10 Super Bowl Observations With an Eagles Slant

NFL: Super Bowl XLVIII-Denver Broncos vs Seattle Seahawks

Here are 10 Super Bowl observations with an Eagles slant.

1. Let’s start with a history lesson for the young bucks in the audience. This is what the Super Bowl used to look like. From 1984 to 1996, the NFC won 13 straight titles, and only two of those games were decided by seven points or fewer. We’ve been spoiled as of late with some great Super Bowls. Five of six (prior to last night) were decided by seven points or fewer. But the Seahawks’ 43-8 pounding of the Broncos was an old-school blowout – from the botched snap/safety in the first quarter to the Gatorade dump on Pete Carroll in the fourth. Let’s hope this is the exception and not the start of a trend. With expectations high for a great game matching strength vs. strength, we were instead left with a snoozer.




2. The truth is the real Super Bowl was played two weeks ago between the Seahawks and 49ers. I maintain that if those two teams played 10 times on a neutral field, it'd be five and five. Which reminds me: Guess which division the Eagles get in 2014? That's right, it's the NFC West. Once a laughingstock, the Seahawks, Niners, Cardinals and Rams now present the toughest draw in football. But that's going to make for an entertaining 2014 season for the Birds. Chip Kelly scheming and adjusting against some of the most talented defenses in football. In case you're wondering, the Seahawks and Rams travel to the Linc, while the Eagles play at San Francisco and Arizona.

3. A couple weeks ago, we gave you a new hipster draft complaint. Brandon Graham over Earl Thomas is too mainstream. At the time, we suggested Daniel Te'o-Nesheim over NaVorro Bowman. But here's a new one: Clay Harbor over Kam Chancellor. Or Mike Kafka over Chancellor. Or Keenan Clayton over Chancellor.

OK, let's just get to the entire list of players the Eagles took ahead of Chancellor in 2010: Graham, Nate Allen, Te'o-Nesheim, Trevard Lindley, Clayton, Kafka and Harbor. A total of seven guys taken over the two-time Pro Bowl safety who had a strong case for Super Bowl MVP last night.

Chancellor had nine tackles, two pass break-ups and an interception. Linebacker Malcolm Smith ended up winning the MVP, but Chancellor set the tone early with his crushing hits and his first-quarter pick. The Seahawks' coaching staff has done a brilliant job of playing to his strengths. At 6-3 with 33-inch arms, Chancellor is truly a big person who beats up little people on a weekly basis.

4. Back in November, Eagles defensive coordinator Billy Davis was asked about his team's lack of sacks.

"I think the sack is overrated in the NFL right now," he said. "I think we make too much of it on both ends. I think the pressure a quarterback feels – we always talk about can we get the offense off-rhythm and the quarterback uncomfortable in the pocket? And I think we’re doing that. Even though the sack numbers aren’t as high as we would like… there’s pressures, there’s batted balls, there’s errant throws sometimes, just a matter of keeping the quarterback uncomfortable.

"If the sack numbers are high, that’s great. If they’re not, that’s OK, as long as he’s uncomfortable. It’s when he’s sitting back there with a real comfort, comfortable look in his eye that I get uncomfortable."

I have a feeling Davis is going to drive that point home next year and use last night's Super Bowl as an example. The box score shows just one sack for the Seahawks, but the story of the game was their ability to make Peyton Manning uncomfortable all game long. Defensive coaches often use the phrase: getting him off his spot. That just means forcing the QB to move off of his initial throwing platform. Seattle did that all game long against Manning.

5. The good news coming out of last night's game is we can retire the lazy "No mobile QB has ever won a Super Bowl" argument. To be honest, I don't even know what qualifies as a mobile QB anymore. Russell Wilson carried three times for 26 yards. But he played a typical Russell Wilson game, completing 18 of 25 passes for 206 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions, while escaping pressure whenever necessary.

Wilson was not asked to carry the Seahawks on his back, and he didn't try to do too much. He was a good fit for the way the team was set up with Seattle's strength being an elite defense and a dangerous rushing attack.

Sometimes a QB is able to perfectly execute what the coaching staff is asking of him. Wilson did that last night and for much of the season. You could certainly argue that was the case to a large extent with Nick Foles and Kelly in 2013 as well.

6. The bad news coming out of last night's game is that we are in for an offseason's worth of Manning legacy talk. And part of me gets it. After a historic regular season, he averaged just 5.7 yards per attempt and threw two interceptions on the game's biggest stage. The Broncos' first seven possessions finished in two punts, two interceptions, one fumble, a turnover on downs and a safety.

This much I'll admit: It doesn't seem right that the guy who has put together the greatest 16-year stretch of QB play we've ever seen only has one Super Bowl ring. And there's no doubt that he struggled against Seattle.

But I think we sometimes underrate how difficult it is to win a title. If Adam Vinatieri doesn't nail a couple of fourth-quarter field goals from 40+ yards, what's the conversation nowadays about Tom Brady? Would you believe that going into yesterday's game Manning actually had a better postseason passer rating than Brady for their careers?

At 37, Manning rehabbed through four neck surgeries and put together an amazing 18-game stretch. In the 19th game, he ran into an elite defensive unit and did not play well. That might not be the "hottest" take you'll hear in the coming days, but it's the truth.

7. I think Tommy Lawlor nailed this point:

Danny Kelly over at Field Gulls wrote a terrific piece on the Seahawks' defense and Carroll's philosophy leading up to yesterday's game. One of the main points was that Carroll's scheme does a brilliant job of not giving up big plays. Then again, no defensive coordinator wants to give up big plays.

But the Seahawks do an amazing job of limiting yards after the catch on underneath routes. Part of that is scheme/coaching, and part of it is personnel.

The Eagles did a poor job on in-breaking routes and underneath passes in the middle of the field in 2013. It's fine to be willing to give those up, but you have to limit the YAC damage and make offensive players pay when they make those grabs in between the numbers. That's an aspect of the defense which needs to be addressed in the coming months.

8. There will be many calls around these parts for Howie Roseman and company to follow the Seahawks' blueprint and build up a great defense.

Much easier said than done.

Thomas was a first-round pick, but look at the other players in the Seahawks' secondary. We mentioned Chancellor (a fifth-rounder) already. Richard Sherman was also a fifth-round pick. And right cornerback Byron Maxwell was a sixth-rounder. Corner Walter Thurmond was taken in the fourth round. Linebacker K.J. Wright was a fourth-rounder too.

Seattle has had six first-round picks in the last five years. Those selections have produced two starters (Thomas and offensive tackle Russell Okung). That's not a great percentage. They added key pieces through trades and free agency - Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril and Chris Clemons. And they built the era's best secondary largely on the last day of the draft.

There are different ways to build championship-caliber teams. But there's also a reason Seahawks GM John Schneider receives the praise he does. To whiff on some of those early picks and still build arguably the most talented team in football is remarkable.

9. In many ways, I am a Super Bowl Grinch. I can't stand the two-week buildup, the complaints about the halftime entertainment, the seven-hour pre-game shows, etc.

The worst part about the lead-up to the game this year was the Sherman discussion. Either you had to think he was the worst person in the world or defend him as a saint. There was no room for: "He could probably have exhibited better sportsmanship after the 49ers game, but the interview took place 30 seconds after the game ended when his emotions were high so it's not the biggest deal in the world."

I mean, if I had to hear someone quote Sherman's college GPA one more time, my head was going to explode. Have we never met someone who attended a good college, had good grades and still sometimes acted like a jerk?

Anyway, I hate that we have to wait seven months for another meaningful football game, but I'm glad much of the nonsense surrounding the Super Bowl is over.

10. And some leftovers, starting with a couple Tweets that caught my attention:

Seriously, what was with Manning's face on the sideline pre-game?

If you don't let out an Awww after that one, you have no soul.

Other notes... I'm guessing Phil Simms thought that was a bottom-five coat on Joe Namath. ...I doubt this was the intent of the trailer, but I have no interest in seeing Need For Speed, and now I miss Jesse Pinkman. ... Who's retiring early on the "safety as the first play of the game" prop bet? ... Award for most uncomfortable commercial goes to H&M and David Beckham's boxer briefs. Some of us are trying to introduce our 15-month-old daughters to the game of football here! ... "I wasn't going to pull the trigger on a Maserati, but after that commercial, it's time to get me one," said absolutely no one. ... Just when I thought we were finally getting away from baby/animal commercials, Geico had to go with a pig at the DMV bit. ... How was Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie not a part of that horrible display of tackling on Jermaine Kearse's 23-yard touchdown? ... That was as hollow a 13-catch performance (by Demaryius Thomas) as we'll see in our lifetimes. ... Good breakdown here by Matt Bowen on why the Seahawks' defense was so successful against Manning.

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  • JofreyRice

    It’s a good point by Lawlor, which is why I’m hoping they take DeMeco off the field in obvious passing situations. Malcolm Smith & Bobby Wanger both run a 4.4 40, and they play that way. DeMeco is good at separating the receiver from the ball, and disrupting routes, but he just can’t run with guys anymore.

    • anon

      Agree, but do you trust Kendricks to call / organize plays?

      • GEAGLE

        Kendricks is destined for stardom

      • JofreyRice

        If not, then let the FS do it.

        I don’t think it’d be crazy to ask Kendricks to do it, though. The guy was a second round pick, entering his third season, and second in the defense. It’s great to have DeMeco there as a mentor, but at some point, the younger guys have to start showing those leadership characteristics.

        • GEAGLE

          Time for the student to kill the master..Kendrick a smart kid, another offseason in this same scheme, and he will be fine at it….he already was practicing it last year in case Meco got hurt

    • cliff henny

      base defense was fine, need to upgrade 2nd and 3rd pass defense. i’m really thinking att-guy in 1st and christian jones in 3rd. Eagles have to get younger and faster up the middle.

      • GEAGLE

        Yup…our Base was more then fine. We were really good on the first two downs,…gotta improve Nickle, keep Cole in base one more year so the kid we draft adds weight

  • OG Droid

    After seeing their safeties last night; please for the love of god go sign byrd or ward. If
    you want to draft one too even better.

  • ohitsdom

    Kam Chancellor is so fun to watch. He should have won MVP, he set the tone and punished the Broncos. Made me miss Dawkins (although to be fair, I almost always miss Dawk when watching football).

    • GEAGLE

      Best safety in the game…I don’t even care about Earl

      • cliff henny

        he makes that defense. they can play smaller ET 25 yds downfield, and same time he allows for slightly smaller but really fast lbrs cause he’s basically a 4th lbr. like they play 4/3.5/3.5

        • GEAGLE

          Yup…Kam and Earl are perfect compliments. I hate our interchanagable safety BS

          • cliff henny

            when the interchangable parts are allen and chung…uh, yeah! hopefully that game was slap in face needed. cole and ryans can play run defense, but need speed on pass. safeties matter a freaking ton in nfl. can coach up corner and qb pressure helps. i’m almst 100% on atta-guy, landry, c jones 1-2-3 now. get byrd or ward in FA and sign some 25-26 vets cbs for depth.

          • GEAGLE

            I wouldn’t be mad at all…but I’m not ready to go all in with Attaboy. Dee ford may be the best pass rusher after Clowney
            ..
            Hate right and left safety.. I prefer the strong and the free

          • cliff henny

            i get why they want l/r, so i wont nickpick it. need to get the players. trying not to over react to SB. if denver wins, we are all talking about much different things. must admit, only 3rd game of Seattle’s i’ve watched. eagles arent going to be #1 defense, but 3 simple upgrades can get them to top10-15. eagles will be offensive heavy, i’m ok with that. pick identity of team, stick with it.

          • GEAGLE

            We already have our defensive grunts..now it’s time to add the speed, off the edge and in coverage…like I said this time last year, we already have most of our future front 7 in place

          • Richard Colton

            I wouldn’t mind another grunt or two

          • GEAGLE

            Absolutely…we are still 1DL short, and need angry OLBs

        • Coatesvillain

          I’m gonna disagree. It’s Earl’s ability to play over top that allows Kam to be who he is. Earl Thomas is the best defensive back in the league.

          • cliff henny

            i just really like Chancellor. think Geagle calling them ‘perfect compliment’ is most accurate. one allows the other to be exactly what they are. it obviously works. seeing wrs get laid out just makes me like Kam alittle more.

      • JofreyRice

        you think? I like him a lot, but I don’t think he’s as valuable to that defense as Earl Thomas. I think it’s much easier to get a robber/enforcer prowler like Chancellor than it is to get a pure centerfielder that you can trust to take care of the entire back half of a cover 3 like Thomas. And Thomas also has a good feel for coming on the blitz.

        I think the Eagles could approximate what Chancellor and Thomas do for Seattle’s D by bringing in Pollard and Byrd. Pollard’s not the player Chancellor is, but matches a lot of his strengths in run support and tackling. As a deep safety, I think Byrd/Thomas are pretty close. Byrd may actually be better.

        • GEAGLE

          I don’t disagree…it’s just a stylistic thing for me, always tried to play the game like Cam, but I’m aware of the importance of Earl and just how special he is…I just think Wolff is more Earl, Than a Cam type…I like Wolffs range, obviously it isn’t on par with Earl who is insane from sideline to sideline. But we have nothing on our team that resembles Cam…don’t know which of the two is more important, but Kam set the tone last night, with his hits, and that play were he peeled off his man to crush Welker was just something I haven’t seen in our secondary in like half a decade…..both are special safeties, who traditionally are the perfect compliments to each other..

          I understand the disguise merit of interchangeable safeties, but I will always see value in An enforcer..basically Kam made 3 good WRs play scared to death, they were Deers in headlights after Kam smacked Demaryious early on that crossing route. I have seen WR drop easy 3rd down games late in the game, after Pollard been cracking them for 3 Quarters. We need speed, but it has to also be physical. Speed is no replacement for physicality, both have it’s place in a top defense se

          • JofreyRice

            His ability to deliver huge hits definitely set a tone. He draws penalties, but I think the effect of receivers knowing he’s patrolling the middle mitigates the 15 yarder he may incur. Just excellent coaching up and down the line.

        • Andy124

          Did you mean cover 1?

          • JofreyRice

            no, they press out of cover 3, primarily.

          • Andy124

            Glad I used a question mark. :)

          • JofreyRice

            In the interest of full disclosure, I never realized it wasn’t a pure Cover 1 until I heard Greg Cosell break it down. I have a long commute, I listen to a lot of football podcasts! :)

        • GEAGLE

          As much as we talk about how bad pollard is in coverage, he is still a BIGTIME upgrade from Chung

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I can’t agree with that statement. Thank baby jeebus TEN had Verner on one side; Pollard will always have to play for a team with a superstar CB

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          I agree with your second paragraph, except I’d even take Wolff over Pollard in that role. Pollard is beyond limited, turns 30 this year, and would be an even bigger liability in coverage than Chung was. If we do bring in Byrd, let a kid grow next to him. Have another FA as the 3rd safety (Clemons, Stevie Brown) or another high draft pick like Ward or Joyner.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, I know you’re not Pollard’s biggest fan, and I do realize you watch a bit of the Ravens. Still, I think there is an important role for a player like that, even in today’s NFL. I can’t agree he’s anywhere near as bad as Patrick Chung in any category.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I don’t disagree with that statement. But we already have 1 coverage liability, if you will, in Ryans.
            So let’s say we sign Byrd or Ward. Just for 2014, would you rather:
            (1) Start Byrd/Ward and Wolff, have a high draft pick or mid-tier guy as a 3rd S, and keep Ryans and Kendricks?
            (2) Start Byrd/Pollard, (I assume) Wolff is the 3rd, draft pick at 4th? And I guess upgrade OLB and ILB?

            I get the Kam love, but he is no liability in coverage. Pollard is nowhere near his ability except in hitting power, and his mythical ability to destroy anything NE Pats-related. Since we’re not playing the AFCE next year, I just don’t see it.

          • JofreyRice

            Hmmm…can I choose (3)…Sign Pollard to a cheap deal and let the coaches pick a winner between him and Wolff?

            I guess we should see what Wolff can do. I’m just worried that Chung’s crapulence is making us overvalue Wolff.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Overvalue in what aspects?
            As an overall safety, of course. I’ll be the first to say I’m as wary of Wolff as, well, aub is of Foles. But his current strengths are very similar to Pollard’s (who has been playing 7 years longer). Wolff looked excellent last year in getting to the ball carrier (RB or WR), wrapping up while delivering power, and even had some positives in coverage and pursuit. At least compared to his college tape, he seemed to be the beneficiary of good coaching. But most of all, the game didn’t seem to be to fast for him.
            I fully expect him to at least maintain, if not improve, in the coverage-related duties of the position. But he’s already pretty physical and I’d say 10x the athlete that Pollard is. And while you say we could sign Pollard to a cheap deal, Wolff is cheaper and guaranteed longer. Pollard got 1yr/$2mil from TEN, I’d be surprised if either they don’t keep him or he doesn’t get more than $2.5/yr from another team.

          • GEAGLE

            We need 3 safeties, can’t draft them all in one year, safeties need to be signed. Byrd,Pollard,Wolff, Draft Buchanon, Chung special team leader

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            (1) Byrd/Ward
            (2) draft
            (3) wolff
            4 and 5 are draft picks, UDFA, or mid and low level FA guys like Colt or Kurt.

            Pollard has to be no part of that equation. Unless he’s playing as your #2 next to a great #1, he’s not worth it as depth or ST guy

          • GEAGLE

            Pollard is only getting a one year deal, not bad to have an angry ornery veteran back there holding young safeties accountable and showing them how to play physical….but he only makes sense if we add a stud FA safety

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I’ll agree with your last sentence.

          • GEAGLE

            Fair enough… How do you feel about your boy losing wing bowl to Maggie?

          • JofreyRice

            Overvalue in the sense of penciling him in as a starter. I mean, he was OK, not great, in his snaps this year.

            I don’t think Wolff’s anywhere close to Pollard as a stopper yet, though I agree he’s a much better athlete. PFF’s got Wolff down for 9 missed tackles against 36 made. Now, of course he’s a rookie and all that–and I agree there were some positives to take away–but I’m not sure his play alone is enough to warrant naming him a ’14 starter, except for the fact that we don’t have many better options.

          • GEAGLE

            Personally I like Wolff in the Earl role…needs to be paired with a big hitter…although Kam is no slouch in coverage, but that was developed not drafted

          • Token

            Why?

            Wolff has never shown the ability to be a good single high safety. If you want him starting, you want him paired with a coverage guy like Byrd. You ideally want Wolff more in the run support, blitzing role. The Eagles are in big trouble if Wolff is their answer at centerfield safety IMO.

            Just because you have speed doesnt make you a good coverage player. You too often take measurables as meaning a player will be good at a certain skill. Just not how it works.

          • GEAGLE

            That’s why I’m kind of thinking about Ward. The kid really got it together in coverage and had some really impressive moments like shutting down gates man to man on an island getting the PBU…I like him as a tackler, but Byrd I like as a tackler too even if he is spectacular in coverage. Wolff is versatile enough to be used however we want..but if I want to draft a HAMMER like Buchanon, then Wolff has to roam in coverage and I think he can handle it and excel

          • Token

            nm

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I’d think that, going into ’14, he’s set-up to be our #3 safety, with an outside chance to be the #2 guy. Which is ok (for me), considering he was a 5th rd pick who saw limited action in about half the games. I think we all agree Byrd is the only “guarantee” we have at a #1 guy right from the start (don’t see any rookies stepping in like Vaccaro). But in terms of the #2/3 player, I just feel a high draft pick is the better route to go than Pollard. Guess we’ll have to disagree there.
            I also think our best hope for underneath stuff (crossers and TE seams) will be better served by upgrading LB than S. A guy like KVN, Attaboy, Christian Jones, or Telvin Smith may fill that need for us. A rookie S like Ward or Poyer will fare much better by being asked to sit back on deep routes vs. a more slot-cover role.

          • GEAGLE

            Kam was a “stiff hip” “coverage liability” when he was drafted…

          • cliff henny

            #1, but also getting someone who can replace ryans on obvious passing downs. he played way too many snaps in ’13. same with cole. hope safety drops to 4th or 5th rd.

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t think Stevie brown will hit the market

          • cliff henny

            Wolff wasnt scared to lay the wood a couple times. think he might be a player. Eagles have to get Byrd/Ward to patrol back half, allow cbs to play tighter. watching cary give 12 yd cushions on 1st and 10 because he had zero trust in safeties, was infuriating. i have no idea how people saw enough out of allen to think Eagles can reach next level with him at safety.

          • JofreyRice

            From what I’ve seen of Ward, he’s a lot more like Chancellor than Thomas. I think you’d have to be sold a back-half defender was in place to bring in Ward.

          • cliff henny

            dont think eagles would want a thomas type. thomas skill levell, of course, just more rounded. wolff looked like he could do both, had some real good coverages and was a willing hitter. i sad before, he’s the poster child for having confidence in new coaches. think you and i laughed about his tape when drafted, because we had no idea what the eagles saw in him. the guy was going the wong way the whole freaking time. eagles got him pointed in right direction, his athletic ability was making plays.

  • hillbillybirdsfan

    Just when I think I’m finally over throwing up in my mouth a little about the 2010 draft, Sheil reminds me again…

  • Jerry

    Calling Richard Sherman a jerk is ridiculous. Shady may not want him but the Eagle fans would love him. That jerk may come in here and kick the Eagles ass!

    • sdk152

      I should have been more clear. I wasn’t calling Sherman a jerk. I was making the point that someone graduating from a good college with a good GPA doesn’t preclude him/her from being a jerk. I was just mocking that silly argument. -SK

  • GEAGLE

    A lot of fools who say Deonne Buchanons hips are too stiff said the same thing about Chamcellor

  • Kevin

    The bad news… we still are a ways away from competing with Seattle. We need some talent upgrades, a little speed and a little more attitude.
    The good news, we have some of the key pieces in place.
    1.) A highly energetic coach who gets his players to love and have fun in the game
    2.) A run based offense capable of explosive plays
    3.) A defensive focused on turnovers and pressures that hustles to the ball and plays hard (granted – it would be nice to see more speed and pop, but we have come along way since 2012)
    4.) A quarterback and offense that takes care of the ball.
    Glad football season 2014 is here! Now is it September yet, or at least May?

  • GEAGLE

    Eagles are going to have jean Baptiste high on their draft board, problem is so will every other team after they watched Seattles defense last night..6’2 220lb CB? Hope that kid doesn’t fly into the top two rounds

    • anon

      I thin Sheil makes a good point in his article. Seattle’s top picks generally haven’t done much. They just get size in later rounds and put them in the system. They just have a great system and good leaders in the system right now. They’ve had to buy all of their pass rushers.

      I don’t think we need studs if we have the right system + guys with size. Hopefully our secondary coach just studies tape of seattle’s DBs.

      • GEAGLE

        I prefer the strategy of HITTING on your top picks, thanks tho. Lol doubt are coaches need to study that secondary. It’s nothing exotic. Line up in single high safety and shut your man down…what’s to study?

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        ^ THIS.
        all about the system. Carroll can plug and play DBs (once they get their “skittles”, of course). They just needed an offense competent enough to go along with that D.
        Similarly, we need a top 10 D to complement our See Coast Offense moving forward.

  • GEAGLE

    Sign a top safety… Period

  • B-West

    Hater Alert… But a good way to get all those late round picks to overachieve is to litter the locker room with PEDs.

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    Looking at that secondary, it seems the only unit that Schneider has really succeeded at in his time there. And it really makes me wonder, how much of that is actually Carroll? Eerily similar to our new situation here, too.
    Schneider has missed on most #1 picks; Thomas unbelievably fell to SEA, and Okung was #6 overall (and none of the 5 in front of him are busts, save for Bradford). Sure he’s brought in some good FA, but only to help mask poor play by draft picks. Big money spent on DL and TE, Marshawn was gifted to them like Peters was to us by BUF, and of course Russell Wilson.
    But I keep feeling that secondary is just coached up. Not taking away from any guy individually, but it’s amazing how backups like Maxwell and Thurmond can step in and play so well. Every guy supports everyone else, and their skills align beautifully. Carroll has shown a tremendous ability to get them to (1) want to play, and then (2) play their best. He had some great secondaries at USC, too (with a couple of guys who flamed out in the NFL).
    Is this like Bizarro Chip Kelly and how he is on offense for us? Does Howie, like Schneider, just have to hit on “Chip guys” later in the draft and hope we can coach them up? Will Chip find that stud WR in the 6th, the next Gronk in the 5th, or even some bigger defensive guys for Azz?
    I can help but think it’s more the coaching for both teams. Makes me feel a little better about PHI moving forward, too.

    • Andy124

      Can’t wait for next year!!!

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        Yup.
        It took Carroll I think 4 years to build this defense? With literally some late round guys who had the “frame” for him? Sheesh, I’ll have the highest hopes from now on for the 6’8″ TE we draft in the 5th, any OLB that Azz likes after rd 4, and of course Kruger. And I’m sure Kelly will have Momah ready by ’15, as well as half of the Syracuse frontcourt, at WR. Savant.

        • GEAGLE

          Screw that TE..go poach Baylor basketball player Rico gathers. Wait til you see this kid move. 6’8 270lb Intense powerfoward, great hands, coordination and can Move…not an NBA prospect….get him Howie!!!

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            now you’re thinking.

          • GEAGLE

            And you know I’m high on Fiedorowicz,…wait til you see gathers dribble down court! run a fast break and dunk on defenses lol intense scary dude..basically he is already playing basketball like it’s a physical game of football

          • cliff henny

            watched some him against ok st, they had no answer for him.

          • GEAGLE

            He was straight playing like a man child against OK st

          • NickS1

            Patrick Young from Florida. 6’9″ TE? Just throw the ball up.

        • Andy124

          Momah!

          • Richard Colton

            Momah’s become the great white whale of this offense. If he ever becomes anything, I’ll eat my hat.

          • Andy124

            Momah is the Kinne of WRs for me.

          • Maggie

            Does that include the plume, Porthos? ;~P

          • Richard Colton

            We pronounce “Dumas” a little differently in Philly Maggie.

          • Maggie

            Don’t we all? I’ve met people from Philly and must say that we almost speak the same language! The Vancouver area is a great vacation destination and the hugely popular Alaska cruises start and end here, so we meet people from everywhere. France, Pennsylvania, etc.

        • Dr Rick

          I agree. The take home message for me is that it takes time to sort through players after either draft or FA and be willing to always try to improve at each position. Maybe that’s with a good first round pick or maybe it’s with late maturing players in later rounds or a great FA pick like Harvin. I just want to see improvement, good coaching, + guys wiling to really play and I think we will see improvement year after year.
          It took the Seahawks 4 years to become an overnight success.

          • GEAGLE

            If we had all Seattles defenders, our fans would just think they sucked and need to be replaced their first two years here…it takes time, which is how I was able to know we had talent, when dopes said we would be historically bad again

    • GEAGLE

      add 6’2 220lb corner Jean Baptiste, and 6’2, 220lb Buchanon at safety

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        Size isn’t everything. Because Carroll can do it doesn’t mean every team, especially ours with Chip/Davis/Lovett, can.
        For instances, for our team’s philosophy and purposes, I’d take Joyner or Jimmy Ward all day over Bucanon.
        And there are plenty of big guys anyway- SJB, Desir, Purifoy, Terrence Mitchell, McGill, Aikens. I’m not drooling over measurements.

        • GEAGLE

          Size in the secondary isn’t something we have to mimic, it’s what our coaches already believe in…I listed a few 5’10 guys..

          Joyner only makes sense if you sign Ward/Byrd IMO
          ..
          Ward I like, suspect he climbs into 25-40 range. Very nice player

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            It is not so much the player attributes I focus on, but the attitude and scheme that fit the players.
            Tommy talked a bit about it. For instance, last night, SEA played almost exclusively in the nickel and sat some starters, like Bryant and Mebane. That allowed the focus to be on 2 things- pass rush and playing behind the ball. Sound familiar? The difference is, they had fast players that swarmed to the ball (a problem we saw this year in games like KC) to prevent RAC as well as the luck/ability to not get beat by the “forgotten” component- in this case, the DEN run game. Again, sound familiar? We played this exact strategy against another great offense (NO), but could not stop their run. And unlike SEA, we weren’t gifted a safety, pick 6, and KRTD.
            Demeco and Cole can be upgraded. The young DL, now familiar with 2gap, will naturally get more rush. I don’t see our defense being that far away at all; I just give plenty of credit to Carroll who built SEA to what it is over a few years.

          • GEAGLE

            No disagreement here…Seattle certainly wasn’t able to play single high safety over night…..Chip won’t draft you if you aren’t a superior athlete, so I don’t see it as IF? I see it as when we build it…

          • Richard Colton

            Chip and Howie talk constantly about the measureables, as well as the importance of size/speed. Sure you can take the occassional shot on the exception, but you shouldn’t have a team of exceptions. The Bad News Bears is a great movie – they aren’t winning Superbowl 49 or 50.

            Something we need to lend greater weight to when we’re putting together our shopping lists for May.

          • NickS1

            Team full of exceptions…. like high-motor, fastballs? (ahem graham ahem)

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            You’re right. I didn’t mean to discount measurables in that regard; I just don’t think our current defensive “vision” is all that removed from what we saw last night (with the addition of a offensive guru). Obviously, the gap between PHI and SEA lies in the talent. But that took 4 years. I meant to say, originally, that takeaway from the SB shouldn’t be “we need only 6’0+ DBs like SEA”

          • anon

            You think Billy D is on the same coaching level as Pete Carroll?

          • Andy124

            Billy D Williams? Much better.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Don’t think I said that. I reference our defensive vision, or scheme, which is to say the system and roles asked of our players. That seems to be very close to the SEA model (whereas the discrepancy in performance is due more to the actual players).

          • anon

            Seattle’s system is s based lot on coaching. Even with the vision i don’t know if we have the coaching talent to reach that level. But maybe we don’t have to reach seattle level on D.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Read all my posts on here; I’ve said it was Carroll/coaching all along. Not sure where the misinterpretation is.
            The guru comment was in regard to Kelly/Carroll. Whereas he can make a “historic” defense, Kelly can do the same on offense. We just need a good enough defense, like they have a good enough defense.

          • anon

            Agree

      • Uncle Wonder

        After these playoffs every GM in the league is gonna start salivating over big DBs…it will be the en vogue position this offseason imo…won’t be so easy to target them even if we believe they are under the radar.

        • GEAGLE

          Yup, fortunately there will be a few to be had in the late rounds

          • Uncle Wonder

            You know what? after the way this year went for him, if Antonio Cromartie gets cut, I think he could be a target to be moved inside. He started out at safety and will be 30 this year. Think it could be that time for him. Only thing to worry about is his ability to support the run.

          • GEAGLE

            And his ability to support 15 kids :)

          • Uncle Wonder

            i see what you did there lol

          • anon

            not a terrible idea, jets will try to re-sign though.

    • JofreyRice

      eh, I think they’ve got a lot of good players. The LB’s are all homegrown. I think their receiver corps is a little underrated. The RB’s behind Lynch are pretty nice, too. They’ve missed on some first rounders, but have knocked it out of the park in the back half of the draft. Undoubtedly, the secondary is well coached, but at some point, what’s the difference if you’ve got a good coach making good players out of the kind of athletes he wants, or some “talented” player? It’s hard for me to see a line of demarcation there. For me, being able to receive and execute coaching instructions, and play within a scheme is part of a player’s talent.

      That word “talent” is so vague to me. I remember last year, some bloggers talking about how “talented” the team was, which I always sort of bristled at. At some point whatever the definition of “talent” is–which usually seems to be some estimation of raw athletic ability–has to to translate into positive plays on the field. We were told that guys like Watkins, DRC, Jarrett etc. were “talented” but didn’t see it on the field.

      Agree with your point on coaching. It’s good to have a coach to believe in. Considering the delta in production from the star players in Chip’s offense, I’m very hopeful that he can make stars the way Carroll & Schneider have.

      • Richard Colton

        Okung and Thomas are stars at #1 picks – they count as great picks as far as I’m concerned. Wagner was a 2nd rounder and Wilson a 3rd rounder – also excellent picks. Correct me if I’m wrong, 1st rounder Irvin – not a starter, but hasn’t he been very productive as a situational pass rusher? The Kipers of the world ripped that pick on draft day, but he hasn’t exactly been a “bust” has he?

        • JofreyRice

          Irvin’s not a bust at all. Productive player filling a specific role in their system. The criticism comes from guys that are looking at players from the standpoint of well-roundedness, and whatever else. They wanted a passrusher, and they grabbed one and plugged him in. When KJ Wright went down with his foot injury, they slid him back into a LB role, and he performed pretty well there, as well.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        I just felt a lot of he media, and especially Aikman, were a little disingenuous in heaping the piles of praise on Schneider. Is he really that good at talent evaluation, that he was able to get Avril to come in on lesser $? That Clemons somehow performs better in a new enviroment? The first few rounds is where you hit home runs; the last few rounds are typically those raw talents athletes you mention, who require much more work coaching to become good players. I think so many late-round guys hitting, as well as the heavy load some “low-level” FA signing have carried, is more a testament to Carroll.
        More to the point, all that said as a slight jab to some who harp on Howie for that same weakness. If he is able to bring in “fit” guys at a reasonable price, and pick out players in later rounds for Kelly to mold, is he not just as talented/capable/worthy of admiration/able to win?

        *for the record, the 2nd paragraph was not directed at you personally. I know you’ve come a long way on Howie. I just feel that Kelly, the more important component, is where our true strength lies.

        • anon

          that’s my point. PC may just be the best secondary coach ever. Those are system players but the pass rushers are talent guys b/c i don’t think that’s where their skill is in picking guys. Luckily they were able to get studs for cheap.

        • JofreyRice

          I don’t know. Maybe I put too much on the GM–which is part of the reason why I have been so critical of Howie in the past–but I’m heaping praise on Schneider, as well. A lot of it may be Carroll & the coaching, but without knowing what’s what, I think you have to tip your hat in the general direction, considering the kind of roster churn they’ve been able to accomplish.

          And I don’t think you can dismiss the Harvin move. They knew they needed a more dynamic receiving threat, made the move, and ponied up big money. After Harvin missed the season due to injury, many criticized it. He made an impact last night. Adding Avril & Bennett were very shrewd, but they weren’t blue-light specials, or anything.

    • peteike

      In an interview with Pete Carrol, he said he wanted himself and Schneider to become know as the best combination GM/Coach in the league. Almost like he wanted to set a trend, was real lovey dovey talk on how theyre thinking alike and working together made the difference. Stating it was the combination and same vision being the difference, not one guy over the other. No doubt coaching guys up is a big part of that, CK came in with that on his resume and its already paid off in one year.

  • Richard Colton

    Clay Harbor over Kam Chancellor – thanks for the AM punch in the stomach, Sheil.

    • Chris

      Every time we do one of these exercises, it kills me. I’m sure every team can do it (think of how many picks people missed on before Foles), but ouch

      • Richard Colton

        To be fair, we had already drafted Nate Allen in the 2nd round that year, so it wouldn’t have “filled a need.”

        • Chris

          Gonna tell the boss I need to go home early, feeling really sick

  • Chris

    Every fan wants to feel this way every year, but I really don’t see how this team DOESN’T improve next year. Stock seems to be rising. This is going to be a long off-season.

  • Giorgos Kassakos

    I was watching special teams last night very carefully to see what my fellow Greek guy, Chris Maragos would do. He was always close to the ball and hitting hard. He is a stud in STs. He is a free agent, would be great to see him in Eagles green over Anderson/Coleman.

  • mtn_green

    It is almost like eagles 2010 and 2011 draft failures were because of Reid’s disaster on defense. Castillo couldn’t coach em up or even have a cohesive design as to what players he wanted or how to let them understand a scheme he didn’t know himself.

    The attempt was for Washburn to create pass rush with the front four only then play two deep press man. Castillo talked about putting Nnamdi in as a safety, jack position. Woops forgot about the run. Imagine that Reid forgetting about the run game, sheesh.

    Anyway point is that eagles have a real defensive coach that loves and breathes defense and can possibly coach up these 5th rounders. Last year was not an anomaly it was a starting place.

    Seahawks are an example that you draft BPA. If broncos won would we really be talking about how you need a lucky FA QB to land in your lap?

  • GEAGLE

    Wonder why the coach of the year couldn’t get anything out of Chris Clemons when we had him?

    • Andy124

      Insufficient PEDs.

      • GEAGLE

        The are plenty of “Golds” gyms in philly :)

  • PaoliBulldog

    Big guys beat up little guys …. say Carroll & Schneider.

    • GEAGLE

      “ODOYLE RULES!!!”

  • Token

    Took this from another board. But to the people who think we cant turn the roster because we need top picks or top FAs to upgrade…..

    Defense:
    Maurice Smith – 7th round
    Kam Chancellor – 5th round
    Cliff Avril – 2013 FA (2 yrs, $15m, $4.5m guaranteed)
    Richard Sherman – 5th round
    Michael Bennett – 2013 FA (1 yr, $5m)
    Walter Thurmond – 4th round
    Byron Maxwell – 6th round
    Chris Clemons – trade (Daryl Tapp – they also got back a 4th round pick with Clemons in that deal)
    KJ Wright – 4th round

    100% about talent evaluation and coaching.

    • OldDocRoss

      Chris Clemons – trade (Daryl Tapp – they also got back a 4th round pick with Clemons in that deal)

      Man, whoever wound up on the Daryl Tapp end of that deal got fleeeeeeeeced!

      What’s that?

      Oh. Damn.

    • Maggie

      1000X upvote.

  • Andy124

    It’s a copy cat league, but the great teams seem to be the ones that do their own thing and make others want to copy them, rather than the ones that do the best job of copying others.

    We’ll still go after big DB’s because that’s our thing, not what we’re trying to mimic from Seattle. But we’re still going to try to be the best run-first, big play, offense heavy, own the “toxic-differential” team there is and that’s our path to glory.

    • anon

      But can we win with the defense that we’ll have. I think that’s the biggest point this SB raised for me.

      • Andy124

        Can we? Sure. I expect it will be better than the Rams’ super bowl D.

        Will we? Time will tell. Only requirement for winning the super bowl is to finish the game with more points than the opponent. Any “type” of team can win. Doesn’t even have to be the best team. Just the best on that day.

    • cliff henny

      yup, chip has a team identity. teams that can never stay focused, regardless of talent level, cant reach next level…cough, Dallas. my only issue is the glaring weakness at safety feels like reid and lbrs all over again. maybe they can adress it in draft, but there’s plenty of other holes that need adrressing. Eagles have cap space, solve the safety issue. if Fitzgerald was 27, i’d say throw money at him, or if orakpo was alot better, go that route.

    • Ark87

      That’s the thing, A lot has to happen to win a super bowl. There is no recipe to follow. Heck even Seattle can’t be advised to copy the 2013 Seattle Seahawks. Personnel will change, they will need to keep evolving if they wan’t to stay ahead of the game.

  • GEAGLE

    Can football players apply for testosterone replacement therapy? Lol

  • WolverDawk

    Guys, Jason Kelce started his offseason program by going adrift in the Pacific and surviving on turtles and occasionally his own urine.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/03/world/asia/marshall-islands-castaway/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

  • Maggie

    We’ve just seen a game with players who you’ve never heard of winning the Super Bowl, yet here you all are still carrying on about “bring in the 30-year-olds whose names we recognize” and give them a bunch of money. Get over the Byrd, Ward mantra. They would nor fit in Seattle’s scheme anyway. What makes you think they would fit in Kelly/Davis’ schemes either? You compliment Seattle for thinking outside the box in their drafting or in FA. Why not try it yourselves?

    • Token

      Think for a second where Seattles pass rushers came from.

      • Maggie

        That’s 4 or 5 players out of 53, not counting practice squad or suspended.

  • SoCalEaglesFan

    The fact that the Seahawks hit on a number of late round draft picks is remarkable, true. It’s also a tad lucky. I wouldn’t get too awed by that or expect it to happen for the eagles. It’s like expecting Earl Wolff to become Kam Chancellor… Which I suppose is possible, but does anyone really expect it?

  • Max Lightfoot

    I think we’re on the right track. Gamble, Roseman and Chip realize we need to build through the draft and use FA to top up the pint glass, so to speak. Andy’s (with Howie’s input, let’s face it – but Howie’s gotten much better at this, I think) awful drafts cratered this team, but two more good drafts will get us competing for a championship.

    At least we are on the way up – not scuttled and drifting downward – and that makes me a pretty damn happy Eagles fan.

    And getting a draft like Seattle’s 2010 selections wouldn’t hurt either.

  • dislikedisqus

    Hey, I really enjoyed this except for item 3 which was like twisting a knife in my ribs.

  • Sven

    I remembered Conan O’Brien’s tweet ‘If Voldemort is such a big wizard, why can’t he grow himself a nose’.
    If Seattle is so good at evaluating talent how come they keep whiffing on 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders ? I think luck played a major part for this roster to come together.

    • Maggie

      “Keep” whiffing?

  • morgan c

    Honestly this game just makes me feel we are even farther away than I had previously thought. Our defense has a LONG way to go until we can be anything close to resembling what the Seahawks displayed last night. Damn, they weren’t losing to ANYONE last night. Great offenses can be shut down, but truly great defenses just get it done in the post-season. Christ, that was a wake-up call.

  • Nick M

    Can we now draft Washington States Deon Buchanon. The knock on him is he is physical which isn’t necessary at the safety position. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The dude can hit. Looked like physical safeties helped the Seahawks last night.

  • John J. King

    This didn’t get much press but Fox got thousands of calls after the fourth quarter asking them to put on the Heidi movie.

  • PaoliBulldog

    As to point #7: not a lot of interior linebackers can fly to the ball. Kuechley?

  • ia

    What I learned from Super Bowl:
    Early turnovers kill you. Boost the opponents defense and stress your own team in bad decisions to make up for the loss.

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