Wake-Up Call: The Eagles After Day 1

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Here’s where the Eagles stand as they enter the second day of free agency:

There was plenty of chatter surrounding the team Tuesday but they ended up signing just one free agent — New Orleans’ safety Malcolm Jenkins. They also re-upped punter Donnie Jones and cut Patrick Chung.

Jenkins should be an upgrade over Chung but the Eagles are still thin at the position. Earl Wolff and Keelan Johnson are currently the only other safeties on the roster. The Eagles could very well add another another piece in the coming days. A lot of safeties came off the board Tuesday, including Donte Whitner (Cle), Antoine Bethea (SF) and Mike Mitchell (Pit). Chris Clemons is still available. Same for Nate Allen. The top five remaining free agent safeties, per Rotoworld, are:




1) Clemons
2) Allen
3) Major Wright 
4) Charles Woodson
5) Steve Gregory

-- From Jairus Byrd to T.J. Ward to DeMarcus Ware to Darrelle Revis, the Eagles were routinely linked to the biggest names on the market. But Ward signed with the Broncos (4 years, $23 million, $14 million guaranteed);  Ware could also very well be headed to Denver ; and Byrd got $28 million of guaranteed cash from Saints.

Philly was mentioned as a possible destination for Revis, but his financial demands are expected to  be high. So far, the Eagles have stayed away from the big-ticket free agents as they suggested they would.

-- The pass rush still needs to be addressed. Brian Orakpo and Jason Worilds never made it to free agency, while the likes of Michael Johnson and Everson Griffen already received  hefty pay days.

The Eagles were interested in Mike Neal at the beginning of the free agency period, we were told. Rob Jackson of the Redskins is a target that makes some sense, but the Eagles hadn't expressed interest as of Tuesday. Perhaps they start to address that area today.

-- Howie Roseman and company signed five players -- James Casey, Chung, Jason Phillips, Isaac Sopoaga and Bradley Fletcher -- on the first day of free agency last year. This time around they were a little slower out of the gate, likely due in part to the steep price tags around the league. Players didn't come cheap on Day 1, but the expectation is that prices will start to normalize moving forward.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Jenkins on moving on from New Orleans, courtesy of the Times-Picayune. 

"For me, this was an uncomfortable process," Jenkins said Tuesday night. "You invest and give five years to a place. You invest so much into the team, into the community. We won the Super Bowl there, I met my wife there, I had a daughter there, I have a home there. And then the business part of free agency comes and it just didn't work out.

"I know they had a lot of money tied up. I completely understand the business part, but the Saints didn't offer me anything. So I really had no choice but to move."

Mike Florio provides the latest on Michael Vick. 

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Vick plans to be patient in his search for a new job.  He realizes that this is likely his last chance to find a starting job, so he’s looking for the right fit.

In this regard, a very real concern becomes the possibility that his new team would acquire a quarterback in the first round of the draft after signing Vick.  Vick could, in theory, go from being penciled in as the starter until May, at which time a hot-shot rookie acquires the inside track to the job. For that reason, it’s possible Vick will wait until after the draft to make a decision.

COMING UP

Jenkins is scheduled to meet with the media at 6:15 this evening. There is sure to be some activity between now and then.

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  • Eagles4Life

    “The Saints didn’t offer me anything.” Yep…sounds like we’ve assumed their Nate Allen.

  • UKEagle99

    Saints have Vaccaro & Byrd playing safety, sounds like Joffery’s dream right there.

    I never thought I would say this but I kind of hope they bring Nate back. I’d hate for them to compromise this draft in reaching or trading up for a safety.

    • NickS1

      We won’t reach. We’ll stick to BPA. We just want to compete.

    • brza

      I agree. I think they need to bring Allen back to compete with Jenkins and Wolff and to ensure they don’t need to reach for a S.

      Now its past 7am already. Ware is going to sign in Denver and that should end their shopping spree. Should be just a few more hours before Revis is released and boards a plane to Philly. I don’t know the man but I gotta think after a horrible season in Tampa he’d rather earn a couple million less per year and play for a contender in Philly than go to a perennial bottom dweller like Oakland or Cleveland.

      • NickS1

        Better hope it’s more than a couple million less if you want him to sign. Ahab wouldn’t open the checkbook for the white whale, don’t see it happening for a 29yr old malcontent cornerback, even if he is one of the top 3 in the game. Impossible? No. Just very very difficult to envision.

        • brza

          Nobody is even willing to offer a conditional 7th rounder apparently for him because of his $16 million price tag with no guaranteed money. From that I’d assume no team will offer him more than $14 million per year with little guaranteed money past year 1 on the open market. If we could get him for around $12 million, you’d bet he’d be worth it.

          Thats all based on assumptions though and maybe there will be a bidding war. But I doubt it, since nobody is willing to trade anything for him even though his contract is basically a collection of 1 year contracts which is a great situation for a team, bad for the player. So it must be the APY that is holding teams back from trading for him.

          • NickS1

            Yeah, $12 is still too high and definitely not going to happen. Look at it this way, if Ahab wouldn’t give an average of 9/yr to his white whale, who’s top 4 in the league, knowing it’s a posiiton he can’t evaluate for sh*t, then he’s surely not paying Revis $12/yr. And if you count TJ (I do), then their were two whales.

          • brza

            I guess you may be right but CB is a position the front office has valued over the years while safety has always gotten second rate treatment.
            And Ward didn’t sign for much more than Jenkins per year so I have to assume either the Eagles preferred Jenkins over Ward or Ward preferred the Broncos over the Eagles.

          • NickS1

            Probably right, just shocking that a safety who many thought would see 7-8/yr took 5.75.

      • Dominik

        Problem is: if he would accept a couple million less per year to play for a contender (I doubt it), the Patriots are in the middle of the game. And because of the weak AFC they are a realistic candidate for the AFC CCG. That’s a contender.

        I think our chance could be to give him significantly more than the Patriots. I don’t think our offer has to be every penny as good as the Browns or the Raiders, but good. The question is: do we want that? I, personally, don’t know.

        • brza

          Yeah, I forgot about the Pats.

      • aub32

        Cleveland would not be such a bad landing spot. He would instantly be the first or second best duo along with Haden. That D would be stacked. The offense has some stars. They just need a QB an RB. They could find both in the draft.

        • Andy124

          Dion Lewis will be healthy this year. lol

      • Wilbert31

        He Hate Me! LMAO! That’s awesome. Good memory.

      • Wiztopher

        This whole Revis speculation makes zero sense. What have the Eagles done in FA the past year or so to indicate we’d get him? He’s a high priced, top tier, older CB who’s injury prone: the exact thing this franchise, according to them and their tendencies, is avoiding.

        • ICDogg

          I don’t see it either. Ware, I figured there would be some interest, but he looks headed to Denver.

        • UKEagle99

          I don’t see it either but he’s hardly injury prone. He had an ACL and missed 13 games that year, he started all 16 for the Bucs. Other than the ACL he has missed about 3 games in his career.

          • aub32

            I guess he would consider AP injury prone as well.

        • brza

          They were reported to have asked about him in trade talks last year. He is still an elite player. He is younger than Asomugha was when the Eagles signed him. The FO has valued CBs very highly for a long time and not been shy about paying that position big bucks. And he’s not injury prone as others pointed out below.

          • Richard Colton

            Defend the idea that they value CBs very highly in the Howie Roseman era. Howie hasn’t drafted one before round four, and all the FA they’ve signed have been value guys. Personally, I’d love a stud CB to lock down the opposing #1 WR. I just haven’t seen any proof the FO sees it that way.

  • Armchairgm3

    Hate to say I told you all so, but I told you so. Jenkins made the most sense money wise and in terms of high character and versatility. The Money given to Jarius Byrd was insane. He’s a good safety but he was slow to begin with. Couple that with his foot injuries and is it really worth the risk? With that said, I’ll withhold judgment on this class until we see how Revis and Ware situations shake out. Part of me wants to make the “big splash” to satisfy some juvenile urge to buy something from the toy store. But there are plenty of cautionary tales about signing 32 year old edge rushers or 28 year old corners (29 at start of season) to big money deals.

    • Tom W

      Huh? Never saw you post hear till yesterday. We all knew Jenkins was most likely, just not happy about it when ward came so cheap and is more than a box safety as the lazy national sign keeps regurgitating

      • cliff henny

        he told his couch…you weren’t listening, that’s your fault

    • Johnny Domino

      Howie always said we may stopgap at safety, now people are shocked he really meant it. That being said, they could come out guns blazing today to sign/trade for Revis, which might be enough to turn the tide of public opinion.

      Who knows, the next big move could be a draft day trade to secure the Dix pick, which would really round out the secondary if the Revis deal comes to pass and mitigate the underwhelming Jenkins signing.

      I would recommend the Dix pick and Dick’s Picks (Volume 15, Englishtown 1977) but advise against dick pix. My two cents.

      • Armchairgm3

        Agree. Howie was pretty honest about Eagles approach. Market got too crazy for Byrd. Can’t hate on either safety signing.

        I thought that is where you were going with the Dix pick. Classic stuff.

  • NickS1

    I’m so excited that we’re rolling over $15mil into next year’s salary cap. Maybe we’ll roll over $20mil into 2016.

    • Andy124

      Saving up for St. Nick.

      • NickS1

        Only way he’s needing all that for just him is if we win the SB this year…

        • Andy124

          What do you mean, “if”???

          • NickS1

            It went from “when” to if yesterday haha

  • TheNest

    Can’t lie…day one was a disappointment. Jenkins is ok and like everyone says he will be an upgrade….I still think they go Pryor in the draft but at this point I just watched a lot of our conference rivals get better while we treaded water….I trust chip but I’m not thrilled

    • Andy124

      Many, including myself, are not remotely convinced he’s an upgrade over either of the guys that were starters when healthy last year.

  • josephr2225

    Stupid Saints. I hope Byrd eats lunches alone in his car.

    • Richard Colton

      I had sour grapes for breakfast too.

      • NickS1

        Too bad they aren’t mashed, fermented, and in your wine glass.

        • Richard Colton

          what makes you think they weren’t?

          • NickS1

            Touche, salesman.

        • Andy124

          And fermented.

          • NickS1

            Don’t think I forgot that part.

      • Septhinox

        That’s not sour grapes. That’s a terrible contract. And stupid eagle fans wanted the team to pay him that. Smh…

      • Joe from Easton

        Don’t you have old grapes with every meal?

    • oreofestar

      I stll have trouble seeing how they can afford that massive contract

      • Richard Colton

        long term, they can’t. they just can’t. But they’re going all-in, Phillies ’09 style. Next year they’ll have Drew, their AllPro TE, and a dangerous secondary.

        • cliff henny

          thought it was 2 or 3 yr Brees run, but not so sure. that offense without sproles will be different, and Graham almost has to be gone now. spending money you cant afford is never a good strategy. Byrd could do more damage to roster than his play helps.

          • Richard Colton

            Graham was tagged at TE, right? He’s there next year at least. Brees is what? 36? This looks like a one year, all-in move by the Saints. Not to mention their 2013 draft; if 2014’s haul is as good, they might really have something next year.

          • cliff henny

            see what that franchise is post Brees. don’t consider them major threat when Eagles should be peaking – hopefully. never know though

          • Richard Colton

            After Brees? They’ll have 26million fall off their cap number. So there’s that. But I agree. Saints will need a major rebuild after Brees & Peyton leave. 2014, however, they and Green Bay scare me the most.

          • Token

            Did you guys see Sproles last year? Hes losing a step. Im sure they will get some other toy in the draft to replace him somewhat. The Saints cut nothing that cant be replaced.

          • aub32

            Agreed. I would definitely say they have improved overall thus far.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        I’m 100% ok with it. Probably more than he’s worth, and NO is losing a lot on the offensive side- Lance moore, sproles, I think 2 OL, and they’re relying on guys like Khiry Robinson and Stills to step up.

        Personally, I think they take a step back. Not really worried about them anymore.

        • Richard Colton

          Their offense spreads the ball around a lot like the Pats. Seems like every year they have different offensive options and Brees still makes it work. I think they found a stud at LT. We all like to tout Howie’s 2013 draft; the Saints’ may have had a better one.

          Like I told Cliff, 2015 – NOL doesn’t scare me. 2014? Yeah.

        • jabostick

          Not to mention that Jimmy Graham and half of that locker room must be losing their mind because they jettisoned a bunch of guys to save cap and then pushed it all into one guy.

          And if Vaccaro’s game benefits from playing alongside Byrd, guess who’s going to want a ton of dough too when his deal is up?

      • morgan c

        I’ve posted this on other boards, but it’s too far down the comments… ya, can someone actually explain that? Sheil or Tim? Acc. to BBarnwell, the Saints had 8 million in cap room after cutting Thomas and Moore, and are giving Byrd 9 million in year 1?! Huh?
        It’s an overpay, so I’m glad Eagles avoided it, but I just don’t get it.

    • Allen Wing

      That comment just made my day

  • Will

    4. Chris Clemons

    2013 Grade: +4.1
    2013 Snaps: 1158

    Summary: Clemons made this same list last year, but after a stellar season he jumped five spots from the ninth-best free agent safety, to No. 4. Last year, with no big offers on the table, he returned to Miami on a one-year deal hoping to increase his value. The former fifth-round pick is now ready to cash in with a long-term deal, and while most will view him as a drop-off from the top three names, he might be a better value. Clemons was our 19th-ranked safety and excelled in coverage — his +7.2 grade in that department was ninth among safeties and he allowed just 0.20 yards per coverage snap, best in the league. However, his run defense grade dipped from +4.4 in 2012 to -3.6 in 2013 and his 14 missed tackles were 13th most of all safeties. Clemons will surely garner more interest than he did last year and be an asset to a team seeking a coverage-minded safety. per PFF

    Wonder if the Eagles have any interest?

  • ICDogg

    Last year’s day 1 signings for the Eagles:
    James Casey, Chung, Jason Phillips, Isaac Sopoaga and Bradley Fletcher

    With a year’s hindsight, want to grade that crop of FA? I would generously give a D minus.

    • NickS1

      I’ll give a C-. Landed a multi-year starter (depending on other cb moves) and…. alright D. You win.

      • Richard Colton

        Casey was OK. Wouldn’t call him a bust. Fletch looked pretty good. Last year day one? was going to say “C” but I changed my mind while I was typing. D.

        • oreofestar

          Nah Casey was a bust

          • Richard Colton

            you might be right. I think he would have seen more if Ertz hadn’t shown flashes of future stardom. His blocking was decent at least.

    • aub32

      You are being way too harsh. Jason Phillips wasn’t meant to start and got injured. Soap was meant to man the NT spot until a young guy was ready. He did that and resulted in draft compensation. Barwin and fletcher are good starters. Solid B

      • NickS1

        Barwin wasn’t Day 1, which is why Day 1 gets the D. You can talk me into a C-, but Soap’s contract said he was meant to be more than an 8 game starter, Chung was iffy, and Casey was brought in to be one of the two TEs, then Ertz fixed that. I’m leaning toward D.

      • Andy124

        He’s referring to day 1, not the entire FA crop. Per ICD, Barwin wasn’t day 1.

        I think the grade depends a lot on how you factor in injuries. For me, I can’t call Jason a bad signing because he got injured. Sop was a little worse than expected. Fletcher was as advertised. Casey did get much of an opportunity, but if we have to grade him for year 1, we have to grade him for what he contributed, which, whlie more than zero, wasn’t much. Chung worked himself in to a competition with Casey Matthews for least popular Eagle.

        I guess I’d give 2013 day 1 a weak C.

        • ICDogg

          The Eagles knew they were signing likely-to-be-damaged goods with Phillips. The gamble did not pay off, and that’s still a bad signing.

          • pjcostello

            A guy who gets injured in pre-season isn’t a ‘bad signing’. If the Eagles today sign Revis, and he gets hurt in training camp, it wasn’t a ‘bad signing’.

          • Andy124

            ?? I thought Jason Phillips tore his ACL during camp? Are you thinking of Kenny Phillips?

          • ICDogg

            Yeah, probably got them mixed up in my head, now that you mention it. Jason wasn’t around long enough for me to remember him much. OK, I guess I have to take him out of the equation. That raises the Eagles up to a D plus for day 1 last year.

          • Andy124

            See that. Things are looking up already.

          • ICDogg

            I feel so much better now

          • cliff henny

            yes, please, be way more specific when talking about ACLs, god knows half the players had one

    • JofreyRice

      Yeah, it sucked. Glad they learned their…uhh….

  • aub32

    To whomever I was arguing about Revis with yesterday, take a look at Malcolm Jenkins quote. Then try telling me again why Revis should have been loyal to the bucs and agreed to a restructure.

    • NickS1

      That was me. And they’re different situations and different players. One is an average at best safety coming off his rookie deal, and one is a top 3 corner in the game who was under contract. Really not comparable situations at all. I get the point, though, about not being offered anything and needed to maximize $. But let’s not act like Revis hasn’t been paid handsomely, either.

      • aub32

        The point was teams aren’t loyal to players. The real difference between the two players is Revis had leverage while like you said Jenkins, being average, did not. So if the team can just cut bait with a player without so much as a pity offer, why shouldn’t the better players get all they can?

        • NickS1

          Didn’t say he shouldn’t. I wanted to know if the Bucs even reached out to him with an offer, knowing that he’s not getting 16 again, or likely even 13… Either way, not going to complain about him on the roster, but I, personally, am not interested in hiring mercenaries. I’ll watch the Expendables if I want to see mercenaries in action.

  • oreofestar

    If the Broncos somehow get Talib Ware and Ward I swear to God…

  • oreofestar

    Okay guys yesterday was horrible but look we got $20mil in cap space after CHung left and Jenkins signed and we can still get Revis or Ware lets hope Howie decides to finally spend

    • Rahkem

      we just signed Safety Nick Mangoros, we’re making moves lol

      • oreofestar

        How much, I never heard of him that is not a good sign

        • Rahkem

          3 years 4 million ,

          • oreofestar

            Jesus….. I never even heard of him

        • JofreyRice

          I’m thinking of springing for the intelius report on him. Only thing I can find.

  • Rahkem

    we just signed Safety Nick Mangoros .. LMAO WTF Howie

    • ICDogg

      Chris Maragos

  • oreofestar

    Who the hell is Nick Mangaros

    • Rahkem

      LMAO hes a good special teamer from seattle, should help our kick coverage alot

      • oreofestar

        I guess this means no Corey Graham

        • Andy124

          I don’t think it’s related to anybody we may target for actual defensive playing time.

          • oreofestar

            He would have been signed with special teams in mind mostly

          • Andy124

            He as in Corey Graham?

        • GEAGLE

          Not at all….we will still try and get Corey..who is more CB, then Safety,
          .
          Corey is actually a dude we will want to use on defense, this isn’t going to be playing much defense unless we suffer a bunch of injuries to our DBs
          ..
          Let’s go Corey!!

    • JofreyRice

      Oh man, I should just stop looking at this shit.

      • Andy124

        Don’t be mad. He’s going to teach our secondary all about Seattle’s PED program.

      • cliff henny

        7 months ago we were begging for this guy.

    • ICDogg

      Chris Maragos

    • Richard Colton

      The Eagles…we sign more mediocre free agents before 9AM than some teams sign all day.

      • Will

        on day 2 yet lol…

  • oreofestar

    Okay what good DBs are left DRC not happening, Tillman he is like 55, Revis maybe but he would cost a lot of money, Thurmond no, and Cromartie is like 47 and every safety left is a bum

  • ICDogg

    Maragos deal: Slightly more than $4M over 3 years, $1M guaranteed. Can max out at $5.3M

    • oreofestar

      God…

      • NickS1

        He replaced Chung. It’s not bad.

        • oreofestar

          ROOOOOAR!!!

        • ICDogg

          I think he’s more of a Colt Anderson replacement.

          • oreofestar

            I would have rather had Corey Graham

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t think this kid means we won’t sign Graham….Signing both would be a MAJOR ST coup…Corey is a player we will use in subpackages, and a player we actually use on defense….this kid is just a ST player…we have to sign Corey today!!!!

          • Will

            They should sign at least a Safety or an OLB so we don’t have to reach in the draft….

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t want to sign OLBs just for the sake of signing OLBs…we have OLBs who do a lot of things really well, but the most important thing, rushing the passer is our weakness…..much rather sign a Nickle situational pass rusher like Ware,peppers! Woodley then pay for more OLB like Neal and Jackson! who rushing the passer isn’t a strength…

            Still think we add one of these safeties: kid from raven Indigno(however the hell u spell his name), Nate, major Wright, Rafael Bush(saints don’t have the money to match),,,none are great safeties, sign the one who brings the most to ST(that’s not Nate)

          • Will

            Ware has a nasty neck injury I thought not so sure I want to gamble on him…

          • Will

            I’ve been disappointed for the last 6 years the Defenses the Eagles have throw together and marched out on the field with the only bright spot switching to a 3-4 last year…so why I got my hopes up is just stupid…Since JJ passed there just isn’t the Defense minded person for the Eagles. Seems Billy Davis is powerless and just has to make due with a bunch of unproven no names…..Tough job….maybe they go heavy Defense in the draft but doubt it….

          • aub32

            Not Peppers. I don’t think he has anything left.

          • Token

            Graham is going to Washington to visit. hes gone.

          • NickS1

            I think we’re splitting hairs.

      • cliff henny

        yeah, not the worst signing. took eagles money, at least the way they spend for FA. if going to shop for backups, Seattles a good place to go

        • JofreyRice

          Shopping for backup safeties on day 2??

          • cliff henny

            seattle’s backups are our starters, yeah…mean, that’s not good either, but the truth

          • JofreyRice

            Eh maybe. I’m not even sure if this guy was first off the bench. Can’t say I know much about him, but I’m not too into signing other teams backups as a strategy.

          • cliff henny

            someone brought him up as mid-season trade (thought it was you) so I watched him…he’s a player. doesn’t get on the field a ton, but when he does, you know he’s out there. willing hitter high energy. it’s not a bad signing for depth…issue is, who’s he depthing for!?!?

          • GEAGLE

            Can’t look at him as a safety….think IIke Reese

          • Token

            From what I can gather hes not a positional player prospect. Hes yet another ST ace. Which we already have a abundance of, didnt help at all last year.

            You go find players that can play a position. Then you coach them ST. For the Eagles ST ability comes before being about to backup a NFL position. Dangerous way to build a roster.

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, and if this guy is Ike Reese…great. Ike Reese didn’t join a team of Ike Reeses. He joined Bobby, Troy, Dawk, Michael Lewis, Trot, Shawn Barber. Maragos is joining a defense that just signed a guy they don’t have super high hopes for (as evidenced by the 3 year contract) a second year player that looked pretty bad at times, along with two other “bridge free agents”, in Williams and Fletcher in the secondary, and whatever guys they bring in from a so-so DB draft.

            I tend to be a little less negative than you, but I think the people who are trying to spin these moves as being really encouraging are fooling themselves. This has been a shitty start, to say the least.

          • Andy124

            Who’s trying to spin these moves as being really encouraging?

          • JofreyRice

            There are tons of folks on here talking about what great value these guys are, how they are improving from Chung (who they just signed with the same philosophy last year), whatever. Fine. We’re never going to be near the cap. FUCKING WHOOPIE! Incremental improvement when they could have done so much better. The lack of moves, when you have a screaming need is, in itself, a bad move. This team is not “rebuilding” like someone said above. They are a decent team trying to become a better team, in a conference that is significantly better than it was the last time they were a contender. It’s an arms race and we’re spending like Belgium. Does this not set off alarm bells like when they wouldn’t go get a reciever for McNabb, or just kept rolling out the same trash at linebacker?

            I apologize if I’m coming off like an ass, I’m not trying to alienate people whose opinions I respect, and who I enjoy talking Eagles with. Signing a shitty starter and a backup special teams ace is fantastically disappointing to me, despite Howie telegraphing the moves since a day after the season ended.

          • Will

            Well put…….spot on…..the new signings do not make us a contender like the top 4-5 teams in this league…….

          • Andy124

            I was just making sure you’re not interpretting my posts as saying that the moves are encouraging. I’m on record as preferring Allen to Jenkins and absolutely wanting to sign Byrd or Ward. But with all the angst, I’ve takien it upon myself to focus on the positive.

          • JofreyRice

            honestly, I think some of you guys have moved into the acceptance phase, while Token and I are stuck back at “anger”.

          • Andy124

            Absolutely.

          • Andy124

            I understand where you’re coming from. Maybe I’m more patient than most. Maybe I’m more fixated on building through the draft than most. Maybe I’m more optimstic about our ability to fill our holes through the draft than most. So I’m not too worked up over a lack of big names in FA.

          • Token

            I trend toward the negative side of things, I realize it. But I honestly am tying to find the positive right now. Maybe hes a legit ST ace? I mean I hope so. But they had a bunch of so called aces last year and it didnt seem to make a difference on ST, and in the end hurts the overall depth of the team.

            Overpaid for a safety that really isnt a upgrade as far as I can tell. But I hear hes a swell guy. Which is even worse considering there were a couple legit options out there.

            They enter the draft still having big needs at the crucial positions of OLB and S. Hopefully they are able to fill OLB in the 1st. S, I dont really see anyone worth picking high. And this is still while having needs elsewhere. Such as WR. Where we are expecting Maclin to come back 100%. I cant forget how bogged down this offense at times this year. They need more weapons. The offense is all we got.

            At this point hopefully they sign Revis. That should help Davis out schematically. Atleast hes a legit top player.

            But if that doesnt happen they are again going to be sitting on 15-20 mil of cap. Cant spin that. Especially with the cap going up a bunch next year. Cap hell is a overblown.

          • JofreyRice

            none of those ST aces could make a stop on the last kickoff of the playoff game (Henery’s fine, I like stats). We needed our shitty bridge CB from last year’s free agency parade to horsecollar the guy.

  • oreofestar

    Revis or Ware or I jump lol I am cranky

  • Will

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6096/chris-maragos

    more of a ST player….3 years 4 million …1 million guaranteed

    • cliff henny

      in fairness, he did play in Seattle, tough place to crack the lineup

      • oreofestar

        yeah he can go to Philly anyone could make our roster at safety…Is it too late to talk Dawkins out of retirement

        • cliff henny

          Dawk?! Andre Waters would be better

          • oreofestar

            Hell aint Mikell free agent why don’t we call him up

  • oreofestar

    I guess that Marngo…whatever his name is signing I guess that means we HAVE to draft safety and we have have to draft at a position that never ends well

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Signed S/ST Chris Maragos

  • Tom W

    Wonder if we sneak graham or browner in today or snag Clemons cheap and a dlineman. I’m over being angry but we whiffed on not getting ward and that number and by all reports we didn’t even try so don’t give me he only wanted to play for broncos. We didn’t even try.

    • Will

      Ward has a nagging shoulder injury so I think they decided to stay away…

    • oreofestar

      Get Clemons out of my face, Rafeal Bush with cost pennies get him the Revis or Ware

      • GEAGLE

        No worries, Clemons sucks, we won’t consider him

    • JofreyRice

      Ugh, just re-sign Allen.

      • cliff henny

        NO!

        • JofreyRice

          Allen might seriously be better than Jenkins, no lie. People are going to curse this guys weak ass arm tackling and coverage skills.

          • cliff henny

            guess they figure can teach tackling…IDK…reid had his linebackers, getting the feeling Eagles are never going to look good on paper at safety unless a draft pick pops. better have serious plan to get a lot more and consistant qb pressure

          • GEAGLE

            I liked Jenk more then most, but what’s really funny is what a bunch of trained lap dog clowns our media is.Have you guys heard our media members fluff Jenkins up since the signing? They are talking about him like we signed Eric Berry.
            .
            D. Gunn: Really talented safety, strong In coverage, sure tackler,not afraid to stick his nose in there lo
            ..
            Didinger(who usually keeps it real) “in some aspects I even like Jenkins more then Byrd. eagles got themselves a player”

            Roob.. “Fantastic young safety, I don’t think philly knows how good this kid is”
            ….
            I liked the kid, I know he brings some improvements to our team, I know he is the best we have had since Mikell, but come on,nHowie has these media lap dogs trained..dudes are talking like we signed an all world safety….WTF

          • Token

            Same thing every year. The media in this town is horrific. Dont even do their research. All anyone needs to know is the Saints dumped this trash so they could go get a real safety. I mean, WTF else does a person need to know?

            But hell, you went from wanting no part of him to liking the kid in a matter of a week.

          • Richard Colton

            I like Ray Didi. But man, he gets ideas about the occasional player and won’t let go. He liked the guy on draft day 2010 and won’t acknowledge his deficiencies

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah, Didi forgot more about football then 90% of our local media has ever known! but he can get weird at times like you said…
            ..
            What I like about him is he is skeptical and never just drinks the cool aid before seeing for himself…when the media was falling in love with Chip this time last year,nDidi remained skeptical, but I like that when Chip proved himself, he wasn’t afraid to change his tune and acknowledge that he has fallen for Chip …?BUT yes, he can get fixated on players, he was a big believer of Worlids…
            ..
            I don’t have to always agree with media, but I really respect the few that watch film for themselves and form their on opinion on players instead of regurgitating the popular opinion…and since 95% of our local media are lazy. Clueless blowhards, I really appreciate the few who actually put in the work to be able to know what they are talkng about

          • Richard Colton

            His Saturday football show is the only thing on WIP worth listening to

          • aub32

            really good comment

  • Will

    Well the Eagles Defense didn’t do anything to help them scare any Offense in the NFL especially the better ones in the league. So I guess we play bend not break BS Defense again this year….

  • WilmingtonDan

    Woo-hoo! We got a new Colt Anderson!

  • cliff henny

    he signed for about 1m/per, which is as close to NFL FA free as a team can get. not a big name, but the guy can play a little. 3rd/4th safety, can do a lot worse…like eagles 1st and 2nd safety right now, but that’s a different argument

  • Tom W

    Wouldn’t mind a look at James Starks to push the kids at running back and provide a tough runner inside. Former duck Blount may come cheap too. Bargain basement time. How bout Asomah at guard to backup/push Todd if he didn’t sign already … Fat Cody?

    • pjcostello

      Asmoah signed, I believe, elsewhere… love the idea of Blount coming here in a rotational role, but I think the team sees the same north-south player in Chris Polk.

      Now SPROLES, on the other hand…

  • Ark87

    Is the melt-down over? We wanted the birds to be all in this year, it looks like that isn’t happening. Looks like the birds will largely focus on getting better the old fashioned way. My guess is that while we could afford some of the big names this year, it would lead to tough decisions next year. A bunch of young talent becomes eligible for a new deal, including Nick Foles, which could get hefty if we make the playoffs and win a game or 2. Howie isn’t making sense for 2014, which usually means he’s making sense for 2014-2016.

    • cliff henny

      a lot of that argument got twisted. most people are one board with drafting, developing and signing early on a discount as the main strategy. then, using FA as a tool to fill in gaps. no one was suggesting they sign 3 or 4 top names, just a guy to increase talent level, particularly at safety. but so many names were being tossed out, it sounded like all were wanted.

      • aub32

        Exactly. Paying to sign Byrd and Jenkins would not have hampered anything we wanted to do next year. People are acting like Kedricks is going to get some huge contract or that Boykin is going to command Sam Shields money.

        • Ark87

          Foles?

          • aub32

            10M increase in the cap. Cole will be gone. Herremans will be gone. Ryans may be gone. Graham will be gone. So there will be plenty of cap room.

          • Will

            Wow and just leftovers to pick thru in FA way to go Howie…WTF….

      • Ark87

        Very True. Still, cell phone went off last night, byrd got signed by Saints. I came here, several stages of outrage. First stage, disbelief: “WHAT! HOW! THEY CAN’T AFFORD THAT!” Then the rage…at pretty much everyone…then the despair. I’m just saying, apparently we didn’t want Ward (though he would have been ideal in the wide-9 days). And Byrd, he certainly would be a great addition for 2014, but he had some foot injury issues and is getting older, and can’t afford to lose a step. I would have liked to have Byrd, am I bewildered that Howie didn’t pony up the cash if he didn’t think his value matched the contract he got? Not really.

        We kind of got exactly what Howie said he was going to do.

        • cliff henny

          it’s funny, Howie stands there and tells us over and over again the truth, and we just don’t believe him.

    • Will

      We were 1 and done last year…The Defense could not protect the lead and your place kicker was a 40 yd joke…nothing has changed that….good luck if we make the play offs again…

      • Ark87

        An argument can be made that we will fare worse this year than we did last year. We had some stuff go our way last year. Hopefully a lot of the stuff in question is no fluke and we can repeat it. If it isn’t, the buzz word will be “regression to the mean”.

    • ICDogg

      I think throwing money at big name free agents on day one of free agency is a very poor percentage bet. You’ll hit on a few, might hit big on one once in a while, but more often than not these players become expensive disappointments and cap casualties a few years down the line. Just because a player is good for one team in one system does not mean he will be good for another team that does things differently.

      • GEAGLE

        Generally I probably agree….but while everyone is pissed Ward and a Byrd aren’t eagles, think the one mistake we made was not signing Micheal Johnson.SURE HIS deal looks lucrative, but it was a very fair price for a kid who would man one of the most important positions for the next 4 years…OLB is crucial, they will always cost money. Hardy getting 12m on the Tag, Everson Griffin has never stared and got 20mil in Guarentees…all things considered, MJ signed to a fair price, and not adding him was a blown opportunity

        • Adam G

          You are naming all defensive ends, not OLB. Johnson has never played OLB in a 3-4 and will not be playing one. Thats a ton of money to pay a guy to switch positions.

          • Will

            What about Neal? Did he play OLB in a 3-4?

          • Adam G

            No, but IF they do sign him, it will be for a lot less than Johnson, who has never played LB. Neal has at least played D end and OLB.

          • GEAGLE

            The OLB we sign needs to have rushing the passer as one of his strengths…Neal isn’t that guy

          • GEAGLE

            Hahahahaha that’s just silly…..you see how we use 4-3DEs at OLB(BG,Cole) does that mean Cole is a better OLB then DE? Course not…..there are PLENTY of DEs and the NFL who SHOULD be playing OLB…you have a “DE” like Everson Grffin who signed on with a 4-3 team, but he will tell you himsef that he is better suited to play OLB…MJ is more of an OLB, then he is DE, just do happens h has been on teams that use a 4man line and he is good enough to be able to handle DE…but MJ, Everson Griffin would be better OLBs then DEs, which is why I write about THOSE players instead of DE’s like Jared Allen, who SHOULD be playing DE……MJ is Chips IDEAL OLB, and we blew a nice opportunity to get right at such an important position…because he was affordable, I wonder if our Lack of interest comes from having good preliminary discussions with the Dolphins about Dion

          • Adam G

            Oh ok. Makes perfect sense you see MJ as a 3-4 OLB but nobody else did, especially the team that just signed him. Maybe you should apply for a GM job.

          • GEAGLE

            No one else did? God you are stupid..sorry, I can’t spend my time explaining to you MJs career trajectory, what he played in College, and all the teams that play a 3-4 who considered him….
            ….Trent Cole and BG are OLBs now, does that mean a 4-3 team shouldn’t trade for them? Just out of curiosity, how old are you? In your teens for sure right??
            ..
            Cox is a single gap, 4-3DL, yet we made him into a 3-4 two gapper…

            Lol players get moved around all the time, different positions, different schemes…sorry, but u have to have the brain of a child if you think every single player who currently lines up at DE, can’t play OLB…

            Everson Griffin just got 20 friggin million in Guarentees to play DE, yet he will tell anyone who listens that he is better suited for 3-4 OLB

            Ware was a 3-4 OLB. Who just last year was moved to DE..
            ..
            This is such a simple minded debate that I don’t even know how you got me to answer lol…..if you are going to act like a cocky shit, have some idea wtf you are talking about….enjoy your day

          • Adam G

            Cox got moved because the coaching regime changed and so did the scheme. Same with Ware, how did that work out by the way? And by the way, if you want to have some real debate about intelligence, lets get to it. Not every commenter is a teenager. Players change positions, sure, but paying a player a rather large contract, on potential, and also a position change is forcing it. Chip preaches fit. You obviously didn’t get the memo.

          • Will

            What do you think just happened with Jenkins being signed lol…based on Athleticism and potential…lol….

          • Adam G

            Who said that? Did the Eagles say they signed him for that? Or his fit with the system and his high character?

          • Will

            CB converted to Safety based on Athleticism and potential….lol…or did we sign a CB which means the Safety spot is still a mess…lol…

          • Adam G

            He’s been playing safety since 2010, nice try though.

          • Will

            Well we got him so going to give him the benefit of not doubting his ability but think we just signed another Nate Allen bc the price was right….

          • RIP illa

            Vey well done Geags! Props for not going over the top also. Think some of what Andy said last night might have stuck with you. Either way, great way to own that guy!!!

          • GEAGLE

            What did Andy say? Lol

          • RIP illa

            Smh while lmao. :-)

          • Adam G

            You must have fast internet in your Mom’s basement.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup….”MOM!!!!!!! Make me some MEATLOAF….NOW!!!!!!!!”

          • cliff henny

            got her at a funeral…a funeral. it’s not even fair, like shooting fish in a barrel.

          • joyriding

            Chip doesn’t have any control over defense.

        • ICDogg

          MJ would have been an OLB for us, I guess?

          • Adam G

            Dude got a monster contract for somebody who had 3.5 sacks last year. Also, you think he’s the type of guy you want on your team who goes to a team in the cellar just for money? Look at the totality of the circumstances, it’s not a vacuum.

          • ICDogg

            I don’t blame any player for doing that. He may only have one chance to cash in during his career, he shouldn’t feel like he has to do so at a discounted rate.

            But would it have been a good signing for the Eagles at that rate? I don’t think so but you never know. As far as I know he’s been a 4-3 DE.

          • Adam G

            To each his own, but you would prefer guys that would take less to win. I’m not saying he shouldn’t do that, but there is strong evidence that big FA signings on bad teams generally don’t pan out. Desire is huge in the NFL, and if number one is money, it usually doesn’t work. He’s up and down, and got a huge contract for limited production last year. 3.5 sacks is a crazy low number.

          • GEAGLE

            Hahahaha the morons who judges a player by his sack total, telling me to think of the totality of the circumstances hahahah that’s rich.l.he had 61 QB hurries this year you dope, 8pbus, and graded out as an elite run defender, and I have to listen to a simple minded fool talk to me about his sack total,a s if I didn’t know what it was before I wrote the post?

          • Adam G

            Nothing like crafting an argument to support a conclusion, not the other way around. Oh by the way, he got a contract that puts him in top 10 highest paid defensive ends. Let it rest, dude was insanely overpaid.

  • Andy124

    Last year we had a second year guy who started a handful of games and finished the year injured. He didn’t light up the world, but he showed flashes of promise and steady improvement. Many thought he should be starting going in to his second year, but he wasn’t handed the job. You know what Nick did.

    This year we’ve got a second year guy who started a handful of games and finsihed the year injured. He didn’t light up the world, but he showed flashes of promise and steady improvement. Many think he should be starting going in to his second year. Let’s see what Wolff does.

    The plan is to acquire impact players through the draft and use the cap to re-sign our homegrown playes. I’m still happy to give the plan the time it needs to work. Wolff could be that impact safety. Malcom can provide leadership and guidance than Nate and Patrick couldn’t. Maybe somebody we draft this year becomes our impact safety.

    Don’t forget your towel and Don’t Panic.

    • Will

      With no real steady pressure from your front 7 it puts pressure on your back end which is the weakest part of the D. Billy Davis has his work cut out….

      • Andy124

        Impact pass rushing OLB in the draft. Give the plan time. Our window is 2015-2016 and beyond. We’ve still got our QB for the next 999 years. Be patient.

        • Will

          What plan? Win a SB with scrub Safeties?

          • cliff henny

            elite OLB…now, just have to find those guys….or, put up 50 every game

          • Andy124

            And is better than or. :)

          • cliff henny

            impact FA was signed 2weeks ago, Maclin. offense is going to be nasty

          • Will

            never was impressed with Mac yet to break out a 1,000 yd season….Denver had by far 1 of the best Offenses in the NFL last year and was a no show in the SB wonder why? Ran into a Great Defense…

          • cliff henny

            they ran into a defense that played20 deep, showed something only Seattle can run as a base, and exposed a bad o-line. more going on than #1 defense beat #1 offense, again. in today’s nfl, given choice, i’ll always take my teams offense being better than other’s and let them have better defense. this is not saying my defense can stink.

          • aub32

            I have to disagree Cliff. We just saw the best offense in the history of the game, manned by a HOF QB, get destroyed. I would still take elite defenders over elite skill players. Teams can find guys off of the street to play RB. WRs only have to make so many plays when the D keeps the other team under 17 ppg. Plus elite defenses can score points as well. Think about it. The Hawks defense outscored the Denver offense.

          • cliff henny

            sure, Seattle was an all-time defense. i’m talking macro, not on a micro scale. but that game also had ‘perfect storm’ element to it. Denver’s o-line was destroyed. nfl is all about match-ups, Seattle really exposed Denver, unlike few teams could.

          • aub32

            Again, I disagree. I think SF would have done something similar. Denver didn’t have to face anywhere near the level of defenses that are in the NFC. SEA, SF, CAR, and ARZ all would have given that offense fits in my opinion. My point is that an elite defender can do more for you than an elite offensive player outside of QB.

          • Andy124

            Uh, third paragraph. First sentence. That plan.

            And your post completely discounts Wolff. Have a little hope for the guys we draft, man.

        • aub32

          We can’t count on the draft to produce an OLB. That’s not because there isn’t talent there, but what if there’s a chance to get a really high graded CB or WR. It would be nice to have an upgrade already in place. We still could go OLB even if we picked up a good one in FA.

          • Andy124

            I think they are counting on the draft to produce an OLB. This year, next year, whenever. You want to send a guy to the pro-bowl? Draft him.

          • aub32

            That’s just silly. There were plenty of guys that went to the pro bowl that were FAs, including Peters and Mathis. Also, saying that in some draft in some year we will get an OLB is not an answer. It’s a cop out. We have been going through the draft to find ourselves a safety for years. We even used 2 back to back 2nd round picks. Yet neither guy is even on this team right now. So drafting a player is definitely not the only way to get a pro bowler, nor is a position guaranteed to be solved through the draft just because it is a focus.

          • Will

            Yup Wolff was lights out played every game went to the Pro Bowl …lol…..

          • Andy124

            I agree, it’s not the only way. I’m saying that’s the Eagles MO right now. Do you disagree?

            It’s not like Mathis was a pro-bowler when they signed him.

          • aub32

            I agree that seems to be their MO. I disagree with the strategy. We saw what happened to the Broncos with a great offense and average to below average defense. We saw it with the Pats before that. The Broncos and Saints must have recognized it as well because both broke the bank to go beef up their defense. We will see the result this year.

          • Andy124

            And Seattle built their D through the draft. They topped off with some decent FAs, but it’s not like they were signing guys that were top-5 at their position. There’s not just one strategy that works.

          • aub32

            Look at who started on their D. They started FAs like Avril and Bennet. Meanwhile their draft picks like Irvin sat on the bench. I don’t know about you, but I am not banking on us picking a Sherman level talent in the 5th as a reason not to go after 1 or 2 big name FAs.

          • Andy124

            Right, but those guys weren’t huge signings. The Eagles make those kinds of signings. Those are Barwin and Sconce type signings that worked out really well. Not Byrd type deals.

          • aub32

            Whoa whoa whoa. They might not have been big money deals, but signing guys like red Bryant, avril, and Bennet were much bigger names than sconce and barwin. The Avril signing caused all types of talk about SEA getting into an arms race with SF, who btw signed guys like Moss and traded for Boldin. Now DEN and NO are making these splash signings. I’m not whining because the Raiders or Bills gave guys $100M contracts. These guys that we could have had went to teams that were already ahead of us last year.

          • Andy124

            Avril maybe. I don’t agree on Bennett.

          • Richard Colton

            True. I’d be willing to parse Andy’s answer by saying they will address “pass rushing” early in the draft, even if it’s not necessarily “OLB.” Plenty of places it can come from: DE, NT, ILB, OLB. Even S. Have to figure on one of those positions early in the draft.

    • aub32

      That’s a bit of a reach 124. They are completely different positions. Plus Foles had a lot of talent around Foles. (OL, DJax, Shady, Celeck, Ertz) We don’t exactly have star talent in our secondary to assist Wolff. Now I would be fine with Wolff is Byrd were next to him. However, I think we have a right at this point to be more skeptical than hopeful.

      • Andy124

        Skeptical and hopeful can co-exist. I wanted Byrd too. But like Ark, I think the conversation needed some balance.

        • aub32

          We can provide balance when the team actually improves. I get this is all on paper, but I am of the belief that we did not have the talent to match up with SF, SEA, or the Broncos last year. The Broncos are getting better on defense and should have an offense that catch match ours. The Hawks and 9ers are still a bit away in regard to overall talent. I think seeing a position that has haunted us for so long slip away is reason for a little unrest.

          • Andy124

            Kinda the point of the co-exist statement. Not trying to make the case that there’s no reason to be disappointed. I can be disappointed and still be hopeful for the best case scenario.

          • aub32

            Well I think we are all still hopeful. Even though oreo has been panicking more than chicken little, I am sure he’s hopeful. I mean he hasn’t jumped yet. At the same time though Raiders fans are hopeful. Hope doesn’t win games. Talent does. We all hope that every draft pick will turn out to be a HOFer, but we have to be realistic. Realistically, Jenkins and Wolff is not a very good looking safety tandem heading into 2014.

          • Andy124

            Realistically, it looks better than Chung and Allen.
            Realistically, it takes time to build through the draft.
            Realistically, it takes time to rebound from 4-12.
            Realistically, if we don’t continue to hit on our draft picks, we’re screwed regardless of what FAs we sign.

            Hope doesn’t win games, but it sure as hell makes the offseason more fun. :)

          • aub32

            I’d be more hopeful and having more fun if one of my starting safeties was named Jairus Byrd. I’d be more hopeful if my starting ROLB was actually suited to play the 3-4, or if his backup was suited to play the 3-4. Teams don’t rebound from 4-12? What about the Colts? What about the 49ers? Both of those teams rebounded pretty well. Bad teams and bad organizations don’t rebound from 4-12. That’s not to say we are a bad team or a bad organization. I am making the point that we have a right to expect more because good teams and good organizations do in fact bounce back.

          • Andy124

            I’m right there with you at ROLB. To me, that’s a bigger issue than our safeties. And I didn’t say good teams don’t rebound. I said it takes time.

            I don’t see the Colts as being significantly ahead of us right now, and they’re a year further in to their bounce.

            The 9ers were bad for a long time and accumulated a lot of talent by draft high for a number of years in a row.

          • aub32

            The Colts also had a much worse team than we did when they went 1-15 or 2-14 (I can’t remember). I also think they would have stood a chance at making an even deeper run had Wayne not gotten hurt.

            I just don’t want to miss our window. Granted, Foles is young, but I still don’t view him as a top 12 QB. So to me the weapons and line are what I am looking at. DJax is going into his 7th year. We never know when a RB might fall off. Peters and Mathis are in their 30s. In my opinion these guys are special and won’t be easy to replace. I’d like to see us take advantage of them.

          • Will

            Good Luck without a D to back them up….The Defense can be upgraded a lot easier than the Offense. Which would make a better overall team…..???

          • aub32

            That was my point and I wanted them to sign one of the big safeties. It’s also why I still hope we pull off a CB or pass rusher.

          • joyriding

            I’m dying to know what 12 QB’s you think are better than Foles. I’ll give you that there are 5 i’d take. But, the guy finished with better statistics than just about every QB not named Manning last year. Not sure what else ya want…

          • aub32

            I have said this before. One year in very fortunate circumstances does not a franchise QB make. I will give you names though so that I am not throwing out arbitrary numbers

            Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Brees, Luck, Big Ben, Rivers, Wilson, Ryan, Baby Manning, Kaep, RG3.
            ….
            I am sure some of you disagree. Here are my arguments for the ones that are questionable:
            ….
            Baby Manning: Like it or not he won 2 rings. I cannot declare Foles is a better QB after only one good season.
            ….
            Kaep: Kaep and Foles are on the same level IMO. They both have very different skill sets. However, Kaep has shown up in big games. Foles has not yet.
            ….
            RG3: When healthy, RG3 took a team with less talent and coaching to the playoffs. No he didn’t put up Foles numbers. However, I will not just dismiss what he did his first year because he played hurt in his second. This one is the most debatable and I could honestly have no problem putting Foles ahead of him at 11.

    • Stuart Philp

      All this means is we still need to draft a safety early and let them compete for a spot. We didn’t lock down one of the spots, but we brought in a guy who can compete for one.

      • Andy124

        We rolled in to the draft with Allen and Chung as the starters last year and didn’t draft a safety early. Jenkins and Wolff looks like a better pair to me.

        I’m sure they’ll take a guy if he’s there, but I don’t think it’s at a point where we’re going to go all Jaiquan Jarrett.

        • Will

          Think they like Deone Buccannon and figure he will drop to the 56th pick….

          • GEAGLE

            All you have to do is watch his games against Oregon and u will know that we like him..Think he could be the best safety in this entire draft, so lasting to 56th scares the Bejesus out of me…

            I just wanted us to sign quality at safety and OLB, so we could have draft flexibility and not be forced to draft those positions early…so far, nothing has changed on that front…if we don’t add ware or Dion, we will be stuck having to draft OLB in first two rounds…no idea where Bailey falls to! but we need a talented young safety

          • Will

            Do you actually believe the Eagles draft OLB followed by Safety in the Second round? Na not the Birds….

          • GEAGLE

            Hoping we trade away our first round pick, either for Dion, or more picks…the players I want are reaches at 22.,..unless Evans or Barr fall to 22, I don’t want to keep that pick, getting an extra 2nd rounder means we could get Deone and maaaaaarcus daaaaarling in round 2, and then Yous can spend the rest of the picks on offense for all i care

          • Will

            From everything I’ve read or heard Dion ain’t happening….options at OLB in FA drying up and so is Safety…

          • aub32

            Would you part with a 3rd and Graham to move up to get either Barr or Evans?

          • Richard Colton

            3rd round pick or 3rd child? either way, yes.

          • aub32

            That doesn’t mean much. Everyone knows that after the initial novelty of having the 3rd baby, you would trade that joker for a gaetanos cheesesteak.

          • Richard Colton

            Gaetanos = underrated
            Genos = overrated
            Jims = disgusting

          • aub32

            At least tourists know nothing about Gaetanos. So you never have to wait in some ri “dumb” diculous line

          • Richard Colton

            Look, it could happen. It’s unlikely that it will.

          • DharmaBum

            Agreed. I think Bucannon is the guy I want. He could definitely end up being the best S in this draft. I just hate having to go into the draft hoping to much for one specific player, as a result of our free agency results.

          • Richard Colton

            You would hate to have to do it. The Eagles simply refuse to do it. They’re following their (now 24 month old) blueprint. I’m participating in this freakout because I can’t believe something so predictable actually happened.

    • Richard Colton

      Eagles’ Safety Position = Mostly Harmless

  • Eagles1018

    I can’t with this team. Consistently mediocre and proud. I’m an Eagles fan

  • Eagles1018

    Do they realize we have a first place schedule this year? We play the entire NFC West so that’s 4 hard games right there. 6 division games where there’s familiarity so those aren’t gimme type games either. Plus we have to play Carolina. The playoffs are not promised this season

    • cliff henny

      went 1-3 against AFC west, cant do much worse than that, still ended 10-6. beat crap out of NFC east, all will be fine

      • Will

        Till the play offs…lol…

        • cliff henny

          expect a ton of growth from ’12and ’13 draft class. full year under Kelly and crew.

      • Eagles1018

        I see 8-8 record:

        FUTURE OPPONENTS
        2014
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        • Eagles1018

          5 losses I see for sure. 3 or 4 iffy games. I say at best we go 10-6 again but 9-7 is more realistic

        • cliff henny

          10 wins would be great. probably means Eagles improved a lot. just never know how injuries will shake out. Carolina looks tough today, doubt they’ll be much when game is played. thing change fast. AZ, bet they don’t have great year either.

          • Eagles4Life

            9-7, buddy boy. Stamp it.

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t care about our record when we will smack our division around…thrilled to see Giants lose Linval Joseph to Vikings (lol I got flamed for telling TY Law he was an idiot for writing that the eagles would make 20mil additions to the DL)
            ..surprise surprise we like logan, and the DL we add will be a bench player, and NOT the Giant run stuffing NT fans spent months clamoring over…..although Rashard was a nice RB signing for Giants, and they got som decent OL help

      • Token

        No last place schedule this year. No other teams best player being hurt in half the games this year.

        • Andy124

          No losing Maclin in preseason this year. No entire team learning brand new systems this year. No quarterback with less than 16 starts. No Patrick Chung. No Isaac Sopoaga. No HC in his first year in the NFL. No idea how much the opponents will progress or regress from last year. No need to be so pessimistic. No way to KNOW what’s going to happen. Sit back and enjoy the ride. It’s a long one.

          • cliff henny

            nostra-token.

          • GEAGLE

            Nostra(our in Italian) idiota (idiot)

        • cliff henny

          and you know how the injuries will shake out how? schedule isn’t all that different. worrying about schedule is waste of time

          • Token

            lol ok guys. Ugh, some people will never learn. Not even after all these decades of the same shit.

          • cliff henny

            learn that you are most negative post-twisting poster ever? no, I’ve learned that.

          • Token

            Eagles fans arent that smart. Lurie loves it.

          • GEAGLE

            Really sucks without the downvoted huh henney

          • cliff henny

            right, I used to just be able to DV. not sure how disgus thought taking that away would create less confrontation

    • Ark87

      I’m kind of excited for our schedule. In this division, we can face all the biggest nastiest defenses in the league, possibly lose them all, and still go to the playoffs. Great teams are teams you hope to avoid in the playoffs as long as possible, but during regular season, it’s pretty awesome to see. We’ll know if this Offense is for real.

  • cliff henny

    Hey Howie, sign a 5th string RB, or anything on offense…way more fun to talk about Eagles offense

  • Will

    The Eagles still need a place kicker, OLB and a true gifted Safety that’s the holes going forward…..Can’t wait to see this year’s draft….

    • Token

      Nope. They are taking the draft for 3-4 years and hope for the best approach. They arent serious. I cant imagine the rookies doing well enough to prevent this team from taking a step back this year.

      • Andy124

        Then your imagination is extremely weak lol.

        • Token

          What rookie is stepping in and putting us over the top? Give me some idea.

          • Will

            Jenkins/Wolff with Mangoose making a push at Safety and a PS guy so yeah real enthused about the Safety group Go Eagles…lol….

          • GEAGLE

            we have a ton of young players who will be better then the players you remember from this past year? Just think how much better r young kids played this year compared to how you were talking about them as bums this time last year after the horrible 2012 season. 365 days ago the talk was we had NO TALENT and were in for another historically bad defense….then the young kids worked and IMPROVED!!!! Yesterday’s free agent haul is nothing to celebrate, but in reality. We could have done NOTHING and ATleast half of our players will be better the they were last year

            I get a kick out of fans lol…they see young players,and they expect them to be the same player they were the year before lol SMH….

          • Token

            Yea, the Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz’s of the world are gonna push us right to the top of the NFC.

          • Richard Colton

            Wrong two guys to get upset about today. Lane/Zach are reasons to be hopeful.

          • Token

            Yea not really hating on them. But they arent guys that propel your team to a new level.

          • Andy124

            Say it again, but with real feeling this time.

          • cliff henny

            seriously, if this is how you think and believe, I feel bad for you. for the amount of time and energy you put into Eagles, and 2 young promising guys taste like soiled cheerios to you, it must really stink.

          • Token

            I wanna win titles. Not be these guys best friend.

          • cliff henny

            that title year will be fun for you, but the drive up to it, looks like a miserable ride for you, from where i’m sitting.

          • Andy124

            Over the top? Well that’s a completely different statement than “prevent this team from taking a step back”. Which is it?

            And if our second and third year guys progress and we manage to snag our impact pass rusher in the draft, no reason we can’t be better than last year.

          • Token

            yea, thats what I thought.

          • Andy124

            You thought you changed arguments midstream and I would notice?

          • cliff henny

            ha, no, it’s your fault for not responding to his next ‘moving goalpost’ post.

          • Andy124

            He’s right. I’ll never learn. lol

          • cliff henny

            you’re dumb, Lurie loves you

          • Andy124

            Along with #5, that makes 2. I’m moving up in the world!

      • pjcostello

        A step BACK…? Who did we lose? By my count, SO FAR, we’ve gained Maclin at WR, two top special teamers (counting the LB who they signed last year, but was hurt), and an upgrade at safety. I don’t know how you upgrade your roster but get worse/go backwards.

        • Token

          WTF is upgraded? We are hoping Maclin can play. Signed the 15th ST ace on the roster. And a bum safety that at best is Nate Allens equal.

          No last place schedule.

          • pjcostello

            Right. My bad. I forgot to whom I was replying.

    • Eagles1018

      “Can’t wait to see…..” It’s the way of the Eagles fan base.

      • Token

        “Maybe next year”.

        “Contend in a couple years”

        Endless cycle.

        • Will

          Ain’t that the stinking truth….

  • guest

    All you bitches need to STOP CRYING!!! I assume that since you’re on this site, you follow the Eagles. And if you follow the Eagles, you should not be surprised at all about what happened yesterday. Malcolm Jenkins was the best fit of the safeties and made the most sense at that price tag.

    For those of you talking about, “why didn’t we sign Ward to that number?” BECAUSE HE WOULDN”T SIGN HERE AT THAT NUMBER!! One commenter says “we didn’t even try.” How do you know? You have no idea.

    Plus, we’re not the Broncos! Denver is one of the top 2 teams in the league (and the other one doesnt need safeties). They have Peyton Freaking Manning at QB, and probably told him they were going to get Talib or Revis and then either Ware, Allen, or Peppers. Plus, its Denver. He can smoke weed there (I’m sure thats why Talib signed there).

    Why on earth would he take less money to come to Philly, where we are still rebuilding, when he can go directly to a contender

    • cliff henny

      first post first sentence…strong opening! didn’t read rest, but looking forward to shorter posts Dan.

      • Richard Colton

        It’s windy in Delaware. They have to yell.

        • guest

          Not sure who you think i am, but I’m not Dan and I’m not from Delaware. I just dont have time to sit on these message boards all day, so I dont have an account.

          Thats not a knock on you guys. Most of you are intelligent and offer well thought out analysis and I enjoy reading what many of you have to say. But some people on here are just crybabies. Waaa waaa, we didn’t sign the biggest free agent! Waaa.

          Maybe Bill Davis just didn’t think TJ Ward was a good fit for his defense (like many analysts have suggested). Maybe Ward rubbed Kelly the wrong way at Oregon. Maybe Ward is one strike away from being suspended under the drug policy (which would not be public info at this point, but teams will know), and most teams didn’t want to take that risk and thats why his price tag was low. (Denver clearly doesn’t care about that sort of thing, seeing as how they brought Talib to a place where pot is legal).

          • Richard Colton

            That’s a shame. Because your name keeps coming up “Wilmington Dan” and I hardly ever get a chance to use my Delaware material.

            We’re just freaking out. Completely normal and rational for a fanbase that’s never won a Super Bowl. My biggest issue is that this Jenkins/Ward/Byrd thing is overshaddowing the resigning of DONNIE JONES. This is Stacy’s…I mean Donnie Jones’ day.

          • guest

            I’m in complete agreement. Donnie Jones was by far the most important signing by any team yesterday

            My name comes up as “Wilmington Dan?” Thats weird. Maybe I’ll go with it though

          • guest

            The point is, there’s not one of us here that truly knows what goes on between teams and free agents. So its silly and immature to cry about it when we dont get the guy we THINK is the best player for our team.

            Plus, we see everything through green-tinted glasses. Did I want them to come out and try to get Byrd and Ward to come as a package deal, like someone on here suggested? Of course I did. That would have been awesome. But I dont pretend that I know everything about these guys, so I’m not heartbroken when they dont get the guy I want

          • aub32

            That is a practical way of looking at things, but it kind of defeats the point of being a fan and having an opinion. What if we took that same attitude toward the game. Well Henery missed a 40 yard kick that could have won us the division, but I had no idea that he just had an argument with his mom before the game and was distracted. O well….I guess there’s always next year.

    • Richard Colton

      Jenkins jerseys now on sale at the team store – since you don’t pay sales tax, Win-Win.

    • Will

      The bend don’t break Defense is painful to watch especially with the game on the line and you can’t protect a lead….hope you enjoy blowing leads and being 1 and done in the play offs if we make it this year….just disgusted….and the draft is a crap shoot at best so do not see much hope in nabbing a starting OLB and Safety both…….

    • Eagles1018

      I’m gonna sign up as “guest” with no avatar and curse everyone out. Seems fun…..

    • DharmaBum

      Yeah, maybe Ward wouldn’t sign to that number, but you can’t tell me that we wouldn’t have come up to what Ward did sign for, in terms of compensation. There’s something we’re missing here, about this story. Sure, there was more guaranteed money for Ward, but you can’t tell me that a few hundred thousand dollars a year necessitated Jenkins over Ward. Something’s up with that.

    • Nfl All Day

      Ok Howie. We know it’s you. Don’t be so sensitive buddy. Buck up. Literally.

    • Will

      We know you failed miserably in Day 1 of FA Howie and this is a PR nightmare for you with all the talk about the Safety and OLB help that is desperately needed…Now your screwed going into the draft wanting to take BPA with 2 glaring needs on your Defense..way to go…….Eagles Fans do not cry we scream with out rage over your choices on how to improve a football team since you are oblivious clueless on how to do it!

  • DharmaBum

    As much as I’d have liked to have gotten him, I don’t really have a problem with the Saints signing Byrd. Way too much money for us to responsibly make that deal. What I have a problem with is the Ward signing. Sure, the Broncos are coming off the SB and have Manning, et al…blah blah blah. But there HAS to be something more to the story. The numbers were so close to the Jenkins money, that I want an explanation. Did Chip/Howie decide they didn’t want Ward at any price? Did Ward decide the same thing about us? Was he thought to be that bad a fit? What was it? Hopefully, that comes out, because it’s really confusing.

    I’m ok with everything else, so far, but it will really bother me if we never find out what happened there.

  • ia

    Just what I thought: no big name signings.
    I predict they’ll take a good veteran safety/olb, at the end of his career, that has to serve as mentor for what comes out of the draft.
    Continuing to build for the future.
    Defense already looks better.
    Chip can work miracles with players by using them at their strengths. So he’ll take enough guys that together with all their skills cover all the needs.

  • Will

    Day 2 of FA and the Fans are disappointed in the lack of moves….with a chance to really strengthen our Defense the Eagles FO just laid an egg. Once again just do not care about having a stout defense. They just figure with a great Offense we can go all the way and win a SB. Forgetting this high powered Offense struggled at times to produce points….The Eagles are not stupid they just have a thinking problem…

  • pjcostello

    I’m good with the Jenkins signing, but the FA grade is ‘incomplete’ so far. Give me DeMarcus Ware and Darren Sproles, and I’ll do a little happy-dance in my office.

  • oreofestar

    Can the Broncos still afford Ware after Ward and Talib I will be pissed he if he takes less to go there this aint the nba

    • pjcostello

      In truth, they shouldn’t… they play a base 4-3, and Ware is miscast as a 4-3 DE; he’s a 3-4 OLB, and I think he has a lot left in the tank.

      • oreofestar

        I am just thinking after spending $41mil in guaranteed in 2 players yesterday are the still gonna sign Ware

        • pjcostello

          I think they’ll try, but I think it’s a mistake for both sides.