Roseman: ‘Stop-Gap’ Possible At Safety

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INDIANAPOLIS — Hopes are high that the Eagles will finally find the solution to their safety problems this offseason. But it is certainly possible — perhaps even likely — that they’ll fall short of those aspirations. It may be another year of survival at the safety spot.

Howie Roseman painted that as a possible scenario when speaking with a handful of reporters at the combine Thursday afternoon.

Generally speaking, the Eagles will be looking for value in free agency as opposed to big-ticket players with exorbitant price tags. They’ll be searching for complementary pieces to their young core that are likely to fit well with within the team’s culture.That doesn’t mean that they won’t spend big if a target checks all the boxes.




"I think unique situations call for unique action, so if there is a unique player in free agency that is hard to find other than at the top of the draft and fits all the criteria that we've outlined -- some publicly, some privately -- then you have to look at it. We still view ourselves as aggressive and risk-takers. Sometimes you have to take risks to get better," said Roseman.

Jairus Byrd and T.J. Ward may very well be the type of players that the Eagles would be willing to spend 'A' money on. But it's not quite that simple.

"When you say an 'A' player on the market right now, is that player going to get tagged, is that player going to be available?" said Roseman. "And then, is it 'A' money or is it 'A-plus-plus' money? Then how does that fit into the structure of your football team? When you talk about chemistry and rewarding your own players, when you bring someone in from another team and you're paying A-plus money, how are your other players going to feel?

"That person has to be a special person on and off the field."

The two most coveted free-agent safeties may never hit the market. And if they do, chances are their asking price will be sky high. Still, as Roseman said, "unique situations call for unique action." Couldn't you also say, unique positions call for unique action? The Eagles have been hurting at safety spot for years now. Whether it's overspending or moving a player up the board, does the team brass need to move outside of their comfort zone here?

"You can't force things. You can't make something that's not there. I think we've all seen the lessons learned from that. If you do that you're going to make a huge mistake," said Roseman. "Sometimes the option is just to get through the moment and to do some stop-gap things. And I'm not necessarily saying that's what we have to do at a particular position, but if you look at the teams that have won the championships over the last couple of years, they're not perfect at 22 spots. And I think there's a big difference having a weakness at a particular position as opposed to being solid and getting through. That's going to be the important thing."

The terms "stop-gap" and "get through the moment" aren't ones this fan base wants used when discussing the safety position, but that could end up being the reality.

"Listen, we've talked a lot about it. We've talked a lot about Brian Dawkins and we talked a lot about the position, and it's understandable. But you can't make up great players at a particular position. And if you do and you use a resource on that, you're going to miss out somewhere else and it's really going to weaken the team and you're going to compound the problem because you're going to put either money or picks into it and you're still not going to have the right answer," he said. "We have to find the right answers. We have to do things the right way. And I know sometimes that may not be what you want to hear but I think in the long run it's really going to serve us well."

A couple other highlights:

There has been some debate as to whether the Eagles will be looking for another option at nose tackle other than Bennie Logan. Roseman made it clear that the organization is high on the LSU product.

"When you first see Bennie, he's 6-1, but he has a frame that can easily withstand 320 pounds. He's got 34-inch arms. He's got really big hands. His wingspan is actually six inches bigger than his height," said Roseman. "We think Bennie did a tremendous job as a rookie. He's incredibly strong, he's athletic and he's got a very bright future."

-- As for Brandon Boykin, Roseman did not rule out the possibility that he would could compete for one of the outside spots, but stressed the importance of the nickel position and how well Boykin thrived in it last season. He also made it a point to call him arguably the best gunner in the NFL as well. Early odds are that Boykin stays in the slot and continues to play a key role on special teams.

 

 

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  • MediaMike

    If Bennie shows up at 320 and can still move; I’m fine with him at NT. If not, we need to get another guy there and keep Logan in a rotation from DE/NT.

  • JofreyRice

    Haven’t we been stop-gapping since 2008? Ugh, was feeling better about Roseman, but this kind of self-satisfied “we know what it takes to win a championship” horsesh#t reminds me of Banner’s banter. It’s called free agency, you pay a little more. Think of it as the premium for screwing up in the draft.

    Byrd, Ward, Whitner, Clemons, draft pick in 1st or 2nd. They need to make some kind of move to improve this position.

    • MediaMike

      I’m ok with stop-gap if we’re looking at Ha ha on this team after the draft.

      • Richard Colton

        At #22?…ehhh that’s a “C-” from me.

        • GEAGLE

          If Pryor and haha are on the board at 22, I’m picking up the phone, calling the Niners and Telling them to cough up those two second rounders so they can replace Whitner, Iike they replaced Goldson with Reid in the last draft…

          Niners would once again get a top two safety, and still have their first to draft a WR…

        • Adam

          I’m pretty sheepish on Bama DB’s.. Kirkpatrick, Barron and Milliner have been pretty meh in the NFL.

          • GEAGLE

            Wouldn’t touch a bama DB

      • GEAGLE

        Who would be the stop gap safeties? Pollard?
        ..
        Guys like Nate, Clemons,Jenkins, Mitchell are going to get long term deals…what would constitute as a stop gap safety in this market? Soap was a stop gap..bathea? I guess

        • MediaMike

          Pollard is a walking 15 yard penalty, fine, and suspension.

          • GEAGLE

            Yes ok…but what would constitute as a stop gap safety on this market?

          • MediaMike

            Marlin Jackson?

          • GEAGLE

            God..we shouldn’t be allowed to bring up his name..just another false Prophet lol…dude made Kenny Philips look healthy

          • Richard Colton

            Nate Allen

          • GEAGLE

            Nate is gonna get a 4yr deal no?

          • Richard Colton

            Team friendly? sure, why not? he hasn’t done enough to make himself a FA target in this market. What would you say he is…top 10…top 14 FA Safety?

          • GEAGLE

            So many teams need safety..I think Jenkins!Mitchell!Clemons!Nate are all getting 4-5yr deals…
            ..,
            There are lists that rate Nate much higher then we think..as in, higher than Whitner,,not sure how front Offices will rank this crop of safeties..

            What I do know is after Byrd and Ward sign Longterm deals! top safeties will all be signed Longterm (Berry and Earl won’t ever become free agents)..Weddle, Goldson, Chancellor…this is the last chance for a few years to get a top safety in free agency

    • Adam

      What exactly do you expect him to say? Of course he’s going to be coy with this. Why in the name of god would he come out and say “hell yeah, we’re gonna be aggressive and spend big in free agency. Especially at the safety position.”

      Here’s an artist conception of Byrd’s agent:

      • MediaMike

        Your picture cut off Dan Snyder.

        • Chris

          not 100% sure that ISN’T Dan Snyder

          • MediaMike

            Ha ha ha. What happens when Byrd’s agent says; “6 years / $60 million with a $30 million signing bonus” and Snyder says “where do I sign?”

          • GEAGLE

            Lucky for us, they are obsessed with signing Aqib Talib. add in the money they have to spend on Orakpo, and they won’t be able to pay Byrd. Talibs agent will have a field day wth Snyder

          • MediaMike

            Talib is a train wreck of a human being who’ll be out shooting people on the street the second he doesn’t have to worry about New England’s oversight.

          • GEAGLE

            And?…sounds exactly like someone I want to see the skins waste 40million on and let run around DC lol dude gets hurt everytime there is a playoff game. Won’t have to worry about that in DC :)

          • Tom W

            Exactly Howies point

      • JofreyRice

        I’ve been saying all along I’m hoping this is a smokescreen, and I realize that is probably the most likely possibility.

        That being said, it sounds very much like he is believing his own bullsh!t, and Tim has actually commented that Roseman seems very sincere when talking about their approach. I tend to put some weight into that.

        And we’re coming off a year when they actually practiced the batting average approach they’re preaching.

        Maybe Howie’s a good actor. I hope.

        • Adam

          I respects Tim’s opinion as much as the next, but I really doubt a Howie presser reveals much about the Eagles plans in FA and the big board.

          Even if they practice the batting average approach in FA, that absolutely doesn’t mean they don’t address the position in the draft.

          And this is just what Howie is saying. Does Chip or Gamble have any input on who gets brought in? I’d hope so.

          • NickS1

            Even Ichiro could change his swing to hit for power if he needed to.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah but Foxxy brown said “you can’t change a players game in the 9th inning”….

          • NickS1

            Luckily we’re just about to start the ball game

          • Adam

            Yep. I think Howie said enough for one side as he did the other. We focus on the stop gap part but skip over the ““That person has to be a special person on and off the field” part. Well, I would say Ward and Byrd and pretty special on the field. Off the field? Well I’m sure Chip would know better than most. I’m not ruling anything out.

          • MoreRecentTimes

            Great point about Chip knowing Ward and Bird. If we have any shot at either, it’s rooted inthat fact…

            Then I see a report that Pettine might like to bring Byrd to CLE, which would be bloody freaking brilliant. Imagine have both those guys along with Joe Haden?!?……… or Earl Boykin? ? ?

          • JofreyRice

            As the GM, I’d imagine he controls the overall strategy–whom to pursue, what kind of budgets to set for what positions, but honestly I really don’t know. I think Chip has the final say on players, but is it carte blanche? If he likes a guy does Howie just write the check? That seems unlikely.

            If they address the position with a 1st or second rounder, I’ll be satisfied. That’s a significant investment. However, I personally believe Safeties improve with NFL experience, and some pretty good ones will be available. Spending for one of those guys seems like a better allocation of resources than selecting a S with one of the top two picks out of necessity. Don’t you guys always say we should be BPA all the way, regardless of everything else? Having 1 starting caliber safety on the team precludes that philosophy, because you need 11 starters.

            Bringing in another team’s backup, an injury reclamation project, or rookie from past the third round doesn’t count as an earnest attempt to improve.

          • Adam

            I’m sure there is some sort of discussion between the 3 parties and it’s really not that black and white. It’s known that at the very least Chip sets the parameters on the type of guys that he wants, so I don’t think it’s that far fetched for him to inquire about certain players or positions he wants addressed, especially guys he might be familiar with like Ward and Byrd.

            It’s easy to say Byrd, Ward, Whiter, 1st round or 2nd rounder. But if the organization sees some 1st or 2nd day prospects that they love, and some desperate teams drive the price of Byrd up to something ridiculous then yeah you might have to settle for bring in someone that isn’t top tier and hope the draft falls in your favor.

            Why can’t BPA be affected by the teams needs? I don’t see why you couldn’t apply a modifier to your BPA rankings based on the current status of your roster. That’s not to say you would ever say “we need a safety so we need to pick one here” a la Jaiqwuan Jarrett, but I think it’s part of the Eagles equation. Look at the Lane pick last year. I definitely think the fact that we needed the upgrade RG and eventually LT was a big factor in that pick.

          • JofreyRice

            That philosophy is exactly what I think they employ, but it really flies in the face of “Best Player Available”. It’s not really “Best Player Available”, it’s “Best Player Available at a Position You Need, that Projects Well to Your Scheme”. The qualification of the term makes it meaningless and trivial–of course you want the best player available that will help your team, so does everyone else.

            Those that advocate pure BPA strategy usually mean to imply that need shouldn’t factor into the equation, that it can make you reach; but you gotta line up with 11 guys on each side to play the game, that fact doesn’t escape GMs–at least I hope it doesn’t.

            It’s actually part of the reason why philosophically, I don’t disagree with the Jarrett pick. That part of the decision was sound. The unsound part was the evaluation. Blindly swinging at guys in free agency like a pinata isn’t going to get the job done.

            Byrd, Ward, Whitner, Clemons, or 1st or second rounder. They have a bunch of options; really the only thing I, and many others, would be unhappy about, would be sitting on our hands and taking shots on bums again. I think expecting the team to improve a position we’ve all seen they’ve been lacking at is a reasonable expectation for any fan that wants to see the team turn into a serious contender.

          • RIP illa

            Clarification needed. You don’t disagree w/ the Jarrett pick or the fact that they used that pick for the position? Cuz that Jarrett pick was a major reach!!! We laughed (and I still laugh) at the Cowboys last year, but we did the exact same thing with Jarrett. Difference being the Cowboys got a player. I just find it really hard to think our FO didn’t know that it was a major reach. I think they knew, they just didn’t want to run the chance of him getting drafted before they got back to him, later on.
            But damn…a bean pole, knockout artist, with no speed and/or instinct, coming out of a weak college conference…I just don’t know and still SMDH!!! Really thought 4th or 5th round developmental guy all the way.

          • Adam

            Yeah I don’t really get that either. That entire draft (Watkins, Jarrett, Marsh, Matthews) was also all a prime example of why you don’t draft for solely for need.

          • RIP illa

            Yup. Not disagreeing. They still coulda drafted solely on need and came away w/ a substantially better haul. They just royally F’d up!

          • Adam

            Gonna have to agree to disagree on sound decision part. The Eagles picked a safety because they needed a safety. If it wasn’t Jarrett it was going to be someone, and there wasn’t a safety taken after Jarrett that has had much more success than he has. It was a complete reach and desperation point.

            There are two ends of the spectrum: drafting just for need. This is bad because you end it’s shortsighted and you end up with bad value for your pick.

            Pure BPA isn’t a good idea because that guy might not ever see the field. It doesn’t account for team needs, position scarcity or future picks.

            The middle ground between the two, leaning more towards BPA is what should be done.

          • Richard Colton

            Yea – no way of proving this, but I suspect Eagles took best available Safety in round two of the Jarrett draft, same way they took best available interior lineman in the Watkins draft.

            Institutional arrogance, IMO – they needed one guy to put them over the top.

          • JofreyRice

            They needed a Safety and drafted a guy they believed was a second rounder. I can’t fault them for that. Besides our own belief he was a complete reach, what proof do we have that they didn’t just do a bad job on the evaluation? Certainly, they seened to think Jarrett had some potential, they gave him every opportunity to win the job before finally giving up on him.

            BPA is really something practiced more after the 4th, IMO. You fill holes on your club in the top 100 or so.

  • GEAGLE

    Logan is the starter, no 350lbs will be added. Take that to the bank, just don’t shoot the messenger or the teller :)
    ..
    We aren’t adding any expensive FA. stopping the run is a strength, getting off the field on 3rd is a weakness…thus, if we add to the DL,it will be an interior pass rusher to rotate with Cox and Curry in our Nickle 4man line
    ..
    Logan,Ced and Cox is your starting line…fact

    • Chris

      i’m OK with it – loved what he brought to the table (esp as rookie), need to see a few more pounds added but he’s a hustler and he’s smart. Just hurt seeing us lose those 3rd and short plays, but that’s probably just because the NO game is the freshest. would be OK with adding late round NT in draft as backup/competition

      • GEAGLE

        They are going to have to fill that backup NT in the draft, because they won’t get anyone worth a damn to sign on to backup Logan and they want him in the starting lineup…
        ..
        So I’m hoping they add someone around 310 with long arms late in the draft and sign a DT pass rusher like Carrington for cheap. Once we get right at ROLB we would have a nasty front 7

        • Chris

          really would like to see Logan work out for the long haul..not too high of a pick, great character guy…all reports scream leadership/character/maturity. good young Dline to build around

          • Richard Colton

            Top of the 3rd round, you ought to get a starter. We just sat through too many years of Chris Gocongs and Daniel Te’os.
            Just wait till the line rolls out Cox/Nix/Logan next year. Our ILBs won’t have to do laundry.

          • MediaMike

            This doesn’t worry you at all if Logan doesn’t get bigger?

            http://chipwagon.typepad.com/eagles/2014/01/the-nose-in-the-coffin.html

            oops. Sorry, I misread your post. I dig it with Nix! I just didn’t want to ninja edit my original link / comment.

            I dig a Cox / Nix / Logan line!

          • GEAGLE

            No…a rookie getting handle in the playoffs by two ALL PRO interior linemen after anchoring one of the best run defenses in the league the last two months of the season? Shut down EVERY RB but the saints…I really don’t get why everyone is blowing this out of proportion,..but Yous all enjoyed our NT chasing QBs while being credible against the run all year…

            Why wouldn’t he get bigger or stronger? What rookie DL in the history of football didn’t get bigger and stronger?

          • MediaMike

            I’m still inflamed over the Saints sub par rushing attacking getting its first ever road playoff win in our house. Anybody associated with that (or rationalizing that loss) is subject to abuse.
            To be clear I like Logan a lot, but not at NT at his current weight.

          • Richard Colton

            I think he han get better at NT as well. They’re going to need more than three guys on that line.

          • MediaMike

            Yeah, Square / Geathers can be two better guys next year.

          • GEAGLE

            Ellis/Carrington/Kruger :)

          • MediaMike

            I’m dying to get a look at Kruger in pre-season games.

          • GEAGLE

            Your telling me…wish we would have played him last preseason…I really think he would have been a stud this year if he stayed at Utah, so hopefully he is more 4th round talent, then 7th round talent…

          • GEAGLE

            I understood fans last year Not being sold on FOles after his rookie year…but I Genuinly don’t understand how every single fan isn’t excited by what Logan did this year,,I just don’t get, I don’t see the other point of view. It should be obvious to EVERYONE what a future Logan has.. To each his own I guess, but Yous will come around. I have no doubts on this one

          • MediaMike

            I’m already sold on Logan as a great player at DE. I just like them a tad plumper and more stout at NT.

          • NickS1

            Don’t disagree, but his size allows for changing looks on the fly. Plus, not everyone is Wilfork.

          • MediaMike

            I’d love to find out what Nix is.

          • NickS1

            I’d be indifferent. If it got to the point that he’s the best player on the board at #22, I think I’d rather try to trade down and acquire another 2nd or 3rd. I wouldn’t throw my remote at the TV, though.

          • MediaMike

            Harris, Jon.

          • NickS1

            Let’s hope we never have to hear that name again

          • GEAGLE

            Like did anyone ever expect that freak to pan out? Makes McDougal look like the best pick ever

          • NickS1

            just ray rhodes

          • Tom W

            Torn meniscus no thank you. Justin Ellis okay

          • Tom W

            I’m amaZed and befuddled as well

          • RIP illa

            I don’t know why people just dismiss that article. I thought it was an excellent write up and did shows good solid examples of his weakness(s). I don’t think it went too far or had any outlandish statements. But I am writing this w/o re-reading it. Still, people act like that game was the 1st and only time that Logan has gotten blown off the ball. Sorry folks…happened during the regular season too and often enough for it to be noticeable. No one’s saying he can’t get better, but it would be stupid of the organization to just put all their money on the hope that he can get better, w/o bringing in any backup.

          • Chris

            agreed, SHOULD get a starter, but if he doesn’t make it in another year or two i’m not going to scream “bust” either…I guess maybe I am a little jaded by poor 3rd rd drafting recently. That’s just sad

          • RIP illa

            Change that to Ellis (later rounds) and I’m right there w/ u!!!
            :-)

          • GEAGLE

            Love him dying to know his hand size and arm length

          • RIP illa

            check the Senior Bowl rosters. Off the top of my head, I believe he’s 6’2 w/ short arms. Maybe like 32-33 inches. But he makes up for it with straight power (when he doesn’t come off the ball standing straight up) and speed and/or quickness and agility to get after the QB.

          • Richard Colton

            There are guys that think Ellis is a monster talent – a lot of us have him in the 5th rounds of their Birds wish list. I can see him going in the 3rd. And I hate him in that round. But yeah – I’d love to see us land him.

          • RIP illa

            Agreed. I do see to many flaws for him to be a 3rd, but you never know what teams will do. I can def see him being taken in the 4th. Think he’s better than and has more upside than McCullers, and McCullers was originally a 4h.

        • anon

          It’s that last sentence i’m worried about.

          • GEAGLE

            We will draft our OLB 100%…just can’t expect him to be a 3 down solution til 2015. Can’t tell you how bad I want us to pull a trump card and find a way to get Khalil Mack.,,sigh

  • Richard Colton

    I don’t want or expect Howie to make any definitive statements about Free Agency until after it’s over. What do we want the guy to say? “Get ready Eagles fans…its BYRD or BUST.” Then we end up bidding against ourselves.

    Jim Irsay’s entertaining, but I’ll take a GM who knows how to obfuscate.

    • Adam

      Exactly. Since when do we take the word of any person in management, be it sports or any industry, at face value?

      • GEAGLE

        You don’t expect Roseman to whip out a blank check that says safety on the bottom? :)
        ..
        No GM will tell you the truth this time of year

      • Richard Colton

        He didn’t rule out any particular strategy either. I’m with you. Don’t care what he says at all – but if its the end of May – and we didn’t make a serious move at Safety via trade, FA, or the draft…then I’m upset.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          A few million people will be upset with you. They can’t go into next year without major upgrades. The CBs are already stopgap players. You’re whole secondary can’t be stopgaps, or they’ll just fail to stop anybody

          • Richard Colton

            Seriously. Our only playmaker in the secondary is our Slot Corner. Brandon Graham for Earl Thomas is easy – would you (today) do Bennie Logan for Honey Badger? they were drafted around the same spot.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            NO.
            HB benefits from that whole defense, especially Peterson (on and off the field). He’s a very unique case.
            We would not have made the playoffs with Soap as our NT, and it would be one of our biggest needs presently

          • Richard Colton

            I agree. Although I’d really like to get some ballhawks in here. I’d be happier seeing them draft DB AFTER signing a top Safety, rather than drafting a DB as a knee jerk need.

          • BleedGreenJames

            But…. they stop the ‘gap’

            (⌐■_■)

    • FMWarner

      Agreed. Even if he’s telling the truth though, I don’t necessarily disagree. To me, that approach is the best leftover from the Banner/Reid era. Don’t overspend on free agents and use your cap space to lock up your young players. Now, admittedly that requires drafting well, but the last two years seem to indicate that the Eagles are starting to draft well again.

      Another related issue is that most Super Bowl teams of recent memory are exceptional on one side of the ball and meh on the other. The lesson is, “be really good at SOMETHING”. Keep this offense fed.

      • JofreyRice

        I think that’s a bit of a false binary. You can sign a good Safety that might cost big money, improving the defense AND improve the offense, too. In fact, taking care of S allows you to remove one of your big needs going into the draft, and stack weapons on offense, if you like.

        You need to be excellent on one side of the ball, sure, but you can’t completely neglect the other, or you end up looking like the upside-down Jets. The defense faced a lot of bad QBs during their stretch of competence.

        • anon

          Agree, best way to go BPA is not to have glaring needs going into the draft.

          • Adam

            Hence the “stop gap” term

        • green_intuition

          Long time reader, first time poster. I agree that you need to be dominant on one side of the ball and you can get away with being average/mediocre on the other side of the ball, but you need difference makers on the mediocre side of the ball.

          Look at Seattle. They were dominant on defense and had an offense that no one really fears but you had difference makers/playmakers at QB and RB

          • Richard Colton

            So Sports Illustrated said those “difference makers” would be Boykin, Thornton, and Graham. I’m willing to substitute Kendricks and Cox. Still – you OK with the starters we have on D?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            And Boykin only sees 50% of the defensive snaps in the secondary. If you’re gonna peg your nickel corner your playmaker in the secondary, you better play LOTS of nickel.

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    • Maggie

      Up vote for obfuscate on a football board!

  • cliff henny

    sal cap was just reported by Sheffie at 130m, that’s 7m more.

    • GEAGLE

      More money to pay midlevel FA and extend our not talented. Non probowl young players?

      • MediaMike

        Nope, more money to roll into the 2015 cap!

        • GEAGLE

          Awesome…how exciting…

      • anon

        I’m with you — those quotes made me want to cry for our defense. [Was going to say "cry for the D" but figured that'd be a bad move.]

    • Richard Colton

      More money to pay our future All Pro kicker. Henery is going to need a multi-year extension soon.

      • MediaMike

        That might get Howie jumped.

      • NickS1

        He should be signed through 2020 with every year guaranteed.

        • Richard Colton

          Only if you like facts

  • GEAGLE

    Love this front office but if they keep trying behind that “Brian Dawkins was special crap” I’m gonna snap…

  • 76mustang

    One thing about Chip, he has a plan in place, with several contingencies (package play for FA), teamed with Howie’s contract and cap knowledge, I expect to see an improved Eagles roster this season. The Byrd situation will be determined by Byrd’s motivation/priorities, and Chip’s take on integrating him and at what price.

    The draft is so intriguing and exciting this year – if Eagles hold true to best player available philosophy (100% agree with), it will be interesting to watch their board unfold. I hope we get at least one more weapon on offense (slot, #2 receiver, TE), and we get an edge rusher, DBs, ILB. If a stud OL falls to us in the early rounds, I would not be upset.

    • MediaMike

      I 100% agree with you that this roster will be improved going into next season. I have a lot of trust that they’re not going to let sentiment get in the way up upgrades.

    • anon

      How do you go BPA with such glaring needs at positions? I feel like just trying to survive through FA means you’re going to reach in the draft. Are we going to keep drafting late round secondary players and hoping we hit? Are we going to drop a first in the secondary — something that no one here really wants to see?

      • Tom W

        Very easily like we did last year

      • Adam

        Where did we reach in the draft last year?

  • RIP illa

    Am I the only one who’s gut feeling after reading this headline was Howie, you bastard!!!

    On a serious note, I don’t see how they still consider themselves aggressive and risk takers. The Kelly administration has yet to show or prove that and all the offseason talk from Roseman, has been leaning way toward the opposite.

    I guess it just is about how we all define stop gap. For me a stop gap is not being solid. It’s just one rung up from being a weakness, or less sever of a weakness. I get what he’s trying to say. The only thing that made me feel good, from this blurb session, is his unique situations quote. So there’s still a sliver of hope for us.

    • anon

      I think we saw “stop gap” in the secondary last year…

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I think the term last yr was “bridge the gap”. Which in both terms would mean find a guy to sign until you can draft or develop your own guy.

    • Maggie

      I think he was just answering questions without actually saying anything. Like Belichik, or even(gulp) AR, sometimes.

  • peteike

    Theres being cheap, and theres over paying. Middle ground doesnt always work sometimes you gotta roll the dice; risk/reward. We shall see what young Howie learned from Banner, the good and bad. Nothing worse then getting in playoffs and that weakness that would have cost a few extra mil costs the team. That being said, no one thing ever causes a loss but you get the idea. I think a lot of fans were upset at the conservative nature as we approached the playoffs and the D was improving everywhere but the back end.

    • GEAGLE

      Front load the hell out of a contract and let’s get a real UPGRADE!!!

      It’s pretty simple, we need to add ONE stinking safety who will be the most talented player in our secondary. If we want to succeed with Cary and Brad these next two years, we need a real PLAYMAKING TALENT at safety!!! If you want to keep skimping on safeties, then go get me two new corners. Someone in your secondary needs to be an above average talent

      • RIP illa

        Exactly!!! I’m still not opposed to getting new talent on the outside if we get a stud S. Just can wait longer for them to grow into the position and/or be drafted or aquired at better prices/value and take over in the future.

        • anon

          How much can you expect to get in the draft? Like REAL players on D? 2 in a good year?

          • RIP illa

            Deepest draft in a long time. So I’m thinking more than 2. Deepest WR class in a really long time, so I’m expecting not to have to spend high resources on one. And since we need very few day one starters…I honestly believe we can find our ROLB (to groom), our CB (to groom), a back up DT (at the most spending a 4th on, but more likely a Day 3 selection), and an S and WR (dependent on FA about how high we draft one or BPA). And I want us to get an MLB and G to groom. HA!!!
            Rush OLBs go 3 rounds deep this draft for quality. WR goes 4-5 rounds deep for quality. CB (Purifoy), my cutoff is round 3. and DT (Ellis) and G (Schofield) can all be gotten on Day 3 and we can still get quality. I give safety 2 rounds, but some say 3. I see Tre Boston as my dark horse in the 4th or 5th.Safety is most likely gonna bump heads with the ROLB, CB, and WR in rounds 1-3. MLB is the only spot that I have trouble with, cuz I want Jones, but I believe he’ll go in the 2nd round. Wish we had another pick in one of the rounds between 2-4, but we don’t. So on D, I’m expecting 3-4, and leaning toward 4, “Real” players.

            1) ROLB: Ealy or Ford (I won’t be mad w/ whatever position they take here tho. As long as the don’t pull a Jerry Jones)
            2) Safety: (if we only sign a stop gap) Bucannon (also not thrilled about it,
            3) CB: Purifoy (if he impresses at the combine, like he should, then he may go round 2 and I’ll look for another…right now that’s SJB or whoever falls out of round 1)
            4) WR: Martavius Bryant (who may not be there) Moncrief, Janis, or Huff.
            5) DT: Ellis (although I think he’ll likely go in the 4th) but there are a bunch of other guys who I can see contributing behind him)
            5)Schofield
            7) Let Howie do his magic but hopefully an injured Colvin falls that far.
            This is not even considering FA or Trading down and everything will change after the combine. And I got another scenario that makes sure we get Jones for MLB.

          • Tom W

            Dangerous to limit your position wants to one player … Better to do it in tiers …. And you won’t be as disappointed

          • RIP illa

            IKR. I got my tiers. Just waiting to finalize all my different scenario’s until after the combine.

            Edit: And I already typed so much.

          • RIP illa

            it was also dangerous for me to even like or covet any of these players, cuz that usually means they won’t be getting drafted by us. LOL

      • anon

        Cary and Brad? Stop gaps until we “draft” replacements. I understand what they’re trying to do but feel like it’s a little too conservative — they must REALLY trust their talent eval (despite the last 5 years of experience).

        • GEAGLE

          Don’t understand what you are asking…

          • anon

            No question. Frustration with the strategy.

          • GEAGLE

            Oh..gotcha..well we don’t have much choice. Rookie CBs suck, gotta draft and develop their replacements…they can be CBs on a top defense, but you have to compliment them with pass rush and safety talent…that’s what pisses me off about safety mess..a top safety is the short cut to a great defense…if you want to skimp on safety, then we will have to replace CBs…so pay for a damn safety, and pass rush so we can get away with starting Brad and Cary..it should be easier to get one good safety, then an average safety and two better CBs

            Frustrating!!

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Seems like they don’t have any urgency and are willing to take the time to do it the way they see best. I get that & agree to a point. But I feel the same as everyone else, we need a playmaker in the secondary that’s going to see more than 50% of the defensive snaps (aka Boykin). I don’t care if it’s CB or S. Safety just seems like the logical choice seeing how much of a mess it is right now & how little we have signed to the roster. You can’t draft strictly BPA on the board & as Anon stated, pluck secondary out of the mid-later rounds and hope they become greater than their draft position. If the plan is to significantly improve the CBs & have average safeties, ok then, but do it. If the plan is to have one guy at CB & one at S be premier talents, ok do it.

          Patrick Pederson, Earl Thomas. Had we selected them I think the conversations would be MUCH different right now & we’d be talking OLB, WR & OL. Not S, CB, OLB, WR & if we can find a stud in mid to late rounds OL.

          • anon

            That’s my whole issue with the strategy, we haven’t been great at drafting, especially in the secondary. Gotta know your strengths and your weaknessess. If you’re weak at evaluating secondary talent, buy it. If you draft DL, offensive players well, stick to that.

  • GEAGLE

    Saint might use the non exclusive tender on Jimmy. Which means you can control him and trade him. Or someone can sign him, but would have to give the saints two first rounders…too rich for my blood :)

    • MediaMike

      Or they can just sign him to slightly less than what Gronk got and move on. Hopefully they don’t look at Jimmy’s post season tape too closely.

      • GEAGLE

        How many more players do they have to cut to offer him what Gronk makes?

        • MediaMike

          Not too many considering the $7 gift that just popped up today from the cap Gods.

          • GEAGLE

            Ugh..right. I don’t like that sneaky cap shit. Liked it better when so many teams were broke

          • NickS1

            It’s 4, not 7. The projected cap was thought to be 126. Still, 4mil helps them.

        • UKEagle99

          Actually Gronks cap hit for the 1st 2 years was well under $3m each year, they gave him $8m signing bonus pro rated and about 500k salary… Saints can get a deal done with Jimmy even if they make him the best paid TE in the game. We have more money tied up at TE than the Saints will!!!!!

  • BleedGreenJames

    Chung did a lot last year to stop the gap between receivers and the endzone

    -_-

    • GEAGLE

      It’s too soon to laugh at how bad Chung was :)

      • anon

        Considering he’s currently our starting safety.

        • GEAGLE

          Don’t even utter such words! How insensitive are you?

          Hahahaha I can’t get over Chung hitting Cary in the back of the head, and you could X-Ray see thru Cary’s helmet that he turned around, looked at Chung like Wtf is wrong with you dude?

        • NickS1

          Booooooooooo

  • Tom W

    Honestly I completely respect what Howie said and believe he couldn’t be more black and white w his answer. I don’t see him hiding a thing. The A player wanting/getting A++ from the market is what Howie realize and possibly expects will happen for Byrd and ward if they aren’t franchised ….. So he isn’t saying he wouldn’t pay Byrd A player money (5 for 43 and 22 mil guaranteed) but the eagles cannot and will not nor do I want them to spend asshole or A++ money on Byrd or ward like the raiders or x team is going to have to do to get Byrd or ward to go to a shitty franchise (5 for 52 mil for 28 guaranteed). That’s an asshole price above market and what we can’t afford or otherwise we weaken ourselves at other positions and prevent ourselves from negotiating a team friendly deal w our drafted studs like foles cox Boykin Johnson Kendricks bc we just went out and paid above market for a 28 yr old safety. We need Byrd to leave some money on the table and come to his ole ball coach. Howie will see what the market is for him and see if it’s an asshole pricetag or not

  • mtn_green

    MOAR UPGRADEZ!!!

  • UKEagle99

    With the combine upon us and the 2014 draft firmly in mind I thought I would stick pins in my eyes and have a look back through our last 4 draft classes and also review the front office in so far as what has changed. I apologise in advance for the wincing and grimacing that years 2010 & 2011 will no doubt bring.

    The major changes between these two ‘eras’ are;

    1) Banner gone, Roseman promoted
    2) Grigson gone, 2 Toms Donahoe & later Gamble replaced him
    3) Rick Mueller hired as Player Personnel Executive

    When you look at it like this the difference is night and day.

    2010/11 Front Office
    Chairman/CEO – Jeffrey Lurie
    President – Joe Banner
    General Manager – Howie Roseman
    Director of Player Personnel – Ryan Grigson
    Director of Pro Personnel – Louis Riddick
    Assistant Director of College Scouting – Anthony Patch
    Head Coach/Executive Vice President of Football Operations – Andy Reid

    Drafted 2010 | 2011
    1st, Graham DE | Watkins G
    2nd, Allen S | Jarrett S
    3rd, Te-o-Neshiem DE | Marsh CB
    4th, Lindley CB, Clayton OLB, Kafka QB, Harbor TE | Matthews TO*, Henery K
    5th, Sapp DE, Cooper WR | Lewis RB, Vandervelde G
    6th, Scott RB | Kelce C, Rolle LB
    7th, Chaney LB, Owens DT, Coleman S | Lloyd Jr LB, Havili FB
    *TO = Talentless One

    2012/2013 Front office
    Chairman/CEO – Jeffrey Lurie
    President – Don Smolenski
    General Manager – Howie Roseman
    Senior Football Advisor – Tom Donahoe | Tom Gamble
    Director of Pro Personnel – Louis Riddick
    Assistant Director of Pro Scouting – Ed Marynowitz
    Director of College Scouting – Anthony Patch
    Player Personnel Executive – Rick Mueller
    Head Coach – Andy Reid | Chip Kelly

    Drafted 2012 | 2013
    1st, Cox DT | Johnson OT
    2nd, Kendricks LB, Curry DE | Ertz TE
    3rd, Foles QB | Logan DT
    4th, Boyking CB | Barkley QB
    5th, Kelly OT | Wolff S
    6th, McNutt WR, Washington OG | None
    7th, Brown RB | Kruger DE, Poyer CB, King DT

    The 2010/11 drafts produced 2 starter calibre players (Allen, OK I may be being generous & Cooper, maybe 3 if you count Graham) and 2 to 3 backups (Marsh, Coleman, Graham).

    The 2012/2013 Drafts have so far netted us 6 maybe 7 starters (Cox, Johnson, Kendricks, Foles, Logan, Boyking (yes I am counting him as a starter), Wolff(?) and 4 solid backups, *1 of which is heir apparant to a starting role (Curry, Etrz*, Kelly, Brown). Jury is still out on Barkley, Kruger but they remain on the team, something 3rd rounder T’eo didn’t accomplish.

    On a 53 man roster the last 2 draft classes account for 21% of the team, that’s a good ratio.

    Until they prove me wrong, I have a lot of faith in these guys to “put us in a better position to win”. That said it is glaringly obvious we need moves at safety above and beyond any other position. We could make do at OLB (yes ideally we want an heir to Cole and a general upgrade/depth) but not at safety, we need talent!

  • Token

    Why does that sound like a stop-gap? It sounds like hes saying if Byrd is out there we are gonna go for him.

  • myeaglescantwin

    there are TANK nose tackles that can be grabbed in the later rounds..
    when you’re looking for a 2 down DL, you don’t use a 1st rounder on it.

  • DEBO 215

    TJ fucking Ward HOWIE!

  • Token

    Cant believe they would just chop the head of the development of a potential young stud corner just so Cary Williams and Bradley Fletcher can play.

    Under contract for two more years. Guess you just enjoy him for these two seasons. Cuz hes gone after that. Wouldnt be shocked if he starts opening his mouth sometime this season. He kind of said in a nice way he wants to start outside last year. You can only play good soldier for so long. If im him and looking at whose in front of me getting all my snaps I would probably question it too.