’t want to see him out there again on 3rd and 8’s next year. I think Barwin and Kendricks, with 4 down linemen and 5 DBs would be a better way to defend those downs. You could probably get by with Graham/Cole on the edges, and Cox/Curry inside, but I’d love to see them add another rusher.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        I think we all agree on that, even Davis. Just a matter of getting 5 DBs worth putting on an NFL field.

        • Clamdigger

          4: Cole, Cox, Curry, Graham
          2: Barwin, Kendricks
          5: Williams, Fletcher, Boykin, Jenkins, Wolff

          Even without the draft, I could see that working fairly well.

          • aub32

            Not a fearsome group, but definitely serviceable.

          • Weapon Y

            Would love to add Van Noy into that group somewhere

        • Ark87

          As it stands it is probably who? Williams, Fletcher, Boykin, Jenkins, and Wolff/Allen. Not awesome, but I’m alright with that. Def need the pass rush to get home though. Probably won’t be crediting too many sacks to the coverage.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I’d say Carroll is in the mix. We saw Roc come off the bench some last year, IMO that is the biggest upgrade we made in FA. Carroll is far better than Roc or Marsh.

          • Ark87

            so maybe like Wolff/Allen/Carroll

            Well it’s weird I suppose, Jenkins strength is man coverage, So which safety does that leave to play single high?

            Maybe it’s Jenkins vs carroll playing man up on a WR, then at the single high it would be Jenkinsvs Allen vs Wolff

          • aub32

            IDK. We went from Chung -> Jenkins and Roc -> Carroll. Which would you say is the bigger upgrade. I feel that the Chung upgrade was significantly more important.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            yea, toss-up between the two to me. I only went with CB assuming Davis refuses to play Boykin outside again.
            At least for a little while, we had Allen and Wolff together. And depth at CB is always more important than Safety IMO, which position group is more likely to have its backups seeing snaps?
            I’m also biased by the Roc Soccer play, and the one 3rd down he had to play against the saints when Sconces came out and we all knew he was giving up that 1st down

          • aub32

            Could anything have been more obvious? Cary was screaming trying to get into the play, and I just knew there was doom impending. I don’t think I would have felt good about Allen and Wolff starting. Allen is still a reclamation project, and Wolff is still wet behind the ears and lacks instinct. I would go with the Jenkins signing because maybe….just maybe we won’t have to see our CBs lining up 8-12 yards off the ball.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            fair. I’m glad they got 1 of each, to be honest, I know everyone is upset about Byrd/Ward, but after them Jenkins was the only one worth signing IMO. And Carroll came out of left field, figured someone was paying him starting money. Even if all 3 CBs are pretty average, that’s 1 more quality/starting-caliber CB than we had last year.
            Again, assuming the rush is addressed through draft and player/scheme familiarity, I think we’ll be a little better in the back end, and hopefully get off the field on a few more 3rd downs.

  • Joe Thomas

    Chip cant make the mistake of ignoring the defense. Great defenses usually beat great offenses. Seahawks- Broncos, Bucs-Raiders, and the list goes on. We need a defense to fall back on.

    • James Hathaway

      We need to have a defense that is in the top of key categories: Turn Overs, 3rd Down Conversion, Points Allowed, Sacks. We do NOT need to be a defense that is in the tops of Yards allowed. The Saints beat the Colts with an opportunistic defense + a prolific offense. That’s the formula that we need to go after.

      • GEAGLE

        Exactly!! Last years defense, was just getting off the field on 3rd down away from being a pretty damn good defense, if you blow so many 3rd and long opportunities, it means your base defense had to be playing well to give us those situations to blow…
        ..
        We need pass rush, and subpackage cover guys(not even starters), then we need to shut up, and let our puppies grow, and let everyone gel! and we will be fine. We already force turnovers last year, and our high powered offense should pressure opposing offenses into mistakes trying to keep up with us, that our defense can captilize on,..

        • Joe Thomas

          3rd downs is really what killed them. Giving up them long drives kept our offense off the field too long. Imagine how much better our offense will be with a strong defense getting them more oppurtunities

    • GEAGLE

      He won’t…just silly media talk. He demanded perfection out of his offense because it was a veteran group…he would have to be a fool to expect perfection out of a bunch of kids and new players on defense, some of which had never played in this scheme, using these techniques,, it was easier for him to get the offense going, and we needed offense to Cary our defense! but the defense will catch up by 2015. Defense is about cohesion..it don’t just click overnight, no matter how much we want it to..and considering how fast Billy got them to click, I think we are kidding ourselves if we expect to see an average defense in 2015…Billy will bring back the philly defense we all love! he just needs a little time! and the right young athletes.

  • Brandon Schlosser

    I think this is the perfect season to move Desean, but only if you can get a Percy Harvin type deal. Desean has to have better numbers than Harvin right? With this draft class (especially at WR) and our lack of picks in the draft I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see at least 2 players traded and a draft day trade down from 22. If we get a 1 for Jackson I definitely see a trade down at 22. Then again the deep draft could hurt #10’s trade value…
    Too bad Al Davis isn’t around anymore.

    • James Hathaway

      If he goes anywhere, he goes to the Panthers, IMO. They are completely devoid of any offensive talent. Plugging DJacc in would make them scary. Also, Carolina plays us at home later.. that could be even more interesting if it happens.

      • James Hathaway

        I would’ve also considered the Chiefs, but Alex Smith doesn’t have the arm to get Desean involved deep, so it negates his primary skill set. I can’t see the Jets trading for him, seeing how Rex is freaking out about CB depth.

        • GEAGLE

          Lol…would be so much fun watching Andy send Deseans deep over and over with Alex balls landing 20 yards short. Desean would lose his mind

        • Explorer51

          There’s plenty of speculation in KC because of AR, their lack of playmaking WRs, and, now, because they lost out on Emmanuel Sanders; issue for them, and presumably most other teams, is that $10+ M price tag, that will go up next year.

      • GEAGLE

        No chance we trade him to one of our playoff competitors IMO. If he gets traded we are shipping his ass back to Cali! Niners or raiders

        • dnabrice

          The Raiders need players, have cap space, might be willing to part with picks. It gets DeSean $$$, which he gets finicky about, and close to home. I think this whole conversation is dumb though, and he’s a very solid and important part of our team. I only do it if we get a first rounder this year. And we BETTER hit on that pick.

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t think we would ever want to trade Desean to Niners..but they need to get over the hump soon, and have so much trade ammunition, that we would have to consider doing a Deal with them, even if they are in the NFC

          • ceedubya9

            This would be my fear. Don’t want to make that team any stronger.

          • GEAGLE

            Same but they have SOOO many juicy draft picks that they could give up

          • JofreyRice

            if they flip him to the Raiders, I want Denarius Moore & a pick.

            Reggie McKenzie is really falling on his face out there.

          • GEAGLE

            Reggie Mckenzie is operating like a complete joke

          • GEAGLE

            Praying raiders go full retard and take Mike Wallace contract

        • Syracuse Eagle Fan

          I think an acceptable trade for DJ would be with Miami for Dion Jordan and swap of first round picks and we draft a WR in the first round.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol I’ll trade any offensive player besides FOles,shady,Ertz,Lane or Kelce for Dion. But I’m a Dion maniac so take it for what it’s worth

          • jesse

            Told you yesterday is our 22 and Djax for Jordan and Wallace lol

          • James Hathaway

            Why would Miami want TWO Desean Jackson’s with Mike Wallace and… Desean Jackson?

      • Jarrod

        I don’t think the Panthers can offer us the package we would want for him. I want a first that is higher than ours (1-15).

      • pjcostello

        They don’t have the cap space, which is part of the reason they lost their top three receivers. Too much invested in their D-line and all those RBs.

    • seanstradomus

      Brandon gahram ,Bryce brown = draft picks

      • Richard Colton

        If a team likes BB, they can have him for free when we cut down to 53. Why give up anything for him? And Graham will be a one year rental for a team. He might be worth a 6th or 7th.

      • Jernst

        Bryce Brown, who I truly believe has serious elite potential as a runner and is worth keeping around to find out, is worth NOTHING in a trade. Seriously, how much would you trade for another teams no name 3rd running back who did nothing last year? Why does everyone think we can trade the bottom of our roster for serious draft picks.

        By the way, Graham is worth next to nothing. He’s a limited pass rusher who has never actually put it all together and been productive and he’s never fully recovered after microfracture surgery, leaving him undersized AND with limited mobility. He’d be at best a decent, player for out of place unproductive player trading piece, but if you think you’d get more than a 5th rounder for Graham then I want what you’re smoking.

  • GEAGLE

    That twerp Gonzo says the “situation with the eagles and Desean is getting out of hand” but I don’t know what that means because I refuse to read any of his articles. It’s on csnphilly

    • James Hathaway

      I hate him so much. Colleen is an angel.

      • GEAGLE

        I can’t even explain how bad I want to head butt him, and go all Charles Barkley and throw gonzo thru a restaurant window. I dream of it lol

    • Jarrod

      He basically links to everyone else’s article and says the same things (Rumors were started, Jackson has heard rumors, no one has reached out to Jackson) then concludes that the situation has reached critical mass and we should “brace for the attendant boom”

      • GEAGLE

        Lol thanks

  • Sean

    Last year was Defense heavy in FA & Offense heavy in the early rounds of the draft… I see the opposite starting to happen this off-season.

    Unless Mike Evans or a can’t miss offensive player is there at 22, I just don’t see them going offense with that first rd pick.

    • JofreyRice

      What’s the opposite of special teams? Because that should be what they go after in the draft.

      • GEAGLE

        Equipment managers/cheerleaders?

      • Sean

        My comment was about the rd 1 pick… But thanks for stating the obvious. You don’t normally get a guy that’s going to just contribute on ST in round 1.

        • Richard Colton

          We haven’t signed one offensive Free Agent. So how is it shaping up that way? You might be really disappointed when we go Offense with our first three picks

          • cliff henny

            convert #4! PA-LENTY of room on the bandwagon! Cooper and Maclin technical were. draft Beckham, he’ll be best returner we’ve seen since Mitchell

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I’m almost on the wagon as well, had some weird madden dreams last night with Shady and Sproles….

          • cliff henny

            yup, see mine this morning? really hope all this Djax BS is contract posturing. part that i’m excited for, is defenses will never see the same unit come out twice in a row. defenses will be hanging on, guessing which 5 will be coming out. that’s really what he did at Oregon. he ran about 5 different offenses. eagles didn’t have diverse enough players last year to run that many.

          • pjcostello

            Sproles…? I know he was technically a trade, but same thing.

            There’s no room on offense for three new players. No offensive line spots, no WR, no TE, no RB. Sure, we can use backups, and maybe someone to compete for a job with a veteran (i.e., Herremans), but I don’t think so.

          • Richard Colton

            You’re right. Sproles was a trade.

            You can’t find a place for three new players on offense? A bit short sighted. Todd Herremans gave up 48 hurries last year, 1st at his position, and Barbre couldn’t even take his job. Think we might be thin at Guard. Who is our right tackle of the future? Backup QB? Name another WR currently on the roster who is a lock to be here beyond 2015. Not Maclin. Not even Jackson. We have one quality young TE on the roster. I think Chip would prefer two.

            I want to talk myself into the Eagles drafting defense in May. Let’s not pretend it would be a tremendous surprise if it’s heavy on offense.

  • ochospantalones

    I would like to see the birds take a look at Anthony Spencer from the Cowboys. He’s an experienced 3-4 outside linebacker, and while he was probably a bit overrated coming in to last year he should be cheap coming off of a knee injury. For me, a pass-rushing outside linebacker is the biggest area of need on the entire team.

    • GEAGLE

      No…just no….he sucks. I want nothing to do with that career loser. Hope he signs with the giants

      • Richard Colton

        Giants are dream-teaming it up, aren’t they?

        • GEAGLE

          Welfare version of it, but yeah ,front office trying to quick fix enough to save their jobs..same mistake we made, keeping Andy here two years too many. They are worthless until they blow it up and rebuild..they are just prolonging the inevitable and giving us more of a head start

          • Richard Colton

            Early fav to go 3-13. Coughlin fired. They win the Mariotta sweepstakes.

          • cliff henny

            they just extended him thru ’15. between him and Eli, that’s a lame duck franchise. Dallas, they’re trying to squeeze blood out of a stone with Romo and getting Garrett further and further from being decision maker on anything, and anyone really think the guy who developed Andy Dalton is going to work magic on RG3. by ’16, Kelly will have 3 new coaches he can hang 50 on.

          • Richard Colton

            Did they really? Ohh man.

          • cliff henny

            yup, Eli is pretty much done after ’15, hopefully extend him, but doubtful. think he’ll be 35 or 36, surprisingly. unless Washington somehow turns RG3 around, but so far rest of team has been in neutral, cant see how its not Philly’s division for some time.

          • GEAGLE

            I would love that…our coach knowing everything about our rivals franchise QB? Yes please

      • JofreyRice

        The guy we traded with Dallas for, to drop back and get Kevin Kloob.

  • JofreyRice

    Thought 2: CHURCH!

    Ditto on the TJ Ward “didn’t fit” line of baloney. Like I said before, Patrick Chung fit just fine, and Ward is who they would have loved him to be when they signed him off of New England’s bench. Now if Ward had some mind-meld with Tom Heckert, and wanted to play in Denver, come hell or high water, that’s one thing, but lets not pretend that he wouldn’t have “fit”.

    And I know that everyone thinks that Earl Thomas is the best safety in the history of the world now, but the big knock on him coming out of Texas–and I’m sure Spadaro mentioned this when folks were screaming about the Eagles taking Graham ahead of him–was that he was smallish and somewhat weak against the run. A player that was instrumental in a Superbowl winning defense.

    • GEAGLE

      Ward absolutely fit, probably even better then Byrd if we are continuing to go the bend but don’t breaks route..he is literally everything we wish Chung was when we brought him here…I wanted Ward AND Jenkins, but I get the impression that they are high on Wolff and didn’t want to add two veterans he couldn’t beat out in camp..Nate is quality competition for the kid! but not so much competition that Wolff has no shot at winning the job. Signing Nate to a 1yr deal screams of insurance policy in case Wolff doesn’t improve the way we are expecting him to improve..if Wolff pans out. Then Nate goes from Wolffs insurance policy, to our 3rd safety stop gap(til we draft that player).

      • JofreyRice

        It was all about money. They didn’t want to commit to a FA like that for whatever reason–the stated “2012 draft class/financial flexibility angle” or Haunted Howie syndrome, or some combination of the two. They used 3 safety looks last year, and you never know when injury is gonna strike, so having 3 viable starters is a fine situation to be in.

        They didn’t choose to pass up Byrd and Ward because they were afraid Wolff would be stuck on the bench, they just didn’t want to pay those guys, or commit to them for a significant amount of years.

        • GEAGLE

          Think we are petrified of losing good players we draft, I think they are expecting to kick the drafts ass these next two years and maintain that Cap Flex. Draft well, and they will prove brilliant. Misfire, and we will be pissed by the lack of spending

        • James Hathaway

          Call me crazy, but I’m pretty content with our top 3 safeties. Doesn’t mean there isn’t room for an upgrade, but we are solid there. Get better pass rushers, and maybe a sure-fire #1 CB, and I think we’re good.

          • James Hathaway

            and as I type a comment about being solid at safety, they post another article. See you over there, Geags.

          • GEAGLE

            What other article?

          • George

            Yeah I don’t see anything

          • James Hathaway

            I’m confused. An article about Nate Allen and the safety outlook popped up on my timeline. I need coffee.

          • GEAGLE

            That was posted this morning…this is more recent

        • GEAGLE

          In fairness, I’m a crazed Jarius fan, and I wouldn’t want to see them pay him what the saints gave him…I actually found Ward to be decent value considering the contract he signed..
          ..
          Think Ward was a blown oportunity. BUT the biggest blown opportunity was MJ, who we were Inteested for about 7 hours. Considering the premium placed on pass rushers in the draft and free agency, I think MJ signed a very fair contract…I would have actually rather seen them sign him and Jenkins then Jenkins and Ward/byrd

    • Chris Henson

      Ward isn’t versatile at all. Ward is a linebacker at safety. Lives in the run. Ward and Chung only compare in hitting. Ward is a really good safety but not a fit for us. Byrd would have fit but that deal was outrageous and disrespectful on the part of Jimmy Graham. I agree on Thomas. Just bad scouting at the time.

  • James Hathaway

    I’m amazed that the Giants thought it was a good idea to sign DRC to a 5 year deal, fresh off him announcing that he doesn’t even really like football, and was close to retiring. What is going on up there?

    • GEAGLE

      So dumb…basically GM and HC are desperate to keep their jobs, and they are trying for quick fixes instead of building the way they always have when they had success. It’s basically their welfare version of he the dream team…can’t wait to run the ball 30times right at DRC, and I’d take Desean your of the game and force DRC to match up with Ertz or Cooper and just watch them beat him up and demoralize him all game

  • GEAGLE

    If I’m Chip, I shut the media down this year, and just sign James Harrison to be the mouth piece of the eagles and handle all eagles media responsibility! and then let’s see the media continue to act a fool :)

    • James Hathaway

      I’d prefer Jared Allen, if for no other reason than so he can supervise Cooper at country concerts and rodeos.

      • GEAGLE

        Lol. Did you see how Harrison treats the media on hard knocks? Les Bowan will literally Shart himself. If Dallas can’t sign Jared Allen, their pass rush will be a complete joke, like pathetic type bad.
        .
        Love how BIG NEWS in DC is RG3 is taking off the knee brace lol…I’m cowering in fear bwahahaha

  • GEAGLE

    Figure Niners have no choice but to trade up for a safety to replace Whitner(especially on this weak safety class) like they did last year with Goldson. they also have no choice but to get a major ILB insurance policy for Navarro. And they need serious WR help…..serious prospect at those positions on the board at 22, is an opportunity to trade back…problem is that those pigs have so much ammunition that they can get much higher then 22. Those Pigs also get to blow picks on injured talent Like Colvin and put them on IR…
    ..
    PIGS!!! I hate them…

    • pjcostello

      And Marcus Lattimore, don’t forget! They’ll unveil him this season.

  • GEAGLE

    NICE!! giants signed return Man Trindin Holiday who is either Homerun or Fumble, can’t wait to see Braman catch his lil ass and power bomb him

    • jcwhy

      Braman BOMB!

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        Co-sign THAT!!!

        • jcwhy

          Get the shirts ready for the pretzel guy to sell by K lot!!

          • GEAGLE

            Have a feeling Braman is going to be LOVED in this city…wonder what Caliber ST player he is? Does he have that Iike Reese probowl ST player ceiling? Or will he just be a Madman with a crazy cult following….you have to be a crazy sob to get love in this city with that last name…shiiiiiiiiit I’d consider loaning that lunatic to the flyers when the season ends

          • aub32

            He will still have to show up and do something. The love for him will fade pretty swiftly if he gets embarrassed by Holiday.

  • PhillySean

    Seems to me like Chip Kelly made phone calls when a player acquisition might have been interpreted as bringing on a replacement. Who have the Eagles acquired that could possibly be seen as a replacement for D-Jackson?

    Until the Eagles make a move that requires explanation, why should they feel compelled to make a call?

    I also think it would be foolish to make promises going into the draft, especially one that is deep and particularly deep at wide receiver.

    I enjoy this blog, but I hope Kelly maintains his distance from the Philly press.

    • GEAGLE

      Wants he is successful enough he will go the Bellicek route and the media will be screwed,..

  • mksp

    Raiders 2015 1st and 2014 4th for DeSean. I wonder if this gets it done.

    Crazy part about this trade is that it potentially puts Marcus Mariota in play in the 2015 draft. With Foles eligible for a new contract. Eagles Internet would explode.

    • pjcostello

      Won’t happen, there’s no reason to let Jackson go for essentially nothing in 2014. He’s under contract, and I’d rather have him on the field (or draft his immediate replacement, which isn’t going to happen with a 4th round pick). Plus, Eagles Nation won’t clamor for Mariota if Foles has a good season and the Eagles make the playoffs.

  • GEAGLE

    Spadaro responded to someone that we may not be done and still could add a player or two. Who knows if he actually knows anything or not..

    • cliff henny

      hopes it offense, those threads are ALOT more fun…o-line guy, barber mold I bet

      • Sauce

        Do you think a OL would be a viable option more in the draft than the FA?

        And I’m from Canada and I’ve played against this dude, he’s a freak and would be an awesome fit in our scheme. I know the last one was a big bust but it’s not the same kind of player. 22, very smart and quick for his size, would be a great project IMO.

        Probably a 5-7th round pick

        http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/laurent-duvernay-tardif?id=2543816

        • GEAGLE

          Unless it’s Andrew wiggins, no thanks :) JK…I’ll take a look when I get home

          • cliff henny

            my bracket has Kansas…cause, Wiggins

          • GEAGLE

            Literally haven’t even looked at a bracket yet…saving it for tomorrow. I can’t even tell you who a local team like Nova is matched up against….I will cry if Kansas gets eliminated before Embiid comes back….Kentucky is going to fall on it’s face, they don’t have the veteran guards needed to suceed…I’m out of the loop, haven’t even gotten the chance to watch the Hendrix vs. LAwlor war over the UFC WW title yet and it’s on my DVR…I’m slacking..my ladies parents are in town yay lol

          • cliff henny

            don’t do play-in games?

        • cliff henny

          sure, but not in top 3 rounds. need 2 LBs, ryans and coles replacements and a stud WR, then, draft is your’s Howie.

  • GEAGLE

    What WR are left in FA for the Panthers?

    • Sean

      Holmes & Rice come to mind… Jones to Raiders yesterday.

    • Adam G

      Britt and Rice. Real bottom of the barrel guys.

      • fran35

        Man, Britt has some real potential. But he is one hell of a knucklehead. He just as apt to get banned as he is to have a decent year.

        • GEAGLE

          Hoping they are so desperate for a WR that they let us trade back to 28 for a late 4th round pick…at 22 I’m probably leaning towards the OL dirt bastard jr for us, which is crazy because i never thought I would be advocating to take a first round pick from my beloved defense

          • oreofestar

            My beloved defense is still beloved I want heavy defense draft

          • cliff henny

            good…Good….GOOOOODDDD…give in to your anger

      • oreofestar

        There is Crotchery and Lance Moore

  • Dave

    Everyone go vote for Sheil and Tim on the Crossing Broad Philly Media Field of 64
    http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/03/psmfo64-day-2-field-of-64-captures-a-citys-imagination.html

    • JeryfromYorkPa

      Done

  • B-West

    Hypothetical…. Birds turn their first round pick plus Jackson into Sammy Watkins.

    1. I’m not sure that would be enough to move all the way into the Top 5 (assuming that will be Watkin’s neighborhood).
    2. Seems like we’d be turning two assets into one, and it would probably take a little bit of time for Watkins to get up to speed.
    3. I do think Watkins has that AJ Green/Julio Jones look to him.
    4. I buy most of number 3 from the article… It sure seems like Jackson’s days may be numbered.

    Idk, I think I talked myself out it already tho. I’d rather keep Jackson (massage his contract a bit if needed) and spend the pick on the front 7.

    • Richard Colton

      If you’re anyone but the Raiders, sitting 60 million under the cap and needing to spend $$$, do you make that deal?

      • B-West

        Nope…. But I guess the Raiders always provide that window. That’s probably why Jackson is still an Eagle right now… Nobody is willing to offer a whole lot in return.

        • Richard Colton

          He’s insanely valuable…to us. Seriously, I understand his contract isn’t ideal, but he makes this offense so much better just by being out there. We lose Jackson’s speed and Riley Cooper won’t be tracking down balls like a center fielder anymore. He’ll be blanketed.

          • Will

            That double coverage is a blessing to everyone else on the field short of having Brandis Cooks on the roster do not see DJax going anywhere anytime soon…

          • poetx99

            people TRULY don’t understand how much of a benefit this is. it simplifies the coverage and makes things easier for the QBs as well.

            always rolling a safety over the top not only opens things up for the 2nd WR, it opens things up for the TEs and backs.

          • B-West

            Yup, I agree with all of that. That hypothetical felt more and more like a pipe dream as I typed it out. Do you buy what Sheil is selling on Jackson tho? Sure seems like something is boiling just below the surface.

          • Richard Colton

            Sheil is usually pretty accurate with these things, so yeah. Jackson is a diva WR. That’s fine. Most are. He’s somewhere in between Jason Avant and TO. Three things DeSean will always think:

            1) He’s underpaid
            2) He’s under-appreciated
            3) He’s open

            If you get beyond wanting him to act like a leader, then its OK. I don’t need him to be a calming influence in the locker room. I need him to run out patterns and Ghost Motion.

          • B-West

            Still agreeing… But I’m not sure The Chippah has as much patience. I think he likes that crew of guys (Kelce, Mac, Cooper, Ertz, etc) that have been in the gym together all offseason. At least I got the impression all of those guys have been gym rats from some of the quotes during their contract extensions.

            Chip seems to have plenty of that Belicheckian ‘you’re either in 100% or you’re out the door and I’ll coach up the the next guy’ in him.

          • Richard Colton

            Andy had that. You might be right. I’m trying to think of somebody good we let go because they were an attitude problem or wouldn’t buy-in. DRC maybe? But he was a poor fit here for other reasons.

          • George

            Well TO’s the obvious one

          • pjcostello

            It’s always a question, since we don’t exactly know the reason some guys were let go (i.e., Clemons, Burgess).

          • aub32

            Numbers 2 and 3 are true. Jackson doesn’t get near the appreciation he should get from the fans. If he were 6’2″ putting up the exact same numbers, fans would be worshipping this guy the way they did TO.

  • TNA

    re: desean – I think the source of “the issue” is neither the Eagles proactively looking to trade him or the Eagles trying to make him feel uncomfortable by letting the rumors continued. If the Eagles entertained trades, which they should always be doing (if Minny offered five 1st rounders and AP for LeSean, the Eagles would pull the trigger). My WAG is that desean’s agent is asking for an extension.

    • TNA

      for PR purposes, the Eagles could deny any rumors and then if a deal goes through, they can always just say, “well, X team gave us a new offer we couldn’t refuse.” That’s really simple to do. That’s what makes me think any kind of tension is coming from desean’s side.

  • mrparabolic

    So we don’t think Nolan Carroll will challenge for a starting spot?

    EDIT: This is in response to point #1

    • GEAGLE

      He will, but he won’t win the job…we will still be seeing him on the field

      • cliff henny

        secondary is set for better or worse. least it’s upgraded. get me 1 stud WR and then 2 or 3 6-3 250lb monsters to tear qbs heads off

        • GEAGLE

          Are you drunk? Where do these defensive desires come from? Coming down from your offensive binge high?

          • cliff henny

            I’ve always had defense in my mocks. heck, even willing to tradeback in 1st, get lesser talented WR for another 3rd, and get more LBs! Sproles took one of my offensive picks. 3 out of top 4 are D, 5th, i’d look for Celeks replacement-iowa and Georgia kids. 7th,i don’t care much about, toss rob a bone, kerr.
            .
            but, I also know Kelly, and wouldn’t blink if he went WR, RB, OL …that seastrunk out of Baylor would be perfect.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I don’t realistically expect Chip to ignore all this offensive talent in the draft…give me 3 athletes to add to our front 7 and I’ll be happy…don’t care about DBs..

            Marcus Smith at ROLB behind Cole
            KVN or C.Jones replacing Mathews behind Barwin as the OLB/ILB hybrid we pretend Casey is..

            Not ready to talk about DL additions. I know I want us to add one, but I haven’t gotten around to watching the DL in rounds 3-5…
            ..
            Basically I’m going to take all the DL prospects who could go rounds 3-5, list all the ones with the longest arm, who are ATleast 305lbs..and watch those players and read up on them to see if there are some known intelligent high Charecter ones out of that group…
            Btw, who wore #18 for LSU this year?

          • cliff henny

            Barrow.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            yes please.

          • JofreyRice

            I like Seastrunk.

  • cliff henny

    revolving door in Dallas continues. cant even agree with a broken down vet like Melton. he left without contract. now trying to bring in Allen, who will want Peppers like money. yup, no cap issue there

    • GEAGLE

      They should be pretty damn desperate for Jared. Without him their passrush will be such a joke

      • cliff henny

        everything they saved on Ware is going to be lost. Romo isn’t 27 anymore. he cant be asked to drop back 50 times a game and win 49-48 all season. they’ll kill him. not that it’ll bother me, but hate to see JJ get his pants dirty when climbing into a grave to get Romo’s lifeless carcass to sign his restructure

        • GEAGLE

          I just don’t get how the teams in our division expect to compete in the trenches? Who the hell is going to rush the passer for Dallas? I can’t even guess that’s how pathetic it is,.the Giants are counting on Damontre Moore to make a major leap lol Jason peters and Lane will Embarress him!! The skins aren’t even worth talking about.lsure they will add Stephen Tuitt if he falls, but they are still ATleast two quality players short on both sides of the trenches…think we are way ahead of everyone, and is doubt they will have better drafts then us

          • cliff henny

            Louis Riddick was spitting some truth. they can fight the message, but for the life of me, cant see how Eagles haven’t separated themselves. and we haven’t even seen Foles after 8 months of Kelly’s undivided attention.

          • aub32

            I’m hoping that 8 months will rid Foles of whatever ails him when facing Dallas. I also don’t see how they can muster any type of rush, but I said the exact same thing in that week 17 game. Yet Foles underperformed in my opinion. That game should never have been that close.

          • cliff henny

            Kelly will be ready with totally new offense though. really going celek/ertz/avant 2 out of the 3 was only change up. caught onto that, had a chance. imagine next year. say they add Beckham, how many different formations can you come up with that sound badass?!

          • JofreyRice

            If ODB & Evans and are gone at #22, I’d look to trade back into the mid 2nd, and acquire a few extra picks. With the two 2nds, add Troy Niklas from Notre Dame, and Donte Moncrief. Offense would be totally irrational. You’d be able to find a personnel grouping that would work against any defense in the league. I don’t care if Kam Chancellor is a beast, if Niklas is bearing down on him at 6’6, 270, he’ll blow him off the ball. If teams want to get large with the Eagles, go 4 wide with Jackson, Maclin, Moncrief and Cooper.

            Add a developmental G/swing T like ND State’s Billy Turner in the third, along with some OLB they like–doesn’t really matter, anyway. A good RB in the 4th, and take some shots on versatile athletes for defense on rounds 5-7 and hope you step in shit.

          • cliff henny

            ha, love it … this might be my favorite post of yours ever!

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    Last offseason, the Eagles added Connor Barwin, Isaac Sopoaga, Bradley Fletcher, Cary Williams and Patrick Chung – six new starters as they moved from a 4-3 to a 3-4.

    uh, sheil….that’s only 5. Thonton, Cox, Cole, Ryans, Kendricks, Allen (6) were holdovers.

    It’s also only natural they have less holes to fill this year; not saying many guys can’t be upgraded, but the only 2 true “holes” were ROLB/rush OLB and Safety. Last year, we had no NT, a bunch of converted DEs, and an entire secondary that had to go. Considering the progress so far, I can live with it.

    • sdk152

      Thanks, fixed! -SK

      • James Hathaway

        How do you read this these comments, and still have time to write articles?

  • Ark87

    SK: On number 5. I bet chip will indeed try to go faster. But one thing to look at is that our defense took more snaps away from us than anybody. They played more snaps than anybody, and that was at normal speed… You can bet 3rd down will be a huge point of emphasis this year. It’s disappointing that we haven’t clearly upgraded the pass rush in any way yet, but it’s clear they emphasize loading up more guys into the secondary that they would be comfortable putting on the field, as you mentioned. It will be interesting to see what the D works on this off-season during camp.

    • Nfl All Day

      This is where bringing in a ballhawk like Byrd to get picks and put the offense back on the field made a ton of sense.

  • aub32

    Side Note: What do you guys think of some of the moves made by the other teams in the NFCE?

    I think we are all laughing at Dallas, but NY has made some underrated moves. Their CB situation has really improved in my opinion. They lost some pass rush ability but got better on their O line. The Skins still look incomplete to me, but I am hoping they completely misuse Hatcher, who is moving back to a 3-4 defense after being so good playing the 4-3.

    • GEAGLE

      What do I think of the other teams offseason moves? I think they didn’t make enough of them and we comtinue to build on the head start we got last year for division supremecy… I don’t see a single move that is an awesome signing we should be concerned with…if those franchises were smart they woulda spent this offseason completely redoing both sides of the trenches, yet not a single OL or DL worth a damn has been added to our division…

      • aub32

        I disagree with O linemen. Both NY and WAS got better up front. Hell, the Giants got better even before adding a starting guard by having Diehl retire. I do like their secondary moves. Like it or not, DRC is one of the few DBs that can match DJax’s speed. Prince is decent, and we have both (I think it was you) acknowledged that Thurmond is a good player.

        • GEAGLE

          Who’s the best linemen on either side of the ball added to our division? Geoff Shwartz who wouldn’t start for us?

          • aub32

            Just because someone wouldn’t start for us doesn’t mean they aren’t a good pick up. You love Kendricks, but would he start for SEA or SF? We have one of the best collections O linemen in the game.

          • oreofestar

            Still maybe it is just me but nothing any team has done has scared me or made me worry…Giants picked up an average guard, Seattle’s backup which is presumably a starter, n average rb, DRC ( lol ) and some returners which is never a bad thing the best thing they did was resign Beason

          • oreofestar

            and by any team I mean in the East

          • aub32

            You laugh, but DRC can play. Fans keep forgetting that our coaching situation was beyond horrendous. DRC balled out in Denver last year. Thurmond is as good a nickel defender as Boykin, many analyst would probably say he’s better. Also with DRC signed, Thurmond will be covering the slot. Their RBs don’t scare me, but we haven’t had a particularly good ST unit in a while.

          • pjcostello

            DRC can play when he’s motivated to play, and we saw that here. On a one-year deal, he played well — his history suggests that on a multi-year contract he will NOT give his all on the field.

          • GEAGLE

            If they start off 2-5, let’s how engaged he remains. Let’s see how committed he is to stop all the runs and screens we send his way

          • cliff henny

            get caught in 3 vs 2 wr screen, he’ll be a ton of help

          • GEAGLE

            Let’s see him play when we run the ball 35 times, take Desean out the game and force him to defend Cooper or Ertz who will beat him up all game..let’s see how valuable he is then…If DRC isn’t on a serious contender he will lose interest.

            DRC is a ultra talented front runner, and they ain’t good enough to be adding front runners

          • GEAGLE

            Yup, I see Beason as their best move as well

          • GEAGLE

            If you don’t think we should dominate this division in the trenches then I don’t know what to tell, you. Agree to disagree because the best trenches addition made was hatcher! who was already in your division! is getting up there in age and redskins probably won’t play to his strengths. If we can’t out play Geoff Schwartz then we have issues on the DL…that’s a player I was looking at as a depth addition lol…Tyron smith. Trent Williams, maybe the center for the cowboys. Hatcher, Orakpo who else is worth a damn in I our division in the trenches? If you aren’t really solid in the trenches, then I ain’t worrying about you…

          • JofreyRice

            I think Schwartz could beat out Todd. Dude was horrible in pass pro last year.

          • cliff henny

            Giants also lost Booth, who started at least lst2 yrs.

      • Eagles1018

        Giants will be dangerous this year. Don’t sleep.

        DRC
        Thurmond
        Trindin Holiday
        Beason re-signed
        McClain

        To name a few. Even though the d line lost Justin Tuck they still have a guy named Jason Pierre Paul that’s no slouch. He was hurt last year so he’s gonna be back and better off the injury. The only thing I haven’t seen the Giants improve is RB and OL. Doesn’t mean they won’t have serviceable guys playing those positions. Not saying they will be world beaters but they won’t be a gimme on the schedule.

        • RIP illa

          Thought they signed Jennings for RB? And they still got the draft to get WR, TE, DE, and more OL help.

        • GEAGLE

          Yeah cuz 16 new players will gel overnight lol.. We shouldn’t lose a game in this division. And I will be really disapointed if we lose more then two division games, I will be pissed..Beason was their best move

          • cliff henny

            dallas can be ignored, it’s official, cap has destroyed them finally. end of year, eagles were well ahead of both Wash and NYGs. while Eagles have added, improved at safety (not enough, but improved) CB and WR, while those teams are adding but also losing. seems like they are slightly net better, but feel like gap has increased.

          • GEAGLE

            If you have a run game coordinator and a passing coordinator you should automatically be ignored
            ..
            I really believe the Giants making the same mistake we made, keeping Andy two years too long, and that it’s all going to implode for the the way it did for us

            I sat like 10th row for the skins game, and I’m sorry, I know I’m in the minority. But I just don’t believe in RG3. I didn’t believe him when he was a super rookie, I don’t believe him after the injury. Don’t believe him after last season, and I don’t believe Dalton’s coach who was working with such a talented roster in Cincy is going to be the man to make me believe in Rg3..I don’t see it….wish someone would go thru every snap and count how many times he ever made it to his 3rd progression since he has been in the league….

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            If they are net better than us, how is it possible to increase the gap?

          • cliff henny

            think all 3 teams have improved, eagles though only added so we’re obviously better, didn’t lose any starters….while ‘skins and giants lost and gained, should be net positive, but eagles improvements more than wash/nygs gains.
            .
            really none of this discusses most important position,qb. who’s inline to have biggest jump? i’ll put money on Foles with8 months of Kelly’s undivided attention.

          • Ark87

            They rise and fall with Eli…I’ve never seen a QB go up and down from “elite” to sack and int fodder as much as Eli on a year to year basis, but you’re right, they need an O-line badly.

            If Eli somehow managed to not throw 27 picks though…they could give us some trouble.

          • Adam G

            He never was elite.

          • Ark87

            hence the quotation marks. While I agree, I still think he has a huge variance. He is certainly capable of doing much better than last year.

          • Adam G

            Yeah, I don’t think he could do much worse. Pretty funny if he makes the hall of fame with those numbers

          • JofreyRice

            When they have no running game, they try to funnel too much of the offense through him. He presses, and makes mistakes. He can carry a team, and has, but I think when they are just rolling the ball out there and having him sling it around for 90% of their offense, it’s too much for him to do. I mean, they had Brandon Jacobs at running back last year.

            He’s a good quarterback. I’m hoping the combo of David Wilson & Rashad Jennings is not good enough to let that come through.

          • Ark87

            totally agree. While I wouldn’t peg them to be destined to be great or anything, they could be good enough to make some noise in the division. I would feel better if they kept Kevin Gilbride around. He was totally stumped on how to get that offense back on track. I still think the Birds are ahead of the rest of the NFCE, but I’ll be keeping an eye on the real rival in the NFCE (Cowboy’s are the enemy, not the rival, that implies respect :-D)

          • JofreyRice

            haha, yeah. Well, you figured the division couldn’t be a total cakewalk. The way it’s set up, with the situation, though, I think the Eagles are in good shape to win it–even if I’m less than impressed by the offseason activity at the Novacare facility.

            Hey, a weak NFC East helped Andy, for a stretch there. Campo, Fassel, Spurrier. Opens the door to the playoffs.

          • Eagles1018

            So you’re saying that Maragos and Bryman will come in and gel quick enough to stop Holiday from changing field position or scoring? And yeah I forgot about Jennings thanks RIP Illa. McClain was also a good move. He learned under Ray Lewis. I think we can win the division I’m just saying don’t be surprised if the giants are right there. They just signed back Mario Manningham btw. Again not a world beater but he knows the system so it’s not like he has to figure things out.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            McClain is a bum, it’s why BAL let him go instead of making him Ray’s replacement.
            Their OLBs and DL are still terrible, what good is improving the secondary if Shady is running for 200+ on them?

          • JofreyRice

            it’s a shame too, McClain’s a philly dude. But he’s just never put it together.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            agreed, but now that he’s a giant I hope you feels even worse

          • MoreViolence

            you’re saying that like Manningham knows their new system. don’t forget they ditched Kevin killdrive just after the season ended.

        • peteike

          haha 15 mil guar to Dom “Im thinking about retiring” RC, good luck with that gmen. He plays well every other year and if youre team is struggling, fuggedaboutit. No clue why anyone would invest in him, 1 yr deals make sense, his history says it all. Oh and all 4’8″ of Trindin, hands of stone, holiday will not work out. Dude is electric but he counter all his production with fumbles, hes just sooo small.

    • ICDogg

      Cowboys are a joke, Skins need a lot more from RG3, otherwise not improved. Giants are better but still a lot of work to do.

  • Rage114

    With respect to Jenkins, Kelly didn’t “just” say that he was a good fit, he also mentioned that looked at Jenkins as ” quarterback of the secondary”. It is reported that Jenkins was a leader of that team in NO. If you look at ALL the signings since Kelly has been here, the one common thread is leadership and maturity. I agree that Byrd is a better player than Jenkins but I think that Kelly puts as much stock in these intangibles as he does in ability.

    • JofreyRice

      If he was such a valuable leader, why didn’t NO even make an offer to him? If the Eagles were so incredibly high on him, why not a longer term, bigger $ deal? He’s only 26, no reason not to push all your chips in if you feel like he’s the guy.

      • GEAGLE

        In fairness, for all we know Jenkins could have insisted on 3years..not uncommon for 26yr olds to want to hit free agency again before they turn 3 to get that one last pay day…and if you are a pretty darn good athlete, who is smart,high Charecter workaholic, why wouldn’t you gamble on yourself?

        When you replace Jenkins with an all pro! I don’t know how much of an indictment that is on Jenkins! especially when you consider how many quality saints they moved on from. Rex Ryan is also two DCs removed from who drafted Jenkins. maybe Rob Ryan didn’t view him as the best fit for his scheme..IF YOU are fortunate enough to pair Byrd with Vaccaro! I could see why you may not value Jenkins as much as someone else….6mil a year for safety isn’t exactly chump change. When was the last time we even had a safety who made more then 3.5 a season…Jenkins isn’t Byrd or Ward, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t going to help us.

        • GEAGLE

          Yes I know I typed Rex Ryan..Disque won’t let me edit

        • JofreyRice

          If he wanted to maximize his chance at a better payday in free agency, it would have been a 1 year prove it not a 3 year deal where the org can pay him a mediocre dollar figure in the third year, if they so choose. And nothing changes the fact that NO didn’t make him an offer. Look at the timeline here: they let Jenkins go before signing Jairus Byrd–they had no idea if they could even make it work with Byrd, or would be able to get him.

          Jenkins is not making 6 mill a year, he’s making 4.5 mil a year. That’s about 2 mil more than we paid Pat Chung, signed from Belichick’s bench. That’s not a contract you pay some young stud safety, despite what PE.com wants us to believe.

          The Browns paid slightly less for Whitner than they paid for Ward–you gotta look at guaranteed money here, not the ballooned overall figure with backloaded loot Whitner might never see. It wasn’t a significant amount cheaper for Whitner, so I agree it could have been about scheme fit–but I think Ward had a say in it, too; seems like he wanted to end up in Denver, competing for a title, rather than stuck in Cleveland.

          I can’t agree that Jenkins has been a “good” player during his time in the league, so far. They did a good job of putting Barwin in a position to maximize his ability to be competent in several areas, rather than the way Houston was using him, where he was just running into a brick wall and producing bupkis as a passrusher. Hopefully they can do the same thing with Jenkins, but poor ball skills and shaky tackling don’t give me a lot of confidence. The best thing about him is his athletic ability.

    • Dominik

      “If you look at ALL the signings since Kelly has been here, the one common thread is leadership and maturity.”

      Remember Brad Wing? Or Shepard? Yeah, they were UDFA, but like everything with Chip, let’s not oversimplify it.

      He loves versatility, but carried Anderson on the roster, too. He has his tendencies, but he breaks them, if he sees value.

      • GEAGLE

        Certain stuff is just coach/GM talk trying to fluff up a signing…but Jenkins answered reporters point blank that we contacted him immediately as soon as we are allowed to. that means we WANT HIM, not that we settled on him…I also don’t think it’s BS that this secondary needed a QB.

  • Nfl All Day

    If anyone else would like to join me in starting the narrative that Chip is neglecting the defense in favor of the O let it fly. Understanding that its only year 2, and we’ve yet to see how they draft this year, not to mention how the unit improves…we all witnessed what happened to the Broncos last month. The greatest scoring offense of ALL-TIME was obliterated and couldn’t muster any challenge to a fast, intelligent, reactive defense. Even without being elite at all 11 positions, you have to at least be great at rushing the passer. We can’t claim either at this date. Hopefully we start to address this at the Selection Meeting. I can overlook passing on Byrd because he was too expensive, one dimensional, or frail. But it’d be reassuring to see them aggressively pursue a defensive difference maker, sooner rather than later.

  • vik

    what do you guys think of trading jackson and a third to the browns for the 4th pick and grabbing Watkins and then go for a CB with the 22nd

    • oreofestar

      They would not do it

    • aub32

      Why??? Jackson is a proven #1 WR. We can still get a CB at #22 w/o trading Jackson. So basically you are giving up a sure fire 1000 yard, 3 time pro bowl WR with game changing speed for an unproven rookie. Also, we are giving away a 3rd in the deepest draft in a decade. Does that really make much sense?

      • Adam G

        It certainly could make sense to Chip and the Eagles to get a WR who is 6 years younger, for half the price and has a higher upside.

        • aub32

          Does he have higher upside? Right now DJax is one of the best in the game. His size is the only reason why you and others think he can be replaced. His production is without question.

          • Adam G

            Come on. His ceiling has already been compared to Jones and Green. Desean not in their company.

          • aub32

            Right because there has never been a bust who was ever compared to someone great. Who were Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf compared to? That’s why I keep pointing out that he hasn’t played a down in the NFL. No way I am giving up a top NFL proven WR in his prime for Watkins

          • Adam G

            You are certainly in the minority. There’s not a coach in football that wouldn’t trade Desean straight up for Watkins. You truly don’t understand value of players if you would rather have a 27 yr old Desean making 10 mil a year vs a 21 yr old Watkins making 5. Appreciating asset vs Depreciating.

          • oreofestar

            I would take Desean easily because I do not know what WATKins is I mean looking back there are some people who would have said last year they would trade Desean straight up for Austin for the same reasons you said…

          • Adam G

            Literally, and I mean literally, nobody in the NFL agrees with that logic.

          • Maggie

            Agree on depreciating asset. Sad but true.

    • Ian Farley

      jackson and a 3rd for the 4th overall…. this isn’t madden. that trade wouldnt happen.

    • ryyndynyyls

      Why would WE do it?!?!?!?!? Look at the steaming heap of busted 1st round WRs in the dumpsters behind every stadium. I just cannot understand why any of you would be willing to part with something that absolutely works and strengthens every single other element of our offense for a player whose statistical chances of succeeding in the NFL are factually very low. Would anybody have wanted Tavon Austin last year for Jackson and a 4th…?!?!? How is this even being discussed?

      • cliff henny

        boredom, and poor packaging.

  • Honest_T

    600+ comments on the DeSean trade rumors! Get ready for a long and wild ride on this one. No trade will happen until the draft, because that is when the value of picks are highest. There is nothing compelling a team to do a deal now, and trading a draft pick this far in advance of the draft means giving up the opportunity to get more for the pick once the draft started and players start falling down the draft board.

    This draft is going to be so much fun! Chris Johnson and D-Jax could both be moved during the draft, and I can dream that maybe the Eagles acquire Dion Jordan? And those are just the big names. As we get into the second and third day some top tier but not super-star vets could get moved for draft picks as GMs and coaches drool over prospects left on the board. I get the feeling some Ravens (only 4 picks), Jets, Chiefs, Bucs, Fins, Browns, and Bills could be moved.

    If you are looking for DeSean landing spots, the Jags have 11 picks in this draft, cap space, and a need at WR.

  • GEAGLE

    Were auburn. FSU, Stanford and mizzou’s pro days all today?

  • ICDogg

    I’m against moving Desean. But it appears to me that the Eagles might be looking to do just that.

    • GEAGLE

      Shefter reports that we absolutely aren’t shopping him but that a team with all the weapons we have will listen..I hope they do trade Desean, because I’m sure a team would have to drastically overpay for him, because I don’t think we have any problems bringing him back for the 2014 season…Wanna give up some insane value? Be my guest and trade for him!

    • southy

      It would be a strange strategy to move a guy you know is a quality player and fits in the system for a couple of draft picks, likely used on WRs that you hope will become quality players.

      • Maggie

        It might be that after this year his value in a trade could begin to decline. His principal value is his speed and he’s sort of nearing 30.

  • Brian
    • GEAGLE

      Yeah this is all over twitter, Vegas approves of our free agent moves, moved out odds to 18-1 from 25-1 giving is the 6th best odds to win a Super Bowl. Kind of pissed I didn’t put something on them just in case when they were 25-1…’if you can make the playoffs, you can win a Super Bowl.

      • OldDocRoss

        A bunch of people probably put money on us on the back of the Sproles signing. If you’re serious, hold off for a bit and I’m sure someone else will become flavour of the month and our odds will drift again.

        25-1 for a team in a cruddy division would be pretty enticing if it went back there……

        • Brian

          If they have a A or A+ draft, it can go as high as 15-1. It probably won’t drift much lower than it is, unless they blow the DeSean trade.

  • Weapon Y

    #2 Thank you

  • GEAGLE

    Giants signed Mario manningham lol DREAM TEAM paid for with food stamps!!

    • cliff henny

      Allen left Dallas without contract. see if Dez and TSmith resign. even rats know to get off a sinking ship

      • OldDocRoss

        There’s a decent chance the best years of Dez’s career are going to be whizzed away on a horrible, horrible Dallas team.

        I’ve never been able to figure whether he’s a bona fide douche or just a harmless idiot so can’t decide if I feel sorry for him. Definitely leaning towards “hahahahahahhahahahaha, no” though.

  • John E. Zang

    I don’t know why people are opposed to getting rid of Desean Jackson. If you can upgrade the position with a top receiver with size in the draft like Evans meanwhile getting rid of a player with a big contract and bad attitude with small stature, it’s a no-brainer. His worth will deplete every year and they know that plus Chip is smart and he knows what a wideout of size with explosion can do to this offense.

    • Eagledelphia

      can you guarantee that Mike Evans will be able to get you 1300 yards and 9 touchdowns while opening up the field for everyone else in the offense? Because I can’t I know how bad the Eagles receivers were before Desean and have no faith in a first round rookie

      • Maggie

        Can aanybody guarantee that Evans will still be available at any position after #1?

      • John E. Zang

        I would certainly bet on it. I think Desean owes his success to chip, not the other way around. Deseans a one trick pony and he’s virtually useless in the redzone. Most of his td’s come from long passes. Chip isn’t thrilled with his antics but more than anything can’t stand his limitations. You want a dependable receiver with size that can win with the ball in the air. Jackson stands there and gets pushed away.

      • John E. Zang

        In essence, you can’t throw to Desean in tight coverage because it’s high risk. We all know how chip hates turnovers. Deseans either running passed a DB or he’s covered, thats what you call a tool with one purpose which furthermore shows how much he’s overpaid. A talented receiver with all the “tools” would put his stats to shame in this offense and not disappear when you need him most.

    • Nfl All Day

      Thrash, Pinkston, Small, Mitchell, Johnson, Basket, McMullen, REGGIE FREAKING BROWN…..A bird in hand …..

  • dollamakeuholla

    Jackson for a 3rd rounder???? he has to be a horrible locker room presence!

  • Chip

    okay, macklin is coming off an injury. Cooper has no speed; Sproles is a good compliment. if Jackson is traded, who fills the gap? and a 3, kind of low. Carolina is looking for a wide out with speed…a number 2 from Carlolina would make much more sense than a 3 from Frisco or NE. Just sayin

  • Kev_H

    I’d keep Jackson for the year, but I only have to watch him on Sundays and don’t have to work with him day-to-day and if he isn’t completely on board, I can see why they’d cut ties. What I don’t understand is this notion that he is some sort of essential player/difference maker? There are a lot of teams who have scored a lot of points without a DeSean Jackson-type player. A bigger, more versatile wide out would be an upgrade. It’s not like they won’t have 2 or 3 skill players who deserve special attention every play if Jackson wasn’t an Eagle.

    • dollamakeuholla

      Because they believe that Chip Kelly’s offense would fall apart without him! Which doesn’t make any sense because Chip is the one showing him the door! Which means Chip knows nothing about his offense and should check back here on the comment threads to see the best way to build his team! Duh wasn’t that obvious! and Obviously he is not a chip guy! Maybe it was from that first monday night game when jackson jumped on him and knocked his visor off on national TV.

  • DoctorRick

    Why is it that the WRs are often the highest maintenance? Do they go to a special school to learn that?
    D-Jax is an awesome talent, and I personally hope he has an awesome season with us next year. But no single WR is the center of a team, and the business of football drives lots of decisions that dictate that most players will play for more than one team during the short NFL career time-frame.
    Having a great attitude and being willing to block downfield as well as come back for the ball and great route skills build longevity. D-Jax can work on that.

  • dollamakeuholla

    Big Receivers beat up Little Receivers!