Wake-Up Call: Notes On Barr, OLB Prospects

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Linebackers took center stage along with defensive linemen at the combine Monday. Some notes to pass along:

– Could the Eagles be within striking distance of UCLA’s Anthony Barr on draft day? Mike Mayock, for one, doesn’t believe Barr is a top-10 player.

UCLA’s Anthony Barr is Mayock’s No. 3 linebacker, but Mayock doesn’t think Barr is a top-10 pick. While Barr is a good pass rusher, Mayock said that “when he doesn’t win with speed,” he has issues. Mayock also said Barr is best against the run as a chaser: “He’s not real strong at the point of attack.”

Some pundits disagree. Mel Kiper, as an example, has Barr going sixth overall.

The 6-4, 255-pounder out of UCLA recorded 23.5 sacks and 41.5 tackles for a loss over the last two seasons while playing outside linebacker. This after starting his college career on the offensive side of the ball as a running back and wide receiver. He estimated that he dropped into coverage about 30 percent of the time last season, and said he fared pretty well. Rushing the passer, though, is his primary objective.


"Von Miller, Aldon Smith, Clay Matthews, DeMarcus Ware, guys like that," said Barr on the NFL players he looks up to. "One day I'd like to be named with those guys."

Hard to imagine Barr floating down to 22, but could he drop low enough to entice the Eagles to move up? The San Pedro, CA native ran a 4.66 40 on Monday.

-- Stanford defensive end/outside linebacker Trent Murphy ran a 4.86-40. Sheil wrote about Murphy at the Senior Bowl. He played stand-up linebacker at Stanford and led the nation with 15 sacks. His measurables (6-5, 251, 11-plus inch hands) surely haven't' slipped past Chip Kelly, who got an up-close look at Murphy while at Oregon. (He had two sacks and two tackles for a loss against the Ducks in 2012.) Murphy posted 32.5 sacks and 52.5 tackles for a loss on the collegiate level.

"I've gotten a lot of interest from both 3-4 and 4-3 teams. A lot of teams are looking at me at that outside linebacker position," he said. "I think it's really on the edge, whether it's as a defensive end or standup outside linebacker. I just like to be on that edge of the defense, on that angle, and I like to get after the passer rushing."

CBS Sports projects that Murphy will be taken in the second round.

-- Mayock mentioned Auburn's Dee Ford as a possible pass-rushing solution for the Eagles at 22 pre-combine.  Ford did not participate in the workouts this week, however, because of a medical problem related to surgery he had on a herniated disc back in 2011, per NFL.com.  

"I feel fine. Everything is fine. It's what they call a medical precaution that they wanted to go through, and they don't want to risk anything here," said Ford. "So I had the medical exclusion. It's very unfortunate. I'm very disappointed. I came to really compete in this combine but, you know, it's all good. I'm still going to stay here and support my peers.".

WHAT YOU MISSED

Mayock thinks Missouri DE Kony Ealy could go between 20-23. Is he a fit in Philly?

Sheil uses the All-22 to analyze free agent safety Mike Mitchell.

Three notes on the receivers at the combine with an Eagles slant, courtesy of Mr. Kapadia.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

The Eagles met with Johnny Manziel at the combine, according to Peter King. Manziel also reportedly sat down with Houston, Jacksonville,  Cleveland, Dallas, Tampa Bay and maybe Oakland. Five of those six teams are picking in the top 10. Phil Sheridan offers his thoughts.

The Cowboys at 17 and the Eagles at 22 are jarringly out of place in that company.

That can mean one of two things as far as the Eagles are concerned: Either they believe Manziel could drop far enough on draft day to be an option for them, or they are contemplating a blockbuster deal to move up in the draft to have a shot at him.

Domo writes about the Eagles' best player available approach that appears to be serving them well.

Last year, if the Eagles had an edge-rusher or safety rated as highly on their board at 35 as they did Ertz, they probably would have taken the edge-rusher or safety, because those were greater needs.

But Ertz' grade was much higher than anyone else on their board at that point. Same thing with their decision to take quarterback Matt Barkley in the fourth round with the 98th overall pick. They had a top-50 grade on him.

"When you look at your team and try to look out 3-4 years, it becomes increasingly difficult to see who's going to be on your team," Roseman said. "I mean, this is such a fluid game. Rosters turn over 15-20 percent in a normal offseason. To sit there and be really confident in what you're going to have as you go forward, it's hard.

COMING UP

Free agency is fast approaching. We'll continue to get you ready.

  • George

    classic espn. no way in hell manziel comes to philly.

    • cliff henny

      picturing convo like this this…
      howie: hey johnny, how’s it’s going?
      JM: good, i’m getting reps in, looking forw…
      kelly cutting him off: yeah, great, so…tell me me about mike evans

      • George

        something like that

  • RIP illa

    Funny how every year there’s a prospect, like Barr, who most people instantly love and covet. Then as the scouting process moves further along, he gets pick apart and the love and enthusiasm dies down.

    I could understand many (including myself) wanting Jordan last year. Even though we knew he’d be a project. Weak draft class and we were less developed in our rebuild. Barr is similar in the way that he will be a complete project. He has to get a whole lot stronger. He has to learn technique and moves, just like Jordan.

    So the questions are…If he falls to us at 22, do we take him? Will he even be the best player at 22?

    He’s an upside guy right now, but there is strong competition from 2nd rounders, who seem just slightly more developed for the ROLB spot. Meaning that they are stronger and provide just as good of a pass rush, while seemingly, being able to set the edge for the run. And no, I’m not talking about Trent Murphy!!!

    • GEAGLE

      Rather have Marcus smith….but you know that :)

      • NickS1

        I’m intrigued by him and Barrow. Big fan of C-Jones still. Wanted to throw my remote at the TV when I saw Telvin Jones looking completely out of place. Dude needs to accept that no team is employing a 218lb guy at LB in the NFL. Everyone who pegged him as this class’ version of Chancellor was spot on. Dude’s going to be a SS if he ever wants to play in the NFL.

        • GEAGLE

          Would like ATleast two of the 3: KVN, c jones and Marcus daaaaaarling
          ..
          Two of the three: Jordan Mathews, ODB and Moncrief

          • igglesfaninportland

            KVN and c jones?. Do you see jones as an ilb or olb? This past year he lined up more DE and olb looked good but not STRONG at the point. I like both. Think both may be avail in 2nd. Also where do you think Brandon Cook goes. I watched him live this season could be best slot receiver in the draft

        • Eagles4Life

          I loved watching Telvin play LB for FSU. The guy has Ray Lewis-esque leadership on that side of the ball. If dude was even 230 it would have been better for him. I just don’t think he can put a lot of weight on, but he can move. Somebody might take a shot on him at WILL.

          • NickS1

            He’s a hell of a player but I just think it’s going to be an impossible feat getting someone to actually take a 220lb linebacker seriously, regardless of which side he lines up on. I’ve been wrong before, but I just don’t see it.

      • cliff henny

        obd and smith, can get onboard that. moncrief in 4th. safety like bailey in 3rd. from there can see if lyerla goes udfa, dri or dat little crazy toy weapon. 5th rdr for o-line always works, dont need a step-in day 1 guy.

      • Tom w

        O now you are putting Marcus smith ahead of Barr. That’s pretty bold change in a week. Or you saying you like smith better at 56 then you do Barr say at 18 or even 22

    • Joe L

      I don’t think there’s a shot he tumbles down to 22. If he bombed at the combine then maybe, but he did pretty damn well.

      • RIP illa

        Who do you see him going to or rather what teams could pick him before he reaches us?

        Edit: just thought about the Titans. But can’t think of too many others.

        • Joe L

          Atlanta. Now that Tennessee is moving to a 3-4, them for sure. Hell with Dallas talking about cutting Ware, they’re a candidate. Pittsburgh, NYJ and maaaaaaybe the Packers.

          • GEAGLE

            Doubt Atlanta takes him…if the titans don’t take him, he could really fall

          • Joe L

            Why wouldn’t Atlanta take him?

          • GEAGLE

            Greg Robinson should be on the board and they would NEVER be able to pass on that type of LT talent…basically I think Atlanta will trade up for Clowney or take an OT…I guess they could go Barr or Mack, but Robinson is too juicy of a prospect to pass on

          • GEAGLE

            Steelers won’t take him, neither will the ravens…jets and Arizona worry me tho.

            Arizona is going to try to sign Brandon Albert, if they lose him to Miami! then they will go OT..if they get him, they will draft a CB opposite Peterson or Barr/pass rusher
            ..
            Jets always are a possibility to steal a falling defensive talent

          • RIP illa

            Gotta disqualify ATL. They’ll be taking Clowney or Mack. Disqualifying Dallas (sorta) also. He’d be an OLB for them. I never thought if him as a DE and that’s since the end of the college season, won’t rule it completely out. So you’re right, they are a candidate. Especially w/ crazy ass Jerry at the helm..
            Ruling out the Jets. If they don’t go O then they’re gonna be in the same situation as last season. WR or TE, if they get a shot at Evans, they better take it!!!
            Steelers nation is focusing on OL and WR help. They are getting old, or rather are old on D, but they already have Jones in place for if they lose Worilds…right? Besides, their secondary is where they need real help. They’re getting really old at 3 out of the 4 starting DB spots.
            And I know GB is more BPA, but they need help at ILB more than they need to add a back up to Matthews. And they need Safety help more than they need ILB help.

          • Joe L

            I get the rest of them, but I’m missing your point on Dallas. Explain a little more?

          • RIP illa

            You were talking about them taking Barr to fill the void if Ware leaves. I think there’s no shot that Barr can do that, due to the fact that he doesn’t project well enough to be a DE. In a 4-3, I think Barr is strictly a SAM OLB. So I’m ruling out Dallas for that reason, but not completely, cuz we never know what Jerry will do. I do believe that if Dallas lets Ware go and think that they must fill that spot w/ 1st round talent, then they’ll go w/ Ealy.

          • GEAGLE

            Dallas is playing a 4man line…they will either draft Aaron Donald at 3technique or one of the safeties

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      I disagree with your 2nd paragraph. Although raw due to limited time on the defensive side, Barr had more production and far better technique than Jordan coming out. Tommy did a good write-up on him the other day; Barr shows all the characteristics of a good OLB even in his 1st and 2nd year on that side. I’d take him in a heartbeat

      • RIP illa

        That’s cool. I’ll defer to more knowledgable people.
        When I watch him I just see a superior speed rush and the ability to flatten well. I usually just chalk those up to God given athletic talents. I remember Jordan not flattening as well, but having crazy bend around the edge. He does look better than Jordan coming off the edge to me tho. But I fail to see use of hands and variety. I’ll go back and watch some more.

    • Rick H

      I really used to enjoy lookong at all the mock drafts however I now find them a complete waste of time… Almost anyone here commenting could put together just as good of a mock draft as most of these so called draft experts. To respond to your comments every year they go crazy about a bunch of top college players then as time goes on they amazingly start picking them apart and give the impression that their draft stock is falling and they are not that good. THEN as the draft gets very close they start discounting the individual players weaknesses and put them way back up on their mock draft boards. I think it is a joke. In reality these players were always highly ranked and go as originally anticipated. (Yes you have a few exceptions but not many).Bottom line they just want hits on their websites.

      • Richard Colton

        doing a mock draft before free agency is like shopping for ingredients without reading the recipe. I read them because I want to learn more about the rookie class, and to be able to put them in context as we get further into the process. Some of them are scary accurate – Don Banks 8.0 last year? Creepy. Peter King predicted Watkins to the Eagles a few years back. Tells you something about the Eagles actually.

        Anyway, it’s just fun. I wouldn’t get wound up about it.

    • Bird of Prey

      Well, think of the gamesmanship of the draft. Remember Vontez Burfect being a top 5 pick before the draft? I think he went undrafted, then made the pro-bowl for Cincinnati a year later. Same w/Warren Sapp and Dan Marino. I remember the possible drug chatter about them, but they were never a problem off the field, and both HOF’s(we picked Haddix instead of marino that year..). So I try to look at what the did on the field and on film their senior year. I may be wrong, but when I see Clowney on TV and watched him on game day this year, something in the back of my head started harken back to another combine fenom, Mike Mamula. I’d like to see what they are going to do this year and what they are going to do with them. Take a WR that is big, fast but doesn’t have the best hands in the 5th and convert him into a corner, stuff like that. And I think Chip and Howie have the creativity to do that. So May can’t come soon enough, and March will tell us about the F/A situation. Go Eagles.

  • GEAGLE

    Jerry jones strongly hints at releasing Demarcus Ware…..lol

    • George

      If we end up grabbing barr, do you think we sign ware to mentor barr? I think that’d be great, plus we get to pluck one of the best cowgirls from the last 10 years from uder their noses

      • GEAGLE

        Don’t think we are signing anyone unless we cut or trade BG… Ware is the one cowboy I wouldn’t mind poaching..it be fun to have him on our team hunting Romo in cowboys stadium

        • G_WallyHunter

          My goodness, seeing Ware in midnight green, you’d be scratching your eyes a few times that’s for sure… Jeeze imagine that, agreed, him and maybe Dez would be the only two cowboys to poach (and I guess that MLB too, even tho he can’t get on the field)

          • GEAGLE

            He should have never been a cowboy. He is a humble dude not a piece of crap cowboy

          • G_WallyHunter

            Haha no crap eh… His character and work ethic and professionalism no way in hell he should be on that team. What a waste of 8 years…

          • GEAGLE

            Check your Canadian twang at the door when addressing me!!!! Haha jk you know I got love for you wally

          • G_WallyHunter

            Haha can’t help it, my bad, lol check your canadian twang at the door, good one. but hey that was really something on sunday morning eh? I’m no wannabe nationlist and I do not support Olympic games but did the Canadian team ever dominate..

          • GEAGLE

            Lol “cut it out” David Coultier…

          • G_WallyHunter

            Do it… Dooo it… Barry finkle finkle fixtures DOOO IT DO IT

          • GEAGLE

            The Canadian Barry Finkle? You may be on to something!!!

          • G_WallyHunter

            Haha didn’t know who David coulter was… Googled… What the hell does Joey have to do with this?

          • GEAGLE

            He was like the most famous Canadian ever during the 90s

          • G_WallyHunter

            NO way!!
            What about wayne gretzky and Celine Dion?
            What about Gord Downie?
            Forgetting some important ones
            Shania Twain?
            Joey was born in Michigan mother was from New Brunswick, according to wiki

          • GEAGLE

            Lol Yous came a long way since the 90′s…now Yous got Georges St. Pierr reaping you guys…

          • G_WallyHunter

            Screw Gsp its all about Rory now!!!
            cant forget bob and doug Mckenzie either..

          • GEAGLE

            Rory sure looked like a savage the other night. I felt bad for Maia, he got abused

          • G_WallyHunter

            Meant to watch didnt, did rory kick the crap out of him? Knocked out?

          • GEAGLE

            Oh yeah!!! Savage BEATDOWN!!! Hadn’t seen Rory look Ike that since he was suplexing Nate Diaz like a ragdoll

          • Andy124

            Best Canadian? Robin Sparkles.

          • Maggie

            I rather like this Canadian

          • G_WallyHunter

            Lol ODOYLE RULES ODOYLE RULES..
            good that you aren’t one of those crazy “chop ur head off for my borders” Americans, they’re funny

          • Maggie

            Steve Nash, Ted Gerela in 70′s, Andrew Wiggins current, Mark Messier, Bobby Clarke, Dave Schultz. Seth Rogen, Bill Shatner, Lorne Greene (Bonanza), Peter Jennings. Something different:
            Apollo 13 was supposed to be the third manned mission to the moon. After an oxygen tank ruptured on the craft high above Earth, however, the goal quickly changed to rescuing the crew.
            “We were in the middle of a routine in the running of our department when we got a phone call,” said Philip Sullivan, who was a member of the University of Toronto Institute for Aerospace Studies at the time.

            He and four other colleagues in his department were asked by a NASA contractor to make recommendations on how to separate the spacecraft’s lunar module from the command module — which was crucial to bringing the crew home safely

            “They were worried about the shockwaves causing damage,” Sullivan said. The group had four hours to calculate how much pressure would be needed to ditch the lunar module without endangering the astronauts.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Holy crap, thanks for that, learn something new everyday. And great list too, mine were mostly jokes lol Celine Dion and Shania Twain..

          • Maggie

            And they did it playing defense. What everyone on this site loves! ;~)

        • travis papa

          We won’t cut Graham because it would actually cost more in dead money than his contract pays him this yr it’s plan and simple. If we cut Cole or trade him it would be a net gain of nearly $2mil. It’s either Graham Cole rookie or graham Free Agent rookie and Cole cut. Those are the only realistic options at all.

      • travis papa

        Way too much invested at the position is what you will then talk of trading Cole or Graham. We will roll with Cole graham & a rookie. I think graham has a shot to take the starting role if given a real opportunity.

        • RIP illa

          That’s’ show I see it but can understand the argument on the other side. However, I do think BG is gone after this year and hope we can trade him before or during the draft.

      • RIP illa

        Then we’d be paying 5 OLBs starter money for the year. Cole, Barwin, BG, Ware, and Barr??? Not gonna happen.

        • aub32

          Why not? Currently we are paying a 3rd and 4th round pick at the QB position. If reports are true that Byrd and Ward are staying put, then I don’t see us sinking a lot of money into the safety position. That’s not to mention how little we are paying our D line. Cox is making 2 million. Logan and Thorton are making less than 800k. So why not put that money into somewhere. I’d rather it go to Ware and Barr than some lesser players that are barely an upgrade. Next year Cole and Graham will most likely be gone. It would be nice to have Barr, Ware, and Barwin in place.

          • GEAGLE

            We still have to pay for Malcom Jenkins and Alex Carrington

          • cliff henny

            only 2 questions are, how much and will ware be interested in playing in a rotation. eagles are at 26m under now, and it’s simple to find 10-12m more. johnny geagle said eagles are sniffing around jenkins, he’s 4m range. even if they sign another c-wills type cb, that 6m, both cooper and mac might total 8m. kelce costs 5m. no need to bring in 4 blown knee guys for 5m, give it to ware.
            .
            thornton is getting pay-raise, he’s rfa. not sure he’ll cost much, but more than 800k

          • GEAGLE

            Alex Carrington will get 2-3.5per year from us

          • cliff henny

            that’s fine, i’m cutting casey then. nfl just increased cap 6m, basically giving eagles a 6m guy for free. i’d take ware in a heart beat

          • GEAGLE

            Get me ware, and I’ll give Casey a piggy back ride to the airport

          • aub32

            Even if we do go after Jenkins, I don’t expect him to come with much of a price tag, and like you wrote, we can easily get a little maore cap room by cutting Avant, Chung, and restructuring DJax and Ryans. We will have more than enough room to pay Ware and get back Mac and/or Coop.

          • RIP illa

            I could see that. That’s the difference when we were going at it about Worlids. Although aware is now in the NFL AARP club, he’s still considered elite. So I can understand us the thoughts on us bringing him in, despite what we currently have invested.

          • aub32

            We agree on Ware. However, I still remain that if the personnel dept. determined that Worlids is a significant upgrade over Cole, then I would have no problem going after him. (Of course that’s if we don’t or cannot get Ware). I want the best talent on the field. I don’t care if that means a big money guy sits on the bench for a year.

        • cliff henny

          BG would be gone. Cole comes off next year. Ware takes one of those 4 yr 20m deals, but only 2 yrs/10m is guarenteed, might take little more, but eagles have it. by then rookie should be ready to go fulltime in ’16. there’s no safety to spend money on.

          • RIP illa

            So we suffer through for one year and then rent aware for another? It’s sorta like the Worlids argument I had, except it gets another level w/ adding a 1st rounder at the same position. Are we gonna be, are you cool, w/ Trent on the bench making 5 mil or Ware on the bench making 5 mil?

          • cliff henny

            yup, i’m fine with that. eagles just need to rollover 10m, and ’12′s class can all be signed. seattle had guys making 5-8m riding pine in super bowl. also, eagles defense plays 1200 snaps, would think there’s plenty to rotate between rookie, ware barwin and cole, plus specialty packages, cole and ware can play in 4-3. it’s do-able.

          • George

            yeah. I didn’t even think about ware being able to stick his hand in the dirt. i’d love to see a nickel witl cox,ced, ware, cole, meco, kendricks. any one of them could rush or drop. it’d be chaos… I love it

          • cliff henny

            switch out ced for curry…ware, cox, curry, cole…2 lbrs are kendricks and christian smith…think eagles might do a little better on 3rd and longs.

          • George

            forgot about curry too. God that’d be impossible to predict. You could blitz any 2, 3, or even one of those guys and have the onters drop. It’d be impossible

          • aub32

            Trent has too much dead money to cut. So what if he’s making a lot of money on the bench. It’s not our money. If it won’t hurt us cap wise, which I doubt it will, then what’s the problem?

          • RIP illa

            Also are you saying that we trade BG this year when you say he’ll be gone? I hope so cuz I want extra picks.

          • cliff henny

            think he’s not worth much, but yeah, sure, try. i’d take a 6th.

      • Richard Colton

        One of my biggest pet peeves in the sports world. Nobody signs players to mentor other players. It’s a fantasy. A player willing to demonstrate leadership by mentoring other players is a nice intangible, but nobody is signed for that purpose. Not even Doug Pederson. That’s what coaches are for.

    • Joe L

      The best is Jones reasoning “He hasn’t been on the field much the past two years”. Even though 2013 was the only time he EVER missed time, and in 2012 he put up 11.5 sacks and 5 FF. Go for it Jerry!

      • G_WallyHunter

        Lol demarcus just sits there shaking his head when he hears this… Release him and let him go play for a contender

    • cliff henny

      great. that defense is going to be terrible. it could be a smart move, if he doesnt spend it all-but that’s never been the case. it’s more about ’15s cap then ’14s, this year is managable if he can just relax. in ’15 they have 2 major tickets to write,smith and bryant, if jerry uses this money to sign hatcher to multi-yr, he really causing mess.

      • GEAGLE

        Wtf are they negotiating with Spencer for if they have to Cut Ware…wtf is wrong with them?

        • cliff henny

          spencer might be on cheaper side, Hatcher’s the one that’s going to cost. issue with cowboys is no matter who they cut or restructure, they have to be very carefull who they sign to multi-yr contracts. get too aggressive, will have to take some of these aging vets way out in ’15 to get dez and smith signed.

          • GEAGLE

            They admitted that they can’t be players in free agency, but laughed it off saying free agency is over rated

          • G_WallyHunter

            It is overrated!!! They’ll be quick to point you to the eagles in 2011 for a prime example!

          • cliff henny

            well, having worst defense, then not being able to sign 2 best players is what everyone else is laughing at.

          • GEAGLE

            I love how all the analysts ask jerry to his face about fans wanting him to fire himself as a GM and hire someone else lol

          • Curly

            I love how he told them that if they put up the $140mil he put up 25 years ago (which is worth $2 billions today), then they can start making suggestions…. lol. This is Jerry’s world, we’re just living in it.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Him*
          Although his son Stephen seems like a doofus as well, hopefully he’s waiting for the GM/Owner job to be handed to him

  • RIP illa

    Alright…it’s money time!!! DBS need to show and prove. Hopefully we’ll see some guys seperate themselves from the others. Especially CBs, cuz that’s a cluttered mess right now.

    • oreofestar

      I really think that the Eagles need to consider trading up this year

      • RIP illa

        Been thinking about it, can’t justify it yet. I want more picks. Of course if we’re trading up for future HOFer at ROLB, A-a-Ron Donald…then I’m all for it.

        • oreofestar

          Donald is a DT/DE and it depends I mean if at 15ish a guy like Mike Evans, or Anthony Bar than yeah but also I am hoping for more picks, if Cooper and Vick levaes like I think hopefully we can get a comp. pick I want more picks really

          • RIP illa

            Apparently you didn’t pay attention yesterday. Eagles are going to focus on WIDTH over length at ROLB. Donald for president!!!

          • Richard Colton

            wide people beat up narrow people. it’s science.

          • RIP illa

            My new one today is to draft Exum and move him to Safety. I don’t know if you can get online, but if you do, just look at the kid. He came in weighing 213 and looks like he’s training for Mr. Olympia rather the the NFL. Running around 4.5s and has played outside, slot, and free before. Gotta watch more breakdowns to see how he handles the run.

          • Richard Colton

            Is he 100% opposed like the Linebacker we were talking about yesterday?

          • RIP illa

            Don’t know, but doubt it since he’s been moved around in college. Telvin Smith is just a weird case and I know he can cover decently in short areas, but have know idea how he would do downfield and in space. Kam, Mays, and him have the size, build, and speed that coaches would kill for in a safety. Yet only one is proven to be able to actually be able to play the position well.

          • Richard Colton

            I just don’t get Telvin Smith. Say he’s sitting there in round 5 or 7 and the Eagles take him?

            “Just so you know Chip, I’m not playing Safety”
            “That’s OK Telvin, we drafted you to play Special Teams”
            “I want to start someday soon”
            “Sure, we anticipate an opening at Safety”

          • RIP illa

            Lol, that’s exactly how that convo would go.
            I think he has legit 2nd/3rd rd talent, but if I’m a team wanting to develop him…I mean really really just smitten w/ him, then I could see a back 1/2 of the 3rd and 4th. But that weight puts him right where you said, for me. Crazy things happen on draft day tho. So if a team has info that suggest he can add 15-20lbs to his frame w/o affecting his speed and agility…then go for it. But man, he went through his whole college career and up to this point w/o being able to put on weight.

          • Richard Colton

            I’m generally opposed to asking a player play out of position. And for some of them it’s so cliche – “slow CB with decent size? make him a Safety.”

            I’m willing to make the exception for sliding college tackles to Guards. DE to OLB. and Telvin Smith. Don’t know why.

          • RIP illa

            That makes sense. I just think about how we use our Safties in the slot, outside of being traditional, and then the fact that his colleges coaches trusted him enough and got him filmilar w/ playing the position. So it works for me. But still it’s not as easy as just saying move any CB to S. Man I read G.Cobb comment section for laughs every now and then, and I heard people arguing for moving Kendricks to S and recently Boykin to S.

          • Richard Colton

            Gary Cobb was a Cowboy. He can’t help the way he is.

          • oreofestar

            I know but I don’t think he is a OLB plus I doubt he makes it to 22

  • RIP illa

    Breeland w/ a 4.59 unofficial time. Unoficial!!! That’s pathetic. Bucannon comes w/ a respectable 4.50u.
    HaHa puts out a 4.52.

    Where’s my speed!!! MOAR SPEED!!!

    • anon

      Makes clowneys time look even better, he can play lb or safety.

      • RIP illa

        For real!

        Cockrell from Duke, who played great in the bowl game against Tex A&M put up a 4.43 and Dennard just showed that he can run w/ a 4.42. Of course they’re gonna be slower once officials get out, but the way they do official times are sketchier than handheld.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          Big fan of Cockrell. Hope we grab him late

          • RIP illa

            I’m not sure yet. He impressed the hell outta me during that Bowl game. Ran pretty decent today. But didn’t really show consistency in drills so far. The drills thing is getting to me…don’t know why. Maybe cuz I’m expecting Colvin to be there late, around the same rounds where he’s slotted to be.

            Also Gaines, not EJ, showed out durin the 40 and just looks real long and smooth during drills. He’s listed as a 7th round projection right now, but I can see him moving to 6th after today, and depending on how the other groups fair.

  • RIP illa

    Damn…Gilbert was just disappointed w/ his run. Shaking his head. 4.35u! Lol.

    • Eagles4Life

      Man, if things get crazy, I wouldn’t really hesitate scooping him at 22 or later if we trade back.

      • RIP illa

        I wouldn’t at all. I don’t wanna draft a CB in the 1st, but the kid looked like the future today.

  • Token

    KVN didnt look very athletic in some drills I saw yesterday.

    Is it really possible Barr slips? Maybe teams drafting higher will be put off by the fact he is raw.

    • cliff henny

      lot of those 10-21 teams are win now coaches. they dont have 2 yrs to develope. watching eagles coaches with Lane and Wolff, i just want the freakiest of freaks with a desire to play-that’s sometimes the difficult part, too athletic for own good-and let kelly and staff coach them up.

      • bargle

        cliff,
        appreciate your comments … but it’s develop not develope

        • cliff henny

          ha, i was barely a C- english student, and on phone…i’m just glad people can understand me.

          • RIP illa

            I know what you mean man. I primarily post from my phone and man it’s a B!!!

        • dnabrice

          Bargle…Are you serious??? This is a blog about the Eagles. If you’re getting upset about a slight spelling mistake, I suggest you take a trip to http://eoilumi1.blogspot.com/ — “English for Beginners” — they’re looking for comments over there.

    • Richard Colton

      Tell me we can get Barr and KVN in the same draft. They can go QB/Kicker in rounds 3 & 4 for all I care. I’m popping the champagne corks.

      • Token

        So is he a inside guy? Didnt look athletic enough to survive on the outside. Strictly based of yesterday. Havent watched him in actual game.

        • Richard Colton

          KVN? Yeah – that’s where I’d have him. Wouldn’t hate him at LOLB either. I’ve seen a lot of his games. He get’s swallowed up by outstanding blockers (Zac Martin for example) but he is so versatile and instinctual – we’d love him in this town. Another Willie T.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I think he’d be loved more than Willie. I responded to Token’s comment above about KVN not looking very athletic yesterday. I think he’s a classic effort guy whose speed and athleticism comes out at game speed once the adrenaline gets pumping. He’s got a ton of heart, is an excellent inside blitzer/rusher, can instinctively get to the ball carrier and can cover sideline to sideline.

          • oreofestar

            I would love KVN or Marcus Smith at 54 even if we have to trade up a bit in round 2 to secure one of them

          • Jerry Pomroy

            See I think pass rushers being such a premium & this being a deep draft at WR you’ll see a run on the 2nd tier LBs and/or DEs starting late 1st rd.

          • Eagles4Life

            People were knocking Sean Lee at his combine for being a stiff too. Now everyone loves him.

          • Richard Colton

            Better than Willie T? Multiple Pro-bowls out of a guy you take at #54? Sign me up Jerry.

      • Eagles4Life

        I wouldn’t go that far, but Barr and KVN & Christian Jones is a possible.

        • Richard Colton

          3 Linebackers in the first three rounds? Then we would have to cut an OLB/ILB. But who? Who?

          • Eagles4Life

            *scratches head* I think his name starts with Casey.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I think KVN is your classic effort guy where his speed and athleticism show when the adrenaline is pumping at game speed. His heart/effort reminds me a lot of a Zach Thomas.

      • GEAGLE

        VrAbel for me

  • RIP illa

    Exum should be a freakin Safety. That kid is jacked and weighed in at 213. Runs in the low 4.5s. Crazy.

  • anon

    haha benches 11, he couldn’t stop me.

    Gilbert bumped 20

    • Andy124

      No snark: Didn’t honey badger have like 4 reps or something?

    • oreofestar

      I would not have problem with either at 22

    • Maggie

      How many reps will they be doing in the middle of intercepting Romo again? Seems lately that going after the ball has become more important than smashing someone into the turf.

  • Amar (India)

    Not sure if I missed it, but, have we heard some insight from GEAGLE about Murphy ?

    • GEAGLE

      Better then I expected. Word was that he was going to be another Bjoern Werner, but he looked no where as stiff to me, and much more agile. I could actually see him playing OLB, where as Bjoern to me can only be a DE..

      Better then I expected actually. I was pleasantly surprised with how he was moving yesterday

      • Mitchell

        Agree. I saw him in drills yesterday and was pleasantly surprised with his fluidity. That said, I have not watched any of his tape but his production looks pretty good.

  • Maggie

    Barr is 6’4″, 255 pounds, fast and used to be a wide receiver. Hmmm.

    • GEAGLE

      Lol Barr was NEVER a WR…try again. Close, but no cigar sweetie

      • Explorer51

        Actually, based on what both Tim and this Wikipedia entry claim, Maggie is correct: “Barr was an offensive player his first two years at UCLA playing running back, wide receiver and tight end. Prior to his junior season in 2012, he switched to linebacker.”

        Plus, according to Sports-reference.com, he was actually listed as a WR his freshman year in 2010.

        http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/anthony-barr-1.html