Three Eagles Numbers That Matter

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Here are three free agency-related Eagles numbers that matter.

18 – The number of missed tackles last year for Panthers safety Mike Mitchell, according to Pro Football Focus. That was tied for most among safeties.




As we've mentioned in this space, the Eagles are one of the teams that has looked into signing Mitchell. But it seems like many of you would be against the move based solely on the missed tackles number. And that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Regular Birds 24/7 readers know I like incorporating stats when they make sense. But statistical analysis is extremely difficult with safeties, who oftentimes aren't even in the TV shot. Take Mitchell, for example. He played 920 total snaps. Let's assume for a second that his missed tackles came on 18 different plays. That is still a limited sample that accounts for less than 2 percent of his overall snaps. In other words, roughly 98 percent of the time, he was on the field for a play where he didn't miss a tackle. How did he perform in those instances?

Missed tackles are subjective. The number can vary depending on who's doing the charting, and a difference of two missed tackles can make a world of difference when using terms like tackling efficiency. Also, most safeties are going to have high numbers (14 of them missed at least 14 tackles, per PFF, including Earl Thomas). And three, tackling is something a player can improve on. We saw that last year with Nate Allen.

Tackling is obviously an important part of playing defense for any NFL player. But it is still only a part of the big picture. Mitchell (6 feet, 210) has good size and can run, plus he's only 26-years-old. Granted, he played on a team with a talented front seven last year, but Mitchell did a good job on the back end.

Given the market, I still think he's a decent mid-tier option for the Eagles.

8 - The guaranteed money (in millions) the Eagles handed out to Riley Cooper a couple weeks ago. Jason Fitzgerald of OverTheCap.com has a good breakdown of the contract on his site. He calls it team-friendly and essentially a two-year, $9 million deal. That ranks low-end for a No. 2 receiver, per Fitzgerald.

But it's going to be fascinating to see how the wide receiver market plays out. The Eagles were obviously comfortable doing the deal with Cooper, but I wonder if they could have let him at least test the market and come back to them. Peter King of The MMQB wrote earlier today that the running back and wide receiver markets have "fallen to earth with a thud."

Re-signing with the Eagles made a ton of sense for Cooper. He's a fit in the system, he knows the guys in the locker room, and in my opinion, he wouldn't have gotten a better deal financially elsewhere.

But we'll get some sense of what the market might have been for his services when other receivers start inking deals this week.

1,158 - The number of snaps Connor Barwin played last year, the most of any 3-4 outside linebacker in the league, per PFF. Trent Cole played 908 snaps, which ranked ninth at the position. Part of that had to do with the fact that the defense had trouble getting off the field, but it also speaks to the lack of options available to Billy Davis.

The coaching staff saw Brandon Graham as a rotational player, and the only other outside linebacker on the roster was Casey Matthews.

So it's plain to see why the Eagles have been linked to some outside linebacker free agents: Michael Johnson, Jason Worilds and Mike Neal. T-Mac reported that they're no longer a player for Johnson, and Worilds re-signed with the Steelers. Neal remains an option.

Some have wondered what would happen to Cole if the Eagles were to add a starting-caliber 3-4 outside linebacker. My guess is he would probably stay, and they'd go with a three-man rotation. Given the snap numbers I mentioned above, getting another quality body into the mix makes sense. Cole turns 32 next season, but showed in 2013 that he still has something left in the tank. At the very least, he can rush the passer in sub packages and provide depth.

One other name that's been mentioned: LaMarr Houston (6-3, 300). Houston (27) played 4-3 defensive end with the Raiders, but the key to his game is versatility. He can line up as an interior lineman and even drop back into coverage (did so 39 times, per PFF). The guess here is that some team will want him more than the Eagles, but it's no surprise that the Birds value a player with Houston's versatility.

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  • G_WallyHunter

    Great points under the number 18.
    See this is what we love about this site, these guys read comments and take issues that the readers are having, then go and analyze it right in front of them, giving credit to the readers that pointed it out. That’s unreal, a new age of journalism, if you will. Keep up the phenomenal work, birds 24/7 all day every day!

    Last sentence of “18” section, Decet should be Decent
    (sorry anti-grammar-nazis, had to)

    • peteike

      that instead of hat in first paragraph but yes, just pointing out, easy enough to understand. Good post

      • G_WallyHunter

        Yea we don’t mean to be grammar Nazis just can’t help it!! Great post, I only point out things like that in the interest of the overall quality of the article, for the greater good

        • Maggie

          Off topic. Are you the one in Fort Mac now?

          • G_WallyHunter

            Nope that’s Adam, I’m at the ass of Ontario, you’re out west right?

          • Maggie

            Near Vancouver, watching the crocuses bloom, with the daffodils right behind them. :~). Couldn’t remember whether it was you or Adam. Pity him. My son is working near Ft. Mac right now, and he texted me a couple of days ago. The temperature was -40 degrees. Same temp in Celsius or Fahrenheit. I posted a pic on another thread, but here it goes again. My son’s truck on the left. I’m sending both off them a thanks next time I gas up the Jeep.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Haha looks like fun. I have a friend who works out there as well, he said the cold might be -40 but since its a dry cold its hardly worse than -20 in Ontario, so Ive been told.
            I envy you’re watching things bloom, though it is starting to thaw out here today, +7 today such a nice change. Aunt lives in Burnaby, I’m well aware of the weather y’all get out there, blooming sounds about right, snow came this year I bet that was wild..

          • Maggie

            We had snow twice, gone within 2 days where I am. We get our weather from Alaska or Hawaii and when they bump up against each other, we get snow. Really from Oregon up to northern tip of Vancouver Island. Usually doesn’t last long, though.

  • NickS1

    Sheil, not sure total snaps is relative to the argument or whether or not he’s a good tackler. The noted figure of 14 other safeties with 14 or more missed tackles, though, certainly makes it sound like an overblown concern. Either way, we need solutions, and it’s hard to view the kid as a solution to our long-standing problem of God-awful safety play.

    • Dominik

      “The noted figure of 14 other safeties with 14 or more missed tackles, though, certainly makes it sound like an overblown concern.”

      It does. I just wonder: how many of the 14 other safeties are Eagles safeties? :D Chung, Allen, I even have some faith for Coleman – playing 14 snaps, missing 14 tackles sounds like Coleman…

      Just kidding, of course.

  • JofreyRice

    “a difference of two missed tackles can make a world of difference when using terms like tackling efficiency”. Mitchell was the least tackling efficient safety in the league, bar none. 45 made for 18 missed. His closest competition, Malcolm Jenkins, was just slightly better. Jenkins, year to year, has been extremely inefficient at tackling since entering the league. Harder to get a feel of how Mitchell is year to year, because of the fact that he was a bust in Oakland, and really only had the one year of starts behind one of the best front 7s in football.

    I maintain that if you put that in context with Kendricks missing ~20, and Cary and DeMeco missing around 15, you’re going to field a bad side on D. You just can’t have that many guys missing opportunities to stop plays and be a decent defense.

    • sdk152

      I should have clarified: I’m not making the point that Mitchell was a good tackler. Clearly, he needs to be better. The point is that other factors (athleticism, size, versatility, range, age, upside) need to be considered too.

      And all free agent safety questions need to be framed within the context of “What are their other options?” -SK

      • JofreyRice

        Gotcha, just wanted to present the # of tackles he actually made for the full picture of his efficiency. I know you’ve studied him and come away impressed with some parts of his game, I just worry about what that kind of inefficiency at the last line of defense would look like.

        • NickS1

          We know what that kind of inefficiency as the last line of defense looks like. All too well, sadly.

        • Richard Colton

          I’m just stoked to see Kapadia, and not the intern, reading the comments.

          • Maggie

            The intern is probably sleeping after yesterday. A thousand posts with 10,000 mentions of byrd/ward wore him or her right out.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Aren’t we all eh? Its like the second coming but for birds

  • Maggie

    I love a logical presentation of the facts. Thank you. 2 % of opportunities missed sounds pretty fine. And mentioning Thomas is a masterstroke. Unfortunately there will be any number of commenters here shortly who have ceased thinking and will just go on typing the same tired old byrd/ward/ byrd/ward/bryd/ward ad nauseam. They make it hard to read the occasional thoughtful or fresh idea that shows up.

    • JofreyRice

      He made 45 tackles against the 18 he missed. Luke Kuechly was in on just about every stop for that team. He doesn’t have Kuechly to clean up for him in Philly.

      What fresh ideas do you present, Mags? Besides droning on about how you’re sick of hearing about one topic or another?

      • Maggie

        The sainted Earl Thomas missed 14, with a very efficient defense around him. How many did he make in how many opportunities? Gotta make comparisons on both sides. Not just on number of misses, without context. think that is Sheil’s point. Context.

        • JofreyRice

          Earl Thomas made 80 tackles against those 14 misses. And folks acknowledge that open field tackling is not the strength of Thomas’ game.

          I agree it’s about context, and Mitchell’s #’s look even worse when considering he only made 45 tackles total. I don’t see how plays where he wasn’t even around the football should somehow make his MT #’s look better.

          • Maggie

            While I have emotional favorites too, I really like to be factual. Thanks for adding those numbers.

          • GEAGLE

            Hahaha favorites? Who? The 5 players names you know without having to use Wikipedia? Golden Tate. Anthony Barr…which new name did you learn this week?

          • Frank

            Well that indicates Mitchell misses over 30% of his tackles……Earl Thomas only missed 12% of his tackles.

        • George

          Thomas had 105 total tackles, 78 of which were solo, so tghe ratio is much better

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, i didn’t even add the assists in there.

        • frank

          Mitchell missed a whooping 32% of his tackles…….Thomas only 12%

      • EaglesFanInPhx

        Exactly.. Forget number of snaps, number of tackles / (tackles + missed tackles) would be a much greater barometer of tackling ability. In this case, it is 18 missed divided by (52 tackles + 20 assists) = 25%. Earl Thomas had 14 missed tackles divided by (95 tackles + 34 assists) = 10.9%. WORLDS apart. Numbers courtesy of Pro Football Reference.

        • JofreyRice

          Yeah, and if you put Mitchell’s #’s up against someone who is actually known as a good tackling safety…like say…Jairus Byrd, then it looks even worse. Thomas has never been known as the best form tackler in the world; that was the knock on him coming out of texas–insanely good in coverage a little bit of liability against the run.

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            Byrd = 4 / (37 Tackles + 11 assists) = 8.3%

          • Ark87

            The proxy server at my job won’t let me go to PFF, so you might have to fact check me on this one.

            I’ve got Nate Allen as missing 7 tackles (per BGN, yeah suspect source at best) vs 65 tackles and 24 assists, or ~7% miss rate. Not too shabby from Nate. His issue now is he doesn’t make many plays. 2013 Nate Allen may be the polar opposite of 2013 Mitchell. Would be nice if we could get a well-rounded safety.

            (the reason this is suspect is it credits Chung with only 11 missed tackles vs 44 tackles and 8 assists, or ~17.5% miss rate, which still doesn’t even get close to Mitchell. But again, missed tackles by safeties in our D is devastating.

      • Ark87

        yeah…. when presented with an opportunity to attemp a tackle, almost a 30% whiff rate, in our D where safeties are used traditionally, as the last line, the deepest of the deep, those are touchdowns.

        Maybe he could contribute in other ways to even it out, but it shouldn’t be a reach to grasp why people dread yet another unreliable tackler in our secondary. Trying to go the other way with that one.

        • JofreyRice

          Like I said, I’d have no problem with adding him as competition for Wolff–he’s clearly got some skills–but as the #1 target????

      • frank

        Looks like Mitchell missed a whooping 32% of his tackles….that’s nearly missing one third of his tackles…that’s awful.

        • Will

          1 out of 4 would be 25% missed…pathetic…and they want to pay 4-5 mil a year for a guy who can’t do basic stuff like tackle…Geez…just plain stupid!

      • GEAGLE

        She will tell you for the 300th time how we should sign Golden Tate, but you can’t talk about wanting a top safety which happens to be an actual need lol… or that Anthony Barr used to play every single offensive position besides running back. Her typical worthless crap presented by her snotty condescending NON Funny attitude..what do you expect from someone who needs Wikipedia for every comment she makes?

        3000 posts, I literally never read a single one that was worth a damn or brought something to the table

        • Will

          Thanks she’s annoying and always seems to have something to say and usually I just blow her off……..The Safety position is key in any worth while secondary….and usually is the Captain of the secondary as well just like a MLB is important to the front 7…

          • GEAGLE

            Never seen someone try so hard to be funny, yet come off as such a lame fool….I get into it with plenty of people but I can still ATleast find quality posts out of 90% of them. I literally seen her make 20 comments a day, and it can’t recall a single one that wasn’t completely worthless to the football discussion..best you can get out of her is a human spell check, like I’d honestly much rather talk football with Dutch(don’t think I ever said that before lol)

          • Will

            Speaking of which is he banned? or just not over the Foles goof?

          • GEAGLE

            No he isn’t banned, just disgraced lol.. Actually someone caught him posting his usual nonsense on another site and copied and pasted it for us like last week,.

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            aww I totally missed that. I’ve been a lurker here since it started but decided to finally make a disqus account. Dutch was one of a kind.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol it was a Sunday so not a lot of people caught It but I laughed for two days

          • Maggie

            Several posters have mentioned Tate in Free Agency. Several posters have referenced Wikipedia. I have mentioned Tate 3 times, and Barr twice. that self-centered little boy G. has mentioned them both more times than I have. When “doing due diligence” that means accessing several sources, including I might add, the UCLA football team’s OWN WEBSITE. And once again, I am just as entitled to an opinion as you are. Grow up.

          • GEAGLE

            Hahahahaha just because everyone is entitled to an opinion doesn’t guarentee that it’s not worthless.. You mentioned Golden Tate 3 times? Lol in one thread maybe, becaue you typed him every day in a row on I like 3 different sites til you realized how dumb you sound…and sweetie, you just illustrated my entire point…..you talk about a prospect, a top prospect at that, pretending that you have any clue what you are talking about, and you needed to check the UCLA website?? Hahahahahah watch a game for yourself. What good is your opinion If you can’t have one without looking it up? Don’t get mad at me, because you talked about Anthony Barr playing every offensive position except running back lol..
            ..

    • Will

      1 out of 5 tackles are whiffs a big deal cause most times Safeties are your last line of Defense………….

      • EaglesFanInPhx

        its actually 1 out of 4.

        • Will

          1 out of 4.2 but yeah even worse…

          • Maggie

            I am not advocating for any one player. Just fond of factual knowledge, without hype. Off course, if I had a favorite, I’d probably hype him, too! Just not 300 or so times every day. ;~}

          • Will

            Been 6 years but who’s counting glad your satisfied with the plain out awful Safety play the pass 6 years and the pathetic players put on the field…

          • Maggie

            Huh?

          • Clamdigger

            I’m sure posting in the comments section here will totally change the way the FO does business.

  • Will

    Byrd missed just four tackles on the year. In 2012, he also missed just four tackles despite playing 400 more snaps and led all safeties with a+20.0 coverage grade.
    per PFF…

    Then again this is the best Safety out there so no surprise….

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/02/21/ranking-the-2014-free-agents-safeties/

    • Maggie

      Didn’t take long.

    • HolidayinCambodia

      Isn’t Kerry Rhodes out there?

      • Will

        Not listed any where so I assume he retired….

      • Weapon Y

        Why won’t any team sign him? Surely he’s better than a ton of no. 4 and no. 5 safeties in the NFL.

        • Will

          Kerry is /was a great Safety but gay rumours may have hurt his stock. There is an openly gay LB in this years draft who can play will be interesting to see if he gets drafted….

          • Weapon Y

            I’d be shocked if it was true that all 32 teams, including the Eagles, refused to sign a guy just because he’s gay. The willingness to make a team worse off just because homophobia is just so dumb.

  • OldDocRoss

    Sheil: your PFF link at the start of the article takes you to a tweet about Cleveland’s interest in Whitner.

    • sdk152

      Fixed, thanks. And thanks to the others above as well. -SK

      • GEAGLE

        Word is, Cleveland just waiting til 4pn tomorrow to announce a Whitner deal

  • Frank

    DUMB ARTICLE…..writer can not just say that Earl Thomas had nearly the same missed tackles as Mitchell…..what is the PERCENTAGE of tackles misses?
    Missed tackles is a BIG DEAL for a safety, because many times there is no one else to make the tackle.

    • G_WallyHunter

      DUMB ARTICLE he says lol
      Looks like an ignorant POS to ME

      Step up to the plate Frank, write a better one

      • GEAGLE

        His above comment is even worse..this time of year brings out all the idiots who think they are smart(my favorite type of idiot lol)

        • frank

          A moron like you does not even realize that he is the actual idiot.

          • GEAGLE

            Gotcha

          • Clamdigger

            He didn’t say missed tackles don’t matter. He said writing off Mitchell because he has a lot of missed tackles is silly.

            Again, these are stats in a vacuum that are subjective because they rely on a 3rd party evaluating plays and are subject to their interpretation of what’s happening on the field.

            He could have 10 plays where he was playing the run and someone got to the ball carrier before him, so he ended up bouncing off the pile, etc… Without personally reviewing all of his tape and seeing the missed tackles and the circumstances surrounding them, it’s hard to say what tackles he should and shouldn’t have made.

      • frank

        Prove that I am wrong dope.
        What percentage of tackles did Mitchell miss……you can count with toes, don’t get a headache loser.

        • GEAGLE

          Hahahahaha

        • Maggie

          Sounds like Frank shares Geagle’s basement.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol basement? Hahahah sweetie, I couldn’t even tell you my reality because it would sound like the biggest Made up lie in the world, and that’s when you know you are doing somthing right, when your reality is unbelievable…don’t get mad at me, cuz you bring nothing to the table…what’s wrong, you abandoned your eagles will sign Golden Tate campaign? Lol
            ..
            Everyone knows you are worthless to our debates, some are more cordial and pitty u more then others is all

          • IAteLunchToday

            I can’t resist… Is your income to support your extravagant lifestyle earned by posting about the Eagles?

        • G_WallyHunter

          Harsh words from a troller

          If you took the time to read below, some of the respected commenters have actually taken the time to add these stats to the discussion, unlike your ignorant lazy @$$.. see they don’t sit there and ungratefully call the piece dumb, but rather contribute what they can
          Don’t get a headache interpreting the below information

    • Richard Colton

      I was going to disagree with you, but the all-caps convinced me you meant business.

      • Andy124

        Testing:
        YOU OWE ME TWENTY DOLLARS!!!!

        • Richard Colton

          Damn. Got me again Andy.

          I also can’t stand to be asked the same question three times. Just like Howie.
          Will Byrd be an Eagle? No comment.
          Will Byrd be an Eagle? Well, it would be foolish to specula…
          Will Byrd be an Eagle? Dammit, Yes!!!!!

    • frank

      Mitchell missed a whopping 32% of his tackles…….Thomas only missed 12% of his tackles.

      • All Things Bad@ss

        Listen, if we’re both being ‘frank’ here, then …

  • Guest

    8 – The guaranteed money (in dollars) the Eagles handed out to Riley Cooper a couple weeks ago

    They gave Cooper only $8? For what, cab fare? To buy lunch? To get a haircut?

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      Pretty sure everyone knows that it is in millions…

    • G_WallyHunter

      For his counselling

  • GEAGLE

    We ain’t signing Mitchell…he is a redskin (fingers crossed)…

    Donte Whitner is said to be signing with the Browns.
    ..
    Rumors are spreading that Byrd ain’t finding the market he expected and his number is already down to 8mil per year, if his number drops, wards number will be even lower and just watch the birds swoop in…

    So we can’t have a top safety but we can give lamarr Houston 20mil in Guarentees Kapadia? Really? ….I’m sure we do like lamarr Houston, he is only one of the Top young players in the NFL who gets better every single year…NEWSFLASH: He ain’t sitting on ANYONEs bench, and we ain’t sending COX or CED to the bench. Because believe it or not, he is more 3-4DE then OLB, but I guess because he dropped in a few zone blitzes, people think he can be an OLB smh….
    ..l
    Can’t wait til this is over, because this is the time of year “analysts” prove how clueless they are

    • NickS1

      If the rumors on Byrd’s number are true, you’d have to think that either Buffalo is laughing hysterically or that he really wanted the hell out of there. Saying no to $30mil in the first three years has to sting a little…

      • GEAGLE

        He undoubtably wanted out of there. I really don’t believe they could have done anything to make him want to stay..I’m sure he figured he could get PAID and go to a decent team…very interesting that this market is inflating at every position but safety……bring me The WARDen of the Linc, and the Byrd lol

  • morgan c

    Though I don’t think we can count on double digit sack totals for Cole, and it’s important to add a real pass-rusher (either through FA, the draft, or a trade), I wouldn’t count out ole Trent yet… He has been a consummate pro and a great player for the Eagles for a while. After a year adjusting to the scheme, and still being young enough to have something left (31/32 isn’t ancient after all), I wouldn’t be shocked if he rebounds with a real solid year next year. Look at what Robert Mathis did last year for God’s sake! Again, not saying we should bank on it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Cole had one more big stat year left in him. Also, maybe we should kick the tires on Lamar Woodley? After being cut, we may be able to get him on a reasonable 2 year deal…

  • TheNest

    What are your guys thoughts on sproles????

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      He will want too much $ to be worth signing imo.

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        he will only get the money the market dictates.. and he is a 30 year old RB.. he will be cheap my friend.

    • Andy124

      I really like the last 4 letters of his last name.

      • EaglesFanInPhx

        Foles to Sproles does have a nice ring to it.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          YES IT DOES!! lol

    • Maggie

      Age? Years of being beaten up? Also, seems like most fans believe every Eagle should be at least 6 feet tall, well, except for a couple of Free Agents who shall remain nameless.

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        on one hand sproles has been a back up player his entire career so the carries are limited, on the other hand he also returns punts and kicks and pretty much has been one of the total yardage leaders for most of his career. but still very little injuries. Id take a shot on him.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      I like him and want him. Gotta trade bryce brown tho… we need a scat back type that can motion to the slot and be a factor in the passing game. PLUS sproles can pass protect.

    • peteike

      I think hes constantly under appreciated. Broncos should get him if they are smart. Just another weapon for PM if they lose Knowshon. I dont really care per Eagles, not a need imo.

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah that’s a damn good signing for them…Monte ball is prob ready to carry the rock, Sproles had something crazy like 78 receptions or something around that Number…
        ..
        Jimmy Graham starting to get mad that they are trying to short him 5mil while blowing up that offense

        • peteike

          ya they want to roll with Ball unless they can get knowshown back on the cheap (or reasonable). They also like this CJ Anderson kid to take a step up next season. Uh oh Jimmy is getting irritated eh.

          • GEAGLE

            Looks like it…can’t really blame him

  • Maggie

    There is another statistic which I don’t see here so far. What is the percentage of tackles made/missed in the Red Zone? Or in the last quarter? Or when the score is very close? Are these types of stats even kept on individual players? Like saying a hockey player was on the ice for over 50% of goals against, without saying he, or she, played on every penalty kill.

    • Will

      Look the Sh*t up Mags and let us know…lol…

      • GEAGLE

        Lol think she stays up all night looking up what she will type the next day, and by the next morning she mixes up all her Wikipedia info..

    • Andy124

      Other factors to consider are how many plays did they get involved in due to rangegood reads that other safeties may not have. It’s analogous to how some great defensive short stops have a lower fielding percentage than some average ones because their superior range gets them in to position to make difficult plays that they can’t quite pull off where as they’re just clean singles for other shortstops. Maybe some missed tackles are at the end of plays where he really wasn’t in good positon and a slower guy wouldn’t have ever gotten close enough to get charged with a miss.

      I don’t mean to say that Mitchell is actually a good tackler, just that these are these that are worth wondering about.
      ————————————————————————-
      Also, I don’t think I’ve seen a single comment acknowledge Sheil’s point about the subjectivity of the missed tackles. Call me skeptical, but I don’t have a ton of faith in those numbers for that very reason.

      • Maggie

        With football keeping nearly as many stats as baseball, Sheil could probably fill 2 pages with numbers, :~). Of course, when it comes right down to it, the Eagles will go after who they want and won’t care how much we pout, lol.

        • Andy124

          One thing I respected about the Reid regime, they really didn’t care what the fans wanted. I don’t think that’s changed at all. It may be SOP for all, but I didn’t have anything more enlightening to add.

      • Will

        All good points but that’s his only draw back does everything else well really would have to watch him for a season been in the league since 09 and this last year he started having a break out season in a contract year with a great front 7….also things to consider as well…

      • OldDocRoss

        I don’t think I’ve seen a single comment acknowledge Sheil’s point about the subjectivity of the missed tackles. Call me skeptical, but I don’t have a ton of faith in those numbers for that very reason.

        Yeah, I view them the same way I do “drops”. Plenty of subjectivity so I wouldn’t worry to much about them from one season to the next, but if you keep seeing a guy appear near the top of the list year in year out, it’s probably not good.

        • GEAGLE

          If 8 safeties get signed, and none want to play for us, then I’d love to sign Mitchell lol…..but you can’t expect me to be happy to see us overpay for average, when there are like 5 better options available…why the hell do the other franchises get to look at Quality safeties? Why the hell don’t they have to settle for Mitchell? In life. You GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!
          ..,
          I don’t think Mitchell and Hauska would have made us beat the Saints…but WARD and Haushka would have been the difference between advancing to the next round and knocking us out of the playoffs,
          ..,
          We need a safety who will undoubtably be the best and most talented player in our secondary…doubt, that is Mike Mitchell.,,
          ,,.
          All I know is we signed two big physical CBs who specialize in press coverage, yet our safeties were so bad, that they couldn’t be trusted enough for our Cornerbacks to actually play to their strengths and do what we signed them to do. Get up on WRs at the Line, rough em up, disrupt their timing….
          .,I’m not willing to risk another year of our corners not being able to play to their best, because we needed to save a few mil by signing Mitchell.

          People who want to skimp on the safety position and go with Mitchell because they think they are saving money, think they are taking a short cut, but they will just get lost on the woods..instead of penny pinching and signing the bare minimum, how about you stop playing games, and invest in a safety who is good enough to where we can win without having to also replace our starting CBs…sure you can skimp safety and save a few dollars now, but with Mitchell, Cary and Brad probably won’t be good enough….with Byrd or Ward, Cary and Brad become CBs we can win NOW with!!
          .ll
          So you can either adress the situation correctly, and just add a quality safety, or you can skimp the position, and then you will have to replace your starting CBs…
          ..
          Thank friggin God for Dan Snyder! Never thought I would type those words

        • Andy124

          Agreed. As the sample size grows, the randomizing effects of subjectivity should be reduced. Exceptions could be Bob is tracking these 10 teams. He calls almost everything a missed tackle and is consistent with it.

          Joe is tracking those 10 teams. You really have to screw up for him to call is a missed tackle. That kind of subjectivity could persist over time. I have no idea how they’re tracking, who’s doing the tracking, what their credibility is etc.

          • OldDocRoss

            That plus there’s the question of who is being tackled at the time. I mean, if you get run over by Jimmy Graham a few times I’d probably file that under “stuff that happens”.

            Not that I’m sold on Mitchell or anything but, put it this way, if you asked me for my thoughts on Chung I’d be giving you times, dates, places and gifs of the 101 Most Chung-tastically Awful Plays By Patrick Chung (A Patrick Chung Production). I would not be checking out his tackle efficiency on PFF.

      • JofreyRice

        Going by PFFs numbers, they have one guy grade every player on every play, and then do a minimum of one cross check regrade. So at least two graders have agreed on every one of their numbers.

        • Andy124

          Well sure, if you want to provide actual information and stuff. Psh.

        • Andy124

          Disqus is truly weird at times. You get the One new comment above messages and you go look at them and think you’ve seen all of the new posts. But not all of the posts show up. Yours is one of those comments that did not show up until I refereshed, which is noteworthy because another post I made would have been significantly different had I seen this.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, they randomize the game assignments, too. Precisely to avoid the kind of cumulative error buildup you described.

  • James Hathaway

    Sheil,

    When Chung missed tackling Larry Fitzgerald, but instead tackled Boykin, does that count as a missed tackle?

    More importantly, what would happen if Chung and Nnamdi had tried to tackle the same player?

    • OldDocRoss

      Would never happen. Nnamdi would forego making the tackle and instead point dutifully at Chung to make it clear whose responsibility this tackling lark was. Eager to impress, Chung would tear towards the ball carrier, miss wildly and truck stick Nnamdi.

      This would in turn mean that Chung had actually done something that made me happy, at which point I suspect the apocalypse is afoot.

      • James Hathaway

        He retired, that made me happy.

    • Richard Colton

      Can you imagine Chung and Ernie Sims on the same defense? No Eagle would be safe.

      • Andy124

        No one would be safe. They may manage to injure every 24/7 regular.

        • Richard Colton

          I have a bruised psyche just thinking about it.

          • Andy124

            But did they break your wine glass?

      • cliff henny

        all that friendly fire, i’d be worried about them hitting fans

  • GEAGLE

    Where the hell is Orestar on such an important day? Hoping all the Mitchell talk didn’t cause him to jump…lol if you need a safety support group, call me bud, I’m always here to listen :)

    • oreofestar

      sorry I was on the train it hit something and got delayed :P

      • GEAGLE

        Lol as long as you weren’t threatening Howie to jump in front of the train if we didn’t sign Byrd! it’s cool :)

        • oreofestar

          yeah….

  • cliff henny

    Howie…better let something slip…the natives are getting restless

    • GEAGLE

      Lol right….He is going to sign Ward and maybe even Jenkins..I can feel it..
      ,,,
      Where’s Jerry At? He tweeted me something that he was gonna run by me(reading between the lines of Howies moves), but I never saw it and I haven’t seen him today

      • cliff henny

        if Ward gets into low/mid 7’sm, they better!

        • NickS1

          Ward and Byrd for a combined 16max. Thoughts…

          • cliff henny

            sorry, cant think, blood rushed out of my head

          • NickS1

            If both of their numbers fell…. I’m just going to stop now.

          • GEAGLE

            Caplan was just talking about Byrd, saying he wants 9m, but cap has a feeling it will be closer to 7….I’m telling you Howie “SPLASH”‘Roseman will strike again!’
            ..
            Team Chill feeling good today

          • http://batman-news.com theedevilsadvocate

            cannoooonnnnn baaalllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • GEAGLE

            SPLASH!!!!!! ,,

          • cliff henny

            if you are heading #team chill….I really hate to see the #team Panic

          • GEAGLE

            Hahahah let’s just say I have a reversible jersey

          • cliff henny

            depends on if it’s a blue or red pill day?

          • GEAGLE

            Day? More like switching teams by the hour

          • Tom W

            didn’t do other teams because they don’t have the cap space or would be hard pressed to fit Byrd under the cap

          • oreofestar

            Team Panic would be me, I can not believe anything nor can I talk myself into believing anything until tomorrow I can not believe we go for micthell and jenkins yet I am going crazy because I do not think we will pay Byrd

          • cliff henny

            if Byrd signs somewhere else for 7+m, PM24/7 is going to crash

          • GEAGLE

            Lol that CANT HAPPEN. Cliff you gotta check out what George Karl said about sixers, I was laughing so hard, calling us a disgrace blah blah blah lol…looks like Nerlens might play April 4th

          • cliff henny

            not if Howie wants to walk thru streets of philly

          • oreofestar

            I am just trying to think who else is legitimate competition for Byrd

          • cliff henny

            yeah, saw that. get some run b4 summer league. reason to watch too. watched highlites of Wiggins41…he is going to explode like Vinsanity as a pro.
            .
            Karl’s an idiot. heard some, ignored it, same tanking bs. what does everyone want them to do? gotta bottom out

  • GEAGLE

    For you DAT and Sproles lovers, McCluster is leaving KC

    • NickS1

      Good to know.

      • GEAGLE

        Word is 4 teams are interested (but that could just be agent talk)..but that KC isn’t interested in bringing him back

  • Will

    More rumours Eagles interested in Bethea and Cory Graham who has Safety exp.

    • GEAGLE

      Eagles WILL sign Corey Graham! that’s no rumor :)

    • Tom W

      I’d take Bethea and actually be somewhat happy … he can cover .. downside is age is 29.

  • Token

    Philly is ready to pounce on Byrd AND Ward when FA signings open. I feel it. Draft a pass rusher and lets go.

    • NickS1

      I tried upvoting it more. Wouldn’t let me. IF their numbers are dropping, Howie’s got work to do.

      • Token

        Ill keep believing they arent serious about Mitchell being their prized target.

        I think they are quitly watching these other two guys price range. If Byrds value is dropping into the 8’s, i mean my god its a perfect opportunity.

        • GEAGLE

          Holy crap…I friggin agree with you

          • Token

            This may be a first.

          • GEAGLE

            Scary right?

          • cliff henny

            I know, waiting for the earth to reverse spin, moon to fly out of orbit, the oceans to wash over the coast

          • peteike

            well a positive Token post is rare so….I kid….sort of

          • GEAGLE

            Right..weird to see him so happy. You lose your virginity today bud? Jokes jokes jokes

          • TripSquadMonopoly

            You are a sad, sad man.

          • GEAGLE

            And your a racist piece of Crap BOY who can’t even post under his screen name but what’s new?
            ..
            I guess #11 since you can’t post under bricksquadracist anymore lol

        • Tom W

          I am in agreement. Dolphins rumor was bs.

          Ward is going to the Broncos I bet.

          Byrd comes down to Raiders or Skins (if they are truly interested and willing to pay big money and byrd wants to get top dollar) or BIRDS.

          1) Raiders need everything.

          2) Jags don’t seem interested.

          3) Browns going w Whitner would be huge.

          4) I don’t get Tampa whatsover aside from Byrd’s dad there. doubt Tampa. signed goldson last yr. can’t put that much money in safety. can’t.

          5) Bears need a safety but first gotta spend BIG on a pass rusher. They don’t have the money.

          6) Vikes need a corner not safety.

          7) Pack doesn’t pay strangers elite money.

          8) Dolphins just signed one stud safety last year, makes no sense to sign another this year when their oline is a complete mess. more likely they sign albert and scwartz.

          9) SKINS worry me — could be stupid and go after Byrd or ward to make a splash. They also really need help with their oline.

          10) Jets look likely to sign verner and a wr. not safety. if they did — more likely tj ward.

          11) Ravens just draft a stud safety and won’t go after byrd or ward for big money. they need help on the oline.

          12) COLTS worry me bc grigson is an idiot who overpays .. but they could always resign bethea who is good. they also need to pony big money for vontae davis.

          13) Broncos — sounds like they are in the lead for TJ Ward. My prediction is he goes there.

          14) bengals are cheap

          15) falcons have one good safety and major needs on the oline and dline. would love another safety but I don’t see how they can make byrd work.

          • cliff henny

            good stuff, but still have 14 more to go… besides Dallas being broke, teams they just left and seattle.

          • GEAGLE

            My prediction is Ward is an eagle after beating out the Broncos

            No idea what the raiders are doing
            ..
            Think jags go with someone like Nate Allen
            ..
            Browns going with Ohio native Whitner

            Any media member who writes Byrd is going to Tampa should instantly lose his job. They paying Revis, the big rookie CB,Mark Barron and Dashon Goldson….Tampa will spend big on a pass rusher. Possibly try to steal a OL

            Bears really undervalue the safety position to begin with and have an entire secondary to redo, no shot they get one of the top two

          • oreofestar

            Hell if Byrd is dropping into the mid 8s then I wonder what Ward is going to get, at this price range it would be ridiculous to not sign one

          • GEAGLE

            Think Ward will be 7…and we end up with Ward Jenkins for 11

          • oreofestar

            That would be insane

          • GEAGLE

            What up bud, I was worried about you..thought the Mitchell talk may have caused you to jump..glad to see your ok :)

          • oreofestar

            Jump to what…supporting Mitchell? not a chance

          • GEAGLE

            Jump off the bridge lol

          • oreofestar

            Not yet we have not signed him

          • oreofestar

            He has to be, I doubt that some random reporter would no Howie’s true intentions my hope his he is going crazy right now because Byrd’s price is dropping and he purposely waited to step in and they he will walk up to Byrd an say 5 years 43m 18 guaranteed and then boom!!!!

          • GEAGLE

            They don’t call him Howie “SPLASH” Roseman for nothing lol..actually I call him that, but you catch my drift

          • oreofestar

            I wish I was on Team Chill, I just can not leave team Panic until tomorrow

          • cliff henny

            then we can switch over to draft.

          • oreofestar

            I feel less panic about the draft but yeah FA means draft can be full focus

          • GEAGLE

            Mike Mitchell’s bum ass destined for the skins made me feel better

          • philliesfan136

            Dude , you are funny.

          • oreofestar

            I have to trust Howie even though I am team Panic now I gotta just believe in him

          • GEAGLE

            Thinking Howie is up to sometning

          • oreofestar

            Dolphins got Delmas, I never saw them as serious competitors for Byrd but this finalizes it

          • GEAGLE

            Dolphins I think end up with Delmas

            Colts I think just keep bathea
            ..
            Bet anything skins get Mitchell
            ..
            Jets have major major CB problems, don’t see how they can go top shelf safety
            ..
            Rams are said to be interested in Byrd, don’t see how they can afford him
            ..
            GB will go with a Nate Allen/major wright type
            ..
            Falcons will be the dopes that sign Champ Baily :)

          • GEAGLE

            CALLED IT!! Delmas is a dolphin, Byrd was a smokescreen!!!

  • Nick Ferguson

    The same thing happened last year with goldson, the eagles had more cap room last year and goldson was cheaper then Byrd will be know. The eagles will not sign a big name f/a till they atleast lock up foles. Who knows how much foles will command next year, what if he throws 40 and 5 next year???? You know how much money you would have to give him. I kno it sucks as a eagles fan to say it but eagles are sticking with mid-level guys till he’s locked up. I understand that Byrd is a
    Whole lot better but with all the good rookies that are eligible for contract next year eagles are sticking with the gameplan.

    • Tom W

      without a ring or more pedigree, foles won’t command more than 15 mil a yr especially if we offer to do away w the last yr of his rookie deal.

      and he cant sustain the int ratio …. just plain math.

      We can sign him w ease next offseason 2015. Same w kendricks. Boykin won’t resign here as a slot corner so great chance he won’t be back unless we give him a chance outside. cox isnt until 2016.

      • Nick Ferguson

        I was being sarcastic with the td/int ratio I was just trying to get the point across that the eagles front office is smart and won’t throw a boat load of money at a player intill they lock up foles. It’s obvious. And idk man Kendrick’s really started to break out by the end of last season he could really emerge as a playmaker. And as you have seen with the eagles don’t like to wait till the last year of a deal to extend it. They could very well want to get cox done by next year. He does so much more then what shows up on stat sheet.

        • Tom W

          Again I dont see any relation to foles signing vs signing a top safety this year when the S signing wont prevent, impact birds from signing foles. cap is fine. will be fine next yr. and 2016. more than enough money w carry over, increases, and natural attrition of older players.

          Kendricks made as many bad plays as good plays. he will be better but still not going to have to break bank for him …

          Cox was a first rounder .. we have control of him for an extra year more than foles and kendricks

          • cliff henny

            if Eagles sign 1 major contract, then handful of typical cap friendly 1yr/2yr deals like we’ve seen, they’ll have more next yr than this. have chung casey celek ryans herreman cole graham and Williams, that’s over well 40m…need more, Barwin clears 6m more. rollover, and increase not included. Howie’s got the cap covered

          • peteike

            any chance they play season with a ton of money under the cap again this coming season. Imagine, fans would not be happy

          • GEAGLE

            I’d rather give up a 7th round pick for peppers,Steve smith or Chris Johnson’s big contracts just for the hell of it, then see Lurie win another Cap Super Bowl

          • cliff henny

            doubtful. think rolling over slightly less than 10% of cap, spend in that 92-94% range on average is the sweet spot. leaves flexibility to spend, but cant get trapped into having to move on guys early, like Romo. and not leavingthat much meat on bone it hurts on field product.

          • Nick Ferguson

            Look I’m not saying here not gunna spend any money. They will, just not
            On somebody like Byrd. Howie has already said that it’s safer to sign multiple players to cap friendly deals then to go and blow Half of your cap on one guy which could hert
            You in the long run. 2011 is still in the back of his head and I personally
            Like the approach there
            Going with.

    • Maggie

      It might very well be a good thing that Goldson wasn’t signed here. This is part of a piece written by Ken Boehlke about the Bucs:

      “Goldson had a tough year in Tampa a season ago, riddled by 15 yard “hitting too hard” penalties and the impact that a new (bad) defensive system has on a safety coming in from another team. So does he belong as a long-term part of the franchise?

      The biggest concern for me is the fact that Mark Barron is turning himself into a younger, and possibly better, version of Dashon Goldson. Both love to play downhill, both struggle when asked to cover large amounts of space in the deep passing game, and both absolutely crush people when they get the chance.

      What Barron excels at, covering tight ends, has become a huge trait in a safety, especially in a division that has Jimmy Graham. Goldson’s dominant trait is his closing speed, which unfortunately the league’s safety initiative has made less important in a defender’s arsenal”.

  • Tom W

    Need to compare tackles made vs missed tackles and compare missed tackle percentage vs other players … big difference.

    lamar houston wants big starter money — and more like cox than thornton.

    Get me byrd or ward or two mid-level safeties and a fourth corner.

    • GEAGLE

      Yeah it’s amazing how media says we can consider a rotation players who plays one of the positions that is already a strength of this roster, who will cost 20friggin million plus in Guarentees, yet we should be setting our sites on 3rd tier Mike Mitchell…We can’t pay 20m for a starting safety but can consider it for a rotation DL?

  • Tom W

    Wonder what the market is for Brandon Browner? could his number drop low enough to bring him in on a one year prove it deal … solidify our depth at corner and push our starters … then next yr look at all 4 corners and evaluate where we wanna go with each of them … gives us more options obviously a cheap one yr deal.

    Guy is 6 4 and under 30 and with suspension less tread … was a beast in 2011

    • JofreyRice

      Think he’s only good for you if you have him press. Can’t do that if you’ve got bums at S.

      • cliff henny

        didn’t you hear, Byrd and Ward are signing for 7.5m/yr each…and that’s before the Kelly discount. KD’s worth couple MM/yr per our Oregon friends

        • Tom W

          Forget the oregon connection … these kids owe chip and phil knight

          • cliff henny

            PK is offering all Oregon grads that play for Eagles 15m shoe deals.

    • GEAGLE

      Suspended first 4 games of season

      • EaglesFanInPhx

        I’d love to see us take a flier on him.

      • Tom W

        good even cheaper … he is better than a 4th corner just thinking he may have to settle for 4th corner money for a yr ….

  • Eagles1018

    Browns showing real interest in Donte Whittner. I guess Ward/Bryd are finalizing other plans…..just need one of them (preferably Byrd). I don’t like any of the OLB options out there maybe another DT in FA isn’t a bad idea. Also Carlos Rogers released by SF. I’d like him here to compete for a starting spot. If not, I hope the Carroll can come here. And I can’t stress it enough…we need another kicker to compete!!! Please!!!!!!!

    • GEAGLE

      Rogers is 33, and we aren’t signing a CB that would send Brad or Cary to the bench

  • GEAGLE

    Panthers are trying to trade Steve smith, Titans are trying to trade Chris Johnson! which means both will be cut,
    ..
    Niners cut Carlos Rogers, said to be turning their site to Nolan carroll
    .
    Jason Babin is now a free agent, don’t all run to church at once to pray we bring him back, same goes with Dolphins cutting Dimitri patterson

    • cliff henny

      hate the Panthers, but Steve Smith is fun to watch. Cam will struggle without him. see Panthers having fall back year for sure.

    • Richard Colton

      I’m sure Titans fans are thinking they can get a 1st rounder for CJ2K. Hahaha. Wonder if they’d take Brandon Graham straight-up?

      • oreofestar

        The thing is that disgusting salary, if he had a decent salary they could squeeze a second day pick for him but nobody is trading for him with that salary

      • peteike

        ya got paid and quit. Went from 2k to 2 yds in a season

      • GEAGLE

        Peppers, c2j, or Steve smith can all be had for 7th round picks..they just trying to get something before they cut them..lif a team is ok eating one of those contracts you can literally get them for a 7th

        • Richard Colton

          In a world where Trent Richardson nets you a 1st round pick, anything is possible. Wonder if the Colts would like a redo on that one?

          Brandon Graham for Dion Jordon straight up gets thrown out there on twitter every 10 minutes. I can’t take these people and their inane trade scenarios.

          • Maggie

            Don’t forget you must give a raw rookie a chance to grow and be mentored. Even on teams other than the Eagles.

          • Richard Colton

            I’d have passed on Richardson, even if he was a rookie, which he wasn’t. 30 games, 3 yards a carry.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah its ridiculous….with the jets cutting every WR they had lol and being stupid, it’s CRUCIAL that we see the dumb ass Jets or raiders absorb that albatross of a Mike Wallace contract. THats the first domino that needs to fall for us to be able to pry Dion away, because as you prob know, trading Mike Wallace who has no chemistry with the young QB would offset most of the crazy cap hit that comes with trading Dion.
            ..
            Its like the 3000 people on twitter complaining that we haven’t signed Donnie Longball yet

  • peteike

    Santonio cut, Jets need like 6 WRs now, I thought theyd snag Maclin. Good luck Marty, may your reunion with Vick work out for half a season.

    • GEAGLE

      Damaris Johnson can always be traded for :)

      • cliff henny

        trade them back Brad Smith

        • GEAGLE

          Ha that would be awesome

          George Karl called sixers pathetic and ripped us a new one.u gotta hear it.. So funny. Nerlens might play April 4th
          .
          Your boy wiggins dropped a crazy 41

          • oreofestar

            I still think we got a chance to lose out

          • GEAGLE

            Dolphins signed Delmas bud, they are out of the BYRD running

          • cliff henny

            by chance, you mean 95%. games are over mid 1st quarter.

          • cliff henny

            in my perfect draft world, Evans falls to #22, Wiggins and Vonleh.

  • All Things Bad@ss

    Question: Where do many of you get your *up to the minute* news from .. what outlets? Who are some of the very best and reliable sources in your opinion?

    • Maggie

      Some get their info from writers they respect, eg 1 at CSNPhilly, or 1 at philly.com or T. Lawlor. Once in awhile, even PhiladelphiaEagles.com. Some info comes from thin air and some from each other. You can trust S. Kapadia and T. McManus on this site. Sometimes doesn’t hurt to look at a draft prospect’s school website. Otherwise just watch for Tim/Sheil’s references. Btw, even NFL Network gets it right sometimes.

      • All Things Bad@ss

        Just curious cuz I’ve seen a lot of reports that I don’t ever come across so I thought maybe I had overlooked some outlets. Yeah, I scope all those sites out you mentioned and of course always come here for sure.

        • Maggie

          If I can mention a TV reference. FOX sports, when they do football, is pretty good. They use just-retired players, such as Urlacher, can be humorous and have Jay Glazer. He seems to have an unbelievable network of spies and informants!

          • All Things Bad@ss

            Jay’s the best! I’m also a huge Muay Thai/MMA fan so Glazer’s high on my list.

  • NickS1

    Thoughts on Knowshon?

    • RIP illa

      Knowshon Sucks!
      Shout out to Shady!!!

      • Will

        Yup Shady hates the guy for being drafted a head of him…lol…

      • NickS1

        Haha well I bet Shady would find it hilarious if Knowshon were his backup!

        • cliff henny

          the hazing shady would put knowshon thru would put incognito to shame.

  • GEAGLE

    YES!!!!! dolphins signed Delmas!!! Bye Bye BYRDIE!!!
    ..,
    NO!!!!,Giamts and skins trying to steal Corey Graham from us..

    YES!!!,Skins interested in Kenny TOXIC Britt. Great way to start a new regime :)

    • oreofestar

      I already told you about Delmas :P, I do not know who else is serious competition for Byrd as long as Howie is willing to drop 8.5mil per year

      • cliff henny

        Howie’s just waiting out the guarantee number now.

        • GEAGLE

          Parker made up Dolphins rumor because his client ain’t hearing the figures he expected….E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!

      • GEAGLE

        I called Delmas to dolphins below when me and Tom were trying to figure out where safeties would end up….so Byrd talk was really a smoke screen by Parker because his client ain’t finding the market he expected.. Whooooooooooo!!!!

    • Richard Colton

      Raiders have a lot of money they have to spend. Hope Byrd doesn’t head West.

  • GEAGLE

    EAGLES are going to shock the world..we all been sweating over nothing..,in 20 hours we will all be partying!!! Just watch!!!

    • NickS1

      Saying it like Juwan Howard! “We gon’ shock the world!!!”

      • GEAGLE

        It’s going DOWN!!!!

        • oreofestar

          Must…not….jump

    • cliff henny

      Byrd and Jenkins?

      • GEAGLE

        It’s going to be BIG bud!!! Thinking Byrd/Ward, Byrd/Mitch, Ward/Jenkins…..Byrd/Jenkins IMO too similar, but ILL TAKE IT!!!!

        • NickS1

          What would the nickname be if we signed both? Maybe a fan section (my living room) called the Byrd Ward?

          • oreofestar

            If we signed both I will explode, buy both their jerseys and sleep with them while crying for hours

          • GEAGLE

            The WARDen and ????

          • NickS1

            The WARDen of the Byrd Nest?

          • NickS1

            All I know is if we sign both I’ll be doing “The Safety Dance”

        • oreofestar

          yeah Byrd and Jenkins will not work you get Byrd, Ward, Mitch(eeew) and Jenkins and find a combination that is not Ward, Mitch Byrd, Mitch or Byrd, Jenkins or Jenkins, Mitch

    • Token

      Yup Byrd and Ward. Im sure they liked what Seattle has at safety. They figure its a great chance to really enhance the D. They just told the agents to keep their mouths shut. Thats why we have heard so oddly little from either guys camp.

  • John J. King

    Is it possible they paid for Cooper because they like him? We know how well paying up for Mr. Bigstar works before he is a known quantity.

  • oreofestar

    According to reports the Redskins have interest in Britt, Mitchell, Sproles, Talib, Graham, Byrd, Jones and probably every other FA known to man

  • Token

    DeSean Jackson OUT in Philly

    Atleast according to this guy. This story just keeps going and going.

    http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/article.cfm?article_id=1753

    • Jeff Asay

      This story has more lives. And it makes no sense. The guy flat out balls, he’s one of the fastest receivers in the game, very good hands, and just put up a monster season. SMH. Don’t understand the hate for DJax. Got a true threat who helps keep the safety away from McCoy, just as the threat of McCoy helps keep the defense honest in the front seven.

    • All Things Bad@ss

      I live in LA now and was having lunch in Marina Del Rey the other day wearing an Eagles sweatshirt. On my way out of the restaurant I got flagged down by two ladies — Desean’s mom Gayle and his longtime friend Jennifer. Had a blast chatting it up with them and we all shared a good laugh about the rumors.

  • oreofestar

    Where is everyone??? I can not panic alone!!!

    • Richard Colton

      hang in there. Nate Allen is still available.

      • oreofestar

        Don’t mess around like that

    • Joe L

      Great timing on me bringing up the Mitchell hate yesterday, huh?

    • cliff henny

      http://www.anxietycoach.com/overcoming-panic-attacks.html

      The five steps to overcoming panic attacks are:

      Acknowledge & Accept

      Wait & Watch (and maybe, Work)

      Actions (to make myself more comfortable)

      Repeat

      End

  • GEAGLE

    The latest,,,
    ..
    KC interest in Jason Avant..,pleases me!
    ..
    Jets going after Vonte Davis HARD, which means they can’t pay for a mega safety

    Bears are aggressively pursuing Houston, as is GB, which means we won’t blow 20mil on him instead of safety
    .,
    Bucs trying to trade Revis and sign m. Johnson

    • oreofestar

      and Eagles….are making me panic!!!

      • GEAGLE

        You are panicking because Howie is being that silent assassin that he needs to be, so he can gave a BIGTIME free agency period everyone is thrilled with. And keeping putting on a GMs clinic…this stressful silence will all start to pay off in 18.5 hours!!!

        • oreofestar

          I know he is being silent and it is for the best and it makes me panic!

        • EaglesFanInPhx

          Just read more crap on FFToolbox that DeSean is out. I personally think it’s BS but its there if anyone wants to look into it.

          • GEAGLE

            Thanks..I’ll check it out, but I prob won’t believe it :)

          • cliff henny

            it’s not. he sites jimmy k’s article as a source. espn syndrome, writers manufacturing stories based off of other writers

    • oreofestar

      Geagle closing in on 18 hours give me your final Eagles predictions

      • cliff henny

        PAIN!

        • oreofestar

          He said nothing about Mike Mitchell yet

          • cliff henny

            w/ Byrd, doesn’t sound bad. I just want Byrd/Ward…call me a homer, but I liked Wolff.

          • oreofestar

            I liked him but I am not counting on him to start especially when he is far from a guarantee to be healthy, now Mitchell sounds bad to be regardless if he comes with Byrd then I will be less mad simply because we got Byrd but Mitchell is bleh

          • GEAGLE

            Liked him too.. If Cary believes in him, so do I

      • GEAGLE

        WARD or Byrd (I really believe we are getting one)
        ..
        And Malcom Jenkins (not one single rumor going around about him, sounds eagle-ish)

        DL Alex Carrington (if we can’t get him it will be A! Woods, worst Case take a flier on Terrence Cody, he can he their years gathers

        Corey Graham replaces Colt Anderson, that’s GEAGLE certified take it to the bank matrial
        ..
        Uber athletic OG Briuce Cambell, props to who put him on my radar, sorry I can’t remember
        ..
        Vikings Bust CB Chris Cooks
        ,,,
        We add any ILBs in assuming it would be Jamarri Lattimore

        If we don’t trust Matt Barkley to be a backup(I think we will), then we will add one of the 3: Jason Campbell, Terrell Pryor! or Josh freemen

        If we add any more offensive skill players it will be someone who plays ST, Sproles or McCluster (long shots in my eyes)
        ..
        Donnie Longball

        No idea who the kicker will be who competes with our drunk idiot kicker

        • oreofestar

          Hmmm, I see this would be very good if we can Byrd or WARD AND some of the others but for some reason I am worried about Howie being reluctant to spend the big bucks but by this time tomorrow I hope all is well

          • GEAGLE

            Figure Corey Graham would be two years 3mil total,
            ,,
            Jenkins 4mil per year, about 8m In GUARENTEED.
            ,,
            No idea what the market is for Carrington but he can’t cost much,,,

            Chris Cooks as talented as he is, he has been a bust since being taken 34th in 2010..I’m assuming a little cheaper then Brad Fletch, won’t cost much at all

            Bruce Cambell prob signs something similar to Barbre

            Lattimore will cost 700k to 1mil per year
            ,,
            Ward 6.5mil per,.16m in guarentees

        • Richard Colton

          Woah. Great list with solid arguments until I saw Josh Freeman. You think his work ethic meshes with what Howie and Chip are looking for? Vikes didn’t even dress him and they had drek.

          • oreofestar

            Kid has got some talent though and I would not mind him as a backup I think that there were just issues after the Schiano thing I would not be surprised if he got a chance to start somewhere else

          • Richard Colton

            He did. Vikings. Total flake. I seriously wouldn’t touch Freeman.

          • oreofestar

            I would not mind Freeman at all, we will not sign him but I definitely am not against it

          • George

            I think we’ll have enough charecter guys after fa & the draft to take a flier on freeman afterwards

          • oreofestar

            I do not think we will, but I totally understand the reasoning, the kid has got some talent

          • GEAGLE

            Nope..probably not…but I want a young talent, who Chip can call the right preseason plays for, that will make him look much better then he really is, then sit him on the bench and never let anyone see him again til a desperate Schmuch dreams offers us juicy compensation

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I don’t see Chip wanting a guy like Freeman anywhere near the Novacare complex. Bad vibes. Maybe a Pryor or Campbell. More likely Campbell.

          • GEAGLE

            I’d def rank freeway 3rd out of the 3…it is however possible that Freeman could have been humbled since he basically lost all of his once promising career

          • NickS1

            I’m down with Bruce Campbell. Army of Darkness party in Philly if it happens.

          • GEAGLE

            He wasn’t my idea, someone else called him( can’t remember who) but it was an excellent idea

          • NickS1

            Bringing the Army of Darkness always is

          • GEAGLE

            Oh Bruce was your idea? Good stuff

          • NickS1

            Nope, definitely wasn’t haha.

          • cliff henny

            side job as Chuck Finley, Health inspector, too

          • GEAGLE

            Thank you kind sir

        • RIP illa

          I’d be excited about Pryor (Love me some speed). but I’ve been thinking for a long time that Campbell would be exactly what we need. Keeps us from using a pick on a QB, Vet, and can play well enough, in brief stints, to keep us in games…if not help us win them. I think he’s our best option for backup.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup, they are diff types of QBs..
            ,,
            Cambell would leap frog Barkley as the number two and win some games for us if god forbid FOles got hurt in a division title hunt…
            ,,
            Where as Pryor would be an addition we hope to develop and then Flip for draft picks, don’t think he would be moved ahead of Barkley on depth chart…both have their merits…I wouldn’t mind locking up Cambell for two years and trading away Barkley to Billy Lazor in miami

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Agreed. I can’t see them if they’re bringing in someone else at backup QB to be a “runner” and the opposite the starter. Typically they like someone with same traits so they don’t have to change up gameplans.

        • hrtak

          What about QB/WR Joe Webb from Vikings? Sounds like Chip Kelly type of player? And can be cheap

  • oreofestar

    I felt #teamchill for a a solid 3 1/2 minutes before the panic started again

    • GEAGLE

      Haha

  • GEAGLE

    Btw, Rolondo McClain must be broke because ihe is so already trying to make a comeback,….
    .,,
    WOW!!! If the Bucs can’t trade Revis by 4pm Weds, they will cut him…last regime gave up quality draft picks to get him, gave him big money and might take a cap hit and cut him a year later! If that happens, no one gets to type there is no shot Miami trades us Dion

    • oreofestar

      Remember Revis contract HAD NO GUARANTEED MONEY they lose nothing in terms of money just essentially a wasted pick

      • GEAGLE

        Oh yeah that’s right,..thanks…what they piss away the 13tth pic? Can’t believe a defensive guy like Lovie can’t use a man to man cover corner over that silly Tampa two

        • oreofestar

          I still have a hard time believing they cut him

        • Jerry Pomroy

          If Revis on roster after the deadline, Jets get Bucs 3rd rd pick. If he’s cut before, Jets get Bucs 4th rd pick.

          • GEAGLE

            Oh ok thanks…..yesterday you were telling me you connected dots y/read between lines but I mssed your argument

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Don’t think Byrd just blindly reached out to Chung on the eve of madness. Searched both of their Twitter feeds and nothing going back months. Coincidence, I think not. I just threw in Mitchell because I saw a bunch of tweets between he and Byrd last week loosely about FA & going somewhere together. I think it said Pete’s. Dunno who or where Pete’s may be. So just took a stab.

          • GEAGLE

            NICE!!! NICE!! NICE!!!

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Chickie & Pete’s??…lol. I just don’t know.

          • GEAGLE

            Most likely….4 blocks away from novcare complex

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Man I miss me some crab fries!! But I did figure out how to make them myself, so….

          • GEAGLE

            Love em where you at now?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            30 mins north of Baltimore in Harford Co., MD

          • GEAGLE

            On gotcha, wtf you doing missing crabs? You got all the good crabs…I literally drive all the way to fells point to get these tater tots, with melted cheese n crab meats.. Soooo amazing

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Oh we get the crabs, scallops, etc. Just LOVE me some crab fries C&P style.

            Name of establishment please? My pregnant wife is now inquiring about them online. Thanks!

          • GEAGLE

            Remind me tomorrow and I’ll give you the name

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Cool…TY

          • Jerry Pomroy

            She found a couple places and they’re all closed right now…thank gawd!

          • GEAGLE

            Lol RA Sushi in fells point is probably my fav sushi joint in the world..they have awesome soft shell crab tempura if Yous like sushi

          • Jerry Pomroy

            She’s heard of it. She’s from down here. I’m from Fishtown in Philly.

          • GEAGLE

            Oh ok…yeah if Yous like sushi, def should check it out eventually..better then any sushi you can find in Philly..lhow old are you? I’m class of 2000(1982)

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’m 39. Class of ’92 from Lincoln HS in Mayfair.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Wife is closer to your age.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            And of course, I don’t have any of the ingredients. Figures! But maybe I’ll save them for my celebration at 4pm tomorrow…

  • PhillySean

    The BS about DeSean reminds me of the crapolla that was circulating about Cooper just prior to his new contract being signed. Tiresome idiocy.

    • GEAGLE

      Yup

  • Tom

    Sign Revis and move Fletcher or Williams to Safety ?

    • Jerry Pomroy

      No thank you. Rather have a bonafide safety first before we start talking projects.

    • oreofestar

      I got an idea how about signing Byrd?

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That was more or less my intention in my response below.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    For those hoping to get insider info from Jay Glazer, apparently he’s getting his 2nd surgery on his back tomorrow in 2wks. Must be taking it somewhat easy.

    • GEAGLE

      Ugh thanks for heads up

  • GEAGLE

    Guants are going to re sign tuck

    • oreofestar

      Good which means they will not resign Jospeh

  • GEAGLE

    Giants,rams and Skins carried over no cap money from last year, they were actually over.,.so those teams don’t have the 133m cap ceiling everyone else has, their cap is like 132k…doubt rams can steal Byrd

    • oreofestar

      I have no idea why the Giants would take Tuck over Joseph looks like Joseph is gone and Beason could be too

      • GEAGLE

        Lol they are just dumb if they lose Beason.llwonder where nicks ends up

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Anyone hearing any whispers on the OLB front? I mean not that were hearing shiznit, but thoughts? We need to add someone, if at the very least someone to spell Barwin here and there.

    • GEAGLE

      Neal is the only one I look at as a possibility. And I’m not a fan of his and think he isn’t a good way to spend money…
      ,,,
      I guess Howies splash could be Mike Johnson! but unlikely and really expensive…
      ,..
      We aren’t signing lamarr Houston
      ,,
      Bennett signed deal to stay a Seahawks
      ..
      Philly media likes to write about Obrien Schofield, but that makes no damn sense. We only had one OLB on our roster next year, and we passed on Obrien, a pure OLB, twice on waivers…we could have picked him up last year for dirt cheap and instead we chose Casey Mathews, I just don’t see how we could pass on picking a guy up off waivers! and then chase him in free agency after the season…
      ..
      Guessing Neal is only realistic target, but I’d rather not add him. Try trading for Dion, or make the splash and add Johnson to the bird wang gang

      • oreofestar

        I think we are stuck hoping to get a good OLB in the draft

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Still need someone behind Barwin though.

          • oreofestar

            Rob Jackson? IDk at this point maybe we will see if Ware gets released

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I was waiting for that name. Does Ware still have it? I mean he’d still be the best OLB if we added him, but does it make sense? We added Kearse late in his career….

          • oreofestar

            At the right price maybe but I am not breaking the bank for him

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yeah my thought as well, but I think he’d get paid. Plus, he’d probably want to go to a major contender. 49ers maybe with Smith going to trial/jail?

          • oreofestar

            49ers have no cash, I would say Broncos but they are a lock to sign Allen, Seahawks no, Pats doubt it, I mean I do not know any of the contenders he would sign for unless he considers us one

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yeah I was just thinking Broncos too. I guess we’d have a shot. I just am very afraid going into the draft needing to make sure we get an OLB to secede Cole. Especially where we’re picking. Maybe they trade back and take M Smith and call it a day.

          • oreofestar

            I would not mind trading back and forth moving down to like 30 collecting some picks and using some of the new picks to get to top of the 2nd

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Perfect scenario. I’d be much more comfortable taking M Smith early 2nd.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But I wouldn’t feel guilty at 30 either.

  • Eagles1018

    The Bucs wanna trade Revis….the plot thickens……….

    • Corey

      Probably going to cut him unless Oakland or Minny trade for him.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Not coming here though. If I’m going for someone older, it’ll be Ware if released. But even that’s a stretch.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Byrd just tweeted that he’s relaunching his Facebook page. Guessing he’s gearing up for being welcomed to a new home….