Wake-Up Call: Why the Vets Bought In

NFL: Philadelphia Eagles at Minnesota Vikings
Once the 2013 season was a wrap, Chip Kelly thanked his players for taking a chance on a rookie coach.

“He was just proud of his guys and just appreciative of everyone buying into his program,” said Eagles receiver/special teamer Brad Smith, via SI.com. “A lot of people didn’t know if it would work — a college coach coming into the NFL and how guys would respond and how they would respect him.”

It wasn’t so hard generating that level of respect in the latter stages of the season when the Eagles captured seven of eight to win the NFC East. It was early on, around the time that Philly was 1-3 and then 3-5, that could have presented problems. There were skeptics inside the locker room for sure, but the majority of players were on board despite the sub-.500 record.


Smith did not join the team until November, but it didn't take him long to figure out why the veterans bought in.

"What's different about Coach Kelly is his approach with the science and it's backed up, there's history behind it and it's worked," said Smith, who led the team with eight special teams tackles after joining the team in Week 11.  "Guys who have been in the league a while, all it is, people have done the same thing over and over again. But something new, something fresh and something that can actually make you feel better and help you perform, guys just love that."

Several vets noted towards the end of the season that they had never felt this good, this late, in their entire careers. That played a big part in securing the hearts and minds within the Eagles locker room.

While the training regimen was on the cutting edge, those who were looking for Kelly to totally turn the sport on its head from an X's and O's standpoint may have been a little disappointed. Is it possible, Smith was asked, that Kelly was being a little conservative in his first season?

"What he does and what he draws up is definitely not normal and his thought process is unbelievable," he said. "I think he has a lot more in there that he is going to bring out."

WHAT YOU MISSED

One exec says Michael Vick "could be a very good bridge starter for two to three years."

The Eagles signed receiver/special teamer Joe Anderson on Friday.

A couple notes on the Jets' reported interest in Jeremy Maclin.

Our offseason outlook series concludes with a piece on the safeties.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

A landmark moment in professional sports occurred Sunday when NFL draft prospect Michael Sam from the University of Missouri  announced that he is gay.

Connor Barwin was one of many to offer his support.

Peter King believes the Eagles may be one organization that would not shy away from drafting Sam.

It could be that a liberal owner and progressive coach like Jeffrey Lurie and Chip Kelly of the Eagles will not care at all, and if he’s there in the fourth or fifth round will grab him.

Tommy Lawlor on Bennie Logan's role moving forward.

I think Logan will get better as he bulks up and gets more experience. My guess is that some of the desire for a new NT comes from the poor run defense in the Saints game. I re-watched Logan from that game and didn’t think he was a huge problem. In fact, I thought he played pretty well for parts of the game. The Saints went off-tackle for most of their key runs. The Eagles run defense was pretty darn good for the last couple of months of the season. Two games where the team was lit up were OAK and WAS. Both teams benefited from running QBs. RG3 went for 44 yards and Terrelle Pryor went for 94.

I also think people are thinking of the old school NTs when judging Logan. The huge guys are gone. Most NTs are reasonably sized these days. If Logan bulks up to 320, that should give him enough bulk to anchor against the run.

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  • anon

    As I said in last post we’re probably the best place for Sam. Wonder if eagles talked to him at the senior bowl.

    • Eagles4Life

      Doubt it…

    • cliff henny

      http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10429030/michael-sam-missouri-tigers-says-gay
      .
      “I endured so much in my past: seeing my older brother killed from a gunshot wound, not knowing that my oldest sister died when she was a baby and I never got the chance to meet her. My second oldest brother went missing in 1998, and me and my little sister were the last ones to see him … my other two brothers have been in and out of jail since 8th grade, currently both in jail.
      .
      this guy has seen and been thru more than most or anyone should ever have too. that’s probably the watered down crib-notes on his life, too. cant even imagine what his day to day life was like as a child. he might have some issues w/ league, but teammates knowing his story, i doubt it. might be 1 or 2 behind scenes that make offhand comments but nothing this guy cant handle. if he can play at a high level, happily take him as an Eagle.

      • NickS1

        Thanks for the link. Was going to ask you for that on the other thread.
        Odds we end up with this kid in the 5th?

        • cliff henny

          feel like he’s more in the graham model, than the type of olbrs Eagles want. 6’2 260, played mostly d-end, high energy chase down sack/disruptor type. maybe some guys who are way more into scouting have more info, but never thought of him as a good fit. he’s been holding steady as a 3-4 rdr on cbsdraft most of the year, so been looking at other guys.

          • NickS1

            Ah, thought he was a OLB, not a DE. No more BGs.

          • cliff henny

            that DE vs OLB listing has to taken with grain of salt. or, least on cbsdraft. ealy, ford, murphy, jeffcoat and smith are all listed as DEs, and certainly alot see them as OLBs.

          • NickS1

            That’s true. I’m sure the combine will help figure that out as well.

          • Papa

            I’d say that’s a fair comparison. From what I seen he struggled a little during the senior bowl as an OLB but it can be expected since he was a DE his whole career. 9 of his sacks came in 3 gms with 3 a piece. Like I said I think how he tests at the combine will go a long way but I could see him dropping and just like Barkley the value will outweigh all concerns. I think the eagles would lucky to have him because he will have the motivation to succeed and it could solidify the locker room along with team chemistry. A band of brotherhood defending him on the field against ignorant pricks.

          • RIP illa

            Agreed w/ most. Except that they never tried him at OLB during he senior bowl from what I can remember. He struggled at DE, which was most concerning since that’s his original spot. Plus OLBs at games like the senior bowl are run out of 4-3 defenses. So while the switch to that position can give some insight as to whether he can stand up or not, pertaining to coverage and how comfortable a player can look in zone…it’s really different from the position out of the 3-4.

          • anon

            We handled Riley Cooper pretty well.

          • dislikedisqus

            Good insights thanks. But I think a lot of the negativity toward BG is due to him being a 1st rounder. Had he been a 4th or 5th rounder, we would all be less critical.

          • RIP illa

            100%. Liked him after the season even tho he was a graham type. Saw his ceiling as being comparable to Cole. You could always use a guy like that on your team who isn’t a 1st round pick or cost 5-6 mil. Senior Bowl week hurt him for sure. He was expected to be way better than he showed, unfortunately, he was way worse. Right now he’s a 4th w/ a chance to move up to 3rd, depending on the combine.

            I personally don’t believe the unnamed execs when they say that NFL locker rooms aren’t ready for a gay player. Not all of these guys are stuck in the 50′s and 60′s. They’re coming up in the same times we are, and I do think majority of people are not opposed or just don’t care about who’s gay or not!!! However if this does hurt his draft stock, then I would love for us to get him at any point on day 3.

            I know the overwhelming majority of us couldn’t care less about his sexual preference…only wether the kid can play ball. And he can do exactly that!!! He’s a good football player and would be a steal that late in the draft.

          • Tom W

            exactly. Too short. got owned at senior bowl.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          I could see it, if we go WR and maybe DB early. The kid has character in spades, I can’t imagine this turning off Lurie or Kelly. I mean, we did sign Vick. I’d say that was more controversial.

          the whole article, and his ability to advocate for himself, is incredible for someone so young. It’s a testament to his character that the team went all season knowing this, yet this is the first we all hear. Speaks to the respect he commands.

          • Andy124

            Gotta be more of a selling point than a deterrent imo.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Just look to the internet and some comments from nfl scouts, execs, and media. Unfortunately some of these fools still live in the stone age

          • Andy124

            Totally agree. I was referring specifically to Lurie though.

          • anon

            It’s football — you can’t really be surprised. Look at this John Martin thing — and he’s not even gay, just soft.

          • Andy124

            Heck, just look at the way this was worded, “just soft” as though gay is worse that soft.

            The way I see it, there’s probably going to be significant peer pressure to accept him in the locker room. Those that have an issue will keep quiet at first. At that point, if the kids plays well and makes a good accounting of himself, it’ll be smooth sailing.

            If he struggles on the field or is socially awkard, biggots may find excuses to make life more difficult for him.

          • anon

            Yes, in football lockerooms i think gay is perceived as “worse” than soft (maybe people think being soft is symptomatic of being gay) though in real life i think the opposite is true (i’d rather have a gay friend than a friend that wouldn’t stand up for himself).

            It does seem like he’s got a good head about him. The lockeroom situation could go both ways, could be like nmandi where he just doesn’t get integrated on team, if not partly b/c everyone is working with kid gloves, or maybe opposite is true — fit is important.

          • RIP illa

            I don’t think you can compare the Martin thing to Sam. Martin’s soft cuz he played like it, got demoted, so to speak, quit on his team, and made up some BS while selling out his friend and teammate. That’s too much for anyone to have a opinion other than him being a bitch. Sam is just gay. And as long as he goes out and plays football and proves himself, like all rookies have to, then I don’t see him every being labeled as soft…unless he plays like it. Of course he’s going to have to deal w/ the getting teased and hazed, as any rookie does, and yes he’ll get ribbed for being gay. But that’s only cuz that’s the thing that’s different about him. Everyone get’s picked on for their differences. But I believe it won’t be any malice behind it. If he takes that in stride and does the aforementioned, then I believe he’ll be fine.

          • Andy124

            As long as he doesn’t get “excited” in the shower. lol

          • RIP illa

            Lol. Forgot about that one! I seriously wonder (the answer probably being yes) if anyone would throw a fit over that?! For the person(s) that does…it’s like serious, grow the F up!!!

            Edit: it would make for endless dropping the soap jokes tho. :-)

          • Andy124

            Not to spoil the lolz, but it’s the NFL, I’ll bet they spring for private shower stalls.

      • anon

        Any luck finding football video of him? Figured SEC Co-POTY would have some cut ups or something but i can’t find anything worthwhile. 11.5 sacks though.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      According to Kempski, who tallied the whole list, we didn’t talk to Sam

    • AZ_Eaglesfan

      Not even close. He fits as a 4-3 DE only IMO. He needs to have his hand in the ground.

      But go ahead, make more assumptions based off the fact that he said he was gay, because no one on this board would even be slightly interested in Sam if this hadn’t happened.

      • Andy124

        I think he may have been referring specifically to the cultural, locker room fit, not the football fit. And I’m not sure it’s unanimous that he’s strictly a 4-3 DE, though that seems to be the majority opinion today.

        • RIP illa

          It’s pretty much unanimous throughout the draft community. That doesn’t stop coaches from trying to convert tho. If you’re going to try and convert a hand in the dirt guy to a stand up guy, the keys are to make sure the athleticism is there and to do it when they’re 1st starting out. Or you end up w/ results like Graham and Cole.

          • Andy124

            When I say “strictly a 4-3 DE” I mean no potentiallack of athleticism to convert. Personally, I haven’t a clue what he can do.

            Some seem to want to wait and gather more information before forming a strong opinion (what a novel concept) and others seem to think that if you haven’t already studied all of his game tape and carved his limitations in to a stone tablet you are a lesser form of life. lol.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol well put

          • RIP illa

            Ahh. I see now. Ok got it.
            2nd paragraph…perfect!!!

          • GEAGLE

            That dude was Wild lol…sometimes I think i might miss Dutch, and then a tool emerges and reminds me what I’m “missing” lol

            Im not even sure what just happened lol. I managed to get into argument over a prospect I stated that I know nothing about and I’m in no position to debate right now lol…it takes SKILL to find an argument out of nothing :)

          • Andy124

            I still don’t think he left because of Foles and ridicule. I think he lost his computer privileges at the nursing home when one
            of the nursing attendants saw his posts here and convinced the doctors he was suffering from narcissistic delusions and a psychotic break with reality and that this blog was making it worse.

            Wait, didn’t somebody just say something about being rude on the webz? Oh well. lol

          • RIP illa

            Yeah. I don’t know. Just a bunch of blanket statements and not much to back them up other than the mantra, along w/ a blatant hatered for Sam or anybody that might be intrigued by him.seriously funny guy. I’ll miss him just like I miss dutch!!! Makes it entertaining at least. I think we just witnessed a meltdown…over Michael Sam??? Weird!!! I mean he has his points and some are valid, but to completely disregard valid counterpoints, due to some misplaced hatered, even though they both sides have already been discussed in the thread…smh. And then to throw a bitch fit on top of it. And I think he felt like just coming at you just because. Oh well.

          • GEAGLE

            You think he was a resent scorned jilted Lover of Sam? Sources just told me: He was dating Sam for a few months, Sam kicked him to the curb, and he has been obsessively stalking him, trying to get him to take him back even threatening to “out him” if he continued to deprive him of his love..Sam launched a pre emotive strike announcing it to the world and now, the unstable, jilted ex lover just suffers a meltdown? E true Hollywood story..
            ….
            I need to stop before I go to far and force this kid to meltdown alone in some dark room listening to john Legends “we are ordinary people” while adding an old jock strap to his Micheal Sam shrine…cutting out those creepy letters “TheycallmeRob” made famous…

      • anon

        Def mean lockerroom wise. He had 11.5 sacks co-player of the year in the SEC and roto listed him as an OLB — as i mentioned before there’s no video of him (which is a little weird).

        But considering that many think him being gay will drop him in the draft thought i’d be a great value pick. But keep going since you had me all figured out.

        • AZ_Eaglesfan

          He is a 4-3 DE. Go watch him play. He has almost no versatility in coverage and he is not good with lateral movement.

          He has a decent burst at the POC, and he is fine at setting the edge, but he is more of an effort pass rusher who lacks good dip/bend.

          And you said that the Eagles would be the best place for Sam, even though we aren’t even a scheme fit. So yeah, I got you figured out.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah you’re, if you go watch him play, you can see that he’s strictly a 4-3 DE. Cuz that’s all Mizzou lined him up at since they run a 4-3.

          • AZ_Eaglesfan

            I explained he was a 4-3 DE because he has no coverage skills and he has poor lateral movement… Also, he is short, has the wrong body type, and lacks a true speed rush.

            “But the Eagles should take him and see what he can do!!!!”

            Probably never going to post here again, I can’t believe how terribly misinformed some of you are.

          • GEAGLE

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA I like this kid…please post again

          • AZ_Eaglesfan

            And you are probably the main reason I won’t post here again. I have read your stuff before and it is honestly kind of sad. Try actually learning about the sport of football before you proclaim yourself some king over a stupid little football board.

            Or continue to dwell in your ignorance, I don’t care either way.

          • GEAGLE

            Did you really think I was going to read more of your petty drama? Awww sweetie, I’m sorry. Now you making me feel bad. You get an E for effort and goldstar. I literally have no idea what you just wrote, swear didn’t get passed the 3rd word lol but you are welcome to try again…sorry, but I can’t let every fools BS into my brain space :)

          • Michael Deen

            It is this type of response though that makes it so he’s getting the reaction he desires. Instead of placating him with a snarky response about about how “You didn’t even read his petty drama”, not even responding would probably get his goat even more. Come on duder – I would think most of us appreciate your posts (I certainly appreciate your passion and opinions albeit the novellas and redundancy can be a bit much) – but why waste the time on someone like that or all the others out there who seem to love your reactions to stupid off hand comments more than the content of what you have said…

          • Maury Povich

            AZ_Eaglesfan and GEAGLE are the same person. At the very least identical twins seperated at birth.

          • RIP illa

            Bye then!!! You explained that he was 4-3 DE cuz of poor movement and coverage skills…right…agreed. But how bout cuz THEY ONLY RUN A 4-3 ALSO!!! Therefore no one has ever lined him up as a 3-4 OLB!!! Smh!!! Could he not make the transition…absolutely. However if we saw Cole make the transition under his circumstances, then it’s not out of the realm of probability. Furthermore…him being a good VALUE pick for us, totally hinges I whether his coming out hurts his draft stock making him a DAY 3 PICK!!! You’re acting like we’re now treating him as a must get player!!! No dude is a good football player…PERIOD. If we can get a guy like him late and to add depth, then as a team we should not just dismiss it.

            Richardson wasn’t there last year and he still produced. Ealy, who I love, was still learning how to play the game the whole time he was there and put up a whopping 12.5 sacks in 3 years w/ 8 sacks this year, being his breakout year!!! As much as I love him…he’s still raw and is all upside and ceiling right now. Anyway…Bye!!!

          • AZ_Eaglesfan

            LOL. You have no clue how far you just went to proving how little you actually know about the sport of football.

            Thanks for giving me an ego boost today, at least I know I am smarter then someone today.

          • RIP illa

            No problem and you’re welcome. Here’s something else to help w/ that ego boost, since you obviously need it…
            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f4pEliC7vQo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Df4pEliC7vQo

          • GEAGLE

            Aldon smith seemed to figure it ou

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Probably never going to post here again, I can’t believe how terribly misinformed some of you are.

            we’ll be so sad to see you go

          • cliff henny

            shoot, i will…he did damn near the impossible, got RIP illa and Johnny Geagle to agree on something…happened to be their dislike of AZ, but hey, they agreed

          • RIP illa

            Lmao.

      • RIP illa

        Blanket statement…completely wrong!!! And if the interest is increased, meaning that is was never not there before, that’s because this could make him fall further which could make him a great value pick!!! The kid has production and tape to justify any interest from a number of teams looking for pass rush depth, at a value. Including us. Not ideal in size, but he can’t be written off completely until after the combine, and still that may not write him off completely.

        “No…I’d rather have Josh Kaddu and Travis Long over a Graham/Cole type!!!”. Come on man. It may play out like that depending on the Eagles board, but at a day 3 value…it’s hard to argue against Sam.

        • GEAGLE

          Curious to see how his combine compares to Bruce Irvin

          • AZ_Eaglesfan

            You guys have me rolling right now… lol.

            Comparing Bruce Irvin to Michael Sam, there probably couldn’t be two more different kinds of pass rushers.

          • GEAGLE

            First of all, I haven’t even begun to discuss the kids game, so I’m not exactly sure why your cunty remark is aimed at me but whatever…secondly, combine doesn’t measure a players GAME, it compares and contrasts athletic ability, so I’m not exactly sure why you felt the need to respond to my simple innocent comment but whatever,..it’s not uncommon for NFL to look at a prospects, see his athletic ability, and use him in a drastically different way then his college team used him, so again, I don’t get why you are so offended by Comment,not sure why it’s a crime for me to want to see how Sam compares athletically to a former undersized player, who is being moved around in different roles…Irvin is a WLB right now, he isn’t even being used as a pass rusher, but whatever

          • AZ_Eaglesfan

            I am not offended, I just am a daily reader of this board, and I get tired of reading terribly misinformed posts by a lot of people her. Do some research and actually try and know what you are talking about before just comparing two players that have literally nothing beyond position in common.

            Posting a bunch of crap and hoping something sticks is not the way to learn more about the Philadelphia Eagles.

          • GEAGLE

            Hahahahaha please buddy. I’m the wrong person to be making those statements to…and I haven’t talked about his game yet in any capacity, so I don’t get what the point of your statements are right now……two short players, one an amazing athlete…wtf is bad about being curious about seeing how far away Sam is athletically? No where did I talk about any expectation of them being similar players or athletes…haven’t even put in the work yet to even discuss Micheal SAM…so you can take your cunty BS elsewhere. Thank you

          • Andy124

            You guys have me trolling right now… lol.
            FTFY

          • RIP illa

            It won’t be anything near it. Irvin is a freak athlete w/ serious speed. Sam is not. Don’t look for that.

          • GEAGLE

            When it say compare, doesn’t automatically mean they are close in ability…Compare is also a way of seeing how far away he is from being a certain type….I’m not up to speed with Sam at all, so I’m not making statements on his game one way or the other…I’m up to speed on Kony Ealys film, but I haven’t even began to watch Sam yet…but I will…you know I have no problem not talking about a prospect when I haven’t put in the work yet to speak on him…I am not up to speed to be debating this prospect right now

          • RIP illa

            Ok. Gotcha now.

        • AZ_Eaglesfan

          Yeah, no. You clearly haven’t seen him play one down of football. Sam benefited from playing on one of the best DL’s in college football the past two years. Sheldon Richardson and Kony Ealy are the two studs that he should be thanking for his production.

          And again, he doesn’t fit our scheme. So why even bring him in?

      • George

        he’s too similar to cole for me to want him

    • Ark87

      Ownership and Organization are perfect.
      Coaching staff is all about equal opportunity, you make the team or get cut based on what happens on the field.
      Locker room- that I’m not totally sure of. It’s a good group, and I think they would be tolerant, no hazing/ bullying BS. Not to mention there is good leadership from the top, down. Now that might get challenged if PA was about to put a vote to a Gay Marriage law, as I’m sure there would be passionate and vocal people on both sides in that locker room. But frankly, that would probably be true, with or without the presence of Sam.

      The City- People say what they will about Philly, but we don’t give 2 craps about your personal life. Your legacy in Philly will be made on the football field, that’s it. Riley Cooper? Mike Vick? Every true Eagles fan I know has a passionate opinion on both guys, but it’s all about the football field.

      It all comes down to if Sam fits in the scheme. Howie,Chip, Coach Azz and Bill Davis will be the judges of that.

      • GEAGLE

        Owner, coaches, locker room are fine….it’s our joke of a circus media that would be the issue. It would be all Les Bowan ever talks about

        • Ark87

          I’m more concerned about the non-football media. Philly football beat writers, if they want to stir shit, they will find something to stir. I’d be more concerned with non-football people coming in with a political angle to work, and it’d be coming from both sides.

        • Tom W

          I’m already annoyed how much attention its getting. it will be a circus w our joke media. Beyond that he is too short and stubby and would be another project bc he hasn’t been asked to rush in a two point stance in college or drop in zone let alone cover anyone. he also is one of those one year wonder guys that we are suppose to be weary of. 5th rd though i would be interested.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude…I just watched ESPN for an hour and I hear the words “gay football player” like 600 times.already want to rip my hair out, how can this be such earth stopping news in 2014? Like who even cares? It was interesting for the first 5 minutes…

          • Ark87

            Everything is Earth stopping in the off season. If I were him I would drop that news on the day before the Superbowl. Get it out there, but people wouldn’t lose their crap over it, other stuff to obsess over.

          • RIP illa

            Just like when a bunch of gay athletes were supposed to come out all at once, a couple of months back. Couldn’t stand the coverage that got. How can someone be truly accepted when all media like ESPN make it such a spectical!!! If it needs to be reported at all, then just do so and move on!

          • GEAGLE

            So true….the crazy part, is I don’t really think NFL players, or fans care…it’s ONLY a big deal to the media. If he can get 15 sack a year then I want him…if he can’t, I don’t…..who he is attracted to, how the hell does that concern anyone…

    • Tom W

      Too short to play 3-4 d end … hasn’t shown athletic ability to drop into coverage. Also too short for Chip at olb.

  • Token

    “The Saints went off-tackle for most of their key runs.” How the hell did that happen when you have the two best run defending edge setting OLBs to play the game?

    • NickS1

      Were stuck in nickel playing the pass a lot of the time.

      • Token

        Stuck in nickel? Why? We have been over this before. But theres no reason they should have felt the need to stay in nickel. It was clear from the start the Saints planned to run the ball against us. And we did nothing to change that. So you can place some blame on Davis.

        But the fact is that Cole was out there SETTING THE EDGE! He sets it like nobodies business.

        • evanphilly

          Game is over. Move on.

          • Token

            Yea I know im just kidding around. You guys are so sensitive about Cole.

  • evanphilly

    He backed it up with science!

    • Andy124

      Weird Science?

    • EaglefaninAZ

      Upvote for the Thomas Dolby reference. Lol

  • Kev_H

    Sam’s a marginal prospect but probably moved up on the Eagles’ draft board if Lurie has anything to do with it. I don’t think it is a big deal in any locker room. The only thing I’d be wary of is if he is a social cause celebre’ would there be non-football pressure not to cut him (if that is what was merited)? If there is the appearance that he has a roster spot as a token, that could tear a locker room apart.

    Hopefully, the Eagles will go with straight football concerns and if that’s the case, Sams doesn’t fit the “big people beat up little people” mold, at least as a position player. I do hear that he has good special teams potential.

    • Token

      Lurie lives for this kind of thing. He doesnt fit at all. But dont be surprised if hes our 3rd or 4th round pick. Lurie will want to take him a little early just to show how progressive he is.

      • AZ_Eaglesfan

        So now we think the owner has an actual say in the draft room?

        Not a chance. Lurie won’t even be able to voice his opinion when Howie, Chip, and Tom are working on this years draft. He hired them to do the job, Lurie is not Jerry Jones.

  • dislikedisqus

    1) Sam shows major mental toughness in coming out, which elevates his draft ranking in my mind.

    2) realistically, only an elite org with a stable HC should take him on. The media distraction will be too much for a weak org or one with an HC worrying about getting fired.

    • anon

      Is it mental toughness? I guess maybe he wants to make sure he doesn’t get drafted into a bad environment, but i’d stay quiet till i got drafted.

      • jabostick

        His college teammates knew. It would’ve got out pre-draft eventually. better to get ahead of the story and be able to rep yourself at the combine/interviews than have the story spread via anonymous sources

        • anon

          I think you are right about that.

    • Ark87

      as you mentioned in #2, it’ll be tough. He’d bring a lot of attention for non-football reasons. Paragon to masses, despised by masses, the whole 9. I feel like Michael Sam:Gay is to Tim Tebow:Christian. I think both guys need to be able to be left alone and just play football. Let their reputations be earned on the field, not their (completely legal) personal lives. Of course that’s not how it works, and that’s unfortunate for people playing in a team sport.

      • anon

        Tebow fed into that even more — i’d bet the percentage of really religious people in football is probably pretty high.

        • Ark87

          definitely true, Tebow embraced it, big time. Avant is probably as religious as Tebow, but he isn’t trying to be the spokesman for Christianity.

          • anon

            However, he did have the best SB commercials — those t-mobile spots were great.

    • GEAGLE

      What I’m about to write isn’t to bash the kid, or to suggest that he isn’t mentally tough or that coming out didn’t take guts…I’m just stating the reality of it:
      .
      A first I thought “wow, this kid is showing some serious strength of Charecter”, but then I got up to speed on the situation. This is NOT a KNOCK on him in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER, but the reality of the situation is he came out to his team in August, and many scouts already knew about this and with the combine coming up it was going to be leaked, and he did the smart thing and got in front of the story so the world could hear it from his mouth first

      • Token

        Ok?

        Was coming out to his team not hard?

        • GEAGLE

          Go away…apparently you didn’t read the post directly under this one…not in the mood for you worthlessness. And I damn sure have no patience for fools trying to twist my comments around…I despise that this kid is going to have to deal with all the crap that’s going to come his way. I hate it, I hate empowering this story. This is a good kid, a good football player, it’s one of my favorite times of year(combine) and I find it SAD and DISGUSTING that as a society, this kid has to even answer questions about who he is attracted to. This is a stressful Time for prospects. they are busting their ass off to perform at combined and market themselves…I really feel for the kid that has to deal with this crap right now when he should be concentrated on making an impression at the combine. It just rubs me the wrong way that in 2014 this still matters and that this young man has to go through this crap, I think it’s sad For him and us as a people, that no matter what sports channel we tune into, all we will hear is people talking about Sam and who he is attracted to. it’s ridiculous…it’s not even news…I think “reporters” who spend their limited access asking him questions about his sexual orientation, should 100% have their media access credentials revoked…
          ,..
          This kid will have enough questions to answer about his tweener status, and lack of size, he will have to bust his butt to prove to teams that they shouldn’t hold his size against him, and I find it despicable that on top of all that, he will have this irrelevant topic to deal with…I hate it, and I feel for the kid

      • GEAGLE

        That’s not to say it didn’t take guts or that he isn’t mentally tough, it’s just the dynamics aren’t what I thought they were originally, and that’s fine…still NOT something that’s easy to do, still the kid didn’t do anything,WRONG. And he played his card the best was he could…

        I find it sad that one of my favorite weeks is here, combine time, and now I’m going to have to spend the week hearing about who some kid is sexually attracted to, as if it matters.

        One thing I want to talk about is, some people are going to look at his SEC player of nthe year falling to like the 3rd and 4th round, over react and try to make it about his sexual orientation, which is complete BS. Take this announcement out of the equation and his lack of size/tweener status, STILL makes him a 3rd or 4th round pick..

        I’m not naive enough to think it will have NO effect on his draft status. What’s going to happen is, Iike TEBOW, some teams, in certain markets won’t feel that he is worth the attention that will come with drafting this kid, and it’s sad, however owners and GMs do need to think about nthe rest of the team and be very careful choosing what distractions they allow to bring into the locker room…

        Take our JOKE of a media.could you imagine if we,draft this kid, that pathetic, worthless HACK Les Bowan would be talking about this for the next 4years…I get the freedom of speech, but I really wish teams could take away credentials from media members that spend their time and access talkng about crap that has nothing to do with football. As a crazed fan dying to get every nugget of intel about my beloved team, I have no patience for media wasting their access to ask and report non football related BS..

        It’s friggin 2014 for crying out loud…how does it even matter who some kid is attracted to? Like are we really that messed up as a society still?

  • GEAGLE

    Recycling stories again I see…

    Like I have been saying! talking about adding big NT is a waste of time. It’s not going to happen, Logan is the starter, the sooner people get on board and accept it the less they will be disappointed by this offseason roster move..

    Gotta love fans that talk about “needs” yet they can’t even identify the correct problems. like LAwlor is pointing out, the over reaction to the saints game is just silly and ignorant…

    There are some positions like OLB or safety where it’s really difficult to try and project what the eagles will do this offseason, DL is NOT one of those positions. You can’t ask for a more simple Transparent situation then the DL situation this year for us. IMO the DL situation is so Transparent that there isn’t even anything to debate

    • Token

      They should consider letting you write a guest column every week. There is nobody more in tune with what the FO is thinking. Its almost like we have a direct line to Howie himself.

      • GEAGLE

        No autographs today… Take your inferiority complex elsewhere, don’t be obsessed with another man…you don’t see me start off my morning by swinging from your nuts…my track record speaks for itself..the archives are one click away hahahahahah

        • Greg M

          Are you Mike Missanelli? Given the recent news and your comment it sure seems like it.

          • GEAGLE

            Wow..you must not think too highly of me lol. To each his own

          • Greg M

            Just saying, your implications of “obsession” and other statements remind me of those emails he wrote. Not a good look. There are ways of getting your point across without bringing that kind of stuff to the table.

        • Token

          I can say so little yet get so much in return. Thats the best part.

  • JofreyRice

    At best, Sam could end up as an Elvis Dumervil type. I’d take a shot in the 4th or 5th, see how he develops.

  • guest

    Sam is not a LB. He’s a DE. In the Eagles system, he’s basically Vinny Curry. If the Eagles draft Sam, then Curry is gone. I like Sam as a prospect, and this announcement means nothing to me (its not my business what he does in the bedroom. He can f*** horses or trees or swiss cheese for all I care…as long as he can get after the quarterback), but the fact remains that he’s not a great fit. I’d prefer Curry, who grew up an Eagles fan.

    Now, the caveat is that Curry’s only under contract for 2 more years, and then he’s likely a goner, since a 4-3 team will likely pay him more money than the Eagles can offer a reserve. If they draft Sam, they’ll have him for 4 years on the cheap.

  • Andy124

    Damn people be rude on teh webz yo.

    • GEAGLE

      Don’t be a smart Andy! Jk

      • Andy124

        You ask too much of me.

  • anon

    On another note this Jimmy Graham thing is going to be an issue for the saints. Howie should be ware lest we have similar issues in a couple of years (ertz).

    • GEAGLE

      What made you just say that? Any new intel since Drew Brees stuck his foot in his mouth?

    • peteike

      They are just going to franchise tag him anyway. Then they can work out the details/issues next off season. Just push it back a year.

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah but there is an issue over can they tag his as a TE or a WR…it’s like a 5million dollar difference

        • Tom W

          Jared Cook tried same nonsense and failed. wont get tagged as a wr plain and simple.

          • NickS1

            I don’t disagree that Graham gets tagged as a TE. However, if anyone is going to break that positional designation, it’d be Graham, I think.

          • anon

            a) Jared Cook does not equal jimmy graham (he’s the best player on that team outside of DB and is the best TE in the league outside of Gronk — who got a deal), b) Jared settled with a 2 year deal that got him more than he would have with the tag.

    • Token

      I doubt Ertz is ever at Graham level.

      • anon

        I could see him being top 5 TE (numbers being skewed by the kelly offense) but you’re right i don’t see him being as dominant as graham.

        • Token

          I dont see the athleticism to be a guy like Graham. You gotta hope he turns into a technician. Just a guy who can get open. Catch balls with bodies around him. He can be a good TE. Just dont see him as elite.

    • dislikedisqus

      A high class problem, i wouldn’t mind having

  • mtn_green

    Honestly, Kelly is a damn good coach, the players see his genius and determination, and buy in is easy.

  • NickS1

    “Don’t let the liberal meeeediia, telll youuuu, how to think and feel!!! If you got hate in your heart, let it out!”

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      upvote for clayton bigsby. always.

    • Chris

      We can’t understaaaaand you, go back to your counnnnnntry

    • RIP illa

      Thank you for that!!! Truly epic.

    • Sven

      National anthem should be ‘sang’ in English

    • Jesse Strange

      “If anyone has sex with my sister it’s gonnna be me!”